Have we embarked on a Jihad of our own? (828 hits)
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Submitted by InsoManiac (View user info) at 2005-02-10 15:37:09 EST
I am extremely disturbed at the path that our country's "quest for freedom" is seeming to take as of late. Actually, I believe in my heart that it has always been this way, but more and more it becomes apparent in the public arena.
The following is an excerpt taken from GOPUSA.com, obviously, a website devoted to projecting the conservative agenda. I find it disturbing on many levels:
Here is a sample of Tim's warning to all "infidels."
"I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breathe with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. Following is the Islamic message to the West. To the infidels of the West: Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction. We will fight the infidel to death.
Meanwhile:
American laws will protect us.
Democrats and Leftist will support us.
UNO will legitimize us. (United Nations Organization)
CAIR will incubate us. (Council on American-Islamic Relations)
ACLU will empower us. (American Civil Liberties Union)
Western Universities will educate us.
Mosques will shelter us.
OPEC will finance us.
Hollywood will love us.
Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists."
As ominous as Tim's warning to non-Muslims is, is it possible that all the dangers he cites would be crushed if moderate Muslims would admit that there is a threat? If these people are truly "moderate" they will be considered weak and will be killed as well. Moderate Muslims seem oblivious to the danger and seem to feel that the mere fact that they are Muslim will protect them. That certainly isn't helping the Iraqi Muslims
You can read it for yourself here:
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/bstock/2005/bs_02101.shtml
It is becoming more and more apparent that this "War on Terrorism" is really a "War on Islam". Or should we call it what it really is: a CRUSADE. That's right, boys and girls. This is a religious war, plain and simple. Of course, there are grandiose ideas of world domination and power, but when it comes down to the people who are (publicly at least) running things, it's a war of conflicting religions and ideologies. Iraq is only the beginning.
The people who founded this country did so partly to escape the religious persecution they faced as a result of being a colony of England. Obviously this wasn't the only reason, but they realized that in order for any free society to function, there must be a separation of church and state. I am truly appalled at our government's recently renewed attempts to regulate religion on the masses. Our president can be a religious man, that's fine, I don't even care if he says "God bless America", but when he professes that we live in a "Christian nation", and that he believes that everything he does is right in "God's eyes", that's when I get a little pissed. I am a Christian, born and raised, and have studied the bible most of my adult life. I don't happen to agree with most of it, but I also don't try to argue my beliefs with other people. That is up to them to decide for themselves. That is the very essence of what makes our country great. When our president tells the world that we are a Christian nation he is forsaking all those in our country who are not. Regardless of whether or not the majority of Americans are Christian or not, we have a responsibility to keep that in the private sector. I can not even begin to describe to you how disgusted I am with the so-called "faith based initiative". While I agree with what its expressed purpose is, I think that there are far too many fallacies inherent in any such program to ever be credible and to have a place in a society such as ours.
I make a point to not be overly paranoid when it comes to national and global affairs, because it seems like every other week we are on the brink of some new nuclear war, and its up to only us to save us, and what do we do, oh my god!?! I stay out of that. I find this impossible now. If you look at the ENTIRE course of human history, and all the people who have died because other people in the world didn't believe exactly what every other person believed, then there is indeed a grim road ahead of us. What makes us think now that we are any different? Because we have new technology? All that means is that we have the ability to kill even more people based on some belief that our "elected" leader has. I agree terrorism is a problem that must be dealt with, but not at the cost of igniting an entire religion against us. We have already opened this particular can of worms, and it will be a sad day indeed when the world realizes that we have embarked on a modern day crusade against Islam itself.
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Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-15 17:50:37 EST (#)
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Thank you come again.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-02-15 14:53:44 EST (#)
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What did I say? WHAT DID I SAY?
"JUST DONT FUCK UP AGAIN, PLEASE"
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fuck you, I'm done.
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-12 12:30:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-02-11 16:37:22 (#)
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I love the fact that your 'source' of this election information is the World Socialist website - a pretty obvious axe to grind there.
If you READ all the information, you will note that the election is rigged and was in NO WAY 'democratic'! There were no open candidates, President Thieu was a puppet, and Marshall Ky was the military ruler of Vietnam. Did you catch that in your Google search, kid?
Posting propaganda articles from communist websites will not make you popular around here - I'm going to cut you a break and not rip you a new asshole - JUST DONT FUCK UP AGAIN, PLEASE
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I didnt claim to be searching for popularity. And just because you happen to be getting on in years does not mean that everyone on here is a kid. Watch what you assume.
I do not remember ever posting anything from the World Socialist Website. In fact, Im sure I didnt. So I dont know what exactly you are talking about.
As far as the Vietnam elections being rigged, I dont ever remember saying they werent. You might want to read through this again. You seem to be confused. I also dont ever remember saying that the elections in Iraq were legit either. In fact, I believe just the opposite. Do you know exactly how much of your tax money went to support Allawi? I dont either, and theres a reason we dont: they dont want you to know. Of course the election was rigged in Vietnam. And, similarily, of course it was rigged in Iraq. If you believe otherwise, then you have fallen into exactly the trap that this administration wants you to. Or, in other words, welcome to "mainstream" America. It makes me sick.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-02-11 16:37:22 EST (#)
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I love the fact that your 'source' of this election information is the World Socialist website - a pretty obvious axe to grind there.
If you READ all the information, you will note that the election is rigged and was in NO WAY 'democratic'! There were no open candidates, President Thieu was a puppet, and Marshall Ky was the military ruler of Vietnam. Did you catch that in your Google search, kid?
Posting propaganda articles from communist websites will not make you popular around here - I'm going to cut you a break and not rip you a new asshole - JUST DONT FUCK UP AGAIN, PLEASE.
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-11 14:12:42 EST (#)
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You stupid gay pirate, get the hell off my post. You will be killed.
Submitted by UberPirate (user info) at 2005-02-11 13:43:40 EST (#)
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ooooohhh so saaaalty....
Submitted by UberPirate (user info) at 2005-02-11 13:29:15 EST (#)
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You licked my nutsack and said it was salty.
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-11 13:19:48 EST (#)
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JonnyX said:
Well, JonnyX was alive during the Vietnam War, and I can tell you categorically that the above statement is total bullshit.
There were no democratic elections in Vietnam. EVER. Vietnam has been Communist since 1974, between 1945-74, it was divided into 2 halves, Communist North and Republican South (which stil wasn't a democracy), the Japs had it during WWII, and then the French administered French Indo-China for about 30 yrs prior to that, and in the previous century it has been a feudal society, ruled by kings, dominated by China for a long time, etc etc.
NO democratic tradion whatsoever.
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I find it odd that someone who was alive during this time is not aware of the elections that were in fact held in 1967 in Vietnam. It was seen at the time as a great victory, and encouraged the entire country for a short time. Im fairly sure that other publications besides the New York Times reported on it. I would imagine many did. There was an 83% turnout rate for this election, despite the threat from the vietcong of violence at the polls. Sound familiar?
Apparently you didnt pay much attention to the world around you back then. I was not alive then, this is true, but I know how to read and research. A simple Google search for "Vietnam Election" will bring up numerous websites touching on the topic. Just because you were alive then does not automatically make you an authority, apparently.
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-11 12:43:13 EST (#)
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UberPirate, you are hilarious.
Oh, wait. No, I read your posts. No youre not.
Ill write something more at your 3rd grade reading level next time, so you can feel like you participated.
Submitted by UberPirate (user info) at 2005-02-11 08:34:45 EST (#)
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I've heard you suck the cock.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-02-10 19:28:01 EST (#)
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You probably arent old enough to remember, but there was this war in a far away place called Vietnam back in the 60's. I wasnt alive then myself, but I have read articles from the New York Times which were written immediately after the first democratic elections in that nation. You could, literally, replace "Vietnam" with "Iraq", and it would be impossible to determine then from now. The SAME THING happened then, and look what happened.
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Well, JonnyX was alive during the Vietnam War, and I can tell you categorically that the above statement is total bullshit.
There were no democratic elections in Vietnam. EVER. Vietnam has been Communist since 1974, between 1945-74, it was divided into 2 halves, Communist North and Republican South (which stil wasn't a democracy), the Japs had it during WWII, and then the French administered French Indo-China for about 30 yrs prior to that, and in the previous century it has been a feudal society, ruled by kings, dominated by China for a long time, etc etc.
NO democratic tradion whatsoever.
And btw, getting your history of the Vietnam War from the New York Times is the most ridiculous thing I have heard of. The New York Times was to the _extreme_ left when it came to the War, along with the Washington Post. I don't necessarily blame them, they were trying to sell papers.
Seriously, the modern equivalent of that would be saying "I get all my information about the entire world and the war on Iraq directly from the press office of the Bush Administration."
The TRUTH of the matter is that Vietnam and Iraq are absolutely nothing like each other, other than being wars overseas that were unpopular at home.
Sorry to bust your chops on this one, kid, but the old man's got you here - I can expound more on this should you so wish...
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:57:29 EST (#)
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Of course this is a crusade, it always has been. If you really want to have trouble sleeping at night, look up the Christian sect to which W belongs. I don't recall the details off the top of my head, but it's all very end times. The reason these people support Israel at all costs even though we all know that Jews are evil and killed Jesus is that they believe that some Temple or other in Jerusalem has to be rebuilt in order to bring about the Second Coming of Christ.
(which by the way is a real thing to them and not just something you yell at some dumb ass who is not moving fast enough through a green light)
The problem is, right now there is a Mosque in this spot where they want a Temple built.
Apparently the all mighty God is not powerful enough to return to earth to "judge the living and the dead" as long as there are traffic cones and super market rubber sticks in his way.
Not that I'm a big fan is Islam but goddamn.
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:46:52 EST (#)
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If anyone wants to have a serious discussion, feel free to email me, find my address in my user info. Bear in mind, however, that there is a very good possibility that I will quote you in future posts, should I ever do one on this or other related subjects. Dont say anything you wouldnt want the rest of Uber to read.
:-)
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:44:31 EST (#)
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If he was intent on wiping out Muslims or starting a holy war why would he go after a Iraq, the most secular state in the Middle East? Or be trying to encourage peace between Israel and Palestine(more than any other president in the last 15 yrrs)? Maybe it is because he really wants democracy in the Middle East, or at least stability that doesn't involve iron fisted dictators?
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You probably arent old enough to remember, but there was this war in a far away place called Vietnam back in the 60's. I wasnt alive then myself, but I have read articles from the New York Times which were written immediately after the first democratic elections in that nation. You could, literally, replace "Vietnam" with "Iraq", and it would be impossible to determine then from now. The SAME THING happened then, and look what happened.
Now, I only bring this up to point out the fact that elections are a necessary part of reparations after a country has been devastated by war. Especially necessary in this case because we completely destroyed the regime that was in power.
2 years ago the reason for war was WMD. 1 year ago it was terrorists. Now its "democracy". I wonder what it will be next year.
W. NEVER went there for democracy. He went there for oil, and because we needed a new base in the Middle East. Whether or not you believe it was to destroy Islam or not is really an opinion you are perfectly entitled to. I wont argue with you. But believe me when I say that Iraq is really only the beginning. Iran is next. If you wanted to conquer the Middle East, where would YOU start? I would start with Iraq. Strategically, it is by far the best base of operations. Even if there was no oil, we would have invaded. WMD's, just like 'democracy' is only an excuse used to sell their agenda to the people of our country, who, it turns out, are just not quite informed and aware enough to realize the truth about the way our world works.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:26:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:21:32 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:17:13 (#)
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I am sure 90 percent of the people who are in support of the war on terror are not supporters of wiping out Muslims. You taking that one article from a website would be like me taking an article from Al-Jazeera website that said the US was out to get Muslims, and use that to justify all Muslims hating the US.
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Actually, this was just an example in writing of something that I have believed for a long time.
Im sure these supporters are also not in favor of wiping out Muslims. How very convinient that they have an administration running this war that has absolutely no qualms about lying to them to advance their agenda. Whether they support a religious war or not, they support W., so they support it by proxy. "
If he was intent on wiping out Muslims or starting a holy war why would he go after a Iraq, the most secular state in the Middle East? Or be trying to encourage peace between Israel and Palestine(more than any other president in the last 15 yrrs)? Maybe it is because he really wants democracy in the Middle East, or at least stability that doesn't involve iron fisted dictators?
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:21:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:17:13 (#)
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I am sure 90 percent of the people who are in support of the war on terror are not supporters of wiping out Muslims. You taking that one article from a website would be like me taking an article from Al-Jazeera website that said the US was out to get Muslims, and use that to justify all Muslims hating the US.
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Actually, this was just an example in writing of something that I have believed for a long time.
Im sure these supporters are also not in favor of wiping out Muslims. How very convinient that they have an administration running this war that has absolutely no qualms about lying to them to advance their agenda. Whether they support a religious war or not, they support W., so they support it by proxy.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:17:13 EST (#)
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I am sure 90 percent of the people who are in support of the war on terror are not supporters of wiping out Muslims. You taking that one article from a website would be like me taking an article from Al-Jazeera website that said the US was out to get Muslims, and use that to justify all Muslims hating the US.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:09:59 EST (#)
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This post is just Bush league.
If you were a man I would punch you.
I would punch you right in the mouth.
Submitted by DamienX (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:09:50 EST (#)
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I love political & theological debates.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:09:13 EST (#)
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Iraq has more religious freedom now then it ever did under Saddam.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:08:23 EST (#)
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How is it a religious war?
Indonesia is the biggest muslim country in the world, are we aggresive towards them? What about Egypt, Saudi Arabia(arguably the center of the Muslim world). The fact is Muslims have more rights here than in any of those countries, so until that changes don't tell me the US is trying to start a war against Muslims. We started a war against terrorists, and if some muslim groups decide to use that to try and unite Muslims against us so they forget how little freedom they have so be it, but don't compare our fight to a Jihad.
Submitted by Adjomak (user info) at 2005-02-10 16:06:40 EST (#)
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Unfortunately, a lot of people have gotten it into their heads that this country was founded on ideas of religious freedom. The first people to arrive from the Old world were the puritans. Can anybody tell me what the puritans were about? Good, they were about founding city so religious that it would make Calvin's Geneva look like Vegas. To that extent, they were willing to persecute anybody who did not accept their beliefs or values, and persecuted them with a passion and zeal. What does that have to with anything? This country was founded on protestant beliefs, one of them being the idea of predestination, and with fact that Islam and Christianity constantly struggling for converts, of course the war between the two will continue to exist until one or the other is victorius. Reason? The religions are to similar to one another, with both talking about a god of mercy, justice, and love, and extremists can't take this, so incite violence to make people forget this message.
So there you have it. The history of the world for the next 100 years at least.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:59:02 EST (#)
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it's hard to stop laughing at that pic
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:56:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by Natsukau (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:48:33 (#)
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If this is all about Islam, then where does North Korea stand?
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You may remember that while our president rushed us to war in Iraq, even LYING to us to get us there, we wanted to deal with North Korea with "diplomacy". Why them and not Sadaam? They obviously posed a greater threat.
Oh yeah, and read the news today. Because we chose to go after Sadaam, and not Kim Jong-Il, they have backed out of talks to disarm, and are instead explicitly pursuing their nuclear arms program.
So good point-what about North Korea? I would say that if it wasnt about destroying Islam, we probably would have gone after them, being that they could ACTUALLY HIT US WITH A NUCLEAR FREAKING WEAPON!!!
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:52:31 EST (#)
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domenad:
I fail to see how someone who makes "valid enough points" can be accused of being a psuedo-intellectual. Thats besides the point though.
What makes modern Christianity any different than 14th century Christianity (when 2 of the crusades occured)?? My example was from a conservative website, basically taking aim at the entire religion of Islam. Even if it is a backwards religion, grounded in violence and the 14th century, as you say, what makes us any better for trying to destroy it? Maybe terrorists are a threat, but we can deal with them without singling out their religion. If they were Jewish, for example, would you have the same attitude towards their religion? I dont think so...
Christianity hasnt, as a religion, progressed all that much from the 14th century, or ever for that matter. How could it, when it's based on a book that itself is 2000 years old???
Submitted by DamienX (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:49:51 EST (#)
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Any military entity whose key offensive tactics involve blowing yourself up
is destined to fail eventually, for obvious reasons. Don't sweat it. In the
longrun they're gonna get pwned.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:49:44 EST (#)
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You make some fine points, but the real reason we're at war: $$$
Cash money oil business.
Submitted by Natsukau (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:48:33 EST (#)
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If this is all about Islam, then where does North Korea stand?
Submitted by Eric_the_Awful (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:48:13 EST (#)
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"I am extremely disturbed at the path that our country's "quest for freedom" is seeming to take as of late."
As of late? Umm, the United States has been doing this bullshit for a LONG LONG time. Ever since the private bankers created the Federal Reserve (Mainly the Rothschilds), the U.S. has been a menace to the planet in the name of profit.
We derserve to fry for being so blind for so long.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:46:10 EST (#)
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This is pseudo-intellectualism at its very height. I won't -2, because some of the points were valid enough. Of course this is a religious war...for Al Qaeda. This is about their religion, not ours. To call this an actual crusade is simply incorrect. The US government hasn't built any churches. It's not uprooting and displacing Islam. Islam is a violent religion still grounded in the 14th century. Is there any surprise it's banging heads with the most advanced nation on the planet?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:41:12 EST (#)
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+2 for the pic. Didn't read the post, but I'm sure it's well-researched and not at all stupid, just like all the other posts in the "politics" category.
Submitted by wtf_is_going_on (user info) at 2005-02-10 15:40:15 EST (#)
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hahahahaha!
Pretty good!