The Death Penalty IS Justified (1563 hits)
Category: NoneRating: 0.36 on 33 reviews (Rate this item) (V)
Submitted by Jabroni (View user info) at 2005-03-03 22:46:34 EST
Thx to http://www.ubersite.com/m/61166 for inspiration.
Capital punishment is justified because the brutality of certain crimes can only be reprimanded through the death penalty. It is the only appropriate punishment for crimes such as mass murder, rape, first degree murder, murder for hire, and killing an officer of law. It Pays Proper Respect to the Importance of Human Life, it is that simple.
During the moratorium, [1968-1972] the annual murder rate rose significantly in the US. From 1965 to 1980 it blasted from 9,960 to 23,040! You may say that, what happened to the eight years after the Death Penalty was put back into effect. It took many ears for every state to readmit their laws on it. Even if five potential murderers decided not to kill because of the consequences, that makes it right to have the Death Penalty. Another statistic to help support this: the murder rate [homicides per 100,000 persons] doubled, from 5.1 to 10.2. This increase did not occur because of a coincidence, it occurred because the murderers knew that the worst outcome could only be prison. When murderers are executed, innocent lives are saved. And when executions are stopped, innocent lives are lost.
Patterns are quite obvious in counties or states that have the Death Penalty compared to the counties or states that do not. Especially in counties or states that used the Death Penalty, had it go on moratorium, and then had it come back into effect. For example, take Harris County, in Texas near the Dallas area. Since the resumption of executions in 1982, the annual number of Harris County murders has plummeted from 701 to 241.
The truth is that capital punishment in America is the most accurate and carefully administered criminal sanction in the world. It has the best attorneys; you get years upon years of appeals, and tons of media coverage [Laci Peterson]. If there is a mistake, then it will be found, and that's the truth.
Having a socially just criminal system demands equal standards of sentencing. Those who think capital punishment is not socially just are at fault. These are the people who are not able to distinguish the just difference between the punishment and the crime. Those who argue that the Death Penalty is barbaric and that human life is sacred are not able to morally tell the difference between punishment and criminal acts themselves. What about the lives of those helplessly murdered?
Look up every single statistic that I said, they are all 100% true. I got some from the Boston Globe and U.S. Catholic.
User Reviews
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-04-01 19:20:25 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-03-27 23:58:33 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
she just fuckin' posted man. check before you flame.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-03-26 03:45:29 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I just realized that you might not be Christian and you probably think that I assumed that based on your politics, which I didn't; I assumed that because for some reason I think that I can remember you saying you were on another post somewhere.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-03-26 03:42:59 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm an athiest, and think that your 'bush_for_god' handle is disrespectful to your religon, but you're correct. It was also written pretty well.
I do think that it's extremely dangerous because if some one is later found innocent, you can't let them free and give them money if they're dead.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:36:49 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
I havn't seen Garden State yet. Is it a good movie? I've heard good things. Anyway, thanks for your input on the Darko Thread. You should check it out: people are contributing some funny/mean/lame/insightful stuff.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/62369
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-10 02:23:24 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Perzik, there was a supreme court ruling recently that precluded mentally challenged individuals from being executed by the state.
Submitted by Perzik (user info) at 2005-03-10 02:10:00 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
Well, first off, I believe that an officer of the law and a citizen deserve the same respect and if either are murdered there should be equal punishment. Secondly, the justice system in place is an odd and unfair one. Many men, innocent or guilty have been imprisoned and are left on death row, often until the end of their term. The death penalty is also unfair in the case of the mentally retarded or others mentally disabled, who are unable to distinguish right from wrong and who can often get caught or lured into these serious crimes. In summing it all up, the American justice system must be highy revised to suit the spectrum of people it affects.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-10 01:45:45 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-03-10 01:37:41 (#)
Ranking: 1
now i'm going to look up what incapacitating means
Submitted by Brianthetruthspeaker (user info) at 2005-03-04 09:30:52 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Homicide refers to criminal and noncriminal murder (unjustified killing distinguished from manslaughter by malice aforethought). Killing to prevent the commission of a serious felony (a heinous crime of a high grade) or self-defense (justification for inflicting harm as a means of protection) are considered justifiable, . A criminal homicide is not excusable by the criminal code. Legal systems make distinctions between types of homicide.
Murder is a homicide committed intentionally or as a result of the commission of another offense and includes killings caused by recklessness, emotional outburst, or provocation. Murder charges in Anglo-American systems require intent, or malice aforethought including "transferred intent" (one who intends to kill but kills another person in error, intent is inferred from recklessness or endangerment.
Submitted by Brianthetruthspeaker (user info) at 2005-03-04 09:01:03 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
On Tuesday, a majority of the United States Supreme Court ruled it was cruel and unusual punishment for anyone under the age of 18 to receive a death penalty sentence. So, Stephen McGilberry and four other Mississippi death row inmates got a constitutional free pass back to Parchman's general population.
McGilberry was 16 when he committed the murders, and 17 when a jury convicted him of capital murder and ordered him to die by lethal injection.
Beverly Grace was on that jury. When she was asked if she still felt McGilberry should die for the crimes he committed on October 24, 1994, she said, "That's the way I voted then, and I still think so."
Grace tries not to think much about the testimony she heard of a baseball bat wielding teen striking four people, including a three year old child. She said it was pretty easy to convict McGilberry of capital murder.
"I think he got what he deserved. And I've never had second thoughts about it at all," she said.
Grace does remembers her jury wrestling with the fact that it was a 16 year old who brutally attacked his family.
"I think this child was, and he was a child, was a true bad seed," she said.
The jury took just an hour and a half to convict the teenage killer. It agreed that McGilberry deserved to be executed.
Nine years later, the United States Supreme Court overturned that sentence, saying the Constitution forbids the execution of killers who were under the age of 18 when they committed their crimes.
Grace isn't comfortable with the high court's ruling, especially after hearing the McGilberry testimony.
"He is evil. That's my feeling. And apparently the feeling of 11 others," she said.
Tony Lawrence and David Ishee were McGilberry's first court appointed defense attorneys.
"As a court appointed attorney, we did everything we could to protect his rights," Lawrence said.
Almost a decade later, the defense attorney is Jackson County's DA -- a prosecutor who in this case has a much different view on the death penalty than the Supreme Court.
"I'm shocked that they would take the position that regardless of the crime a juvenile 16-17 commits, that he wouldn't be subjected to the death penalty," Lawrence said. "They certainly understand the seriousness and the consequences of their acts at 16 and 17."
Grace will never forget how McGilberry showed no emotion while jury heard gruesome testimony and his taped confession. She stands behind her decision to sentence him to death.
"He was a young kid. But he had done an awful thing. And he would do it again," she said.
There are 72 juvenile offenders in 19 states who had their death sentences thrown out by Tuesday's Supreme Court ruling. According to a legal expert in Jackson, the five Mississippi inmates will likely receive life sentences without parole.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-04 08:18:18 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
1. This post is on an interesting (though overly discussed) topic. As such, if you want a +2 your writing must be perfect and your points origional. While you have done well in the grouping and organization of your ideas, you have not made especially origional points or written an especially interesting piece. In all I give it the +1 because you used statistics which seem authentic. I wouldn't quote you, but I'm not going to worry about disproving you either.
In regards to Death Jester's responce: I think what you have said is innaccurate. Certainly, those would be extenuating circumstances.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2005-03-04 06:41:45 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
A serial rapist goes unapprehended in your local area for several weeks. Coming upon your house, he finds your mother and 12 year old sister at home. He bludgeons both of them and violates them until any hope of a normal life is impossible for them. You arrive home while he's still atop your sister. She's regained consciousness and is screaming at the pain this man, maybe twice her size, is inflicting on her.
You pick up the largest blunt object you can find and you hit him across the back of the skull. He falls limply off your sister, who rolls away screaming and crying. You don't stop hitting him, though. You hit the man until all that remains is a pool of blood on the floor, and a bag of fluid and bone shards within his clothing. The police were alerted earlier by neighbours due to the screaming of your sister, and arrive to see you holding a weapon, covered in blood, staring down at something no longer distinguishable as a human being.
By your theory above, you should die. I don't agree.
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-03-04 03:36:01 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
i started an ubertrend.
w00t
Submitted by grandturismo (user info) at 2005-03-04 02:29:00 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by MoneyG (user info) at 2005-03-04 02:08:05 (#)
Ranking: 2
Know what dickhead? I may not agree with this guy completely, but the next time you make a comment like that about the US, and I'm fucking serious, we're gonna blow you and pitiful little country off the motherfucking globe. We just don't fucking need it right now.
*************
That's pretty unique for an American mentality. Instead of "we'll invade you because we kick ass", it's "we'll invade you because you hurt our feelings."
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-04 02:12:01 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
who are you ranting about, money?
Submitted by MoneyG (user info) at 2005-03-04 02:08:05 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Know what dickhead? I may not agree with this guy completely, but the next time you make a comment like that about the US, and I'm fucking serious, we're gonna blow you and pitiful little country off the motherfucking globe. We just don't fucking need it right now.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-04 01:59:35 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by grandturismo (user info) at 2005-03-03 23:58:38 (#)
Ranking: -2
This doesn't have to make sense: to support the death penalty is to be an American hick just like your annoyingly patriotic brothers.
=================
This, from the author of this: http://www.ubersite.com/m/61007
You are a hypocritical know nothing fuckwit.
Submitted by r1nce (user info) at 2005-03-04 00:30:46 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
"If you take a life, you abrogate your right to life."
Kim Stanley Robinson - Green Mars
Similarly...
Rapists should be castrated.
Eye for an eye etc...
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-03-04 00:23:48 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
it took me a sec to figure out if this was real or an elaborate sarcastic post. um, i agree with the death penalty.
Submitted by Joemama (user info) at 2005-03-04 00:18:55 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
No Comment
Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-03-04 00:14:22 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
If there is a mistake, then it will be found, and that's the truth.
___________
Except when it isn't.
Submitted by hungovermondays (user info) at 2005-03-04 00:13:33 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I think this a good show at persuasive writting but ultimatly poorly thought through.
1-people that kill people are not thinking of the consequences. either they think they won't get caught, or are enraged and thus not thinking, or are incapable of caring, aka sociopaths.
so the death penalty as a deterrant does not really work.
2-it is not a fail safe method. once you gas someone, they aint going to come back when it is discovered someone else did the crime. FOR FUCKS SAKE, we are counting on the police to do a good job? they are lazy fucks JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. they want the simple answer, and will incriminate accordingly. life is not an episode of law and order.
3-fuck this, figure it out yourself. Justice is a farce.
Submitted by grandturismo (user info) at 2005-03-03 23:58:38 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
At age 15, Christopher Pittman received 30 years in prison. Fucking...age...15. Personally, I agree with what he did. Old people are stupid and horrible, as my first point. Secondly, his grandpa PADDLED him, and in my opinion, THAT deserves the death penalty. If I ran that court, I would've let him off the hook and said to him "Thanks for doing justice for us!"
Law in the U.S is ass-backwards. Fucking loopholes and shit everywhere, it would be better if it was damn simple. Supporters of the death penalty forget that there are some social factors that make people do what they do.
When Scott Peterson was given the death sentence in court, I was watching CNN (because it was finally fucking over, this stupid court case), and they had a live audio feed. When the judge said "death", EVERY GODAMN CALIFORNIAN HICK outside the courthouse cheered like the mob that they are. It reminded me of Tim McVeigh's execution, where they had a little circus outside his execution chamber, selling t-shirts, and news crews and shit. What the fuck is wrong with America?
Wouldn't it be simpler if high-profile court cases were open-shut cases, that lasted one week? Take Martha Stewart, Michael Jackson for example. Supposedly Michael Jackson's in court now, but by what I've learned about U.S law, yesterday was opening statements, and 2 weeks later, they're going to go into cross-examinations.
This doesn't have to make sense: to support the death penalty is to be an American hick just like your annoyingly patriotic brothers.
Let me ask you this: how come there has been NO terrorist captured by the U.S officially executed? Quite a double-standard!
Submitted by Thored (user info) at 2005-03-03 23:54:09 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I'd rate this if it had a little more content.
Good stuff, I guess. I dunno, you have an ok point.
Submitted by OnlyBigbear (user info) at 2005-03-03 23:41:18 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Agreed. There are more arguments that support you, but you basically said what needs to be said.
Submitted by the_lone_stranger (user info) at 2005-03-03 23:21:39 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
kill everything that moves
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-03 23:04:56 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
Yeah, that was pretty fuckin lame.
When do you turn 18?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-03-03 23:03:13 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-03-03 22:57:43 (#)
Ranking: -2
It Pays Proper Respect to the Importance of Human Life
-----
HAH!
-----
But yeah, -2 for this.
Submitted by epiphany (user info) at 2005-03-03 23:00:14 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
Uh, a rise in murder rate could be due to any number of factors. 47% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-03-03 22:57:43 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
It Pays Proper Respect to the Importance of Human Life
-----
HAH!
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-03 22:55:23 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
WWJD?
http://www.ubersite.com/m/61004
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-03-03 22:54:37 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
Interesting statistics.
Submitted by Zackstersmackster (user info) at 2005-03-03 22:53:06 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Goddamn right!