How dissention will destroy the country (1071 hits)
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Submitted by iHurtFeelings (View user info) at 2005-03-01 15:43:54 EST
Once Upon a time there was a country which was so great the people of the land would attack any foreigner who spoke against it.
A sense of unity was developed among the many races which inhabited the nation and bolstered an immense feeling of national pride.
The country fought many battles and was successful in most endeavors, turning the nation into a super power.
The feeling of pride seemed to be the driving force behind the success of the nation. Pushing and pulling the citizens, national pride created an apparently unrivaled strength.
The country dominated in many areas - Athletics, politics, battles, information, technology, science, education, entertainment.
With the advent of global travel and communications to citizens began speaking with citizens of other countries who would sometimes verbal or physically bash them because of their nation success.
The strong minded and honorable people of the nation fought back no matter their personal beliefs.
They defended their nation for the matter of pride and nationalism.
The weak minded and dishonorable people, mainly concerned for self appearance in the eyes of others began to dissent.
The dissention spread through the global and national media.
The veil dissention was labeled with hip phrases and appealing ideas which drew a youthful crowd.
In communications with their foreign counterparts, many of the nation's literati were infected by the dissention.
Over time academia was over-run with the seditious venom-spitters training the impressionable youths of the nation to believe the ideas as "free thinking," "intellectual," or the true meaning of "patriotic."
Soldiers began to die feeling they have support from home.
They are told they are fighting the "Wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time."
Other nations bash the once successful nation on open forums, television, and newspapers.
With its own civilians in open opposition, the nation begins to wane.
A foreigner says "Fuck your country!"
The dissenter replies, "Your right, Fuck my country!"
The country begins to crumble without the old national pride.
More and more people hate the country.
Less and less retain their pride.
Alas, once powerful nation, I bid the farewell.
Gone is the day of your glory.
Gone is the glory of man.
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-05 01:54:28 EST (#)
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I just realized how idiotic the title of this piece is.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-03-05 01:49:39 EST (#)
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'Control Room' is an interesting movie. check it out
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-05 00:53:25 EST (#)
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Whose psychologist will decide? Prosecution's will always say "Competent, fry him." Defene's will always say "Not competent. Be merciful."
That's why you are a minor until you are 18. If you are a minor, you should be punished as a minor, since the legal system bends according to who is pushing it.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-05 00:48:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:19:52 (#)
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HadToBeDone
So you are telling me that if a 17 year old thought out his crime. Bragged to his friends about how "even if I get caught, it won't matter cause I'm not 18." and then went into your parent's home, beat and raped your mother - while your father was forced to watch tied-up. Then killed them both execution style. That he should be allowed to live?
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I'm saying that according to the government he isn't an adult. If he's not an adult, why should he be punished as one when he gets none of the benefits of being an adult. You wanna try 17 year olds as adults? Make them adults.
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-04 13:44:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by Greatwhtheip (user info) at 2005-03-03 11:52:32 (#)
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I think the point that is widely missed is very simple. No one is saying you have to agree with Bush or respect him. The point is this... "You fight like brothers with each other, but if someone comes in the front yard you fight like animals". Meaning debates are great, have your protests, thats fine. That is democracy in action, but keep other countries out of your business, and don't drag your country through the mud in front of them. Just don't shit where you eat. As far as protesting troops, I don't think anyone can say anything about the nation today. The warriors today are respected even if the cause isn't, 98% of America respects the service member following orders. What happened to the troops returning from Vietnam was wrong, but that isn't waht happens today.
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-04 13:43:32 EST (#)
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Actually, that was a case that really happened. That is why I used it as an example.
I'm not saying that every teenager who commits murder should be executed. But I am saying some people mature mentally before others. So the age number being set in stone as 18 is sort of ridiculous. Is someone 17 years and 10 months less mature than another who is 18 years and 3 months? Obviously considering a 13-14 year old is ludicrous. It should be up to a psychologist to determine whether or not the person is mentally competent or not. However I digress on this topic as it is nowhere related to this post.
Submitted by FelizJbirth (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:44:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:19:52 (#)
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HadToBeDone
So you are telling me that if a 17 year old thought out his crime. Bragged to his friends about how "even if I get caught, it won't matter cause I'm not 18." and then went into your parent's home, beat and raped your mother - while your father was forced to watch tied-up. Then killed them both execution style. That he should be allowed to live?
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Yeah, you're absolutely right. In fact, I think the age should be lowered. After all, there's nothing stopping an 8 year old from saying to himself "Hey, I'm only 8 years old, I should grab a pair of scissors and go on a killing rampage!" Let's just execute everyone, just in case.
Coming up with extreme examples that are so rare as to be completely irrelevent does not further your case. If anything, the fact that a 17 year old kid decides to murder people in cold blood simply because "he's not 18 yet" should tell you that there's something wrong with the kid's upbringing. I guess his parents must have been liberals, huh?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:27:48 EST (#)
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So where have you been?
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:19:52 EST (#)
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HadToBeDone
So you are telling me that if a 17 year old thought out his crime. Bragged to his friends about how "even if I get caught, it won't matter cause I'm not 18." and then went into your parent's home, beat and raped your mother - while your father was forced to watch tied-up. Then killed them both execution style. That he should be allowed to live?
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:14:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-03-03 17:57:14 (#)
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And don't call people war fearing cowards when you have experience nothing else than suburbia.
When you're deployed in a war zone, you can talk about your courage but for now, shut the fuck up because others are doing the job for you. Plus, attacking thirld world countries has never been an achievment to brag about for centuries.
Don't try to guess where people have been. You will usually be wrong.
HadToBeDone, I agree with you on the issue of separation of church and state. No argument on that from me.
Submitted by Ed_0150 (user info) at 2005-03-03 18:40:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by Greatwhtheip (user info) at 2005-03-03 12:10:31 (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:27:01 (#)
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Fucking bloody Christ, you are a primitive little man, aren't you?
No, if my dad was a raging drunk, I would not not honor him.
You have a child's ignorance - Don't speak anymore.
Hmm... so honor is so far removed from you that you think it is a child's sentiment?
that fucking sickens me... there are 1000 clichés for it "blood is thicker than water"
"Family first" ect... but pride can't be taught... honor isn't a punch line word, believe it or not some people are still raised hearing words like integrity and pride and justice. It isn't a blind devotion to what you have been taught, but an intrinsic part of who you are...regardless of how old you are. Or what you have seen and lived through. You can't choose your father, but he is part of you...
That is the second time I have heard the word honor used in conjuction with the word primitive. What a fucking condescending notion.
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What he said.
Submitted by Ed_0150 (user info) at 2005-03-03 18:13:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-03 18:11:06 EST (#)
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Jawohl!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-03-03 17:57:14 EST (#)
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And don't call people war fearing cowards when you have experience nothing else than suburbia.
When you're deployed in a war zone, you can talk about your courage but for now, shut the fuck up because others are doing the job for you. Plus, attacking thirld world countries has never been an achievment to brag about for centuries.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-03-03 17:50:03 EST (#)
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that happens everywhere, just more people hate your government. big deal.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-03 17:38:05 EST (#)
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Oh, and the US Solicitor General filed a Friend of the Court brief in support of "Under God" in thge pledge, so he IS actively supporting keeping God in it.
He supports prayer in schools (I am not opposed to silent, individual prayer, but I am opposed to organized prayer events) and he supports the 10 Commandments on governemnt property. Until he actively supports non-Christian displays of religion on government property, I will loudly and visibly protest that.
And I won't stop based on who may be watching.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-03 17:34:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-03 09:58:14 (#)
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My point was that Bush didn't come up with the ideas and is not forcing them one anyone. If he were forcing the ideas on America he would be supporting keeping the God in many of the things being attacked today.
What is wrong with executing (not murder) a 17 year old (not a kid) for a brutal murder.
I haven't heard much about the execution of retards, but that doesn't sound right. Unless assisted suicide become legal, killing retards should remain illegal
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In the US, under 18 is a minor. So, if someone is 17, they're a minor. If someone is 13, they're a minor. If someone is 7, they're a minor.
My feeling is, if someone is under 17, they don't have the rights that someone over 18 has, they don't have the reponsibilities that someone over 18 has, they shouldn't be treated the way someone over 18 is.
Submitted by Greatwhtheip (user info) at 2005-03-03 12:10:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:27:01 (#)
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Fucking bloody Christ, you are a primitive little man, aren't you?
No, if my dad was a raging drunk, I would not not honor him.
You have a child's ignorance - Don't speak anymore.
Hmm... so honor is so far removed from you that you think it is a child's sentiment?
that fucking sickens me... there are 1000 clichés for it "blood is thicker than water"
"Family first" ect... but pride can't be taught... honor isn't a punch line word, believe it or not some people are still raised hearing words like integrity and pride and justice. It isn't a blind devotion to what you have been taught, but an intrinsic part of who you are...regardless of how old you are. Or what you have seen and lived through. You can't choose your father, but he is part of you...
That is the second time I have heard the word honor used in conjuction with the word primitive. What a fucking condescending notion.
Submitted by Greatwhtheip (user info) at 2005-03-03 11:52:32 EST (#)
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I think the point that is widely missed is very simple. No one is saying you have to agree with Bush or respect him. The point is this... "You fight like brothers with each other, but if someone comes in the front yard you fight like animals". Meaning debates are great, have your protests, thats fine. That is democracy in action, but keep other countries out of your business, and don't drag your country through the mud in front of them. Just don't shit where you eat. As far as protesting troops, I don't think anyone can say anything about the nation today. The warriors today are respected even if the cause isn't, 98% of America respects the service member following orders. What happened to the troops returning from Vietnam was wrong, but that isn't waht happens today.
+2 for the people who keep putting -2
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-03 09:58:14 EST (#)
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My point was that Bush didn't come up with the ideas and is not forcing them one anyone. If he were forcing the ideas on America he would be supporting keeping the God in many of the things being attacked today.
What is wrong with executing (not murder) a 17 year old (not a kid) for a brutal murder.
I haven't heard much about the execution of retards, but that doesn't sound right. Unless assisted suicide become legal, killing retards should remain illegal
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-03 07:20:23 EST (#)
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"...one nation, under God..."
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That would be the 1950's genius. The pledge, up until that point, was "...one nation, indivisible..."
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-03 07:18:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 22:47:34 (#)
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Ok, you got me. When did Bush kill people?
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This is a joke, right? Abortion anytime is wrong, but let's execute retards and those who were kids when they committed crimes?
Personally, I'm opposed to executing kids and retards, and would have a real hard time accepting the idea of an abortion (assuming I were involved in the decision), except under limited circumstances. And don't ask me to go into them here, I've laid them out in other posts.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-02 23:24:03 EST (#)
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I tell you what. You have 5 minutes to admit to me, that your ideas are simply American nazism.
If you can agree to that, then you can have my +2.
Submitted by TimeCop (user info) at 2005-03-02 23:22:44 EST (#)
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Yes, I too feel this way about this great country of ours: Vatican City.
Ruling the world with an iron fist. Then that one fatal day, when that bishop said "Hey, Pope!! I never voted for you?! What makes you so great, huh?"
We have fallen so far...
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 23:16:35 EST (#)
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I guess Bush is the one who came up with "In God we trust" and "...one nation, under God..." My fault.
For the 10th time, the post does not say follow the leader blindly. It merely suggests a more appropriate way of getting you message heard than openly making fun of your government. Public mockery gets far less done than a letter to your congressman (although neither do much). I guess you are all in politics. I mean, why would you hold you volumes of political knowledge back from the world?
Isn't "Nazi" a little extreme? Wow.
Submitted by Adjomak (user info) at 2005-03-02 23:05:59 EST (#)
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Okay, that argument is bull shit: "This country was founded on christian principles" FUCK NO! Get that through your stupid head now. The Pilgrims were not founding a new country, they were more interested in taking their extreme form of christianity, and shoving it down everybody else's throat. The founding fathers were fucking Deists. They did not believe in christian values, because, fuck, up until that point, Christianity was fucked up enough as it was. This country was founded on the ideals of free speech, freedom of thought, freedom to speak out when the government has forgotten who you are, and what you believe in, and are locked into their limited mind set. To dissent is not the same as treason. To say that I believe that this country can change for the better is not whining, it's about attempting to make a difference, of improving it. It's fucking Nazis like Bush and his bunch of chicken hawks, who have created this mindset that questioning your leaders = unpatriotic like conduct. That is not the case. That is the worst thing that could possibly result, and it has fools and dumbasses like you believing it. That is the worst of all.
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 22:47:34 EST (#)
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Ok, you got me. When did Bush kill people?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-02 19:52:57 EST (#)
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4. Killing innocents is always wrong and "Dubs" has never forced anyone to kill innocents. Soldiers who have done this have been and are being tried by courts martial for their actions. Furthermore, congress is far more responsible for the orders carried out by the US military, as they are responsible for the militaries "Rules of Engagement." Something your coward ass surely knows nothing about.
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I never mentioned the military, fucktard. In fact, it nevercrossed my mind there.
Next time you jump to conclusions, try not to be the intellectual equivalent of Skee-Lo.
"I wish I was a little bit taller...."
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 19:31:49 EST (#)
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1. Bush can't just think up and make into law a tax code. His advisors have to pretty much do all the work and set it in motion. All he can do is say yes or no and obey congress.
2. Christianity in American culture, maybe. Everyday Government? I think not. If he was such a bible thumper why hasn't he gone to bat for all the cases of bible scripture and references being taken out of damn near everything in America. You were harping on the "foundations of America" earlier. Did you forget that the nation was founded by Religious Pilgrims... The Christian Type?
3. The states do not have the right to reign supreme. That is a confederacy. America has a strong Central Gov. The states get their way a lot of the time, but when the federal government says do something the states do it.
4. Killing innocents is always wrong and "Dubs" has never forced anyone to kill innocents. Soldiers who have done this have been and are being tried by courts martial for their actions. Furthermore, congress is far more responsible for the orders carried out by the US military, as they are responsible for the militaries "Rules of Engagement." Something your coward ass surely knows nothing about.
5. Some people in the country are poor. So what. You either work hard and get ahead or don't and fall behind. Some people just fall on hard times and that sucks, but we do not live in a socialist country.
6. Personal morality and corporate responsibility go hand in hand. It is not the Pres. Job to tell big business to be nice. Also, who determines what the "all-time low" is? You?
Go sweep the floor.
Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2005-03-02 17:10:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by Feijuada (user info) at 2005-03-02 16:59:26 EST (#)
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This disaster you talk about in your post sounds more like a glorious revoloution in thought. I wish I was there when it happened.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-02 16:34:57 EST (#)
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CORRECTION:
Reasons for colonists to dissent:
1. Taxation without (direct) representation
2. Colonies were "pimped" by the British profit and gave no rights to colonists
(See #1)
3. Independence from England
Reasons for ME:
1. I have yet to see ONE of Bush's "across the board" tax cuts
2. Attempting to integrate Christianity into everyday government
3. States' Rights reign supreme, except when Dubs doesn't want them to
(see attempt to amend US Constitution to decide who STATES can allow to marry)
4. Killing is wrong except when Dubs wants it to be right
5. We can't afford to take care of our poor and our war veterans properly, but we
can invade soverign nations on a whim
6. Attempting to legislate personal morality when corporate responsibility is at an all-time low
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 15:28:39 EST (#)
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If Bush was like Hitler he would probably put all the Canadians in concentration camps. But that would never happen because The American government and public would not let that shit happen.
Bush has not done anything terribly bad. And none of the decisions he has made that the general public disagrees with were not made on his own.
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 15:16:32 EST (#)
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Reasons for colonists to dissent:
1. Taxation without representation
2. Colonies were "pimped" by the British profit and gave no rights to colonists
3. Independence from England
Reasons for you:
1. It's to make fun of Our administration
2. The French and Canadians on Uber laugh at my Anti-Bush jokes
3. You are an ungrateful war fearing coward
If you disagree with the Government do something to make you voice heard!
Making fun of your president to Europeans does not make the situation better. If you don't like what is going on write letters to senators, congressman, or even G.W. Who knows, sense you are so much smarter than all of them they may like your idea, you free thinker you!!
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-02 12:25:25 EST (#)
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I know the feeling HadToBeDone, they talk big talk and then fizzle out. They stand up for a label with labels and then laugh at people who can see beyond labels and call them labels.
IHURTFEELINGS: OK, what if your dad was Hitler (back to comparing Bush with Hitler, Yay).
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-02 12:12:36 EST (#)
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iHurtFeelings - You and Jack McCallum must be one and the same. Same views, and you both just shut up when I make a point that you can't argue. You just can't ever admit that someone else is right. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Hey, this means I've managed to shut both of you up ,right in your tracks in the last 2 months. I'm on a roll.
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 11:48:25 EST (#)
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You would not defend drunkenness, but you would not make fun of your father in public view. You would, however, try to work things out in-house with your family to get your father help, or leave the house.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-03-02 08:51:47 EST (#)
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sorry, automatic -2 for irrelevant link whoring
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-02 08:43:20 EST (#)
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Damn you people are retards. If anyone is doing anything blindly it is you "free thinkers" auto -2'ing a pro-America post.
Did you even read anything I wrote in reply? Can you use your immense "free thinking" ability to analyze a post, before you write your witty reply? "
There are certain things written in Pro America posts that instantly highlights the ignorance of the writer in everybody's eyes. You can't see it because your "programming" won't let you.
To use your drunk father analogy as an example, would you defend drunkenness just because your father was a drunk? No and nobody with sense would. You cannot choose your family, you should not be able to alter your sense of right and wrong because of family bonds and that analogy is worthless as is this post.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-02 07:59:01 EST (#)
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I thought you were talking about Nazi Germany for the first paragraph
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-02 07:45:07 EST (#)
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"Once Upon a time there was a country which was so great the people of the land would attack any foreigner who spoke against it. "
There is nothing great about a country that does this. Tell me anything great about this?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-02 07:37:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 07:30:30 (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-02 00:00:09 (#)
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And the colonists were all BRITISH FUCKING CITIZENS, DISSENTING AGAINST THE BRITISH FUCKING GOVERNMENT! How can one person be so blind to simple facts? We were British until we won that war and created a new identity for ourselves.
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What about the Spanish, French, Dutch, Swedish, and various other European settlers? I guess they didn't show up until after the ALL British colonials rebelled.
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The equivalent of legal immigrants. As such, they are considered British subjects, so I did use the word citizen instead of subjects. A thousand pardons, the point still stands. It was not a foreign government.
If Puerto Rico or Guam rose up against the US, would that be dissent against a foreign, colonizing government?
Quit clouding the issue.
Submitted by Shagabah_Jones (user info) at 2005-03-02 07:30:36 EST (#)
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It's funny cause it's true... But then again it's not...
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-02 07:30:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-02 00:00:09 (#)
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And the colonists were all BRITISH FUCKING CITIZENS, DISSENTING AGAINST THE BRITISH FUCKING GOVERNMENT! How can one person be so blind to simple facts? We were British until we won that war and created a new identity for ourselves.
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What about the Spanish, French, Dutch, Swedish, and various other European settlers? I guess they didn't show up until after the ALL British colonials rebelled.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-02 07:17:24 EST (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-03-02 02:03:21 (#)
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By the way, I still have to read "Brave New World", but I cannot find it anywhere. Lifeline Bookfest, public libraries, second-hand bookstores. Is it really as good as 1984?
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I actually prefer it to 1984. The plots really aren't very similar so they really can't be compared, as BNW deals more with a creepy look at a society which has tried to achieve Utopia. In fact, I prefer Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury) and Anthem (Ayn Rand) to 1984. You should be able to pick up a copy of BNW on Amazon. I'd offer to send you mine, but it is almost worn out and would never survive shipping.
Submitted by MoneyG (user info) at 2005-03-02 02:27:50 EST (#)
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You sir, are a terrorist. Don't ever question the patriotism of your fellow Americans. Because they choose not to blindly follow a foolish ideal, that does not mean they are going to bring down this nation. Your stubbornness however, will.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-02 02:17:22 EST (#)
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Dude, this was weak and polorizing.
+0 because you pissed Spook off.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-02 02:06:08 EST (#)
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+2 on this response
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:14:43 (#)
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we're turning into a bunch of milktoast pussies who just crouch in the shadows, flinging poo at something we don't like
don't complain unless you have a solution. (kerry was not a solution)
Go sassy, go.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-03-02 02:03:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:45:18 (#)
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Gone is the intelligence.
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Posts like this make me cringe
By the way, I still have to read "Brave New World", but I cannot find it anywhere. Lifeline Bookfest, public libraries, second-hand bookstores. Is it really as good as 1984?
Submitted by Umbilical_Cord (user info) at 2005-03-02 01:49:28 EST (#)
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You're right. Dissentors should be sent to labour camps in Alaska, while only pro-government viewpoints should be allowed in public debate. The founding fathers would have wanted it that way.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-02 00:00:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:25:11 (#)
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Your right, America was founded dissent. However it was dissent towards a colonizing foreign government.
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And the colonists were all BRITISH FUCKING CITIZENS, DISSENTING AGAINST THE BRITISH FUCKING GOVERNMENT! How can one person be so blind to simple facts? We were British until we won that war and created a new identity for ourselves.
First attempt, Articles of Confederation. Didn't really work out. So, 1789, Constitution of the United States of America. And nowhere - I repeat nowhere - does it say that we should not voice our dissent in whatever forum we deem appropriate. In fact, the frist amendment to the Constitution says that there shall be NO law that can tell me I can't. It is my duty to speak up in any way I can when I disagree with the actions of my elected officials.
If I choose to tell the French that Bush is a drunk circus clown, there is no reason I shouldn't, except your warped view of patriotism. Your view of patriotism has us singing "God Save the Queen" before cricket matches, because we aren't allowed to speak out.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-03-01 22:24:58 EST (#)
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"That Big Brother is being created solely by the right wing is an illusion. Those on both sides of the aisle are imposing a government with its hands in your pockets, ears on your telephone, and eyes in your bedroom. The face of Big Brother is in the PATRIOT act, but the heart and soul is in every social program created since 1933."
-Rad
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Will you fucking shut up with that stupid quote? It's completely ridiculous.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-01 22:17:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:18:58 (#)
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It all started with social security in the first place. It made us a nation that expects the world to owe them something.
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"That Big Brother is being created solely by the right wing is an illusion. Those on both sides of the aisle are imposing a government with its hands in your pockets, ears on your telephone, and eyes in your bedroom. The face of Big Brother is in the PATRIOT act, but the heart and soul is in every social program created since 1933."
-Rad
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 22:03:30 EST (#)
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Jimmy
If you believe half of the garbage on that site, you are a fool. I will leave it at that. I wasted enough of my time reading those seditious lies.
The writers of that page dishonor every American who has ever worn a uniform and carried a rifle.
Submitted by dethcow (user info) at 2005-03-01 21:43:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:45:18 (#)
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Gone is the intelligence.
Submitted by Jimmy (user info) at 2005-03-01 19:59:27 EST (#)
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I could'nt possibly explain to you how brainwashed you are, but this link within a link might be your last hope http://www.ubersite.com/m/60943#1180389
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 19:38:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jimmy (user info) at 2005-03-01 18:54:12 (#)
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You can't seem to get your head around the fact that you are very, very stupid and should therefore avoid expressing opinions.
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The unlucky bastard that gets stuck behind you at a ballgame can't get his head around your fat ass.
Try being productive, either respond to the idea that the post presents, or go toss yourself in front of a bus.
Damn you people are retards. If anyone is doing anything blindly it is you "free thinkers" auto -2'ing a pro-America post.
Did you even read anything I wrote in reply? Can you use your immense "free thinking" ability to analyze a post, before you write your witty reply?
Submitted by epiphany (user info) at 2005-03-01 18:54:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:55:03 (#)
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We are the land of the free. Be free and enjoy your time. But why would anyone want to embarrass their country by making fun of their selves (and yes, making fun of you nations leadership to the world is making fun of yourself).
I also never mentioned America in the post. Pick any country, if their leadership was under scrutiny and their people openly make fun of that administration, the world laughs at them a little more because of their stupidity.
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Lets see, neither time did I vote for the assclown that currently occupies the Oval Office, but I should respect his stupid, shortsighted decisions? Other than the fact that we live in the same country, I have nothing in common with the Pres. What kind of independent thinking human being would abide by such guidelines as call for them to blindly support someone they don't agree with. Sounds quite Taliban-ish to me, Achmed.
Beat it with your worthless rhetoric.
Submitted by Jimmy (user info) at 2005-03-01 18:54:12 EST (#)
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You can't seem to get your head around the fact that you are very, very stupid and should therefore avoid expressing opinions.
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 18:46:24 EST (#)
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The post doesn't say anything about following a nation's administration like drones, Nazis, or the like.
In fact petitioning is great, hell I have signed a few. I have also written congressman voicing my arguments. Just don't allow foreigners to bash America, and don't trash talk your president to them.
My point is also proven by FelizJbirth and the way he feels he can bash America openly. Everyone sat and ate their Little Debbie Cakes and giggled at his "America is stupid" type replies.
You are right it is hard to discuss politics without name calling.
It is even more difficult for me to allow someone not from my country, bash my country.
If you want to criticize a nation, start with your own. Or is Canada's leadership that much better than the US?
Submitted by will72 (user info) at 2005-03-01 18:23:26 EST (#)
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Along what Loki and Donovan said, the only way to have national pride is to dissent. If we are all drones that cannot have any emotion we wouldn't have anything to be proud of, the country would suck. But no, we can dissent and petition Congress to address our greivences (amendment 1)!! This land is free and a little questioning never hurt anything.
On another topic your post just plain sucked. kthxbye
Submitted by FelizJbirth (user info) at 2005-03-01 18:22:23 EST (#)
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Yeah, for a while there it was looking like "Brave New World" was taking the lead but 1984 has made an incredible comeback.
Submitted by DonovanMD (user info) at 2005-03-01 18:16:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-03-01 17:31:12 (#)
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you have got to be shitting me
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
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The older I get and the more I look at the world we live in, the more amazed I am at how realistic and genius 1984 was. 55+ years ago no less.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-03-01 17:31:12 EST (#)
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you have got to be shitting me
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
Submitted by FelizJbirth (user info) at 2005-03-01 17:14:58 EST (#)
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Here's a +2 to make up for the other -2s - I don't know if I broke an Ubercode or something. Besides, you've obviously peaked my interest so maybe a -1 or 0 would have been fairer originally. Regardless, this could go on for a long time - I personally think it's embarrasing to defend people who really don't care about you. I can only talk from a Canadian standpoint, but I'm certain the United States is even worse in this regard. After all, the entire political system is designed to be run by two private interests with different names.
The only thing that people such as you and I disagree on worth discussing is whether or not we trust our leadership. It's not really something that can be argued. I could attempt to show you document after document proving that these people are actually only in it for money or maybe you could come up with something to make me change my mind. However, until this fundamental difference in opinion is resolved, it's very difficult to delve too deeply into politics without it ending up in namecalling etc. It's kind of like an atheist discussing their favorite passages from the bible with a Christian.
Submitted by DonovanMD (user info) at 2005-03-01 17:09:32 EST (#)
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This was pretty good. Unfortunatly not quite good enough for me not to linkwhore you.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/60955
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:55:03 EST (#)
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We are the land of the free. Be free and enjoy your time. But why would anyone want to embarrass their country by making fun of their selves (and yes, making fun of you nations leadership to the world is making fun of yourself).
I also never mentioned America in the post. Pick any country, if their leadership was under scrutiny and their people openly make fun of that administration, the world laughs at them a little more because of their stupidity.
Don't follow blindly, just use your indoor voice when you complain.
If you don't like what I say you only need to -2 once, that is the practice around here isn't it?
Submitted by FelizJbirth (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:36:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:25:11 (#)
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Your right, America was founded dissent. However it was dissent towards a colonizing foreign government.
The vehicle for that dissension was a rebellion, the goal of which was a new independent nation.
That's a little different than complaining and bashing your own country on the internet
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It's funny because I always thought Democracy was supposed to be what the majority of people wanted. If the people you consider to be "complainers" and "bashers" (and by the way, this very post is nothing more than a COMPLAINT itself) suddenly become the majority of the population, do we need something other than Democracy?
You're never going to find people who are going to agree with you your whole life so you'd better get used to respecting people's opinions. Don't let a few nutballs, of which all sides of the spectrum have no shortage, convince you that everyone who disagrees with you is hateful. Believe it or not, it is possible to exchange ideas with people you disagree with without letting hate and anger enter into the discussion.
Submitted by FelizJbirth (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:27:44 EST (#)
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Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:14:43 (#)
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we're turning into a bunch of milktoast pussies who just crouch in the shadows, flinging poo at something we don't like
don't complain unless you have a solution. (kerry was not a solution)
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There are plenty of proposed solutions to be found. You're right about Kerry not being one of them.
The problem is that once an alternate solution is proposed it tends to be labelled as "complaining" or "whining".
We didn't stub our toe. We didn't spill milk. We're not upset because our favorite TV show isn't on this week. This is politics. It has implications for every aspect of our lives. I think it's only fair that we should be able to have a reasonable political dialogue without accusing people of being pussies, whiners and so on and so on. Are Republicans whiners by complaining about Roe vs Wade? Are Republicans whiners for all the times they've publicly disagreed with a currently standing law or precedent? No, they are pursuing their own political agenda just as everyone else is. Most of us call it "fighting", not "complaining". Of course, if one doesn't do ANYTHING and still continues to complain then you have the right to call them whatever you want. Hell, you do anyway.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:27:01 EST (#)
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Fucking bloody Christ, you are a primitive little man, aren't you?
No, if my dad was a raging drunk, I would not not honor him.
You have a child's ignorance - Don't speak anymore.
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:25:11 EST (#)
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Your right, America was founded dissent. However it was dissent towards a colonizing foreign government.
The vehicle for that dissension was a rebellion, the goal of which was a new independent nation.
That's a little different than complaining and bashing your own country on the internet
Submitted by BoogieFevuh (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:24:27 EST (#)
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So...we're not the "land of the free" anymore? And we're all supposed to blindly approve of what's going on in our country, just because its our country, right? Hey this sounds kind of familiar. Reminds me of WORLD WAR 2, in which the Germans followed Hitler because their pride was hurt, were filled with nationalistic propoganda, and were thusly blind to the atrocities they were commiting, all in the name of being Patriots.
And please, don't say something stupid like "You're uninformed!" or "You're just like those other liberals, comparing Bush to Hitler!" Because I'm not. I'm comparing your mindset to that of the Nazis.
Get bent.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:21:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:05:48 (#)
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Okay I used a word incorrectly. Read past it.
I am simply saying to not bash your own country to the entire world, even if you don't approve of everything that goes on.
If your dad was a drunk and you hated him for it you would still kick someone's ass if they laughed at him. That is if you have any honor.
Wow. You used A WORD incorrectly. In fact you used THE ONLY WORD THAT MATTERED incorrectly. If you are dumb enough to not question the government or powers that be in any faction of society, you are a complete fool.
I don't bash my country to the rest of the world. Our idiot President and his lying decietful administration does enough.
Submitted by Jimmy (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:19:50 EST (#)
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Stupidities new benchmark.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:18:58 EST (#)
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It all started with social security in the first place. It made us a nation that expects the world to owe them something.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:14:43 EST (#)
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we're turning into a bunch of milktoast pussies who just crouch in the shadows, flinging poo at something we don't like
don't complain unless you have a solution. (kerry was not a solution)
Submitted by FelizJbirth (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:14:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:05:48 (#)
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Okay I used a word incorrectly. Read past it.
I am simply saying to not bash your own country to the entire world, even if you don't approve of everything that goes on.
If your dad was a drunk and you hated him for it you would still kick someone's ass if they laughed at him. That is if you have any honor.
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It doesn't matter how many spelling errors you made it wouldn't outweigh the errors of simple logic. The United States was founded on dissent. Just because it's not considered "dissent" now it doesn't mean it wasn't then. You seem to refer to people who don't agree with either you or presumably the Bush administration as "America bashers". Well, I guess that makes the founding fathers of your "Britain bashers"?
My point is this: the United States prides itself on being the most free country in the world and we're getting to the point now where even the powerless are angry at and conveniently categorize people who dare question ANYTHING that makes them uncomfortable.
About the "drunk dad" analogy - look, there's nothing wrong with patriotism, but there IS something wrong with blind patriotism or flat-out nationalism. As I said, the United States is a country created from dissent so it strikes me as rather odd that you would view dissent as unpatriotic. Well, I wish it did strike me as odd actually - this is what common political discourse is coming to and I don't think it's going to get any better.
Submitted by ihurtFeellings (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:05:48 EST (#)
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Okay I used a word incorrectly. Read past it.
I am simply saying to not bash your own country to the entire world, even if you don't approve of everything that goes on.
If your dad was a drunk and you hated him for it you would still kick someone's ass if they laughed at him. That is if you have any honor.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-03-01 16:02:55 EST (#)
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actually, poor spelling and grammar skills are what will destroy the country, rather than 'dissention', but who cares at this point...
Submitted by Glam_Daddy2 (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:59:07 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by FelizJbirth (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:57:49 EST (#)
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Once upon a time there 13 happy colonies. Some of the colonists dared to criticize the relationship between the colonies to their Monarch in Britain and it ended up in a huge revolutionary war.
Basically you're saying that anything you disagree with or, in your case, makes you emotionally uncomfortable, is dissent.
Thanks for reminding us how important it is to make sure people aren't allowed to express their opinions if they disagree with us you hypocritical dumbass.
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:49:53 EST (#)
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The US is a country just like any other. It just happens to be younger, richer and much more powerful than any other. Although some anti-Americanism can be attributed to the envy of the have-nots, most is inspired by your countries ACTIONS, not its SUCCESS.
People like you need to learn the distinction.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:47:32 EST (#)
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Actually, it's just dissent.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:46:50 EST (#)
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How strikingly unprofound.
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:46:32 EST (#)
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It's dissension Son, but I get the point, so here's +1.
Now shaddap.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-03-01 15:45:18 EST (#)
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Gone is the intelligence.