Fuckin' "BLUE" States... (1079 hits)
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Submitted by Stabkill (View user info) at 2005-02-16 02:43:50 EST
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/eveningnews/main674120.shtml
States Mull Taxing Drivers By Mile
CORVALLIS, Ore., Feb. 14, 2005
Taxing By The Mile
(CBS) College student Jayson Just commutes an odometer-spinning 2,000 miles a month. As CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes reports, his monthly gas bill once topped his car payment.
"I was paying about $500 a month," says Just.
So Just bought a fuel efficient hybrid and said goodbye to his gas-guzzling BMW.
And what kind of mileage does he get?
"The EPA estimate is 60 in the city, 51 on the highway," says Just.
And that saves him almost $300 a month in gas. It's great for Just but bad for the roads he's driving on, because he also pays a lot less in gasoline taxes which fund highway projects and road repairs. As more and more hybrids hit the road, cash-strapped states are warning of rough roads ahead.
Officials in car-clogged California are so worried they may be considering a replacement for the gas tax altogether, replacing it with something called "tax by the mile."
Seeing tax dollars dwindling, neighboring Oregon has already started road testing the idea.
"Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that," says engineer David Kim.
Kim and his team at Oregon State University equipped a test car with a global positioning device to keep track of its mileage. Eventually, every car would need one.
"So, if you drive 10 miles you will pay a certain fee which will be, let's say, one tenth of what someone pays if they drive 100 miles," says Kim.
The new tax would be charged each time you fill up. A computer inside the gas pump would communicate with your car's odometer to calculate how much you owe.
The system could also track how often you drive during rush hour and charge higher fees to discourage peak use. That's an idea that could break the bottleneck on California's freeways.
"We're getting a lot of interest from other states," says Jim Whitty of the Oregon Department of Transportation. "They're watching what we're doing.
"Transportation officials across the country are concerned about what's going to happen with the gas tax revenues."
Privacy advocates say it's more like big brother riding on your bumper, not to mention a disincentive to buy fuel-efficient cars.
"It's not fair for people like me who have to commute, and we don't have any choice but take the freeways," says Just. "We shouldn't have to be taxed."
But tax-by-mile advocates say it may be the only way to ensure that fuel efficiency doesn't prevent smooth sailing down the road.
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California is a solid "Blue" state. Oregon is also a "blue" state.
So why do these "liberal" states come up with the most horrible ideas? Coming up with ideas is great, guys... But please come up with ones that WORK.
The article above talks about how the wonderful state of California is considering charging drivers PER MILE a tax... Isn't that what GASOLINE TAX IS? I guess some people who were responsible are now using fuel efficient cars and that won't help put money into wasteful government programs. So states like California & Oregon seem to be getting ahead of the game and figuring out how to fuck future tax-payers in the ass before they have a chance to complain about it.
Well, there is one problem with this program. They use a GPS to monitor vehicles. Does anyone see a problem with this? I thought liberals were all about defending our right to privacy! Would it be illegal for you to drive an older car without on of these devices? What if you are not from California and come into the state? Will you be subjected to their bullshit?
Let's face it, the people of California and Oregon are insane for letting people even CONSIDER this option. The fact they are testing it out should let you know something about how a "liberal" state runs things.
I've been saying this stuff for awhile, it falls on deaf ears and ignorant liberal democrats who somehow see their party is doing great things or headed in a good direction.
Republicans? They don't care either. Hell, someone is going to earn a few bucks for putting GPS systems on everyone's car and then they can monitor the hell out of you. (Hey, why weren't you in church this last sunday?)
Our political system is in the shitter with these two groups.
If I was in Oregon, I'd find this Engineer Kim and beat the shit out of the fucking prick. People who encourage this behavior by working jobs that support this kind of bullshit are just as guilty as the government who makes it legal and the people who are too stupid for not doing anything to stop it. Jim Whitty of the Oregon Department of Transportation would also receive a serious ass-beating on the front of his yard in front of any loved ones watching with tears from inside their home desparately waiting for the police to show up and stop the brutal scene.
Fucking jackasses figuring out how to tax people more to support their own tax-funded (and overpaid jobs) seems to be some kind of conflict of interest in my book, but this shit goes on everyday across America. From lawyers to police, elected officials on to college "research labs"...
If someone wants to storm the place and open fire with an Uzi, shoot me an email so I can post the gory details and ship it to anyone else considering such a fucking asinine move to line their own pockets.
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 13:01:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:24:25 (#)
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If you aren't happy about this disincentive to buy fuel efficient cars, maybe you should advocate higher fuel efficiency directly.
But wait...which sitting Republican President relaxed all mpg requirements when he took office? George W Bush, that's who. Fuckin' "RED" Presidents.
Stop being so partisan, dickhead. You had he a good point here, but you had to ruin it with your blinkered hatred.
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What exactly do you mean about high MPG cars? The article is aimed at nailing these people because they don't pay as much gas tax so the state gets their money to blow on shit.
So the "responsible" people are bent over and fucked in the ass by the state government because they will pay more tax as well. And then the government nails you twice, because they sure as shit aren't going to end gasoline tax. Fuck California. No wonder everyone is leaving...it isn't the earthquakes scaring people away.
Submitted by lush (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:53:23 EST (#)
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I think red states come up with much worse ideas. (ie Bush)
Submitted by Schwarzes_Glas (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:51:50 EST (#)
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- argument.
Submitted by Schwarzes_Glas (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:50:22 EST (#)
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Amsterdam is a shithole due to the laws in place over things like drugs and other 'enjoyable' activities.
Joe Blow doesn't get 10 years for growing a few plants. Come on.
And this "Alcohol is worse" arguement is as old as the hills. Pot is a lazy drug. Let's face it - it's just a scum shit drug. It saps motivation, ruins your memory, and isn't always a "pacifist" drug - that's flat out not true. Why? Because it doesn't work that way with me. It amplifies my anger just as alcohol does (and I DO smoke good shit). I'll never agree with both being legal - and I don't think I'll see the day that it happens.
Oh, and it also does severe damage to your lungs.
Legalize pot, and you'll have 4 times the amount of drug-related accidents. Picture 15000 teenagers crashing their cars into poles/other cars the very day of legalization. Yeah yeah, you drive fine when you're high. Others say the same thing about alcohol.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:25:47 EST (#)
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Stab, San Francisco's Board of Supervisors, perhaps the most obnoxious collection of cunts in this arm of the galaxy, are thinking of charging a fee just to enter the city. Not a new bridge toll, a city-entrance fee. What is the city's #1 source of income? Tourist dollars. Combine this news with the fact that evetyone knows SF is a bum's paradise (no homo puns intended) and that the city refuses to get tough with the 'homeless,' and you have a left-wing liberal bleeding-heart enclave spinning out of control and down the toilet.
Submitted by polymorph505 (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:24:28 EST (#)
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you're right, its those dirty liberal kooks! they're the problem!
what about the niggers? I'm sure you can bash them too
and spics
lets not forget dago-wops, and zipperheads!
....dumbass
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:24:25 EST (#)
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If you aren't happy about this disincentive to buy fuel efficient cars, maybe you should advocate higher fuel efficiency directly.
But wait...which sitting Republican President relaxed all mpg requirements when he took office? George W Bush, that's who. Fuckin' "RED" Presidents.
Stop being so partisan, dickhead. You had he a good point here, but you had to ruin it with your blinkered hatred.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:19:55 EST (#)
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Reasons for +2 and reasons for -2.
+2 reasons
-It is a bad idea.
-Implementation would cost more than it should, causing cash problems, anyway. You wanna equip every pump with that computer? It'd take like 10 years, and in that time, you could just go to an old station without it. Shit, I know a station in DOWNTOWN DENVER that still uses old roll-dial pumps.
-Your side of the argument is well stated.
-2 reasons
-Liberals want to slow production of hybrid cars that are better for the environment by taxing gasoline usage a different way? Um, OK.
-Lumping "liberals" in a group, no matter what. I am a Democrat. But I don't think it's a good overall idea. It may be a start down the road, but who knows?
Here's an idea. New vehicles would have a secondary odometer in their computer core. Every time you are up for license plate renewal, you have to get a new emission test, right? So, when you go to emission testing, they plug into your computer, and download that odometer reading. Then, on your pass/fail paperwork, they have a coded section that tells the people at DMV what you are to be charged. Now, you don't have to pay it all at once if you don't or can't. You could have all or part of it taken from your tax returns. Or you could pay it monthly. BUT, if it's not paid in full within 1 year of the reading, you are charged interest, and can not renew your plates until the previous years tax is paid in full.
So, we knock off the STATE gas tax (not federal) and institute the milage tax THAT way.
Now, how do you CALCULATE the tax? base it on the car model's esitmated MPG highway.
Cars with a better MPG pay a midrange tax. A little higher than regular cars, but not much.
SUV's and gas guzzlers pay the HIGHEST tax. This will help to curb the trend of people buying an H2 to impress the other families on the block.
Point of this?
Not all current bad ideas STAY bad ideas...
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-02-16 11:49:25 EST (#)
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Oh and one other thing - I have a switch that kills my odometer in my car (don't tell anyone) and it's real easy to install if you know an electrical engineer. The tax would never work.
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-02-16 11:39:25 EST (#)
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I really wanted to stop reading the article after "gas-guzzling BMW" because, I'm sorry, but BMW's are the last car on my list of Gas-Guzzlers. But I read on anyway.
Really, this whole thing has nothing to do with red-states or blue-states. In fact, one could argue that the entire reason we have problems with gas prices is because of our foreign policy, and we know who is responsible for that (and don't go telling me that if we had had Gore in office, Gas would be so much more expensive - that's total bullshit - Bush is the one making big cash with his corporate blow jobs).
I seriously don't see how this is a liberal vs conservative issue.
Why do people want to live in a conservative world? I don't get it! Imagine your life in a utopian conservative world. Do you think you'd get to have a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender on your wall? No. Do you think you'd get to hear your favorite music, cursing and all? Do you think you could get Alzhiemers or Cancer cured when you get old? No, not without extensive stem cell research. What if your 15 year old daughter gets drunk and has sex with a dirty black man (I say black because republicans are generally racist, including Condoleeza Rice) and you want her to get an abortion. Is that going to happen? No.
Face it, a utopian conservative society is worse than socialism. Yet that's funny, that's how conservative people view liberals. Interesting.
I think I'll keep my internet porn, Jay-Z lyrics, right to get a kid aborted, and the fact that I'm not drafted yet for a silly war.
What was this about again, a gas tax?
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-02-16 10:40:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 10:16:36 EST (#)
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i love how bart completely blows anything stabkill has to say out of the water and he can't even reply to it. instead, he flings some more insults towards me when i'm not even replying, usually something about me drinking whiskey, and i can't even stand the stuff.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2005-02-16 10:02:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by BoredMarc (user info) at 2005-02-16 09:48:05 EST (#)
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+2 for the picture and to offset all the idiots that agre with you.
Submitted by runninginplace (user info) at 2005-02-16 09:37:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by thaumaturge (user info) at 2005-02-16 09:28:15 EST (#)
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You are right. That would never be ratified. The idea is really not a good one. How long before people begin to fuck with those GPS moniters and get out of paying that road tax at all...
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-02-16 09:16:16 EST (#)
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Do you masturbate to Ann Coulter columns?
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-02-16 09:15:56 EST (#)
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I just mashed my head against the keyboard repeatedly, and that's what came out. Sadly, it makes more sense than any "logic" you displayed in this post or the reviews. But then, who needs logic when you can just run around blaming liberals for everything that ever goes wrong? Stub your toe? I'm sure the liberal's caused it! Jesus Christ, get over yourself.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2005-02-16 09:13:06 EST (#)
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Good post
Funny pissing contest below
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-02-16 08:53:37 EST (#)
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Being somewhat left-leaning myself, I was ready to be pissed when I read this, but you make a good point. I think youre right about this being a bad idea as a whole, but elements of it make sense.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2005-02-16 08:28:53 EST (#)
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Bad idea, from so many angles.
...and...
I'm not getting involved in the pissing contest below.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-02-16 07:26:32 EST (#)
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So, if you drive 10 miles you will pay a certain fee which will be, let's say, one tenth of what someone pays if they drive 100 miles," says Kim.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:44:27 EST (#)
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"There are some libertarians who take that extreme point of view, I'd guess. (Much like Pat Roberts is the right-wing conservative of the republicans or the Ted Kennedy left-wing liberal of the democrats.)"
fair enough.
i agree with you when it came to Waco.
check this out...
http://imdb.com/title/tt0120472/
after seeing that, i was the closest to wanting to jump ship, as i have ever been.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:43:45 EST (#)
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And goodnight. I'm outta here for real this time.
I am starting to see why the liberal crew are disliking my posts.... I'm always going after them, but acknowledge I do not like republicans all that much either and yet I do not say much about them.
I'll have to remedy that later. I did a couple posts bashing religion (Christianity) a bit. They didn't go over too well either, I may add.
Goodnight or goodmorning, for wherever you are at.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:40:59 EST (#)
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Oh yeah, alcohol is much worse than pot as well.
Alcohol will kill you if you consume too much. Marijuana will not.
Alcohol produces depression and can induce fights and rage. Marijuana leads to pacifism. (true)
Teens should NOT do pot as it destroys long-term memory storage making learning difficult or impossible. Not exactly something you want when you NEED to be learning things.
If anyone is out there and is a teen and they smoke pot while going to school (alot), people can legitimately call you stupid. hahaha...
After you're out of school, smoke 4 times as much to make up for the years you missed.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:34:45 EST (#)
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Schwarzes_Glas, in all fairness to Amsterdam. Their problems is NOT with drugs as they have less drug use in teens than we do in America.
Ask yourself...do you want to put Joe Blow in jail for 10 years because he smoked pot and had a few plants in his house? He, instead of being a tax payer and income earner, becomes a burden of the state at the tune of 40,000+ per year to incarcerate and much more than that to try and convict.
Thousands of tax dollars going to appointed attorneys because Joe Blow can't afford one.
I say, FUCK THAT SHIT.
Make Joe Blow pay a $200 fine. That $200 goes into state coffers and now instead of being in the hole 40K, you're up $200! Saving money without having extra people in court to try cases will boost that up several hundred thousand in salaries that do not need to be paid anymore.
That's my view. Don't make it completely illegal, but do not punish with jail. Jail accomplishes little... hell, take the $200 fine and put him in rehab for all I care. That's cheaper than jail too.
http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/176/eurostudy.shtml
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:26:29 EST (#)
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Pen_Name... "stealing babies" might be the Janet Reno type stuff of the 90's. Or killing kids, maybe... That's true. And the David Koresh thing was a mess. It was a "show of power" that backfired and made the government look like idiots. (They could have arrested David going into town without incident as he made routine trips that were well documented.... As in, every X day he ate at burger king.) Fucking government...
And the IRS does some crazy stuff. They've confiscated farms and let the animals die that were on the land. The IRS is some crazy stuff, and I don't know if it can be 100% abolished but it sure can be made simple. All these "write offs" are junk. The rich get over, the poor don't pay taxes anyay, and the middle class gets the shaft.
There are some libertarians who take that extreme point of view, I'd guess. (Much like Pat Roberts is the right-wing conservative of the republicans or the Ted Kennedy left-wing liberal of the democrats.)
Have you ever read material by the NRA? That is some crazy ass shit. They are into sensationalism more than anyone I know. Reading their material makes me think : People like THIS actually OWN GUNS?!??! THAT is what scares me.)
I am not anti-gun though...but enough NRA shit will put me there.
Facts are facts...handguns kill people. Laws to prosecute these clowns are not harsh enough. Something needs to change...it is like that.
Oh well, I'm going to go to sleep and get at least a few hours of rest.
DMD, good luck. I wouldn't want to live in California for anything. If I did, I'd have a solar home outside of the city with my vehicle nicely registered out of Washington State with a Washington Driver's licence.
It is amazing that California was the place to be in the 80's. How things have changed...
Submitted by Schwarzes_Glas (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:19:10 EST (#)
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and +2 for using Sega as your base for the pic.
Submitted by Schwarzes_Glas (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:18:01 EST (#)
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+2 for the post, and for your defense of the red states, which have all been ridiculed with statements of fanaticism and stupidity the last few months. For that and the proper heat, bravo for your topics.
But a libertarian view calls for an assumptive end to the federal income tax within 12 years and a decriminalization of drugs. This is a combination of dreaming, and a desire for slipping into the same shithole state Amsterdam is in.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:17:23 EST (#)
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Move to Nevada, Idaho, Washington, New Mexico, Montana, Wyoming, or Arizona like the rest of the Californians.
Or, you could move your home address to a place in another state...get a license, register your car, etc. in that state and avoid California's BS.
This could apply everywhere, though... It is sad that when you do the "right" thing you are punished for it.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:10:05 EST (#)
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i think i actually wrote that they were "broad, over generalized statements" but i have to clue you in to a lib pamphlet i read in college.
It detailed the atrocities of the government, describing the police as a veiled form of "s.s." and proving it with stories about how those law enforcement officers break into peoples homes, take all their money...and their babies, screw them over in court, admit to being wrong, and still keep the money and the babies.
it was the craziest, most paranoid thing i have ever read. it called for getting rid of law enforcement, and letting the people care for themselves.
I guess this is the freedom of which you speak, but to be honest, i don't want to carry a gun and protect my house with a samurai sword and 3 foot moat.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:09:38 EST (#)
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It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with a shitty economic situation and a douchebag governor.
I live in California. What am I going to do about this? What do you suggest I do that would make me not 'weak'?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:02:27 EST (#)
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Well, then, I'm sad to see the people of California are that weak.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 05:00:27 EST (#)
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People who say "libertarians are for anarchy" don't know the first thing about libertarians. That's what people who don't like libertarians usually beat a drum about to scare the typical stupid masses of people to stay away from them.
With libertarians in charge, and easy 1/4 of the government would lose their job.
I suggest you research what a libertarian is and understand that an ANARCHIST is for anarchy, not a libertarian.
Anarchist:An advocate of or a participant in anarchism.
Anarchism: 1. The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished. 2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists. 3. Rejection of all forms of coercive control and authority: "He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity
Libertarian: One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
One who believes in free will.
Note the word "MINIMIZING" not abolishing. And the libertarians are for states rights more than anything. This means YOUR state could make abortion illegal, and the progressive states can keep it legal. A decent compromise, I'd say. This means the states like California & Massachusetts could get more power to do as their people want, and the bible-belt can get what they want.
Funny how the democrats only "hope" is states rights now that they fight for and the republicans (previous state-rights advocates) are the ones taking it away.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:56:56 EST (#)
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You're still having trouble differentiating between the people and the government. News station polls are showing that in CA, upwards of 90% of the people are against the system, but Schwarzenegger and DMV head Joan Barucki (or something, I don't remember the name) are for it. So who has the power to control whether or not the system will get tested? The people or the governor? Schwarzenegger's still looking for a way out of the budget crisis, and if we're losing money on the gas tax when there's a way to make it back, what do you think's gonna happen? This could happen in any state with the right conditions, regardless of political inclination.
Submitted by mystiamoon (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:55:39 EST (#)
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well the 300 billion we are spending on wars would go along way divided by 50 states...thats alot of smooth roads, baby!
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:52:15 EST (#)
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not to really piss you off or anything, but i'd like to make some broad over-generalized statements.
conservatives get hot under the collar and scream about everything
liberals get whiney and complain about everything--usually with tones of dread.
libertarians find conspiracies in everything and think we should live in anarchy
nobody has it down pat. i lean towards the left, but i wouldn't put all my eggs in liberal causes. Anyone who is strictly partisan is going to be wrong 50% of the time.
(33% if you include libertarians...i won't)
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:42:08 EST (#)
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"these people" in the article don't need to be conservative or liberal. The fact that this occurs in states that are very "liberal" is what I'm mentioning.
Remember when they wanted to remove the 10 commandments from the courthouse? Yeah, that whole thing was done for political motivation...but the people of the region fought like nuts against it. But, it wasn't a "local" issue. It was a federal one and they lost.
If these clowns can "test" the system, what does that exactly mean? Would they test something they would never think of putting into place? The fact that these systems are being tested in two of the most "liberal" states of the USA I find to be rather hypocritical. I'd like to see 100,000 liberals march on that campus protesting that crap. But they are too busy crying about Bush...
Oh well.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:37:55 EST (#)
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Tom, your dad was stupid enough to sand a car without proper safety gear. Those same stupid genes are in your DNA. Have a nice (short) life, prick.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:36:59 EST (#)
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DMD, if a state overwhelmingly votes for a liberal democrat...A majority of the population of that state proudly declares their political affiliation and hatred of the man in charge...
And then they go ahead and simply ALLOW this topic to go beyond a test phase is ridiculous.
People in the south get on my nerves on the most part... But I'll give a segment of the population credit for something....They don't settle for shit that is forced on them very good. Sometimes that is good (bullshit laws), sometimes that is bad (civil rights).
The media sucks, yes. They talk about the story in a phoney kind of way and even hidden101 thinks it "will not fly". ODB-II & III will not fly either? This shit is all bad news.
And nobody does anything to stop it...And maybe Zoidberg will blame it on bipartisan arguing, and there is truth to that. The republicans and democrats like the people arguing amongst themselves because both of them can do some crazy shit because nobody is doing anything to stop either of them.
And now you have republicans making bigger government and democrats peeking into your personal info.
This is troubling stuff.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:32:51 EST (#)
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It doesn't matter what you are. You're a dumbass. End of story.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:31:08 EST (#)
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No, I mentioned buzzwords because you're trying to pin some random shit on liberals for the sake of blaming liberals. There is no way you can connect the general political ideology of a state to every single person that lives there and action that occurs there.
What if these people were conservatives? Wouldn't you sound stupid then?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:29:49 EST (#)
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I will never agree with you sorry bastards, so it is almost pointless for you to debate. This is the shit you believe in:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/02/15/keyes.daughter.ap/
Blah blah blah...some republican's daughter is gay, so what? So she professes that she is a "liberal queer" and then at the end of the article whines (like many QUEERS ..not homosexuals...) do:
Marcel-Keyes said she received an outpouring of support when disclosing her sexual orientation, but her friend did not.
"Like me, he grew up queer in a conservative household," she said. But where she got hundreds of e-mails, offers of a place to stay and a college scholarship, "he'd been out there two years and had gotten nothing."
"And the worst part is, he isn't the only one," Marcel-Keyes said.
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Yes, I must admit I'm gay on a public stage and receive an outpouring of support in the form of a college scholarship, hundreds of emails, offers for places to stay, etc....
"the worst part" is that ALL self-admitted queers should get this free shit, I guess.
Only in fucked up America.... This bitch should be beaten.
Just as some people like to say there are blacks and there are niggers, there are most certainly homosexuals and then queers....
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:24:19 EST (#)
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It's an analogy, not an argument.
The "liberal state" didn't come up with the stupid idea, some dumbass did. Blaming it on a political ideology that is a characteristic of the state in which something happens is stupid.
The "conservative state" didn't say anything about gay marriage, some dumbass did. Blaming it on a political ideology that is a characteristic of the state in which something happens is stupid.
And thus ends the chapter on Interpreting Analogies, next class we'll talk about How Not To Commit Fallacies All Over The Place.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:23:34 EST (#)
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I know you say "buzzwords! buzzwords!" blah blah blah...that is the cry of the sad liberal democrat who usually proudly says "I'M A LIBERAL!" in public but when people bash liberals they say "Why the liberal tag?"
Do I need to say it a billion times? I know what a liberal is and I know what a conservative is. And the political meanings have changed what these two words mean and if you want to go ahead and cry about it, fine. Cry like a whore.
Then email all the websites that say "liberal and conservative" and bitch about it.
Email all the websites that have political quizes that call people "liberal", "conservative", libertarian, etc.
"buzzwords! buzzwords!!"
Yes, DMD. "Liberal democrat" only comes up on google 653,000 times.
Maybe you are a centrist democrat, who knows...But, if I say something and it doesn't apply to you, please recognize it and then shut the fuck up.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:18:07 EST (#)
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Whatever you say, DMD. I support the libertarian view on gay marriage...
Marriage is something that is private and should be kept out of government's hands.
So if a certain church wants to allow gays to marry, then fine. If a church doesn't, then fine. It is on that church, not the government to figure this shit out.
I'm not anti-gay or from Texas...so, I don't understand why you brought it up.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:04:51 EST (#)
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and yes I know you're a libertarian but there aren't any libertarian states with which I can make the analogy
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 04:03:38 EST (#)
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Hey you know one time this guy in Texas said "I think gays should be able to get married." Can you believe that shit? What a hypocritical shit hole Texas must be, for a conservative state to allow something like that to happen. Typical shit from the conservatives. Conservatives. Conservatives. Buzzwords. BUZZWORDS.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:58:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:37:37 (#)
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Did I say one fucking thing endorsing liberals?
See you're so blinded by the invective that you've become a mouthpiece for that you can't think for yourself beyond "GRRR NOT REPUBLICAN BAD"
For every bonehead thing a "liberal" does I can point out another a "conservative" does, and vice versa.
My point is, ignorant retards like yourself, both left and right, are tearing this country apart because they're both too caught up being a fucking republican or a democrat to bother with being an American.
Well fuck you and get out of my country.
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I insulted liberals, you cried like a fucking street whore who didn't get a tip.
You say "for every bonehead thing a "liberal" does, you can point out another a conservative does and vice versa.... Ummmm. Duh, hello there McFly. That's what > I < am saying so I don't need you to fucking tell me the sky is blue, OK?
And then you call me an "ignorant retard" from both the left and right...neither of which I am, making your sentence complete crap.
Then you say shit about "being caught up being blah blah blah" I give a fuck about BOTH THOSE groups. But it is funny to see people in states considered "liberal strongholds" doing shit that goes completely against what they supposedly stand for.
And who loses in the end? Everyone. So I say, yep...liberal state doing shit that is very liberal but not very popular among the people in the party. And the republicans will do nothing to stop it.
And then I read the funny responses from them defending these things. Hidden101 cracks me up the most because, like I'm going to listen to a fucking alcoholic over my own views.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:48:43 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:44:34 (#)
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Zoidberg, I'm not a fucking republican so you can shut your mouth about now. Are you drunk? Are you stupid? Or are you both?
So says the man who reads my comment and convinces himself it says something completely different then what it does
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:44:34 EST (#)
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Zoidberg, I'm not a fucking republican so you can shut your mouth about now. Are you drunk? Are you stupid? Or are you both?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:43:26 EST (#)
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Libertarians support 100% privatized social security. Not the kind Bush is coming up with... The kind that lets you keep your money where you want it. (Other countries do it with good success, but I guess we can't because our government doesn't let us.) Oh yeah, Bush's plan sucks and is basically worse than the fucked up system we have now...
http://www.lp.org/issues/social-security.html
Libertarians view on taxes:
http://www.lp.org/issues/cut-taxes.html
The highway systems are money pits to large construction companies. Hell, many of these companies are unionized and pro-democrat type of businesses. They do a shitty job, I might add. Maybe it is that thing about money always coming in that makes them do it. If you know you are going to get a check coming in every year, you're going to want to make it increase and doing your job better and working yourself out of future pay isn't conductive to your business.
I don't care too much about the interstate system. Hell, I said fuck it last night and drove on 41 even. Privatize the sucker.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:42:26 EST (#)
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dicto simpliciter
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:41:32 EST (#)
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Solution #1:
Cut social security and medicare. Pay for roads with that money.
Added bonus: use the corpses of all the helpness old and sick as asphault.
Problem solved.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:39:30 EST (#)
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I misspellled addicted! I must me an ignorant redneck!
-2 for me
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:38:15 EST (#)
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Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:24:26 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:06:44 (#)
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"That Big Brother is being created solely by the right wing is an illusion. Those on both sides of the aisle are imposing a government with its hands in your pockets, ears on your telephone, and eyes in your bedroom. The face of Big Brother is in the PATRIOT act, but the heart and soul is in every social program created since 1933."
-Rad
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I don't know where this quote is from, but it's totally off the mark. "Big Brother" isn't synonymous with big government. The horrors that Orwell portrayed in 1984 were meant to instill a fear of an small, elite, ruling class. The purpose of most social programs is to assist those in need, not to oppress them. Programs that are properly funded and carefully executed are largely successful, and do not impose on our freedom or privacy.
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These social programs that "help" people create a dependency on the program. The person who is down is atticted to it, like a whore to crack. This ensures a powerbase for a small, elite ruling class.
I agree with your view on the purpose, but what we lack is an accountability for the programs. How often are these programs properly funded and executed, as well as maintained to a high standard?
"Not with my money"
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:37:37 EST (#)
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Did I say one fucking thing endorsing liberals?
See you're so blinded by the invective that you've become a mouthpiece for that you can't think for yourself beyond "GRRR NOT REPUBLICAN BAD"
For every bonehead thing a "liberal" does I can point out another a "conservative" does, and vice versa.
My point is, ignorant retards like yourself, both left and right, are tearing this country apart because they're both too caught up being a fucking republican or a democrat to bother with being an American.
Well fuck you and get out of my country.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:34:22 EST (#)
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Haha!
I think Bart dislikes me (in the unlikely event that he even knows who I am), but he is right on about this post.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:32:25 EST (#)
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No wait wait, what was I thinking...
If we give a tax cut to the rich, the increased economic activity will repair the roads.
Seriously, I'm sick and tired of trying to think of actual workable solutions to problems. I'm becoming a right winger!
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:30:04 EST (#)
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Janet Reno! Surely she'll pay for the roads in California!
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:28:08 EST (#)
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Were you accusing the media of spreading propaganda during Clinton's administration, Hidden101? Probably not. You're worthless like all liberal democrats are.
Fucking ignorant sons of bitches who cry and hate Ashcroft but totally ignore Janet Reno who was a real showboating wacko. Do you remember Ruby Ridge? The Branch Davidians? Elian Gonzales?
nah, probably not. At the time you were bitching about "unfair" treatment of Clinton.
You don't know me, you don't know shit. You are a fucking worthless piece of shit alcoholic, Hidden101. Look in the mirror and try to focus in on one of the images that is you. Get angry, smash the mirror with a bottle of Whiskey and cry yourself to sleep. Your words are worthless.
I bet you have that "constant alcoholic slurring" in your voice, even when you are sober. That's what happens to drunks like yourself, you know.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:26:57 EST (#)
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Ok Mister self proclaimed Libertarian, who do YOU think should pay for the roads? The people who DON'T drive on them?
No wait, I forgot in your little fantasy land that roads just magically repair themselves. It's the same fairy that pays for social security and medicare.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:25:52 EST (#)
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Whoops, I forgot that people like Stabkill and hidden101 are incapable of anything above childish shit-flinging.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:25:12 EST (#)
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"Democrat + republican are opposite sides of the same turd."
I don't know what planet you're from. If there was a democratic president, I seriously doubt we would have invaded Iraq. We would also probably not have the color coded public panic attack meter, privatization of social security, or the witch hunt on gays and dirty words on the radio.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:24:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:06:44 (#)
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"That Big Brother is being created solely by the right wing is an illusion. Those on both sides of the aisle are imposing a government with its hands in your pockets, ears on your telephone, and eyes in your bedroom. The face of Big Brother is in the PATRIOT act, but the heart and soul is in every social program created since 1933."
-Rad
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I don't know where this quote is from, but it's totally off the mark. "Big Brother" isn't synonymous with big government. The horrors that Orwell portrayed in 1984 were meant to instill a fear of an small, elite, ruling class. The purpose of most social programs is to assist those in need, not to oppress them. Programs that are properly funded and carefully executed are largely successful, and do not impose on our freedom or privacy.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:20:48 EST (#)
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Are these people "liberals" if they come up with new ideas such as taxing people by the mile, Hidden101? Yes.
So what? Do you want me to call you a socialist instead? Sure ... there are a vast majority of "liberals" who are basically socialists.
I'm libertarian and by all means that is "liberal" in a sense that is MORE liberal than what a liberal democrat is...But hell, that's above you to understand. You are shit, Hidden101. I can't wait for the day you overdose on a bottle of your "liquid only-real friend in life".
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:20:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:17:58 (#)
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God, you people sure know politics...yeah, the governor runs everything the state does (when he's republican at least) and the president is at fault for everything the united states federal government does, right (at least when he is republican.)
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you're right, but guess what? the media hangs on every bit of bullshit the administration feeds them and helps spread the propaganda, causing weak minds like yours to support their bullshit unsuspectingly.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:17:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:15:02 (#)
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Zoidberg: another fool who can't read things right. Fucking LIBERALS are all for "privacy" but yet here is something that shows the exact opposite. But since I pointed out that little problem, all the liberals have to come out of their holes to -2 and cry that I am unfair to them...
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there you go again with the "liberals" thing. this is an idea by a handful of people, you retard, not "LIBERALS" like you seem to think. are you really dumb enough to insinuate that millions of people that you would lump into one category agree with this? you're even dumber than i thought.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:17:58 EST (#)
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God, you people sure know politics...yeah, the governor runs everything the state does (when he's republican at least) and the president is at fault for everything the united states federal government does, right (at least when he is republican.) Janet Reno was just as bad (probably worse) than Ashcroft but somehow you all have short memory spans.
That's OK. Maybe one day someone will educate you on who runs what departments and who is appointed by who.
And then someone can probably tell you that Arnold, even as a republican, is not acting as if he is a republican on many issues. Who fucking cares? I don't. Democrat + republican are opposite sides of the same turd.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:15:18 EST (#)
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and you need to listen to Arnie and "stop whining".
jesus christ, why don't you run the country, since you're such a super genius?
read this again, moron-
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:12:16 (#)
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one thing Ive noticed with you ignorant armchair politico's, everything boils down to either "liberals" or "conservatives"
newsflash jerkwad, your side isnt 100% correct and neither is the other. But you keep spewing that partisan rhetoric and see where it gets this country
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:15:02 EST (#)
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Zoidberg: another fool who can't read things right. Fucking LIBERALS are all for "privacy" but yet here is something that shows the exact opposite. But since I pointed out that little problem, all the liberals have to come out of their holes to -2 and cry that I am unfair to them...
And I guess I could be considered partisan, but not to republicans.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:13:12 EST (#)
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I didn't come up with it. Hell, I don't even vote. Don't rag on me because Arnold can't do his job.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:12:57 EST (#)
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i don't remember mentioning red states or Bush in my reply.... interesting.
and what fucking car reports things to local authorities? are you fucking retarded?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:12:30 EST (#)
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Bart, you don't think I know of Illinois and their bullshit tolls? I wonder why the one next to Wisconsin just happens to be twice as much as the rest.... Fucking Illinois Bastards...
I don't need to pin something onto Jimmy Carter, Bart. And just because the governor of California is a Republican doesn't mean anything when it comes to this until it would be enacted. Of course, when it comes to taxing people per mile I don't think the Republicans will support it but due to the fact they can toss a GPS on each vehicle they would look the other way.
This is all bullshit, and the democrats and republicans are one and the same basically. They don't give a fuck, they take your money and spend it until it is gone and instead of figuring out how to live within their means like the rest of society they cry they need more money and tax the shit out of people more to get it.
Fuck em' both.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:12:16 EST (#)
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one thing Ive noticed with you ignorant armchair politico's, everything boils down to either "liberals" or "conservatives"
newsflash jerkwad, your side isnt 100% correct and neither is the other. But you keep spewing that partisan rhetoric and see where it gets this country
Submitted by gob_bluth (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:09:54 EST (#)
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Fuck you mother fucker, you can pay my fucking taxes and choke on my balls!
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:07:48 EST (#)
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Even scarier is the bill that forces tying of states' DMV records being pushed in the name of "homeland security". You know, because of all those terrorists that get drivers' licenses. I suppose you could somehow find a way to blame that one on Jimmy Carter.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:06:44 EST (#)
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"That Big Brother is being created solely by the right wing is an illusion. Those on both sides of the aisle are imposing a government with its hands in your pockets, ears on your telephone, and eyes in your bedroom. The face of Big Brother is in the PATRIOT act, but the heart and soul is in every social program created since 1933."
-Rad
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:05:57 EST (#)
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Hidden = kool-aid drinker
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:05:19 EST (#)
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Last I checked, Arnold Schwarzenegger was a Republican.
Here in Chicago we have tolls and potholes. The roads are under construction nine months out of the year, and the other three months they're covered with snow or blocked off for a parade. On top of that, the contruction crews are all run by friends of the mayor, so all the jobs are shoddy and take too long.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:05:07 EST (#)
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I didn't say the ENGINEER was a liberal, but he needs an ass beating nonetheless.
I'd just like to point out to all the liberal dickheads from the USA like Hidden101 who bitch about "red state this and that" and their hatred toward Bush supporters and it is people from within LIBERAL DOMINATED areas that do this kind of shit.
"It won't fly." Hidden101 says, but he's a fucking idiot. I guess he might have thought that about the computers that are being put in all cars nowadays that can monitor all your systems and report them to the local law so the next time you get into a wreck doing 10 over the speed limit they will be able to rightfully lock your ass up in prison for it.
Submitted by creep_firebombing (user info) at 2005-02-16 03:03:42 EST (#)
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That's fucked up.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-02-16 02:59:48 EST (#)
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First of all, who says this scientist in Oregon is a liberal? His ideas are pretty far from liberal, if you ask me.
Secondly, the development of affordable hybrid vehicles should not be impeded by something like this. I don't see why increasing the price of tolls isn't an easy solution to this problem. Even if significantly increased toll prices discourages people from driving on the highways, this will result in fewer repair and maintainence costs for the state and national government.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2005-02-16 02:59:42 EST (#)
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does your pussy hurt? when are you going to stop whining about "liberals"? yeah, this is a stupid idea, but it ain't gonna fly and you know it. do you just need something to bitch about 24/7 because the sand in your vagina is irritating you so badly?
Submitted by tinactin (user info) at 2005-02-16 02:57:59 EST (#)
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Just another step toward an Orwellian society, and my fucking state is leading the charge.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-02-16 02:52:47 EST (#)
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yep...shitty idea.
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2005-02-16 02:46:05 EST (#)
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Everything sucks nowadays. Everything!