Europe is angry at the US 'cos the US is going to screw us all... (864 hits)
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Submitted by thorpe87 (View user info) at 2004-11-10 06:04:40 EST
http://www.ubersite.com/m/50938
I originally submitted this as a reply to the above link, but rather than let it go to waste in there, I decided to use it for my first post (with some corrections).
There are so many stupid points in the above post that I am going to have to go throught it paragraph by paragraph. Firstly, he seems to think that European countries have had to crush their national identities in order to form the EU, and that this has made them jealous of the United States. If you look at any of the great European nationalist movements that have taken place in history (I say great meaning powerful, not necessarily good) you will see that nearly all of them wanted a united Europe - Hitler, Napoleon and Caesar's movements being the most prominent. I think it is one of the great triumphs of modern history that finally Europe has become united - peacefully. But even if they were resentful of the loss of their national identities (something which one currency and governmental policies do little to really change), this would not be any reason to call in to question America's foreign policies.
In his second paragraph he also makes the assumption that the European economy is struggling. Dipshits like him need to look beyond the statistics given out by the Fox news website and the like. Just because America has a higher GDP or higher average share price than any other country on the Earth DOES NOT MEAN IT'S ECONOMY IS IN BETTER CONDITION. Have a look at where the United States' standard of living is compared to European countries. Having a few rich cunts live in your country does not make it a successful economy. While I'm not denying that the US is successful economically, I'm saying that Europe is in far better condition. Most of their countries are owed debt, not several trillion dollars in debt. And even if they were... again, this does not give them any reason to be critical of America. The opposite is true in fact - they are critical now because they have the economic power not to rely on the US, not because of jealousy or any other simplistic reason that may have crossed your mind. Yeah, Iraq's been real successful. Rather than looking at it by numbers of soldiers who have died - still too fucking many - look at it in terms of the cost to the American taxpayer, not to mention the loss of civilian life in Iraq, and the loss of respect for America across the globe. Hmmm... is Europe critical because of an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation under a false pretense, or jealousy? That's a tough one...
He attacked Europe's moral values in the third paragraph. The arguments that followed were so pathetic they don't deserve rebuttal, but I'm going to do it anyway because I'm sick of people saying things don't reserve rebuttal and then leaving it as if though they've proved a point. The cannibal example was laughable: two sickos met on the internet and were both willing participants in eating that guy's cock. It's not as if though there was any Hannibal-style murders. But nonetheless, the authorities, and European society, tried the hardest they could to imprison this man, despite the fact that his victim was a willing participant - and they succeeded. Which you might say is a good thing, and I'd have to agree. He says "They euthanise their elderly", as if when a European reaches a certain age, there's a knock at the door and in come the authorities to euthanise them. What he should have said is that Europe PERMITS people to be euthanised IF THEY WISH. Allowing people control over their own lives is hardly an immoral stance in my opinion, or in any sane person's. He also criticises Europe's foreign policy, and I am not going to defend that, but his point in doing so is that this is why the Europeans hate the Americans, because of America's comparatively highly ethical foreign policies. There is not enough space on this server to list the amount of atrocities permitted by the United States in the last half-century, so I am not going to try. His point about Sudan is valid, but let me remind you that it is the EU who have been the only world power pushing for military intervention in Sudan since the genocide started. His point about Muslim ghettos was so ridiculously stupid that all I am gonna do is agree with him and point out the fact that America is completely ghetto-free, and that American oil companies are extremely conscientious and moral (SARCASM FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH AN IQ LESS THAN THE AMOUNT OF AMERICAN FLAGS IN YOUR CUPBOARD).
His last paragraph classified Europe alongside Bin Laden for their media's supposed anti-semitism. I cannot say this enough: BEING ANTI-ISRAEL DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN ANTI-SEMITIC. Nor does being anti-Zionist. Israel was a state established on the basis of an ancient religion, established on the ground owned by people who did not share those views about the history of their land. Europe's press does not hate America because it is anti-semitic: it hates America because America is the most oppressive superpower the world has ever seen. He also seems to forget that Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize along with the Israeli leader of the time, Shimon Peres, both of who were fully deserving of the award at the time. Arafat maybe not so much now, but now he's dying. He was treated in a French hospital. OOOHHH!!!! CONSPIRACY!!!!
Yeah this sounds way too vilifying of the guy who wrote the original stuff... but keep in mind this was originally posted as a reply.
I wish I had a picture.
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Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2004-11-11 09:05:09 EST (#)
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Well, this was better.
Submitted by thorpe87 (user info) at 2004-11-11 08:28:12 EST (#)
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Yeah I know... it's not really meant to be new information, but common sense.
Submitted by Quasiplasmohedron (user info) at 2004-11-11 02:53:35 EST (#)
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Not exactly new information...... but +2 for this line:
SARCASM FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH AN IQ LESS THAN THE AMOUNT OF AMERICAN FLAGS IN YOUR CUPBOARD
Submitted by thorpe87 (user info) at 2004-11-11 01:10:38 EST (#)
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Anyway, my review was longer than the original post I'm rebutting, so I wasn't gonna let it go to waste as a review.
Juvenile whore hahahaha I'm not going to argue with that either
Submitted by thorpe87 (user info) at 2004-11-11 01:07:40 EST (#)
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Oi smoky - I said at the top of the page that it was just the reply I'd already put up. Of course I copy and pasted: it fucking says so. As for the other -2, I've forgotten what it was for, but I'm sure you deserved it.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-11 01:06:54 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-11-11 00:31:52 EST (#)
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i was actually talking about a different -2 he gave me. I am surprised you hate me without knowing me. I do not share your homosexual crush on David Beckham, but I probably like quite a few of the same bands, and I share a dislike for the french, and I love page 6.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-11-11 00:28:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-11-11 00:18:42 (#)
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you are a juvenile whore who cannot be bothered to even comment on why you disagree with me. I thought you had something interesting to say, but you did not even write a post, you just cut and pasted your comment. You have not attempted to take a position because you do not want to debate, which I think shows some wisdom given that you would be eviscerated.
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I know Thorpe well, and the reason he copied and pasted his review cause he had not registered to post when he wrote the review but felt like serving Donne Fan's arse on a silver platter anyway. And what the fuck do you mean no position?! His position, from what i can tell is that people like you are dickwanks.
As for the "he is a juvenile whore" comment; i can't argue with that.
Anyway, I'm +2ing this mainly cause I hate you
Submitted by 10c7c (user info) at 2004-11-11 00:25:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by thorpe87 (user info) at 2004-11-10 18:31:13 (#)
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Yeah, maybe they are not intending to be the MOST oppressive... but in this day and age with more economic power and a more advanced military they are doing a lot more damage than colonial England ever could...
your a retard, you have to be
colonial england is the most evil power the world has ever or will ever see
colonial england started america. america is a RESULT of colonialism
Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-11-11 00:18:42 EST (#)
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you are a juvenile whore who cannot be bothered to even comment on why you disagree with me. I thought you had something interesting to say, but you did not even write a post, you just cut and pasted your comment. You have not attempted to take a position because you do not want to debate, which I think shows some wisdom given that you would be eviscerated.
Submitted by thorpe87 (user info) at 2004-11-10 18:31:13 EST (#)
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Yeah, maybe they are not intending to be the MOST oppressive... but in this day and age with more economic power and a more advanced military they are doing a lot more damage than colonial England ever could...
Stabkill. If I'm wrong, give me a reason why I'm wrong. If you prove it, I'll change my views. Give some evidence for what you're saying, which is what I've tried to do.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-11-10 13:31:40 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-11-10 11:31:12 EST (#)
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"America is the most oppressive superpower the world has ever seen"
England anyone?
Still +2 because smoky is a retard.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-11-10 09:44:43 EST (#)
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You are so wrong it isn't even funny. What the fuck made you this stupid?
Submitted by runninginplace (user info) at 2004-11-10 09:20:03 EST (#)
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not bad, not 100% accurate in my opinion, but still decent in the context of the other "post"
Submitted by Feijuada (user info) at 2004-11-10 08:22:32 EST (#)
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Well, good thing I am an American. Oh, and I didn't read this, but the title sounds good for Americans.
Submitted by FuckTheArmy (user info) at 2004-11-10 08:17:15 EST (#)
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Automatic +2 for exercising freedom of speech while we still have it.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2004-11-10 07:29:29 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Jesus_Loves_TwEE (user info) at 2004-11-10 07:16:35 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:51:20 EST (#)
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having said that, Britain is a lot seperate from the EU in terms of currency, central bank, freedom of movement, employment regulations.
Basically you can pick and choose to observe whichever laws you want if you have a veto which of course we have.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:46:09 EST (#)
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The European Union has endorsed the outline of a new and more assertive foreign policy doctrine for the enlarged EU of 25, which will come into being next year.
The EU's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, wants global security threats to be tackled by what he calls "pre-emptive engagement" backed by increased military capabilities.""""
which he WANTS. Not meant to be. WANTS.
This was vetoed by Britain, France and Spain.
Submitted by thorpe87 (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:37:18 EST (#)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3007538.stm
It isn't united but it's meant to be
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:32:05 EST (#)
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no european foreign policy is united, that and the military are the two singularly seperate policies.
Britain is involved in Iraq, France isn't for example.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:27:17 EST (#)
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hahahaha.. I read this and thought "Fuck this sounds like Thorpe's bitching".. then i read who posted it..
Bravo my friend. Plus 2 for you
Submitted by thorpe87 (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:17:22 EST (#)
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It wasn't me who originally grouped Europe like that... but in many ways they are becoming much more like one nation. A lot of policies are being implemented no continent-wide, especially foreign policies which is what this is really about. Some are breaking ranks on Iraq though.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:11:04 EST (#)
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you cannot say 'europe' as if it is one nation, it quite clearly isn't.
France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Britain clearly have different cultures and different opinions on almost anything.
It is not a federal state nor will it ever be.
It is a common market with common trading rules primarily.
Submitted by thorpe87 (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:06:54 EST (#)
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ohhhh....
I'm truly deeply hurt.
Submitted by 10c7c (user info) at 2004-11-10 06:06:10 EST (#)
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+2 for your response, and this post
-10 billion cause your name is 'thorpe'