Uber!!! Contest to fuck up the ignorant (religion) (3901 hits)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (View user info) at 2004-12-09 14:35:14 EST
I know i am retarded on this site but reading the separation of church and state post i realized something. you are a bunch of ignorant son's of bitches. so without furthur ado i woulod like anyone on this site who thinks he can stump me with a biblical question or has a legitimate question they can ask me and if anyone stumps me which i doubt then ill send you my kidney VIA Mexico Airlines.
Because honsetly you guys are stammering a bunch of shit about religion that you dont know anything about.A wise man once said "...a little truth can be dangerous in the minds of the simple". Also, you hardcore atheist are just a bunch or pawns. I can't prove god or anything so don't ask me too but i know more about the atheist movement without google searching "Atheist" than any of you ever will.
im not a Advocate for religion running the government and im not church or anything but im smarter than you. yes i can't spell, punctuate, use grammar correctly but i know more about this than anyone i have ever met. So if there does happen to be a person on this site that think they can debate with me i would appreciate it greatly.
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Submitted by big_wigger (user info) at 2004-12-20 14:14:14 EST (#)
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Debate this: Religeon has been the driving force behind most of the mass atrocities that have accourred amongst the human race over the last 2 thousand years.
Submitted by ze_poodle (user info) at 2004-12-15 17:30:23 EST (#)
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Ahem. This may take some time.
Your argument is poorly written. I will not focus on that. I have seen worse, hard as that may be to believe. I have seen more ferverent, in the style of Jack T. Chick and William Schnoebelen. Suffice to say that if you can formulate an answer that I can comprehend, perhaps I will take you seriously. Until that time, you shall have to be content with my own special brand of mindless rambling.
I shall start by dissecting your post into its component molecules and taking great care in slowly mauling your ideas and your arguments, ripping them apart with the utmost epitome of sadistic glee.
"i know i am retarded on this site but reading the separation of church and state post i realized something."
Poor grammar aside, you have already admitted that you are retarded. Which was not necessary, as a blind goat could come to that conclusion with little difficulty. I too, have read this seperation of church and state post and dismissed it as it has nothing to do with me. It also has nothing to do with the rest of your post. Go figure.
"you are a bunch of ignorant son's of bitches."
Ah. Always start with an insult, that's the time-proven way to make yourself seem like a educated and respectable being that people should take seriously.
"so without furthur ado i woulod like anyone on this site who thinks he can stump me with a biblical question"
Hmm.
This is where you begin your first hypocrisy; you stated above that you are retarded, yet claim your knowledge of the bible rates higher than that of everyone on this site. You'd think someone who read a book so often would have some decent grammar.
"or has a legitimate question they can ask me"
How do you define "legitimate"? Does it have to be written in some sort of pidgen-English before you can deign to answer it, you ignorant cur? Or shall we simply hit you over the head several times with a hammer that has the words "You are an Idiot" etched on the side?
"and if anyone stumps me which i doubt"
Ooh, an arrogant ignorant cur. A dying breed.
"then ill send you my kidney VIA Mexico Airlines."
I also do not live anywhere near Mexico and I doubt that you do either.
"Because honsetly you guys are stammering a bunch of shit about religion that you dont know anything about"
Right...I see no speech-impedimented religion-defunct assholes around here, except maybe you. Some of us happen to know much about religion, which is why we don't take any stock in it.
"A wise man once said "...a little truth can be dangerous in the minds of the simple"."
My, my, my, isn't that very relevant to someone in particular. Call me when you've read the entire bible - not the Reader's Digest version.
"Also, you hardcore atheist are just a bunch or pawns"
Wait...are we bunches or are we pawns? I'm confused. Perhaps you mean to imply that we are prawns? Did you make a typo there?
Or maybe you're just stupid.
I'm not a hardcore atheist. A hardcore atheist is a hypocrisy in itself; they must acknowledge the existence of a god in order to deny its existence. I actually believe in God; I don't believe in religion.
"I can't prove god or anything so don't ask me too but i know more about the atheist movement without google searching "Atheist" than any of you ever will."
A non-atheist who knows about this...Atheist Movement? What, is there some sort of conspiracy? An atheist terrorist cell? Are you some kind of spy, pretending to be a non-believer, hiding your faith as you insinuate your way into the Atheist terrorism group to steal their secrets?
Well, you can't prove God. So, I guess you can't answer every question about the Bible then.
"im not a Advocate for religion running the government"
We wouldn't care if you were. Actually, we'd probably be worried if someone like you was running for government. I personally would be scared. Scared shitless
"and im not church or anything"
Also, it seem's we've established that you're not a church. Excellent progress.
"but im smarter than you."
Again, with the arrogance. Pride is a sin, didn't you ever read the bible? The pride man cannot enter Heaven. St. Peter would kick his punk ass out onto the street/cloud thing.
"yes i can't spell, punctuate, use grammar correctly"
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"but i know more about this than anyone i have ever met"
A select few, judging by how many people you're likely to have met, cooped up in your room bitching about religion.
"So if there does happen to be a person on this site that think they can debate with me i would appreciate it greatly."
Oh? Oh you'd appreciate it, would you? Because my every impression from EVERY OTHER PART OF YOUR POST was that the population of this...board are a bunch of assholes. And that you are smarter than them. The hypocrisies pile up, don't they. Just like the bible - which was written over a period of 4000 - that's four thousand - years by 80 different men, all with different opinions, some of which were of questionable sanity. Just compare Amos to Elijah, or Samuel to Jesus.
Perhaps it is time you went to a position more suited to your talents - such as selling your ass for cheap liquor until your bunghole is the size of New Zealand.
Alright, I'm done. I need a drink or something. Destroying people's feeble arguments makes me thirsty.
Submitted by arcane (user info) at 2004-12-15 01:34:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2004-12-14 15:13:42 (#)
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Somebody's talking about you
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Talking about you... You might as well start a fan club.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/54334
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2004-12-14 21:26:06 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/35817
ToxicNarcotic: Intelligent model Christian
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2004-12-14 15:13:42 EST (#)
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Somebody's talking about you
http://www.ubersite.com/m/54314
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-14 02:52:37 EST (#)
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what a great Christian you are!
and you wonder why no one takes you seriously...
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-14 02:36:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2004-12-13 16:19:24 (#)
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Sigh.
Unfortunately for you, nobody else really gives a shit what you think you know.
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/35825 yep still a dirty cunt
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2004-12-13 16:19:24 EST (#)
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Sigh.
Unfortunately for you, nobody else really gives a shit what you think you know.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2004-12-13 16:09:53 EST (#)
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I am now praying - and I've never been religious at all - that I get the chance to randomly meet you in person some time.
It'll be fun. Fucking dipshit.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2004-12-13 16:06:56 EST (#)
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If Jesus loves me so much, why won't he return my phone calls?
Submitted by WhatTheHell (user info) at 2004-12-13 15:58:49 EST (#)
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Please eat the corn out of my poop?
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2004-12-13 15:52:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-13 15:29:50 (#)
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i could easily answer any of your dumbass questions but i dont need to. i proved my point. get over it.
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You proved only that you are a fucking retard
You hardly answered any of the questions put forth. You mostly replied that it was either over their head or "look in a dictionary".
Congratulatulations at being a failure, an emo look alike-punk wanna be, and an all around fag!
Submitted by dodahdave (user info) at 2004-12-13 15:43:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-12 01:50:06 (#)
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Submitted by TheMidnight12AM (user info) at 2004-12-11 16:40:53 (#)
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I have a question for you.
What is the source of altruism in society if evolution and natural selection dictate that self-preservation is the primary goal of all species?
I'm not advocating any particular answer. Any takers?
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I really shouldn't do this... but I have nothing better to do.
There is no such thing as a selfless act. Humans are unable to do anything that doesn't, in one way or another, benefit them. There is no source for altruism as it doesn't really exist.
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DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!
We have a winner!
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-13 15:29:50 EST (#)
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i could easily answer any of your dumbass questions but i dont need to. i proved my point. get over it.
Submitted by Slovin (user info) at 2004-12-13 15:06:44 EST (#)
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So Toxic is arguing that he can answer any question about the bible (which sounds to me like he takes its meaning literally) and rad is arguing that the book is nothing more than stories intended to teach morals?
One of them sounds like a comic book collector and the other sounds like the Bookmobile driver.
I have yet to see any evidence in or using the bible that in any way helps to prove god's existence (or inexistance, to be fair, but you religious nuts are the ones making the assertion here, so I don't need any proof - you do).
Submitted by Flying_buttmonkey (user info) at 2004-12-13 07:40:31 EST (#)
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I appreciate that Toxic is just trying to point out how much he knows about the subject, but to me that's bragging about how much you know about Batman or some other equally made up character.
The Bible didn't fall from the clouds, it was written by man and therefore fallible. Most Christian rites are identicle to the pagan predecessors following the transmogrification when the Christian church forced the rest of the world into their way. Most older churches are based on the sites of older pagan temples. The halo on Angels - sun discs. December 25th - same date (approx) of the birthday of Mithras (who I believe, or correct me if I get my deities mixed up) was also buried in a mountain and resurrected three days later. Satan - Baphomet, the egyptian Ram-headed God of fertility. Even the practise of 'God eating' is a pre-christian rite (communion) and many people believe the vilification of Eve and women consequently was just a way to steer folks away from Goddess worship. The word 'Villain' is derived from the word for persons who lived in small villages and towns who were the last to give up their pagan worship.
It's all smoke and mirrors. I for one am not willing to accept that the Council of Nicea had our best interests to heart when they went through the parables and decided what should be included in the Bible. If God wrote a book, it should be signed at the end, 'The End, God' and not altered by humans. If you hear voices, you should go see a doctor.
Jesus was black.
Oh, and I believe in God.
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2004-12-13 06:26:13 EST (#)
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Thanks Rad, hon
Now...where's my bottle of water.
*AbracaZAP*
Dang these morals just don't work....
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2004-12-13 05:04:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2004-12-13 04:45:10 (#)
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Toxic you didn't answer my questions.
which were
Scientifically explain how the seas were parted - and no, the answer "it was a miricle" is not good enough
And how water was turned into wine (and why)
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Allow me to respond in his place.
The bible is a book written by many men of faith in order to make some sense of the world they were living in. In it contains many wonderful allegories and symbols that are meant to be used to teach a system of morals, morals that are still valid in the modern age.
The seas being parted is probably a hyperbole that developed over years and years of storytelling in ancient Judea.
Water being turned into wine? Jesus was a teacher who taught through parables. Is it not possible then that his followers employed the same techniques when waxing on the miracles that he performed?
On a side note, water would have been turned into wine for health reasons. Water, back in the day, was not very sanitary, and the fermentation process used in winemaking cleaned the water somewhat.
Proving or disproving anything from the bible as fact or fiction does not detract from the ultimate meaning of the work. It is a system of morals that is the foundation to a functional society.
Its message is clear for both the firm believer and the skeptical beliver (I know, an oxymoron).
Be excellent to each other.
And party on dudes!
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2004-12-13 04:45:10 EST (#)
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Toxic you didn't answer my questions.
which were
Scientifically explain how the seas were parted - and no, the answer "it was a miricle" is not good enough
And how water was turned into wine (and why)
Submitted by Slovin (user info) at 2004-12-13 00:52:43 EST (#)
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Alright fuck what I said. Go answer Impassive-Digressive's questions:
http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/message_get.cgi?message=1102620914880518426#1011042
Funniest fucking thing I've ever read and everyone ignores it.
Submitted by Slovin (user info) at 2004-12-13 00:33:22 EST (#)
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"im smarter than you. yes i can't spell, punctuate, use grammar correctly"
You automatically fail, but here are some questions for you anyway. Feel free to attempt to answer them, you holier-than-thou "I am the smartest man alive" nutjob.
1. Why aren't Christians doing greater works than Jesus did, since he himself said they would (John 14:12)? The context is clearly referring to miracles.
2. Why have no prophecies been demonstrated to have been fulfilled? Why are many Old Testament prophecies too vague to be tested? Why are many Old Testament prophecies "yet to be" fulfilled? Why has it been impossible to demonstrate that the Old Testament prophecies were written prior to the events forecasted?
3. Why wasn't Tyre destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar as prophesied by Ezekiel (Ezekiel 26)? When it was destroyed by Alexander the Great, why didn't it remain desolate as prophesied by Ezekiel?
4. When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, why did God lie about what the outcome would be (Genesis 2:17), while the serpent told the truth (Genesis 3:5,22)?
5. Why do Moses, Ezra, Jesus, and Paul all disagree on marriage and divorce? Moses allowed divorce, Jesus disallowed it and also allowed it, Paul allowed it, and Ezra actually commanded it to appease God (Ezra 10).
6. Where is the justice in punishing us for Adam's sin? The Bible itself says that children will not be punished for the parents' sins (Deuteronomy 24:16). Furthermore, if God really created Adam not knowing either good or evil (Genesis 3:22), how could such a harsh and enduring punishment as death for Adam and all his descendants possibly be just? Our secular courts are more just than God when they show mercy on people who cannot distinguish between right and wrong, such as children and the mentally handicapped. And why isn't this doctrine of original sin found anywhere in the Bible except in Paul's writings?
7. Why pray? If it changes God's mind then he is not sovereign. If it does not change God's mind then it is superfluous.
8. Why is God concerned about humans at all? We are less than a speck in the universe. Christianity has all the hallmarks of being a religion made by humans for humans.
9. Why doesn't Jesus fit the real, clearly identifiable, messianic prophesies of the Old Testament? Why do the gospel writers ignore these prophecies? Why does the church condemn first century Jews for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, when he clearly does not fulfill the Old Testament prophecies of Messiah? Why must we wait until Jesus' second coming to see the clearest prophecies fulfilled?
10. Why does the genealogy in Matthew 1 show that Jesus descended through a cursed line? Jeconiah (Jehoiachin) and his father Jehoiakim were both cursed by God himself, who said that neither of these men would have any descendent on the throne of David. How could Jesus possibly be the Messiah, destined to rule forever on the throne of David, if he descended through either of these men?
Submitted by only_slightly_bitter (user info) at 2004-12-13 00:15:16 EST (#)
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Your kidneys are mine.
Submitted by cshape (user info) at 2004-12-12 20:44:11 EST (#)
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This is shenanigans. Nobody could be as stupid as Toxic.
Submitted by Thored (user info) at 2004-12-12 17:38:17 EST (#)
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According to the bible, you cannot come to heaven if you are not baptized, if you want to challenge that, ill give you the gospel and line in which this is stated. Does this line "Those who do not recceive me ( Jesus ) at this age at youth will never join my fathers kingdom." mean that those poor bastards who were baptized at the age of 9 will go to hell?
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2004-12-12 08:53:02 EST (#)
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Whoops. I meant this:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37906
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2004-12-12 08:52:19 EST (#)
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I'm an atheist because I don't believe in subscribing to something that is riddled with hypocrisy and governed by a text whose magnificent story is taken far too literally by all who read it.
Plus there's this: www.ubersite.com/m/37906
Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-12 01:50:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheMidnight12AM (user info) at 2004-12-11 16:40:53 (#)
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I have a question for you.
What is the source of altruism in society if evolution and natural selection dictate that self-preservation is the primary goal of all species?
I'm not advocating any particular answer. Any takers?
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I really shouldn't do this... but I have nothing better to do.
There is no such thing as a selfless act. Humans are unable to do anything that doesn't, in one way or another, benefit them. There is no source for altruism as it doesn't really exist.
Submitted by Pearnbran (user info) at 2004-12-11 23:45:43 EST (#)
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Ok here ya go.
God, Buddha, Allah
Satan, the Green man, the Goddess.
Or whatever religion you might or might not subscribe to. Secular or pagan.
The said creator or creators have infinite power and wisdom.
Yet, they are powerless to one thing.
What is it?
Go ahead try that one on wise one.
Submitted by BowDown2Me (user info) at 2004-12-11 23:37:16 EST (#)
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Religion is for the weak. For those who want to be slaves to ideas and beliefs because they can't form their own.
Remember; a free man is his own god and bows to no one.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 23:15:56 EST (#)
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let it die people. let it die.
Submitted by Rocktsrgn (user info) at 2004-12-11 21:42:14 EST (#)
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"no you cannot be a christian if your gay"
Wow. For one who knows everything there is to know about religion, your grammar is piss poor.
Anyhow, you touched on a pet peave of mine - Christians who say homosexuals can't be Christians. By that logic, neither can an alcoholic, a divorcee, anyone "immoral," a thief, a partier, or a greedy person. (1Cor6:9) However, according to the Bible, your sins can be forgiven (7 unto 77 times, blah blah blah), and you can go to heaven.
There's nothing in the Bible that distinguishes homosexuality from other sins. The only thing that's done that is "religion" and a good old fashioned dose of homophobia.
Right. So this is a stupid debate and I was enjoying laughing at it until you said that.
Dumbass.
Submitted by mystiamoon (user info) at 2004-12-11 20:57:10 EST (#)
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Holy clusterfuck, is this still going?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2004-12-11 20:48:37 EST (#)
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Wow... 182 "reviews"
Dunno how many are from same people, but dayum.
Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2004-12-11 20:03:46 EST (#)
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Okay, sorry, I was in transit.
"the first thing is that the bible never states what and how satan got thrown out of heaven they just say he was cast out. Satan (lucifer) was one of the highest angels in gods "company" as you so delicately put it. the pre-genisis thing is that angels were created and the heaven and shit. it would take a very very long time for me to explain this so IM me Jiujitsu916 and i would be happy to explain anything "
Here's the thing though, what I asked you wasn't really about the logistics of Satan getting the boot, it was asking what the relationship was between Satan getting thrown out and "sin entering the world through one man." I just didn't see a connection....one second you're talking about, basically, a war amongst the angels and then BAM it's all "so anyway sin is man's fault." I don't see a connection. I am inclined to think you don't either, or you would have given it.
You also didn't answer my question about sin, men, and women.
Submitted by Slypher (user info) at 2004-12-11 18:57:33 EST (#)
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You're really embarrassing yourself, man.
Submitted by TheMidnight12AM (user info) at 2004-12-11 16:40:53 EST (#)
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I have a question for you.
What is the source of altruism in society if evolution and natural selection dictate that self-preservation is the primary goal of all species?
I'm not advocating any particular answer. Any takers?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-11 15:17:31 EST (#)
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"Surely you can see the irony in trying to logically debate a topic when one party does not base their argument in logic, but rather in "mysticism" and "spirituality", of which there is no physical, tangible basis."
you really can't argue with dethcow there. at all. this is basically what everyone else was thinking, but dethcow is very good at getting the point across.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2004-12-11 13:46:25 EST (#)
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Who is Jesus grandad (sort of) on Josephs side, Heli (sometimes spelt Eli) or Jacob?
As two different parts of the bible give different answers this should 'stump' you.
Submitted by dethcow (user info) at 2004-12-11 11:19:12 EST (#)
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"read all the reviews i explained that somewhere. the satan thing that is..... and about the whole waiting thing god is not bound by time its not like he was just there waiting he is in everymoment at every time everywhere all the time. hes now 3 seconds ago the 5 mins you spent reading the post and reviews and the 5 mins it toook you to write your review. you cant think that we are the only thing in gods mind thats a humanistic view of the world and spirituality. the thing is that th difference between this religion than any other is the reason it is real is the relationship you get with god. its not like catholoisim where they fuck up the bible and you cant even talk to god which is not biblical at all. there is a relationship you have with god and reading the bible is the inspired word of god. he talks through it."
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Fucking Wow. And you're allowed to walk free down any street, unrestrained? Surely you can see the irony in trying to logically debate a topic when one party does not base their argument in logic, but rather in "mysticism" and "spirituality", of which there is no physical, tangible basis. So God "talks to you" and that somehow makes your religion right? Osama talks to God at least five times every day... So is his religion right, too? What does God have to say? It mustn't be too terribly enlightening, or no one would have to put up with your incoherent rambling. But I am happy to know officially that "catholoisim" fucks up the bible(as you so eloquently put it), although I still am unsure where the ultimate arbiter who decides such things resides. So the catholics fuck up the bible, even though the Latin bible predates the KJV by about a thousand years?
And how exactly does "he is in everymoment at every time everywhere all the time" invalidate the point that there's still an infinite amount of time before the universe was created, according to the bible? As always, religious fanatics use irrational and incomprehensible language to control and manipulate the weak-minded.
Submitted by BillsSBChamps (user info) at 2004-12-11 10:44:57 EST (#)
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what the hell man if they are comin at you , means they want somthin ,more better you look after them and care for them ,than they get on the street uh?
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 10:36:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by Demolocke (user info) at 2004-12-11 03:14:56 (#)
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I cracked up when everyone said you looked gay in your camwhore. It's ironic too that you probably hate gays.
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i dont hate gays my uncles gay and i have alot of gay friends but i hate the sin. i love the sinner. not to say i dont do my fair share of sinning. i fuck up all the time but it doesnt mean im not saved. and if anyone is going to ask me...no you cannot be a christian if your gay.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 10:34:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by dethcow (user info) at 2004-12-11 04:52:18 (#)
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According to the Bible, God has existed for an infinite amount of time, predating the universe by, well, infinity. This implies that before God created the universe, there was an infinite wait. Why the wait? Did God get bored (assuming a supreme being could become bored, although I suppose it would be quite boring to know exactly how everything was ever going to turn out)? Also, in The Revelations, the angel who visits St. John states that angels do not have free will like humans. But according to Isaiah, Satan was once an angel (the spiffiest of all angels, no less!). This implies that Satan had no free will. But if Satan wasn't free to choose his affiliation, how could he rebel against God? Or even ignoring the first part of the argument, how was Satan able to rebel period? Since God is omnipotent, it's not like Satan could pull the wool over his eyes. Since God created him, God would have known immediately that he would ultimately rebel. Therefore the rebellion would have only been possible if God allowed it. Thus God knowingly unleashed evil on us, but this contradicts the portrayal of a loving God, for how could a loving being knowingly unleash evil on his favorite creations? More importantly, why would a God create humans with the ability to reason, knowing that pure reason leads directly to the non-existence of the Christian God (Where reason is defined as using logic to explain reality, or that which can be measured). All of you pseudo-Christians who insist that logic and reason lead to God are so sadly mistaken, and your mistakes lie not in your debating skills but rather your tacit assumption that ancient literature somehow relates to the lives of rational humans in the 21st century. Reason is the ability to test ideas through observation and measurement; thus reason is the natural anti-religion, since every religion requires one to assume some unprovable truth. The fact is, there is no rational reason to believe that a God (Christian or otherwise) exists.
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read all the reviews i explained that somewhere. the satan thing that is..... and about the whole waiting thing god is not bound by time its not like he was just there waiting he is in everymoment at every time everywhere all the time. hes now 3 seconds ago the 5 mins you spent reading the post and reviews and the 5 mins it toook you to write your review. you cant think that we are the only thing in gods mind thats a humanistic view of the world and spirituality. the thing is that th difference between this religion than any other is the reason it is real is the relationship you get with god. its not like catholoisim where they fuck up the bible and you cant even talk to god which is not biblical at all. there is a relationship you have with god and reading the bible is the inspired word of god. he talks through it.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 10:26:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-11 10:06:01 (#)
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
There is a whole shitload of reason to believe in evolution.
And you never answered my question (asked for the third time now), what makes Christianity the correct religion, and all the other religions wrong?
Hey DisneyLandBurnedDown, wanna procreate?
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in any religion you have to have faith and believe whatever they say in thier bible/doctorine as factual. but biblicially it is anyone who believes in their hearts the lord jesus and confess with theeir mouths and basicaaly realize that they cannnot be who they want or live their lives the way they need without him to complete them. thats what the bible says......sorry it took so long i keep getting questions i must have missed yours.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 10:23:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by Creepy_guy (user info) at 2004-12-11 02:00:52 (#)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:27:38 (#)
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how is calling someone retarded <which in his case is completely true, wrong.
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Let me take a stab at this one... I honestly thought Satan was the ruler of hell. I'm not the biggest fan of the Bible, so I haven't gone through it properly. When I hear about Satan being cast out of heaven, it makes sense to think (if you haven't studied the Bible fully) that he would become the ruler of hell.
I doubt that makes sense to you, because you've been through the Bible and obviously have a good grasp on what you're talking about. Not knowing something doesn't make someome retarded however.
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hell was created for the devil and his angels. it is just as much a place of torment for him as it ould be for you or me. he lives on this earth. his angels live on this earth and until what has been fortold in the book of revelation they will continue to live here.
Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-11 10:06:01 EST (#)
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
There is a whole shitload of reason to believe in evolution.
And you never answered my question (asked for the third time now), what makes Christianity the correct religion, and all the other religions wrong?
Hey DisneyLandBurnedDown, wanna procreate?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-11 06:01:34 EST (#)
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Hey, what's the big deal about going to some building every Sunday? I
mean, isn't God everywhere?
-- Homer Simpson
Homer the Heretic
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-11 05:15:16 EST (#)
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what the hell man if they are comin at you , means they want somthin ,more better you look after them and care for them ,than they get on the street uh?
Submitted by dethcow (user info) at 2004-12-11 04:52:18 EST (#)
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According to the Bible, God has existed for an infinite amount of time, predating the universe by, well, infinity. This implies that before God created the universe, there was an infinite wait. Why the wait? Did God get bored (assuming a supreme being could become bored, although I suppose it would be quite boring to know exactly how everything was ever going to turn out)? Also, in The Revelations, the angel who visits St. John states that angels do not have free will like humans. But according to Isaiah, Satan was once an angel (the spiffiest of all angels, no less!). This implies that Satan had no free will. But if Satan wasn't free to choose his affiliation, how could he rebel against God? Or even ignoring the first part of the argument, how was Satan able to rebel period? Since God is omnipotent, it's not like Satan could pull the wool over his eyes. Since God created him, God would have known immediately that he would ultimately rebel. Therefore the rebellion would have only been possible if God allowed it. Thus God knowingly unleashed evil on us, but this contradicts the portrayal of a loving God, for how could a loving being knowingly unleash evil on his favorite creations? More importantly, why would a God create humans with the ability to reason, knowing that pure reason leads directly to the non-existence of the Christian God (Where reason is defined as using logic to explain reality, or that which can be measured). All of you pseudo-Christians who insist that logic and reason lead to God are so sadly mistaken, and your mistakes lie not in your debating skills but rather your tacit assumption that ancient literature somehow relates to the lives of rational humans in the 21st century. Reason is the ability to test ideas through observation and measurement; thus reason is the natural anti-religion, since every religion requires one to assume some unprovable truth. The fact is, there is no rational reason to believe that a God (Christian or otherwise) exists.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-11 04:44:20 EST (#)
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WHO CARES???
Submitted by Demolocke (user info) at 2004-12-11 03:14:56 EST (#)
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I cracked up when everyone said you looked gay in your camwhore. It's ironic too that you probably hate gays.
Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-11 02:41:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:26:30 (#)
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dear dumbass i have taken a theology corse or two alot actually. so suck a dick.
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Sorry, but I can't believe you. If you had, you'd know how to interpret the bible. It's obvious you don't know how to do this, as all you seem to be doing is quoting.
I think you just called me a 'him'. Nice assumption, but you're wrong.
Andhell is complete seperation from God, since you couldn't even answer that correctly. "Where the worm dieth not" is not a definition of Hell. You really need to lay off on the 'retarded' insults, buddy. It doesn't do anything but make you look like a dumbass. Think up some GOOD, witty retorts, and then get back to me.
Submitted by Creepy_guy (user info) at 2004-12-11 02:00:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:27:38 (#)
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how is calling someone retarded <which in his case is completely true, wrong.
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Let me take a stab at this one... I honestly thought Satan was the ruler of hell. I'm not the biggest fan of the Bible, so I haven't gone through it properly. When I hear about Satan being cast out of heaven, it makes sense to think (if you haven't studied the Bible fully) that he would become the ruler of hell.
I doubt that makes sense to you, because you've been through the Bible and obviously have a good grasp on what you're talking about. Not knowing something doesn't make someome retarded however.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:44:37 EST (#)
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Wanna know if there is a God? Ask Gibberish....
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:28:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by Ed_0150 (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:27:30 (#)
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Have you ever had sex? (NOT with a Priest)
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i dont know.....yes. alot.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:27:38 EST (#)
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how is calling someone retarded <which in his case is completely true, wrong.
Submitted by Ed_0150 (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:27:30 EST (#)
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Have you ever had sex? (NOT with a Priest)
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:26:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 21:50:47 (#)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:23:46 (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 19:14:26 (#)
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If Satan is such a bad, horrible guy, why is HE the one punishing sinners for all eternity? I mean, come on... God's all "You've sinned! I'm lazy and don't want to punish you myself! Go to Hell so Satan can do my dirty work."
God's such a slacker.
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are you retarded seriously? the only thing you know about god and satan are the fucked up movies you see around holloween and christmas on the sci-fi channel. satan doesnt do the punishing. god does. hell is a place of "eternal damnation" "where the worm dieth not" satan isnt in hell and the only time ghe goes to "hell" is when he is cast into the bottomless pit after the millenial reign of christ. satan is the "ruler of the darknmess of this world". stop being such an ignorant minless little fuck. seriously i give you permission to google search any question you have before you waste my time by asking a question that Corky from "life goes on" could answer.
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I'd really hoped you'd have realized by now that I'm mocking you... but I guess I can't even expect that. Do you honestly think that I'm going to seek answers about religion from somebody who can't even string a coherent sentence together? You haven't *really* answered a single question. All you're doing is spewing out bible quotes. They don't answer the questions. Maybe you should attempt this again when you've taken a theology course or two.
And yeah I'm retarded seriously!1one1!LOLZOMGZWTFYOUFOUNDMEOUT.
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dear dumbass i have taken a theology corse or two alot actually. so suck a dick.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-12-11 01:01:52 EST (#)
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What's going down here boy?
Submitted by Demolocke (user info) at 2004-12-11 00:23:09 EST (#)
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You do know your stuff. I'm not religious, but calling people who disagree with you retarded isn't very Christian, is it?
I went to church in high school because church girls are easy. Making out in a confession booth is out of this WORLD!
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 23:00:23 EST (#)
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to save you all some time.... here's an Extremely brief overview of what Creationists and Evolutionists believe.
http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/mod.htm
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 22:40:12 EST (#)
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Sorry about that Wuzi, I believe my brother posted that under my name... i'm trying not to reply on this anymore.
Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 21:50:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:23:46 (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 19:14:26 (#)
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If Satan is such a bad, horrible guy, why is HE the one punishing sinners for all eternity? I mean, come on... God's all "You've sinned! I'm lazy and don't want to punish you myself! Go to Hell so Satan can do my dirty work."
God's such a slacker.
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are you retarded seriously? the only thing you know about god and satan are the fucked up movies you see around holloween and christmas on the sci-fi channel. satan doesnt do the punishing. god does. hell is a place of "eternal damnation" "where the worm dieth not" satan isnt in hell and the only time ghe goes to "hell" is when he is cast into the bottomless pit after the millenial reign of christ. satan is the "ruler of the darknmess of this world". stop being such an ignorant minless little fuck. seriously i give you permission to google search any question you have before you waste my time by asking a question that Corky from "life goes on" could answer.
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I'd really hoped you'd have realized by now that I'm mocking you... but I guess I can't even expect that. Do you honestly think that I'm going to seek answers about religion from somebody who can't even string a coherent sentence together? You haven't *really* answered a single question. All you're doing is spewing out bible quotes. They don't answer the questions. Maybe you should attempt this again when you've taken a theology course or two.
And yeah I'm retarded seriously!1one1!LOLZOMGZWTFYOUFOUNDMEOUT.
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2004-12-10 21:21:51 EST (#)
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my favorite verse brother toxic narcotic is jeramiah 5:8 which i can paraphrase for you here: horses seized with sexual heat they have become, having strong testicles they neigh each one to the wife of his companion
Submitted by Wuzi (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:49:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:12:48 (#)
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Submitted by Wuzi (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:04:14 (#)
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Alright here's a question about the bible.
According to legend, Shakespeare helped translate the King James version of the Holy Bible. Do to "this number" being his favorite and/or lucky number two words were added/translated to; to the Psalm "this number". In that Psalm number two words were added which spelled out his name when added together. In which Psalm was the two words added/translated to?
Hint: In this Psalm the same number of Psalm it is, is how many words from the beginning to the first word. And it is also the number of words from the ending into the second word.
In saying translated to, I can't remember if the words were already in the version before it was translated or if they added the words or not.
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there were no numbers or chapters in the original texts it was added later by the translaters for clarity
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That's why I stated it was in the King James version.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:47:28 EST (#)
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ahahahahahaha
you just called yourself a fool!
hahahahahahahaha
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:40:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:32:40 (#)
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man this thread is hilarious. these guys are freaking out on everyone over old wives tales and superstition. hahaha.
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explaining anything to you is pointless.
"who is foolish the fool or the one arguing with a fool?"
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:32:40 EST (#)
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man this thread is hilarious. these guys are freaking out on everyone over old wives tales and superstition. hahaha.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:23:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 19:14:26 (#)
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If Satan is such a bad, horrible guy, why is HE the one punishing sinners for all eternity? I mean, come on... God's all "You've sinned! I'm lazy and don't want to punish you myself! Go to Hell so Satan can do my dirty work."
God's such a slacker.
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are you retarded seriously? the only thing you know about god and satan are the fucked up movies you see around holloween and christmas on the sci-fi channel. satan doesnt do the punishing. god does. hell is a place of "eternal damnation" "where the worm dieth not" satan isnt in hell and the only time ghe goes to "hell" is when he is cast into the bottomless pit after the millenial reign of christ. satan is the "ruler of the darknmess of this world". stop being such an ignorant minless little fuck. seriously i give you permission to google search any question you have before you waste my time by asking a question that Corky from "life goes on" could answer.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:22:48 EST (#)
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someone- uhhhh....... i was using that quote from you because i liked it and agreed with it.... i was talking to the two psycho brothers here, not you. i agree with what you had to say. i honestly can't see how you thought i was talking to you, but trust me, i wasn't.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:12:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by Wuzi (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:04:14 (#)
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Alright here's a question about the bible.
According to legend, Shakespeare helped translate the King James version of the Holy Bible. Do to "this number" being his favorite and/or lucky number two words were added/translated to; to the Psalm "this number". In that Psalm number two words were added which spelled out his name when added together. In which Psalm was the two words added/translated to?
Hint: In this Psalm the same number of Psalm it is, is how many words from the beginning to the first word. And it is also the number of words from the ending into the second word.
In saying translated to, I can't remember if the words were already in the version before it was translated or if they added the words or not.
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there were no numbers or chapters in the original texts it was added later by the translaters for clarity
Submitted by Wuzi (user info) at 2004-12-10 20:04:14 EST (#)
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Alright here's a question about the bible.
According to legend, Shakespeare helped translate the King James version of the Holy Bible. Do to "this number" being his favorite and/or lucky number two words were added/translated to; to the Psalm "this number". In that Psalm number two words were added which spelled out his name when added together. In which Psalm was the two words added/translated to?
Hint: In this Psalm the same number of Psalm it is, is how many words from the beginning to the first word. And it is also the number of words from the ending into the second word.
In saying translated to, I can't remember if the words were already in the version before it was translated or if they added the words or not.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 19:45:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-12-10 17:24:11 (#)
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and the Sweeping Generalization award goes to.....Hidden101!!! Heres what he has to say:
... to tell you the truth, i believe in God. what i don't believe in is the rest of the horseshit that goes along with any religion in the world that worships God. i'm just here on this planet, trying to be the best person i can be in this lifetime. i'm trying do unto others as i would have them do unto me and all that jazz. i like to live and let live.
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Hehehe Hidden, your cool shit, but seriously, if you understood what I was trying to say, it was just that neither one of us can prove/disprove each other, cause none of us has DIED. Peroid. Explain to me how I'm nuts please. I'm not going to get deep into this, because religion and politics are exhausting and inconclusive conversation roadblocks that usually end up with nothing solved and personal attacks(which I myself did to Toxic, out of anger for his ignorance). I'm just curious to as how my argument justifies me as "nuts", seeing as how it very practical and sensible considering.
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That's exactly what I was trying to say, i have the viewpoint that there's no way to prove either side of the argument !Definitively!
and Hidden, i'm not "crazy" about my religion. I dont press it on anybody, but when people talk about it incorrectly I feel the need to justify it.
Go ahead and call me psycho, but you'll very rarely hear me talking about it.
Submitted by Zombie_Reagan (user info) at 2004-12-10 19:24:20 EST (#)
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I was a religious asshole all my life, and how was I rewarded?
Even Hell wouldn't take me. Satan booted me out of there himself. Let it be a lesson to you all.
Now I am condemned to wander this Earth trapped in a rotting corpse and starring in third-rate pornos.
Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 19:14:26 EST (#)
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If Satan is such a bad, horrible guy, why is HE the one punishing sinners for all eternity? I mean, come on... God's all "You've sinned! I'm lazy and don't want to punish you myself! Go to Hell so Satan can do my dirty work."
God's such a slacker.
Submitted by dakers (user info) at 2004-12-10 17:27:40 EST (#)
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Doesnt the Bible also say that "a fig tree cannot bear olives nor the grape vine produce figs. And a spring cannot produce both salt and fresh water. In the same way we should not use the tongue to praise God and then speak of evil." Acts 3:12 i beleive. I have have sen you use more profound language than anyone on this site and am i to believe that it is supposed to be in Gods defense? No. If you decide that you want to speak the name of Christ and try and share His good news, why dont you try to be a good example as well.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-12-10 17:25:35 EST (#)
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ugh, I mean not!! Wow....
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-12-10 17:24:49 EST (#)
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none should read "no one" (see below)
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-12-10 17:24:11 EST (#)
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and the Sweeping Generalization award goes to.....Hidden101!!! Heres what he has to say:
... to tell you the truth, i believe in God. what i don't believe in is the rest of the horseshit that goes along with any religion in the world that worships God. i'm just here on this planet, trying to be the best person i can be in this lifetime. i'm trying do unto others as i would have them do unto me and all that jazz. i like to live and let live.
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Hehehe Hidden, your cool shit, but seriously, if you understood what I was trying to say, it was just that neither one of us can prove/disprove each other, cause none of us has DIED. Peroid. Explain to me how I'm nuts please. I'm not going to get deep into this, because religion and politics are exhausting and inconclusive conversation roadblocks that usually end up with nothing solved and personal attacks(which I myself did to Toxic, out of anger for his ignorance). I'm just curious to as how my argument justifies me as "nuts", seeing as how it very practical and sensible considering.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2004-12-10 16:53:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-09 15:17:36 (#)
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Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2004-12-09 14:47:39 (#)
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more powere to ya...or not...whatever.
ok...what religion is the most correct? how will that take me to heaven? (i already have my opinions on this, just checking yours against mine)
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its not religion that gets you into heaven its relationship. The bible teaches that if you trust in the lord with all your heart. believe that jesus died on the cross to forgive you of your sins than he is faithful and just to forgive you of your sins. so if you believe that and are a fucking catholic than you can go to heaven
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If it's only the "relationship" that matters, then why have churches or any other houses of worship? What's with the catholic comment? Now only a specific sect of a religion is eligible for salvation?
If god is the almighty and all powerful, why put your thoughts into a book. It's 2004 why not make a DVD, or a made for TV Movie. I mean he did create the universe, i'm sure it's inthe budget somewhere.
Seriously why doesn't god direct his message to everyone directly? Would make things a bit easier I think. (this is the part where you probably tell me that because of your "faith" god talks to you all the time.) Just remember he talks to our president too, and tells him to kill evil people. Which violates one of his basic precepts. After all the whole jesus dying to forgive your sins negates that anyone is truly "evil", but rather that anyone can be saved. So god would never have the need to have other righteous people strike down the evil for him.
I'm sure this will be around later for me to kick some holes through, I love how 90% of the questions are finished with "it'll go over your head". Ironic I think...
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-12-10 16:43:43 EST (#)
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"You know nothing, wake up."
man, i'm going to call you two the psycho brothers from now on. you guys are fuggin' NUTS. and about all this religion bullcrap... to tell you the truth, i believe in God. what i don't believe in is the rest of the horseshit that goes along with any religion in the world that worships God. i'm just here on this planet, trying to be the best person i can be in this lifetime. i'm trying do unto others as i would have them do unto me and all that jazz. i like to live and let live.
anyway, give it time. when you both get a little older, you'll either start to think for yourselves, or you can continue to listen to what you've been taught since birth if you are incapable of thinking for yourselves and be grown men that believe in all the silliness the church teaches. as for me, until God tells me Himself, i'm going to continue to distrust anything mankind says. i just live the way i feel is right.
anyway, i was sitting around today, and thinking about this whole idea of religion and i started to think about how the human mind works. then i realized that every time i came to a conclusion about religion, my mind was merely calculating logic and using one conclusion to be able to jump to the next. like a machine that can only follow a strict rule set... it was kind of like a movie where AI that is created is so good, it becomes self-aware (HAL 9000, Skynet, etc). hmmm... interesting...
so i got on google and found this-
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:MuQgE51lO4wJ:web.uvic.ca/~dbub/psyc210/docs/Minds%2520and%2520machines.pdf&hl=en
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 16:20:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-10 16:12:53 (#)
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Oh, i almost forgot:
Evolution: We can find evidence of a species coming out of nowhere, or a species making an evlutionary leap too quickly, and disprove the theory of evolution.
Creation: Can never be disproved. No matter what we find, you'll just say "God made it that way".
That's why science pays attention to evolution and not creation.
Also, on a side note (please answer my other question first) do you personally believe that God set evolution in motion, or that he created things to look like they had evolved, putting fossils in the ground and everything?
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you still cant prove either, Evolutionists seek to prove evolution so they can discredit Creation
I personally believe he created everything, i'm a literalist when it comes to biblical matters, I believe my brother (toxicnarcotic) see's it metaphorically... but i'm not positive on his view.
Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-10 16:12:53 EST (#)
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Oh, i almost forgot:
Evolution: We can find evidence of a species coming out of nowhere, or a species making an evlutionary leap too quickly, and disprove the theory of evolution.
Creation: Can never be disproved. No matter what we find, you'll just say "God made it that way".
That's why science pays attention to evolution and not creation.
Also, on a side note (please answer my other question first) do you personally believe that God set evolution in motion, or that he created things to look like they had evolved, putting fossils in the ground and everything?
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-12-10 16:08:13 EST (#)
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the angels didnt kill the people they blinded them dumbass...Lot wasnt perfect and God gave him to abraham because it was the only Family abraham had left in the world. Lot was righteous it didnt make him sinless. they didnt rape their father. and back then when the gene pool wasnt shallow ,which yours inherintly is, it was common practice to do that. the circumstances surrounding the fact that they had sex with their father which god punished them for later was that they needed to bare children or Lots household would have been destroyed forever.
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inherintly huh?? wow, yet you just stated that you had a dictionary in the previous reply(to this) so the person you were answering could comprehend it. Bottom line: Get a fucking grasp of YOUR language before you tear other people apart, stop being a blatant hypocrite, and don't think you know everything in your 13 pathetic years of existence. I grew up in a Presbyterian Christian family for 18 years, studied bibilical theology and served religiously in my church, studied Buddism moderately, and am extremely well-read in philosophy. What does this prove? Absolutely jack shit, I haven't died, therefore my assumptions on life are, in reality, no more sound then the fucking bum. You know nothing, wake up.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-12-10 15:59:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by Lyric (user info) at 2004-12-09 15:32:29 (#)
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Congratulations on memorizing a thousands-of-years-old book that's been translated from different languages many times over by different people in different powers at different times. Yes, I'm sure that today, it says exactly the same thing it did way back when.
Oh, and fuck you for even daring to think you're better and/or smarter than anyone because of your beliefs.
So who's the better person: me, because I don't give a shit what religion or beliefs people have, because I think whatever makes you happy is great... or you, who calls me an ignorant son of a bitch because I don't believe in what you do?
Who's the ignorant one, you fucking fuck?
I don't dislike religion. I dislike ignorant holier-than-thou zealots.
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Agree 100 percent. Another example of why you suck.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-12-10 15:58:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-09 14:47:58 (#)
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wow all these questions piling up. yeah that would be showing your ignorance.
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I'm assuming you studied logic too, I mean because that makes SO much sense.
Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-10 15:45:23 EST (#)
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Maybe the bible does say that the earth is round, I haven't read the whole thing, so I can't say for sure, I just know what the church used to say. doens't the bible say something about the four corners of the earth though? and being able to see every kingdom from the highest mountian?
But, you misunderstood my question. Wouldn't people of other religions have just as much faith as you? What makes you right and them wrong?
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 14:51:35 EST (#)
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Hey thanks, but when did I mention evolution? I thought we were talking about your bible, why did you change the subject? Oh, and science doesn't place so much faith in an uncertainty. That's why it's caleld the "theory of evolution" instead of the "fact of evolution". Science likes to use that little thing caleld "logic" rather than blind faith. But to each their own right? I mean, not that it matters whether evolution is right or not, Christians will just re-interpret their verses to keep up with the times. Um ... Galileo? what? wait a minute ... wait a minute ... Excummunicated for believeing that the earth wasn't the center of the universe? But it's not like the Church finally accepted his findings years later, after they couldn't deny it anymore ... oh wait. Dick.
But back to my original point, with each religion having an equal chance of being correct (to an extent.) how can you believe so strongly in your own religion while ignoring the rest? How can you say that Muslims/mormons/buddhists/hindus/atheists/agnostics/et al are wrong?
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a.) The Bible frikkin states the earth is round, idiot... The catholic church was a corrupt governmental power (that thrived, by keeping people ignorant), pretty much nothing but a facade of religion, they were the guys who threw Galileo in prison. We're not Catholic, Douchebag. Oh, Science puts plenty of faith in the "theory" of evolution. They treat it and teach it as law... yet there's as much evidence for evolution as there is for Creationism... you were all just taught all the evidence for Evolution conversely we know all about the evidence for creation.
I'm very analytical by nature, I've read everything I could about evolution and took it into account, then i read everything I could (by reading as unbiased books as I could) about Creationism and I've personally settled with Intelligent design rather than the more illogical evolutionistic theory.
We believe our religion is right, just like the Muslims think that we're nuts and the Mormon's etc etc ad infinitum.
Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-10 14:27:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 13:46:03 (#)
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Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-10 13:22:09 (#)
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Could the bible _not_ be the word of God? If so, how can you place so much faith into an uncertainty? Have ou studied every other religion well enough to have decided that none of them seem as likely as christianity?
Also, you realize that because of the way the bible is written, you can pretty much explain away anything. Even things that seem like an obvious contradiction to a non-believer can be explained away either, either by placing the blame on the translation, or by using carefull interpretation. Could you just be believing what you want to believe? There are several places in the bible where Jesus describes his second coming and says that the generation he's speaking to won't die before the things he said come true.
One more thing, knowing everything there is to know about he bible still doesn't make the bible true. You could do this same post with the Kuran or the book of Mormon. People of both those religions have managed to explain away all the bullshit in their books, just like any learned Christian can explain away all the bullshit in his book.
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Good stuff! I agree, how can you place so much faith into an uncertainty? I mean it's not like Stephen Hawkings even admitted that the big bang theory and all theories published according to the universe needed to be redone and none of them were logical...
Oh wait and there's that little nasty singularity problem... How'd it get there again? wait? science fails at being able to explain it? But Christians you say dont believe in evolution... Wait a minute.. wait a minute, hundreds of actual scientist Christians believe in Micro evolution and macro evolution.. wait.. transitionary fossils? what?
oh well, you guys suck.
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Hey thanks, but when did I mention evolution? I thought we were talking about your bible, why did you change the subject? Oh, and science doesn't place so much faith in an uncertainty. That's why it's caleld the "theory of evolution" instead of the "fact of evolution". Science likes to use that little thing caleld "logic" rather than blind faith. But to each their own right? I mean, not that it matters whether evolution is right or not, Christians will just re-interpret their verses to keep up with the times. Um ... Galileo? what? wait a minute ... wait a minute ... Excummunicated for believeing that the earth wasn't the center of the universe? But it's not like the Church finally accepted his findings years later, after they couldn't deny it anymore ... oh wait. Dick.
But back to my original point, with each religion having an equal chance of being correct (to an extent.) how can you believe so strongly in your own religion while ignoring the rest? How can you say that Muslims/mormons/buddhists/hindus/atheists/agnostics/et al are wrong?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-12-10 13:57:40 EST (#)
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The two brothers/pastors will tag team you into stupidity.
Just avoid arguing with them.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 13:47:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2004-12-10 11:19:52 (#)
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First of all, people would take you a LOT more seriously if you even just spelt correctly, to say nothing of capitalization and punctuation. I know you think it's really cool to be all "I don't care, fuck you, so I misspell, eat me bitches" but it really detracts from your arguments, and it makes you look like a moron.
My issue with this explanation is one of the typical things that I find irritating when dealing with religion:
"In pre-genisis creation there was only god, his glory, and the angels. they had free wil then they were not bound by right and wrong there was no sin nothing to do that was eveil it was basically the Nirvana that is heaven. Satan decided one day that he wanted to rise above and"become like the Most High". he failed and god threw him and 1/3 of the angels out of heaven. after that the bible never mentions anything about angels having a free will. Man is what brought about evil. "through one man sin enterd the world..."(adam)"
Typographical issues aside, as I understand it, you're saying that Satan and his posse of angels decided they wanted to elevate themselves (they would have fit in perfectly in the 80's business world, I'm thinking), they got into a big scrum uptown with God and HIS posse, God & Co. laid the smack down and chucked Satan and his buddies out. That's all fine. But then you suddenly switch from the possession of free will and the subsequent stripping of it from Satan, et al., over to man bringing about evil. You start with what looks like it's going to be an explanation of how evil evolved from this great battle amongst the angels, and then BAM, you just say man brought about evil and quote the Bible. I just don't see the connection, which I'm sure to you means I am an idiot, but I don't think there IS a connection that you can explain. So please, if you can, do.
Also, if "through one MAN sin entered the world" (emphasis mine), how do you explain the way the Church, which is rooted in religion, which is derived from this supposedly true story of God and His Adventures has instead placed the blame for Original Sin largely with women, and has used that designation to personify women from inconsequential to the weaker sex to evil, and more or less any other negative thing they can come up with?
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the first thing is that the bible never states what and how satan got thrown out of heaven they just say he was cast out. Satan (lucifer) was one of the highest angels in gods "company" as you so delicately put it. the pre-genisis thing is that angels were created and the heaven and shit. it would take a very very long time for me to explain this so IM me Jiujitsu916 and i would be happy to explain anything
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-12-10 13:46:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-10 13:22:09 (#)
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Could the bible _not_ be the word of God? If so, how can you place so much faith into an uncertainty? Have ou studied every other religion well enough to have decided that none of them seem as likely as christianity?
Also, you realize that because of the way the bible is written, you can pretty much explain away anything. Even things that seem like an obvious contradiction to a non-believer can be explained away either, either by placing the blame on the translation, or by using carefull interpretation. Could you just be believing what you want to believe? There are several places in the bible where Jesus describes his second coming and says that the generation he's speaking to won't die before the things he said come true.
One more thing, knowing everything there is to know about he bible still doesn't make the bible true. You could do this same post with the Kuran or the book of Mormon. People of both those religions have managed to explain away all the bullshit in their books, just like any learned Christian can explain away all the bullshit in his book.
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Good stuff! I agree, how can you place so much faith into an uncertainty? I mean it's not like Stephen Hawkings even admitted that the big bang theory and all theories published according to the universe needed to be redone and none of them were logical...
Oh wait and there's that little nasty singularity problem... How'd it get there again? wait? science fails at being able to explain it? But Christians you say dont believe in evolution... Wait a minute.. wait a minute, hundreds of actual scientist Christians believe in Micro evolution and macro evolution.. wait.. transitionary fossils? what?
oh well, you guys suck.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 13:39:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2004-12-10 04:51:15 (#)
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scientifically explain how you
a) part the seas
b) turn water into wine (I want to learn that trick)
oh and Toxic. If you know all this from reading the bible I imagine you have spent a great deal of time reading it... and possibly studying other books of religeon. Now, as much as I hate to say this because you are a rude, egotistical bollock, but you appear to know the subject well.
The only problem being - you undoubtadly know little else on other subjects - having spent so much time understanding about a book (which we all agreed has been changed so many times over the years its probably now non-valid to anyone other than bible bashers who need a crutch in life).
So if this was a different subject who'd be the dumbass.
Learn the violin, freak.
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i actually play the bagpipes. and its not really about what i know about what because there are alot of subjects where i can hold my own. none of them have come up so i decided to make a post.
Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2004-12-10 13:22:09 EST (#)
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Could the bible _not_ be the word of God? If so, how can you place so much faith into an uncertainty? Have ou studied every other religion well enough to have decided that none of them seem as likely as christianity?
Also, you realize that because of the way the bible is written, you can pretty much explain away anything. Even things that seem like an obvious contradiction to a non-believer can be explained away either, either by placing the blame on the translation, or by using carefull interpretation. Could you just be believing what you want to believe? There are several places in the bible where Jesus describes his second coming and says that the generation he's speaking to won't die before the things he said come true.
One more thing, knowing everything there is to know about he bible still doesn't make the bible true. You could do this same post with the Kuran or the book of Mormon. People of both those religions have managed to explain away all the bullshit in their books, just like any learned Christian can explain away all the bullshit in his book.
Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2004-12-10 11:19:52 EST (#)
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First of all, people would take you a LOT more seriously if you even just spelt correctly, to say nothing of capitalization and punctuation. I know you think it's really cool to be all "I don't care, fuck you, so I misspell, eat me bitches" but it really detracts from your arguments, and it makes you look like a moron.
My issue with this explanation is one of the typical things that I find irritating when dealing with religion:
"In pre-genisis creation there was only god, his glory, and the angels. they had free wil then they were not bound by right and wrong there was no sin nothing to do that was eveil it was basically the Nirvana that is heaven. Satan decided one day that he wanted to rise above and"become like the Most High". he failed and god threw him and 1/3 of the angels out of heaven. after that the bible never mentions anything about angels having a free will. Man is what brought about evil. "through one man sin enterd the world..."(adam)"
Typographical issues aside, as I understand it, you're saying that Satan and his posse of angels decided they wanted to elevate themselves (they would have fit in perfectly in the 80's business world, I'm thinking), they got into a big scrum uptown with God and HIS posse, God & Co. laid the smack down and chucked Satan and his buddies out. That's all fine. But then you suddenly switch from the possession of free will and the subsequent stripping of it from Satan, et al., over to man bringing about evil. You start with what looks like it's going to be an explanation of how evil evolved from this great battle amongst the angels, and then BAM, you just say man brought about evil and quote the Bible. I just don't see the connection, which I'm sure to you means I am an idiot, but I don't think there IS a connection that you can explain. So please, if you can, do.
Also, if "through one MAN sin entered the world" (emphasis mine), how do you explain the way the Church, which is rooted in religion, which is derived from this supposedly true story of God and His Adventures has instead placed the blame for Original Sin largely with women, and has used that designation to personify women from inconsequential to the weaker sex to evil, and more or less any other negative thing they can come up with?
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2004-12-10 11:03:31 EST (#)
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Jesus Christ Almighty.
Stop being such a twat, kid. And learn to fucking spell, for the sake of Bob.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2004-12-10 06:39:11 EST (#)
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The bible (and religion) contains a system of morals to be taught through symbols and allegory.
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2004-12-10 04:51:15 EST (#)
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scientifically explain how you
a) part the seas
b) turn water into wine (I want to learn that trick)
oh and Toxic. If you know all this from reading the bible I imagine you have spent a great deal of time reading it... and possibly studying other books of religeon. Now, as much as I hate to say this because you are a rude, egotistical bollock, but you appear to know the subject well.
The only problem being - you undoubtadly know little else on other subjects - having spent so much time understanding about a book (which we all agreed has been changed so many times over the years its probably now non-valid to anyone other than bible bashers who need a crutch in life).
So if this was a different subject who'd be the dumbass.
Learn the violin, freak.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2004-12-10 04:07:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-12-10 04:02:11 (#)
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why do .BMP's make baby jeebus cry?
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And then it was said down from the mountaintops, Uberusers shall be lazy contemptous bastards. Causing extra effort shall be punished with great vengeance and furious anger.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-12-10 04:02:11 EST (#)
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why do .BMP's make baby jeebus cry?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2004-12-10 03:58:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 01:01:08 (#)
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I'm not an alter. I'm a newbie.
Ph34r M3h!11shiftone1!111!!
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Alter. And has good taste, being a Jack Handy fan and all.
Submitted by Impassive-Digressive (user info) at 2004-12-10 03:34:00 EST (#)
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For all problems, assume a perfectly spherical Jesus of constant density D:
1. Bob and Joe are standing on a street corner. God loves each an equal amount L_0. Bob then accelerates to .9c. In Joe's rest frame, how much does God now love Bob?
2. Sven, a Catholic, is in a state of grace. He then has sex with sheep S.
1. What is Sven's atonement coefficient following the act if the sheep was not willing?
2. What if the sheep, while not technically being willing, could not be said to mind either?
3. Let the eternal, all abiding love of the Holy Spirit be the xy plane. Let Sue's soul be at (0,0,5) at t = 0 sec., traveling at 5 m/s in the direction of the positive z axis. Everything is in Cartesian coordinates bespeaking subscription to a perfectly rational Enlightenment attitude towards the Universe. At what time t will Sue be saved? (Hint: Assume a point soul.)
4. Assume the Rapture occurs at time t. Cornelia, a saved human weighing 90 kg, in a state of grace, has her head in the closing jaws of an alligator at time t. What mass of meat will remain to the alligator at time t + 10 sec.?
5. Stan is a frictionless, massless Mormon in a rest state. His sin level for his faith is currently 11 McBeals. He eats .3 kg of pork, and enjoys it very much. Assume that the Jews are right about, well, pretty much, everything.
1. What is Stan's sin level now?
2. Stan is one of them Salt Lake CIty Mormons. He ain't so damn smug now, is he?
6. 25 grams of wafers and 20 ml of cheap wine undergo transubstantiation and become the flesh and blood of our Lord. How many Joules of heat are released by the transformation?
Submitted by RouteTwo (user info) at 2004-12-10 03:12:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by antluvdog (user info) at 2004-12-09 18:26:53 (#)
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If you put the Hebrew book of Genesis in an equal letter skip (ELS) software program, start with the first letter, skip to the 50th, skip to the 100th, and then skip to the 150th, what Hebrew word is spelled out, what corresponding English word is produced, why is this phenomenon special, and what other books in the Bible can be used to reproduce this phenomenon?
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No offense--I hate that "ELS" shit. Have you ever seen the movie Pi? I'd bet whoever discovered that "phenomenon" you mentioned above had tried every possible combination first before they found that. If you look hard enough, you can find anything, anywhere...God does not exist, but if he did, it would be just as ignorant to say that the appearance of the letters "G-O-D" on a touch tone phone was a miracle. Oh, and, http://www.ubersite.com/m/36318.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 01:23:15 EST (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 01:01:08 (#)
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I'm not an alter. I'm a newbie.
Ph34r M3h!11shiftone1!111!!
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shenanigans
Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 01:01:08 EST (#)
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I'm not an alter. I'm a newbie.
Ph34r M3h!11shiftone1!111!!
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alter show yourself you pussy
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 00:55:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 00:43:58 (#)
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It's not an analogy, it's a statement. He says He is a jealous God, and this is your reason for not worshipping false Gods (hence the 'for I am...').
-2 for 'epitamy'.
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"yes i can't spell, punctuate, use grammar correctly" sue me
Submitted by CoreaPeekay (user info) at 2004-12-10 00:49:18 EST (#)
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God is the superking, he can do whatever he wants and get away with it.
Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 00:43:58 EST (#)
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It's not an analogy, it's a statement. He says He is a jealous God, and this is your reason for not worshipping false Gods (hence the 'for I am...').
-2 for 'epitamy'.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2004-12-10 00:23:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-09 18:37:54 (#)
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"For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God."
Jealousy : Envy : Sin. Why is God a sinner?
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he is talking about bowing down to false gods. he is saying if your worshiping a god worship me the one true god. god envys noone. the thing you need to understand which you will never be able to wrap your mind around. is that fact that god cannot sin. there is nothing he can do that is sin. he is god he is the epitamy of perfection. he can do no wrong. he doesnt go by human guidelines. he is god. You know murder is wrong.(hopefully). but if it was god killing someone,this is an analogy dont jump on this like its the last chopper out of 'nam, it wouldnt be wrong. i dont expect you to understand. just to tear that apart but whatever.
Submitted by DisneylandBurnedDown (user info) at 2004-12-10 00:10:07 EST (#)
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