breastfeeding and sexual pleasure - is it illegal? (2744 hits)
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Submitted by Shandythedog (View user info) at 2005-01-31 03:03:21 EST
A few years ago i heard somewhere that an american mother had her baby taken away from her by the authorities because she had told a friend that she experienced sexual pleasure (maybe orgasm, i can't remember) during breastfeeding. The 'friend' apparently reported her to the 'authorities'.
I don't know whether this is a true story or an urban myth. My googling has turned up lots of stuff debating whether or not sexual feelings during breastfeeding are normal, and i also found this odd article about a woman who had her kid removed because of a photo of the baby sucking her nipple: http://www.007b.com/breastfeeding_sexual.php. This article about changing attitudes to child rearing and sexuality, though a bit long and academic, also looks quite interesting: http://web.mit.edu/21fms/www/faculty/henry3/pub/spock.html
But i haven't been able to find a reference to this supposed case where the key point was that the mother 'confessed' to sexual pleasure from breastfeeding.
Did anyone hear about that case? Or any other similar cases?
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Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2005-02-28 08:11:36 EST (#)
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The stuff that's present in breast milk at birth is called "colostrum".
Men who haven't had the pleasure of being with a woman who experiences
orgasm as a result of direct nipple stimulation are missing out. Adds
a whole new dimension to titty-fucking.
The problem with adaptationist explanations for *anything* (including
female orgasm) is that they are post hoc and untestable. I can make
up a story about just about any bodily function I want to, that doesn't
make it true. There is an absolutely fantastic essay on the subject
by Stephen Jay Gould called "Male Nipples and Clitoral Ripples"
laying out the biological case that female orgasm mainly derives from
the structural homology between the clitoris and the head of the penis.
A lot of people have tried to disprove his arguments, but they've all
failed; in my opinion because they are letting strong political views
get in the way of their ability to objectively analyze their own data.
Note that these arguments don't mean the female orgasm is *useless*,
just that they didn't evolve as an adaptation to a biological selection
pressure.
Just as a couple of points to stimulate thought on this, if you're not
convinced: Is conception dramatically less likely if the woman doesn't
come? Do women in primitive cultures tend to experience orgasm, or does
sex in those societies have a lot more in common with what modern society
considers rape? Is there any correlation between the man who performs well
in bed and gives multiple orgasms every time, and the man who makes an
ideal father? If female orgasm confers an evolutionary advantage, how come
it's less connected to the act of penetration and male orgasm than it is
to non-penetrative stimulation of the clit?
Female orgasm is the ultimate biological free lunch. Way better than
these useless miniature tits I get stuck with...
Submitted by Mario (user info) at 2005-02-28 08:00:00 EST (#)
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Colostrum, it's called colostrum.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2005-02-28 07:37:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:41:48 (#)
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that's what i used to think too fuckface, and i was on the verge of reporting my wife.
but new studies have shown that lack of breastfeeding can turn you into a poof.
so what to do? let my wife molest my child, or allow my child to become a poof?
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:26:14 (#)
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Breastfeeding is a sickening, incestuous and paedophilic practise, and I hope all mothers who attempt it are imprisoned until their traumatized young become adults.
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Are you two serious? Have you EVER been to a biology class IN YOUR LIFE? Do you understand the concept of a cow's udder? Do you understand that EVERY, and I shall repeat that, *EVERY* land-borne mammal ON THE PLANET breast feeds their young. The young of these animals are unable to chew solid food, and therefore are provided for by the mothers milk. Would you prefer to be sat at Sunday lunch with your parents while your mom chews your baby's food then spits it into his eagerly awaiting mouth like a bird?
During the first couple of weeks of breastfeeding, the amount of milk is relatively low. It's a different substance which contains white blood cells from the mothers to help boost the childs own undeveloped immune system. I'm not looking up the name, I just remember it from Human Biology.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-02-04 19:31:18 EST (#)
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actually, on the usefuleness of female orgasm topic, i once saw a film done with cunt-cam in which the cervix snapped down at orgasm and actively sucked up the jism from some place where it lay pooling. so it seems the best chance of getting a female human pregnant is to come just before she does.
Submitted by Jo_of_the_golden_P (user info) at 2005-02-04 01:09:41 EST (#)
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I'm with Rad on this one. I had the shit beat out of me as a kid, and I don't think that's right, but I think, used sparingly, spanking can be effective. Sparingly being the keyword. Spank the kid 2 or 3 times a week and they become immune. 2 or 3 times a year and it sends a powerful message.
I just want to restate that hitting kids because you are angry/drunk/mentally compromised is not something I agree with at all.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-02-02 18:06:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2005-02-01 04:04:52 (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-01-31 17:51:56 (#)
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Serves the same purpose as an orgasm. Keeps the female from moving around and dislodging the infants or dislodging the seed.
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Most biologists agree that the female orgasm serves no adaptive purpose whatsoever.
But god forbid the breeding mammal should dislodge your glorious seed. It's not as though there are a few hundred million of them runing down her thighs or anything.
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Exactly. Running down her thighs as she walks away. As oppossed to staying in place if she's flat on her back and still recovering from a pleasurable experience.
And I'm not being an advocate for MY seed (God knows there are enough of those world-wide). I'm just looking at it from a purely physical/evolutionary point of view.
The orgasm could also serve to bond. Guy A gives no thrills. Guy B gives a little thrill. Guy C blows off the top of your head every time. Who are you gonna stay with? The orgasm gives her the impetus to hold that particular mated pair together.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2005-02-02 17:43:48 EST (#)
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i read in a cosmo once that there is like 5% of women that can orgasm from their nipples. now, unlike men women generally need to be in the mindset to orgasm, but i don't see why it wouldn't be possible.
that woman should fucking kill her friend for opening her fat mouth.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-02-02 17:39:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2005-02-01 04:04:52 (#)
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Most biologists agree that the female orgasm serves no adaptive purpose whatsoever.
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I never understood this reasoning. Wouldn't females that experienced orgasms be more likely to willingly mate in the future? A willing mate is an easier mate, so females that experienced orgasms would produce the most offspring.
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2005-02-01 04:04:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-01-31 17:51:56 (#)
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Serves the same purpose as an orgasm. Keeps the female from moving around and dislodging the infants or dislodging the seed.
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Most biologists agree that the female orgasm serves no adaptive purpose whatsoever.
But god forbid the breeding mammal should dislodge your glorious seed. It's not as though there are a few hundred million of them runing down her thighs or anything.
Submitted by Kent_Weirdo (user info) at 2005-02-01 03:57:44 EST (#)
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That's bullshit. The first place that I'd crack down on are those diaper ads. Why the fuck do they always have to have a shot of the baby running buck-ass naked through a patch of reeds? What the fuck is the significance? Who's the sick bastard that keeps filming this?
Submitted by Siren (user info) at 2005-02-01 03:47:16 EST (#)
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I once heard tale of an eight year old having not been weaned from breast feeding before. That has to be awkward at some point. And by the way, ew! I know nipples are sensitive and stuff, but I wouldn't be able to detach the stimulation from what was doing the stimulating long enough to be aroused. If the kid is overweight by the next doctor visit, we'll know the mom is a perv.
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2005-02-01 03:32:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-01-31 17:51:56 (#)
Pretty fucking liberal use of the word 'we,' unless you have begun lactating.
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Oh, sorry, I thought I started off that paragraph by stating
that my personal experience was secondhand. Two parents,
two input streams into the decision process: sounds a lot
like "we" to me.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-01-31 21:27:04 EST (#)
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I don't think breastfeeding should be considered a taboo in any circumstance unless the child is too old.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-01-31 18:27:16 EST (#)
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there are claims that orgasm increases milk flow
could just be boasting though
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-01-31 17:51:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2005-01-31 11:00:54 (#)
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My own experience is secondhand. We breastfed our daughter until age 2...
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Pretty fucking liberal use of the word 'we,' unless you have begun lactating.
Much anecdotal suggests in general that there is a good feeling. Serves the same purpose as an orgasm. Keeps the female from moving around and dislodging the infants or dislodging the seed.
Submitted by Yes (user info) at 2005-01-31 17:46:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2005-01-31 10:56:24 (#)
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mmmmmm titty milk
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-01-31 17:36:08 EST (#)
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thanks coyote, that's very helpful
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-01-31 11:42:44 EST (#)
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bitty later
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2005-01-31 11:05:06 EST (#)
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Oh, and as to legality, you can probably find whatever you're interested in from www.lalecheleague.org
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2005-01-31 11:00:54 EST (#)
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I have heard of a case like that, in fact it was widely reported in New York State about 10-15 years go-- early 90's, to my recollection. It didn't turn out to be true though. Or rather, it was more complicated than that.
Social services removed a three-year old from the mother's custody because of a fear that the child was at severe risk for sexual abuse. The mother went to the press and claimed it was because she was breast-feeding the toddler and had mentioned to a friend that she found the sensation pleasurable and even arousing. Apparently confidentiality laws prevented family services from disclosing what prompted the removal, although they issued a statement to the effect that it wasn't the breastfeeding, and that they recognized that breast-feeding is often quite pleasurable. There are periodically removals of 5-6 year olds from mothers who are still breast-feeding them, I believe, but judges have typically ordered that custody be returned to the parents right away, unless something else is going on. In my opinion, people who breastfeed 5-6 year olds usually have more problems than just whether or not breastfeeding a kid in school is appropriate.
My own experience is secondhand. We breastfed our daughter until age 2 because after reading all the literature available it seemed like the logical cutoff point. No feelings of sexual arousal to report from anyone involved. By age 2 it had become a hassle and a burden, and in my opinion was more psychologically useful than nutritionally. I wouldn't cut any child off the breast before 18 months though. Unless, I guess, they're biters.
As for cracked nipples... c'mon folks, that's what fathers and lanolin-based creams are for...
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2005-01-31 10:56:24 EST (#)
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mmmmmm titty milk
Submitted by congo (user info) at 2005-01-31 10:26:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by carolrichards (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:05:28 (#)
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I breast fed all my children for a sum of five years, countless times. Not once was I mildly aroused or even comfortable doing it.
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This reminds me of my favorite Homer Simpson quote:
"MMMMMmmmmmmmmm. Caaaaaaarol Riiiiiiiichards booooooobies. *drooool*"
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-01-31 10:12:31 EST (#)
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do you really care?
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2005-01-31 10:00:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:53:27 (#)
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If breastfeeding felt really bad, before cows were farmed for milk, I imagine a lot of mothers would just throw their babies into a ditch and forget about them.
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No, I liked breastfeeding. They kept making these fucking noises, though.
I defy anyone to tell me they haven't thrown AT LEAST half of their children into a ditch.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-01-31 09:47:15 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:41:48 (#)
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that's what i used to think too fuckface, and i was on the verge of reporting my wife.
but new studies have shown that lack of breastfeeding can turn you into a poof.
so what to do? let my wife molest my child, or allow my child to become a poof?
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If he's a poof he can't root his mum.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2005-01-31 09:14:44 EST (#)
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I didn't hear about that case but I did read that one about Shandy smoking pole.
Submitted by Ainkara (user info) at 2005-01-31 09:01:12 EST (#)
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From what I hear, there's a very unique feeling from breastfeeding, that does actually feel good. I wouldn't know though.
Anyway, are you coming to Sydney Shandy?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-01-31 08:35:20 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/58180
I meant this. Sorry, I'm tired.
Have a +2
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-01-31 08:33:41 EST (#)
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Obligatory linkwhoring from the inspiration.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/58169 (Thanks Shandy)
+2 to anyone who looked at that link and thought "pr0n".
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2005-01-31 07:53:48 EST (#)
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bitty
hungry
bitty
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-01-31 07:33:20 EST (#)
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This might seem wrong, but I'v always found the sight of a mother breastfeeding quite arousing.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:54:59 EST (#)
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I had a run in with child protective services, once.
I was about 6 or so and took a header off of my bike. I lost a tooth, had a black eye, and even had some cool, badass stitches in my lip.
A week later I got a "visit" by child protection because someone on my street saw my battered condition and assumed that my parents were woopin' me.
i was pretty young, but from what i remember they asked:
"do your parents ever do bad things to you?"
"are you fed enough?"
and my favorite...
"do your parents ever lock you up in the closet?"
I guess lots of abused kids get locked up in closets. I remember laughing at most of the questions...if i knew how big a deal it was I probably would have been nervous and ended up appearing emotionally bitch slapped.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:45:02 EST (#)
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Exactly. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I think I'll clean up that reply and repost it. Your post inspired me.
Submitted by Soley_Trinity (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:44:12 EST (#)
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Eeeeew! Breast feeding your infant is not sexually pleasurable, well it wasn't in my experience. All I'm saying is....Cracked nipples.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:37:25 EST (#)
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very well put rad.
i think there are similar civilians with similar amazing powers here in australia, with a definite bias against men being the norm
also wholesale acceptance here of the current 'smacking is bad' ideology.
mind you, it would be a difficult job i guess being in child protection - damned if you do and damned if you don't kind of thing. as well as the ridiculous stories of children being taken away from parents who smacked them in public, you also hear of cases where the authorities fail to act, ie fail to remove the child from bad parents who end up killing it.
Submitted by theshrew (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:28:44 EST (#)
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your mum sucked my nipples and i came in my pants
Submitted by mystiamoon (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:14:40 EST (#)
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what the hell man if they are comin at you , means they want somthin ,more better you look after them and care for them ,than they get on the street uh?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:06:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by carolrichards (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:05:28 (#)
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I breast fed all my children for a sum of five years, countless times. Not once was I mildly aroused or even comfortable doing it.
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You should have kept them on the teat until they were at least six then.
Submitted by carolrichards (user info) at 2005-01-31 04:05:28 EST (#)
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I breast fed all my children for a sum of five years, countless times. Not once was I mildly aroused or even comfortable doing it.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:53:27 EST (#)
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If breastfeeding felt really bad, before cows were farmed for milk, I imagine a lot of mothers would just throw their babies into a ditch and forget about them.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:47:36 EST (#)
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So I tried to seem natural, not cover up or anything. But then she said, 'Can I touch it?'...I honestly didn't think about it for more than a second. I just said sure. And, um, she did. She...held it for a second.[...] I started to get an erection.
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eeeeeewwww. Creepy man.
Anywho.
Here in the States, we have a governmental agency called Child Protective Services. Usually run by individual states, it was established by some very well meaning legislation. Later, it was hijacked by liberal do-gooders with an agenda. Here is the website for my state's (I also happen to be employed by this department)http://www.dcfs.state.nv.us/
Now, this agency has the responsibility of investigating any and every report of abuse and neglect it fields. This sounds all good so far? The agency does not have the responsibility to report anything to law enforcement. The problem with this is you have a bunch of civilians trying to enforce and investigate criminal statutes.
Well Rad, how exactly does a non-law enforcement agency enforce laws? Ahh, good question faithful reader. The CPS investigator has the right to take your child from you. At her discretion. Sure you get the kid back if charges are not filed, but they keep records on you comparable to J. Edgar in the 50's
This setup works fairly well with well trained, objective investigators. Unfortunately, most people who run the agency, as well as work for the agency are liberals with progressive values. You think this is an unfair sterotype? Just go ask anyone who says, "I want to work with children", what their politics are.
Do you use corporal punishment? How many times have you been shopping for dinner and the kid in front of you in line is bugging the shit out of thier moms for a candy bar. The mother can only take so much badgering from the kid until she gives in, and you stand aghast that the parent is controlled by the child. If that was your child, you would have done anything from yell at her to spank her. Well, it doesn't conform to the progressive norm, so if you are investigated for spanking the kid in the grocery store, your kid might be placed in alternative care. Ever wonder why there are so many out of control youth? Snobby, bratty, spoiled, mean, criminal, needy kids? They are the result of progressive discipline.
You tell your friend that you have a physical reaction from breastfeeding that includes sexual stimulation and the friend reports you. The caseworker investigating you happens to have been molested by her mother when she was an infant. So what happens? Good bye, baby.
Don't get me wrong, the agency needs to exist and bad people need to be punished, children need to be protected. The agency needs to be held more accountable for actions it takes, and need to be run to the same professional integrity as law enforcement.
"That Big Brother is being created soley by the right wing is an illusion. A government with its hands in your pockets, ears on your telephone, and eyes in your bedroom is being imposed by those on both sides of the asile. The face of Big Brother is in the PATRIOT act, but the heart and soul is in every social program created since 1933."
-Rad
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:41:48 EST (#)
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that's what i used to think too fuckface, and i was on the verge of reporting my wife.
but new studies have shown that lack of breastfeeding can turn you into a poof.
so what to do? let my wife molest my child, or allow my child to become a poof?
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:26:14 EST (#)
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Breastfeeding is a sickening, incestuous and paedophilic practise, and I hope all mothers who attempt it are imprisoned until their traumatized young become adults.
Submitted by Joemama (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:18:44 EST (#)
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No.....but its going to get worse
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2005-01-31 03:04:51 EST (#)
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No.