Okay is THIS Metal!? For all "metal" fans. An apology in metal (1232 hits)
Category: Sound & MusicRating: 0.53 on 73 reviews (Rate this item) (V)
Submitted by Timmah http://www.thesebloodyhands.co.uk (View user info) at 2005-02-24 21:08:39 EST
Well I've been here a while now and apart from one post which unfortunately I could never follow through with, I haven't really done anything mentioning the band I play in. I've always tried to keep as much about me as a person away from Uber and maybe that's why most people say "Timmah who?" when my name is mentioned. So this post is nothing more than a crappy link to some of our tracks. Mainly for feedback as to what the Metal fans of uber think of it. On my last post a lot of people insinuated that I don't know what metal is. So these tracks are for them especially.
The three tracks are from our ep which is ready to be released for April 1st. The ep is self titled and has seven tracks.
1: Back down
2: Illusions burn (*)
3: Glory of nothing (*)
4: S.T.R
5: Shadows from the past
6: Fear
7: Blood runs cold (*)
A lot of people have called us Metalcore but the whole genre thing in general annoys the fuck out of me. If we were to class it anything I'd call it hardcore. Not to the extent of agnostic front or madball but more throw down or Stampin Ground. ALthough I like to think of it as "Stompcore". Haha
Anyway have a listen, tell me what you think and rate accordingly.
http://www.mp3unsigned.com/showmp3.asp?mp3ID=9527&aid=4380
Tim
User Reviews
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2005-02-27 03:52:55 EST (#)
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Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-26 03:32:22 (#)
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Raining blood? Breakdowns? Sorry but I'm trying very hard to remember any breakdowns in raining blood and failing horribly.
I think orphaned land are one of the most original bands of 04. I had one of their tracks ona metal hammer cd and was listening to it for weeks. I'm quite into a band called diecast as well but they're pretty much straight forward metalcore.
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I was actually going to ask you about Diecast. I'm not really into hardcore, but I bought their Day of Reckoning (I think that's what it's called) album and thought it was pretty damn good. Singled Out, being almost too catchy, is really fun to sing the chorus to. Orphaned Land surprised the hell out of me. Ocean Land is my favorite song of 2004.
And in response to DMD, Orphaned Land aren't preachy. The story of Mabool is actually an amalgamation of many different religious stories, not just Christianity's version. No where in the album does it tell you to worship God or you'll be damned, blah blah blah. It's just a cool story and one hell of an original album.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-02-26 03:59:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:29:29 (#)
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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:25:14 (#)
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sounds like typical metalcore to me; half-yell half-growl vocals, downtuned guitars playing simplistic chugging riffs dragged through a million distortions
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Ahahahahahaha. This is coming from someone named death metal dude. What inspired changes have been made in death metal recently? oh that's right NONE!
Only two or three effects ever used on guitars. And the guitar riffs may be simplistic but the guitarists themselves are very very talented.
The whole point in HARDCORE is simplicity.
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You shoulda heard this band I was in a few years ago. We called it "death metal" but I think there is a more appropriate label for our band.
Progressive Death Metal.
Distortion
Doublebass kicker (used tastefully, of course)
Fully growling "singing"
Anri-social lyrics.
But here's the twist-----
Highly complex song structure, split keys, alternating time signitures, technical proficiency required.
Hardcore does not equal simple.
Nice song, anyway.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-26 03:32:22 EST (#)
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Raining blood? Breakdowns? Sorry but I'm trying very hard to remember any breakdowns in raining blood and failing horribly.
I think orphaned land are one of the most original bands of 04. I had one of their tracks ona metal hammer cd and was listening to it for weeks. I'm quite into a band called diecast as well but they're pretty much straight forward metalcore.
Submitted by Feijuada (user info) at 2005-02-25 20:50:13 EST (#)
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The God-damned thing wouldn't load.
Submitted by KillWomen (user info) at 2005-02-25 20:45:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:42:26 (#)
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We are hardcore. I've already said that. Hardcore isn't just music but a view point. It's about unity, strength and standing up for what you believe in.
We take a hardcore stance on metal. We're not that hardcore when it comes to musical style. We've been compared to so many bands and pretty much none of them have been hardcore.
The only thing hardcore about our music is the breakdowns.
We are a hardcore metal band. Not a metalcore band. Happy now? Now kindly get away from my post.
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Weren't breakdowns a metal thing first? Raining Blood, anyone?
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-25 20:25:31 EST (#)
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Orphaned Land is too Christian and preachy for me
Submitted by StonedSilly (user info) at 2005-02-25 20:12:17 EST (#)
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Frankly, Tim, I like the unpolished, imperfect sound you guys have. I don't think it could get any better, really. If you were to have clean, flawless sound and precise timing, you'd sound exactly like several other bands that -did- make it big.
Just practice, and keep on playing as well as you do.
Submitted by Can_Always_Trust_A_Liar (user info) at 2005-02-25 20:09:16 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
I'm more into Thrash Metal myself, so this wasn't really my kind of music. It sounded okay, but something about the drumming was bothering me.
I'm not gonna pretend I know a lot about music, but it seemed kind of dull. Maybe it's just the recording, but it needs more some more power and energy behind it. Also, you could use something different to set you apart from "all the rest." I'm not talking about a gimmick or anything, just a unique little flavor.
Whatever, that's my input.
Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2005-02-25 20:00:26 EST (#)
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nothing SCREAMS METAL!!!! like........
marvin gaye.
oh.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-02-25 19:50:03 EST (#)
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DL Iced Earth's version of Hallowed Be Thy Name, by Iron Maiden.
Fucking rocks.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2005-02-25 18:16:08 EST (#)
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Hehe, this is fun. People really take this too seriously. At the end of the arguments it's still just music. Unless it's rap. If I had broadband at home, I'd check your music out.
Also, while I agree that straight death metal has been stagnant for years, there are bands moving forward, using death metal as part of their foundation. Opeth has been gaining quite a bit of exposure lately, but they've been doing their own brand of progressive death metal since 1991. Dark Suns can also be added to the growing list of bands experimenting with fusing death metal and progressive rock/acoustic mellowness. In 2004, the most innovative band I discovered was Orphaned Land. Taking elements of death and classic metal, blending it with mid-eastern instruments and musical styles and displaying a maturity and sophistication much akin to Opeth, Orphaned Land really surprised me. The band hails from Israel, and they really need more exposure. One of the best bands that no one has ever heard of.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2005-02-25 09:54:54 EST (#)
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NEW MILLENIUM, TRIBAL WAR! NEW MILLENIUM, TRIBAL WARRRRRRRRRRR!
That's Soulfly, for those who don't know.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 09:45:57 EST (#)
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Way to turn my post into a storm of shit flinging. Oh wait. It was that anyway
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-25 09:31:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:12:59 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:11:42 (#)
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Cookie, I am sorry about being a dick to you.
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you WOULD think that my response to you has something to do with what you said on my post. I could give a shit what a person like you thinks about me. This was all about you making unoriginal, horrid, processed "music" and trying to shit all over someone who actually has some creativity of his own. Do us all a favour and take a long walk off a short pier.
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Cookie, I don't think your jabs have something to do with me being a dick to you on your post, I KNOW it has something to do with it. Your reviews of my "unoriginal, horrid, processed 'music'" were nothing but favorable on my posts. That's not to say you don't have somewhat of a point. I haven't shown ubersite much original material... The reason for this is I know that the quality of the recordings of most of my music is crap. It's all demos. Why should I put all that up here to have it just torn apart for the sound quality?
I tried to be honest to Tim and tell him some things that I've learned from personal experience in recording to maybe help him out some in the future. I wasn't trying to be negative. I tried to be as helpful as I could; I gave him a +2 and praised him for posting music - but I'm NOT going to blow smoke up his ass and tell him that there aren't some problems with the recording that need to be worked out. That would be a greater injustice to him than if I left well enough alone and said, "Great Job! +2!"
There were plenty of other people on this post who were far less kind than I, but you focus on me BECAUSE I was a dick to you, so, again, I'm sorry.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2005-02-25 07:22:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:51:08 (#)
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Only we aren't metalcore. There is a difference between hardcore metal and metalcore.
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Riiiiiiiiiight... WTF??!!! Ritchie-Fucking-Blackmore's-Rainbow - get a grip Sunshine. Pidgeon-
holing is wrong ('cept for ameri-cunts, remember peoples, there's ALWAYS an anomaly) - being completely fucking anal is... well, ghey.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:42:26 EST (#)
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We are hardcore. I've already said that. Hardcore isn't just music but a view point. It's about unity, strength and standing up for what you believe in.
We take a hardcore stance on metal. We're not that hardcore when it comes to musical style. We've been compared to so many bands and pretty much none of them have been hardcore.
The only thing hardcore about our music is the breakdowns.
We are a hardcore metal band. Not a metalcore band. Happy now? Now kindly get away from my post.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:33:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by HappyHappyJoyJoi (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:23:36 (#)
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Contrary to what other people have said, I don't think that this is metalcore. Maybe I haven't heard much from that genre, but I expected your song to have the same old cliched, happy dual guitar melodies and terrible clean singing. The song has neither; however, PUT SOME MELODY INTO IT. Constant chugging gets extremely boring.
Even though it wouldn't fit the style of your band, I think you should inject some of your culture into your songwriting. I can't think of really excellent examples now, but the two that come to mind are Forefather and Lykathea Aflame.
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Thankyou! If you were to hear our newer stuff (those songs are now nearly 7 months old) you'd agree that there is more melody. We've been working in alot of off key harmonies and mis chords and stuff. It's definately taking a more original path. May not be ground breaking stuff, but it's definately a step in the right direction. I'll post links to that once we have it recorded
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:24:01 EST (#)
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haha copout
metalcore is a ripoff genre, and when I ask you to differentiate between it and your band, you say you won't argue anymore
you didn't ask for constructive criticism: "tell me what you think"
I never said anything about 'worth,' I only described it in terms of better and worse.
Submitted by HappyHappyJoyJoi (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:23:36 EST (#)
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Contrary to what other people have said, I don't think that this is metalcore. Maybe I haven't heard much from that genre, but I expected your song to have the same old cliched, happy dual guitar melodies and terrible clean singing. The song has neither; however, PUT SOME MELODY INTO IT. Constant chugging gets extremely boring.
Even though it wouldn't fit the style of your band, I think you should inject some of your culture into your songwriting. I can't think of really excellent examples now, but the two that come to mind are Forefather and Lykathea Aflame.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:15:42 EST (#)
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I'm not arguing with you anymore DMD. You've already questioned my integrity as a musician implying that what we do isn't as worthy as what you listen to. That's elitist. I asked for contructive critisism and you've done nothing but belittle me, so fuck you.
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:12:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:11:42 (#)
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Cookie, I am sorry about being a dick to you.
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you WOULD think that my response to you has something to do with what you said on my post. I could give a shit what a person like you thinks about me. This was all about you making unoriginal, horrid, processed "music" and trying to shit all over someone who actually has some creativity of his own. Do us all a favour and take a long walk off a short pier.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-25 01:11:53 EST (#)
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What makes you 'hardcore metal' as opposed to metalcore?
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:51:08 EST (#)
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Only we aren't metalcore. There is a difference between hardcore metal and metalcore.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:48:06 EST (#)
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"Hardcore bands just don't have the integrity that metal bands do. Metal gave birth to metal. Hardcore gave birth to hardcore as well, but then it became a transvestite called metalcore, and much like transvestites themselves, it's not a style that ages very well for precisely that reason. It has forgotten where its roots lie, so it relies upon the latest sound to CTRL+C and CTRL+V on to some semblance of a hardcore skeleton, and then expect to take over the world. Well, and I make no apologies, transvestites will never take over the world. Some will be appreciated, but most will be ridiculed. And so goes the story of metalcore according to the trained musical ear."
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:30:15 EST (#)
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I said harcore is simplistic. I agree with death metal dude on the fact that metal is more technical. But he has the same bullshit elitist views as every other death metal fan.
Hatebreed are fucking awesome.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:28:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by vaya (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:02:50 (#)
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Keep doing your thing, Timmy.
DeathMetalDude, are you a moron? Hardcore, more simplistic than Metal?
Yes, both are very simplistic, but metal definately takes the cake. Fucking kids. It's probably a good idea not to be so opinionated when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
You are the perfect example of a stereotypical DEATH METAL DUDE. You know absolutely nothing about music
Right, listen to Krisiun and then Hatebreed and tell me which is more simplistic.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:11:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:33:19 (#)
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I love your work, Timmy. ETS, as far as I'm concerned, your feedback means fuckall. What have you ever done that's original? From what I've observed, all you've ever been able to do is take shitty nirvana songs and turn them into shitty Hootie and the Blowfish songs. So, you know... cheers to you on that. You took uninspired crap that always sounded like a cat in a blender and turned it into bubblegum top 40 shit. Wow. You've contributed SO MUCH to the music world. Fuck off you shit.
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Cookie, I am sorry about being a dick to you.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:10:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by Satansgotsyphillis (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:04:36 (#)
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you wanted my opinion, thicklips. No one gives a shit whether it's sarcasm or not or what I have to say or you have to say, i confused your mind. i thought it sucked. bam.
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Fair enough. But you also put a +2 with it and I said rate accordingly fuck nuts.
Submitted by vaya (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:09:22 EST (#)
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*cough* Haha, wow. I read that wrong. Come one guys. Love and peace.
Submitted by Satansgotsyphillis (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:04:36 EST (#)
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you wanted my opinion, thicklips. No one gives a shit whether it's sarcasm or not or what I have to say or you have to say, i confused your mind. i thought it sucked. bam.
Submitted by vaya (user info) at 2005-02-25 00:02:50 EST (#)
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Keep doing your thing, Timmy.
DeathMetalDude, are you a moron? Hardcore, more simplistic than Metal?
Yes, both are very simplistic, but metal definately takes the cake. Fucking kids. It's probably a good idea not to be so opinionated when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
You are the perfect example of a stereotypical DEATH METAL DUDE. You know absolutely nothing about music.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:59:55 EST (#)
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Submitted by Satansgotsyphillis (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:55:06 (#)
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how about, who the fuck cares? Shut your mouth you dirty whore of a cunt?
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people like this are the reason I'm going to stop with uber.
Submitted by Satansgotsyphillis (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:55:06 EST (#)
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how about, who the fuck cares? Shut your mouth you dirty whore of a cunt?
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:53:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by Satansgotsyphillis (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:48:14 (#)
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your band rocks.
nah, they really, really, really,really suck ass.
I'm serious, stop. shut the fuck up.
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Do I take that as sarcasm? Or just a mistake on the rating?
Submitted by Satansgotsyphillis (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:48:14 EST (#)
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your band rocks.
nah, they really, really, really,really suck ass.
I'm serious, stop. shut the fuck up.
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:37:33 EST (#)
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while I'm at it here's some of the metal that I "prefer" to listen to...
mastodon
swarm of the lotus
converge
anodyne
early cave-in
rune
unfold
strapping young lad
carnal forge
old man gloom
isis
fuck I could go on forever...
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:33:19 EST (#)
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I love your work, Timmy. ETS, as far as I'm concerned, your feedback means fuckall. What have you ever done that's original? From what I've observed, all you've ever been able to do is take shitty nirvana songs and turn them into shitty Hootie and the Blowfish songs. So, you know... cheers to you on that. You took uninspired crap that always sounded like a cat in a blender and turned it into bubblegum top 40 shit. Wow. You've contributed SO MUCH to the music world. Fuck off you shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:32:58 EST (#)
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That goes back to the ENERGY thing. Live shows are where it's at for energy. It's VERY VERY difficult to bring across energy in recordings. People generally don't understand this. On the one hand, if you make it raw and all out, smash-your-face energetic, you often lose in quality because in order for tracks to be laid properly, they have to be done seperately...this steals the energy a lot of the time. To sit in a cold, open studio and lay out tracks one at a time is a far cry from jamming your heart out in front of 200 people at a club. Not even remotely the same. But this is why major labels have producers and engineers to all this work, so the band can focus on the performance. Average people like you and me don't have that luxury really. We're limited in what we can do. I understand that completely.
Don't get down on yourself because not everyone understands that. Just use this as a learning tool for how things should and should not be done in the future. For instance: ALWAYS USE A CLICK TRACK. Purists might call this cheating....but they're wrong. Every major label production on the face of the planet now uses a click track - can't avoid it. Lay a rough guitar track to the click track, then do the drums while listening back to that. This is just one example of how to improve in future studio endeavors. (Nothing is worth doing that isn't done right.)
This is what I am getting at, I guess. But it's your art, not mine. That's the beauty of it.
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:30:10 EST (#)
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as a guitarist/musician myself, your band isn't "bad". It isn't "outstanding" either. When I listen to a band I want something that makes me go, okay, these guys are stretching the boundaries of music and not conforming to the idea of the basic concept of a song itself. Something needs to set it apart. If you're looking for moderate local success then I think you will do fine, just don't get depressed if you're not the next Black Sabbath...
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:19:31 EST (#)
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No I didn't say your feedback was bad.
Just the whole feedback in general has been bad. No good points have been made which makes me think a couple of things.
A: We're shit
B: People think that critisism only means pointing out the bad.
I'm thinking b rather than A. And when I say strangers I don't mean peoples girlfriends. I mean complete strangers who have seen me on the street and said "hey you're from TBH I've been to a couple your shows you guys are awesome" etc etc
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:12:54 EST (#)
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That wasn't bad feedback. You are asking musicians what they think. That's a bit different than asking the general public, or your best mates' girlfriends what they think. My criticism, while straightforward and honest, was not harsh, and could have been FAR worse. If you needed to just give up, I would have said so. I was bobbing my head to your shit, dude... It can't be all bad.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 23:05:11 EST (#)
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Nope drum tracks first with a one playing along (scratch track). And I said I totally agree with you. And of course there is always room for improvement.
I'll personally hand seal and post tickets to any shows in the US we do near you for anyone who wants them (free of course). We'll be over there by early next year. Come see us live as to be honest I don't think you can fully appreciate a band until you see them live especially a band like us.
Ah well. The US can be hard to crack as there are just so many bands over there. Down here we've had alot of praise from alot of different people. I guess it's just weird to get nothing but bad feedback. *shrugs*
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:57:31 EST (#)
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Seriously, Tim, listen, no offense intended. My guess is you laid the guitar track first, then drums. Either that or you laid the drums while playing along with one guitar. Problem with that method is obviously that there is going to be some inconsistency there. And I am not questioning you ability, but yes there are some problems with timing in there that should be addressed an avoided in the future.
Just keep learning, keep improving, don't rest on you laurals and say there is no problem. It's good to be prooud of what you've accomplished, and I think that's definitely warranted, but keep an open mind and realize that you can ALWAYS improve.
Of course, I have no room to talk on any of these subjects, so I'll leave it be now.
Submitted by KillWomen (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:52:00 EST (#)
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, who the fuck's talkin shit on Morbid Angel? Listen to a track named "Drum Check" off their most recent album and you'll see why they don't suck.
Oh, and not all Metalcore sucks, DeathMetalDude, listen to some Red Chord (dl the song "Catalepsy") or Deadwater Drowning (dl the song "The Best Sex I Ever Had"). There's breakdowns, though, so prepare to not like it.
Your band, Timmah, is really not that good. Sounds like all the generic backyard bands I've seen over the years. But that's all it really takes to make it big in the present day hardcore scene, so I'm pretty sure you guys will do fine.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:49:03 EST (#)
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I would also like to point out that these recordings were meant to be done in a day. Yes I would agree that the timings are rough at times. This is mainly due to me thinking that I wouldn't be able to do more takes. Niow that we've made more money from shows and shit I've realised I could've. Believe me I have no problems with timing as a drummer. Those recordings were done without click tracks and only a scratch guitar track.
I'm proud of packing out 200 people into a show after being together only a year. I'm proud that we've got gigs with some of the best metal acts in britain (Raging speedhorn, SikTh and stampin ground), I'm proud that we've got as good a following in the local area as we have. And most importantly, I'm proud that we won't let people tell us how to make our music. I have faith in the band I play in and in myself as a drummer of only 3 years so far.
But thats for the CONSTRUCTIVE critisism ETS.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:41:36 EST (#)
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I actually worked with Rodney Beasley, the drummer for Iced Earth. He lives in Kentucky now.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:40:26 EST (#)
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All that is said in the knowledge that these are rough mixes.
Get thee to the crossroads and sell your soul to the devil...
Trust me, it helps.
Submitted by StonedSilly (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:39:23 EST (#)
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I love your music.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:39:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:58:32 (#)
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i saw Morbid Angel like 5 times at random shows. the ones where they opened up for real bands. man did they suck ass. sounded like a shitty slayer rip-off with some half-breed grunting.
i suppose Dark Tranquility and Iced Earth suck as well. Gardenian and Kalmah put out some good shit too. and Arch Enemy.
You don't really know too much if you draw that much similarity between Slayer, a speed metal band, and Morbid Angel, a death metal band. Morbid Angel is only good through Formulas Fatal to the Flesh, after that it becomes complacent and contrived. The only redeeming quality about them now is Trey Azagthoth, who kicks ass. I'm not surprised they suck live, they trigger their drums and you probably saw them when they had Steve Tucker singing, who sucks. They have David Vincent back now, a huge improvement.
Dark Tranquillity is good as far as doom metal goes, and Iced Earth is badass.
Arch Enemy is more new wave crap.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:38:46 EST (#)
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+2 for posting music.
Your timing as a drummer need some work. You guys need to just practice and practice until you are tighter than a virgin pussy. That's the only way to get metal to sound right... That and an interesting singer who actually sings some of the time to offset the growls. And your tempos were a bit draggy in spots. ENERGY is what drives metal. It's the burning demon rising from the smouldering ashes of your enemies, come to claim its vengeance with this massive sound.
I know why I don't listen to metal much anymore, and it's because it's all been done before. Noone wants to take it anywhere else. Maybe you should rethink what you want to do with your talents so you don't become a lost face in a sea of similar-sounding crap.
The good aspect is, you seem to have the necessary drive to get better, otherwise you wouldn't ask for constructive criticism. Stop trying to do too much and just focus on ENERGY. You have to be posessed to play metal. You guys are NOT posessed....yet.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:36:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by Naery (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:27:13 (#)
Ranking: -1
Sounds like every other "metal" band out there. Unintelligible lyrics, low-tuned guitars playing repitious, simplistic chords, drumming without consistent rhythm patterns. On top of that, however, it was poorly mixed. I used to have a band, and we tried to make a CD, but the damn recording studio wouldn't mix our shit so it sounded good. Sounds like you're having the same problem.
If you want a really original sound, add a band-member. Have him play the tuba. Or the flute. Or the Jew's Harp. Give it a shot and good luck!
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Thought I'd put it in the post but obviously not. They are the rough mixes. Before any mixing or anything. Just the very first flat mix.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:32:04 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
"Death metal dude. You're probably the most ignorant prick on this site. Don't act like you know what you're talking about when you obviously have no fucking clue."
yeah nice rebuttal dumbfuck
Submitted by Naery (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:27:13 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
Sounds like every other "metal" band out there. Unintelligible lyrics, low-tuned guitars playing repitious, simplistic chords, drumming without consistent rhythm patterns. On top of that, however, it was poorly mixed. I used to have a band, and we tried to make a CD, but the damn recording studio wouldn't mix our shit so it sounded good. Sounds like you're having the same problem.
If you want a really original sound, add a band-member. Have him play the tuba. Or the flute. Or the Jew's Harp. Give it a shot and good luck!
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:08:08 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
sounds like every other piece of shit death metal band out there, sorry. I like slayer or Lemmy better. I expected more, plus you remind me more of the lead singer of Scissor Sisters, personality wise.
But at least you'reout there rockin'!
Submitted by getyourvoltronon (user info) at 2005-02-24 22:07:50 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I give this a 2 because its metal, but I would suggest more double bass. Death metal dude is right about In Flames and the whole bastardization of newer types of metal. Regardless of how much it might suck or what weird new sub-genre it may label itself, at least its metal and not that radio station pop bullshit.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:58:32 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
i saw Morbid Angel like 5 times at random shows. the ones where they opened up for real bands. man did they suck ass. sounded like a shitty slayer rip-off with some half-breed grunting.
i suppose Dark Tranquility and Iced Earth suck as well. Gardenian and Kalmah put out some good shit too. and Arch Enemy.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:56:11 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
AAAAAAAAAH He's an elitist. It's all explained now.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:54:26 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
the main reason for the ep being so long over due is the singer has been re recording the vocals (much better now)
Death metal dude. You're probably the most ignorant prick on this site. Don't act like you know what you're talking about when you obviously have no fucking clue.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:52:55 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
sometimes
I'd like to see a defense of In Flames' 'new direction' (i.e. sellout), why don't you humor me
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:51:03 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
You guys need a new singer. The openings sounded pretty cool and with some more practice you guys got a good chance.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:49:40 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
all those shitty gothenburg melo-death bands like In Flames and Soilwork
BWHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
What a tool. What do you listen to Morbid Angel? hahahaha
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:48:23 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
now now bud I know more about metal than you and your generic power chord whateverthefuck-core band
the most significant change in death metal that I've noticed recently is all those shitty gothenburg melo-death bands like In Flames and Soilwork slowly turning shittier and shittier, closing the gap between metal and metalcore. as you should know being in a metalcore band, your entire genre is a sham. it's extremely derivative to the point of almost plagiaristic. you jack the simplicity that comes from aforementioned sellout death metal and mix it with the peppiness and breakdowns of hardcore to create an uninspired transsexual of a genre. your downtuned emo-with-distortion is going to fade away and die just like nu metal did, and it will leave future generations wondering "what the fuck was that stupid shit all about"
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:40:22 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:38:40 (#)
Ranking: 0
Dude, you asked what people think. Don't lash out at them.
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Lash out? How did I lash out? I laughed at him. There's a difference
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:38:40 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Dude, you asked what people think. Don't lash out at them.
Submitted by screamfeeder (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:36:37 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
"The whole point in HARDCORE is simplicity."
Coupled with Technical Speed Playing.
=P
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:29:29 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:25:14 (#)
Ranking: 0
sounds like typical metalcore to me; half-yell half-growl vocals, downtuned guitars playing simplistic chugging riffs dragged through a million distortions
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Ahahahahahaha. This is coming from someone named death metal dude. What inspired changes have been made in death metal recently? oh that's right NONE!
Only two or three effects ever used on guitars. And the guitar riffs may be simplistic but the guitarists themselves are very very talented.
The whole point in HARDCORE is simplicity.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:25:14 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
sounds like typical metalcore to me; half-yell half-growl vocals, downtuned guitars playing simplistic chugging riffs dragged through a million distortions
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:20:08 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
To me it's the way the mold in which the music is usually written. It's so alike from one guy to another. I blame the guitarists.
I almost ended up in this crew...thank god I didn't...http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1345_photo.jpg
Submitted by screamfeeder (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:19:06 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Yes.
Heh.
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:16:26 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
I like them better than metal bands like Lamb of God and Cradle of Filth. I mean it sounds like them, but it's a lot more mellow paced.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:13:50 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Fair enough. Even though most people say they sound too different.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:12:46 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I've heard so many metal bands. Some which my friends have played in. Or even asked me to play in.
They all sounded the same to me, even though I'm a fan of metal. This one does too.
That's my opinion...you asked.
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2005-02-24 21:12:32 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Best listened to cranked up high.