Code Red Bitch Alert (1025 hits)
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Submitted by <tempeststorm.at.geocities.com> (View user info) at 2003-02-18 17:04:53 EST
Funny, these men vs. women discussions have been so popular on ubersite lately and I just got called a bitch. hooorahhh! And why? Because I'm a squeaky wheel. Because I like to argue. Because I'm going to law school and I like to be able to read different views and represent what I believe in, and dissect arguments that aren't well founded.
Isn't it interesting when a woman is assertive and eager to offer opinions to male counterparts, she becomes a 'bitch.' Truly, it reminds me of reading "Reviving Ophelia" when I was a teen-ager, because some guy at school called me a bitch when I was honest with him about something or other. What makes a woman acceptable? Passive tendencies? Do people only say "What a nice girl" about girls that aren't career oriented or assertive?
Is a woman allowed to be argumentative in an intellectual forum (which occasionally ubersite aspires to...occasionally) and have a disagreement with someone without being a bitch? Great question for ubersite I think...
Where is the line drawn? I think of a bitch as someone that is purposely harmful and attempts to do things to make others lives worse. I never do that, unless trying to point out to someone that they may be overlooking something (which they can similarly do to me).
sky
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:11:34 EDT (#)
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I thought I would delve back into the history of uber to see all the quality posts there were in the old days before all us peasants arrived and made it rubbish.
Submitted by PeopleAreStrange (user info) at 2003-02-20 18:21:00 EST (#)
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Life's a bitch and so am I. :o)
I like that the female presence on Ubersite has become far more vocal of late.
PAS
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-20 16:53:45 EST (#)
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My gender shouldn't matter anyway..
Unless of course, you're biased..
Submitted by streetpunk (user info) at 2003-02-20 16:52:03 EST (#)
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OICU812, how can you be respected with a name ripped off of a Van Halen album?
Peace,
STREETPUNK
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-20 16:43:41 EST (#)
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being called a bitch isn't a big deal, i just thought it would be nice to discuss why women, when they disagree, automatically become 'bitches' or 'sluts', etc.
i think cat's a boy. I'm pretty sure actually.
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-02-20 16:38:09 EST (#)
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you got called a bitch. i am sorry sky. you don't sound like a bitch from this post.
my post about the manager was more of rant rather than men vs pussy argument. (little girl manager was just too uptight in my point of view but hey, fuck the manager)
i still like cat the best of all the ppl here. we see eye to eye from what i read from her post.
~~~~Indian Ocean~~~~
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2003-02-19 20:03:35 EST (#)
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I was discussing this last night over dinner with a friend who is not only a barrister (I think trial lawyer for Americans) but also a feminist academic. (FYI - she is straight, married with two boys, gorgeous, 40's, very sweet and funny.)
Her belief was societal changes over the past 50 years have emasculated (from the traditional sense) many men, for many reasons, the two most obvious:
1. equalling of the sexes, altering the perception of status roles, challenging the competitive male ego and providing frustration, and
2. reduction in manual labour work - both in sense of roles and perceived value. As male dominated manual labour reduced, it lead to more roles in technology and skill based work, where women have traditionally fared well.
She also noted that 60% of Australian university students are female and last year's graduating law class was 63% female, medicine graduates 65% female... I'll just take that at face value because I don't have a reason to doubt her, nor could I be bothered.
Misogynists still exist and need to use whatever tactics they can to feel elevated over empowered women; ergo small balls = big mouths.
Then she told a hilarious fart joke and we all called her a bitch.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-02-19 10:32:39 EST (#)
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:) right on loren.
"Anyway, if you are strong and assertive you will have to learn to deal with being called a bitch. BTW, deal with DOES NOT equal accept. " --- JP, in that case, being a bitch is fine.
it's funny how this word is thrown around, which is precisely why I mentioned it. Other words that some men throw around about women, with no clear conception of what they're trying to communicate: slut (wonderful double standard there), whore, fat ____ , etc...
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-02-19 10:01:28 EST (#)
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Bitch is so played out. Nobody (especially the idiots that use it), have any idea what they are trying to get across anymore (if ever). Christ, guys are calling guys bitches. That makes sense.
The only way it bothers anyone is when they pick their own definition of it, their perception. These are people who want to get angry and offended.
Here's what I think:
As far as "boys" calling women bitches, I witness it when they've been dumped, or have their fragile egos hurt when a woman won't return their advances, hence the "evil bitch whore." If he feels like he's been outsmarted in a conversation/debate, then it's "stupid fucking bitch." The list goes on.
SO - "BITCH" users - I say: KNOCK yourselves OUT! I still win, because? I don't give a shit.
Bitch, oops, I meant
Loren
Submitted by JARHOLE at 2003-02-19 01:27:08 EST (#)
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im picking my scabs
Submitted by _JP (user info) at 2003-02-19 00:26:21 EST (#)
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Yea, this is a patriarchal society and has been so for many years. For the last 30 women have been on the road to more power and equality, but we aren't there yet. We still like our women quiet and submissive. If she's different she's a bitch. I'm representing society's views here, not mine. I like a strong, independent woman. Anyway, if you are strong and assertive you will have to learn to deal with being called a bitch. BTW, deal with DOES NOT equal accept.
Anyway, there are lots of good lawyers. Most people opinions about lawyers are due to trial lawyers, which is not representative of lawyers on the whole. There a saying in the law communities, "Trial lawyers are the lawyers that weren't good enough to get a real job." Most trial lawyers were toward the bottom of their class (there are many exceptions). Imagine if people judged your field by the lowest 25%.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2003-02-18 21:07:17 EST (#)
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Mr NY is right - schooling in the law is one thing. Career lawyers are paid to represent a point of view for their client(s). This does take understanding and taking to task both sides of all issues incurred, but it's an ignoble profession by many means.
Yes, I have undertaken some legal training, but I would not become a lawyer for World peace. Legal training can be a hell of an asset in many other careers.
Doesn't make YOU a bitch, though.
Submitted by scott_ny (user info) at 2003-02-18 20:56:56 EST (#)
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Law school? Change your vocation or drop your arguement. Why? Lawyers don't argue or have sides. Lawyers think rules and law are a challenge. A thing to manipulate. Just like a basketball player fouling the opponent to gain a tactical advantage, you study the law to find ways to use them to your advantage, not because your actions are 'just' but because you just want to prove you're clever.
Are you a bitch? naaah lawyers are worse.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2003-02-18 20:20:40 EST (#)
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I have respect from those whom I respect.
To you fuckers, I remain indifferent.
Is that better?
Submitted by OICU812 (user info) at 2003-02-18 19:17:27 EST (#)
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How can you be respected with a name like Hairsphincter?
Submitted by lodnem (user info) at 2003-02-18 18:51:03 EST (#)
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Where is the line drawn? I think of a bitch as someone that is purposely harmful and attempts to do things to make others lives worse. I never do that, unless trying to point out to someone that they may be overlooking something (which they can similarly do to me).
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it would take a real bitch to wish to make someone else's life worse under any circumstance.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-02-18 18:43:07 EST (#)
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I think if you actually argued, you'd be respected more.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2003-02-18 18:20:35 EST (#)
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Foul temptress. I'll bet she thinks Ziggy's gotten too preachy, too!
-- Homer Simpson
The Last Temptation of Homer