The Global Consciousness Project, my thoughts, and yours, if you want. (870 hits)
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Submitted by Jay Peg <jgreening> (View user info) at 2005-03-09 17:38:02 EST
Firstly, this post is based on a few things.
First, it is based on a post from Davros called "Analysis of a Dream. Sometimes Truth is Stranger Than Fiction."
This is the URL
http://www.ubersite.com/m/61584
Also, this reply by Jared
http://www.ubersite.com/m/61584#1196461
which points out this page
http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126649#121
Now, before reading ANYTHING beyond this point, please read all three pages first.
Done?
OK.
My belief is that this phenomenon *IS* part of a "global mind" reacting to major events before they happen.
However, I don't belive people are sensing these events before they happen.
I belive the events have happened before, uncounted times.
Why would I think that?
It's based on a lot fo reading I've done over the past few years.
I belive that our universe is cyclical. It expands and contracts, over hundreds of billions of years.
BUT, it always does so in the exact same manner.
Every bit of matter.
Every wave of energy.
Every gust of wind could have happened thousands, even millions of times before.
But of course, we don't realize it.
This is our first time through the loop.
Physically, that is.
Our minds, or if you want to use the term, our souls, have been present since the very beginning.
It's a very VERY fragmented, loose version of my belief structure.
It, in whole, incorporates science, religion, the paranormal, the spiritual, and life itself in one not-so-tidy, ever evolving format.
Just think, what if there *IS* a "god" out "there".
What if he did start the universe in a single instant of glory.
What's so wrong about that singular idea?
And what if you really ARE destined to do everything we do, because of this rebound effect, but we don't know it, and act on "free will" because for the most part, we don't KNOW everything has happened before and will happen again.
If what I feel is true actually is, the why WOULDN'T our minds/souls react to something before it happens?
What are your thoughts?
Do you agree?
Disagree?
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Submitted by Feijuada (user info) at 2005-03-10 21:23:38 EST (#)
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Nayarlathotep keeps us all in check with fear.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-10 21:06:03 EST (#)
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Is that nebula flipping me off?
Submitted by Umbilical_Cord (user info) at 2005-03-10 16:06:13 EST (#)
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Its a nice thing to think about when you're stoned, but until there's any strong repeatable, evidence for this, its just going be a pipe dream of new age hippy types.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-03-10 15:47:57 EST (#)
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It's an interesting proposition you make.
My belief is that the existence of life on this planet is basically a random consequence of the transference of universal matter/energy. We weren't created by, nor are we mediated by, any "supreme being" that exists outside the ecological matrix of living beings.
Lots of people believe that there is some "force" that binds us all, and that's just fine with me. I just don't buy it.
Submitted by comrade_uber (user info) at 2005-03-10 15:29:09 EST (#)
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Really interesting concept. I actually had a theory about all this a long time ago and was considering recently making an "After The Pandemic" type story chain from this concept. If I find the time, or stop being lazy as hell, I may still go through with it.
To summarize an extremely simplified version of the theory I would base a story on, my idea is why does this "Global Consciousness" just have to contain thoughts and consciousness? What if there was an actual literal field, similarly to gravity or invisible radiation, that exists surrounding the Earth which our minds are able to somewhat link to? What if the individuals that have telenkinetic abilities, or any abnormal abilities, are just people whose minds are able to tap into this field much stronger than average individuals?
I have much more details, a basic outline, and a few other theories that may be a good foundation for quite a few theoretical scientific stories. Let me know if it sounds somewhat intriguing
Submitted by project_nessa (user info) at 2005-03-10 15:24:04 EST (#)
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Did anyone else notice that the cloud to the left of the moon was giving us the bird?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-03-10 11:04:51 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/61654
Sorry for the linkwhore but it is relevant.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-03-10 10:56:24 EST (#)
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Jay, I've talked with JMG about this sort of thing online, but he may not remember the details of the conversation.
I read a reply that inquired whether everything would go in reverse-motion while the universe was contracting. This is not necessarily so. Our experience of the motion of time is certainly linear, and there is evidence suggesting that our universe is expanding.
However, if this universe began to contract, we would witness that instead, also in a linear fashion. Gravitational forces would change, geometries of galaxies would alter, there would be shifts in physical fundamentals that we would either be able to, or not be able to, adjust to and survive.
In other words, the contraction of the universe would almost certainly not cause us to experience time in a reverse linear fashion.
That being said, anything is possible.
A separate thought on this subject of mine is the concept of the infinite. The idea of infinity is not new, I am sure most people reading this are aware of it. However, what is fascinating is just how little our minds are able to comprehend and accept something of that magnitude.
We are small, we are linear, and to ourselves, we are simple.
I believe, however, that like everything else on this planet, we are not simple at all, but part of a very complex and deliberate system that will eventually lead to the birth of a God.
Hear me out.
In an infinite loop, for any given point, there is an arbitrary beginning and end. As a whole, it is exactly that: a whole. It just exists and never really changes. The closer you look, however, especially if you wish to experience it in a stream like fashion (i.e. human consciousness in linear time), the one piece infinite will seem to be an infinite collection of unique moments.
At any rate, people have always thought that there has been a point in history where our Universe was created. Most likely by the influence of a phenomenon we have called God.
My theory states that this God deliberately touched off the recourse necessary to create life with the capability to refresh itself and evolve into intermittently greater beings in each generation. Humanity is merely one step, a bold and fantastic step, but a step none the less.
Eventually, this process with create a being so awesome that it could be considered a God to lesser beings. The purpose of this God's existence is to live during that arbitrary point in "our history" so that the Universe can be born, or re-born, however you wish to look at it.
The point is that all of this exists simultaneously. That God is there as we speak. The Universe is being created and destroyed, as we speak. I am born, alive, living and dead RIGHT NOW. THe only thing is that we are not capable of witnessing anything, in any direction, beyond the point we are collectively at right now.
I have furhter thoughts on our minds that ties into this, but I will save that for a post or perhaps another reply.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-03-10 08:52:00 EST (#)
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Hmm
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2005-03-10 08:29:35 EST (#)
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i have no idea. Ive been waiting for someone to tell me exactly how it all works. now my soul can rest
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2005-03-10 08:04:04 EST (#)
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It's The Force.
Or The Matrix.
Submitted by Chinaski (user info) at 2005-03-10 03:18:42 EST (#)
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Just go be a fucking farmer, if you willingly take part in the system as it exists, you're a fucking piece of donkey foreskin.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2005-03-10 03:00:01 EST (#)
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Make everyone love everyone else.
Problem solved.
Submitted by Demolocke (user info) at 2005-03-10 01:00:11 EST (#)
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I once had a dream where I watched a person walk up to the door of a house and knock, and those knocks corresponded exactly to knocks at my door that woke me up. The timing was perfect, and my mind saw it coming. That was fun.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-03-10 00:47:54 EST (#)
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we'll discuss
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-09 23:08:21 EST (#)
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11:11?
Didn't someone do a totally kick-ass UberMadness post about that?
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-09 22:26:35 EST (#)
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11:11
(Not the time, although it is the Time, as in the Age.)
This will mean nothing to most, but to a few it might. This is just too onerous a topic for me tonight. I want to come back (after reading links tomorrow, but I get the gist) and agree, and hope to contribute in another review. Gotta keep it Uber-Lite tonight. Not much sleep. I want to spend a whole morning reading reviews and links, before I say more. You guys are serving the topic well with your input. Wish I could talk about just this all night. This topic is the nexus of all I believe in, in a world predicated on lies. +++
Submitted by Perzik (user info) at 2005-03-09 22:26:17 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-09 22:24:10 EST (#)
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What about en route to the canyon?
We'll have 4 hours to blow off.
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2005-03-09 22:16:28 EST (#)
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I do have my own personal theory about this...
...which will be discussed over a few bottles of somthin' or other in Vegas.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-09 21:21:09 EST (#)
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Just a quickie.
Zak, a cyclical universe would not "rewind". It would progress through normal time, as a mainly dead universe through the compaction.
The universe you're thinking of is a "self-reversing" universe, where time and matter rewind.
Submitted by Demolocke (user info) at 2005-03-09 19:57:44 EST (#)
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Interesting article from JMG. Interesting stuff all around.
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:51:23 EST (#)
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I totally don't believe it. I don't a correlation.
Worth reading, a solid 0.
Submitted by cheruboo (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:47:52 EST (#)
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fuck off hippie
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:42:02 EST (#)
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A flow of energy that envelopes the world, along with humanity's ability to control it and each other with only their will (the global conscious) has been my philosphy for years.
I am glad that scientists are now developing tools that can observe phenomena supporting the theory. That way people won't think I am a totally fucked up stoner whenever I share my thoughts with them.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:40:01 EST (#)
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i think you're spending a lot of time asking pointless questions you're never going to solve.
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:38:23 EST (#)
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nice picture.
re-reading my first comment, i appear to make very little sense in places. i need to sleep.
it is things like this that make me wish everyone had some kind of basic scientific education. the interest is there, or this post would not be. it's just a shame the general public doesn't have the background of critical thought and notions of physical law and reality to really investigate these ideas individually.
not to insult your intelligence jay. you seem to be well-versed in some science. the elegant universe is an excellent book.
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:34:53 EST (#)
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questions to foil the notion of a cyclical universe:
imagine the universe moves back and forth on a line. right now, we are moving forward.
what happens when we reach the "end" of the cycle. does everything shift into reverse? will lives run backwards, water flow uphill, smashed glass mend itself? will the laws of physics remain unchanged under this transformation?
there is no certain answer to these questions.
as for your speculation about "souls," it is just that. speculation.
believe what you will about the universe and your existence. but don't try to find justification for it in a little box in Edinburgh.
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:29:39 EST (#)
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as a student of science my first instinct on reading these things is to cry "bullshit."
the news article contains no explanation of the phenomena it claims have occurred. it starts from some old experiments (performed by psychologists and doctors, no doubt under less than rigourous circumstances) and a box that throws out random numbers. from these two pieces of information it concludes that the box predicts global "events" and that humans are linked by some kind of global consciousness.
seriously, where the fuck does that come from?
for one thing, this "global event" business is extremely poorly defined. Does a "positive" event like the royal wedding elicit a different reaction than a "negative", such as September the 11th? it would take some hard data to convince me this is real. how do we know the "black box" doesn't throw out wierd shit all the time, and they have highlighted only the special cases when such anomolies coincide with major happenings. after all we know nothing about what this black box in Edinburgh does. which, by the way, i have never heard mentioned in local or national news - and i am from Edinburgh.
this rednova site appears legitimite, or at least reliable, though i have no wayof verifying that.
i have seen reports of credible and widely accepted reports about activity in the brain appearing to occur before the events that stimulate occur. although i know little about this, it occurs over very small timescales (<<second) and appears to have something to do with quantum graininess of space and time over small scales. something poorly understood among the scientific community, and unknown among the general public - of which the readership here is part, and noted for its ignorance.
the idea that predictions made many HOURS before events is related to this is total BOLLOCKS.
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/terror.html - this link is a paper written about the September 11th predictions, complete with graphs and actual data. although i have not read it in depth (it's half 11 at night), graphs which detail the effect of silent prayer on random number generators smack of bullshit.
remember, just because this Roger Nelson has (had) a position at Princeton does not mean he is correct, or to be considered a reliable source.
personally, i do not believe a word of this, for the reasons detailed above.
the notions of global mind you consider are unrelated to the phenomena in the article.
Submitted by vettesrule88 (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:02:56 EST (#)
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i completely agree with you.. very kickass. i also beleive that is why some people see ghosts and whatnot, either soulds that hadve died and are waiting for the next runaround, or "glitches" in time, when things happen at the wrong moment, like a semiexposed photograph, thus the ghostly appearance.
my general idea is that in the end the same things will happpen, but we still have free will, its just that our will makes very little difference in how things play out, i LOVE this kind of crap, its so fun to discuss, IM me sometime anyone who wants to talk about this shit, vettesrule88 is the AIM
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2005-03-09 18:02:29 EST (#)
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I forgot.. check out the myth I wrote into this story.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/50962
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2005-03-09 17:54:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by Davros (user info) at 2005-03-09 17:51:14 EST (#)
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You know If I hadn't read the other stuff up there, (Particularly that piece of shit by Davros) I would have called you a fucking loser for suggesting this.
In all seriousness, that link that Jared posted was an eye opener in many ways, almost as much as what I have recently experienced.
Great picture.
-Dave
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-09 17:51:02 EST (#)
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LG, here's the thing.
As for as ANYTHING you see, hear, know, don't know, etc, you ARE making the choice.
But in the grand scheme, you're not.
Now, I would think that from time to time, on a VERY small scale, something *could* change here and there.
BUt it would take a TREMENDOUS amount of power (will, energy, whatever) to make that change.
And I'm talking about tremendous on the scale of "matter=energy" tremendous.
Read "Big Bang" and "The Elegant Universe" for those numbers.
Submitted by L-Gizzle (user info) at 2005-03-09 17:46:06 EST (#)
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and.... i think you have a very good idea. however, i find the whole "destiny" thing to be a little scary. i like to have control(as do most humans), and this theory completely takes that away. that said, i would also love to find out the truth, BUT i don't think we ever will find out. i think the not knowing is what keeps everything in place. if we KNEW for a fact that this waws true, the next step would be trying to manipulate it, and i don't see that turning out very well.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2005-03-09 17:44:23 EST (#)
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That picture is awesome.
This was deep.
I am going to have to think about
this and get back to you. Right now, all I can
think about is wearing the cute shoes that I just
bought for Vegas.
Submitted by L-Gizzle (user info) at 2005-03-09 17:42:42 EST (#)
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this post reminds me of Donnie Darko
Submitted by dodahdave (user info) at 2005-03-09 17:39:58 EST (#)
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Is that nebula in the upper left flippin' the bird?