More stolen aspects of manliness for Friday (538 hits)
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Submitted by Cuberat (View user info) at 2005-03-04 12:32:57 EST
Ok, even though this (http://www.ubersite.com/m/61200) is -2 material because "living under stars" just copied and pasted, it provided the inspiration for my own rant on manliness.
What happened to the days when fighting was not only accepted, but the way to solve matters of respect?
Case in point:
A couple months ago I was at a bar for a co-worker's birthday. It was an all-u-can-drink event which was not specifically planned for this guy's b-day, but he organized a bunch of people to go. I took my girlfriend and my friend Adam with me to the bar.
Well, we're there drinking and chilling at a table about a half hour or so after getting there. Mind you I've only had 2-3 boilermakers (A shot and a beer for those who aren't familiar with the term) and this guy comes up right in front of me to hit on my girl. I mean, its quite obvious that she is with me, and here is this asshole hitting on her right in front of me. Now, this guy was smart, it only took a couple words from her and a mean look from me and he apologized and walked away.
However, a couple hours later another, more intoxicated asshole had the balls to do the same thing. He didn't have the benefit of my sobriety or his own class on his side like the first guy. To top it off, this guy wouldn't just go away after my girl told him I was her boyfriend and even gestured over to me. This really, really, pissed me off.
I then did something that seemed totally appropriate to me both at the time and now. I gave the guy fair verbal warning: fuck off or else. He decided he would find out what the or else was.
So I grab this guy by his fucking shirt and loudly ask him what his fucking problem is. Some of my co-workers stand up to back me (all male), and this guy starts running his mouth. So I respond with what any guy with balls would: A forceful right to his face.
He doesn't even react. His friends rush over to fuck with me, which consisted of getting a bouncer and his friends getting all in my face. As it turned out, I didn't even get kicked out of the bar, the bouncer didn't really care, he just walked over and broke up the crowd.
However, this brings me to my point (sorry it took so long): Why is fighting so ostracized in our society? I ask this because the reaction of my girlfriend, this guy's (male) friends and the group of my co-workers that didn't jump up to back me was one of shock. It made me realize that there are way too many people, female AND MALE who think that a person is "uncivilized" and/or "out of control" if they believe in the old concept of two guys (or two girls for that matter) settling such a difference with their fists.
Now I must add my disclaimer, I don't encourage rampant violence such as shooting people or stabbing people, etc. in these disputes. But I ask you, have we become a soft society? Are too many guys in America turning into total metro-sexual pansies? What happened to real men who settled things with fists and brawls? Are we being taken over by pansy-asses or am I just not seeing the segment of people who think like I do?
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Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2005-09-30 08:36:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Brianthetruthspeaker (user info) at 2005-03-16 16:49:21 EST (#)
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(this is about anwr first ok? then ill resond to your post)
The Administration firmly believes that we can develop energy at home while protecting the environmental values we all hold dear," Secretary Norton said. "The Coastal Plain of ANWR's 1002 area is the nation's single greatest onshore oil reserve.
The USGS estimates that it contains a mean expected value of 10.4 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil. To put that into context, the potential daily production from ANWR's 1002 area is larger than the current daily onshore oil production of any of the lower 48 states."
Secretary Norton reiterated the Interior Department's support for energy production in the far Northern Coastal Plain of ANWR - the area set aside for possible oil and gas production in 1980 by President Carter and a Democratically-controlled Congress.
Energy production in Alaska's Northern Coastal Plain will reduce dependence on foreign oil; will create new jobs; is strongly supported by organizations that represent working men and women; and will protect wildlife with the toughest environmental regulations ever applied.
Well now, there are the facts.
I am sure you care, have you ever seen ANWR.
It is not some pristine forest with bambi playing in the flowers.
However, it should be carefully used.
One of the major problems is the refining capability in the US.
In addition, as you might want to know the oil Recovered for the ANWR would not go into the US oil reserves
But into the world oil market.
And Thus lowering the price worldwide.
I do not know how old you are, but I am guessing at least 21.
When I was younger, I fought a lot.
Not because I was an asshole but I was handicapped and wore, leg braces (like Forrest Gump) so I was an easy target.
(When I was 10 years old.) I got my ass beat
Around the time, I turned 13 and the braces came off I was holding my own.
Win some lose some.
Buy the time I was a senior in high school and the Indiana I.S.H.A.A. wrestling state champion
I had a reputation and did not have to fight anymore.
After I Got to be your age I did not fight often, I was in the Navy and when I did have to.
(Self-defense always I assure you, I Never lost!)
Could have it been the CQB training? (That's close quarter battle) for you non-military types.
Now son I am 45 and here is what I learned about fighting.
Someone even acts like they are going to start something, watch their body language.
If they look down, or start blinking, clinching an unclenching their fists.
Drop the hammer. (80% of the time the guy who lands the first punch wins) Then move out. Do not stand around get you and your girlfriend out of dodge.
60% of guys like that come back in or wait for you outside, even fuck with your car if he can
40% of them get a shot at you during that time.
22% have a knife or gun and want you to piss your self
14% will hurt you with them.
So consider yourself lucky you beat the odds.
Next time move your party.
Submitted by blank_mind (user info) at 2005-03-04 19:28:53 EST (#)
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You pussy.. You hit the guy first and he was still standing? and that was it?
Swing like a man
I did'nt even know fighting had gone out of fashion. Its not uncivilised people just cant do it right anymore.
On the otherhand if anyone has ever seen a fight go to face-jumping than you should know that its not a game, its not honour, hell its not even romantic, fighting someone you don't know is 50-50.
If you can fight than fight when necessary, but from what you described, there's a good chance youd be getting your jaw wired if things had gone differently.
Submitted by Kraven (user info) at 2005-03-04 15:54:11 EST (#)
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So in other words your friend whacked you with a beer bottle, you hit him and it was over? Seems pretty pointless to me, i say cut out the pain and drink a beer.
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2005-03-04 13:50:36 EST (#)
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Once, a friend of mine bounced a beer bottle off my head during an argument. I clipped him on the jaw, he went down. I helped him up and we went back into the bar for another beer. Done deal.
Submitted by PWNstar (user info) at 2005-03-04 13:24:37 EST (#)
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+2 for doing linking my post and adding originality.
Submitted by Kre8rix (user info) at 2005-03-04 13:13:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:58:48 (#)
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The problem with solving disputes by fighting is that the person who is 'right' is not necessarily going to be the one who wins the fight. As a civilized society, we've supposedly evolved beyond alpha male monkey domination. Besides, there is too great of a possibility of escalation. You are wronged, you try to solve it with your fist, you get your ass kicked, so you go get bang stick the great equalizer.
livin' in the wild wild west
wild west
Plus, seriously you shouldn't hit someone in the face. There are too many bones in the face and you could really hurt your hand.
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Thats what I was talking about. No one can just take their licks and walk away. There's no honor anymore. It all comes down to everyone wanting to win so bad that they will do anything to achieve it.
I remember getting in fights with people and helping them up when it was over. Eventually people just stopped trying to fight with me. It's amazing how a little respect will change peoples attitude after they get the shit beaten out of them. Most people are unwilling to admit that humans are a violent species. They like to think they we can 'reason' our way out of those instincts. I don't think we can, but I also don't think that we should totally lose our humanity in the process. Tempers are always going to flare, violence will always be part of who we are as a species. That doesn't mean we can't be civil about it.
Ok I'm done, I'm off to throw poo at people.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:58:48 EST (#)
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The problem with solving disputes by fighting is that the person who is 'right' is not necessarily going to be the one who wins the fight. As a civilized society, we've supposedly evolved beyond alpha male monkey domination. Besides, there is too great of a possibility of escalation. You are wronged, you try to solve it with your fist, you get your ass kicked, so you go get bang stick the great equalizer.
livin' in the wild wild west
wild west
Plus, seriously you shouldn't hit someone in the face. There are too many bones in the face and you could really hurt your hand.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:58:30 EST (#)
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From how you described it, and I may be wrong, but I wouldn't back you up unless you were a close friend. You hit a drunk guy who wasn't ready, unless he had his hands up it is a cheapshot. However if I was one of his friends, I would have no problem responding in kind. Maybe I got it wrong and he was ready fro the punch, who knows.
I haven't gotten in a real fight since college, Most I won, and the only ones I lost were when I got sucker punched, or kicked while on the ground(by someone who I was fighting with on the grounds friend). I don't think it is uncivilized or out of control unless the numbers are off, or someone cheapshots, I can't stand that. But the main reason people can't do that anymore because even if you do win and the other guy started it in a litigious society like ours you can still get your ass sued. I don't plan on getting in another fight except to break it up, unless me or someone I love is in danger of serious injury (unless I am drunk, then cromagnum indoninja has different ideas).
Submitted by HZRD (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:57:13 EST (#)
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i don't like violence because i don't want to think of daddy hitting mommy again!
Submitted by algermetiphist (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:57:10 EST (#)
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A good fight can almost always solve a problem; especially since I'm bigger than just about everyone in a 50 mile radius. It works well for my side of the arguement.
Submitted by Kraven (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:56:45 EST (#)
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Well, i myself was at a party last summer and i had been talking to this girl. We were only friends and we had discussed alot of things she disliked or happened in her previous relationship. I gave her my opinnion and low and he hold she used that to tell him off one night, dropping my name. Now that sucks for me because i didnt want to start anything, but when a guy cheats on a girl and i say hes a piece of shit for it he deserves it right? Well he showed up to this party not to hang out or drink solely to threaten my life (which is a joke because its happened before, kid once told me he'd rip out my spine)
Well he comes up to me after i took a hell-of-a-relaxing piss, you know the drunken piss of ecstasy. He instantly started screaming how im talking shit and spreading lies about him. Now why would i fight this guy? I said sit down, tell me what your mad about and we'll work out a solution. All he could tell me was "You know" and at the time, i didnt. Im the type of guy who would rather talk out a problem then throw a fist. Mainly because once the fights over, what have you accomplished? In my case, i still wouldnt have known what i was fighting about (which the whole thing turned out to be based on a lie anyway) and im sorry but your pissed at me? Im not going to let you pound my pretty face in just so you feel better... Fuck that go whack off and think about why people hate you. *No thats not dirrected to the author* But seriously what does fighting proove other than whos faster, stronger, and can take more punches?
+1 for the honest questions
Submitted by Kre8rix (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:52:48 EST (#)
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Fighting is fun,
But most people are either there to puff out their chest and inflate their egos, or they're pussies who resort to weapons because they can't handle themselves.
Either way it's just annoying.
There's just no honor or respect for a good fight anymore.
It is indeed a sad sad day.
Come to AZ, I'll back you up anyday.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:46:16 EST (#)
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Good point, but brawling usually creates far more problems than it solves.
Submitted by the_mysterious_stranger (user info) at 2005-03-04 12:45:57 EST (#)
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A-men. I miss the good ole days too. Don't know about the US, but here in Germany it IS pretty much ostracized