fuckin bitch of a manager. (3432 hits)
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Submitted by <manish_18.at.yahoo.com> (View user info) at 2003-02-13 17:49:31 EST
I am 23.
so I go to gym at work at usual everyday w/ my buddy we have gym at work. sweet ain't it)... and I am pretty fuckin friendly with most of the managers because they are nice.. So recently we have 2 new mangers. one bitch and one guy (guy is my new manager, little uptight and hard working.. good over all) so this bitch manager I do talk to sometime and I was talking to her last time and she like ohh u just came back from working out because I had my gym cloths with me.
And I was 'you gotta look good naked' jokingly. and she like "ya I work out too in the morning at home"..(she like 40 w/ a fuckin big car tire around her belly. not like I would touch her ever) bla bla and i was like "ohh that's why you in such a good mood all the time.." because u know if exercise u feel good most of the time.
SO THIF FUCKIN whore felt uncomfortable for some fuckin bizarre reason and goes and complains to my manager because "she felt uncomfortable".. WHY??? Because she fuckin has no self confident or just fuckin hates her self. (Whore even had a book called "how to manage ppl" in her office).. Because of my good look naked comment.. JESUS FUCK.. why are ppl such loser and can't take little comment like that.
WHORE.. WELCOME TO FUCKIN work... and I thought I was doing a good job.. It's a not totally a big deal because my manger is cool but it just blows.. FUCKIN WHORE>> RUFJISDFJKLSJDKLFKLSDFJKLFKLJSFKL LFUCKIHNJ WHORE.
god
I feel that I should write sorry note to her but WHY? wtf.. I am not gonna do that.
Anyway my manger calls me in..tells me how our company is about sexual harassment garbage and I am like I am sorry. I didn't' mean to make her unfuckincomfortable..
FUCKEM ALL... I am playing poker tonight.. fuck this shit
User Reviews
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-06-01 14:29:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
And his first post, no less
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-06-01 14:29:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
How someone manages to get this many reviews in 2003 is beyond me
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2004-03-24 13:15:31 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
My advice would be to quit your job and sign up to a basic course in English.
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2004-03-12 21:06:18 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I hate bitches like that.
Submitted by shortgerbal at 2003-03-26 10:14:00 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
you cuss too much and it was just stupid, but eh... that happens
Submitted by smeggs at 2003-03-08 07:29:57 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Lk at mees I rights reelz goodz. I'se be what they callz learned.
Stop shrtn thm wrds u dumb bitch. And IT ISN'T MORE MEANINGFUL TO WRITE IN CAPS, duh.
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-20 14:00:36 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
loren1,
That's a sweet post that you created. I like it!
This website has to matter a little bit for you to go out and create that sweet post for me.
sky and loran1.. u ladies are too sweet. stop being so nice. anger manager is def needed for me.
by the way do you ladies do anal?
~~~~Indian Ocean~~~~~
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-20 13:51:55 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
hmmm.
Previously, I thought that IndianOcean should be spoken to by a supervisor about his words. But now after that last incredibly awful post, I hope he gets fired, commits some awful crime, and is jailed so that he can be ass-raped daily. Also, denied computer access so that he stops posting on ubersite. Wonderful ending really, women have one less misogynistic, anger management needing, 23-year-old pimple faced moron. :)
yay!
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-20 13:28:46 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"doesn't matter too much"
You're wrong there IndianAsshole, so allow me correct you:
It doesn't matter AT ALL. Especially in your case you pathetic mailroom pee-on.
And don't you worry yourself. I get plenty of grade A fucking. I'm in damned fine shape for someone who doesn't go to the gym, and there's a very good explaination for that.
It's in my experience that when someone suggests that another needs fucking, it really means that they themselves are in need of a good slamming. In your case, you may learn a little respect by offering your fat ass up to a good hard cock. Then you'll be the one saying "DAMN, that felt good."
God you are such a closet homosexual, maybe that's where your animosity toward women is rooted.
Think about it.
Loren
PS - I created a post in your honor. So don't say I never did anything for you.
http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/message_get.cgi?message=1045765518522425768
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-20 13:26:07 EST (#)
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please ignore my comments about loren1. i lost it for a second.
Sorry
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-20 12:44:29 EST (#)
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loren1,
listen little cunt, what you require is a good fucking, it's obvious that your man (one unlucky assmother fucker) ain't doing a proper job. If u were getting some good fuckin loren than you wouldn't be so bitchy all the time (who the fucks know right... u might actually be a decent person in real life.. but odds are you are just a little bitch)
"God DAMN that felt good." what felt good.. writing some stupid shit on the website that doesn't matter too much. great! I am glad that you felt good. Now go fuck off and stop writing on my fuckin post.
~~~Indian Ocean~~~~
Submitted by _JP (user info) at 2003-02-20 11:35:48 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
wait, is catscradle male or female? I think I missed something.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-20 10:52:22 EST (#)
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"and loran1 (you pretty much have no logic in stuff that you write in your post) so please stop." -
I have no logic? In stuff? Why the parenthesis???
HAHAHA, my god. Cat? Do you see who you agreed with here?? What, are you in a charitable mood this week?
IndianOcean - you can't even write. I only thank god I never have to hear you speak, because I am sure it would take all the restraint I possess to keep from wrapping layer after layer of duct tape around your face.
"i like cat" - OF COURSE YOU DO! She's the only one who semi-agreed with one or two of your points.
Sky - you're so right! IndianOcean finds one self-proclaimed "unbiased" person's opinion - ("inexperienced/uninformed" opinion really being the case, and he'd see that if he read all the posts) and he latches on. It figures he likes what cat has to say, he's a pussy.
There you go I.O. - cat's 2-point list of options toward inappropriate work etiquette has successfully given you all the ammo you need to rationalize the fact that you're a total jackass.
Thank you for learning NOTHING from the honest debate that took place here other than knowing you need your little hurt ego stroked, and good luck advancing beyond the mail room, you're going to need it.
Loren
God DAMN that felt good.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-20 10:10:11 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Funny when someone comes to ubersite or another forum not asking for advice or opinions but only looking for people to reaffirm what he already thinks. It looked as though you experienced some growth, but again you seem to have no ability to try to look at things from her perspective. Oh well. And just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that they have 'no logic' or that they're a bitch.
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-19 16:27:43 EST (#)
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Hairsphincter. I'll say sorry if somebody deserves a sorry. This bitch manager does not. it's not like i have not thought about saying sorry to this little girl. i have and i decided that i am won't because i am not really sorry.(specially not after the little girl went and bitched about it to my manager) i am certainly not embarrassed (most ppl who would hear this would be like "ummm so what's the big deal".. it was a fuckin joke not meant to be harrasement)
Sure.. i have learned my lesson of not talking to losers at work. All i was simply doing was making a convo (if i was really brown nosing i would of said sorry to the little girl).
Read my post on the bottom, I would of say sorry to the little girl if she had little brain to either do two things like Catscradle has been saying all along.
1. tell me right there and than, that i hurt her little feeling (i would of said "sorry, didn't mean to hurt your feeling")
2. stop talking to me (i would of gotten the hint)
and loran1 (you pretty much have no logic in stuff that you write in your post) so please stop.
i like cat
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-19 09:38:33 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Sky - Catscradle is in college. Very good call. AMAZING how someone who has ZERO experience when it comes to this has SO much to say.
CatsC - Sky is right, copy and paste this post into a format you can save and file away, work in a professional environment(s) for 15 years, then read what you wrote, and enjoy choking on your words. At the very least, my call is that you'll be more than a little embarrassed.
You have no leg to stand on when it comes to this, now I understand why you "dug up the dog shit" (you're probably talking about Mom and Dad's neighbors anyway) - you didn't have anything else to work with.
And -- if you think the 2 stories I told about being harassed at work are it, I've got at least a half dozen more... and I never had anyone fired. Always tried to take care of it myself. So - ? I'm fucking tired of it. Tell me where it's gotten me? if you don't like the fact that I will report someone directly if it EVER happens again, you are more than welcome to try to make every blood vessel in my body explode.
? - I think this post has stayed remarkably on target with the original subject matter compare to others I've read.
JP- thanks for the re-cap. Nice to see that a man listens, you're a catch. :-)
One more comment - Random Joe, whoever you are, you're a coward and you're an idiot, did your little dick get plump when you were insulting us "bitches?" Loser.
Loren
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-19 09:14:32 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Catscradle,
This wasn't a comparison "analogy" - as a matter of fact, it wansn't an anaology at all. It is a true story. I told you I "could" make a 100 stupid analogies like the neighborhood one. Which again, has NOTHING to do with the workplace.
Incase you need a refresher:
(You claim my analogy is false,
A. your analogy is false because what happened to you and what happened to the girl in the story are COMPLETELY different. No where in his story is the guy following the girl around and screaming at her. Sorry, but your analogy reeks.)
Loren
Submitted by JARHOLE <ssx_appeal.at.hotmail.com> at 2003-02-19 01:19:41 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
seriously i dont see u fuckers problem hes jsut trying to make convo and besides its not his fault that bitch can keep her figure
fuck her she can go back to doughnut eating fat bitch
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2003-02-18 23:28:39 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Razor - funny where it led, isn't it? Snowballs from one guy going off the handle because he was caught out, hence embarrassed, then decides to rant. His incendiary remarks and complete refusal to admit that he may be wrong cause the he/she debate.
What do you think would have happened if he ended the original post with:
"So after I realised I had just made a mistake, I decided to learn from it, let my balls drop, swallow a little bit of pride and admit that I am not perfect and made an error.
I went to the offices of all concerned, and sheepishly apologised for being inappropriate.
To the woman I offended, I admitted that although I meant nothing negative at the time, I understand that people often feel different to thoughts and comments than I, and I will endeavour not to behave inappropriately in the workplace again.
I apologised again for making her feel uncomfortable and passed her a note expressing my regret.
I also let her know that I would be appreciative if, in future, I do make an misspeak, that it be brought to my attention straight away so that the process does not need to be drawn out in an unnecessary manner.
I also decided that "RUFJISDFJKLSJDKLFKLSDFJKLFKLJSFKL LFUCKIHNJ" is not an appropriate adjective for whore.
Submitted by _JP (user info) at 2003-02-18 23:05:39 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I got you Razor,
Original posts: I said something {stupid} to a manager at work about my nudity and she reported me.
First series of posts:
Guys: Women are crazy. They can't handle themselves at work. Most sexual harassment cases are bullshit.
Women: Yall guys are wrong. Yall guys are insensitive.
Second series of posts:
Catscradle: That manager chick was a bitch. She's totally unreasonable.
Sky & Loren: She was the victim. She's not crazy.
Third series of posts:
Catscradle: Sky is wrong.
Sky: Catscradle is wrong.
Some cat's main points: She didn't tell him she was offended. It was wrong for her to report him without giving him a chance to correct himself. She should have told him. Also she continued the conversation. She should have stopped the conversation. Non-work related conversation takes a non-professional tone (see sky's professionalism point).
Some of sky's main points: She didn't continue the conversation; she redirected it down a more appropriate path. He should have been professional; that wasn't appropriate for work. He should have never said it.
Cats made an analogy about your dog shitting in the neighbor's garden and he doesn't tell you. After a few times the neighborhood council tries to kick you out, but you were never told about the problem. Sky said that was different and didn't prove anything.
Somewhere in there, Loren said she was sexually harassed and damn near stalked by a guy at an old job. She reported it and nothing happened.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2003-02-18 19:02:45 EST (#)
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Jesus... I remember this post having like 6 responses... I come back a couple days after being snowed in by a blizzard and it's got 115 posts! wtf can someone summarize?
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 17:05:20 EST (#)
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No, I'm done posting here..
There is nothing more to say from my standpoint. Whoever Random Joe is can get bent.
I, for one, am done.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 17:00:32 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
funny, you post about as often as catscradle. or maybe the person at the computer next to him in the lab. maybe I should log in as 'random joe' and really make some nasty comments too!
Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-02-18 16:56:45 EST (#)
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o yeah, and "sky" is a great identity. if it stands for "Stupid Kunt? Yes" then its a perfect identity. wake up sky whore, this is the internet, there are no identities.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 16:55:14 EST (#)
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i didn't mean any parallel between bronx teenager and college....i realized that may have been offensive...didn't mean to make any kind of racial parallel there at all....i see where that may have been offensive...oops!
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 16:52:50 EST (#)
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hehehehe I really am hurt by the comments from someone that can't even identify themselves.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-02-18 16:49:37 EST (#)
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i think censorship is shitty, but sometimes i read shit like what sky has to say and i wish it were reality, i wish some people werent allowed to talk. j/k, censorship sucks, but sky, you are definitly an idiotic bitch
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 16:43:12 EST (#)
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hehehehehehehehe a great end to a great day. you say potato, i say potatoe. I still think your personal life experience affects how much input or knowledge you really have on a subject. Do I talk about my experience as a black teenager in the bronx...no...because I'm not a black teenager in the bronx. I work in an office. I graduated from college. Boy is it different now from what it was in college. Whoa! that was an analogy, you know, same but different.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-02-18 16:37:57 EST (#)
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whoa..bitch alert code red.. shut ur trap sky
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 16:36:40 EST (#)
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sky,
I dodged the issue with me being in college, absolutely. Why? Because it's an ad hominem attack. It has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Analogies are all about similarities of RELATIONSHIPS. I have attempted to avoid being personal, but frankly, you're a stupid piece of shit. The parallels in my analogy are about a similar relationship between the different elements. If you can't see that, or continue to whine about where you think I am in life, I see no reason to respond any further..
Again, if you 'skip over' most of what I write.. how can you in any way judge what I say to be retarded or not?
As far as regards her continuing the conversation, in your reply, you included a quote of that then asked me if I was the arbiter of that.
And here, I wrote your reply to what I just said for you (aren't I sweet):
<Catscradle,
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, you are so insistent on being a retard. I would offer reasons for what I say, but hey I just skip over everything you read anyway so it's a little heard. Regardless, you're only in college, judging by something, and so you're a stupid shit. You're analogy sucks. ROFLMAO.>
Hope I saved you some time sky.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 16:16:22 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
catscradle....responding cause you're especially vocal about being a retard on this subject matter, and when someone's being especially dumb, it's so much more fun to talk to them. (please see ameera and 'why people dig their own holes')
at no point did i say she did not continue the conversation. I said she manoevered it attempted to change to less subject matter.
you also dodged my whole issue with you...you're in college, you have no clue what a full time office job with responsibilities and priorities means. your analogy is still shit. please study persuasive argument a little more and set up clear, well supported arguments, and learn that analogies unless truly parallel are irrelevant. oh, and "Different, yes, but they are BOTH offensive and thus the analogy is still true." for your information, "it's the same, but different" will never convince anyone. rotflmao.
please, rant on, tell me why you're informed as to the workings of a professional business (from your vast life experience at the age of 19 or 20). Or tell me your analogy is still right...It's the same but different, right?
Submitted by hmm at 2003-02-18 16:14:54 EST (#)
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man you guys talk a lot.
this has been carried too far away from the original post, have to agree with kittens cradle here.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 16:11:28 EST (#)
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Also,
There is no need for an arbiter/judge/neutral standpoint on whether or not the girl continued the conversation. If you are going to tell me she didn't continue the conversation, you are free to do so. The arbiter bit is in regards to WHAT'S offensive. Not as to WHAT happened. When discussing WHAT happened, not WHAT'S offensive, the only thing we have to go on is what the author of the post said happened. If you are going to seriously tell me that she did not continue the conversation, then your statements lose any semblance of validity they may have once had.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 16:06:50 EST (#)
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People can control their dog just like they can control their mouth. How do you control a dog? You keep him/her on a leash. Shitting on flowers/Inappropriate Comments - Different, yes, but they are BOTH offensive and thus the analogy is still true.
<I don't know your story catscradle, because for the most part I skip over what you have to say and read the viewpoints of the people I think actually have something intuitive to offer. >
Why do you reply to me, if you don't even read what I say?
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:54:12 EST (#)
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oh and regarding the analogy...
comments directly from someone's mouth are very different from an indirect and semi-uncontrollable shitting dog. Not a good analogy.
Do they teach you seeing things from different perspectives in college?
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:51:14 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
In the spirit of ubersite, ending my quote with a partial insult seemed appropriate. I didn't think your analogy was relevant enough to address....again that's a different situation as Loren aptly pointed out. Plus I thought the retard bit was funny. I'm here out of amusement, first and foremost.
"This woman did not maneuver, this woman continued the conversation.. that's the long and short of it." OH, "Who is the ultimate arbiter of what has to do with what? ".... if no one is the ultimate arbiter, then how can you claim the long and short of it for yourself??
I don't know your story catscradle, because for the most part I skip over what you have to say and read the viewpoints of the people I think actually have something intuitive to offer. I get the impression from your analogy that you don't work in an office like the one we're talking about. I think you're in college, so in other words, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. An 'unbiased' perspective is not equal to an 'uninformed' one.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:49:04 EST (#)
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Loren,
<I remember once I ignored a guy while walking home from work, and he followed me and screamed into the back of my head "what?! you too good to talk to me bitch?" cc - you make it all sound so simple. Unfortunately, it's not. And THAT is why these laws are in place. Maybe one day they'll be there for you, you can only hope that won't be necessary. >
You claim my analogy is false,
A. your analogy is false because what happened to you and what happened to the girl in the story are COMPLETELY different. No where in his story is the guy following the girl around and screaming at her. Sorry, but your analogy reeks.
B. My story and the story at hand are related and thus good analogies. Yes, they involve different specifcs but the RELATIONSHIP remains the same. The *one* neighbor has committed a crime (dog shitting on flowers) he is not aware of and is punished (asked to move) for it, while the other neighbor never mentioned it while continuing to talk to him. In the story, the man has committed a crime (making the comments) he is not aware of (note his bewilderment at being accused of sexual harassment) and is punished (meeting with his boss) for it, while the woman never mentioned it while continuing to talk to him (continuing the conversation). How is that not correct?
And I pose the question again, was it fair what happened to the neighbor?
If it sounds as if I am discounting all charges of sexual harassment, then I'm sorry. I am not in any way intending to do so. My comments are for this situation, and my advice is for offended women in general. If, Loren, you are followed and screamed at then by all means go to the guy's superior. But, if you are in a simple conversation like the one involved here, I mean.. come on.. see what I'm saying?
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:43:18 EST (#)
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sky -
good point, she DID re-route the conversation to a non-sexual, NON-naked topic right away. This guy is just like ALL the rest of ALL the men. Dumb as a stump. hahaha. Christ, I'm just kidding. I'm really leaving now. Ubersite is WAY too politically correct for me today.
L
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:40:19 EST (#)
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This woman did not maneuver, this woman continued the conversation.. that's the long and short of it. This woman did not explain how her feelings were affected or what not. Again, if you think there is a completely neutral judge of what's offensive and what's not then kindly propose the person you have in mind. Can you?
And again, look at the hypothetical story below. OR did you miss THAT point entirely? You and I talk civil every day - you do something to me - I never mention it - then I have something done to you when you don't know you've done something wrong. Is that fair? Yes, or no, simple question.
As for relevance, calling someone 'retarded' has no pertinence to the matter either. If you're going to accuse someone of something, it's often wise to make sure you don't do the same thing.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:40:00 EST (#)
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Thank you for these 2 clear choices.
"A. Discontinue the conversation, or
B. Make it clear to the guy that you've been offended."
I think there is some glue-sniffing going on at your place today CC.
I remember once I ignored a guy while walking home from work, and he followed me and screamed into the back of my head "what?! you too good to talk to me bitch?" cc - you make it all sound so simple. Unfortunately, it's not. And THAT is why these laws are in place. Maybe one day they'll be there for you, you can only hope that won't be necessary.
ALSO - we aren't talking about problems between neighbors. It has NOTHING to do w/the work place, so if you want to spend your time making analogies - I can rise to the challenge and do my best to completely contradict them. But I'm going home in a half hour, and that is a much more attractive option. Not to worry, I'll check back tomorrow.
Take it easy yourself, cc.
Loren
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:35:29 EST (#)
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to clarify ---- this woman could have told him the comments bothered her... but she still had a right to approach another supervisor. When he made the 'look good naked' comment, she appeared to try to maneouver the conversation away from naked bodies and more to working out (VERY different), and again he made a comment with suggestive undertones.....(that's why you feel good all the time) or something like that.
I think you missed the point catscradle. I was dissecting your argument on some very poorly chosen words...i.e. 'non-work tone'....um, okay, let me take off my work face ... and 'discussion about the human body' ...neither of those things (and probably many others you've mentioned) really had any relevance. It's okay to be partially retarded. A lot of people will still accept you for that.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:26:51 EST (#)
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Watch it Loren, you'll get an ulcer..
bwaha
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:25:59 EST (#)
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*you and I...
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:25:42 EST (#)
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catscradle -
come on, seriously, do I have to write a disclaimer w/every post now to say I don't mean "ALL?" I never said ALL men. I just said men. And it really really really should go w/o saying. If I constantly wrote that there are exceptions to my "rule", it would not only be redundant and annoying, it would be an insult to everyone's intelligence.
I'm not BiggJennKissEveryone'sAss.
I'll announce it now, for everyone:
If I ever want to make a blanket statement about anything, I shall promise to actually write out that I mean to do it.
Example: 100% of the men that I have have dated have pissed me off at one point or another to the point that I could see how someone could get pleasure out of jamming a red-hot poker in someone else's eye.
Otherwise, have it be known from this post forward... I, Loren, am very aware that there are exceptions to any and all of my "rules" - maybe even more than not, but I doubt it, or I wouldn't be barking and growling about it to begin with.
Peace/love/redhotpokers...etc.
Loren
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:25:12 EST (#)
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Sky,
As Yidele says, there's no objective point of view. Who is the ultimate arbiter of what has to do with what? Who is ultimately unbiased by their combination of chromosomes? Me? You? Loren? The guy who wrote the post? Some asexual creature that doesn't exist?..?.. No one.
So, women, if you get offended, either:
A. Discontinue the conversation, or
B. Make it clear to the guy that you've been offended.
Suppose you and live next to each other. You and I talk for 20 minutes each day. Every day, without fault. So, one day, your dog takes a shit on my flower bed. I talk to you that day, but I don't mention the shit on my flowers. It happens again the next day, and it pisses me off, but I still don't say anything when I talk to you that day. It happens yet again, and when you come home from work, you first talk to me for 20 minutes, everything goes swell in our conversation, then ya walk up your steps and see that the neighborhood association is asking you to move immediately because your dog took a shit on my flower bed. And I never even mentioned the problem to you, despite our talknig every day. Would that be fucked up?
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:22:20 EST (#)
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"If you're going to start a non-work subject, expect it to take non-work tone."
um, catscradle, where do you work???
Of course a 'non-work tone' is acceptable in a CD store with teenage workers or amongst construction workers, yadda yadda...but in the kind of setting that the author of the post was in, it was not acceptable or appropriate.... I think the problem with this poster is that he is fresh out of college and hasn't had enough professional experience to understand how these comments ARE offensive to a professional colleague. If he worked with the meatcakes at the gym it would be different, but not at an office where your manager is likely a few decades your senior.
Or maybe not...I think I'll go tell my boss right now about my boyfriend banging my head up against the baseboard last night using as much profanity and graphic gestures as possible. I mean, I'm talking about a 'non-work subject', I might as well use a 'non-work tone'.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:11:39 EST (#)
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I think there's a difference between a 'discussion about the human body' and talking about going to the gym. There's also a difference between saying "Working out gives me energy/keeps me in shape, etc" and "you gotta look good naked"...there's also a difference between having a conversation about the gym and loading something with sexual comments.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:08:51 EST (#)
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Yidele,
An objective point of view is not the issue here. The issue here, is how the woman handled the situation.
A. she brought working out up
B. She continued having the conversation after the offending remarks.
According to the facts of the story, and we must assume that the particulars of the story are true if we are to have any reasonable discussion at all, this woman is wrong in claiming any sort of sexual harassment.
That's the long and short of it.
Your views on what should or should not be discussed in the officeplace are of no consequence, and neither are mine. Because as you said, there is no objective point of view. All perspectives are tainted. However, in this particular situation, the man did not get a fair shake.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 15:03:07 EST (#)
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Loren,
Again, the situations are different and parallels cannot be drawn. You cannot say that *All men* need to be exposed to a treatment, just like you cannot say all women are feminist bitches. You cannot say *all* men are chauvinist shitheads just like you cannot say all black people are racist shitheads. The woman's actions in *this* situation are unjustified.
-She starts discussing a subject about the human body, a subject which is completely irrelevant to the workplace. A subject which was about as irrelevant as sexual comments.
-The guy responded as such, talking further about the human body, making a comment which was as irrelevant to the workplace as the woman's original comment. The woman then got offended (presumably), but, instead of *saying* something about being offended or *Discontinuing* the conversation, she CONTINUED to have the conversation. Then, behind the guy's back, reported him.
Women find comments about what their clothing to be offensive - however, if you LOOK at the POST, you'll see that the woman's comments stemmed from not his CLOTHING. If you're going to start a non-work subject, expect it to take non-work tone.
And if the comments are so *OFFENSIVE*, DISCONTINUE the conversation, or make your feelings CLEAR at that point.
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-18 14:47:43 EST (#)
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So you are into multiples !!
(I am joking too :)
Submitted by _JP (user info) at 2003-02-18 14:40:18 EST (#)
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She can come too ;-)
Ok before I get in trouble, I AM JOKING!!!
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-18 14:34:37 EST (#)
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JP - If you are offering your body in exchange for a place to stay...
Of course I would only use you for your snow shoveling ability :)
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 14:04:41 EST (#)
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JP, I'd offer, but I have to assume your woman wouldn't be too crazy about the idea. :-) Loren
Submitted by _JP (user info) at 2003-02-18 14:02:33 EST (#)
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I from New Orleans. It has snowed here twice in my lifetime (22 years), and both times it was in the middle of the night and less than a couple of inches. So I have no concept of what yall are talking about.
I would like to go up north one winter and see real snow. Can I stay with anyone here? ;-)
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-18 12:36:14 EST (#)
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Talk about blue balls !!
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-18 12:31:13 EST (#)
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So Loren,
I already gave you the measurements relevant to shoveling snow. So what are you looking for? Hmmm.... I suppose I should inform you that I didn't actually have a shovel...
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-18 12:27:42 EST (#)
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Loren - I think you did dig your own grave. I would only be too happy to have someone come clear my drive at 2 am !! I don't have it too bad I guess. I hired the neighbor kids to come over later this mrorning and shovel the entire remaining foot of snow for $10.. Hehe. I guess they don't know the going rate for snow shoveling. Nothing like taking advantage of the naivety of youth :)
Scott - I second Loren's request for the complete list of measurements !!
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-18 12:21:08 EST (#)
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Scott - that is pretty shitty what your employer did. Same goes to you, Loren. Its too bad we need our jobs, otherwise it would be nice to cause really huge fiasco, threaten law suits, report them to some federal agency, etc. Actually, you might not have it that bad if your company has a pretty good severance package. I know mine gives severance to everyone, even if they were fired for gross misconduct. When I go looking for another job I need to somehow manage to get laid off/fired. 10 weeks of full pay would be great. I had a friend who staged a fight to get fired.
As far as the snow goes, didn't go to work yesterday, as it was a "holiday" (some holiday, stuck at home shoveling snow). Got up at 5:45 this morning to shovel out the drive. Get to the gym, only to find out it is closed so end up going to work an hour early... yeah !!! I am going to take off early today, though, so shouldn't be too bad. I live in Mass so they are really good about keeping the roads clear. Once you make it out of your drive, you are in the clear. They called a state of emergency last night - no one out on the roads unless absolutely necessary - so that they could get everything cleared off. I bed chiropractors and masseuses make a lot of money right after a big snow storm.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 12:16:58 EST (#)
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Sorry about the 2-post, but:
Scott - Please inform me now on your EXACT measurements... I'm getting all excited. OOP - sexual harassment - I hear sirens!!!
Loren
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 12:14:14 EST (#)
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nrscase
LOL, I knew the snow talk would spark a little something.
Let me give you the truth now:
- my back ALWAYs hurts, so it's completely unrelated to the snow.
- I'm seeing someone who drove me in in his nice toasty warm 4wd.
- my major gripe about the snow-shoveling is that those damned workers at my condominium decided to do the stairs and porch at 2 am. Fuckers. I need my beauty sleep.
- the snow and winds were so bad that almost 2 full inches were blown INTO the carport RIGHT on top of the rear bumper of my car, almost COMPLETELY covering the license plate!
- It's true, however, that my feet are damp, I think the heat in the truck was blowing a little too directly atop my timberlands, and got a little sweaty. Not to worry, I will lodge a complaint to the responsible party/parties later tonight.
I think I just dug myself a grave...
hey! wait! shoveling shit and digging graves... I'm working up a sweat.
luv ya Scott, yeah... come on... be a man... ;-)
Loren
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-18 12:03:56 EST (#)
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Hey nrscase;
You're making me look bad! Did you actually go to work? Listen, I'm not a wimp! I'm 6 foot, 185 pounds and fit. But not today. Today I feel like I'm 70 years old.
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-18 11:57:54 EST (#)
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Hey Loren,
My ass is not only cold, it broken! I spent 4 hours yesterday and 3 hours this morning shoveling my $200 car out of the driveway. Fuck work. They wanted me to come in by 10:00am. Sure the roads are fine but my back isn't!
About the issues at hand... I fully appreciate the experience you described. I hope that you take my comments with a grain of salt. My dissentions come from my own experiences. Yes, it happens to guys as well. A few employers ago, I had a girl jumping on my lap every chance she could get. Rubbing herself against me and the verbal crap as well. I did as much "get the fuck off me shit as I could. Could you imagine how much it takes for a guy to go to Human Resources? And... even though as much as 90% of the staff knew this chick was a freak, I took all the heat. 5 minutes after I logged a formal complaint I, NOT her, am in the office with my boss' boss. In a nutshell he's says "What the fuck are you doing??? Aren't you a man? Can't you handle this?"
Don't get me wrong, though. I totally empathize with the physically threatening assaults which women are more likely to have to deal with. But, these days, men have no recourse and women know it! If women truely want equality, they need to practice it and not capitalize on society's efforts to even the playing field.
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-18 11:54:31 EST (#)
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Loren,
Only 20" of snow!! We got at least 2' here. I shoveled the drive 3 times yesterday and still had to spend 45 minutes digging out enough to plow through the rest of it this morning to get to work. There is no place left to throw the snow. I have 4-6 foot high piles to the side of my drive that never gets any smaller - only bigger with each snow. That storm really ruined my vacation day. Why couldn't it have at least been on Tuesday, that way I could have had a 4 day weekend.
Snow sucks - I can't wait for spring. My back is killing me from all the shoveling, but I am too cheap to buy a snow blower.
Submitted by _JP (user info) at 2003-02-18 11:49:46 EST (#)
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Oh but Loren, that mean so much coming from you ;)
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 11:47:20 EST (#)
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JP - I swear, I wanted to get across that I totally agreed w/you. That's all. Sorry I made you weepy, I dig what you have to say at least 90% of the time, not that that should mean squat to you :-)
Loren
Submitted by _JP (user info) at 2003-02-18 11:39:55 EST (#)
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Loren,
I said all of the original posts by the men excluding razor. I was agreeing with you, sky, and company. But you yelled at me and my little feelings are hurt (before someone calls me a pussy, I'm being facetious).
About what you experienced: You should have gone over your supervisor's head and got that guy fired. If they still didn't do anything you should have sued the company for not doing anything about it. They have a responsibily to do what is necessary to provide a work environment that is not hostile.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 11:35:26 EST (#)
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catscradle - I'm fully aware of the difference in the two situations. I learned from my experience, and happily and hopefully the author here really has learned something too.
I learned sexually explicit illustrations with my head pasted onto them don't turn me on.
I learned that it is not possible to make someone's blood vessels explode by oral sex alone.
I learned to practice what I preach because I know what being on the receiving end of unwanted attention is like... blah blah blah...
It would be a perfect world if men were required to experience something similar, a jumping-off point in the world of professionalism. Maybe a routine "new male employee" day trip to the nearest correctional facility to do some mandatory parading in front of "Bubba and friends" would get the point across clearly. ?
Yes, some women overreact. But I've never witnessed such said overreacting, ever. So forgive me if I totally overreact to those generalizations about overreacting.
- and thanks for the backup about the "feminist bitch" nonsense that was posted (what a butthead).
If I lost a close family member and I was at the office I would probably have no shame at all and if I didn't faint dead away, I would undoubtedly blubber my guts out and run sobbing out of the building. But, hey - that's just me.
We got over 20" of snow yesterday and I'm cold, my feet are damp, and my back hurts. Where the hell is spring? wah. Anyone else living in hell frozen over?
Loren
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-18 10:39:47 EST (#)
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Congrats to the original poster for taking the time to think about the situation from another point of view. 1 down, 148,000,000 (approx US male population) to go - not to say that all men have no clue, but judging from this post, many don't. Usually, what is in one's own personal intrest (keeping your mouth shut and avoiding a possible lawsuit, unfounded or not) benefits everyone.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-02-18 10:38:49 EST (#)
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Catscradle - there is literaly no such thing as an objective point of view. If you're human & reading this, you're either a man or a woman & that alone brings a whole mess'o conditions to the table. Personally I don't think that work is a sane place for romance or grabass for that matter, but I also remember what I was like when I was a raging hormone pump with no inhibitions & a whoile future ahead of me. Getting fired might have seemed a reasonable price to pay for a piece of ass. I am sure that women must feel diferent about this, since they are the ones most often propositioned ( I think). Anyway, fucked up as things are regarding the whole sexual at work harrasment etiquette thingy, some people take chances & some succeed. I met my then future wife at work & it has, without doubt, been the best thing that's ever happened to me. Fact is, no matter what the result is, you have to keep working at the same place - it is difficult to excersize your prerogatives with regard to soemone you've been fucking ( for a man, that is - women are heartless, or rather they don't let sex cloud their judgement as much). Sex makes work much more complicated and who needs that?
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-18 10:28:09 EST (#)
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Truly, the one-sidedness here is fantastic sometimes. Okay, so Loren thought poster got what he deserved (as did I), but who took that to a 'man-hating feminist rant'....
let me pretend to be such ubersiter ---- "ah, you disagree with me, or with this person because I said something very inappropriate and made a woman uncomfortable at work, and rather than try to defend myself or my position, I'm going to cross you off as a man-hating bitch and say you suck for this reason, that reason and the other...and also base all your current posts on this particular topic as representative as everything else."
OR, you could just be like onetwistedbitch or whoever and just throw out an insult because you can't think of anything comprehensive or intelligent to add...
also, loren, I think JP said 'all the guys before razor', excluding us oh so knowledgable and wise women.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 10:06:55 EST (#)
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Loren,
what happened to you was shitty, and explains your posting zeal, but your story and the story given in the post are spectacularly different. The woman in the post perpetuated the conflict just as much as the man did.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-18 09:54:38 EST (#)
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Catscradle - "raging asshole" sounds like something I would say
JP - How can we ALL be idiotic? You summed up for the most part my argument that he just should have kept his mouth shut. (PROFESSIONALISM - exactly.)
ImOneTwistdBitch - "There's nothing worse in life then man-hating feminists... Loren suck it up, and fuck yourself with a butcher knife."
- you stupid twisted bitch, did you read the entire post? Have you ever read anything I've posted? Stupid ass. Try looking a little deeper and you may decide to jam that butcher knife down your own obnoxious throat. "Women" like you show your desperation for male attention by trying to be "one of the boys" all the time, regardless of what you have to "SUCK" up.
Whatthehell- "Shut up, do your job, get paid, and find women to talk to somewhere else."
- ditto. It's that simple. I agree, what's all the confusion about?
One little story for all you dumb fucks who didn't read into anything I've ever written, and I think you know who you are...
About 10 years ago I was cornered at my job by some greasy fuck who stated "he wanted to eat me out until every blood vessel in my body burst." Then he handed me an extensive letter with illustrations and a continued list of his sexual desires. I was totally freaked out, he hadn't even spoken to me before this, EVER, and even though I told my boss and showed him the letter, not even a word was said to this guy. I didn't try to get him fired, I only wanted him to leave me alone. So the steps I took were to let the people close to me know what he was up to, so they would rally around me and make sure the freak didn't ambush me in the parking lot late one night. I also told him that if he ever spoke to me again I'd have my boyfriend and company wait for him to leave work. Do you think that's fair? Should I really have had to take all this on? Should he NOT have been reprimanded - warned?
I am far from a wimp, I spent 7 years as a bartender with no back-up and have had everything in the world said to me, and laughed it all off in good spirit, but that was that job, professional jobs are professional jobs. I deserve some peace at the office.
ImOneTwistdBitch - you probably never had anything like that ever happen to you, but let me assure you, it's not like your vibrator-induced fantasies, it's not flattering, it's scary.
Loren
Submitted by blanchfor (user info) at 2003-02-17 10:17:13 EST (#)
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whatthehell I have to agree with you. That's the way I see it also.
Submitted by whatthehell <whatthehelldidyoujustsay@learn> at 2003-02-17 09:38:53 EST (#)
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Dude, did you write this in the middle of a drug induced stupor? Is that some new language you invented? I can't imagine someone hired you. You are truly illiterate.
Now, to get to the point. After taking two hits of acid and waiting an hour I reread your post. My advice to any men out there is to keep your mouth shut and do your work. There is no place for flirting in the workplace these days unless it's the women who are doing it. If you are a man and you bring charges against a woman at work for sexually harrassing you, you will be ridiculed and not believed. If you are a woman and you bring charges that a man "made you feel uncomfortable" with a "sexual" remark like "oh, you look good today" or "you smell nice", you have the power to get someone fired. That is the sad truth of the bias of todays workplace. Oh, and by the way, the more diverse our workplaces get in the future, the worse it will get. Shut up, do your job, get paid, and find women to talk to somewhere else.
Submitted by ImOneTwistdBitch (user info) at 2003-02-17 02:55:15 EST (#)
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There's nothing worse in life then man-hating feminists... Loren suck it up, and fuck yourself with a butcher knife.
Hey I'm a chick by the way, so agree with me and do as I say?
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-17 01:56:52 EST (#)
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The problem with this discussion is,
people get a specific situation like this, then respond to the general topic of the post not the actual post. It's one thing to identify manish 18 with male stereotypes and attack him as such - one person called him a raging asshole - and another thing to look at the situation from an unbiased point of view.
Submitted by BiGGPuFFLes (user info) at 2003-02-16 22:20:43 EST (#)
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Uhh, I like how you have "have 2 new mangers."
Submitted by michaelahunt (user info) at 2003-02-16 21:45:30 EST (#)
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I hate those chicks that think every guy is hitting on them when they are trying to be friendly. Especially those ugly chicks. Yeah, when most guys talk to me, I know they have no intention, even if they do make a comment, I couldn't give a shit.
Submitted by _JP (user info) at 2003-02-16 16:14:41 EST (#)
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This is my first post on the topic, so I have to start from the beginning.
All of the original posts by the guys (with the exception of Razor who had something intelligent to say) were totally idiotic.
Yes, women are sensitive to sexual harassment and they have every right to be. Women have been treated as sexual object for 5000 years. For the last 30 we've been trying to treat them as equals and for the most part we still suck at it. They have every right to be cautious. I do agree that some things are blown out of proportion, but this is the exception.
I do have to say kudos to everyone who experienced some growth during the course of this post. There may be hope.
About the original post, dude you're were an idiot.
One word, say it with me, - - - PROFESSIONALISM
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-15 11:30:36 EST (#)
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Hi Sky,
I read through your links. I was particularly drawn to the chart (table 1) in your second link:
http://cstl-cla.semo.edu/snell/books/gender/chap08.htm
It seems to suggest that all things being equal us men and women are not that different. I lean towards this belief because I believe this new milleneum we are in will be an androgenous one. But, until the future takes hold - read on!
I found the following document http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hecs-sesc/workplace/pdf/workplaceJug_en.pdf. It's from Canda so I'm not sure how that may invalidate the results. :) The document is excellent, though. Very comprehesnive and easy to follow.
Key text: (for my point anyway...) "Women are almost twice as likely to experience difficulties in juggling work and home." By the way... my Cornell sweetheart ... the document goes further to say that those who are educated are at greater risk to experience these difficulties. Back to an old point of mine that ignorance is bliss! To which I aspire!
Hope you had a good Valentines.
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-15 10:59:30 EST (#)
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MassD: Well said.
Razor: I like the two different cars analogy.
catscradle: Very good point about her manager status. Harassments complaints are usually peer to peer or from subordinates about 'higher ups'. This woman was simply and ASS.
Teri: "Sissy men sit in offices and bitch about the female boss(es). " So? A little blue colar bias? I guess you only want men with balls. Brains AND balls too much for you? Instead of bitching about you females, would you rather we slap you around like the good old days? Yeah... that's it... a good old fashioned blue colar beating.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-15 10:36:48 EST (#)
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<The proper procedure is to report it, as not to contribute anything to the asshole's comment in the first place. Without witnesses, if she had said something that sparked an argument, it would have been her word against his, and she would have been viewed as sinking to his level (if that is possible), or the misuse of her higher position. She did the right thing in an uncomfortable situation.>
Regardless, the woman in THIS story is, according to the facts given, just a bitch.
Loren, the proper procedure is to report it? As opposed to just say something up front about it? And let's talk about contributing: She DID contribute to the convo by continuing to talk about it. She DID "sink" to his level (and yes, it's "possible"), and seeing as how there were no neutral 'witnesses' anyway, it IS her word against his. Apparently, because
A. she's a manager, and
B. she's a woman,
Her word has reached divine status. The boss's reaction is, "Oh no, I must placate her, don't want a nasty lawsuit."
Women: If you're uncomfortable about something.. say you're uncomfortable. The only difference between telling the guy you're uncomfortable and telling the boss you're uncomfortable is courage or the lack theirof. Assuming this story is truly narrated, this woman was not only a bitch but a spineless coward as well.
And finally, if the sexist comment is inappropriate and has nothing to do with the workplace, how irrelevant to the workplace is talking about a guy's working out activity?
Submitted by MassD (user info) at 2003-02-14 23:21:18 EST (#)
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I use all sorts of foul language, well, because I can. Fewer words convey to correct feel.
Like anything else, its usually a select few that screw everything up. Some people are too sensitive to be functioning in society. Something simple as "How are things going?" can be warped into "Come over here and sit on my knob you dirty little whore." Its a feedback loop. We have to be more "sensitive" to other's feelings, and those other people as a result become more sensitive to what is said. Its like when a toddler falls down and goes boom ... if everyone jumps up and goes running over fawning over him like he just fell off a cliff, the kid cries. If no one even bats an eye, the kid hits the ground running without so much as a squeak.
As is, it gets all fucked up. Some poor bastard gets fired for giving an innocent compliment... It has happened plenty of times. The poor guy now has that following him around forever, and the shrew that ruined his life is hailed as a workplace hero. Who is getting harressed there?
I will tell you about something I actually witnessed... At my last job, there was this real corny shmuck in the next cube.... naive as the day is long and made Ward Cleaver look like Andrew Dice Clay. He was always pleasent, he said little and kept mostly to himself (which turned out to be his downfall, no one knew him). A new women started as a manager in another department... she came over with some test results and I heard him say "My, that is a wonderfull dress. My wife has the same one and its always been my favorite." I remember it word for word because, well, it was pretty goofy... Well.. two days later I get a email from HR asking me to come by. I get there and find out that she had filed a complaint and accused him of creating a hostile working enviroment.... Even with my statement, they suspended him and sent him to a seminar on sexual harrassment. When he returned, most of the women treated him as if he was a serial rapist and he lasted only two more weeks before he had to resign.... I was warned because I said that I thought he got unfairly accused and she should be the one apologizing. I heard a month later that he was being treated for depression. How in hell is THAT fair? Hm? That guy giving a purely innocent compliment... no lurid connotations, no sinister undertones... the poor fuck was just paying a nice compliment and being friendly. And his life gets turned to shit as a result. Between that asshat filing the complaint and the rest of the women in the office being the ones that really created the hostile work environment, it REALLY pissed me off. So, yes, my opinion is quite jaded...
I believe in comfortable working environment. Now that doesn't mean us silverbacks go knuckle-dragging around the office boasting about the size of our genitalia. But it also doesn't mean that every little comment we make must be translated to a sexual proposition.
Submitted by Teri (user info) at 2003-02-14 18:49:08 EST (#)
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Oh JOY! Another male/female thingy.
About the origional rant:
At least she was TRYING to work out. I spent an entire summer working at an amusement park helping people fit their asses into seats. Nothing is worse than if you have to reach between their ass and the seat to get the buckle.
I have nothing against fat people in a gym. I have a problem with fat people who sit on their asses, open a tub of ice cream and watch a workout video (or infomercial) and consider that a set.
About the author:
She probably thought you implied she ... err ... 'pleasures' herself in the morning (and perhaps got that right) because she could never get laid.
The fact you apologized means you acknowledge you did something wrong. Did you tell him the story of how working out puts a person in a good mood?
About men / women:
It's nice to know men haven't changed. At all. Since the cave men. So men are physically stronger. Now there's someone to haul furniture, unplug drains and whatever else. Yay.
You claim women run home and cry to daddys when there's a problem. Men swear and/or drink and/or hurt themselves doing something they don't know how to do. Of course, it's alright to be physically hurt. Just don't dent the ego. Think Ubersite. Piss off a man and he swears a lot and ends the post. Piss off a women and she'll swear while trying to explain the problem in kindergarden terms.
Did women ask to be pampered to start with? Someone had to do the dirty jobs and men volunteered, so they got the 'tools of the trade'. "Women did the gathering and housework (or equivalent of) ..." Bullshit. ... actually, it's still the same. Men with the physical advantage work out in the sun with the heavy machinery. Sissy men sit in offices and bitch about the female boss(es).
Men had a physical advantage and used it to bully women into submission. Women had restrictions all over the place. Now the women try to make a comeback and men are shrivel because it's all part of the hurt ego. Men no longer have dominance over certain fields.
Go on. Click 'post a reply' and swear and yell. I know half of the males reading this is thinking "what the fuck is wrong with this person? I'd like to go there and give them a piece of my mind. Fuck fuckitty fuck fuck fuck. I don't care. I have a right to my opinion.
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-14 18:20:12 EST (#)
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by the way, thank you all for your comments!
made me see things from different angles.
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-14 18:19:03 EST (#)
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you are right nicole. it's a work place & u gotta keep it clean, unless u know the person, which i will do in future.
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-14 18:04:25 EST (#)
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Unfortunately not all people are as laid back as I am so I still think it is stupid to make the comment that you did, not knowing what her reaction would be. Yeah, maybe she overreacted... maybe she didn't. It doesn't really matter. You can't change society easily to its best just to keep your mouth shut until you know whether the person has their "panties in a bunch"
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-14 17:40:46 EST (#)
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listn folks. here is the thing. i try to treat everybody with respect. the point is that my comment is so minute that it should of been ignored (or be dealt with right there and than, if it hurt her little feeling)and not gone to my manager. period. somebody said this should of gone to HR department. why? so we can waste everybody's time.
I like women like my aunt and nrscase who are just cool and laid back and are cool with boy's comments. My company is a great place to work, nice ladies and gents, just stuff like pissed me off.
I didn't not come on to her sexually or made any sexual comment toward her. if saying something like "you gotta look naked"(jokly by the way) is considered sexual harASSment than you have your head stuck too deep in your ass ever take it out.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2003-02-14 17:31:20 EST (#)
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I'd like to add that the socialization which occurs is perpetuated every bit as much by women as it is by men - women, too, teach their sons that they are supposed to ask women out not the other way around.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-14 16:50:19 EST (#)
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perhaps one should reevaluate exactly who sounds like a little bitch here...
"I hear her going by my cube.. i feel like punching her face, but i won't because i know that should def get me fired. get it?"
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-14 16:36:44 EST (#)
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you are right scott_ny i show the picture of loran1. she is pretty but still sound like a little bitch from the post here.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2003-02-14 16:33:19 EST (#)
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I just want to chime in here with the following things:
Women have the short end of the stick when it comes to finding jobs, earning equal salaries, and earning respect at work.
Recent policy changes, however, have created an environment that is a god-damned OVERREACTION.
Situations like the one described should be handled by the HR dept. bringing the two of them into a room and mediating between the two people. The incident should be discussed and it should be clear that the boundary lines of an individual person have been crossed. If the person continues to be a jerk or is unapologetic, then perhaps it is time to call down some discipline, but someone shouldn't lose a job over comments like "Wow, you look fantastic in that skirt" or even a rag on someone like "If that skirt was any shorter I'd think you were advertising".
I am not a proponent of allowing sexual harrassment to exist, but on the same hand MassD has a point in that women are given license to behave at work in ways that men are not.
What it really boils down to is gender differentiation that occurs early in the socialization process. Men are taught to conceal, suppress, and ignore their emotions. We are taught that shows of emotion are weak and that someone who shows weakness will be singled out from the herd and picked off in a very evoultionary way. Women are taught to be expressive of how they feel. They are taught that displays of emotion are conducive to a happy and fully expressed life.
Men and women are both taught that men are supposed to pursue women sexually - although of course there are exceptions the general rule is that the man pursues the woman and that at most the woman will "hint" to the man that his advances would be welcome if he would care to make them. Our culture has not yet adjusted in every way to our white collar society, and so men find themselves in the confusing situation of not being able to do what they have been taught to do. Imagine, if you will, driving two cars over the course of the day. One of them is normal, but on the other one, the gas pedal is on the left and the brake is on the right. While you could get used to it, it's likely that in a pressure situation or just every once in awhile by accident you'd slip up and push down with the wrong foot. In the same sense, I imagine that a lot of time men don't realize they're being inappropriate and they are acting as they are programmed to do.
Men - Women's displays of emotion are wussy and they let shit get to them too much.
Women - Men are brutes that have no respect for feelings or sexual boundaries.
Try respecting the other side instead of viewing them like aliens.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-14 16:31:12 EST (#)
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I can't find the link I'm thinking of...I think it was about separating jobs from relationships and how women were better at it.
Says that there was no marked difference between the coping skills female and males used when stressed....based on 88 females and 18 males though...
http://www.uncc.edu/psychology/UJOP/UJOP%202000/White%202000.html
Men are more susceptible to stress based on health trends....so if you really think that women are still overemotional and silly, maybe we got it right!
http://cstl-cla.semo.edu/snell/books/gender/chap08.htm
of course you could find a million to support either side...
Thanks for entertaining me in my boredom at work today. fabulous.
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 16:26:12 EST (#)
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oh Sky, by the way... Cornell? Hmmmmm. You must be a great catch!
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 16:22:35 EST (#)
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Sky,
I'm prepared to agree with you on some of your points - dammit! I'll take my own quest and talk to you later. Enjoy your Valentines. I'm off to get my steak dinner!
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-14 16:11:21 EST (#)
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scott,
On a quest....I'll try to find them. Isn't that funny you got a Cornell study. I'm an alum. tee hee. Did they quiz women from the Ithaca community? Did those women have teeth? Don't get me wrong, I love Cornell and Ithaca, but hunting season is pretty big up there, and I do believe there's still an A&W in Cortland. ALSO, this study is based on women with children 12 and under, and I am prepared to generalize that a lot of those women have a far more active role, at least emotionally, in that child's life, especially if the child is under five. I think a study based on women with young children working is far different than women in general.
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 16:01:32 EST (#)
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Hey IndianOcean, As much as I disagree with some of Loren's comments, you should know she is one of the most georgeous women I know. (She's got her pictures up check'em)
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:59:45 EST (#)
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Sky, I love ya but,... here's mine... show me your MSN stats:
Borrowed from : http://www.blcc.cornell.edu/wp_abstract_02_01.html
Key text: "...However, women also list conflicting work/family demands as sources of stress while men do not."
Full Abstract:
The quantitative analysis is conducted with a 399 dual-earner, married couples with children under the age of 12 (Cornell Couples and Careers Study, 1998-99). Fifty-two in-depth interviews with dual-earner couples are examined to identify sources of stress and of social support. For both men and women, having children in the home predicts family stress. Longer work hours are associated work stress. However, for women, longer work hours are also associated with family stress. For both men and women, childcare mediates the association between children in the home and family stress. Support from family members and social networks lessens the degree of family related stress somewhat, but only for men and women with children in the 6 to 11 age range. Analysis of the interviews suggests a complex pattern of what men and women define as sources of stress. Men and women most frequently say that work pressure is a source of stress. However, women also list conflicting work/family demands as sources of stress while men do not. In terms of social support, women cite childcare and parents and family equally as the top sources of support, but for men community services are the top-ranking source of support. For women, childcare is both a mediator family related stress, and emerges as the top source of support cited by women in the qualitative analysis. The policy implications of these findings are discussed.
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:59:40 EST (#)
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sweet loran1.
You are too kind. but i almost certain u don't look good naked.
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:52:44 EST (#)
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Hey nrscase: I LOVE a sultry voice! and I love the name, Nicole. And thanks for showing everyone that not being a man hater does nothing more than show how sure you are about yourself. More women should take note from you.
Submitted by blanchfor (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:50:39 EST (#)
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Sorry LOREN. Maybe I should keep my fingers (what I use to type) to myself.
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:45:40 EST (#)
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God, I am glad I don't work at the places you guys do. I am one of relatively few women in my department in a company that is still fun the the "good ol'boys". By and large, we women are a pretty hardy bunch, though some of their female oriented policies still piss me off. Most of the stuff that would probably be called sexual harassment doesn't bother us. I don't mind stuff like that, but that is because I grew up with it. If someone else came in, they would probably be appalled. Sexual harassment is all in how the person takes it. Some people don't care, others do. If everyone was respectfull for just a little bit until they got to know the person well enough so they could judge how a particular comment would be taken, this wouldn't be an issue. I think that 90% of the so called "sexual harassment" cases are just instances where someone didn't think before shooting off his/her mouth. If people would just keep quiet for just a little bit and respect each other, I think things would go a lot easier.
I have an example of something that happened just today. One of the guys I work with occasionally commented on my sultry voice and how he wouldn't mind getting paged over the intercom, etc. He knows I don't have a problem joking around and I in turn know that he is a happily married man and had no other intentions with the comment.
Ughh... it is such a touchy-feely topic.
Nicole
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:44:09 EST (#)
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scott,
can i say I'm sorry that you have to deal with these particular women? we're not all like that. some of us actually try to enjoy life rather than obsessing over it.
there was some study on MSN where they said that men take work stress home with them more often than women. I guess it's just a matter of opinion. I rarely talk about work at home, and I'm not anymore obsessive about my personal life at work than any of the other men (I did see my male coworker cry about a family death the other day though...more tears than I've shed here).
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:41:45 EST (#)
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*Shit* sorry for posting agian, but-
sky- very cool.
L
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:39:16 EST (#)
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MassD
<Trust me on this ladies, you have no idea how we treat one another when there are no women about.>
nrscare and I probably do have an idea. Speaking for myself, and I hope Scott will back me on this, my majority of friends are men, it's usually a free for all.
Blanchfor-
Who's Lauren, and why are you giving her my wiseass crown of glory?
:-)
Bye, back on Monday. Don't miss me too much. Like IndianOcean, I'm going home to celebrate V-Day by getting some. The only difference is, that there will be another person in the room WITH me. :-o
Loren
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:29:49 EST (#)
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Hey Sky,
I worked at an all girls college where 80% of the staff are women. I feel comfortable in saying that if something upsets a women, it rolls into their work day. Like MassD has seen, so have I. I have seen many many women crying at work for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with work. And even if it did have to do with work - what the fuck are you crying about? This is a submissions all to itself!
I have seen greater statistics in women managers treating women employees badly more than men. Why? I can guarantee you it's got nothing to do with work productivity. Conversely, if they have a bad day at work they bring it home. Sure guys come home in bad moods also but, they take a nap and recover. Women come home and share the wealth! they look for everything that everyone in the home is doing wrong and every other reason they can find to bitch about something. If they are miserable they want the whole world to be miserable.
oh and Loren,
nrcase has the spirit of Valentines in her. I'll give her anything she wants.
Submitted by blanchfor (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:29:26 EST (#)
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Lauren you don't know what you're talking about. Men are then manliest beings since boys. We should be allowed to say whatever we want to you cause we bring home the money while you buy stupid little cat statues to put on the coffee table at the home I bought. Everyone knows only women bitch about sexual harassment because men are too manly to feel threatened by you insignifigant women. So just shut your pie hole.
EVERYONE ELSE - All eyes here. Watch how Lauren will roast this post just like she's roasted every other post on here. You people should know better... you're making it too damn easy.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:27:15 EST (#)
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Indian Ocean,
She doesn't owe you the consideration of telling you that was inappropriate. Anyone with any ounce of consideration or common sense would know better than to say something like that. Frankly, if someone lacked enough social skills to say that to me in a work setting, I wouldn't even BOTHER talking to them about it. And your most recent post does further prove how retarded and lacking in social skills you are....take some anger management classes and maybe go to a therapist and figure out why you have so little respect for women....because loren disagrees with you, you tell her to shut the fuck up? This woman is YOUR MANAGER, regardless of how much you dislike her, or think she's inadequate, she still deserves a bit of respect...I doubt you would've made that comment to your other MALE manager....
Maybe you should read more of the board before you say Loren hates men....that's hardly the issue here...the issue is being disrespected (REGARDLESS OF SEX) and in this particular instance, you and a few others are turning this disrespect into something women for some inconcrete and undeveloped reason ask for... I do not hate men. I love men lots, but men (or should I say boys) like you give the rest of them a bad, violent, angry, harrassing name.
Submitted by MassD (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:27:11 EST (#)
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Women are not subhuman.. I never once hinted to that.
Do I open my mount and spew forth inappropriate things to women? Nope. Is it out of fear of getting canned? Nope. Its out of respect. Men are treated far more harshly than women in the workplace anyhow. We are more verbally blunt and insulting to our fellow man than we can ever be with any women. Trust me on this ladies, you have no idea how we treat one another when there are no women about. If we didn't take comments in stride, most everyone I work with would have been cited for some violation or another. Sure, there are some men out there who have commited some legitimate offenses, but most accusations are unfounded.
Now, if the man had of said "gotta look good naked" to a man... it wouldn't have even registered a blink on the man's radar. More likely it would have been followed with a "Then you need all the help you can get" in return. No harrassment, nothing. But it was said to a women with the EXACT same intention behind it and it starts a international incident.
Call me a sexist pig, call me a troglodyte.. call me whatever the hell you want. Frankly, I don't give a shit. I see what I see and I hear what I hear and I will say anything I want to. Women overanalyze everything that everyone says... if you deny that simple fact, you are either lying through your teeth or outright blind to the world. Charges of sexual harrassment are being thrown around like paper airplanes in offices around the country. Even the most innocent of statements are being horribly misconstrued and people are being diciplined and terminated unjustly. Anyone accused of harrassment is guilty until proven otherwise, and they usually are run out of town before they are given a chance to set the record straight. Even if its resolved, the poor bastard might as well carry around a red "A" on his chest because he now has a price on his head.
Whomever coined the phrase "I would rather see 100 guilty men go free than convict a single innocent man" obviously was not throwin into the mix when harrassment policies were written.
So I am pretty bitter about the subject. I've seen too many people get screwed over 100% harmless statements overheard by people who had no idea as to the context.
If women want to be treated equally in the workplace, they sure fooled me.
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:22:12 EST (#)
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Loren: I'm definitely worth more than $2.50. I would normally charge at least double that, but since it is v-day, I figured I'd give him a discount. Hell, I'd have made it a 2fer if Scott could have got some other people in on the action, but he couldn't manage that one :)
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:12:45 EST (#)
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Sorry about the double post all, but I didn't see this asshole's latest response.
IndianOcean-
You just backed up everything I've been saying about you.
You have little or no self control. You can't keep shit from spilling out of your mouth, and now you're talking about your desire to punch a woman in the face as she passes by, that should earn you a lot of respect.
You're disrespectful and immature, why don't you just learn from what happened after your stupid comment, rather than whining, pouting and pounding your little fists on your desk when you know you can't do anything about it anyway? At least not anything that won't get you fired or incarcerated.
Stupid fuck.
BTW - I choose to not shut up, but thanks for the suggestion, it's good to know I'm thought of.
Loren
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:05:30 EST (#)
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Sky,
Scott is being an asshole with the lone intent of getting a rise out of us.
I think we should blacklist him until he starts behaving again. ;-)
nrscase,
Girl - 2.50???
You're worth more than that. Up the anti.
Happy VD.
L
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-14 15:04:07 EST (#)
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I guess i just have to come out and just say it SHUT THE FUCK UP Loren1. (you think i should get fired becasue why.. all my hard work of going to college..putting up w/ all the bullshit and i should get fired because of the lame comment (ohhhh i hurt her feeling.. once!).. good job Loren. Why hate guys so much? did u even read my post of just starting bitching without any logic at all. i don't mind that u talk shit about me or anyboyd long as you can back it up. you make no sense)
ok so the naked comment was little off.. i agree and i realize that but at the same time, i didn't see any reaction from her or see any discomfort on her face. She conutined on w/ her "working out" comment.. She actually laughed at my comment. I agree with catscradle (my thoughts exactly) she should of opened her mouth and i would of had no problem saying sorry (last thing i want to do is make somebody uncomfortable)
but going to a manager was just too fuckin much. I hear her going by my cube.. i feel like punching her face, but i won't because i know that should def get me fired. get it?
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-14 14:58:36 EST (#)
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scott_ny,
"I agree with MassD and catscradle. Women bring too much baggage into the office. They ALL do."
Where the fuck do YOU work? the women at my office, including me, keep our personal lives separate from work. Maybe you should move out of upstate to somewhere they don't give you days off for hunting season.
Submitted by nrscase (user info) at 2003-02-14 14:52:24 EST (#)
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Scott,
If I am going to fufill my end of the bargain, I at least expect the other $2.50 ...
Have a happy v-day everyone. Have a fun and enjoyable evening and make sure and get some.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-14 14:35:08 EST (#)
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See? Blanchfor is not talking about women here. Where does it stop?
When men don't have women to chase, they eventually turn to each other.
L
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 14:32:56 EST (#)
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Loren,
I'll give you $2.50 because I at least got someone to say they would! (nrcase)...
Second, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll instruct manish on how to be a better pervert....
Lesson number 1. It is perfectly acceptable if, when walking passed a woman's desk who happens to have a pear for lunch to tell her that she has a wonderful pear.
Lesson number 2. It is perfectly acceptable to tell your female tech support person that your hard drive is acting up and that you would like her to see if it has been mounted properly.
hey... love ya
Submitted by blanchfor (user info) at 2003-02-14 14:14:15 EST (#)
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Men do get sexually assaulted - Take me for instance. Some people just don't take no for answer I guess.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-14 13:58:06 EST (#)
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The proper procedure is to report it, as not to contribute anything to the asshole's comment in the first place. Without witnesses, if she had said something that sparked an argument, it would have been her word against his, and she would have been viewed as sinking to his level (if that is possible), or the misuse of her higher position. She did the right thing in an uncomfortable situation.
Scott, stop trying to intentionally push my buttons by jumping on the band wagon of losers, oh, and remember, you owe me $5, Mr. Know-it-all.
Loren
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 13:44:38 EST (#)
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senetence correction... "she should have said something.."
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-14 13:43:11 EST (#)
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Hey!
I agree with MassD and catscradle. Women bring too much baggage into the office. They ALL do. And yeah the bitch should have something. It's not like manish18 had a knife to her throat (right?)or are all us men so brutish and intimidating that our mere presence petrifies you with fear?
Oh... and yeah Loren.. I'm with manish18. She's likely a slob and he was doing her a service.
Let's reflect: And I was 'you gotta look good naked' jokingly. and she like "ya I work out too in the morning at home" She LOVED hearing him say that! There is no doubt tha