I'm going to get flamed to hell for this, but it's OK for work... (2735 hits)
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Submitted by Big Jay <jgreening> (View user info) at 2004-12-01 11:53:38 EST
I was sitting at home last night, watching BBC America News, and a thought popped into my head.
It wasn't a stream of word kind of thought, but a picture, and idea.
I sat for a few hours, and it made sense.
Brits are to Americans
as
Jews are to Christians
Made us, oppresed us, hated us, tried to end us, but in the final analysis, we saved your asses time and time again.
The bad thing, I'm not sure if I'm kidding, but I think I am..
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-05 18:43:48 EST (#)
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instead of how high you could get, look into how long you've been on it. Keep up the good work.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-05 18:34:32 EST (#)
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Actually I do agree with the Americans/Brits to a point. America entering World War 2 was the decisive factor that shifted momentum to the Allies.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-04 21:14:36 EST (#)
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Thanks, Stabby.
I'm still kinda shocked this is still getting comments, since most everyone knonw I only did this to see how far I could get on Most Heated...
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-12-04 20:06:48 EST (#)
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pity +2
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-04 18:42:25 EST (#)
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I nominate Djiouti
Submitted by Fleury75 (user info) at 2004-12-04 16:56:28 EST (#)
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Count me in for Guam.
No, i wanna change to Myanmar.
Submitted by Slovin (user info) at 2004-12-04 11:22:47 EST (#)
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The reviews had a whole lot of numbers and they made my brain hurt.
Can we just pick a country that we can all agree is evil, and direct all the ignorant racist comments towards them?
I nominate Guam.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-04 02:18:19 EST (#)
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Damn it!
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-04 02:09:29 EST (#)
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Piss on you, darko! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-04 01:11:34 EST (#)
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I just want to be the last person who rates this post.
Submitted by barryap (user info) at 2004-12-03 18:44:20 EST (#)
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Waitwaitwaitwaitwait, back up...the Jews oppressed the Christians?
We're supposed to get this history lesson from someone who's ignored 2000 years of Christianity's history of shitting on all other religions?
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-03 16:55:57 EST (#)
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*Germany had gained another ally in Vichy France.
Sorry, I tend to forget words when I'm in an argument.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-03 16:54:14 EST (#)
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OK? How were the Allies not at the breaking point until America intervened? The Soviet Union was battling for its very survival at Moscow, Great Britain was getting bombed to hell by the German Air Force, and the Germans had gained another in the Vichy French. How were the Allies NOT losing?
Submitted by sebcharrot (user info) at 2004-12-03 11:22:12 EST (#)
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Teenjunkie:
"Have you ever seen Saving Private Ryan? That was Omaha Beach"
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Oh, by the way, have you seen the adverts for Tom Hanks' new documentary? What's it called, now? Oh yes! The polar express! I can't wait to learn more about that subject!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-03 10:16:29 EST (#)
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This was fun.
All done now, unless you *want* to keep saying the same stuff...
Submitted by Burn (user info) at 2004-12-03 09:23:45 EST (#)
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You spent a dollar trying to get this on most heated. Your are one sad motherfucker.
Submitted by Tigre (user info) at 2004-12-03 06:33:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2004-12-03 01:02:47 (#)
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Submitted by CoachMagirk27 (user info) at 2004-12-02 21:32:40 (#)
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Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2004-12-02 15:46:16 (#)
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You paid a dollar for this -2.
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2004-12-03 04:06:10 EST (#)
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DarthAwesome:
Utah beach didn't go down according to plan. It was a fuck up from the start, dropzones were missed by miles, units and equipment were scattered everywhere. It finished a success through aggression, determination, training and luck.
Some people know more about the wars than they care too because they work in an industry where they are expected to know. Some people have to know obscure things such as how Sherman tanks operated differently to the Cromwells in Holland.
I can look out of my office window and see a WW2 airfield and an American War Memorial I don't need reminding that the US helped out in a huge way, I get a visual of that every day.
The trouble, as highlighted time and again on this site and indeed this post, is some people have a grossly exagerated opinion of Americas involvement, like the Allies were at breaking point till the US turned up to bail us out. Which is just not true.
Want to feel really proud of Americas involvement? Stop watching Saving Private Ryan and go read about the Bedford boys. That is truly inspirational.
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2004-12-03 02:17:00 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-03 02:01:58 EST (#)
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nobody has -2'd this in a while
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2004-12-03 01:02:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by CoachMagirk27 (user info) at 2004-12-02 21:32:40 (#)
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Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2004-12-02 15:46:16 (#)
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You paid a dollar for this -2.
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Submitted by Arsenal (user info) at 2004-12-03 00:53:48 EST (#)
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fuck?
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2004-12-02 23:50:55 EST (#)
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oh yes, if christians are known for *anything* its the amount of tolerance they've exercised in saving the Jews.
Submitted by the_lone_stranger (user info) at 2004-12-02 22:27:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by sublime (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:35:54 (#)
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you can tell caul is worked up, because he isn't correcting his english
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HAHAA!! It's funny cuz it's true. My French roommate does the same thing.
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2004-12-02 22:19:41 EST (#)
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Caulaincourt, my reply wasn't targeted towards you, but the whole group in general. What really got me angry was some Brit downplaying America's involvement in D-Day, failing to mention that while, yes, Utah went down according to plan (and shouldn't credit be given to the men who fought well, instead of crying "favorable environment for the yanks!"), Omaha was as hot as hell.
Then some over patriotic jerk points out the American's higher casualties, but decided to not bring up the fact that England had been fighting the war for years longer and America had many more young, fresh men ready to fight because of this.
But nobody mentioned the extreme effort and collaboration put into Operation Overlord and WW2 in general. No one said, 2,500 good men lost their lives that day. In 1944, it wasn't "15 hundred American's died invading Normandy, oh and by the way about 900 or so Brits an Canuks". It was 25 hundred ALLIES. Brothers in Arms. I say God bless them.
Submitted by precision (user info) at 2004-12-02 22:10:04 EST (#)
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-2 that is
Submitted by precision (user info) at 2004-12-02 22:08:39 EST (#)
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Ok...I give, here's your -
Submitted by StonedSilly (user info) at 2004-12-02 21:38:50 EST (#)
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I paid twenty dollars to give you this -2.
Submitted by CoachMagirk27 (user info) at 2004-12-02 21:32:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2004-12-02 15:46:16 (#)
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You paid a dollar for this -2.
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-02 21:00:40 EST (#)
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DarthAwesome, you're right. As Napoleon said, history is a set of lies agreed upon.
But the point of these replies weren't about the accuracy of historical facts, which most of us got wrong, it was about saying it is idiotic to say "if it wasn't for us..." or "we saved your ass". I'm not a Brit.
Submitted by transhuman (user info) at 2004-12-02 19:39:05 EST (#)
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Your analogy stinks like shit. OH WAIT: it's your POST.
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2004-12-02 19:14:41 EST (#)
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I love how all brits, seemingly regardless of age, are WW2 experts. I've read about a dozen books on the European Theatre. If anyone else has here, they know that for every opinion they justify with facts they've read, they could do the same for their opponent's argument.
The truth is no one here fought in WW2. My great uncle jumped over Normandy, Holland, and fought in the buldge with the 101st. My grandfather was a pilot stationed in england, the other in the army in europe. Even after talking to all and hearing their stories, even after reading quite a bit on the topic I wouldn't even make some of the very controversial comments you self proclaimed historians are.
You read a view books, and suddenly its like you were sitting in clouds watching the whole damn thing take place with a telescope. Let me give you guys a hint. History books are biased. Authors are biased. History books has conflicting views with other History books. Authors have conflicting views with other Authors.
Fucking typical.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2004-12-02 19:11:07 EST (#)
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What?
Submitted by Fabish (user info) at 2004-12-02 18:12:13 EST (#)
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Caulaincourt,
I'm not directly arguing with you, but my main thought on the whole argument itself is this: That's why the countries were allies. Without each other the war(s) would've ended in disaster (for probably the entire world, assuming Germany won etc.) Without Britain D-Day wouldn't have happened because where the hell are you going to have a surprise attack on Germany if not via the English Channel?
Like I said, it's not an argument at you, in fact you made the best point during the word shuffle, I'm just saying that the Allies were indeed allies for a reason, and it was to accomplish the overall goal of victory. America impacted both wars, as did the British, the French, and Russia...and other trivial countries that don't come to mind because I'm not thinking of the Pacific and
Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2004-12-02 17:16:54 EST (#)
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Just the other day an American saved me. So I tried to end him.
Just today I went on a post. I want to try and end the author.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-02 16:38:56 EST (#)
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.jpg?
I guess I can kind of deal with that...
Submitted by Chinaski (user info) at 2004-12-02 16:33:53 EST (#)
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what nerfherder astutely said. you failed us all, .jpg (<--- your new nickname , you earned it for that dollar)
some variants: goat.cx.jpg
Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2004-12-02 15:46:16 EST (#)
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You paid a dollar for this -2.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-02 15:21:43 EST (#)
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"It sounds to me like the Euros and the Aussies are drastically downplaying the American involvement in the two World Wars. Yes, there is no doubt in my mind that all Allies contributed, but it was massive infusion of strength of America entering in 1917/1941 that turned the tide in the Allies' favor in both World Wars. I repeat my previous statement, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of reality. The Allies would have lost World War 2 and have been beaten to bloody stalement in World War 1 if America had not entered. All you Euros would be speaking German on ubersite.de and all you Aussies would be speaking Japanese on ubersite.jp if America wasn't forced into those conflicts."
If it wasn't for Russia the americans would've never been able to open a western front, said an american general. If it wasn't for Britain, Operation Overlord would've been a whole lot more complicated to prepare. If it wasn't for candadians getting massacre at Dieppe, we wouldn't have learn from these mistakes and maybe fail in Normandy, said another general. Hell, if it wasn't for Germany and Japan, there would have been no war in the first place!!! Does those comparisons make your argument sound retarded? Yes! And again, can you please tell us why you're bragging about something that you didn't even contribute to? You weren't there!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-02 14:54:24 EST (#)
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My first 1000+ hit post, and it was contrived for heat with no real basis in reality or actual thought!
WOOO!!!
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-02 14:17:29 EST (#)
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On the upside, lojope, thank-you so much for getting Fetish banned. I love you.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-02 14:16:41 EST (#)
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OK, I think I made it clear before, I couldn't care any less about the comment about Jews/Christians. I was merely pointing that out.
It sounds to me like the Euros and the Aussies are drastically downplaying the American involvement in the two World Wars. Yes, there is no doubt in my mind that all Allies contributed, but it was massive infusion of strength of America entering in 1917/1941 that turned the tide in the Allies' favor in both World Wars. I repeat my previous statement, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of reality. The Allies would have lost World War 2 and have been beaten to bloody stalement in World War 1 if America had not entered. All you Euros would be speaking German on ubersite.de and all you Aussies would be speaking Japanese on ubersite.jp if America wasn't forced into those conflicts.
Submitted by podium (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:39:42 EST (#)
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boooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Submitted by whataefag (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:17:14 EST (#)
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bad analogy.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:28:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:10:23 (#)
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"Ummmmmm... World War 1 and World War 2??? Did you ever consider that, ignoramus?"
Notice that they are called WORLD wars? That means little man, that all countries contributed. Yours just finish the worked in both WWI and WWII after failing to join at the beginnings. France lost more casualties in the single Battle of Verdun than you lost in both world wars, Russia also loss millions of men in both world wars, the Commonwealth lost its fair share of people too, every country who were under occupation loss countless civilians. These could all have been americans if you had faced the enemy alone.
While everyone is grateful and agrees you did a great part in accelerating the outcomes of these wars, also consider yourself lucky that this war wasn't brought on your soil and that you only had to contribute.
Ignoring the sacrifice other nations did is an insult to all the people who suffered during both of these wars. And taking credit for the effort your countrymen did decades ago is simply retarded since you're here, sitting at a computer, being a little bitch. Not saving anyone's ass.
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God Almighty, I love you more each day!
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:14:31 EST (#)
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I can't remember if I rated this.
If I did, go with my previous review. If not, you are wrong.
-2.
Submitted by Mitchell (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:02:21 EST (#)
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you want me to read ALL that?!
Submitted by Iago (user info) at 2004-12-02 10:44:01 EST (#)
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AAAARGHHH!!
'we saved your asses time and time again.' MY GOD! does arrogance and misguided opinion know no bounds? as a brit, i find this particulary offensive!
Im so peeved by this i cant even express it!
-2 DIE
DIE
DIE
DIE
Submitted by one50bpm (user info) at 2004-12-02 10:32:33 EST (#)
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You my friend are a moron.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-02 10:24:50 EST (#)
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What about when Great Britain was struggling alone under the onslaught of the Luftwaffe in 1940? The US was the only country that was supplying them with war aid. If not for that war aid, Great Britain would have lost (sorry Stin).
Also, on November 8, 1942, US landings in Operation Torch effectivly opened a second front, forcing Germany to take forces away from Russia. Before Torch, the Russians were ready to capitulate. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of logistics and reality. Germany was waging a war of attrition and the only way Germany could be defeated was if the US entered the war on the Allies' side.
World War I. In 1917, the US entered the war on the Allies' side. This entry coincided with Russia surrendering. The Americans arriving in 1917 offset the huge wave of reinforcements the Germans were sending over from Russia.
America made the difference in both World Wars.
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Weapon & equipment sales is not exactly a sacrifice since it's profitable.
Plus, Captain Retard, let me repeat:
"While everyone is grateful and agrees you did a great part in accelerating the outcomes of these wars"
No one is denying that U.S. did a great deal. But maybe it's time that you guys realize that also many countries sacrificed a lot in these wars, oftenly more than you did.
Why are you so stupid?
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-12-02 07:50:47 EST (#)
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You yanks think you fucking saved everyone.
I'd say that America saves Israel as opposed to Christians saving Jews.. I'm Aussie, a Christian nation. We all (majority) think Israel is a piece of shit.. We don't support it. Only Americans do.
But good enough observation, +2.
Submitted by Flying_buttmonkey (user info) at 2004-12-02 07:30:57 EST (#)
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Do you reckon Bart will give us a 'Morons List' to go just beneath the MVA?
Cut and paste Caul's response here ----->
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2004-12-02 03:43:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-01 19:53:25 (#)
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You fucking idiot. Have you ever seen Saving Private Ryan? That was Omaha Beach. We lost 90% of the first wave and about 40% of the second wave. Casualties were like 1500 men in a few hours. Go back to 8th grade history.
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You're the fucking idiot. Saving Private Ryan?
I was talking about Utah being the easier of the 5 beaches, i.e. Hitlers Atlantic wall was near non-existant at this point, the terrain was a gentle slope and there were no buildings to shelter the defenders.
The only problem with Utah beach was the raised causeways behind it which needed to be secured to allow supplies through.
8th grade history is better than a Blockbuster education. Retard.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-02 03:14:39 EST (#)
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THE JEWS CRUCIFIED JESUS!
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Well since jesus was a jew, I blame jesus for jesus's Death!!!
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2004-12-02 02:16:49 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Jo_of_the_golden_P (user info) at 2004-12-02 01:50:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:00:10 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:57:34 (#)
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I'm guessing you're trying to say that Brits oppressed Americans and that you saved their asses in both world wars, like most americans think they did.
So by your logic, Jews oppressed Christians? And Christians saved their asses? What the fuck are you blabbering about?
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THE JEWS CRUCIFIED JESUS! That's pretty fucking oppressive. But we saved the Jews from the Holocaust.
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ok, just read the rest of the comments and adjusted my rating accordingly. Since no one else has said it: Umm...no they fucking didn't. The goddamn Romans did.
Submitted by Jo_of_the_golden_P (user info) at 2004-12-02 01:47:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-02 01:07:40 (#)
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Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-12-02 00:56:28 (#)
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When was the last time Christians saved Jew's asses you sick piece of dogshit?
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Holocaust? That thing? Ya know? The single greatest genocide in the history of the world? They were liberated by Christian nations (And yes, Russia still practiced the Orthodox faith under Stalinism, albeit illegally). If it weren't for the US, Great Britain, and Russia, the Jews would be an endangered race, or at least more endangered than they are today.
But in all honesty, I look at the liberation of the Holocaust not as Christians making reconciliation with the Jews, but as good people (at least better than Hitler) putting a stop to madness. However, the armies were overwhelmingly Christian, coincidentially.
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The Church's OFFICIAL stance of non-involvement, is, of course, irrelevant, right? And they didn't fight WW2 to save the Jews, they did it to save France.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-02 01:07:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-12-02 00:56:28 (#)
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When was the last time Christians saved Jew's asses you sick piece of dogshit?
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Holocaust? That thing? Ya know? The single greatest genocide in the history of the world? They were liberated by Christian nations (And yes, Russia still practiced the Orthodox faith under Stalinism, albeit illegally). If it weren't for the US, Great Britain, and Russia, the Jews would be an endangered race, or at least more endangered than they are today.
But in all honesty, I look at the liberation of the Holocaust not as Christians making reconciliation with the Jews, but as good people (at least better than Hitler) putting a stop to madness. However, the armies were overwhelmingly Christian, coincidentially.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-02 01:00:01 EST (#)
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Hmmmm... so no one has a rational counter to my point, other than that stupid Tom Hanks comment. I swear, you all need to brush up on your history.
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-12-02 00:56:28 EST (#)
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When was the last time Christians saved Jew's asses you sick piece of dogshit?
Submitted by Lazarus (user info) at 2004-12-02 00:54:49 EST (#)
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There is a grain of truth to this.
Israel is an albatross around America's neck.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-02 00:45:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2004-12-01 20:44:16 (#)
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Never believe a man who bases his argument on a Tom Hanks movie....chances are, he's an idiot.
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I was using that as an example to show that he left out the most significant American event on D-Day, which was Omaha Beach.
But you wouldn't know that, would you?
Submitted by RouteTwo (user info) at 2004-12-01 23:31:30 EST (#)
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wtf? i'm not reading all that!
Submitted by xtremecowboy (user info) at 2004-12-01 20:48:49 EST (#)
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-2 for inflaming British pride so that they (understandably) lash out.
Submitted by xtremecowboy (user info) at 2004-12-01 20:47:36 EST (#)
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+2 for misguided opinions on both sides of the issue
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2004-12-01 20:44:16 EST (#)
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Never believe a man who bases his argument on a Tom Hanks movie....chances are, he's an idiot.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-01 19:57:38 EST (#)
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And no, with the exception of maybe a few hundred defectors and mercenaries, America was fighting for the Allies by a margin of like 100,000:1.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-01 19:53:25 EST (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:16:09 (#)
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Stupid and narrow minded.
How did america save Britain in WW1? You had men fighting on both sides.
How did america save Britain in WW2? You had men fighting on both sides. Overlord? Utah beach was the kiddie slope compared to the ones the British and Canadians had to take.
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You fucking idiot. Have you ever seen Saving Private Ryan? That was Omaha Beach. We lost 90% of the first wave and about 40% of the second wave. Casualties were like 1500 men in a few hours. Go back to 8th grade history.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-01 19:49:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:10:23 (#)
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"Ummmmmm... World War 1 and World War 2??? Did you ever consider that, ignoramus?"
Notice that they are called WORLD wars? That means little man, that all countries contributed. Yours just finish the worked in both WWI and WWII after failing to join at the beginnings. France lost more casualties in the single Battle of Verdun than you lost in both world wars, Russia also loss millions of men in both world wars, the Commonwealth lost its fair share of people too, every country who were under occupation loss countless civilians. These could all have been americans if you had faced the enemy alone.
While everyone is grateful and agrees you did a great part in accelerating the outcomes of these wars, also consider yourself lucky that this war wasn't brought on your soil and that you only had to contribute.
Ignoring the sacrifice other nations did is an insult to all the people who suffered during both of these wars. And taking credit for the effort your countrymen did decades ago is simply retarded since you're here, sitting at a computer, being a little bitch. Not saving anyone's ass.
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What about when Great Britain was struggling alone under the onslaught of the Luftwaffe in 1940? The US was the only country that was supplying them with war aid. If not for that war aid, Great Britain would have lost (sorry Stin).
Also, on November 8, 1942, US landings in Operation Torch effectivly opened a second front, forcing Germany to take forces away from Russia. Before Torch, the Russians were ready to capitulate. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of logistics and reality. Germany was waging a war of attrition and the only way Germany could be defeated was if the US entered the war on the Allies' side.
World War I. In 1917, the US entered the war on the Allies' side. This entry coincided with Russia surrendering. The Americans arriving in 1917 offset the huge wave of reinforcements the Germans were sending over from Russia.
America made the difference in both World Wars.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-01 18:49:31 EST (#)
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And that is why I don't hate you.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 18:33:41 EST (#)
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alot of them from me
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-01 18:22:21 EST (#)
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BUt it was interesting to see the spurts of comments... Nothing for an hour, then 6-7 quickly...
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2004-12-01 17:49:11 EST (#)
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You didn't deserve this.
This deserved long term anonymity.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-12-01 15:50:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-01 15:20:36 EST (#)
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wooohoooooo!!!!!!!!
Only 1 hr and 20 minutes after I had guessed!!!
*and there was much rejoicing*
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 15:15:10 EST (#)
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you made it now!
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-12-01 15:15:02 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2004-12-01 15:13:48 EST (#)
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Creative
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-01 15:08:36 EST (#)
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*sniffle*
couldn't make it to Most Heated...
Oh well....
I wonder, will I make it by 5PM MST?
Submitted by Kopesh (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:57:09 EST (#)
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Collonial barbarian....
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:33:20 EST (#)
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Casualties on the British beaches were roughly 1000 on Gold Beach and the same number on Sword Beach. The remainder of the British losses were amongst the airborne troops: some 600 were killed or wounded, and 600 more were missing; 100 glider pilots also became casualties. The losses of 3rd Canadian Division at Juno Beach have been given as 340 killed, 574 wounded and 47 taken prisoner.
The breakdown of US casualties was 1465 dead, 3184 wounded, 1928 missing and 26 captured. Of the total US figure, 2499 casualties were from the US airborne troops (238 of them being deaths). The casualties at Utah Beach were relatively light: 197, including 60 missing. However, the US 1st and 29th Divisions together suffered around 2000 casualties at Omaha Beach.
The total German casualties on D-Day are not known, but are estimated as being between 4000 and 9000 men.
Source: http://www.talkingproud.us/HistoryDDAY60th.html
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:28:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:07:18 (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:06:37 (#)
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crap meant to give -2
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:07:51 EST (#)
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and that should about do it.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:07:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:06:56 (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:06:37 (#)
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crap meant to give -2
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crap meant to give -2
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crap meant to give -2
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-01 14:06:21 EST (#)
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interesting
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2004-12-01 13:56:26 EST (#)
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Heat.
You've still got seven minutes by my watch.
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2004-12-01 13:55:42 EST (#)
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heat.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2004-12-01 13:45:50 EST (#)
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How exactly did you save our asses?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-01 13:05:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by RamJetMax (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:24:38 (#)
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most heated by noon CT
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That's the kinda goal.
Although I just want to get on the list by noon MST...
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2004-12-01 13:04:31 EST (#)
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Both sides of this arguement are just overflowing with lies and false knowledge....
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:58:58 EST (#)
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Best Caul Reviews ever.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:54:43 EST (#)
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**Go suck a Virgin Mary Grilled Cheese Sandwich **
AHAHAHAHAHA
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:48:39 EST (#)
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Moron.
Go suck a Virgin Mary Grilled Cheese Sandwich
Submitted by sublime (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:35:54 EST (#)
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you can tell caul is worked up, because he isn't correcting his english
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:32:03 EST (#)
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I was right, I got flamed.
Please read the last sentence again...
"The bad thing, I'm not sure if I'm kidding, but I think I am..."
Yes, I was joking...
Jiminy Christmas...
But that's a pretty good ratio of comments to hits, no?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:30:19 EST (#)
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"THE JEWS CRUCIFIED JESUS! That's pretty fucking oppressive."
Wow, you're stupid. Reading this comment caused a few of my brain cells to melt.
"But we saved the Jews from the Holocaust."
Holy shit, you're stupid. The Church massacred more jews than Hitler did, idiot. Have a little read on the pope Piux XII m'kay? And guess what, germans are christians too! So were the french crusaders who massacre jews by the hundreds. And so on...
Now go bitch slap an Iraqi and tell us how a beheading feels like.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:28:52 EST (#)
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Thank you Caulaincourt. I also think it's time to let Europe off the hook for the Marshall Plan.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:26:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:16:09 (#)
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Stupid and narrow minded.
How did america save Britain in WW1? You had men fighting on both sides.
How did america save Britain in WW2? You had men fighting on both sides. Overlord? Utah beach was the kiddie slope compared to the ones the British and Canadians had to take.
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Care to explain the "both sides" thing? Do you mean both theaters of the war, or both sides of the lines? If the latter, can you cite some examples?
This post is crap, but if there are some new facts about the wars, I would be open to learning
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:25:14 EST (#)
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This piece of excrement makes your last post look like Romeo and Juliet.
Submitted by RamJetMax (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:24:38 EST (#)
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most heated by noon CT
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:18:32 EST (#)
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Fuck my comment. Caulaincourt summed it up perfectly.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:16:09 EST (#)
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Stupid and narrow minded.
How did america save Britain in WW1? You had men fighting on both sides.
How did america save Britain in WW2? You had men fighting on both sides. Overlord? Utah beach was the kiddie slope compared to the ones the British and Canadians had to take.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:15:31 EST (#)
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Well, this sure fucking stank.
Submitted by Martyn_Steiner (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:15:02 EST (#)
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Good try, but it doesn't actually make any sense, does it?
Awww... Sweetie.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:12:26 EST (#)
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When did the US oppress Brits?
no, sorry but this makes no sense
I may be wrong about this, but I believe we have you guys to thank for Iraq anyway.
no, not the war, the country
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:10:23 EST (#)
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"Ummmmmm... World War 1 and World War 2??? Did you ever consider that, ignoramus?"
Notice that they are called WORLD wars? That means little man, that all countries contributed. Yours just finish the worked in both WWI and WWII after failing to join at the beginnings. France lost more casualties in the single Battle of Verdun than you lost in both world wars, Russia also loss millions of men in both world wars, the Commonwealth lost its fair share of people too, every country who were under occupation loss countless civilians. These could all have been americans if you had faced the enemy alone.
While everyone is grateful and agrees you did a great part in accelerating the outcomes of these wars, also consider yourself lucky that this war wasn't brought on your soil and that you only had to contribute.
Ignoring the sacrifice other nations did is an insult to all the people who suffered during both of these wars. And taking credit for the effort your countrymen did decades ago is simply retarded since you're here, sitting at a computer, being a little bitch. Not saving anyone's ass.
Submitted by JohnnyACDC (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:07:59 EST (#)
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jews opressed christians?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:07:41 EST (#)
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blah, blah, blah, god save the queen, blah, blah, kill yourself.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:06:15 EST (#)
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We never tried to end america. though its not a bad idea.
and although you were an enourmous help in the wars we could have done it without you, if anyone saved us it was the russians.
Well they saved us the second time anyway. Damn quiters.
Submitted by Bigmike (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:05:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:57:40 (#)
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I think you've got your analogy backwards there, hoss.
Big Jay, are you really Dan Blocker?
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:05:49 EST (#)
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Well done.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:05:11 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:03:42 EST (#)
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Could have been good with a little thought.
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:02:56 EST (#)
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bad analogy
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-01 12:00:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:57:34 (#)
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I'm guessing you're trying to say that Brits oppressed Americans and that you saved their asses in both world wars, like most americans think they did.
So by your logic, Jews oppressed Christians? And Christians saved their asses? What the fuck are you blabbering about?
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THE JEWS CRUCIFIED JESUS! That's pretty fucking oppressive. But we saved the Jews from the Holocaust.
Submitted by triple_optics (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:58:41 EST (#)
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i can see where you're going with this, but lets look at the iraq situation.
The American troops couldn't handle it, so little old Britian came to help.
It's a two way street.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:58:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:56:08 (#)
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How did america save Britain?
Notice the capitalisation of those two proper nouns.
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Ummmmmm... World War 1 and World War 2??? Did you ever consider that, ignoramus?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:57:40 EST (#)
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I think you've got your analogy backwards there, hoss.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:57:34 EST (#)
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I'm guessing you're trying to say that Brits oppressed Americans and that you saved their asses in both world wars, like most americans think they did.
So by your logic, Jews oppressed Christians? And Christians saved their asses? What the fuck are you blabbering about?
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:56:08 EST (#)
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How did america save Britain?
Notice the capitalisation of those two proper nouns.
Submitted by WhatTheHell (user info) at 2004-12-01 11:55:08 EST (#)
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yea....thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.