Medical Marijuana (1403 hits)
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Submitted by Thrice Palermo (View user info) at 2004-12-02 11:00:59 EST
Doctors can legally prescribe many dangerous drugs.
Doctors can legally prescribe drugs that, when taken in excess, will cause death.
Doctors can legally prescribe drugs that, during normal use, cause habituation and require withdrawl.
Can anyone here come up with a sincere statement in support of the governments ban on the use of medical marijuana?
My own belief is that the drug companies lobby against the legalization of medical marijuana because its use will cause sick people to buy less medicine.
Follow the money.
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Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-12-03 10:55:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by thricepalermo (user info) at 2004-12-03 01:09:36 (#)
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Great dialog but I notice that the pro control statements tended to be knee jerk and not written with supporting statements.
Thought it would be so.
In my experience pot smokers tend to be more methodical and reasoned in their thinking. IMHO, a person who lives in our time and has never smoked pot and/or is not open to the possibility that it might have a benefit is either a fool or is ruled by fear.
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You know, I fucking resent that. Where the fuck are your supporting statements that aren't opinions, as if you were a scientist? I just took the side of anti-legalization for the sake of conversation, and you want to call me a closed minded, unreasonable fool? Why dont you actually read the comments on your post before you open your mouth and say more stupid shit like that again.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-12-03 02:51:44 EST (#)
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MJ is good for you in moderation. It should be a perscribable drug everywhere that it isn't already.
Submitted by NSFW (user info) at 2004-12-03 02:33:13 EST (#)
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http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/;jsessionid=NOHICDPDBPLC
has waaaaaaaaay more evidence both good and bad backed by actual fact than this whole thread
Submitted by Return_Of_Surge (user info) at 2004-12-03 01:40:34 EST (#)
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what about medical crack? look at this... http://www.ubersite.com/m/53310
Submitted by sword (user info) at 2004-12-03 01:36:58 EST (#)
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"My own belief is that the drug companies lobby against the legalization of medical marijuana because its use will cause sick people to buy less medicine"
That doesn't make any sense. If you have a popular drug that does many good things with no dangerous side effects it is logical to believe that you can make more money by selling it rather then banning it. If the government and big business were only after money wouldn't a more sensible approach be legalizing marajauna as alchool is legal?
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2004-12-03 01:29:53 EST (#)
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Congratulations on writing a post on a controversial subject for the sole reason of making it on most heated. I admire that.
Submitted by thricepalermo (user info) at 2004-12-03 01:09:36 EST (#)
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Great dialog but I notice that the pro control statements tended to be knee jerk and not written with supporting statements.
Thought it would be so.
In my experience pot smokers tend to be more methodical and reasoned in their thinking. IMHO, a person who lives in our time and has never smoked pot and/or is not open to the possibility that it might have a benefit is either a fool or is ruled by fear.
Submitted by Ranx05 (user info) at 2004-12-02 18:11:27 EST (#)
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Seanfogy--Another problem with marinol pills is they are only THC. Whole marijuana contains scores of cannabinoids, THC and cannabidiol being some of the better characterized ones. I read once a while back that whole cannabis was found to be more effective than marinol pills in a study. THC certainly has some benefit, but it's not the "only chemical out of thousands."
Anyway, the point is, if you want the best medical benefit without the side effects of smoking, you can vaporize, and you can cook. Fuck spending hundreds of dollars on a marinol prescription when you could grow a few ounces for a fraction of the cost.
Submitted by big_wigger (user info) at 2004-12-02 14:09:24 EST (#)
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One of my favorite things in life is to take a nice big bong toke then go trail running, i get into this zone where half of my brain is working on where to put my foot next, controlling my breathing etc. while the other half is coming up with creative endeavors, philosophizing about sociology and the human condition and enjoying being a living breathing creature interacting with the environment on a basic bipedal level....obviously i smoke way too much weed.....BUT i've been diagnosed with having severe Adult ADHD and smoking a little bud helps counter the side-affects of my prescribed medicine such as low appetite & insomnia. Also, I know alot of people say it makes them lazy but I like to work out while high. And it makes me horny.
JUST SAY NO! (to smoking resin)
Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:37:08 EST (#)
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Why not let them have brownies? I agree.
As far as smoking it for medical purposes, i think thats insane. Sure, give an old granny some bud to smoke for her glaucoma. It may help her eyes, she wont get cancer before she dies of other causes but will cause her to suffer in other areas such as breathing. Why cause her more problems when you could just give her eye drops?
Submitted by SAECULUM.AUREUM (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:32:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by dohnuts (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:24:42 EST (#)
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Actually, I should qualify that last bit. Some argue that injecting THC is more effective, but it is believed that there are other chemicals in marijuana smoke that are converted to THC when they reach the brain, and those chemicals are absent when THC is extracted and injected.
Ah well, whatever. I don't expect to see it legalized in my lifetime anyway.
Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:16:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:01:33 (#)
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Marijuanna is a proven vaso-diolator, and actually helps prevent cancer. Check your facts
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Yeah, because carbon monoxide is really good for you. Not marijuana, but THC helps destroy tumors. Injecting THC into rats destroyed their tumors. Thats one chemical in marijuana, out of thousands.
Don't tell me to check my facts, nutsack.
Submitted by dohnuts (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:14:59 EST (#)
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Nope. I've had far more than my fair share of THC in all of its many forms. Pot brownies seem more potent because you're ingesting more THC. Absorption into the blood via the lungs is, and most likely always will be, the most efficient route of administration. I promise. I've studied neuropsychopharmacology, both informally and formally--if you get what I'm saying--for years.
Regardless, given the fact that we agree on the efficacy of pot brownies, why not let medical patients have pot brownies instead of pills? I know which one I prefer. And so do most of the patients that have had both. That bring us back to the pharmaceutical companies...
Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:06:27 EST (#)
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And about that whole bit about ingesting THC. I dont know shit about the pills. I didnt even know there were pills (if you look at my first reply), but that whole "less effective" bit is dead wrong partner. If you have ever eaten bud brownies you would know that the high is far stronger, it just takes longer to hit you. The same goes for just popping a bud in your mouth.
I bet the rats didnt tell you that, did they?
Submitted by thaumaturge (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:05:56 EST (#)
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Have you ever seen the film "Grass"?
They document the history of pots legality in the U.S. The makers of that film derive that the fear and revilement of pot is based on the fact the U.S. gov't has spent billions and billions of dollars advertising the dangers of it. One of those dangers (in the beginning of it's illegal inception) was that it caused permanant insanity.
It's origins of becoming illegal stem from the manifest destiny wars with the mexicans, who smoked it regularly throughout time. The army felt that it gave them "super powers" and must be abolished.
Money is now the main problem, and yes, I do believe that the powers may be benefit from it as much as they lobby against it. To wit!
Submitted by whataefag (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:04:15 EST (#)
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Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:01:33 EST (#)
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Marijuanna is a proven vaso-diolator, and actually helps prevent cancer. Check your facts.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2004-12-02 13:00:07 EST (#)
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The government is the drug dealer. If pot was legal, they'd lose one of their biggest sources of income.
Submitted by dohnuts (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:58:01 EST (#)
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Not to put too fine a point on it...but what I'm really saying is, there is not a single documented case of cancer or any type of mortality attributed to marijuana, even among the naturalistic observation studies done in populations where regular marijuana use over several decades is the norm.
Above and beyond that, there are many many doctors who are willing to prescribe medical marijuana despite its illegal status, becuase they are well aware of its well-documented therapeutic benefits. And there are countless more doctors who would prescribe marijuana for the same reasons, but are afraid to do so because its illegal.
I think its very telling that the world's top pharmaceutical researchers almost always come down on the side of legalizing marijuana for medical use, and the one's that don't are almost always tied to either a pharmaceutical company or a group trying to advance some type of "moral" agenda.
Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:49:22 EST (#)
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dohnuts,
That may be true that one would have to smoke 10-12 joints a day to see any cancerous effects, but in the same light, who the fuck smokes one or two cigarettes? Who the fuck smokes 10-12 joints? Somebody who needs to find a new dealer, because they're getting some shitty bud.
Getting back to what I was saying, they both DO cause cancer in the same sense. They both contain chemicals that are known to cause cancer. That is a fact, and even you said it.
Submitted by dohnuts (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:20:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:56:12 (#)
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how about because marijuana causes cancer in the very same sense that cigarettes do.
the only way i could see a doctor prescribing something that will eventually kill a patient, is to someone who is going to die in 5 years or so and wont have the chance to get cancer.
but here's a thought, THC is not believed to be a carcinogen so why not THC pills?
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Marijuana does not cause cancer in the very same sense that cigarettes do. Cigarettes' carcinogenic qualities are potentiated by the myriad chemical additives they contain.
In fact, according to the last half a dozen or so studies I've had to look at, a human would have to smoke 10 to 12 joints a day, every day for 10 years, before the cancerous effects seen in rats would develop.
THC pills are far less effective than smoking marijuana. Absortion into the blood via the lungs is by far the most efficient route of THC administration. And if cancer is truly a concern, marijuana can be prepared and consumed in plenty of edible forms, which bypasses the need for THC pills...which are, at the end of the day, just another way for pharmaceutical companies to corner another market.
And that's what the ban on medical marijuana boils down to--powerful pharmaceutical companies and their lobbyists that are able to keep politicians in their pockets and dictate public health policy.
Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:20:21 EST (#)
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http://www.news-medical.net/?id=5900
So apparently marijuana has more medical potential than us stoners thought.
Personally, I think marijuana should be regulated the same as alcohol, legal to people over 21. I also think that driving high should be illegal, although I don't know how of an accurate way to measure how high a person is other than ask them "what were we just talking about?". That will stump a stoner every time.
Submitted by ZeroSignal (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:17:26 EST (#)
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"Because they haven't found a way to tax that stuff yet...or control the market for that matter."
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=marijuana+tax+stamp&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&fr=FP-tab-img-t&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8
"how about because marijuana causes cancer in the very same sense that cigarettes do."
You can get high without smoking. Ever hear of a vaporizer or pot brownies? No smoke, no cancer.
"but here's a thought, THC is not believed to be a carcinogen so why not THC pills?"
They have them, they're called marinol.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:06:28 EST (#)
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Can anyone here come up with a sincere statement in support of the governments ban on the use of medical marijuana?
No I cannot.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-12-02 12:03:53 EST (#)
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Well duh. That's why it was banned in the first place. I mean shit, compare weed to morphine.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:59:10 EST (#)
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Because they haven't found a way to tax that stuff yet...or control the market for that matter.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:58:36 EST (#)
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Plus fucking two!
And another one later, for giving Kai a chance to whore Wheelchair Weed again.
Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:56:12 EST (#)
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how about because marijuana causes cancer in the very same sense that cigarettes do.
the only way i could see a doctor prescribing something that will eventually kill a patient, is to someone who is going to die in 5 years or so and wont have the chance to get cancer.
but here's a thought, THC is not believed to be a carcinogen so why not THC pills?
Submitted by hyprspacd (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:27:46 EST (#)
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"My own belief is that the drug companies lobby against the legalization of medical marijuana because its use will cause sick people to buy less medicine"
That and the fact that people can grow their OWN weed and wouldn't necessarily need the drug companies stuff.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:25:20 EST (#)
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Kai, you're such a hit-whore.
Did you get my mail??
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:22:02 EST (#)
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The real story on Wheelchair Weed: http://www.ubersite.com/m/52522
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:19:03 EST (#)
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+2, feel for your mum dude... +2 legalise pot for christs sake, there's nothing wrong with it.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:16:36 EST (#)
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I believe the ONLY reason the government won't legalize
marijuana is because they cannot regulate it. Therefore
they won't make money on it.
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:11:09 EST (#)
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I think the media went baserk in the 50s/60s or whenever, and persuaded everyone it was the root of all evil. Most of the younger generation, who weren't subjected to this garbage, have a sensible view on it.
The media done the same with ecstasy, about 10/15 years ago or whenever, after someone died. leah Betts i think her name was. She'd panicked and drunk about 20/30 pints of water if i remember rightly. The media felt this information wasn't that interesting, or inline with there scare mongering tactics. So there's people of all ages still believe it's dangerous.
Submitted by thricepalermo (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:09:30 EST (#)
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RE the gateway drug thing. I am talking about medical marijuana, not total legalization. I dont really care about total legalization. I think thaht all of the people who want to smoke pot for fun can get it now and arent too worried about being busted.
I am more talking about people like my mother who might benefit (degenerative bode disease) from using pot but wont because she refuses to break the law.
Submitted by Mitchell (user info) at 2004-12-02 11:04:33 EST (#)
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people are to afraid that it's a 'gateway' drug. you let doctors perscribe it, then, in theory, they want something stronger. which is bullshit, but try convincing these masses