Fuck Those Pro-Choice Whores. (NSFW) (5916 hits)
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Submitted by Williamson (View user info) at 2005-02-16 08:34:12 EST
Another political post here from Williamson. Enjoy.
There are two reasons I have decided to write this post:
1) Cause they are whores and deserve to be told so.
2) Cause Uber seems to view me as extreme-left when in fact many of my beliefs are based on a strong sense of nationalism. Just because I have faith in an economic system known as socialism, does NOT make me some nutty lefty. Although, granted, I'm more left-leaning than right and i don't support unjustified wars or corrupt governments (see Iraq; Bush Administration).
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Anyway, now that I've justified that, let's get onto the topic at hand which is flushing babies down a toilet drain, known to feminists as "abortion".
Now this is a question of morality and science. When is a human human, and is it moral to kill an unwanted human?
***"Oh, but no," unshaven feminists scream "it's not an unwanted human. It's an unwanted fetus!"***
What's the difference? Look at yourselves. What are you? A few trillion skin cells, a couple other trillion liver cells, five trillion red blood cells, and in the case of feminists, about 5 brain cells. You are nothing more than a collective entity of trillions of cells. The only difference between you and that baby is that he's only made up of a few million. Does that baby have any less right to be treated as human just because it's less developed?
***"But it's a woman's body and she has the right to it"***
Oh, I see! A baby within a mother is "the mother's body" is it? I guess until that thing pops out of your vaginas the baby is in fact the woman, is it? This baby has a right to life that you (the pro-choice faction) are claiming is worthless compared with the woman's "right to control her OWN body". Well, guess what!? It isn't her body anymore. Biology or god or something has given us this gift of life and this ability for a woman to play host for another life-form; your child. This child is not you, he/she is not YOUR body, just within it, and you have NO right to destroy it because you think it's more convenient to flush it down a sink than actually take some fucking responsibility for your actions and raise the child that you created.
YES, that YOU created!
Unless your name is Mary and 3 wise men come to visit you, your baby is the result of you bending back and spreading your legs. Sure, you didn't want this baby, sure you used contraception but it didn't work, but TOO BAD. You wanted a fuck and now you have to take the consequences, be it a baby or the AIDS. (Solution to AIDS here: http://www.ubersite.com/m/59627 ). Killing someone because they are inconvenient is called what again kids? Murder! And you pro-choicers may be trying to catch us out on a technicality (he/she's not born yet), but at the end of the day, you are murderers and you have blood on your hands you dirty whores.
***"But what about rape or incest... or the risk of a mother dying because of the pregnancy."***
This is the only place pro-lifers and pro-choicers see eye to eye. Under these circumstances the child should be aborted if the mother wants (as sad as that is).
***"The baby has not reached viability (the ability for the baby to survive if the baby was delivered.). Thus it's life is dependant on the mother and she has the choice."***
Nuh, I don't think so Nigger. If you give birth to a healthy child at 9 months, nothing wrong with him, completely healthy and you left him in the middle of the street, what would happen? That's right he'd cark(sp?) it. Claiming that the choice belongs to the mother because the baby is dependant on her is bullshit. Just look at the ecology of the world. This whole planet, the entire eco-system is based on interdependence. These murder-mothers are dependant on many other people/faunae/florae to survive. They are as equally dependant on others as the baby is to them. Claiming the right to kill is in the hands of the independant party is absolute bullshit. It's nothing but poorly justified murder.
***"Killing the baby before it has a spinal cord or nerve cells and can feel is ok though."***
No it's not. I've heard this before. That if the baby can't feel it's somehow magically ok to kill it. So painless murder is ok, is it? So I can go around and gas people as long as they don't feel it? Admit it! Everything you think is fine is cold-blooded murder except you claim that your babies aren't human yet.
What is human? I'm not sure. But I'm almost certain that the willingness to butcher your own child isn't human at all. When you have a new genetic code, you have a new human, and that point is at the moment of conception when the little sperm goes into the little egg and creates a NEW HUMAN LIFE. DON'T KILL IT!
***"But the parent is poor and the father has left and the baby will just have a shitty life anyway"***
Answer = Kill it? Are you fucking crazy? You're argument parallels rounding up all old people and killing them cause their lives suck anyway. Now, rounding up old geezers and hanging them in the middle of town square sounds like good fun and all but it has 2 flaws.
1) Old people could be put to better use slaving at sugar cane farms and silver mines.
2) It's Murder! You know that thing you do to your babies?
So many people have excelled even though they have been born into the poorest families and gone to the worst schools. Give these children the opportunity to live! Don't just give up and kill them, you fucking whores.
I don't know what else a pro-choicer would babble on at this point, so I'm gonna shut up now.
And enjoy this pic. If you feel disgusted pro-choicers, just remember, they're only fetuses, right?
User Reviews
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-06-08 11:49:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
+2 cause the last guy is an idiot.
Submitted by notwelcomehurr (user info) at 2005-06-08 11:20:44 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-22 08:17:11 EST (#)
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I run a bath and go to get the toaster. (They took away the only thing I love which is my gf.) I went insane. She was like give me my toaster. So I give it to her. The I get in the tub anyway with my clothes on.
Submitted by LordJirate (user info) at 2005-02-21 19:46:37 EST (#)
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Just because you're in a minority doesn't mean you're wrong.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-02-21 19:26:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by myredmirage95 (user info) at 2005-02-21 02:06:28 (#)
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I just don't understand how people who have abortions can live with themselves and it makes me sick that our society even has abortion as an option for women who have screwed up and gotten themselves pregnant. You know, in their eyes it's ok to kill something they don't want around...so does that mean it alright for us to kill them?, because I sincerely don't want people like that breathing the air I breathe.
+2 for calling out those murdering whores
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stin,
this was was i was directing my comment.
Submitted by Rawrg (user info) at 2005-02-21 16:32:57 EST (#)
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I did, that's why they're pro choice.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/60177
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2005-02-21 12:08:31 EST (#)
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Shut up.
The world is over populated, and abortion rules. Killing something that isn't even conscious of itself cannot be judged as murder.
Would you really like to se a world population statistic reading "12 billion" in your lifetime?
For once, the more does not mean the merrier.
Also, I'm drunk right now. Go after-school drinking WOO.
Submitted by FuckTheArmy (user info) at 2005-02-21 06:36:33 EST (#)
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Let's hope I'm the first to say it, because I'm bloody well not sorting through that shitfight below to check.
I'm not offended or even disgusted by the pictures.
I'm offended by you, mr Nazi (yes, they called themselves socialist too, and they were just as right wing).
If you think a baby without an upbringing is somehow as good/useful as a fully grown socialised adult, or even a child or adolescent, you have another thing coming.
Why do you want to destroy people's private sex lives, you fucking prude?
You probably think BDSM is wrong, too.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-02-21 06:33:09 EST (#)
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Keep breathing Munkey...
It is all a question of personal morals, ethics and where YOU draw the line between life, death, conception, black, white, rights, responsibilities, idealism, realism, even cynicism.
I know where I draw those lines. I know why I draw them where I do. Whilst my views are within the law, you have no right to move my lines. I have to live with the implications of my actions, and my subsequent decisions. You do not. It is worth never forgetting that.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-02-21 04:18:18 EST (#)
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must... not... rip .. into.. narrow minded.. people..
so hard
Submitted by supererwallet (user info) at 2005-02-21 04:00:38 EST (#)
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I just don't understand how people who have abortions can live with themselves and it makes me sick that our society even has abortion as an option for women who have screwed up and gotten themselves pregnant. You know, in their eyes it's ok to kill something they don't want around...so does that mean it alright for us to kill them?, because I sincerely don't want people like that breathing the air I breathe.
+2 for calling out those murdering whores
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You make me fucking sick.
Because a girl gets raped on her way home from work, she's a whore?
I would love to see you in that position you narrow minded twat.
Submitted by stevie_says (user info) at 2005-02-21 02:22:00 EST (#)
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Solid zero. I had to go get a quarter just to compare it with the pic. I did a report on abortion in high school and I still don't know how to feel.
Submitted by myredmirage95 (user info) at 2005-02-21 02:06:28 EST (#)
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I just don't understand how people who have abortions can live with themselves and it makes me sick that our society even has abortion as an option for women who have screwed up and gotten themselves pregnant. You know, in their eyes it's ok to kill something they don't want around...so does that mean it alright for us to kill them?, because I sincerely don't want people like that breathing the air I breathe.
+2 for calling out those murdering whores
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-02-21 01:21:45 EST (#)
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you know i respct that people think it's sick. i do.
but for you people living in lala land...
It's just afwul that people find themselves in position where they have
to make a decision that, I am sure, it kills a little piece of their soul.
maybe instead of trying to argue abortion let's figure out
why people even have to consider it. why is it that child care
is insanely expensive? medical coverage? There are so many
poeple without decent insurance. people are not getting married anymore
and the numbers of single parent families are ridiculous. There are already
so many god damn children in this world that need care and attention.
No one argues like this for them.
Do you really think women use it to their convenience?
well maybe a few idiots.
it's idealistic... not at all realistic.
and that's it. that's all i have. this is something that pushes my buttons
even thoughit's useless to even argue.
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2005-02-20 20:01:24 EST (#)
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One thing. You are basing your arguement on the point of view that fetuses have the inherent right to live. The thing is, not everyone thinks that way. If someone came up with undeniable evidence that fetuses don't have the right to "live", then your arguement is debunked. However, that will not happen, because it is strictly a matter of one's moral and religious beliefs. Like it or not, but this issue is mainly religious.
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2005-02-20 19:45:35 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-02-20 12:54:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-02-20 00:12:58 (#)
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it's sad because pro-choicers still think it's OK. It's not necessarily a question of religion, it's ethics, it's common sense, it's being humane and civil.
look up partial-birth abortions, please. that's when the baby is HALF WAY OUT OF THE MOM, and the doctor shoves a vacuum up into its head and SUCKS OUT THE BRAIN!!
Oh, yea. Partial-birth abortions are only for babies older than 6 months.
If you can't handle a child, then don't fuck in the first place. It's you crazy feminists who should be aborted, give the child up for adoption at the least, there are planty of couples who are unable to have kids that want them.
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Erm... if you hadn't realised, moron, partial birth abortion has been banned in America. It is not available in Britain, where abortion is illegal over 24 weeks (excepting severe medical reasons) and has been so for a long time. It is not, as far as I can tell, available in many other countries.
A lot of the pictures above are of genuine miscarriages and not of abortion - they are used fraudulently by pro-life groups for their shock value and nothing more.
Submitted by enraged_baboon (user info) at 2005-02-20 02:27:57 EST (#)
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I agree with this post. Death to babykillers.
Submitted by mboomer (user info) at 2005-02-20 01:11:55 EST (#)
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Ok, interesting opinion, -2 because of the pictures, they were interesting but pretty much undid all of the rhetoric.
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-02-20 00:16:03 EST (#)
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and another thing. after reading like 3 of the first minus twos, i came across the typical liberal...
Submitted by Mitchapalooza (user info) at 2005-02-16 08:49:10 (#)
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you're an idiot and your points don't make much sense.
prove he's wrong bitch. prove it. How can these 'facts' be wrong anyways? it's called an opinion. The only fact is that abortion is wrong.
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-02-20 00:12:58 EST (#)
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it's sad because pro-choicers still think it's OK. It's not necessarily a question of religion, it's ethics, it's common sense, it's being humane and civil.
look up partial-birth abortions, please. that's when the baby is HALF WAY OUT OF THE MOM, and the doctor shoves a vacuum up into its head and SUCKS OUT THE BRAIN!!
Oh, yea. Partial-birth abortions are only for babies older than 6 months.
If you can't handle a child, then don't fuck in the first place. It's you crazy feminists who should be aborted, give the child up for adoption at the least, there are planty of couples who are unable to have kids that want them.
Submitted by hollygolitely (user info) at 2005-02-19 12:55:48 EST (#)
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Holy typos, Batman.
Submitted by hollygolitely (user info) at 2005-02-19 12:38:07 EST (#)
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I can't read all of the reviews, but I definitely agree with you.
When I was in highschool, I thought I'd have an abortion if I got pregnant (even though I didn't have sex until I was in college). THEN, I my school made us watch a video showing similar pictures, etc. It obviously changed my selfish point of view.
Anyway, I think pro-double choice is teh bullshit. You're choice, in my opinion.....is fuck with a condom, fuch without a condom. There's your choice. Like you said, there are circumstances where this is NOT a choice and said SINGLE choice should be made by the victim.
Anyway, my first uber friend was Kaelic. During our last conversation, he called me a "Conservative Nut". I thought that was funny and it made me think........ common sense = conservative nut?!
We share the boat.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2005-02-19 02:20:13 EST (#)
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Way to change minds.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2005-02-18 20:57:01 EST (#)
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Who's the guy in the last pic? You know, the unaborted one.
Submitted by Vanni_Fresco (user info) at 2005-02-18 20:47:29 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by supererwallet (user info) at 2005-02-18 19:30:34 EST (#)
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If my cock wasn't in one of those fetuses mouths, i'd have you suck it.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-02-18 19:13:21 EST (#)
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your ass is the parking lot for cock.
Submitted by tidalfae (user info) at 2005-02-18 13:30:14 EST (#)
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good thing you've decided that you are smarter than all of us. we should all bow down to your wisdom and knowledge.
Submitted by Evil_Morg (user info) at 2005-02-18 06:00:48 EST (#)
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save your breath
Submitted by modusjoe (user info) at 2005-02-17 23:12:13 EST (#)
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You're like a feminazi without the femi.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2005-02-17 21:50:47 EST (#)
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DMD is tha mutha fucking man!
As for this post and the author's life...
Fucking pathetic.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2005-02-17 20:18:28 EST (#)
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I'm all for expanding my horizons and learning something new, but sometimes I HATE ROTTEN DOT FUCKING COM.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-02-17 20:05:01 EST (#)
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Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-02-17 19:57:02 (#)
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Please don't bother with any gay marraige posts, or any other posts of similar bent.
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He's pro gay-marriage. Read the disclaimer sort of thing at the top of the post.
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-02-17 19:57:02 EST (#)
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I've never felt more justified in saying this
Williamson = PWNED
care of DMD.
Please don't bother with any gay marraige posts, or any other posts of similar bent.
Submitted by lava605 (user info) at 2005-02-17 17:00:31 EST (#)
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I also agree with monkeypants. Just cause you make abortion illegal doesnt mean people arent going to get them other ways, more dangerous ways. You are risking the life of one person for a kid who, chances are with the crime rate always going up, will end up doing something stupid.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-02-17 16:52:49 EST (#)
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vanessa has some interesting points and DMD and ETS are awesome.
what pisses me off is :
people who can't see that this world is a fucked up place. Women WILL
throw themselves downstairs, scraped out their own uterus
or hid it until delivery then abandonded the baby in acts of desperation.
this is world is not the fucking utopia you wish it was. there are way too many fucking kids
in this world abused, unwanted, and dying. yet no one writes posts like this
about them. maybe you have adequate medical coverage, a large caring family,
goals, money.. not every one does.
you dont know what the factors are in people's decisions not to have a baby.
don't you fucking go judging anyone unless you have been in a situation like that.
have you ever been a 15 year old mommy or daddy? have you ever had to decide
between college and a full life... or a kid?
have you ever had to decide whether the baby, which has no arms, eyes,
or lower jaw, will have a happy life? have you ever had to make a decision
like this?
also... do not. DO NOT tell me what i have to do with my body. DO NOT
judge others when they have to make such a tough life altering decision.
DO NOT stick this sick shit in my face for your cause. you live your life
the best you can and i will do the same.
if you want to live in a perfect world you're in the wrong place, dipshit.
by the way. nice going on showing pictures of illegal abortions and
miscarried babies. that's nice.. making circe and stin cry.
hope you're fucking proud of yourself.
Submitted by lava605 (user info) at 2005-02-17 16:46:25 EST (#)
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Yea abortion is murder, i totally agree. But if there was not abortion there would be even more people in this already over crowed world. Now it is not fair for to say person A has more of a right than person B to live. That unborn HUMAN does have a right to live as anyone else. But be realisitic, we should worry more about giving homes to those kids whose "parents" put em up for adoption. Abortion is sad, and it sucks, but its population control.
I am not going to rate you either plus or minus cause my own views are so contradicting.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-02-17 16:43:24 EST (#)
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See? You just proved that you can't formulate a decent argument. Therefore, I claim victory, even if it is by default. It must suck to be you.
Submitted by Vanessa27 (user info) at 2005-02-17 16:19:30 EST (#)
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Williamson-
Your use of the word "nigger" automatically triggered my idiot radar. Then to go on and find that you are a boy (not a man) commenting on a topic that you know nothing about, made me decide to write my first post. First off, if some ugly, nagging, saggy tittied woman you just fucked one night in a drunken stupor got pregnant and wanted to keep your baby and collect your money for the next 18 years, I am sure you would gladly drive her to the nearest clinic and cash your paycheck to at the nearest quickie-mart to get her an abortion.
Pregnant at the age of 13 due to my own stupidity and parentel misguidance, I had an abortion, gee, I guess I should have kept my baby and brought it to show and tell. When I was 17, I became pregnant again, kept my son Josh, and am doing well )he's 13 now). But the more I watch the news and see young girls suffocating their child AFTER giving birth, the more I wish I could have given them the $400 to have an abortion. Or how about some woman who abuses her child with lit cigarettes and starves it in a closet, I guess she shouldn't have had an abortion. I guess my only point is, if I even have one, is that all people have different situations that may arise and if you truely feel you should not have a child, then you should not. Late term abortion is illegal. But for obvious reasons, a woman has a choice to terminate her pregnancy legally and safely within the walls of a medical facility. To take away these rights will cause harm to pregnant women forced to have "back alley" type abortions. I am not saying abortion is right, I'm not arguing when a fetus is human, I am just defending choice. Until you are a woman, and put in the situation of having an unwanted pregnancy, you should probably stick to topics more fit to you, such as the newest Nintendo game, or what porn sites you like to masturbate to.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-17 15:56:22 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"flushing babies down a toilet drain"
hyperbole, equivocation
"When is a human human, and is it moral to kill an unwanted human?"
incorrect terminology: all human cells are human at any point, the question is when a group becomes a 'person'
"it's not an unwanted human. It's an unwanted fetus!"
strawman by having the opposition use incorrect terminology (see above)
"A few trillion skin cells, a couple other trillion liver cells, five trillion red blood cells, and in the case of feminists, about 5 brain cells. You are nothing more than a collective entity of trillions of cells. The only difference between you and that baby is that he's only made up of a few million."
irrelevant, number of cells is not a factor in anything
"Does that baby have any less right to be treated as human just because it's less developed?"
red herring
"A baby within a mother is "the mother's body" is it?"
yes, and there's scientific proof for this:
1. The Human Gestational Material is in a semiallogenic or allogenic relationship (depending on the HGM source) with the gravida.
2. All semiallogenic or allogenic relationships of this nature are grafts.
3. The HGM is a graft - and since it is genetically patterned for reproduction it is a reproductive graft.
4. Grafts are integrated into and a part of the organism they are grafted to.
5. Therefore, the HGM is a part of the organism it is grafted to.
" I guess until that thing pops out of your vaginas the baby is in fact the woman, is it?"
yes
"This baby has a right to life"
equivocation (baby)
also there actually is no legal right to life
the rest of your paragraph is based on the assertion that the unborn is a separate entity, an assertion that I disproved earlier
"Killing someone because they are inconvenient is called what again kids? Murder!"
incorrect terminology, a fetus is not defined as "someone" until it has personhood, which occurs at birth
also 'murder' is defined as the unlawful taking of a person's life, where again, the fetus is not a person
"These murder-mothers are dependant on many other people/faunae/florae to survive. They are as equally dependant on others as the baby is to them."
equivocation and false analogy: actually the dependence is NOT equal. the fetus is literally and physically dependent on the mother to perform its biological functions, and that's obviously different than a born child's dependence
"So painless murder is ok, is it?"
strawman, incorrect terminology
"So I can go around and gas people as long as they don't feel it?"
false analogy, loaded question
"Everything you think is fine is cold-blooded murder except you claim that your babies aren't human yet."
strawman by having the opposition use incorrect terminology (see way above)
"What is human? I'm not sure."
obviously not, dipshit, read a high school biology textbook. I already addressed your inability to differentiate between 'human' and 'person' earlier
"But I'm almost certain that the willingness to butcher your own child isn't human at all."
appeal to emotion, emotive equivocation
"When you have a new genetic code, you have a new human"
no
"You're argument parallels rounding up all old people and killing them cause their lives suck anyway."
no it doesn't, because the elderly already have established rights not to be killed without due process
then came the barrage of unverified and obviously (to anyone who knows jack shit about abortion) mislabeled pictures
those are miscarriages. all you did was google image search abortion and put together a bunch of propaganda from websites
just give up, dipshit, you don't know anything
Submitted by Glam_Daddy2 (user info) at 2005-02-17 13:00:34 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Williamson... please adress the issue that the images you chose are not abortions. These are medical mishaps or miscarrages.
several people have brought up that LATE TERM ABORTIONS are ALREADY ILLEGAL.
Why wont you address this? The babies you show there are all develpoed enough to be illegal to abort. As was pointed out a legal abortion would look like a teaspoon of blood.
The fact that you wont adress the issue that the photos you supplied HAVE NOTHING to do with the issue you feebly attempt to discuss is very telling.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-17 11:22:09 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
You need to get yourself back to your pulpit Jerry Falwell.
Life is suffering. GET OVER IT! People die. Bad things happen. What this is really about is the fact that you see something over which you exert NO CONTROL. That's your problem. If you want the world the be like you, you can either fom an army and take it over, or you can talk bullshit on a website.
I get so sick of people talking about 'right' and 'wrong' it makes me fucking sick.... As if YOU are plugged into the magical, mystical source of creation that allows you to distinguish ANYTHING in this CHAOS that is life.
He that professes to know is surely a fool. Welcome to the club of fools - it's called being human. Now get the fuck over it.
Submitted by Mitchapalooza (user info) at 2005-02-17 11:00:59 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-02-17 09:42:40 (#)
Ranking: 0
Mitch-
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Listen you religious spoon-fed stupid bitch, why don't you go in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
And no onions this time! God help you if I taste any onions!!
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-17 10:00:53 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Life = cells.
I have no problem with abortion. You cannot make an omlette without braking a few eggs.
So whats a few cells? So whats a few people in Iraq?
Support your freedom of choice.
+2 cuz Williamson can kick Thorpe's arse.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-02-17 09:52:02 EST (#)
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guarantee. Goddammit I hate typos.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-02-17 09:42:40 EST (#)
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Mitch-
Listen, kiddo. I'm probably smarter than you are, and I garuntee that I know a lot more about this subject in particular than you do. I'm choosing not to get too in-depth into an argument because it is a very emotional topic for me.
You call me a "stupid bitch." Why? Because I called you out? You can't just go around saying "you're wrong" without backing up your statement and expect it to carry any weight. Things don't become true simply because you said them. Nowhere in this entire thread did I say I agree with anything the author said, and I'll say right now that I certainly don't agree with his tactics. Nowhere in this thread did I give my personal opinions on abortion, and nowhere did I attempt to force anyone else to accept those opinions.
You made a lot of assumptions about me, on the basis of no more than a single line of text. I can completely crush most of your argument towards me directly in just a few lines. First, my mother never so much as discussed the topic of abortion with me, and certainly she did not incorporate biblical principles into her method of raising me, so there goes your "20+ years of bible brainwashing" theory. Next, I'm not Catholic and know very little about the Catholic church and their teachings, so I'm going to go ahead and say that that particular entity hasn't told me to do a single thing. Hey, look at that. YOur assumptions about me destroyed by just a couple of facts.
Whatever I DO think about abortion (aside: you don't know WHAT I think about it, so please, save yourself the embarassment of telling me my opinions on the subject are wrong, since you know nothing of said opinions), I think based on the research I have done on the topic, from which I drew my own conclusions. My opinions are formed through studying the subject of my own volition. My thoughts have not been recycled from whatever my parents happened to beleive and spoon-fed me. I have never limited my desire to learn about the topic to only reading pro-life propaganda and dismissing anything pro-choice people had to say, or vice versa. And never have I said or even thought that what I think is unquestionably correct and any opinion that differs from mine is therefore wrong. Quite the contrary, I'm more than willing to listen to anyone else's opinion, provided that they're willing to present it in a mature, logical manner, devoid of chilidish and unfounded attacks (i.e. "you're a stupid bitch"). I don't even ask that whomever voices their opinion extend me the same courtesy. I'm not going to dismiss something because it doesn't jibe with my own personal convictions.
You made a statement, I requested that you elaborate, that you back up your statement, in order to give it some form of validity. You couldn't even do -that- properly, which reinforces my belief that you were talking out of your ass and hoping nobody would notice. Had you attempted to put some kind of thought into constructing a half-decent argument, or put even a tiny bit of effort into discussing your opinions like an adult, you would have had some credibility. Since all you could be bothered with was insults and incorrect assumptions, I'm left with no other recourse than to write you off as an immature, closed-minded, ill-informed jackass. And before you get all up in arms, calling me a hypocrite, let me point out that my opinion of you is based on your actions and reactions on this thread, while yours of me was prematurely formed from one simple, innocent question.
Submitted by vergedor (user info) at 2005-02-17 09:35:18 EST (#)
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Avals,
Self-conscoiusness comes very late in development. Usually between 18 and 36 months. There is a lot of research in phsychology on that field. Self-consciousness as you described it is the awareness of oneself as an individual separated from its environment. Babies learn to distinguish themselves from the world, it's not a magical process that happens at a particular moment.
Awareness of the world suffice for me to give nobility status to a baby. Not just self-awareness.
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-02-17 09:03:22 EST (#)
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Thanks for that... the last thing I wanted this lunchtime was to have the memories of the baby I lost and the baby my fiancee and I had to abort due to my poor health dragged up.
I feel fucking guilty enough as it is.
Submitted by r1nce (user info) at 2005-02-17 08:51:49 EST (#)
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I can't believe you're Australian.
And here I was thinking we were a progressive nation.
-2 DIE!
Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2005-02-17 08:28:54 EST (#)
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I usually stay out of these things; but fuck it, it's a about fucking time I joined in!
The argument at the base of this entire pro-choice/pro-life disagreement is when, in fact, does a baby become human and acquire the right to life.
I've seen a lot of arguments that state that because the baby has the potential to become human, that it is immoral to kill it. Of course, this is complete and utter bullshit, because if that's your argument then you can go ahead and outlaw wanking along with abortions.
Now, allow me to present what I think is the absolute necessity for a baby to posess in order to be able to define it as human:
- Self-consciousness.
The ability to feel pain is bullshit, because by the same token killing a 20 year-old man is okay as long as you give him some sedatives first.
Potential, as mentioned, is also a shitty reason, since that would cover so much more than just abortions.
Self-consciousness, it appears to me, is the perfect parameter. Without it, one cannot feel pain; one cannot have hopes, dreams, and ambitions. One cannot be opposed to one's own death, if one is not aware of his existence to begin with.
What's left, then, is to determine at which point a baby acquires self-consciousness. While this may be extremely hard to determine for certain, I believe it is possible to define a developmental stage where the brain and other related organs are simply not developed enough to be capable of self-consciousness.
Submitted by Slighty_Obnoxious (user info) at 2005-02-17 07:23:35 EST (#)
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This definitely fits the topic:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/59821
http://www.ubersite.com/m/59821
http://www.ubersite.com/m/59821
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-17 07:19:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-02-17 07:16:49 (#)
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From my point of view, I don't need an apology. I would just implore you to consider when you post things like this the implications of what you post, and to remember that every argument has many, many sides.
Thank you for the offer, though.
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You may not need it, but i want to give it. I'm going to write one up, because the last thing i wanted to do was cause pain.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-02-17 07:16:49 EST (#)
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From my point of view, I don't need an apology. I would just implore you to consider when you post things like this the implications of what you post, and to remember that every argument has many, many sides.
Thank you for the offer, though.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-02-17 07:14:17 EST (#)
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i agree with you. but how man y times are we going to have abortion/evolution posts? i'm tired of them
well written though.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:56:13 EST (#)
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Vergedor: Finally someone brings up the conscious life argument.
I do not consider it "life" until it is aware, in the same way that I do not consider plants as life despite them being scientifically classified as that. it is more the 'awareness" that I respect than life.
Submitted by vergedor (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:39:29 EST (#)
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Just to let you that I +2 you because you made a valid argumentation, not because I agree with your conclusions. women that decide to abort=whore, and that abortion is murder.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:32:44 EST (#)
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Hmm.. *right-click, copy* ... Hey! How the fuck do I get to 'rate this item' and avoid the pictures??
... Shit. *scroll like a motherfucker* Good God, I actually closed my eyes - here we are..
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:07:39 (#)
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HAHAHAHAHA
+2 Yur a NAZI!!!!!!!!
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Well, I AM of German descent but the nazi thing is probably going a bit far...
Submitted by vergedor (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:32:29 EST (#)
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There is one argument you left out.
The conscious life argument... you somewhat touched on it when you wrote about feeling. In order to feel something, you have to be conscious of it and be able to rembember this event for a short amount of time.
I personnally would agree that my family pull the plug on me if I have no brain activities left and only a living body artificially maintained. I consider myself already dead in this sort of vegetative state.
I think the foetus can be compared to a vegetative state human. One major difference is that the foetus has the POTENTIAL to develop conscious life but has not started it yet. The foetus has no sense of identity yet and no will, dreams or hopes or expectations. It does not process language also. It is not living a conscious life.
I am pretty sure that the baby will start his conscious life inside the body of the mother. Right after his spinal cord and brain has started receiving and sending signals similar to our own brain activity.
I am personnally OK with stopping the development of a foetus before he or she starts her conscious life. To me, it is not a human yet, only a potential human like the zillions of sperm I shoot out of my body every week.
I am not OK with killing an unborn baby after that point, even if the baby was the result of rape or incest because you cannot just kill humans because they are inconvenient right?
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:32:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:15:02 (#)
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Thank you Williamson, it is appreciated.
I hope you understand why I hold the views I do, even if you don't agree with them.
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I'm very willing to just agree to disagree with everyone on this. I am contemplating writing a "sorry" post because of the pictures. I still believe what I've said, but the photos, I admit, were pretty insensitive to women who have miscarried. I didn't think about that before i posted those pics. I'm sorry.
So, if you Stin, and Circe, want me to create a sorry post for the pics, i will. I am sorry for the pictures.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:15:02 EST (#)
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Thank you Williamson, it is appreciated.
I hope you understand why I hold the views I do, even if you don't agree with them.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-17 06:07:39 EST (#)
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HAHAHAHAHA
+2 Yur a NAZI!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:59:15 EST (#)
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Hmm, might check that post again... *scrolling like a motherfucker* ...
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:34:35 (#)
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Why don't you hit the "view all ratings" button then?
Ohh, so that's how you do it, cheers. Sorry, I'm a noob... no, really.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:54:54 EST (#)
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i think photos like these are more than shock value
it's just reality
(even if they are fake, presumably that's pretty much how it looks)
personally though, i think parents should be free to kill their kids at any age.
Submitted by dumbass2345 (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:45:31 EST (#)
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im all for voicing your opinions but attacking people who have abortions is just plain stupid. Sure technically it's murder but it is a woman's choice and in some cases the woman and her partners choice. Ever think that they may not want this child because they feel they would be shite parents and think it was unfair to bring a child into the world that wouldn't get as much love and care as it deserved. What about all those teen mothers you hear about???? If they had their children they might as well jump of a bridge because they are throwing their lives away. You pro-life people make me sick trying to tell people what to do. I'm in the middle people can do what they want if they get pregnant when their 15 and want to throw away their life it's their choice, and if they want to get an abortion thats their choice too. Don't go around telling people what they can and can't do. Nazi
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:34:35 EST (#)
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Why don't you hit the "view all ratings" button then?
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:26:49 EST (#)
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Have to agree with Stin. I hate this post - I have to scroll like a motherfucker to miss the 'pictures' just to see how it's going.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:16:02 EST (#)
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Also, a shameless linkwhore for you.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/56266
That's how I still feel now about the baby I would have aborted. If you think that realising you're having a baby doesn't change you, then you are wrong.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:09:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 21:29:38 (#)
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However, knowing that you would have chosen to kill your own baby, I have lost that respect for you.
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Quite frankly Williamson, I don't think I care to have the respect of someone who can whore out pictures like those for shock value and sensationalism.
Many babies are accidents. Some go on to live happy lives, others are brought up by people who are bitter and resentful of the life that they have lost. I have several friends who have actually had it thrown back in their faces that their parents lives would have been so much better if they hadn't been born.
You are very fortunate that your parents decided to marry and went on to have a relationship strong enough to produce two more children. But not all children are produced by two people equally willing to bear the consequences. It's easy for a man to want to have a say on unborn children. He can up and leave at any time, vanish without a trace and leave the mother and her new child in a position they never wanted and are completely unequipped to cope with.
Let me make a suggestion. How about every father who wanted a mother to carry a child to full term because they feel as strongly as you do against abortion then take that baby from it's mother and raise it as a single father. If YOU are not prepared to do this, then you have no right to tell a woman that she shouldn't have the option to also walk away from a pregnancy. Plenty of men do it - Lojo will tell you all about that if you ask her. She made her choice, and kept her baby. If I had been able to make mine, then I would not have done so. I have no qualms about that at all.
I consider it equally as well taking responsibility for your actions to end a pregnancy which is not going to produce the wonderful, happy scenario yours did as it is to carry for 9 months a baby which you are not in a position in your own head to deal with. I personally had a lot of mental health problems at that time, and went on to have a nervous breakdown, self-harm and try to kill myself. What would the implications of my actions have been on my childs life? I would not have been able to provide a stable homelife for that young person, and I feel as strongly now that I would not bring a child into that situation as I did then.
You pulled up my point about social demographics and whether there is "some magical formula from which you mathematically deduce which babies have enough potential for a good life to live, and a bad one to die". All I am doing is pulling sociological and demographical statistics, findings and hypotheses and putting them together into a coherent argument. You cannot argue that crime is more prevalent amongst the poor. It's statistically proven. Applying the same techniques shows a strong correlation between the working class and young single parents. Those people are in no position to support a baby, and in fact, many only have one to shift themselves up the social security priority list. Sad, but true. That to me is not a good reason to have a baby.
I have friends who also got pregnant at young ages. One kept her baby. It was all she ever wanted out of life, she loves her family to death and is a very successful single mother. One kept the baby because her boyfriend didn't want her to abort and now lives every day with a feeling of futility because she feels she could have done more with her life. One was forced by the arsehole she was with to have an abortion, because he did not want to deal with the consequences. She wanted to keep the baby, but she also loved him. It tore her apart having the abortion, and all because of a boy (I can't call him a man) who didn't want to deal with the demands that would have been placed on his life.
I am pleased to hear that you would take personal responsibility for your actions, bite the bullet and support the mother of your child. Sadly, there are too many men who are not prepared to do the same to allow you to make the blanket statement the women should never abort. This is issue is not about the rights and the wrongs of abortion, but about the rights of people - women AND couples - to choose what is right for them. Within the confines of the law, you make your own morality, and let me make mine.
It's very easy to be black and white about this issue, but the shades of grey are infinite and complex.
Submitted by Drelic73 (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:05:58 EST (#)
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I agree with all that go life for all babies shit....but damn, do you really want more little fucking kids running around eating up all us adults money, food, drink, and time...Noooo! well there is a solution ......
The fabulous baby blender.
This way you not only get rid of that disgusting annoying little potential shit machine, but you also have a yummy infant milkshake to satisfy your hunger. FIGHT THE POWER! G out
Submitted by Shagabah_Jones (user info) at 2005-02-17 05:03:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by Mitchapalooza (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:49:42 (#)
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Submitted by Shagabah_Jones (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:41:52 (#)
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whats the difrence between an abortion and taking a new born and repatedly slamming its head with a car door?
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with an abortion, you don't have to mess up your car.
Now that's the punch I was looking for.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:54:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by Mitchapalooza (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:49:42 (#)
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Submitted by Shagabah_Jones (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:41:52 (#)
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whats the difrence between an abortion and taking a new born and repatedly slamming its head with a car door?
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with an abortion, you don't have to mess up your car.
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Hahahahaha
Submitted by Mitchapalooza (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:49:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by Shagabah_Jones (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:41:52 (#)
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whats the difrence between an abortion and taking a new born and repatedly slamming its head with a car door?
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with an abortion, you don't have to mess up your car.
Submitted by Shagabah_Jones (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:41:52 EST (#)
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whats the difrence between an abortion and taking a new born and repatedly slamming its head with a car door?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:38:25 EST (#)
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ANd I'm not getting into this argument. I will agree to disagree with the rest of yous guys.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:37:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-02-16 08:53:43 (#)
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If women were smart enough not to breed with people like you, this kind of ignorant attitude would go away in a single generation.
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If women were smart enough to accept responsibility for getting pregnant, your ignorant attitude would disappeat in a single generation.
(blah blah make exceptions for rape, incest, and medical conditions, blah blah)
Stand up for your rights! Make a choice to be responsible!
Submitted by Mitchapalooza (user info) at 2005-02-17 04:22:30 EST (#)
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Seeing as that's your picture up there (the pimple faced, hair-gelled upper middleclass 16 year old white aryan boy)... that actually explains a lot about your stance on the issue.
I want to apologize for taking you seriously, you're obviously way too young to know what the hell you're talking about. Sorry, we should all have ignored you.
Also, since you know those pics are fake (which they are) you should really get rid of them.
If you've been around for any amount of time on the planet, you know abortions look nothing like that.
You probably got those from either a christian website or alJazeeraTV.
Either way, the terrorists have already won.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-02-17 02:04:56 EST (#)
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You little shit.
I hope you are never faced with a real issue like this in our own life. You wouldn't be so quick to judge then.
Is this what you would do to a friend or family member who was facing this decision? Doubtful.
Next time, think before you do something. No one wants to see shit like this. Do you think that a person who has to deal with an abortion isn't scarred for the rest of their life? You think it is honestly just as easy as getting a little piece of you vaccuumed out and then it's back to their old whoring ways?
Fucking grow up you sack of curdled monkey sperm.
Submitted by project_nessa (user info) at 2005-02-17 01:53:06 EST (#)
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Since I disagree with abortion: YOU SHOULD'VE BEEN SWALLOWED!
Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2005-02-17 00:34:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:37:19 (#)
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I truly am sorry that i caused pain. I felt sick putting these pics together, but showing pro-choicers the consequences of abortion is sometimes the only way.
Once again, I'm so sorry to hurt your feelings. Please, I hope you can forgive me. I'm sorry.
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That is the most blind apology I think I've ever heard. If you feel so fucking sick looking at the pictures and putting them together, maybe you should THINK about the effect and do some fucking research on what an actual abortion is like, not this fucking propoganda. It has shit to do with showing the consequences of actions and everything to do with shock value, you fucking asshole.
And if you did actually feel anything like remorse, which I suspect you didn't? Maybe you should fucking consider the fact that people don't go into an abortion and make the choice gleefully or simply.
You fucking asshole.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-17 00:12:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheScaryGuy11 (user info) at 2005-02-16 23:04:51 (#)
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2) It's Murder! You know that thing you do to your babies?
So when a woman's body naturally aborts a child she's still a murderer right?
Williamson, if you're a man fact of the matter is your opinion really doesn't matter anyways. Its the woman's body and by law, its not human til the sucker comes out.
As for your pictures, hopefully they were all used for their stems cells. So that when I get cancer I'll be able to prolong my life through a new science.
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When has death by natural causes ever been murder?
Yes, i am a man, that's my pic up there (the one i would abort).
Perhaps by law it is the woman's body, but reality is different (I'm not sure of yankee laws on the matter).
As for stem-cell research; should children really be killed for this?
Submitted by TheScaryGuy11 (user info) at 2005-02-16 23:04:51 EST (#)
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2) It's Murder! You know that thing you do to your babies?
So when a woman's body naturally aborts a child she's still a murderer right?
Williamson, if you're a man fact of the matter is your opinion really doesn't matter anyways. Its the woman's body and by law, its not human til the sucker comes out.
As for your pictures, hopefully they were all used for their stems cells. So that when I get cancer I'll be able to prolong my life through a new science.
Submitted by Rokinroj (user info) at 2005-02-16 23:02:49 EST (#)
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God how many times has this been done now?
And much better I might add.
Some of those pics are fake anyway.
Rokinroj
Submitted by Shizae (user info) at 2005-02-16 22:45:36 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2005-02-16 22:16:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:19:29 (#)
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Pro-Lifers are last to adopt? Hahaha! Oh man, yea.. I'm sure those Pro-Choice people love adoption! It's obvious they love kids!
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Riiiiiight... because people who believe in the right to choose obviously MUST hate kids. It makes it so much easier to paint people who disagree with you as heartless monsters doesn't it? Hey, didn't Hitler do that with the Jews? It worked for him, must've been a pretty good plan.
I am pro-choice. Does that mean I don't like kids? Hello no! I love kids. I'm the first to offer to babysit, the first to play with kids at friends' houses, the first to beg to hold a newborn baby. I think kids are great.
I got pregnant accidently. I kept my son. Because I had the choice to make, and I made the one I decided was right for me.
I, personally, think abortion is icky and would never have one. But that has nothing to do with anything. I respect the fact that what is right for me is not always right for everyone else on the planet. Weird, huh? I know people who think smoking is icky. Does that mean they have the right to tell me I can't smoke? Hell no! Because I have the choice to make. It's mine, and no one else's.
Submitted by Wazza (user info) at 2005-02-16 22:15:11 EST (#)
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I really dont know why everyone is getting so pissed about the pictures.
Maybe you have trouble facing reality.
Submitted by Freakmagnet (user info) at 2005-02-16 22:13:04 EST (#)
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I hate the people that responded by calling you a retard, if you disagree at least say why.
Submitted by gob_bluth (user info) at 2005-02-16 21:55:12 EST (#)
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Your right lets put woman in cages, fuck it
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 21:48:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by gob_bluth (user info) at 2005-02-16 21:41:35 (#)
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Thats like me posting a bunch of dead Iraqii kids you fucking asshole. Your pro-fucking war and you don't care about those deaths from full-grown rational humans. Those fetus's can't think yet, alot less than a full grown deer can think. Are you against hunting? Fuck no your not!
You fucking bible morons love to kill shit: I don't even know why you care
Obviously no one likes that fetus's die
-but its better than that baby having an unfit life
I'm done your a fucking ass
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What the fuck? I'm not pro-war. I hate Bush, and his war in Iraq. Read the first fucking paragraph!
I am not christian either. Don't assume that just beause i agree with the catholics on this one, I'm a bloody religious zealot.
Deer aren't human. And there are people with diseases that have less mental capacity than deer. Do we kill them too? Dumbarse.
Submitted by KingHFB (user info) at 2005-02-16 21:46:24 EST (#)
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goddamn it im never eating italian again
Submitted by gob_bluth (user info) at 2005-02-16 21:41:35 EST (#)
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Thats like me posting a bunch of dead Iraqii kids you fucking asshole. Your pro-fucking war and you don't care about those deaths from full-grown rational humans. Those fetus's can't think yet, alot less than a full grown deer can think. Are you against hunting? Fuck no your not!
You fucking bible morons love to kill shit: I don't even know why you care
Obviously no one likes that fetus's die
-but its better than that baby having an unfit life
I'm done your a fucking ass
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 21:29:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-11-06 08:50:35 (#)
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Just to add my tuppence-worth to this debate.
A lot of people have spoken about the potential of the foetus to become a person, life a long and fulfilling life etc. etc.
However, the foetus has not yet started that life, and although there is the potential for that, there is also the potential for it to be born unwanted and unloved, to be beaten and abused, abandoned because its mother was unready for the commitment. It was the potential to grow up one messed-up kid who will turn to crime, violence, suicide.... the options are endless.
It would be lovely if every child grew up in a loving home to go on and get married, have 2.4 children of its own and become the model citizen. But children of young, single parents (as is often the case in accidents - but not always) are usually those who have behavioural difficulties, who go on to get involved in petty crime and the like.
I'm NOT saying that this is every case. Lojo, I'm particularly aiming that last statement at you.
But it is all a question of potential. Yes the foetus has potential. But what of the potential of the mother? What if she did everything possible (with the exception of not having sex) to prevent pregnancy? Is it fair to take away established potential, a life with probability rather than possibility, because of an accident? Stop a bright young girl from pursuing her potential for the sake of a foetus she did not want at that time, has no means to support, is unable to provide the lifestyle for at that time in her own life?
I don't think so.
I became pregnant at 17. It was an accident, I was on the Pill and using condoms. Heaven only knows what went wrong, but I became pregnant. Because I have never had nice, regular periods I didn't realise for some considerable time that I was pregnant at all. When I did, it was so late in the term that they would not have aborted unless for medical reasons.
I miscarried the baby at 24 weeks. By that time she was a baby, not a foetus - to me. She had arms and legs and fingers and dammit, I loved her. But had I known early enough in the pregnancy, I would have had an abortion. I was 17 years old, in the middle of exams and university applications, I had my whole life in front of me. Would I have been a good mother at that point in time? Maybe. Would I be a better mother when I was married, had a good job, money behind me and life experience? Undoubtedly.
I stand by a womans right to choose based on what is appropriate to her at that time. I do not advocate abortion as a means of primary birth control. I believe in the potential of a life already happening, rather than a life about to start. But that's my view, everyone else is entitled to their own. I'm not trying to convert, just sharing a different perspective.
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I gave birth to a baby that looked like those pictures. Don't you dare tell me how to think, until you've been there and you understand it, arsehole. My, don't you know a lot about the world at 18?
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My mother was pregnant with me at 18, with a man she had only known for 2 months (Yes, uber, I am an accident). She had no family here in Australia (nor anyone worthy of being called "family" anywhere) and with a baby, no viable means by which to support it (me). My mother told my father about me, and fortunately he took responsibility for his actions and stayed on and supported me. They became married when i was one and had two more children together.
My mother had decided that if dad had not chosen to support me, she would have kept me anyway. She had no source of income (except for a job at a florist which she had to quit due to being pregnant), and no money in the banks being a mere 18 years old.
As that feotus, I had no say in the matter, however looking back, I would have chosen to live without a father and born into poverty. Killing yourself because your life sucks is absolutely stupid. Killing someone else because you assume theirs will be too, is even more.
She too, was using protection. But it failed, and she took responsibility for her actions. People must understand that Sex = Children. Sex + Contraception = Lesser chance of Children, but children nonetheless.
Back in the old days, people used to abstain from sex so as to not bring about children (not always the case, but moreso than today). We've all had sex here, and if i learnt I had impregnated a girl, I would bite the bullet and take some damn responsibility for MY actions.
Also, relating to one of your points, there is a potential for a poor life for a baby of a single-mother. But there is potential for a poor life from every demographic from every circumstance. Is there some magical formula from which you mathematically deduce which babies have enough potential for a good life to live, and a bad one to die?
One of my good friend's mother was pregnant when she was 15. Not only that, she had another baby one year later. Don't you think this hampered the woman's chances of success in the future? Yes, of course. But she chose to keep her babies and to not simply throw them out. And for that i respect her.
However, knowing that you would have chosen to kill your own baby, I have lost that respect for you.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:30:28 EST (#)
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Read my reply about potential, Williamson. And then think about it, open your mind a little.
On a side note, why are most of the abortion threads started by men?
Submitted by Professional_Peon (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:24:52 EST (#)
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Women who have abortions should be fixed so they can never become pregnant again. That way they don't have to worry about making the same mistake twice!
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That would be fine by me, but don't forget about the men that helped too.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:24:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by Ballskid43 (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:07:18 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:45:48 (#)
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Submitted by Ballskid43 (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:20:27 (#)
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dont like abortions? dont have one
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Don't like murders? Don't do it.
But still punish those that do.
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That's a horrible counterattack. Yeah, so murdering a 30-year-old man is equivalent to having an abortion? Fuck you!
Most women do not have abortions because they just dont feel like having a child; Most women have an abortion because they cannot support the child. Overpopulation will be a problem in the future and your thought is to populate the world with unwanted children. Parents who are FORCED to have children will be lousy mothers and their offspring will not be successful when they grow up. Knowing that you are a repulican, I bet you would be very unhappy giving your tax money to people who were unwanted children and can't support themselves.
THINK ABOUT THAT
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I'M A REPUBLICAN?! What utter bullshit!
I am ALL for giving money to the under-privelaged within our nations (read my first paragrph, jackarse which said i hate Bush and I'm a socialist.)
And no woman is FORCED. They all have the choice to bring up the baby. They choose not to. They CHOOSE aborting is easier for them and better for the child.
But I, for one, would much rather be given the chance to live, than be killed because mummy thinks my life's gonna suck.
And yes, killing a 30 year old is the same as killing a 29 year old, a 28 year old, a newborn and a baby within the womb. Development of a human is not it's measure of worth.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:21:33 EST (#)
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I don't argue "politics" with Uberites, average of 19.7 years of age.
So shut your fucking mouth.
Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:19:29 EST (#)
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Pro-Lifers are last to adopt? Hahaha! Oh man, yea.. I'm sure those Pro-Choice people love adoption! It's obvious they love kids!
I guess all pro-choice people don't believe in religion then? Or do you just believe what Science claims when it fits your choice of lifestyle best? "But science said they can't feel anything so it's ok to kill them." But science.. boy they sure blew it on the theory of evolution right?
Since when does whether or not someone feels pain have to do with whether murder is right or wrong? "Yea officer I killed that family of seven.. but I gassed them, so they never felt a thing!" Yea.. screw the fact that their relatives have to deal with the pain of losing them. But wait you say.. only the woman with the child they choose to abort have to feel sad about killing the child? Oh right.. I forgot that even if the guy wants it, he doesn't get a choice.
Women who have abortions should be fixed so they can never become pregnant again. That way they don't have to worry about making the same mistake twice!
Submitted by Professional_Peon (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:09:46 EST (#)
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"Pro-lifer's first to complain - last to adopt."
Submitted by Professional_Peon (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:09:09 EST (#)
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This post is the worst I've ever seen. Now that I've said that you should know that you are a complete tool. Being Pro-Choice has nothing to do with approving of abortions, it has to do with a woman's right to chose what happens to her own body.
You talk like Pro-Choicers use abortion as a means of contraception. I personally have never met someone like that. Your points have no validity and those photos are completely uncalled for. This is completely disgusting and I hope you get banned for upsetting the girls with those pictures. Show this to your mother, I'm sure she will be really proud of you.
And just to show how uneducated you are:
"So painless murder is ok, is it? So I can go around and gas people as long as they don't feel it?"
Try that on your friends and family and let us know if they appeared to be in pain. Idiot.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:08:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2005-02-16 09:27:19 (#)
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Rabbits will abort their unborn if they deem themselves unwell or in conditions that are unfit to raise young. It is a concious act. If a mere animal has that choice, that right, why should not a human? we are animals, too.
6 billion of us and growing. Not enough people will volunteer to adopt. Choice.
Oh yeah, and fuck you for using the outdated and BANNED method of abortion as a signpost for your issue. Too many people believe that is what they will see. What about the pills?
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Animals sometmes choose to eat their mates too. My dog eats it's feces. What's your point?
And I will agree, some of these pics may be from illegal types of abortions. In all honesty, i didn't want to look at these pics too long.
Once again: These pics are only here so pro-choicers can see the consequences of their actions. Maybe not all the pics are entirely accurate, but the basic message is there. I, personally, don't really want to look into it. Abortion disgusts me to no end.
Submitted by Ballskid43 (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:07:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:45:48 (#)
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Submitted by Ballskid43 (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:20:27 (#)
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dont like abortions? dont have one
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Don't like murders? Don't do it.
But still punish those that do.
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That's a horrible counterattack. Yeah, so murdering a 30-year-old man is equivalent to having an abortion? Fuck you!
Most women do not have abortions because they just dont feel like having a child; Most women have an abortion because they cannot support the child. Overpopulation will be a problem in the future and your thought is to populate the world with unwanted children. Parents who are FORCED to have children will be lousy mothers and their offspring will not be successful when they grow up. Knowing that you are a repulican, I bet you would be very unhappy giving your tax money to people who were unwanted children and can't support themselves.
THINK ABOUT THAT
Submitted by Ed_0150 (user info) at 2005-02-16 20:00:30 EST (#)
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You need to die... you really do.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:52:06 EST (#)
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none of those pictures have been verified as to what point the 'abortion' took place (in quotes because they're more likely miscarriages that have been mislabeled for propaganda purposes)
all you did was list a bunch of generic pro choice opinions and rehash a bunch of generic pro life opinions
and you did it poorly, because it's clear that you have no inclination towards proper argumentation, because if you did you wouldn't commit fallacies every other sentence
Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:50:09 EST (#)
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Abortions should be illegal. Any woman who has an abortion carried out should be tried for murder, as should the person who performed the abortion.
Apparently some women think that since guys don't have to worry about the consequences of sexual activity, then neither should they. Well bull-fucking shit.
Hey, don't want to get pregnant? Then don't have sex you dumb fucks. If you're going to whore yourselves out to a bunch of guys so that you can convince yourself you're still attractive, don't go fucking complaining when you find out you got pregnant.
GUYS CAN'T GET PREGNANT. Fuck, how hard is that to understand? WOMEN KNOW THEY CAN GET PREGNANT. If you think you are responsible enough to have sex, you better be damn well sure you can handle the responsibility of raising a child. Frankly I'd like to see every woman that has had to abortion to have her limbs cut off one by one. Who the fuck do you think you are to decide if a person should live or die? Tell yourself whatever the fuck you want, try to convince yourself that the child you just killed wasn't an actual human being.
You pieces of shit would cry your eyes out if you read in the news that someone went along and slaughtered hordes of unborn dogs or cats, yet you don't give a fuck that hordes of children die the same way. You're trash.. plain and simple.
I've got a great idea. Any woman who wants to get an abortion should have two options.
1. Be allowed to get the abortion, but since it was you that fucked up, you are killed as well.
2. Not be allowed to have an abortion.
I think it'd be great if your parents one day decided to slice your heads off. I'm sure they meant to have abortion after all, they just never got around to it.. until now.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:45:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by Ballskid43 (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:20:27 (#)
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dont like abortions? dont have one
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Don't like murders? Don't do it.
But still punish those that do.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:43:09 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Glam_Daddy2 (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:42:44 EST (#)
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have another -2
and re read this in case you missed it:
sorry to break it to you, but abortions don't look anything like that, you stupid dipshit. it's more like a tablespoon of blood. if you want to call extracting a cluster of cells murder, i don't know what to tell you. abortions that actually do look like that have been outlawed, so stop with the fetal porn. it doesn't help your close-minded case.
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:37:19 EST (#)
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2005-02-16 12:20:54 (#)
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Your respect for human life is apparent in those pictures. The fact that you can stare at dead babies for long enough to photoshop them into a picture says a lot to me about the kind of man you're not.
I had a son at 26 weeks. Little darlin' looked a lot like that. Not the ones in pieces, the other ones.
Fuck you for making me feel.
Fuck you for DARING to attach something like that to an ill informed, badly written, piece of shit rant like this.
Who the fuck do you think you are? I don't care about your illogical arguments or your self contradictory statements.
I care about the fact that I clicked on this, took the time to read it, and was suddenly confronted with images of the dead son I held onto for THREE FUCKING DAYS because I kept seeing him move.
Fuck you, and fuck you, and fuck you.
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I truly am sorry that i caused pain. I felt sick putting these pics together, but showing pro-choicers the consequences of abortion is sometimes the only way.
Once again, I'm so sorry to hurt your feelings. Please, I hope you can forgive me. I'm sorry.
Submitted by Ballskid43 (user info) at 2005-02-16 19:20:27 EST (#)
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dont like abortions? dont have one
Submitted by TenYears_Gone (user info) at 2005-02-16 18:44:32 EST (#)
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You made some good points... but I think the pictures were a bit unnecessary. It may just be me, though.
Submitted by Girlwithaclue (user info) at 2005-02-16 18:30:10 EST (#)
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Go fuck yourself you sick bastard
Submitted by Mr.JackassFrost (user info) at 2005-02-16 18:03:51 EST (#)
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I'm only writing this to be the 100th review on this post.
And for that fact I shall not put a rating.
Submitted by tinactin (user info) at 2005-02-16 17:52:42 EST (#)
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Man there are people out there who are suckers for any abortion debate
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-16 17:37:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by epiphany (user info) at 2005-02-16 16:37:47 (#)
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This guy is a heat whore. Hes obviously upset that his mother was pro-choice and the coast hanger was too short.
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Totally honest with you; this ain't for heat (although i must admit, i knew it would get some). I believe in everything i said here (except i should have probably added that men have responsibiity too. But that's not the point of the post.).
As for my mother being pro-choice; she was 19 when she had me. So, a lot of people would have said it's alright just to kill me. Unfortunately yes, that coat-hanger was too short cause i survived to tell you all not to murder babies
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2005-02-16 17:35:53 EST (#)
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I seriously think China has taken care of the whole birth issue quite well.
Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2005-02-16 17:34:20 EST (#)
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*sigh*
You can refer back to my arguments on any of the previous semi-worthwhile abortion posts for responses to this dreck. It's presented as hyper-antagonistic, and the pictures are wholly uncalled for.
What I will say to you is the following.
1. NO ONE IS PRO-ABORTION. No one thinks abortions are a good thing. The people who do are sick extremists. No one says that every fetus should be aborted, no one says that everyone should have to have an abortion. Anti-abortion? Fine! DON'T HAVE ONE. And furthermore, anyone being all "you all want to kill children up to the third trimester! SO WRONG!" is being blind and idiotic, because I don't think you'll find anyone who thinks late term abortions are okay.
2. The problem with outlawing abortion is two-fold. First, it's going to happen. It's been happening since more or less forever, and will continue to, because people who get desperate enough WILL find a way. That means it's a public safety issue, not a moral issue. If you want to take a callous approach to it and go by sheer numbers, think about what it will cost the healthcare system to care for the reconstructive or reparitive surgery and recovery treatments for a woman who had her fetus gouged out of her uterus with a coat hanger in a non-sterile field, OR of having the unwanted child instead be dumped into the already burgeoning welfare system OR having a woman give birth to an unwanted child and dumping it in a trash can which the police then need to deal with dedicate money and manhours to, any of all of these versus the cost of properly aborting the fetus. It does not make financial sense.
2b. Secondly, you have to consider the larger ramifications of abortion being illegal. What that does is start you down a slippery slope where the government can legislate the inside of your body. Now I don't know about you, but I don't like where the government is NOW, and I sure as shit don't want them inventorying (sp?) my internal organs and deciding what I can and can't do with them. And then BEYOND that, it would all but force stagnation on any kind of research involving internal organs, including regeneration studies, cloning, improvement of grafting technology, stem cell research, or pretty much anything else useful, because the government would have control over use of tissues inside the body, and would have to approve or disapprove any research...which means basically that in all of these areas of medicine and probably a shitload that I haven't thought of, privately funded research, which is 9 times out of 10 more effective and speedy by far and away, is done for. And that's just the start.
3. Shit DOES happen, you're right. Like rape. And incest. And tubal pregancies. And if you make abortion illegal, the ONLY option people in cases like that will have is dangerous and unsanitary. Again, public safety issue.
4. The government's job is not to legislate morality. It's fucking stupid to try and do everything for everyone so that they never are ABLE to do anything wrong. People do bad stuff. They repent or they change or they RUN UP AGAINST THE LEGAL SYSTEM. Get someone to prove abortion is murder, biologically, and change the law.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-16 17:31:28 EST (#)
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wow haven't heard this refutable nonsense a thousand times before
Submitted by Tigre (user info) at 2005-02-16 16:58:29 EST (#)
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meh.
Submitted by the_lone_stranger (user info) at 2005-02-16 16:47:53 EST (#)
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Hmmmm...it all looks so good.
Can I see the dinner menu?
Submitted by epiphany (user info) at 2005-02-16 16:37:47 EST (#)
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This guy