womens studies? (1945 hits)
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Submitted by Chris Svolopoulos <EvilZurr.at.gundamwing.net> (View user info) at 2003-03-30 16:45:37 EST
ok, what the hell IS womens studies exactly? i just had a long talk with my sister who has taken like 3 years of womens studies and her explanation is "opening society's eyes to the oppression of women in modern times." why in the hell would anyone ever want to take a class like that? thats like taking a jewish studies class back in the 40s so you could study how jews were treated in the holocaust. it doesnt DO anything aside from cause tension between men and women. what i gathered from my sis's whole big speil on it is that men have dominated the world in the past and now women are trying to get back at them but making a class to bitch and moan about it. apparently they also talk about men's problems in society, but they dont like to because its womens studies.
before anyone says anything, i want you all to know i havent taken the class and im making my judgements off of my sister, who is a feminist and a lesbian, so i am both biased and ignorant on the subject. i dont plan on taking the class because im gonna be a chem major and so i shouldnt have to study any type of poli-sci at all. so please, inform me as to why we have this class and what purpose it has in society aside from showing everyone how past civilizations treated women poorly. i dont need to have my eyes opened; i oppress everyone equally...
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Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-04-02 17:22:03 EST (#)
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Hairsphincter is wrong, yet again. No surprise there.
Submitted by streetpunk (user info) at 2003-04-02 17:01:51 EST (#)
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Ha, theman is funny. Me like, me like.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2003-04-02 00:58:42 EST (#)
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Clearly TheMan is a fat, middle aged, hairy backed butterball living at home with MOM.
"I am not" TheMan in Denial.
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-04-01 23:36:31 EST (#)
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The firebush, or fire crotch is in reference to the pubic area of a readheaded woman.
Loren,
Although I may be driven by testosterone at times, I do not hate women. In fact, I used to be one. I have no idea what I ever said that would give you the impression I am materialistic.
I love women, more than I should at times, I suppose. Tell you what, you play your cards right, I just may love you as well. Hehe.
And yes, I was joking about me being a woman. Just keeping you on your toes, and hoping to catch you in a spit-take. If you need to know what that is, let me know.
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Ok, I know, I know. I made the last one up. But at least you laughed.
Smell you later. Peace.
Submitted by Nicole3 (user info) at 2003-04-01 13:46:48 EST (#)
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Oh, my god... its perfect. I found this on the first horticulture site I looked at:
Red Sprite Winterberry - Dwarf variety with large _" red fruits in fall. Needs 'Jim Dandy' as a pollinator.
I am sure there are some other good ones out there, but I have some actualy work I should be doing (but probably won't).
Submitted by Nicole3 (user info) at 2003-04-01 13:40:37 EST (#)
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Does anyone know of any bush (plant bush) that is actually red? That might be a good nickname.
Submitted by Nicole3 (user info) at 2003-04-01 13:39:06 EST (#)
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Some people might find a higher calling in her burning bush. hee hee
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-04-01 13:31:51 EST (#)
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or the red snapper?
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-04-01 13:31:38 EST (#)
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sort of like fire in the hole?
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-04-01 13:29:11 EST (#)
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TheMan - Even though you are misogynistic, materialistic, and driven soley by testosterone, that was well said and refreshingly honest. 1 and a half thumbs up.
StreetPunk - what the hell is a "fire crotch?" Sounds like some kind of genital rash.
Loren
Submitted by streetpunk (user info) at 2003-04-01 13:06:48 EST (#)
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Interesting, I did have sex with a fire crotch name Bethany one time. No shit. She was/is one of my all time best friends and one night we just went at it. It was not, however, disapointing. Infact, it was the best sex I ever had. She joined the air force and moved to Germany. It's a damn shame. She is way rad(I love the word rad)
Peace,
STREETPUNK
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-03-31 19:17:40 EST (#)
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Hendrix,
"Hidden, theMan,
I've tried being more of an asshole. It never got any chicks for me. What's the secret?
Jason"
That may just be the problem. The idea is not to be more of an asshole. The idea is to be up front and open about your intentions and motives. Just cut through all the bullshit. Do you really want to wine and dine some lady for 3 months, just to have her move on to somebody else without giving up the goods? (I use 3 months just as an example, personally I stretch to the 3 date limit with no play, then they're out.)
Why should we have play some cat and mouse game to get into their pants? I mean, really now, doens't it all come down to sex? I'm not going to get into the whole argument about loving someone first, that's all a buncha crap. Sure it's nice, but not necessary. Who are we fooling? No one. They know we want to get laid. No one is that naive. Given that fact, it's ludicrous for a man to beat around the bush, trying to look like he doesn't have sex on his mind, thinking that she will be fooled, thus giving it up because she thinks that's not all he wants. Does that make sense?
Maybe all you want is sex, maybe it's not. But sex is one thing you look for. I saw one guy work on this chick for an hour, discussing what he liked in a relationship. Never once did he mention sex. The conversation went back and forth, on and on, and he actually thought he was getting somewhere. There came a point that I had just had enough of this, so I cock blocked him. I spoke up "You wanna know what I look for in a relationship? MInd altering, earth shattering sex." Long story short, she went home with me, and we ended up dating for a year. She knew what the other guy was after, but was impressed I had the balls to just come out and say it.
Hearing that form her was a turning point for me. It was my first clue. It's turned into the attitude I have now about it. Beating around the bush does nothing but waste time and insult the intelligence of the person you're trying to put one over on.
You don't have to be an asshole, just be yourself. If being yourself means being an asshole, well, then, I think you have other problems to iron out first. Just be honest and upfront, because if you don't, you're gonna be miserable and waste a lot of time.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-31 14:22:36 EST (#)
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Problem with this, sky, is that while diversity denotes inclusiveness, it connotative meaning is exclusive. Diversity as practiced by various interest groups means divisive exclusion & discrimination masquarading as inclusion. You want choice ( as is only right & proper) but the mechanism that you think provides you with freedom of choice provides you with formulaic & highly artificial brainwash. Allow me to demonstrate in two examples:
1)
Judith: I do feel, Reg, that any antilmperialist group like ours...
must reflect such a divergence of interest within its power base.
Reg: Oh, great. Francis?
Francis: Yeah, I think Judith's point of view is very valid, Reg,
provided the movement never forgets...
that it is the inalienable right of every man
Stan: Or woman.
Francis: or woman to rid himself
Stan: Or herself.
Francis: or herself - Agreed. Thank you, brother.
Stan: Or sister.
Francis: Or sister. Where was I?
Reg: I think you finished.
Francis: Oh, right.
Reg: Furthermore, it is the birthright of every man
Stan: Or woman.
Reg: Why don't you shut up about women?
Stan: Women have a perfect right to play a part in our movement.
Reg: Why are you always on about women, Stan?
Stan: I want to be one.
Reg: What?
Stan: I want to be a woman.
Stan: From now on, I want you all|to call me "Loretta".
Reg: What?
Stan: It's my right as a man.
Reg: Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
Stan: I want to have babies.
Reg: You want to have babies?
Stan: It's every man's right|to have babies if he wants them.
Reg: But you can't have babies.
Stan: Don't you oppress me.
Reg: I'm not oppressing you. You haven't got a womb.
Where is the fetus gonna gestate?
You're gonna keep it in a box?
Judith: Here, I've got an idea.
Suppose you agree that|he can't actually have babies,
not having a womb which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans'
but that he can have the right to have babies?
Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors...
for your right to have babies, brother
Stan: Sister.
Reg: Sorry.What's the point?
Francis: What?
Reg: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies...
when he can't have babies?
Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Reg(aside): Symbolic of his struggle against reality....
2)
http://www.sagepub.co.uk/journals/Details/issue/sample/a028104.pdf
Submitted by Nicole3 (user info) at 2003-03-31 13:58:30 EST (#)
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I haven't made it through all the comments yet, but here is what I have thus far.
I can understand why there are women's studies/history classes. Makes sense. I have no problem with learning about society and how we got here. I don't think that it should be a major, though. If I majored in history and took a bunch of courses on tribal Africa, I wouldn't earn a degree in Africa. It would still be history. If you take a bunch of courses in womens issues, you should also be required to take some other courses to widen your breadth and major in something like sociology. It may be interesting to learn about gender issues, but how can you make a career out of it? Maybe I don't understand how the whole curriculum goes, but it seems like a crock of shit to me.
With regard to the Hidden/TheMan series of comments, you guys crack me up. I would have no problem if someone came up to me and asked straight up if I wanted to have sex. I would respect his courage. Of course, my answer would be "no" but I wouldn't get upset over it. He would probably be the kind of guy I could be good friends with but wouldn't date. I agree that most women are too concerned with where their relationship stands, they celebrate their 6 month dating anniversary and other crap. I think I have the opposite problem. I don't even know when my boyfriend and I started dating (over 4 yrs ago) and I often get asked "So, when are you two going to get married? Have you talked about getting married?" I don't care. When we feel like getting married, we'll get married. When we feel like moving in together, we'll move in together. Arghh
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-03-31 12:11:39 EST (#)
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what i'm trying to support is having a 'well-rounded' education, which means having choices. I just don't see education as force-fed, it's supposed to give you perspective and insight and the ability to think for yourself. In a college setting, one is usually required to take certain general courses that is, yes, force-fed. But taking a specific course such as "transgendered porcupine history" is not force-fed. Choice, willpower, etc makes the decision to study transgendered porcupines.
'Isn't it perhaps because when you say diversity, you really mean "diversity within the spectrum I find acceptable" ?' --- yes, in part. I'm saying diversity in courses at a university or similar educational institution are important and vital. I'm not saying that elite systems, including universities, media, yadda yadda don't try to force us to think or feel certain ways...I'm just saying that studying lots of specific things could be expanding. I'm not talking about discrimination against rapists, or violent video games.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-31 11:47:52 EST (#)
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Actually I'm more in favour of an all-inclusive approach to studying human phenomena such as history, never forgetting that the history of anal wart sufferers fiction is insignificant with the history of reneisance literature. All things in perspective, perspective dictated by degree of participation in affairs. I am not, as you suggested, supporting a monocultural, patriarchial approach to history, rather I am suggesting that particular viewpoints ought not to emphasized or given greater weight than the import the phenomena central to thes viewpoints had on history itself.
Another issue I have is with the constant use of rhetorical stylings to sell diversity when it is really divisiveness that is being hawked. It is under the guise of that rhetoric that divisive tactics such as the making of "black history", "white aryan history" or "transgendered porcupine history" is being forcefed to our culture. I don't particularly want my kids to be automatically accepting of everything that comes down the pike. Discrimination means choice & I choose not to accept violent drunken assholes or pedophiles anywhere near my children, no matter if Bryn Mawr funds an interdisciplinary study of social acceptance of drunk assholes & pedopphiles or not. NAMBLA? No thanks! Violent toys & games? No Thanks! Shallow existance proccupied with consumption & passive acceptance of government propaganda? No thanks! Aggressive, divisive & mutually opposed private agendas competing for my tax money? No thanks!
Some social phenomena & some folks OUGHT to be discriminated against. Criminals, sociopaths, psychopaths, Evil bastards, rapists - The question is wether we are competent to make the choice ourselves, or do we submit to arbitrary sociotechnology & manipulation serving the ends of elites I neither elect or trust. Why is it that chauvinists are okay if they're not male? why is it that pseudoscience is taught on par with bonafide science? Why is it we insist on diversity as long as it does not include elements that underscore the white hetro male or fundamentalist christian/fundamentalist jewish/fundamentalist muslim point of view? Isn't it a piss poor diversity that ignores such a large, vital & creative group of people? Isn't it perhaps because when you say diversity, you really mean "diversity within the spectrum I find acceptable" ? Aren't you making some arbitrary choices when you do that? where's your diversity now?
There is no "woman's history" - unless you're talking about a particular woman's particular history, there is no such thing. There is just History, of which women are a part. Women's studies? If the differences between women & men are largely physiological, are you studying physiology or are you using physiology as a means to define separate groups of beings, some of which are inherently more worthy of your attention? What amazes me is that the one gripe men most ofen hear from "progressive" or "ideologically engaged" women is that they ( the women ) are treated as sex objects - isn't the very definition of "woman's studies" a sexual differentiation to which they object when it's being excersized by men and which they approve of when it's being done by women?
God only knows, and as some Hierophants of the feminine persuasion assure us, she is a woman.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-31 11:32:57 EST (#)
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Loren, here's the explaination i owe you- i'm pretty good at landing ho's- but as we all know, you can't turn a ho into a housewife. they all have their problems, and are vulnerable to my attacks. it's easy. but as far as a decent, marryin' type lady goes, i'm really struggling there... i can wake up next to a ho, but still feel lonely. i miss some of the really good, loving relationships that i used to have before i turned into an asshole. i wonder if i've gotten to the point where i've forgotten how to land a good one. i sure hope not. did that explain it? i'm not saying i'm a super-stud, Loren, and you know i don't really think that, but i am saying it's real easy to pick up the type of females (and i mean this as a generalization, not ALL of them are the same) that go to dance clubs and bars and such that are lookin' for the same thing i am...
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:59:21 EST (#)
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Hidden, don't be afraid. I'm actually curious to learn the secrets of "how to get women" from a 22 year old who posted just recently how "he couldn't find any decent women" and that "he was lonely" - I'm confused. 'Splain.
xo
Loren
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:53:22 EST (#)
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Jason, i'm not touching this one with a ten-foot pole. i'll be torn apart by the Uberwomen.
(email me. i'll tell you EVERYTHING. haha)
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:44:40 EST (#)
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Actually Hendrix, what disgusts me are the dirty, beer-bellied, crotch-itching, jobless fat slobs (and there are plenty of them) who have the AUDACITY to think they deserve to have a beautiful woman on their arm.
I think men watch too many pornos (hell, even regular TV does the same - mismatching). In reality, men who look like the typical men in pornos, are NOT going to bed down women with looks of those in pornos. (Unless they're millionaires, hahahaha).
Christ, that was a hard sentence to write. I think it made sense. I dunno. Fuck it.
Loren
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:41:37 EST (#)
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Hidden, theMan,
I've tried being more of an asshole. It never got any chicks for me. What's the secret?
Jason
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:34:06 EST (#)
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i have a history degree. They require you to take more than just one women's studies class over and over again. Most good liberal arts schools require that, and for the most part, a women's studies major would be required to take other courses beyond just those classes. I never took a women's studies course, but I did take a lot of discrimination history courses/government courses. They made me think about my views on affirmative action and other issues. They were very relevant to helping me discover a broader worldview.
Colleges have diverse classes because they believe in promoting diversity....most every college mentions the benefits of diversity somewhere in mission statements, etc. Especially the bigger, supposedly better colleges.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:27:53 EST (#)
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I agree with Yid. It's fine for a history major to take a class about the struggles of women in relation to important historical events, but how can you reward a degree to someone who focuses only on the struggles of women? Maybe when these people get out of college they'll end the plight of women by slipping only women a free big mac through the drive through window when the manager's not looking. Screw men and their unrealistic ideals of beauty! What's with that? Why do fat women always complain that men want them to look healthy? "I can't look like a supermodel" That's because you eat like a hog!
Jason
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:22:06 EST (#)
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foiled again by "Angry Woman!" you win this time... but i'll be back!
if we can all agree on BOTH seats down, then i'll be more than happy. it's a good compromise, and i agree with you on the sanitary benefits of it. sorry to bring up the issue, though. wait, actually, TheMan did! not me! he's the one you want!
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:16:54 EST (#)
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Argh. No more toilet seat nonsense. I think Nicole, Sky and I (I'm pretty sure) did the math, and proved it should stay down. Many of the male posters agreed too, even bringing into consideration the sanitary benefits of keeping BOTH lids down. So put a lid on it, Hidden.
Loren
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-31 10:08:15 EST (#)
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yidele- that was great. i agree with every word of what you just said.
"introducing these divisions serves only to narrow the worldview and eventually leads to fragmentation instead of integration"
that's exactly what i was trying to say with my post "that's it, i'm never going to watch tv, read the newspaper, or listen to the radio ever again...", except for in a humorous way. no one was smart enough to catch on. it just turned into a teenage pissing contest. *sigh* no one appreciates my genius...
Loren- WHOA. i guess you didn't like this one, huh? =P but come on, can't you see my point about the toilet seat being a balanced cylce? if i have to put the seat up, then you should have to put it down. it's only fair, right? i was going to say you have a mouth like a sailor, but i'm going to ask Derek if the sailors on his ship actually do cuss alot, first.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-03-31 09:57:35 EST (#)
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Yidele,
Is history worth studying then in your perspective? And if we do study history do we leave out all the stories of the minorities? Just one generalized history class? I think it's ridiculous to say that less diversity is better. I really can't imagine that black history classes or women's studies classes are creating enough dissention to suggest that they should be ignored, or only paid for with women's taxes...! Maybe calculus is the only class you suggest?
I don't think one person is going to base their worldview on "Black Woman's Butch Lesbian lether bondage history" unless they're a complete and total moron.
I think specializations and studying something in depth gives us the ability to step back and study broader perspectives with more insight and creativity. It doesn't mean we take our bondage history class and equate it to world politics. Should everything be relevant to those issues? If so you're suggesting that we axe diverse education and teach everyone World Politics (according to who?) and Calculus. I just don't agree that it creates that much of a societal problem that we should suppress history of minorities....makes us one-sided and narrow-minded.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-31 09:45:19 EST (#)
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I do not agree.
There is no reason why we should divide history by inventing/introducing artificial categories which bring nothing to the study of history itself. We've already had this discussion, or one much like it, about "black history", "white history" & frankly I do not see what positive insight can introducing gender ( or ethnic) bias bring to the table.
Women's history? Black History? Black Women's history? Black Women's Lesbian history? Black Women's Butch Lesbian history? Black Woman's Butch Lesbian lether bondage history? - are you seeing a trend here? because to me introducing these divisions serves only to narrow the worldview and eventually leads to fragmentation instead of integration; It makes it impossible top form some sort of coherent worldview ( which would have to acknowledge that Black Woman's Butch Lesbian lether bondage history is a phenomenon so marginal that its study cannot be considered equivalent to the broader areas of research, certainly to areas that have wide-ranging import), and I think that this is precisely the point.
If we get lost in minutiae of arbitrary & microscopic division, we aren't able to apply our ( now non-existant) coherent worldview to judge issues of import. Should minority bullshit courses be treted on par with important research? Why would anyone except Black Lesbian Butch Dominatrix' and their slaves give a flying fuck about phenomena that have no impact or for the most(or moist) part relation to the world we know? Isn't study of such political pseudo-science as much of a waste of the taxpayers money as is teaching creationism ? The existance, behaviours & mating habits of butch black lesbian S&M fans do not constitute enough of a body of data OR import to society at large to legitimise spending prescious research funds on them. Of course people will do this because they can. Because we've brainwashed ourselves to believe that acceptance of all aberration & valuing that aberration on par with our behaviour ( or at least feeling guilt when we feel revulsion) is a virtue. Tolerance is not a virtue. Tolerance is a compromise between our inclinations and reality.
Women's studies? sure, as long as only women's taxes go to fund them. Black studies? Yeppers, as long as they are funded from private donations alone. Holocaust studies? We (jews) can finance them. It's time to stop being divewrsly divisive at science's & taxpayers expense - certainly no society can long withstand the myriad of private interests, private gripes & private bitches pulling the edifice of society apart.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-03-31 09:10:18 EST (#)
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JeezUS. I've never seen a "bitch-session" aimed at men by women that could hold a CANDLE to this whine-a-thon. STFU!!!! GOD. WTF? You all sound like a bunch of bitter pussy-envying morons. ARGH. Besides, whatever truly valid points you make here - when you take into consideration the kind of women that post on Ubersite, you're preaching to the fucking choir anyway.
Yidele - "they usually pick a guy that is dumber than them" - Are there any other kind? :-)
Loren
Damn, I've got a mouth like a truck driver today.
Submitted by sky (user info) at 2003-03-31 08:52:22 EST (#)
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I think it's funny that this was posted yesterday and already has a TON of responses from MEN! We women were too busy on our soapboxes this weekend.
Besides the point, saying we shouldn't have a 'women's studies class' is like saying we shouldn't have a history class on racial oppression, or actually, have a history class at all...like we should forget everything negative that happened in our past, and just let things continue cause all the male WASPs in the world think everything is dandy. and it is, in their immediate periphery.
I'm not a bra-burning feminist. But I think there's a reason to have a women's studies class. There's a reason to have a holocaust class. There's a reason to have a class on ANYTHING in history.
"it doesnt DO anything aside from cause tension between men and women." hardly. Someone else, Maestermeat or something, said something about intelligent people learning from it and retarded people preaching. That sounds about right, but just cause something causes tension doesn't mean we should leave it alone! Saddam Hussein causes tension. Gangs in inner cities cause tension. yadda yadda yadda. Oh right, leave it alone, it causes tension.
where are my other ladies?
Submitted by poisonyourkids (user info) at 2003-03-31 07:38:01 EST (#)
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Ill call that .72 cents more on average draft compensation.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-31 06:56:16 EST (#)
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I should mark to whom I am replying in which part of my post. As regards the inoriginal & mysogenic (bowel) movement, I was replying to the Boy's
"Hidden,
We are pioneers of a new movement in this society of ours. Albeit a small movement. I don't think it's going to catch on too much, but that just means everyone else is outside the loop..."
What do I think of sociology? does anyone care? I don't think of it much, having taken some sociology electives; All things considered, History of art courses were way more interesting
Submitted by cynicasix (user info) at 2003-03-31 05:44:05 EST (#)
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Jesus Christ, I just picked a quick online dictionary definition to see what you thought.. silly me. Of course, much thanks for the lovely sentiment anyways.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-31 03:41:32 EST (#)
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There is nothing original about that bowel movement you have going. Eat korn nuts & chunky peanut butter for texture. There is nothing original about mysogeny - it is as old as mankind.
Please don't quote from your syllabus as it obviously plagiarises some other, even vaguer source. Sociology should not be qualified as a science, at best it is a poor adjunct to history and at worst an example of how deduced laws & rules of behaviour valid for a single individual do not carry over to a group of said individuals.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-31 03:27:38 EST (#)
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hmmm.... i think i'm realizing the same thing, the more i post here, too. no female is going to be able to meet my standards, which i don't have time to elaborate on. i need to get some sleep. i'm doin' the same thing tomorrow night, TheMan. drinkin' some fine german beer at my favorite drinking establishment and see if i can't round me somethin' up.
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-03-31 02:31:33 EST (#)
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Number one thing I have to have is trust. If I can't trust a woman, it's not going to work. And she has to have her shit together. She has to know where she's been, and where she's going. She needs goals. And she has to be motivated to get there. And she needs to be independant. I'm not going to be somebody's crutch. I'll support you and help you out every way I can babe, but you have to do it on your own for the most part.
The woman for me has to be hot as hell too. Call me superficial-maybe I am. I don't know anyone who wants to date, live with, or marry someone they don't find attractive. The way I see it, if I'm out in public with a girl, and there are NOT guys turning around and staring her down, then she's not the one for me. Really, if she's not good enough for someone else to look twice at, what the hell do I want with her? Only exception would be if she was a gazillionaire, but that is waay too shallow, even for me. Money is nice, but I make my own thank you. Rather date a poor woman of supermodel quality then an ugly rich chick.
And the woman for me has to fit in with my friends. I've dated a few women that just didn't seem to fit in. I'd take them to a party, and they would just sort of sit there. They weren't very sociable, didnt' even try really. I take that as a sign the end is neigh. And all of my friends are super easy to get along with. They welcome damn near anyone, but geezus, show a little personality, would ya?
The more I write here, the more I'm believing I will always be alone. I can deal. Probably better off that way. I'm not Mr. Perfect, as much as I try, but I know what I need in a relationship. I'm gonna go out tomorrow and round me up a piece of strange, just to make me feel better.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-31 02:15:33 EST (#)
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TheMan,
oh my god, i could talk to you about this stuff forever. i'm totally on your wavelength, here.
"I always meet these women who, after one or two dates, they think they have some sort of serious relationship with you and begin calling you their boyfriend. Psycho's. All of them."
that happened to me this week. now i have to find a way to get rid of her. so far i've tried acting like a total asshole, but then i remembered that chicks dig it, and it only made her want me more. anyway, my standards are way higher than they should be, as well. but every once in awhile, you come accross the ALMOST perfect one, and it's always one tiny little detail that keeps her from meeting your stardard that can't be overlooked. like the cat thing with you. me- i wanted to get back with my ex girlfriend really bad, because she's got it all, and i think we're ready to do it right the second time around. well, there's that one little thing... religion. i can't STAND religion! she wants me back so bad, and i want her back, but it's not gonna happen because of that. oh well...
and i hate it when women start talking about where the relationship is going, too. for god's sake, just let things happen!
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-03-31 01:58:54 EST (#)
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Without a doubt, I would love to find the right woman with all of the qualities I'm looking for, with none of the bullshit. Naturally, I realize that the perfect specimen does not exist. My standards are just waaaay too high. I don't ever want to feel like I'm settling, but if and when I find the one close enough to my dream girl, I'm going to have to look at it more as a compromise, rather than a 'settling'.
I always meet these women who, after one or two dates, they think they have some sort of serious relationship with you and begin calling you their boyfriend. Psycho's. All of them. Some women really know how to strain a relationship. I don't need to label a relationship. I like to keep things open and casual. If she's going out with other men, I don't want to know about it. I don't care. If my mind starts to imagine details, it gets ugly. What ever happened to the good old days of casual sex? It's like a lost art nowadays.
I had one girl who stopped returning my calls, and the only reason I can come up with was I turned her down for sex after a night of heavy drinking at a wedding she asked me to go to with her. If anything, I thought she would respect me more for respecting her; I didn't want her to come back and say I took advantage of her, she was drunk, yada, yada, yada. I explained all this to her the next day, and she still kicked me aside. Guess now I know never to do that again.
Yeah, I can be a bit cynical towards women at times. I've got this massive wall built around me. No one gets in. My biggest complaint? Women ask too many fucking questions. They always want to know where the relationship is going, what's in our future. WTF?! I've been taking you out for 2 months! Were you expecting a ring or something? Get off my back already. And then they can't handle the fact I can be sociable and still speak to my ex's and be casual friends with them. Sorry, that's just the way it happens sometimes. I dated this one girl who always got mad that my ex would call me when she was over. Sorry, just bad timing I guess. It's not like I stayed on the phone with her.
Aye aye aye. What a headache. And cats. I'm alergic to cats. A good friend of mine, a woman I used to roommate with, wants to date me now. She has 4 damn cats. She's a good woman and has her shit together, but I can't deal with the cats. I had to deal with it when I lived with her, but I don't know if I could do it again. I don't want to be constantly doped up on Clariton(sp). But the sex is would be worth it; at first anyway. Hell, I don't know anymore.
I'm sticking to my guns for now. Ladies, you can't control me, only contain me.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-31 00:06:13 EST (#)
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i, for the most part, agree, duder. most of what you said is completely true in the environment i am now in. i wonder if i went back to St. Louis, could i find a regular relationship like i used to have with love AND great sex? i mean, is it just the people? are they that different in different parts of the country? or am i just too far gone in my current ways of thinking to be able to have a relationship like that again? i don't know, and maybe this is how it's going to be for the rest of my life. it's depressing, but it's probably my own fault. i wish i could return to innocence.
anyway, i agree with the whole prostitution thing. whether it's up front, or dinner and a movie... i recently experienced a dinner and a movie whore, right after the up front, on the table whore. i must say, the latter is much more pleasant for obvious reasons, and i think i'll give her a call, since she's been emailing me, and i haven't replied yet. man, look at me. i'm venting again. sometimes i'm such a pussy. anyway, i'm wondering if you want a good, stable relationship with some great sex, deep down, or if this is really the way you prefer to live the rest of your life? because even though i'm following TheMan idiology, i still wish i could have some of those old relationships back, where there was lots of love, but the sex was great, too, and there was no bullshit. *shrug*
Submitted by tpx187 (user info) at 2003-03-30 23:32:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-03-30 22:54:17 EST (#)
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Hidden,
We are pioneers of a new movement in this society of ours. Albeit a small movement. I don't think it's going to catch on too much, but that just means everyone else is outside the loop.
I just got tired of the bullshit, so now I'm open and completely honest about all aspects of any potential relationship with a woman. Some can handle, but most can't. Oh well. Not as if I care. I'm too old to waste my time with this bullshit.
Way I see, all women are whores anyway. Whether it's cash up front or dinner and a movie, you're gonna pay for it. It's all prostitution, only one is more socially acceptable. I say both sexes cut through the bullshit and quit trying to outsmart the other and lay the cards on the table.
I want to fuck you and you want to fuck me, so what's the problem, honey? Get off the whole "love" concept for a second, and try to grasp the concept of the meaninful overnight relationship. It will do wonders for your stress levels, and you'll be able to reassure yourself that men find you desireable.
Love without any sex is a waste of time and energy. Sex without love however, well, that is a beautiful thing.
Submitted by cynicasix (user info) at 2003-03-30 22:21:52 EST (#)
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"Colleges ought not to be kennels for the ill bred & ill manered - no matter what you think you saw John Belushi do in Animal House."
Haha, and here I am at Dartmouth, of all places. Although I have to admit I haven't been to Alpha Delt yet.. just thought it was funny that you mentioned that. Of course my first reaction was to flinch and take it as a personal insult -- you don't fuck around with the Animal House legend up here. But unless I've been uber-ing in my sleep and posting my address and biography or something, I guess you couldn't have known that.
Isn't soc more than just "people skills," though? What about sociology as "1. The study of human social behavior, especially the study of the origins, organization, institutions, and development of human society. 2. Analysis of a social institution or societal segment as a self-contained entity or in relation to society as a whole." I've always been under the impression that when applied, it could actually be a useful subject. Too true about athletics lowering standards, though. I was sure that was one thing I'd be able to get away from by moving north.. sure. Just a different set of sports, it's still revolting.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-30 21:47:47 EST (#)
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Colleges ought not to be kennels for the ill bred & ill manered - no matter what you think you saw John Belushi do in Animal House.
Some sort of minimal standard ought to to be required - a standard that is notoriously neglected in many schools where athletics decide about funding. Sociology? Why would anyone deserve credit for having the basic social skills needed to function in society? Why not just give out college credit for breathing? What about a degree program for developmentally challenged individuals? The retarded are people too, they deserve an opportunity for self affirmation & personal advancement within the public education system... Developmentaly challenged studies ( Retard Ed.) - they'd have special automated elevators built with just one big button, pictogram textbooks, special short campus busses & eventually their own fraternity - MΩΩ
Submitted by IntheBoonies (user info) at 2003-03-30 21:37:48 EST (#)
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Ok, yidele, I see your point...
But I didn't mean to imply that people should go to college simply for the sake of getting a piece of paper with their name on it that says they have a degree. I see lots of people who have a bullshit degree that work in the fast food for that reason. They're still dumbasses, albeit BA-calibre dumbasses. If dumbasses go on to get their Masters and PhD in something useless, its a given that they'll be teaching those same dumbass courses. (I actually had a professor who had his Ph.D in Folklore -seriously. He taught Humanities).
What I wanted to get at was that in order to get any decent job (the government, for instance), you need a degree. No specific degree, but just any degree - pretty much to show you can read and write, I'm sure. Of course, it helps if you have courses that required more work than basket-weaving, but science isn't necessary alot of the time.
By "people skills" all I meant was jobs where you're out interacting all day long with humans, like social work - where, to get a decent job anywhere, you need the degree. If I could get a decent job by taking a one year certificate program, that would be great. Even with only a Bachelor's I'll be limited because many positions require a Masters, but there I go rambling again.
I'll let the boys talk about their right to leave toilet seats up now.
~M
Submitted by cynicasix (user info) at 2003-03-30 21:26:15 EST (#)
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Ah, sorry Yidele, didn't read your "people skills" bit before I finally posted that
Submitted by cynicasix (user info) at 2003-03-30 21:22:15 EST (#)
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I'd have to agree with Yidele.. "bullshit courses" are pretty much the first two words that come to my mind when someone brings up women's studies (or *ahem* Women's and Gender Studies, as we up here in the ivory tower prefer to call them). I'm sure some of the classes can really teach you useful things, but it's absolutely ludicrous to be dedicating profs, programs, and entire majors to this kind of ridiculous feminist rhetoric. Of course Razor's right, and there's obviously still some significant amount of bias and inequality out there that needs to be taken care of, but to use the excuse that they're on some great crucial mission to educate people so things don't get worse? Right. It seems to me most of us can do a pretty decent job learning about whatever current or historical issues affect or interest us, and don't need to be told that we either have worship this enlightened doctrine of women's studies or accept the fact that we're horrible sexist pigs. The last time I checked, I wasn't exactly in danger of having my suffrage revoked or being chained to a stove.. hell, I even have all these sexual harrassment laws working for me! And if that fails, there's always Yid's so aptly named "snatch-and-bitch whip," heh.
I don't object so much to the courses themselves, though, as to the attitude that seems to accompany all this.. like Hidden said, it tends to strike me as being kind of counter-productive. If you insist on acting like a helpless, self-righteous little minority still bitching and fighting for freedom, then damn, what do you expect? There are movements out there like individualist (or libertarian) feminism that stress the personal rights and equal treatment while opposing things like affirmative action, but these kinds of groups are overshadowed or given a bad name by the "feminazi" stereotype that others have helped to develop. If women's studies are so important, maybe a couple women ought to be fighting a little harder to get the most important people/events/aspects incorporated into textbooks and mainstream curriculum and the like, instead of further isolating themselves. I mean, I'm sure it would be an incredibly difficult thing to ever achieve, but maybe we could take a little time off from protesting bullshit like golf courses and Title IX and try something worthwhile.
This thread made me think of a couple other questions that I'm not sure merit their own posts, but I'd be interested to hear what anyone thinks -- (as if we haven't beaten the homosexuality horse to death yet) What about gay/lesbian/whatnot studies? Also, with the war going on and all, what of women taking part in dangerous combat? And are the two sexes ultimately equal / *could* they ever achieve equal status / do you think they will? (Oh yeah, and Yidele - you don't think soc should be worth any credit? Just curious why, and what about the other social sciences?)
[ Imagining a disclaimer might be in order, meh.. naturally I'm writing this from the very prejudiced, resentful, intolerant viewpoint of moderate conservative from down South who thinks that burning in hell's got nothing on suffering through years of going to school with the insane hordes of radically leftist neo-hippie rich stupid ivy kids (AND faculty) to be found all up in this here little college town. Paying 36 grand a year to do so, no less, and the weather blows. Anyhow, respond accordingly. ]
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-30 21:19:30 EST (#)
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Quote of the day-
"Keep it up woman, you can be replaced. I can come back in an hour with another broad dying to move in here with me. You better get your shit together."
-TheMan
holy shit, you got me rollin', man. and remember when i said we were alot alike? this just proves it even more. more often than not, i do the same thing to chicks, and it works. and until i can find a worthy one, i'll keep doing it to the stupid ones. i used to be one of those "why do nice guys like me finish last?" kinda guys. then i realized, chicks don't want a nice guy, they want to be treated like shit. they love it and they can't get enough of it. so, i changed my whole method around. i started being the biggest asshole with lines just like the above quote. all of a sudden, i had to beat them off with a stick, and i'm not even a superstud. i'd say i'm mildly attractive, at best. it was no longer about being happy with actually scoring for once; it was now about having a choice of which one was going to go to bed with me that night. lately, i've decided to slow down alot, though. anyway, i like the readheads, TheMan. especially when the carpets match the curtains. and i know how that shit goes. you tell the friend (or sister, in this case) that if they don't want to do the nasty, then don't bother wasting any of my time. and then when they give in, you gotta play the games with them. so, yid, you're not completely right here. you just gotta know how to play the game, and be better at it than them. if you play on their insecurities just right, you got 'em. (hidden101's getting laid 101.)
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-30 20:59:36 EST (#)
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A college degree in people skills is bullshit. I am not saying that People skills are bullshit ( though I might, depending on definition of people skills), merely that the fact of posessing minimal social skills should not be the basis for a diploma. Schools ought to teach a science based curriculum & colleges ought to base their curricula on real, verifiable criteria & not pseudo-scientific bullshit. Womens studies? Applied victimology? sociology? Psychology? Basket weaving? Business <anything>? They are all copouts diluting curricula with useless filler purposely meant to give morons a chance to call themselves BS, BA, MS or MA - hell, some even call themselves PHD... I propose a new degree program for majors of all of those subjects which do not contain enough real science (mathematics) - the BBSC MBSC & DTSC ( Bachelor of Bullshit Coursework, Masters of Bullshit Coursework and Doctorate of Total Shit Coursework respectively).
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-03-30 20:45:40 EST (#)
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Case in point:
My cell phone goes off just now and it's my sister. She's at work, and she works with this hot redheaded chick named Bethany. I've never had firebush before, nor a chick named Bethany, so I find the prospect intriquing. The conversation goes like this-
me: Hello?
Her: What are you doing?
me: Fucking off on the computer why?
Her: I'm at work, and Bethany is here.
me: So?
Her: She wanted to know where my 'fine ass brother' was.
me: Yeah? Does she want to get laid?
Her: I don't know.
me: Well, ask her.
Her: Your kidding, right?
me: Do I ever kid about this shit?
Her: I can't ask her that.
me: Why not?
Her: Because....I just can't.
me: Well, I live way the fuck up north here. I'm not driving 65 miles to go down there just because she was wondering where I'm at. If she wants to hook up and do the deed, I'll come down there, otherwise it's not worth the drive.
Her: If I told her you said that, she wouldn't talk to you again.
me: You wanna wager on that?
Her: .........
me: Hello? Do you?
Her: Ok, I know she'll still talk to you.
me: So ask her.
Her: No.
me: I ain't got time for this shit. If she wants to fuck, call me. Later.
Her: Alright, bye.
So I'm in the middle of writing this post, and what happens? My phone rings again, only it's Bethany this time. Holy fuck. Never has a woman had balls to call me like this under these circumstances. She said my sister told her how the conversation went after I got off the phone with her. She wants to do me. Now, she says. Or rather, when she gets off of work at 9 pm.
So just to fuck with her, because I can (only fair, women do it to us all the time), I told her I really couldn't come down there, yada, yada, yada, it's an hour and 15 minute drive, gotta get up early for work tomorrow, the whole bit. Man, was she not too happy. Oh well. I've been there many a times, about time someone put women there too. I told her she could call me and we could hang out this weekend or something. She said she would. We'll see.
The best part? I don't have her number. If she doesn't call, I have plausable deniability. I can throw everything off on her. I'll see her at the bar one night soon when I'm hanging out with my sister, and she'll give me shit. I'll just say, "I thought we were going to hang out that weekend, but you never called me back." She's a really hot looking chick, and I would throw it to her withoug hesitation. I'm just not disrupting my routine for a piece of ass at the moment. I did that when I was 16 and looked like a fool for it. Later for that nonsense. They can all wait.
You gotta flip the script, and whoop that pussy. I bet this just makes that horny redhead want me even more. Gee, life is good.
Submitted by IntheBoonies (user info) at 2003-03-30 20:22:19 EST (#)
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"In a real education system, anyone not able to do simple calculus shouldn't be allowed to get a fucking high school diploma. If they're that stupid they shouldn't go to college." says yidele.
Why not?
First of all, I think that 75% of computer science/math graduates have 8th grade english, at best. By your comment, you obviously took calculus, *and* you use those ten-dollar-words. Good for you. Yet because some people can do equasions that bore the fuck out of most other people, they are much farther up the ladder than people who take sociology or other courses that require at least minimal critical thinking or literacy skills? I agree alot of the theory stuff is useless in the real world, but come on, there are professions that actually require people skills, *and* a college degree.
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-03-30 20:12:59 EST (#)
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I've faked whole relationships with women, letting them believe I was as dumb as they would have liked. Maybe I was dumb, but I'll say one thing- they thought they owned me and nothing could be further from the truth. I played my part, all the while nailing untold amounts of strange box on the side, and none were the wiser.
Yidele says there is no alternative other than submission to the mother clam. I say you have to turn things around, not be whooped by the pussy, but whoop that pussy. Women want to play games, so be it, but god dammit, I'm playing their game by my rules. The best part is they don't even know it.
Am I a liar, a cheater, and a man who knows what he wants? Yes, yes, and yes. I've recently learned on my own that women would actually prefer to be lied to. I tell women up front, I don't want a relationship with you, if we sleep together, that's all it's going to be, just sex. And then they get all upset. What the fuck? Would you rather I lie to you and lead you to believe I actually care for you and want to be your boyfriend? I asked one girl this and she said yes. Men cannot win. When you try to play by the rules, the rules change. That's why I always play by my rules. If they don't come off with the clam, then it's a clam not worth having in my book.
And that brings up another question. Any of you guys out there chase after what you thought was a fine piece of ass, only to finally get it and be totally unsatisfied? Sucks don't it? I'm like "What the fuck was that? You made me wait and cow tow to you for this lame ass fuck fest? I'd rather beat off with sandpaper. That just pisses me off. They hold out on you like their pussy is pure fucking sunshine, but it's not. I did this one chick and she was so damn stiff, like doing a cardboard stand up. I kept telling her to relax, and she would just lay there, stiff as a fucking board with this blank ass expression on her face. "Hello- earth to catatonic bitch!"
Fuck it, fuck it all. I've got more lines than the urinals at the Superbowl. It's so easy to pick up a woman, there's no need to put up with bullshit from any of them. I used to tell my ex when she would bitch at me "Keep it up woman, you can be replaced. I can come back in an hour with another broad dying to move in here with me. You better get your shit together."
Surprisingly, I thought it would lead to another arguement, but she shut her cock holster. (read that on here today, hilarious.)
I know I went off on a tangent here but I coulnd't help it.
Submitted by MaesterMeat (user info) at 2003-03-30 19:46:51 EST (#)
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The women will complain, the men will say it's bullshit. The men will complain and the women will say that it's bullshit. Since the big guy (or whoever) only made two genders of primates, male and female, male and female together would make up 100% of human existance.
Therefore:
When woman say "men have oppressed us for years!!" and man say "Bullshit!"
and when
Man say "woman cook dinner for man!" and woman say "bullshit!"
All that = 100% bullshit
- Don't believe me? Ask any woman if they've ever paid for sex, then ask a man the same question. Ask a woman if a man opens doors for them and then ask man if he gets the same treatment from women.
Ask a man what he'd do if he got raped by a woman and ask a woman what she'd do if raped by a man.
Going to such a class will educate the intelligent people and further drone the stupid people.
Example:
Smart person : "Wow, this is good information. Teaches me alot about how things are and used to be but I won't let it influence my daily routine. I'll just take it as one thing - information."
Stupid person: "Wow, this is good information. Now I'll go out and preach to people about how fucked up they are and have been and how things are just not right. Now that I know this I will block all information about this subject from here on out and I will run my mind in single-duplex mode. Sometimes I will go into half-duplex but I will only accept and think on ideals favoring my own. No need for anymore thinking because I know that I am without a doubt right and by bitching over this subject over and over again I will most definitely contribute to something."
That's what I think anyway.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-30 19:39:19 EST (#)
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hmmm... yidele DOES have a point... i know what you mean, though. we can't live without that pussy. what i've been doing for the past couple years, since i've been out of any real relationships with women, is pretending to put up with the crap for a couple days, get the pussy, and run. then i move onto the next one. it's been holding me over for awhile, but i don't know how much longer it can last. if i don't find a normal woman with which i can have a normal relationship soon, i'm gonna snap, because i'm starting to get pretty lonely, here. *tear* *sniff*
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-30 19:23:40 EST (#)
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Dude, you ARE wrong. The toilet seat debacle is just another weapon of mass distraction successfully used by women to lull us into a false sense of complacency. They rule us with the snatch-and-bitch whip that's so subtle that we for the most part realize it. You think You Da man? Try living without pussy for a while. Unless you're a virgin or gay, there is no alternative but submission to the motherclam. Women pick their mates, and they usually pick a guy that is dumber than them in order to manipulate them more easily. Passive agressive homebodies have managed to ground many a fledgeling cocksman - for an indept study of passive agressive anipulation by women in relationships I suggest Annie Hall or Husbands & wives by woody allen.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-30 19:14:00 EST (#)
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TheMan- the toilet seat comment- sheer brilliance. i agree 100%. interestingly enough, it just sparked a thought in my head. how can women expect to be our equals when something as trivial as a toilet seat being up is so adamantly argued by them without any compromise, whatsoever? and yes, i actually do know more than one who tells me to put the fucking seat down, still. if i walk into a bathroom and the seat is down, i put it up. when a woman walks in after that, she puts it down. it's a balanced cycle. the way it should be. the screwed up thing is, they get so livid over it, like it's some grand sweeping problem that needs to be corrected for the relationship to function. bullshit...
AM I WRONG???
these women's studies classes are counter-productive. the more they are bent on world domination, the more they are going to regress, as i will treat them worse and worse for being so stupid. if a woman tells me to put the seat down one more time, i'll be all like "AY! WHY DON'T YOU STOP DRESSIN' ME UP LIKE A MAILMAN, AND... AND MAKIN' ME DANCE FOR YOU, WHILE YOU GO AND SMOKE CRACK IN YOUR BEDROOM, AND HAVE SEX WITH SOME GUY I... I DON'T EVEN KNOW, ON MY DAD'S BED!!! WHY DON'T YOU GO KNIT ME A SWEATER, MISSY! AND THEN GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN, AND BAKE ME A PIE!"
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-30 19:11:38 EST (#)
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Considering the current notion that "empowerment"( whatever that much abused neologism really means) is primarily about changing self perception, It is indeed women who should attend women's studies. Does that pseudo psychological mambo-jumbo actually teach us anything? Does anyone care? For women it is a means of asserting their importance just as sensitivity training for policemen is a means of asserting rights by forcing cops to undergo token & superficial role play. Do they learn anything? No, not really, but the <whatever> community managed to force them to recognize its existance .... power play, head games, bullshit all around. No way should anything like that, or sociology be a college credit course. In a real education system, anyone not able to do simple calculus shouldn't be allowed to get a fucking high school diploma. If they're that stupid they shouldn't go to college.
Submitted by SantonioSpur (user info) at 2003-03-30 19:09:18 EST (#)
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Wheres my Mens Studies then? Or to go even more minoritized, how bout my WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant for the ignorant) studies? Exactly. Minorites these days aren't minorities anymore, they're becoming majorities through the media and government aid. All of a sudden us male WASP's are a minority. Rebel! Triple bonus points for all the white guys! Gain 4,000,000 experience points for all D&D WASP's!
In case you think otherwise, I'm kidding. I'm no racist, or KKK member. I wonder how many responses this would've triggered had I not added these last few sentences...
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-03-30 18:47:18 EST (#)
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What Razor states may be a fact, but I don't think a bunch of women sitting in some college class is going to change the fact that they make less than a man does for the same job.
The class may educate the people taking it, but who exactly is taking it? Women. I don't know too many men who have taken such a class. Therfore, I stand by my statement that all it does is to serve as another soapbox for which them to bitch upon.
Now, if women would learn to put the seat back up when they are done....
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2003-03-30 18:40:45 EST (#)
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-03-30 18:14:21 EST (#)
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I agree, Womens studies are as much of a bullshit courses as any other vaguely defined social group or minority studies with the possible exception that Women are actually in the majority. My attitude towards Womens studies can be best exemplified by this exchange from the woody allen movie "bananas":
Woody: "Why did I quit college? I could have been something today"
Co-worker: "What would you have been if you'd have finished school?"
Woody: "I was in the black studies program - by now I could have been black"
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2003-03-30 17:50:47 EST (#)
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The concept behind such courses is that if we aren't educated about a social issue, it either goes ignored or gets perpetuated.
By learning about something like the oppression of women, people become conscious of it, try not to do it, or actively work against it.
And don't say women aren't oppressed today. On average, for the same work, women earn 72 cents on the dollar that men earn.
Submitted by MaesterMeat (user info) at 2003-03-30 17:49:34 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/message_get.cgi?message=1038420619496523406
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-03-30 17:38:40 EST (#)
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Yeah, the class is bullshit. All it does is feed into their desire to whine about something.
See my post here to learn more.
http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/message_get.cgi?message=104579855093151617
Submitted by IntheBoonies (user info) at 2003-03-30 17:01:43 EST (#)
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I think that women's studies classes are offered not only to bitch and moan about being oppressed by males over the centuries, but maybe by understanding how women were oppressed (you can't deny they were, think of having to be "allowed" to work or vote), we can learn from that and continue to challenge the systems that perpetuate inequality. It's all about empowerment. Like most university courses, they make you study the theory before the practical stuff. I never took women's studies, but my program (social work)has a very "structural" approach, so there's alot of feminist theory.
By the way, being a "feminist" doesn't mean you're a bra-burning, man-hating lesbian - like any social movements, there's radicals who do that, but generally, its all about equality and rights.
Hope I helped,
~M
PS: I find it very irritating that people are using "wymyn" instead of "women" now - its nearly as annoying as "grrrls". Blah.