Donnie Darko: Did Any of you Get It? (5286 hits)
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Submitted by InkyFingers (View user info) at 2005-03-21 15:00:53 EST
I've got to get this off my chest. Donnie Darko is probably the BEST movie to come out in the last ten years. Unfortunately it is so immensely packed with meaning that I'm positive 99% of you mother fuckers didn't get it. If you did, you probably wouldn't be able to describe it. I can't describe it without getting watery eyes and that kind of sissy crap. The movie is that fucking powerful. It is a masterpiece. One of the best movies ever made. And it's DEFFINITELY more important to this world than most of you. HAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHH HAHAH HAHHA (I'm laughing at you, not with you).
If you think your feeble mind understood it in its entirey, please paraphrase it in your reply to this post. I'll let you know if you're anywhere close.
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Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-01-27 05:21:57 EST (#)
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Watch the directors cut, it's easier to understand (but has a worse soundtrack).
Submitted by Snare (user info) at 2007-01-27 05:08:08 EST (#)
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It's an expression of your limitations as an imagineer,as a writer, and most of all, as a human being that you can't describe to us how this movie moved you.
Instead your attempt at communication is confined to the level of OMG!!!! LIEK!! IT ROXXORS!!!!!!!!
Now this kind of self-referential emphasis is obviously a wonderful thing for you during masturbation, but please, when creating content for other's perusal, try to remember that communication is a process built on creating a <shared> understanding.
You wanker.
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-01-27 04:13:31 EST (#)
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I liked it, I 'got' it. but anyone who can understand quantam mechanics will get it or anyone who got 'the secret' or got 'what the bleep do we know anyway' etc.
There are other movies, but this was awesome. I didn't like your post though
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2005-12-16 15:32:14 EST (#)
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donnie darko was great. there are better. and you're dumb.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-12-16 15:18:00 EST (#)
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It warms my twisted heart to see an old post get heated up again. Do you guys think we could get this on Most Viewed EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think we could. You just have to believe. *Looks at stars.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-12-14 17:20:08 EST (#)
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Jesus Christ we're still talking about this piece of dogshit movie?
Submitted by jagmcmanus (user info) at 2005-12-14 17:17:31 EST (#)
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Its about 2 astral planes that darko gets to go between the old woman in the movie is his subconcoius looking for a rational explanation as to whats happening
Submitted by matnotharry (user info) at 2005-12-14 17:14:41 EST (#)
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Donnie Darko is actually a bit shit
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-12-14 17:09:49 EST (#)
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OK... I think that posed more questions than it answered. Frank was just acting to let him screw around for four weeks?
Thanks for the attempt though. I think I'm going to give up.
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2005-12-14 12:39:50 EST (#)
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Most of the relevant bits here:
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-24 12:41:28 (#)
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Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:27:17 (#)
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"The best interpretation I can give of Frank is that he helps Donnie to do the things Donnie would like to do, but has not had the confidence to do before. Frank doesn't hold Donnie's hand or any bullshit like that, he is more of a guiding spirit, unlocking Donnie's potential. The fact that he helps Donie locate the gun is a VERY good point. That act opens the door for two entirely different interpretations of Spirit Frank's intent. The first, and what I believe to be the most probable, is that Frank is making amends for the pain he causes Donnie. It was a horrible mistake and he comes back to help correct... yadda yadda. I don't see any other reason Frank would come back and help Donnie find the Gun (Unless he was directed to by a higher power, or hperhaps a lower power. I.E. the devil sends him back to deliver the means of his own death.) Anyway, there is no definitive proof in the movie that would explain EXACTLY why Frank comes back. But, that it is a compensatory act seems the most probable in the context of the movie. "
Agreed.
"As to your interpretation of the statement "everybody dies alone" and its validity, an error has been made. You have assumed that Donnie is espoucing a universal truth; when, in fact, he is just a character voicing a belief. Donnie's idea is not reinforced anywhere in the movie, and certainly not in a way that would indicate that Donnie's ideas are an attempt by the director to reveal a truth about the universe. Because this idea of Donnie's is not reinforced it becomes a unique concept to him. It is a "Character trait" that improves the movie's dramatic quality by heightening the degree of sacrifice made by the main character. It is also one of the scripting details that lifts the movie from Great to amazing. "
But, he never had any choice, he was in the grip of fate, if he did not kill the rabbit with the gun provided he would never have survived the crash, it is a paradox
What the "everybody dies alone" statement reinforces is the deliberate confusion the director injects, there is nothing to back up your statements above. Is it ever explained why the grandma death says this, why did the bunny come back to guide Donnie and not Gretchen and how can he save anything when his guide caused the problem in the first place and provides the solution.
This is a lot of window dressing round a basic plot, Donnie was meant to die, instead he was, perceptually only by him, saved to live four weeks and gain enough life experiences so that he could die fulfilled. Am I right?
Specific answers:
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-12-14 12:08:57 (#)
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1. How did Donnie get back in time to his room before the plane engine was going to hit it? He couldn't have just run back there, because the warp he was seeing at the end was the engine leaving the plane, not the engine about to hit the house.
He didn't it was the end of his loop, in real time he died and the last four weeks never happened. Or did it.... (Laughs insanely)
2. If Frank was a normal kid all along, how come he could go back in time as a ghost? And if it's because he was killed in the 'unnatural' time loop, why didn't Donnie's girlfriend come back?
Guilty ghost.
3. Why did Frank bother waking him up to save him in the "first" instance if his entire purpose in coming back in visions was to guide Donnie into shooting him and then fixing it by travelling back and dying?
so he could have a few weeks of life to get up to the shenanigans he allways wanted to. Least you could do when you drive over someone's girl.
4. What the hell was the point of the old woman's house being the scene for the ending? Couldn't it have been any random person who wrote the book?
Apparantly not, had me a sneaky feeling that she knew it was likely for a loop to happen
5. At the beginning when he wakes up in the middle of the road, was that the road where the movie ends? And what does that mean if it is?
It was just to get him out of the house, nice linkage anyhoo.
6. Why does Drew Barrymore persist in having short hair when movies like this consistently prove she looks a million times better with long hair???
She was trying to look intelligent and sophisticated, a hang up of many of your blond americans.
Had a fiance once who looked like Drew, then she split up and dyed her hair black to conform with her black bobbed friends, certainly not in an Emo way, she hates emo, but black is cool.... women
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-12-14 12:23:38 EST (#)
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Just keeping this on the MRR because I need answers.
That said, having read a few of the reviews below, I don't think I'm going to get any. As far as I could tell, the only motivation behind Frank's actions was self-preservation, and if it turns out that it was part of a bigger 'fix the rip in the universe' ploy then I think I'll begin to dislike the movie.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-12-14 12:08:57 EST (#)
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1. How did Donnie get back in time to his room before the plane engine was going to hit it? He couldn't have just run back there, because the warp he was seeing at the end was the engine leaving the plane, not the engine about to hit the house.
2. If Frank was a normal kid all along, how come he could go back in time as a ghost? And if it's because he was killed in the 'unnatural' time loop, why didn't Donnie's girlfriend come back?
3. Why did Frank bother waking him up to save him in the "first" instance if his entire purpose in coming back in visions was to guide Donnie into shooting him and then fixing it by travelling back and dying?
4. What the hell was the point of the old woman's house being the scene for the ending? Couldn't it have been any random person who wrote the book?
5. At the beginning when he wakes up in the middle of the road, was that the road where the movie ends? And what does that mean if it is?
6. Why does Drew Barrymore persist in having short hair when movies like this consistently prove she looks a million times better with long hair???
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-04-06 16:42:52 EDT (#)
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I'm going to assume that your Zen teahcer viewed this movie from a different perspective than what I am capable of understanding. Otherwise he was pretty wrong: A Beautfiul Mind & Donnie Darko have almost nothing in common (sans Schitzophrenia).
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-30 11:22:13 EST (#)
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Hello again, with regards to your reply: yep with the film you do have to suspend your disbelief.
Thanks for your plus two.
Asked Zen teacher about this, he liked the film, but suggested a watching "a beautiful mind". Apparently about the same thing but clearer.
Submitted by Can_Always_Trust_A_Liar (user info) at 2005-03-27 14:55:21 EST (#)
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Donnie Darko is the Living Receiver and saves the universe with the help of the Manipulated Dead: Frank (the bunny rabbit and coicidentally, his sister's boyfriend) and Gretchen Ross, and the help of the Manipulated Living: (all other characters in the movie).
There's more to it than that, but that's the basics.
Submitted by Slovin (user info) at 2005-03-27 14:21:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:35:02 (#)
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What is DDR? Is that Dungeons and Dragons ROleplaying? Ha HAHA HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA. I've never heard that term. You have triangle dice don't you?
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Dance Dance Revolution, you idiot. It's that dancing game they put in the center of arcades so losers who spend a few hundred bucks a week practicing can draw a crowd and feel good inside.
I think that's a very relevent analogy here, actually.
(And it WAS a good game in the original Japanese (pirated) form, until they started selling it in America and stuck machines in public places a few years later).
Submitted by Slovin (user info) at 2005-03-27 14:10:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2005-03-21 17:10:04 (#)
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Does anyone get the underlying plot in Ernest Saves Christmas?
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AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Seriously, no one cares, you pretentious asshole. It's a fucking movie. Get a life.
And that's MY insight into the world around us.
Submitted by Squijee (user info) at 2005-03-27 07:11:03 EST (#)
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The movie is meant to be such that everyone can take something different from it, depending on what aspect they focus on. Don't act like you hold the answer, because there is none.
The movie is like an 're: 16y/olds" post.
Submitted by Deb625 (user info) at 2005-03-26 21:58:54 EST (#)
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Yeah, it was a good movie, but you need to get a life.
Submitted by BoxcarChild (user info) at 2005-03-26 17:51:07 EST (#)
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The only question this movie brings up is: Why did i just waste my fucking money?
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2005-03-26 16:16:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-25 10:11:51 (#)
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I would like to thank all of my adoring fans who helped to make this post such a monumental success. I didn't have a lot of capital to start with, but I think the post really speaks for itself. First, I'd like to thank my mother and father: they have always been my inspiration. Next, I'd like to thank Bart Bart: his encouragement and under the table contributions are always appreciated. I'd also like to thank the indescipherable nature of time travel. It is difficult to write a complex post if you are working with a definitive concept. And last, I'd like to thank all my friends at So So Def records. We fight hard don't we? (Pounds chest with hand twice. Raises Fist to the air.)
To all yall niggaz thought this post was dull
I'll rock your preconception out of ya socks
And the foolish concepts out of ya skulls. --InkyFingers the Legend
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What? No mention of thanks to me? You bastard!!!
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-26 12:19:28 EST (#)
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Sphagnum,
If you had read the entire thread, you would know how innaccurate that statement is. I discussed numerous scenes from the movie in detail.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2005-03-26 08:58:03 EST (#)
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Wow! So a movie touched you. And it reminded you of the times when your Grandfather used to touch you.
Judging by what you posted and what everyone else has said I can only conclude that I have far to much time on my hands if I am wasting it on retard conventions like this one.
The only review that made any sense here was this one -
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2005-03-21 18:00:38 (#)
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If any of this were true, you'd post your thoughts on it and attempt to educate us surely?
That have yet to really explain what YOUR brilliantly insightful take on it is implies 3 things
1. You haven't come up with a SINGLE original thought on the subject and are merely trying to garner a little respect and attention before somebody comes up with a feasable explaination so you can immediately go "yes you're right - people, see how brilliant I am for knowing this?". Unfortunately Uber will give you no repsect, and only a short period of attention and it's not the sort you want - In fact It's not too far from how I imagine people view you in 'the real' world.
2. You are a Cunt of the highest order. Now, by highest order I am of course refering to lesser known heirachy of Cuntishness used throughout the ages. To give you some idea of this scale - I would probably rank as ten-dollar-hooker Cunt - Worn-out, mildly savaged but slighly loose. Topping the order means that you are The Annabelle Chong post-gangbang of Cunts - A gapping vacuous maw, full of nothing but fresh air, scabies and gallons of spunk
3. I may have a numeracy probolem.
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2005-03-26 08:12:13 EST (#)
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I WANT TO WATCH IT
i do
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-25 23:05:33 EST (#)
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Ducky,
You should read the replies. They are worth while.
And it is a phenominal movie.
Submitted by Ducky (user info) at 2005-03-25 22:26:33 EST (#)
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this is one of my all time favorite movies...but your high and mighty attitude completely sucks.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-25 12:06:37 EST (#)
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I love your hate. I will plant flowers in it and they will blossom as vicious attack dogs. Thank you.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2005-03-25 10:14:42 EST (#)
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i fucking hate you. burn in hell. to expalin further:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/16549
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-25 10:13:03 EST (#)
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PEACE! (Drops Microphone. Walks off Stage.)
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-25 10:11:51 EST (#)
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I would like to thank all of my adoring fans who helped to make this post such a monumental success. I didn't have a lot of capital to start with, but I think the post really speaks for itself. First, I'd like to thank my mother and father: they have always been my inspiration. Next, I'd like to thank Bart Bart: his encouragement and under the table contributions are always appreciated. I'd also like to thank the indescipherable nature of time travel. It is difficult to write a complex post if you are working with a definitive concept. And last, I'd like to thank all my friends at So So Def records. We fight hard don't we? (Pounds chest with hand twice. Raises Fist to the air.)
To all yall niggaz thought this post was dull
I'll rock your preconception out of ya socks
And the foolish concepts out of ya skulls. --InkyFingers the Legend
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-25 08:33:10 EST (#)
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I cannot say that the recently discussed "conclusion" is accurate. At this point, it seems so.
Submitted by AnotherStupidUsername (user info) at 2005-03-25 00:30:24 EST (#)
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So your 'conclusion' with Jimmae is pretty spot-on, right? Congrads, you solved a movie that the average person cannot, but unfortunately, I'm not one of them.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 22:14:30 EST (#)
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Fuck Yeah 2900 hits. Not bad.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2005-03-24 16:30:55 EST (#)
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What a good idea for making the most-heated list. If only you didn't come off as a pompous jackal siting in wait in order to pounce on unsuspecting prey.
I'm not going to go into the movie because I've only seen it one time, but I did like it and I did sit and think about it for a minute. I also think the movie review Cali posted was ridiculous...
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 16:24:41 EST (#)
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Jungle_Jimanee quoted:
"As to your interpretation of the statement "everybody dies alone" and its validity, an error has been made. You have assumed that Donnie is espoucing a universal truth; when, in fact, he is just a character voicing a belief. Donnie's idea is not reinforced anywhere in the movie, and certainly not in a way that would indicate that Donnie's ideas are an attempt by the director to reveal a truth about the universe. Because this idea of Donnie's is not reinforced it becomes a unique concept to him. It is a "Character trait" that improves the movie's dramatic quality by heightening the degree of sacrifice made by the main character. It is also one of the scripting details that lifts the movie from Great to amazing. "
THen Replied:
But, he never had any choice, he was in the grip of fate, if he did not kill the rabbit with the gun provided he would never have survived the crash, it is a paradox.
Now I reply: I don't see any evidence in the movie to suggest Donnie's fate works the same way as the fates of other characters. The first time a "fate" bubble comes out of his chest, the fate bubble has to beckon him to follow it. That doesn't happen for any other characters in the movie. As to it being a paradox; certainly, but that's the point. We (the viewers) just have to suspend our disbelief.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 16:12:06 EST (#)
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How So?
Submitted by Obi-wan (user info) at 2005-03-24 15:57:58 EST (#)
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I think it had an underlying feeling of you cant have your cake and eat it
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 13:24:24 EST (#)
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Jungle_Jimanee, You got it man. You came the closest. Have a good weekend.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-24 13:15:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 13:02:31 (#)
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Holy Shit Jungle! You might be right about that.
Thanks.
Lets assume that Rabbit compensates for killing Donnie's girlfriend by showing Donnie the signifigance of Donnies death. Had you thought of that? Please be honest.
I had thought that the rabbit being dead is traveling back in time from the incident and has god's knowledge, the incident happening in the future going backwards. Lets return to this on Tuesday.
And, after all of this, you can't tell me you don't think the movie is amazing.
It is amazing, but muddled, you can't blame people for being confused; it's what set me off, I did not like the tone of your post.
Urgh had more to see but must dash, have a great week end everybody.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 13:02:31 EST (#)
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Holy Shit Jungle! You might be right about that. Lets assume that Rabbit compensates for killing Donnie's girlfriend by showing Donnie the signifigance of Donnies death. Had you thought of that? Please be honest.
And, after all of this, you can't tell me you don't think the movie is amazing.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-24 12:41:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:27:17 (#)
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"The best interpretation I can give of Frank is that he helps Donnie to do the things Donnie would like to do, but has not had the confidence to do before. Frank doesn't hold Donnie's hand or any bullshit like that, he is more of a guiding spirit, unlocking Donnie's potential. The fact that he helps Donie locate the gun is a VERY good point. That act opens the door for two entirely different interpretations of Spirit Frank's intent. The first, and what I believe to be the most probable, is that Frank is making amends for the pain he causes Donnie. It was a horrible mistake and he comes back to help correct... yadda yadda. I don't see any other reason Frank would come back and help Donnie find the Gun (Unless he was directed to by a higher power, or hperhaps a lower power. I.E. the devil sends him back to deliver the means of his own death.) Anyway, there is no definitive proof in the movie that would explain EXACTLY why Frank comes back. But, that it is a compensatory act seems the most probable in the context of the movie. "
Agreed.
"As to your interpretation of the statement "everybody dies alone" and its validity, an error has been made. You have assumed that Donnie is espoucing a universal truth; when, in fact, he is just a character voicing a belief. Donnie's idea is not reinforced anywhere in the movie, and certainly not in a way that would indicate that Donnie's ideas are an attempt by the director to reveal a truth about the universe. Because this idea of Donnie's is not reinforced it becomes a unique concept to him. It is a "Character trait" that improves the movie's dramatic quality by heightening the degree of sacrifice made by the main character. It is also one of the scripting details that lifts the movie from Great to amazing. "
But, he never had any choice, he was in the grip of fate, if he did not kill the rabbit with the gun provided he would never have survived the crash, it is a paradox
What the "everybody dies alone" statement reinforces is the deliberate confusion the director injects, there is nothing to back up your statements above. Is it ever explained why the grandma death says this, why did the bunny come back to guide Donnie and not Gretchen and how can he save anything when his guide caused the problem in the first place and provides the solution.
This is a lot of window dressing round a basic plot, Donnie was meant to die, instead he was, perceptually only by him, saved to live four weeks and gain enough life experiences so that he could die fulfilled. Am I right?
PS. Am leaving work in 20 minutes and won't be back till Tuesday, It's Easter bank holiday! Have a good one.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 12:00:19 EST (#)
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The glasses were a good point.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:51:54 EST (#)
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As to the glasses: Again, it is not possible to find a diffinitive reason for them choosing the glasses. Given the quality of character development in this movie; however, I believe you would be safer to make assumptions based on Donnie's and Gretchens previous behaviors than you would in other movies. That having been said, I think the glasses were Gretchen's idea, and I think Donnie was willing to go along with her fantasy (despite his being an adamant realist: even when it is self-damaging) because he cared about her.
Oh Sweet jesus, I just thought of something else... here come the sissy tears.
Gretchen is the only illumination in Donnie's life. She is, as he sees it, his best hope for becoming hopeful. She possesses qualities that allow affection between the two of them even though she is not on his intellectual level. She possesses , I believe, a great enough "vision" that the two of them can relate. When she dies his chance for a better life dies. His conduit for hope dies.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:27:17 EST (#)
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The best interpretation I can give of Frank is that he helps Donnie to do the things Donnie would like to do, but has not had the confidence to do before. Frank doesn't hold Donnie's hand or any bullshit like that, he is more of a guiding spirit, unlocking Donnie's potential. The fact that he helps Donie locate the gun is a VERY good point. That act opens the door for two entirely different interpretations of Spirit Frank's intent. The first, and what I believe to be the most probable, is that Frank is making amends for the pain he causes Donnie. It was a horrible mistake and he comes back to help correct... yadda yadda. I don't see any other reason Frank would come back and help Donnie find the Gun (Unless he was directed to by a higher power, or hperhaps a lower power. I.E. the devil sends him back to deliver the means of his own death.) Anyway, there is no definitive proof in the movie that would explain EXACTLY why Frank comes back. But, that it is a compensatory act seems the most probable in the context of the movie.
As to your interpretation of the statement "everybody dies alone" and its validity, an error has been made. You have assumed that Donnie is espoucing a universal truth; when, in fact, he is just a character voicing a belief. Donnie's idea is not reinforced anywhere in the movie, and certainly not in a way that would indicate that Donnie's ideas are an attept by the director to reveal a truth about the universe. Becasue this idea of Donnie's is not reinforced it becomes a unique concept to him. It is a "Character trait" that improves the movie's dramatic quality by heightening the degree of sacrifice made by the main character. It is also one of the scripting details that lifts the movie from Great to amazing.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:01:27 EST (#)
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"Donnie's death as an empty act because he had nothing to lose: Donnie still had a father and sister. And dying wasnt just a bullshit, nothing act."
His love is dead, he has killed his sister's boyfriend out of revenge he is now a wanted man and though he does not know it, his Mum and little sister are dead. Answer me this: how can he have a choice when he has a fate thingy coming out of his chest and why did Frank help him to cause the problem in the first place and then kill himself (he would not have died if he had not directed Donnie to find the gun).
" In an early scene with his shrink, about 30 min. into the movie, he reveals that he doesn't believe there is a God because everyone dies alone. And, that dying alone is one of his greatest fears. Then, at the end of the movie, he fucking dies alone. Noone understands him, and he knows that. He knows that he can't tell his family, "It's me or you guys, and I love you all so...*crash*" And yet, he CHOOSES to let himself be killed.
For someone who has done as much reading of Zen, I can't believe you didn't appreciate that he sits there laughing at how fucked up the universe can be because he knows a plane engine is going to fall on him, and that that is a good thing. "
I don't read Zen, I study through one to one tuition, as I have discovered and been told, that most written Zen is fake or corrupted by Buddhism.
A true statement of wisdom (in my and others opinion) is applicable in any time and place (barring something really silly).
The statement "Everybody dies alone", anyway you choose to take that it is flawed, we don't know what happens after death, even if you were to claim that someone is holding your hand but would not accompany you through deaths door, that would not account for people dying together in huge numbers.
Here is a nice Zen statement on the same thing: " No man is alone who can see the stars".
Of course I can appreciate somebody laughing in the face of death after a full life, laughing at how fucked up the universe can be or just a chuckle about anything really.
One interesting feature of the film was the glasses Donnie and Gretchen make that show happy pictures to children and the wish from Gretchen that life would be great if you could go back and have only the nice things in life. I wonder whether the director meant us to see their naivete or this was meant as a statement?
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-24 09:28:31 EST (#)
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Jungle:
The rabbit as a Metaphoir: it was meant to be creepy not metaphoric. Not even in a Lewis Carrol kinda way. (Although, it could be argued, that the imagery in the movie played off the Alice in Wonderland concept. But I haven't heard that supported anywhere else.)
The Rabbit returns to direct Donnie: I don't see where the rabbit's effect, or the story concept, are the result of a caring universe. Donnie's life has two possible outcomes: either he dies or everyone he cares about dies or is ruined. Is that the depiction of a caring universe? I think you are clearly mistaken there, but I think your mistake is evidence of this movie's power. It shows that despite depicting the main characters death, viewers are made to feel as though something "right" has been done. Because you (the viewer) have seen what will happen if Donnie lives, you know his death is the lesser of two evils. I think the sound track helps the movie accomplish that. Alto Orchestral/choir are extremely powerful (except in Titanic where they just sucked.).
Donnie's death as an empty act because he had nothing to lose: Donnie still had a father and sister. And dying wasnt just a bullshit, nothing act. In an early scene with his shrink, about 30 min. into the movie, he reveals that he doesn't believe there is a God because everyone dies alone. And, that dying alone is one of his greatest fears. Then, at the end of the movie, he fucking dies alone. Noone understands him, and he knows that. He knows that he can't tell his family, "It's me or you guys, and I love you all so...*crash*" And yet, he CHOOSES to let himself be killed.
For someone who has done as much reading of Zen, I can't believe you didn't appreciate that he sits there laughing at how fucked up the universe can be because he knows a plane engine is going to fall on him, and that that is a good thing.
Don't worry about flooding me. I asked for a reprieve because the grammer you used was indesipherable. I was trying to be polite, asking you to rephrase your question in a legible way. I can handle the flood man. (At least, in relation to this thread of discussion).
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-24 07:18:46 EST (#)
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Right watched the film last night, to be quite honest it was a bit of a disappointment.
I still stick with my interpretation, that the film's main themes include listening to your inner voice, living as though you have only four weeks left, don't tell people that you are seeing giant rabbits and fighting authority is best done calmly with authority.
I would like to know how old you are, is this the first time you have come across these (and yours) concepts? For me the film didn't highlight anything I haven't heard from somewhere else (Isaac Asimov's What If short story and my Zen studies).
And it was deliberately confusing: cryptic shit from a rabbit in a suit, bullshit made up un-explained physics and God acting in mysterious ways.
Films stating as a fact a caring universe immediately repulse me. Unless it's Groundhog Day, a simple yet very complex film enjoyable by all.
I disagree with Donnie Sacrificing himself, the film shows him that he has no choice, he has to follow fate as that special effect coming from his chest. I see the film as an unhappy young lad who will never fit in, gets to live four weeks without any consequences, accomplishes the things he always wanted to do, realizes that in the end he is already dead and, at the end, he is relieved that his girl won't really be dead.
There is more but don't want to flood you, plus I have to work hard today. Thinking about it last night about the flooding, that that does not apply on this forum, you have all the time in the world to reply.
A common trick in debates is to answer only one question in somebodies argument, ignoring the others you cannot defend , yet that is impossible here as well as I will just repeat the point.
Submitted by dwr_budr (user info) at 2005-03-24 04:50:10 EST (#)
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This is just to even out those other fucked up posts.
Submitted by dwr_budr (user info) at 2005-03-24 04:49:24 EST (#)
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Or pi even...
Submitted by dwr_budr (user info) at 2005-03-24 04:49:03 EST (#)
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That shoulda been pie you god damn PC users...
Submitted by dwr_budr (user info) at 2005-03-24 04:47:50 EST (#)
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I liked π...
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2005-03-23 23:31:42 EST (#)
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Thanks DanielH! I have a post right now http://www.ubersite.com/m/62580 so get to work!! :)
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-23 18:23:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:34:30 (#)
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I'll give you a +2 on every post you've made on Uber if you can back this up by giving a proper review of the movie "Gummo." Let's see what you've really got to say. (Below is your thouthts.)
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That terrible movie by the hugely overrated Harmony Korine???? Hahahaha!!!!! A question to pose to you: Is your 'interpretation' of the movie the only right way? Because (and its been said before, especially on the reviews of this post) there is more then one way to view an 'art' piece, and different views are not neccessarily right or wrong.
My thoughts on Gummo. First, it was terrible. Creating a dismal world with bleak characters does not make a movie watchable, despite the underlying subtle points. Example: Kubrick's 'Eyes Wide Shut' deals with and creates ton's of points, but it keeps you captivated throughout, It's beautiful to look at and the cast is outstanding. Ohh yeah, back to the shitfest Gummo. Secondly, it rips off a 1928 short film called "Un Chien Andalou," by Luis Bunuel and Salvador Dali
although I cringe, because that almost seems like a compliment. I guess what you want is an interpretation of this 'art'.
This movie is on one level is about the destruction of cinema. You see this with both Korine's influences and also with the chaotic and surrealistic viewpoints throughout the movie (ie. the tornado). He is trying to destroy and rebuild something, although it's too disturbing and terribly done, in my opinion. The movie is also about a metaphor for chaos in the world, not film, and a social work on lower/middle class kids in a lower class town. This is obvious with the trashy drug habits, the lewd sexual and hygiene shots, and the way he used non-actors in a acting sort of way (this is true, most of the shots involving people, ie. the albino woman are not actors but more documentary, except it's not shot in that way). I suppose the only thing I really liked was the kid with the rabbit ears, which is a decent way of displaying adolescence (sp?) in a visual manner.
That's about it, I saw the movie over two years ago, and that's all I can remember. Do I get my plus 2's for life now?
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I'm a stick by by word. Yes. Altho I don't agree on all your points, you did a good job. You get +2's for life, but only beginning with this one, and all hereafter into eternity, et cetra, et cetra. PS He wasn't trying to rebuild anything, but only focus on the desolation and aftermath.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-23 14:07:59 EST (#)
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Lucid:
Jesus Christ, Donnie Darko??? How can you say that's the end all be all of movies when classic films have been selling strong for over 55 years and this movie hasn't even recouped it's cost???
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Every College Sophmore knows that popular tastes indicate relatively little (in terms of their interpretive ability). You try and boil it down to numbers, ans that's a pretty good argument. However, I could name hundreds of works that didn't become popular untill after their creators died. Popular tastes are whimsical and not necessarily reflective of the quality commercial lifespan of art, music, or literature. Literary Example: Ulysses by James Joyce, Musical Example: Most Jazz from the 30's and 40's. Artistic Example: Amber Boardman (Yeah, you haven't heard of her, that's the point)
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-23 13:52:46 EST (#)
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In the instance of Donnie Darko, Donnie's understanding of his future self is a cause and effect understanding. He understands that he will become a catalyst of death and pain to his loved ones. That is not to say that one cannot plot emotional developments using the examples (I.E. blueprint) set forth in the film. It is blueprint through which emotional, metaphysical, cause and effect, etc. relationships and predictions can be made.
I hope that certain elements of the movie have not been spoiled for you by these "behind the curtain" talks. Please take that into consideration when you see it.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-23 13:37:09 EST (#)
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Ah my apologies, it was not my intention to flood you, there is a whole lot that I cut out of that response and then about three books I would like to write about the various things that have been brought up left unwritten.
I shall go home, watch the film again. I will say this though, if it boils down to some made up physics gimmick then I will be pissed.
And just respond to this question:
And, crucially, how does the film portray this nice sounding concept of yours, when he only has a couple of weeks (don't know the figure will find out tonight when I watch it again) of life in the film.
Donnie does not learn about "knowing who he will become" nor do I see it portrayed in the film.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2005-03-23 13:25:01 EST (#)
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and consider this a tribute post to me for now on based on A this post was originally a reply to a post by me and 2 it has my name in the title.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-23 13:20:31 EST (#)
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*Sun Tsu
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-23 13:14:37 EST (#)
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Lucid,
How many minutes do I have to spend reading a single line prophecy of Aristotle's or a line from Suz Tsu's "Art of War". Do I have to spend more than ninety minutes reading one line before I am allowed to be affected? Understanding what knowledge you allow to become part of you is more important than how much time it takes to absorb that knowledge. It is up to YOU to assess if the knowledge will do YOU good. That is one of the first steps, man.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-23 13:06:52 EST (#)
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I appreciate that you have taken the time to consider various elements of this post Jungle, and before I respond to specific parts of your post, i'd like to make a comprehensive comment on your most recent responce. I feel as though you tried to flood me in your last responce. Flooding is a common "debate team" tactic where you spin off a variety of criticisms (which have little if anything in common) then focus on whichever one your opponent does not have time to defend. If you could clarify the second half of your post, I would be happy to respond.
As to the first half--
Jungle:
I'm now worried that you make decisions based on predicted most beneficial outcomes. How can you predict the unpredictable, how can you know what you do not yet know?
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I don't predict the unpredictable: that is impossible. I assess potential outcomes, and base my decisions on what I percieve will be the most beneficial actions. And, that is what I am encouraging here.
I have probably seen the movie 10 or 11 times in the last 3-4 years. And I understand that this puts me in a different category of viewer. The reason I (fanatically) encourage seeing this movie, as opposed to films that are similarly consistent, well-made, whatever, is because I believe the aforementioned "central theme" is particularly rewarding. That fact, combined with the movies amazing script and moodie/intriguing feel really set it apart.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-03-23 12:59:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by Badlands (user info) at 2005-03-21 15:44:01 (#)
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"Don't condenscend me, man.......fuckin' kill ya."
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True Romance... my favorite movie
Submitted by lucid (user info) at 2005-03-23 12:54:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:14:03 (#)
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Really Lucid? Do you own The Little Mermaid? Did Titanic change your life? What do you mean "NO"?!?
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The only lives that change after a film is released are those of the people who made them. No one should derive their sense of self based off of a 90 minute movie. If you do, you are either 13 years old or a fool.
I'm quite certain that those who had a piece of the little mermaid and titanic are considerably wealthier, and that those who sat through donnie darko gained nothing more than trivia to discuss at a rather eclectic coffee table gathering.
Jesus Christ, Donnie Darko??? How can you say that's the end all be all of movies when classic films have been selling strong for over 55 years and this movie hasn't even recouped it's cost???
Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2005-03-23 12:33:37 EST (#)
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once again, fuck this movie, fuck this post, and fucking fuck the poster who posted this post.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-23 12:22:11 EST (#)
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"Jungle: Our capacity to predict the outcome of our lives is not as accurate as Donnie's, but assessing possibilities, then making decisions based on (what you predict) the most beneficial outcomes IS possible. Instead of the 24-hour foresight, plan days weeks, months, etc. ahead. "
I'm now worried that you make decisions based on predicted most beneficial outcomes. How can you predict the unpredictable, how can you know what you do not yet know? As I am thirty soon, looking back at what I thought I was going to turn into, at several points, I couldn't be more wrong.
And, crucially, how does the film portray this nice sounding concept of yours, when he only has a couple of weeks (don't know the figure will find out tonight when I watch it again) of life in the film.
"Again, you show that this movie was over your head. It is not deliberately confusing, it is deliberately complex. But I'm sure it is obvious to anyone reading how you confused the two. "
No, I have had this argument before "you just don't "understand" it" or it's too "intelligent" for you, hell I 've used the argument before. That's mostly bollocks when you look at what they (the artist) are supposed to be trying to achieve; getting their message across.
If you fail at that, in my opinion, you fail in meaningfully expressing yourself. There are plenty of very complex works of art and literature that are understandable to the common man.
Anyway the website wasn't over my head, it was just deliberately confusing.
PS As you seem to know, how does Donnie sacrifice selflessly sacrifice himself at the end, his girlfriend's dead and he has just shot someone, big sacrifice he was fucked.
Now you are fucked as well, because if what you eventually are going to reveal as the "it" that we can't get is right ie. agrees with the directors comments on the DVD, then nobody will believe you "got it" on your own. If it doesn't we will laugh at you for being wrong.
Anyway now of to watch the film again, see you tomorrow. Oh, another point, how many time have you seen this film? Because the only way to make this a fair race on who is feebleminded and who is not , is to have a level playing field. Right?
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-23 10:57:43 EST (#)
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Wow, thy're siblings. Their cheekbones and eyes are similar, but I don't see it beyond that.
Submitted by ChristPuncher (user info) at 2005-03-23 10:44:22 EST (#)
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The older sister in Donnie Darko was amazingly cute.
Plus she was really Donnie's sister. http://anycities.com/user/mgyllenhaal/
Fuck you and this hippy "i'm better than you" post shit.
You will be Beebed
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-23 09:23:06 EST (#)
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Jungle_Jimanee
"I'd like to link your clever sounding sophist nonsense to the works of the evangelist Jim Cunningham in the film. Honestly, it horrifies me that you seem to partly base your ego on such a weak foundation as spotting the clever bits in a deliberately confusing film."
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Again, you show that this movie was over your head. It is not deliberately confusing, it is deliberately complex. But I'm sure it is obvious to anyone reading how you confused the two.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-23 09:15:20 EST (#)
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Being John Malkivich is a well scripted movie, but kind of on the dull side.
Submitted by Ivy (user info) at 2005-03-23 08:41:03 EST (#)
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InkyFingers you are a fucking idiot. Donnie Darko was a piece of shit and not that hard to understand, not even after 6 joints. Want a good movie? Go watch Being John Malcovich. If you're so fucking smart, why don't you give me an in-depth explanation of Mulholland Drive, cause that's a movie that left me saying 'What the fuck?'
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-23 06:28:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by PeanutButterJellyTime (user info) at 2005-03-22 19:56:26 (#)
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DONNIE DARK WAS NOT THAT GREAT. IT WAS ABOUT FUCKING TIME TROUBLE. IT WAS AN ORIGINAL CONCEPT AND EVERYTHING BUT I HAVE SEEN BETTER MOVIES. U PROBABLY THINK ITS A COOL MOVIE BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE THOUGHT IT WAS A COOL MOVIE.
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CAPITALISATION IS NOT THAT GREAT. IT'S ABOUT FUCKING EMPHASISM. IT WAS AN UNORIGINAL CONCEPT AND EVERYTHING BUT I HAVE SEEN BETTER CASES. U PROBABLY THINK ITS A COOL CASE BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE THOUGHT IT WAS A COOL CASE.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-23 06:26:21 EST (#)
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Ummm, I'll try to explain it so the lay-man understands, alright?
Basically King Arthur is travelling around England finding virtuous knights to join him in his court at Camelot. He gathers a group and soon God tells the king to search for the holy grail. For some reason they attack a French castle in the middle of england with a giant rabbit but are defeated in a noble barage of assorted farm animals. The crusaders split up and after many quirky adventures reunite and come across a great wizard called Tim. With help from the holy hand grenade they destroy the rabbit who is blocking their way to the next clue in the quest that will lead them to the castle of Arghhh. When they get there they find the French once again rule this castle and King Arthur decides to assault the castle with a valant English army. Unfortunately the king is arrested.
I hope that helps.
Submitted by Viciousriffs (user info) at 2005-03-23 05:35:03 EST (#)
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Christ on a crispity Triscuit, are we still on this? Frank speaks to him because his actions after the night that the engine crashed through his room were all made in a tangent universe, and the events in the time period from where Frank spoke to him until when the tangent originated were, more than likely, the result of the tangent parallelling the actual universe. Once he "hits the reset button", returning to the true universe, but altering his actions so as to dispel the tangent, Frank is no longer a tangent being. As a result of this, the second time around the tangent never existed because space-time has been returned to its normal state, so Frank is no longer a factor.
Submitted by stevie_says (user info) at 2005-03-23 03:49:39 EST (#)
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Whenever I see trailers for it, the rabbit scares the crap out of me. And it frankly looks stupid. Then again, I really liked SWAT. Sometimes I'm in the mood to see a movie that will blow my mind, but other times I just want to see people get shot and shit blow up.
Submitted by Bellebrown (user info) at 2005-03-23 03:36:35 EST (#)
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Is that the one where the cop shoots his brother and then becomes his brother to cover his tracks?
Sure... it was a good movie, but jesus, theres no need to masterbate about it.
Submitted by olivia_tremor_control (user info) at 2005-03-23 00:14:53 EST (#)
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the movie has a loophole in the plot. donnie is saved by frank and continues to live, but the only reason frank is in his mind is because donnie kills frank later on. if donnie just died in the beginning frank would never have been killed then proceed to exist in his mind, so how can frank save him if frank doesnt exist yet?
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-03-22 23:29:11 EST (#)
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Yea dude GardenState is a great movie. Kind of emo, but Donny Darko is and I loved that, even though I didn't see the last ten minutes.
GO rent GardenState.
Submitted by Freakmagnet (user info) at 2005-03-22 22:06:45 EST (#)
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Never seen it, but you're arrogant.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2005-03-22 20:39:20 EST (#)
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What the hell is "TIME TROUBLE?"
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 20:05:42 EST (#)
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Yeah, you are right, forget that the script tied into itself amazingly, the concepts are very well presented, and the music and imagery are exceptionally compelling. I just like this movie cuzz my big bro likes it. Hey, have you ever heard of weed? I was gonna try some.
Submitted by PeanutButterJellyTime (user info) at 2005-03-22 19:56:26 EST (#)
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DONNIE DARK WAS NOT THAT GREAT. IT WAS ABOUT FUCKING TIME TROUBLE. IT WAS AN ORIGINAL CONCEPT AND EVERYTHING BUT I HAVE SEEN BETTER MOVIES. U PROBABLY THINK ITS A COOL MOVIE BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE THOUGHT IT WAS A COOL MOVIE.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 19:54:10 EST (#)
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I realize that, but the relationship wasn't significant, and they tried to make it significant. That was my only problem with D.D.
Submitted by Viciousriffs (user info) at 2005-03-22 17:29:08 EST (#)
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Cellar Door is a stretch.... are you aware of what it is that they enter on the property of Grandma Death right before they are assaulted by the asshole kids? When Frank appears, and Gretchen is rubberized? That's right, they enter a cellar door. Think on it....
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-22 17:23:16 EST (#)
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Haven't seen it yet.
I heard there is a bunny or something.
But this post sucked anyway, so...
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:35:02 EST (#)
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What is DDR? Is that Dungeons and Dragons ROleplaying? Ha HAHA HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA. I've never heard that term. You have triangle dice don't you?
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:32:44 EST (#)
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The character work and scripting for the film are also very good: there are few (possibly no) extraneous plot elements. THe cellar door is a stretch, but that is the only one i am aware of.
Scripting Examples:
-When Donnie and Gretchen are presenting their science class with the child imagery invention, and the coke snorting bullies ask her about her mom getting stabbed, she runs out of the class in tears. Donnie chases after her and they kiss in front of the school. In another scene between the two (30 min. earlier) She skirks a kiss from Donnie and tells him that she wants to wait untill they are involved in a moment where the kiss will remind her of how beautiful the world can be. The kiss scene simultaneously shows the pain she has just experienced AND how much she cares about Donnie. I dare you to write that well.
Submitted by tragiksaint (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:32:36 EST (#)
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this little boy sees a movie and gets all warm inside, therefore deciding to let the internet know that nobody is as perceptive as him.
go play some more DDR.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:24:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2005-03-22 12:23:01 (#)
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you know this fucker does. when hes not at home listening to My Chemical Romance, hes ranting about the state of the economy or something, over a mocca latte at borders surrounded by a group (no bigger than 6, Emo's like to keep it tight) of dipshits just as plastically-depressed as he pretends to be. sigh, tis what happens when mommy and daddy hate you. isnt that right? well, fuck that, my folks hated my ass too, and you dont see me in a Thrice shirt two sizes too short, walking around the local mall pretending to be "deep" and "philisophical" or whatever.
the next time i see one of your kind, im force feeding them a bitchin-ass ham sandwitch and making them play 7 hours of Tekken with me. i'll show them what real pain feels like.
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All of the Tekken's, (except the most recently released) are shitty rip offs of Virtua Fighter games. And I could whoop you in any console fighting game within an hour of playing against you.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:19:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-22 12:24:14 (#)
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"The central idea of the movie is this: Know who you are and who you will become. Know how you will affect the world at both times. Direct your life depending on what you learn from the aforementioned understandings."
No it isn't, because if that was the case, it would be stupid. I will admit to being able to know who you are, as for knowing who you will become you can't, because unlike Donnie we have no future vision, that was a plot device.
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Jungle: Our capacity to predict the outcome of our lives is not as accurate as Donnie's, but assessing possibilities, then making decisions based on (what you predict) the most beneficial outcomes IS possible. Instead of the 24-hour foresight, plan days weeks, months, etc. ahead.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:14:03 EST (#)
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Really Lucid? Do you own The Little Mermaid? Did Titanic change your life? What do you mean "NO"?!?
Submitted by Zandy1123 (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:04:59 EST (#)
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I actually just saw it for the first time last night...and not because of this post.
+2 for the movie, but -2 for your belligerent post.
Submitted by HZRD (user info) at 2005-03-22 13:42:17 EST (#)
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"What does a Hot Topic Goth have at the end of the day? A bottle of absinthe and a new set of lies"
-somethingawful.com
Submitted by lucid (user info) at 2005-03-22 13:05:27 EST (#)
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Donnie Darko (2001)
Budget : 4.5 Million
WWBox Office : 1.456 Million
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Shrek (2001)
Budget : 60.0 Million
WWBox Office : 481.665 Million
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Movies are business, period.
Donnie Darko sucked.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2005-03-22 12:24:14 EST (#)
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"The central idea of the movie is this: Know who you are and who you will become. Know how you will affect the world at both times. Direct your life depending on what you learn from the aforementioned understandings."
No it isn't, because if that was the case, it would be stupid. I will admit to being able to know who you are, as for knowing who you will become you can't, because unlike Donnie we have no future vision, that was a plot device.
I'd like to link your clever sounding sophist nonsense to the works of the evangelist Jim Cunningham in the film. Honestly, it horrifies me that you seem to partly base your ego on such a weak foundation as spotting the clever bits in a deliberately confusing film.
I am hanging back on my explanation till I watch the film tonight. I, however, felt that it was because of the rabbit guy that he had accomplished everything meaningful in his life before he died.
Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2005-03-22 12:23:01 EST (#)
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you know this fucker does. when hes not at home listening to My Chemical Romance, hes ranting about the state of the economy or something, over a mocca latte at borders surrounded by a group (no bigger than 6, Emo's like to keep it tight) of dipshits just as plastically-depressed as he pretends to be. sigh, tis what happens when mommy and daddy hate you. isnt that right? well, fuck that, my folks hated my ass too, and you dont see me in a Thrice shirt two sizes too short, walking around the local mall pretending to be "deep" and "philisophical" or whatever.
the next time i see one of your kind, im force feeding them a bitchin-ass ham sandwitch and making them play 7 hours of Tekken with me. i'll show them what real pain feels like.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-03-22 12:22:46 EST (#)
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Yea, Gummo is a fucked up movie!
Another weird one that scarred me as a child was "Return to Oz".
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2005-03-22 12:13:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2005-03-22 12:09:44 (#)
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you work at hot topic?
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BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2005-03-22 12:09:44 EST (#)
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you work at hot topic?
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2005-03-22 11:55:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by godking (user info) at 2005-03-22 09:56:03 (#)
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Dark City is a magnificent movie.
Donnie Darko reminds me a lot of Jacob's Ladder, with a dose of time travel tossed in. I suggest seeing Primer, which may be the most complex movie dealing with time travel that I have ever seen. It should be on DVD on April 19th.
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Donnie Darko's great, Dark City is alright. Neither remind me even remotely of Jacob's ladder. (Although the Manchurian Candidate does in an odd sort of way) Dark City reminds me more of a cross between The Truman Show and The Matrix and The Thirteenth Floor. Close your eyes is another weird trippy flick.
Submitted by HZRD (user info) at 2005-03-22 11:38:59 EST (#)
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Wow, OK.
Philosophical meanings are different for everyone, so what you think of the movie and what the director thought of the movie in the director's cut that you obviously owned and have come all over severeal times are different. Same as you can interpret a book or a song. Maybe it had a different meaning for the author that penned it, but as soon as it's written or sung it can and WILL mean anything to anyone because FICTION IS SUBJECTIVE. You and the millions of people who have tried to explain to others what you think it means are fucking it up for the rest of us who can draw our own conclusions or rent the director's cut.
My theory? Donnie Darko got a glimpse into the future via the bunny, changed it, and died for the good of his family, his girlfriend and the stoner bunny.
i really wish swayze had died though.
"Check please."
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2005-03-22 11:17:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:34:30 (#)
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I'll give you a +2 on every post you've made on Uber if you can back this up by giving a proper review of the movie "Gummo." Let's see what you've really got to say. (Below is your thouthts.)
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That terrible movie by the hugely overrated Harmony Korine???? Hahahaha!!!!! A question to pose to you: Is your 'interpretation' of the movie the only right way? Because (and its been said before, especially on the reviews of this post) there is more then one way to view an 'art' piece, and different views are not neccessarily right or wrong.
My thoughts on Gummo. First, it was terrible. Creating a dismal world with bleak characters does not make a movie watchable, despite the underlying subtle points. Example: Kubrick's 'Eyes Wide Shut' deals with and creates ton's of points, but it keeps you captivated throughout, It's beautiful to look at and the cast is outstanding. Ohh yeah, back to the shitfest Gummo. Secondly, it rips off a 1928 short film called "Un Chien Andalou," by Luis Bunuel and Salvador Dali
although I cringe, because that almost seems like a compliment. I guess what you want is an interpretation of this 'art'.
This movie is on one level is about the destruction of cinema. You see this with both Korine's influences and also with the chaotic and surrealistic viewpoints throughout the movie (ie. the tornado). He is trying to destroy and rebuild something, although it's too disturbing and terribly done, in my opinion. The movie is also about a metaphor for chaos in the world, not film, and a social work on lower/middle class kids in a lower class town. This is obvious with the trashy drug habits, the lewd sexual and hygiene shots, and the way he used non-actors in a acting sort of way (this is true, most of the shots involving people, ie. the albino woman are not actors but more documentary, except it's not shot in that way). I suppose the only thing I really liked was the kid with the rabbit ears, which is a decent way of displaying adolescence (sp?) in a visual manner.
That's about it, I saw the movie over two years ago, and that's all I can remember. Do I get my plus 2's for life now?
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 10:49:24 EST (#)
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Deathjester,
The schitzophrenic viewpoint could be argued if a fucking plane engine didn't fall on Donnie's head. If his death had been through humanely possible means, then it could be argued that the entire movie was a schitzophrenic episode. But since his death is CLEARLY not by his own hands, that doesn't seem possible.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 10:18:33 EST (#)
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I think you're right on when you differentiate that Donnie sacrifices himself because he believes he can fix everything as opposed to sacrificing because he believes he is the cause of everyone's problems. That is an important distinction to make. Donnie does not hold himself responsible for the evils, errors, etc. carried out by other characters in the movie. To do so would be to act of a faux-moral driven hero, the type of superficial and self diminishing crap that he chastises others for. It would compromise his role as the anti-hero hero.
It is the subtle consistencies, such as the one discussed here, that help to make this movie amazing.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2005-03-22 10:15:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-03-21 15:17:46 (#)
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Donnie Darko was schizophrenic. End of story.
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Yeah... That pretty much does it.
Submitted by ScottMaximus (user info) at 2005-03-22 10:05:04 EST (#)
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Patrick Swayze is always full of shit
Submitted by Josephine (user info) at 2005-03-22 09:59:36 EST (#)
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Wow. It's really early in the morning and I can't believe how this took off. I'll try to cover all of my bases:
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-21 19:12:01 (#)
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After a decent stint at the top, Ess-Arr has been overtaken. Josephine is the new most accurate assessment.
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Uh, okay?
As for the central theme, as many have said I believe it's subjective; to each his own.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-21 19:36:33 (#)
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I have a question for you all: (especially Josephine) Where in the movie do you see that Donnie recognizes himself as the "Cause" of the time-rift? I Don't see that in the movie. As I see the it, Donnie understands that his death will prevent the deaths of his family and girlfriend, it will protect the naive from discovering that people like Patrick Swayzee's charater can be full of shit, it will keep the teachers he respects from the work-problems he causes, etc. Perhaps you are referring to the cliff scene where he is looking at the time-twister, but it would be appreciated if you would elaborate.
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I don't think he recognizes himself as the "cause" of the time-rift, I simply think that when he starts seeing the Abyss-like tubes of time coming out of everyone's stomachs, he realizes what's going on. Again, this is all subjective.
Submitted by Sarcasticus (user info) at 2005-03-21 21:24:30 (#)
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See, here's my big problem Inkstain. You're not 'pushing this post' as you claim, but rather your own superior knowledge of said movie. Your whole stance is an "I'm better because I GET it" front.
Furthermore, you're assuming that everyone else - because they didn't post the exact same thoughts as you - is an idiot. Moreover, you didn't post your own goddamn ideas, so, essentially, you're shooting down anyone who hasn't come up with any idea which conforms to your unsaid idea of what this movie is about.
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I tend to agree here, but I found it enjoyable to write down my own opinions of the movie. I'm not sure why it's so important to everyone, those actually discussing it or those discussing something else (like InkyFingers possible motivations.) Someone mind explaining this to me?
Submitted by Vanni_Fresco (user info) at 2005-03-21 21:32:41 (#)
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It's a fucking movie. Find something worth fighting for.
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I would love you forever if you e-mailed Hollywood with that. And Paris Hilton. Thanks.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-03-21 23:58:31 (#)
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I'm guessing you've never seen anything by Ingmar Bergman or Stanley Kubrick?
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I doubleplusheart Bergman and I regular heart Kubrick.
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-22 01:51:33 (#)
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When you grow up, try Henry Miller: "Tropic of Cancer", then, The Rosy Crucificion trilogy: "Sexus, Nexus, and Peluxus."
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Wow, I haven't heard tale of the Rosy Crucifixion in ages. Thanks.
Submitted by ess-arr (user info) at 2005-03-22 08:27:07 (#)
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I saw Josephines entry, which you liked. I'm not saying that it is wrong, but I don't like the fact that you believe Darko 'sacrificed' to fix things. I believe sacrifice carrys along the knowledge that you areaking that choice. seeing how he did not forsee 'whats-her-faces demise that leads me to believe that he didn't see his either.
His blackouts have alot to do with the future and what he was doing at that time very similar to butterfly effect. Not the same contaxt but if you've seen it then you know what I'm talking about. I still felt this movie had more to do with Donnie then the space time continuum...
great observations though...
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I think Donnie's motivations are up to interpretation, although I agree that he didn't necessarily see everything that was coming, I think he knew that he would have to take responsibility to fix everything, and because he took that I consider it a sacrifice.
Thanks for the kind words. Butterfly Effect was well made, I thought.
And I'm spent.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2005-03-22 09:56:03 EST (#)
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Dark City is a magnificent movie.
Donnie Darko reminds me a lot of Jacob's Ladder, with a dose of time travel tossed in. I suggest seeing Primer, which may be the most complex movie dealing with time travel that I have ever seen. It should be on DVD on April 19th.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 08:53:39 EST (#)
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Have any of you seen Dark City?
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 08:34:52 EST (#)
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Ess-Arr,
At the end of the movie he lets the enigne fall on him because his continued existence causes various death and strife to people he cares about. His visions of the future/time travel give him this insight. He is not trying to be heroic (throughout the movie he dismisses ideas oh heroism and other idealistic ideas, and in doing so become a sort of anti-hero hero. ), he is making adult decisions, the kind that his peers and most of the adult figures in the movie are incapable of making. Good Responces.
Submitted by ess-arr (user info) at 2005-03-22 08:27:07 EST (#)
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I saw Josephines entry, which you liked. I'm not saying that it is wrong, but I don't like the fact that you believe Darko 'sacrificed' to fix things. I believe sacrifice carrys along the knowledge that you areaking that choice. seeing how he did not forsee 'whats-her-faces demise that leads me to believe that he didn't see his either.
His blackouts have alot to do with the future and what he was doing at that time very similar to butterfly effect. Not the same contaxt but if you've seen it then you know what I'm talking about. I still felt this movie had more to do with Donnie then the space time continuum...
great observations though...
Submitted by hobbs (user info) at 2005-03-22 08:01:06 EST (#)
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I did.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2005-03-22 06:21:22 EST (#)
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I'd like to perform a series of lewd acts on Jake Gyllenhal. That is all anyone need know about Donnie Darko.
Submitted by thinning_temples (user info) at 2005-03-22 05:34:25 EST (#)
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However, if you'd been a character in D.D., a pretentious know-all, say, and you'd been stabbed in the kidney - now that would have rocked.
Submitted by thinning_temples (user info) at 2005-03-22 05:32:00 EST (#)
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>>Submitted by Badlands (user info) at 2005-03-21 15:44:01 (#)
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>>"Don't condenscend me, man.......fuckin' kill ya."
That's floyd from true romance. A great, great film.
Donnie D, yah, eh, meh.
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-22 02:11:30 EST (#)
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Thanks forensicgirl3:
Although I sincerely doubt you've ever read H. Miller.
Submitted by Galgos27 (user info) at 2005-03-22 02:10:35 EST (#)
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Holly crap 4 years later and you finally joined the band wagon. Hey guess what Taxi Driver is pretty good too.
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-22 01:51:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-03-22 01:18:16 (#)
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Ok I'm done, but remember, Donnie Darko is only a hard movie to understand if you're SAT score is below a 1100....
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When you grow up, try Henry Miller: "Tropic of Cancer", then, The Rosy Crucificion trilogy: "Sexus, Nexus, and Peluxus."
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-22 01:24:03 EST (#)
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From DanielH.:
It was "someone" I responded to. This person, "someone" I challenged to review the movie "Gummo," since they seemed to have the inside track on D. Darko. I mentioned several times that I love this movie, DD, and do not think it trendy.
I think you have great taste in movies, although "someone" thinks" otherwise.
But that's what's cool about life, experiencing new ideas/things
later d
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-03-22 01:18:16 EST (#)
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Ok I'm done, but remember, Donnie Darko is only a hard movie to understand if you're SAT score is below a 1100, you work at McDonalds for 12 years because 'you're saving to get out', you think The Velvet Underground is shit music, or you fail to see religious symobolism in Jack Kerouac's 'On The Road'.
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Ahhhh....
Kerouac...'On The Road'.....now THAT had a profound impact on me! Bless you for mentioning it but also shame on you for forgetting 'Howl' by Ginsberg.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-03-22 01:06:41 EST (#)
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InkyFingers you stupid shit.
They're talking about Graham Greene's 'The Destructors.'
The kids don't burn the money because it's evil, they burn it because they want to see what happens when they tear down the world around them.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:55:57 EST (#)
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Movie Interlude: When the English class is talking about the previous nights reading, Donnie explains that the children burn the money because it is the root of all their problems. An argument could be made (although not difinitively supported in the movie) that this is a paraphrase of the movie. Although the money is immensely valuable to the poor children, they destroy it because it is the root of their problems. Likewise, once Donnie believes that he is the cause of his family/girlfriend/neighbor's troubles, he decides that removing himself is the best course of action.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:51:03 EST (#)
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I'm confused Daniel. Are you asking me to assess "Gummo", or are you talking to the author of that responce?
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:34:30 EST (#)
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I'll give you a +2 on every post you've made on Uber if you can back this up by giving a proper review of the movie "Gummo." Let's see what you've really got to say. (Below is your thouthts.
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I understood that movie 100 percent, and I'll say while the idea is OK, it's gotten way to trendy [agree totally, but this does not detract from the flick] (this post is an example, meaning you are a fucking moron) with people always acting like they 'get it' more then the next moron. Here's a thought: The movie is not that complicated!!! It mixes a little sci-fi, a little religion, and a fair amount of math and science surrounded by a bunch of dismal actors and terrible sets. The only original idea was the guy in the rabbit suit, it added a little bit of supsense to the otherwise cliched plot. It was a good movie, it's just far overrated. Minus 2 for thinking you're some kind of elitist fuck: I'm miles ahead of you bitch.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:21:48 EST (#)
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I know what you're talking about. I went through that "phase" right after I saw the movie. And I knew I was going through it, so I was careful how I talked about it. Cuzz intellectuals who talk like coked out cheerleaders don't help their cause. But, I'm not speaking from that "phase". That time has passed. I have seen the movie change people. And it is still powerful for me today. This isn't a lack of ability to maturely express myself, this is standing up for something I see is significant and making sure it gets the credit it deserves.
And about being an elitist bastard.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:20:56 EST (#)
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Watch Eyes Wide Shut. Although I think he has far better movies, you might appreciate the angle based on what some of your
RESPONSES. Ok I'm done, but remember, Donnie Darko is only a hard movie to understand if you're SAT score is below a 1100, you work at McDonalds for 12 years because 'you're saving to get out', you think The Velvet Underground is shit music, or you fail to see religious symobolism in Jack Kerouac's 'On The Road'.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:16:04 EST (#)
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I haven't seen enough Kubric. I need to rewatch the Space Odyssey movies. Any others you would reccomend?
Another comment about Donnie Darko: The "crazy" old woman repeats actions over and over because she is waiting for time slips. She isn't just walking around all crazy. She rechecks the mail box to see if she (or someone) has altered the past and changed the present. Other movements along the road (her placement, etc.) indicate that she is aware of what will or has happened there, and she is moving to avoid it.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:13:14 EST (#)
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Wiggles: Rock on bro, I agree, especially with the two movies you mentioned. It's amazing some dork sees a slightly
'artsy' movie and thinks he's on to some hot new shit. I love people like this, because when they tell me their amazing
'superior' view to their movie, I laugh because it's what everyone with 0000002% of a functioning brain would think.
YOU'RE COOKIE CUTTER AT BEST, MORON.
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:12:08 EST (#)
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watch GardenState
Submitted by SpikeGoddess (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:10:19 EST (#)
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did you get the schitzophrenia stuff? if you give me an adequate and intelligent explaination of that angle, i will +2 you. if not, i will explain it and -2 you for being an arrogant fuck.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:06:54 EST (#)
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It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but it's nothing more than a puzzle with a dull message. If you want to watch a movie that is endlessly thought-provoking while still being entertaining (other than 2001, but that's a different story), watch basically anything by Kubrick from Strangelove throuh Eyes Wide Shut.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-22 00:03:20 EST (#)
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My bad, I was focusing on more important things. But we can play with the letter blocks until recess is over.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2005-03-21 23:59:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2005-03-21 15:47:00 (#)
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That the movie engages various perspectives is accurate, but there is a central idea. It is one idea that rules the main character's behavior throughout, and decides the movies outcome. It is listed in one of my earlier responces in this post.
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This fucking moron can't even spell 'response' and he's trying to debate 'intro' philosophy, psychology, math and science? I'm laughing my ass off right now, if it makes you feel any more stupid.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-03-21 23:58:31 EST (#)
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I'm guessing you've never seen anything by Ingmar Bergman or Stanley Kubrick?
Submitted by fieldsr (