Terri Schiavo, What You Don't Know... (1436 hits)
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Submitted by Strider <jesseisquite.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2005-03-22 14:15:01 EST
This is the sworn affidavit of Carla Sauer Iyer, an LPN who treated Terri Schiavo.
Here is the link to the original source:
http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/aff2.pdf
Here are links to two other affidavits by other nurses who corroborate what Carla Iyer claims:
http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/aff1.pdf
http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/aff3.pdf
The second link is just as imformative as what I've transposed here.
The media is not reporting everything about this case. I think these affidavits are very important to this situation. Judge Greer has to be aware of these statements but obviously has ignored them, and, in my my mind, must have some kind of agenda in ruling as he did.
This is a long read. It might even be easier to read the .pdfs from the links.
Affidavit
STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF PINELLAS
BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says:
1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge.
2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years.
3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April of 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there.
4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction "Do what Michael Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated." This struck me as extremely odd.
5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as "This is my order and you're going to follow it." He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting.
6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because Michael wanted nothing done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying it was therapy.
7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented by Michael. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as "mommy", and "help me." "Help me" was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try and say the word "pain" when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like "pay." She didn't say the "n" sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying "pay" and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in be, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper and scooted in bed on her bottom.
8. When I came into her room and said "Hi, Terri", she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying "Haaaiiiii" sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a "hi", which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound, being only a second or two long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that.
9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say "When is she going to die"," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include "Can't anything be done to accelerate her death - won't she ever die?" When she wouldn't die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure the parents aren't contacted." I recorded Michael's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter.
10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like, "Hallelujah! You've made my day!" He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking is she was dead yet. He would blurt out "I'm going to get rich!" and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things.
11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was the Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don't have any way of knowing for sure.
12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients too. There was an LPN named Carolyn Adams, known as "Andy" Adams who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as "They are old - let them die." I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my "rocking the boat."
13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by Michael. In fact, they seemed to very close, and Adams would do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him.
14. I have contacted the Schindler family because I couldn't just stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known.
FURTHER THE AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT.
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Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2005-04-27 15:28:38 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/65174#1292749
Plus 2 for this
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-29 15:12:19 EST (#)
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Isn't that cunt dead yet?
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-29 14:57:56 EST (#)
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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/rssstory.mpl/front/3106365
I wonder if they'll try and take out the Pope's feeding tube too...
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-23 12:30:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-03-23 10:58:26 (#)
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If you think I would waste even a tiny shred of energy on bearing a hostile sentiment towards you, you seriously need to get over yourself.
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Oh, but you do. You live for the drama in your life. You THRIVE on it. You don't just expend energy on me, but every person on Uber that you can get to debate and argue with you. My guess is that a lot of the drama you have in your life was brought on by this need.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-03-23 10:58:26 EST (#)
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If you think I would waste even a tiny shred of energy on bearing a hostile sentiment towards you, you seriously need to get over yourself.
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-23 09:56:31 EST (#)
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"What is the Jury's Role at Trial?
The Sixth Amendment guarantees a criminal defendant the right to be tried before an "impartial jury," representative of a cross-section of the community, which will consider the evidence against the defendant and decide whether to find him or her guilty of the crime(s) charged. In almost all states, 12 jurors must agree in order to find a defendant "guilty" or "not guilty." In such states, if the jury fails to reach a unanimous verdict and finds itself at a standstill (a "hung" jury), the judge may declare a "mistrial," after which the case may be dismissed or the trial may start all over again."
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HadToBeDone, you are correct. I suck. This just goes to show horrible my government class was in HS. So that just blows away my analogy down below. Dang.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2005-03-23 07:43:38 EST (#)
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STFU already!
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-23 07:38:10 EST (#)
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"What is the Jury's Role at Trial?
The Sixth Amendment guarantees a criminal defendant the right to be tried before an "impartial jury," representative of a cross-section of the community, which will consider the evidence against the defendant and decide whether to find him or her guilty of the crime(s) charged. In almost all states, 12 jurors must agree in order to find a defendant "guilty" or "not guilty." In such states, if the jury fails to reach a unanimous verdict and finds itself at a standstill (a "hung" jury), the judge may declare a "mistrial," after which the case may be dismissed or the trial may start all over again."
- http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/criminal_rights/criminal_rights_courtroom/speedy_jury_trial.html
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-23 07:21:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-23 01:10:55 (#)
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"Uh...sparky? In the US, reasonable doubt = aquittal, not life in prison. So by your logic, since we aren't sure if she's braindead or not, she ought to be up and dancing a jig by default...."
Sorry, that wasn't clear.
Doubt by some jurors but majority says guilty (non-unanimous, 9-3 say guilty) = no death penalty but a life sentence.
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I assume you mean in the sentencing phase. In most states the actual verdict must be unaninmous, or it is a hung jury and a mistrial.
Submitted by Huber_the_Nose (user info) at 2005-03-23 03:37:53 EST (#)
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OK.....You ever been in a hospital? Ever work at a hospital? I have a very hard time believing all this to be true. Doctors and nurses don't let their treatment be dominated like that. If Mr. Schiavo was being such a nuisance, they would have done something against it.
Either way......LET HER DIE
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2005-03-23 03:07:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:24:03 (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:19:49 (#)
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Let
her
die
in
peace
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-23 01:10:55 EST (#)
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"Uh...sparky? In the US, reasonable doubt = aquittal, not life in prison. So by your logic, since we aren't sure if she's braindead or not, she ought to be up and dancing a jig by default...."
Sorry, that wasn't clear.
Doubt by some jurors but majority says guilty (non-unanimous, 9-3 say guilty) = no death penalty but a life sentence.
Submitted by Electro (user info) at 2005-03-23 01:06:49 EST (#)
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So... people wonder...
What is my opinion on this subject?
You shall find out soon...
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-23 00:55:25 EST (#)
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Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-23 00:26:58 (#)
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"I can't prove it, it's just a feeling. I have no evidence. Your'e right."
But I see this as applying as a resonable doubt, just like when sentencing someone to death. Any doubt by jurors and they don't vote unanimously -> life in prison, no death penalty.
Terri is being sentenced to death and their is reasonable doubt as to the circumstances leading to her current condition.
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Uh...sparky? In the US, reasonable doubt = aquittal, not life in prison. So by your logic, since we aren't sure if she's braindead or not, she ought to be up and dancing a jig by default....
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-03-23 00:47:13 EST (#)
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This nurse probably made the comments out of revenge. I think queenashlee is right...
The fact is this...even if her husband DID do something to her, there won't be a day ...ever... where she can wake up and tell the media about it.
If there are any lies going on in the media it is by the parents who greedily want to keep their daughter hooked up to machines even though she is never, ever coming back. That's plain sick.
There are even right-wing nutcase "doctors" who claim she can be rehabilitated or she is not in a PVS (persistent vegetative state) which is what is the reality of things. She is basically dead.
I liked when Michael told the media that maybe Pres.Bush or Jeb should come pay terri a visit to see what she is really like.
I just hope they can keep that feeding tube out of her long enough to where she'll die and end this sad story already.
A funny thing on the news showed a woman being arrested for going to bring a bottle of water to Terri. Like the woman can say "Thanks." And proceed to drink out of the container.
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-23 00:26:58 EST (#)
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"I can't prove it, it's just a feeling. I have no evidence. Your'e right."
But I see this as applying as a resonable doubt, just like when sentencing someone to death. Any doubt by jurors and they don't vote unanimously -> life in prison, no death penalty.
Terri is being sentenced to death and their is reasonable doubt as to the circumstances leading to her current condition.
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-23 00:16:18 EST (#)
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"I have just as much proof that the chick was lying as you have that she was telling the truth. How's that, you snot-nosed little shit?"
Such hostility, and why?
These were signed affidavits. They could all be charged with perjury if they were lying. For what reason would they want to lie?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-23 00:15:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:43:28 (#)
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What really happened: Nurse gets fired for being incompetent, Terri Schivo's family offers her obscene amounts of money to say these things about the husband and the hospital.
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Maybe not incompetent, but that nurse would be in some deep shit if she did that now. She admits to breaching patient confidentiality. I love HIPAA violations.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-03-22 23:42:01 EST (#)
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Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-22 17:08:29 (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:43:28 (#)
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What really happened: Nurse gets fired for being incompetent, Terri Schivo's family offers her obscene amounts of money to say these things about the husband and the hospital.
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Proof QueenAsslee?
I have just as much proof that the chick was lying as you have that she was telling the truth. How's that, you snot-nosed little shit?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-22 22:40:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-22 21:45:42 (#)
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The fact is that no....He didn't try crap. Nurses are saying he didn't and her close family are saying he didn't. Within the next 2 years he was with someone else. Seems like he really was trying.
I say keep the law out of it and attack that scumbag Michael Schiavo.
AND he didn't move her to texas because he didn't and doesnt' give a shit.
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You're looking ta someone who worked there MORE THAN 5 YEARS AFTER. Which fits my timeline perfectly. Fucking tool.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-03-22 22:20:55 EST (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:24:03 (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:19:49 (#)
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Let
her
die
in
peace
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Or in pieces...
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-22 22:08:57 EST (#)
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If a parent cares for a child all their life and does all it can for the child, then the child suffers from an injury that leaves it paralyzed and unable to do anything by theirself, and the parents have another kid and want to move on, is it neglect?
I know, you're going to say "BUT MICHAEL probably DIDNT CARE FOR HIS WIFE AND HE ABUSED HER AND BLAH BLAH BLAH," prove it. As long as you can't prove he abused her, and I can't prove he was Husband of the Year, neither of us can argue from that perspective. Your problem? You tried to.
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From the beginning I said I had a bad feeling. However, I'm not the only one who thinks he's not good. I'm not running to florida to plug her back in. I'm just curious what kind of man he really is.
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I can't prove it, it's just a feeling. I have no evidence. Your'e right.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-22 22:07:56 EST (#)
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If a parent cares for a child all their life and does all it can for the child, then the child suffers from an injury that leaves it paralyzed and unable to do anything by theirself, and the parents have another kid and want to move on, is it neglect?
I know, you're going to say "BUT MICHAEL probably DIDNT CARE FOR HIS WIFE AND HE ABUSED HER AND BLAH BLAH BLAH," prove it. As long as you can't prove he abused her, and I can't prove he was Husband of the Year, neither of us can argue from that perspective. Your problem? You tried to.
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From the beginning I said I had a bad feeling. However, I'm not the only one who thinks he's not good. I'm not running to florida to plug her back in. I'm just curious what kind of man he really is.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-22 22:05:29 EST (#)
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Within the next 2 years? Awesome, looks like we have a fortune teller on our hands!
If you meant in the last 2 years, he was with someone else, there is no denying that. I mean how can you actually leave your near-vegetable wife and try to move on? I'm pretty sure you can have sex with her as long as the doctors aren't looking, right? And all that money he pays to keep her alive is just spare change, right?
You're a fucking retard. He didn't cause it by abusing her. Unless he stuck her head in a microwave and threw her off the roof of his house, I seriously doubt foulplay in this respect. And you're forgetting something. He didn't just pull out the tube one day and forgot about her. He had to fight through the courts, who examined the case. The courts looked at all the evidence and testimonies and concluded that she can not recover from her state. You don't even need a court to realize that this woman is in an existance of eternal suffering and indignity. Saying otherwise is like saying that a person with Down's Syndrome is happy all the time just because it looks like they're smiling.
And I think that "move her to Texas" remark was more of sarcasm than an actual suggestion, dumbfuck.
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Calm the fuck down.
Please.
I'm just saying that he's not fit to be a guardian.
Secondly, I think if she is really, really unable to recover then yes, she'd probably want to die. But, I don't think starving to death is a humane way to go. Mass murderers get more dignity than that.
All i'm saying that Mr. Schiavo is a cock.
Call me anything you want. *shrug*
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2005-03-22 22:02:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-22 21:48:45 (#)
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If a parent neglects a child, the child is taken away from the bad guardian...?
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If a parent cares for a child all their life and does all it can for the child, then the child suffers from an injury that leaves it paralyzed and unable to do anything by theirself, and the parents have another kid and want to move on, is it neglect?
I know, you're going to say "BUT MICHAEL probably DIDNT CARE FOR HIS WIFE AND HE ABUSED HER AND BLAH BLAH BLAH," prove it. As long as you can't prove he abused her, and I can't prove he was Husband of the Year, neither of us can argue from that perspective. Your problem? You tried to.
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2005-03-22 21:59:56 EST (#)
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The fact is that no....He didn't try crap. Nurses are saying he didn't and her close family are saying he didn't. Within the next 2 years he was with someone else. Seems like he really was trying.
I say keep the law out of it and attack that scumbag Michael Schiavo.
AND he didn't move her to texas because he didn't and doesnt' give a shit.
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Within the next 2 years? Awesome, looks like we have a fortune teller on our hands!
If you meant in the last 2 years, he was with someone else, there is no denying that. I mean how can you actually leave your near-vegetable wife and try to move on? I'm pretty sure you can have sex with her as long as the doctors aren't looking, right? And all that money he pays to keep her alive is just spare change, right?
You're a fucking retard. He didn't cause it by abusing her. Unless he stuck her head in a microwave and threw her off the roof of his house, I seriously doubt foulplay in this respect. And you're forgetting something. He didn't just pull out the tube one day and forgot about her. He had to fight through the courts, who examined the case. The courts looked at all the evidence and testimonies and concluded that she can not recover from her state. You don't even need a court to realize that this woman is in an existance of eternal suffering and indignity. Saying otherwise is like saying that a person with Down's Syndrome is happy all the time just because it looks like they're smiling.
And I think that "move her to Texas" remark was more of sarcasm than an actual suggestion, dumbfuck.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-22 21:48:45 EST (#)
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If a parent neglects a child, the child is taken away from the bad guardian...?
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-22 21:45:42 EST (#)
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No, it's the fact that most of her cerebral cortex is now liquid and there is no brain matter to take over that leads him to wish this. What that doesn't note is that he spent almost 5 years trying every sort of therapy imaginable, including experimental surgeries before he finally gave up and agreed with the doctors.
It's not about killing her. It never was. It's about who the state says is her legal guardian, and Florida says it's her husband. This is ALL her parents' fault for thinking they should be able to change the law with a lawsuit.
Fact is, he should have moved her to Texas so they facility could take the tube out on their own, under a law that Bush signed.
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The fact is that no....He didn't try crap. Nurses are saying he didn't and her close family are saying he didn't. Within the next 2 years he was with someone else. Seems like he really was trying.
I say keep the law out of it and attack that scumbag Michael Schiavo.
AND he didn't move her to texas because he didn't and doesnt' give a shit.
Submitted by mad_scientist (user info) at 2005-03-22 21:36:28 EST (#)
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Just let her die....
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-03-22 21:14:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:25:27 (#)
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I can't believe they will let her starve to death. Why doesn't her husband simply divorce her?
Her existence IS dignified and she has people who love her. Why kill her? Who's next? People with autism? Anyone over age 70? Bush supporters? Brain dead is a relative term.
Society needs people like Terri, she helps us to express a tytpe of intense, extreme compassion our society sorely lacks. He existence is not an artificial one, she simply cannot swallow on her own. So she deserves to die? If she left written wishes to be killed off - fine. Otherwise it is important to err on the side of compassion, and as a society set an example that says every life is worth something - otherwise the value of our own lives are collectively diminished, and we proceed down a path to the categorization of whose lives are worth the most.
The US Govt. should stay out of this one tho. I donno. It's all fucked up.
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No, it's the fact that most of her cerebral cortex is now liquid and there is no brain matter to take over that leads him to wish this. What that doesn't note is that he spent almost 5 years trying every sort of therapy imaginable, including experimental surgeries before he finally gave up and agreed with the doctors.
It's not about killing her. It never was. It's about who the state says is her legal guardian, and Florida says it's her husband. This is ALL her parents' fault for thinking they should be able to change the law with a lawsuit.
Fact is, he should have moved her to Texas so they facility could take the tube out on their own, under a law that Bush signed.
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-22 18:32:35 EST (#)
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I agree WhoLetYouIn. I was suspicious before reading these that Michael was dirty but now I really think the allegations of abuse need to be investigated.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2005-03-22 17:38:08 EST (#)
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These affadavits are pretty much ignored by everyone and I think they are valid. I mean, if her husband's word is worth anything, why isn't this nurse's? She's not the only one who claims that Michael Schiavo is a dickhead....
I dunno, but I have a gut feeling that the cause of her stroke and brain damamge was cause by him in some way. I don't have any proof, just a gut feeling.
It's all fishy.
but I agree that the government should stay out of it until they get something that directly breaks the law. This is all just a morality play about the disabled. The law should stay out of it...but a deeper investiagation is needed...
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-22 17:08:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:43:28 (#)
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What really happened: Nurse gets fired for being incompetent, Terri Schivo's family offers her obscene amounts of money to say these things about the husband and the hospital.
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Proof QueenAsslee?
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:43:28 EST (#)
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What really happened: Nurse gets fired for being incompetent, Terri Schivo's family offers her obscene amounts of money to say these things about the husband and the hospital.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:25:47 EST (#)
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WOO FLORIDA!!!
Submitted by DonovanMD (user info) at 2005-03-22 16:03:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:25:27 (#)
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I can't believe they will let her starve to death. Why doesn't her husband simply divorce her?
Her existence IS dignified and she has people who love her. Why kill her? Who's next? People with autism? Anyone over age 70? Bush supporters? Brain dead is a relative term.
Society needs people like Terri, she helps us to express a tytpe of intense, extreme compassion our society sorely lacks. He existence is not an artificial one, she simply cannot swallow on her own. So she deserves to die? If she left written wishes to be killed off - fine. Otherwise it is important to err on the side of compassion, and as a society set an example that says every life is worth something - otherwise the value of our own lives are collectively diminished, and we proceed down a path to the categorization of whose lives are worth the most.
The US Govt. should stay out of this one tho. I donno. It's all fucked up.
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This is an excellent post Kai
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-03-22 15:03:40 EST (#)
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munkey: get Adobe reader
zakalwe, reallybored: I did a Google search for Carol Iyer and this was the first thing that popped up. I've never been to the CNS News website before. These are affidavits, not articles written the site, thus no bias.
Submitted by j0andre1 (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:54:54 EST (#)
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Why are they killing her??
SHE LOOKS SO DAMN HAPPY!!
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:50:17 EST (#)
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milky licker
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:35:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:30:33 (#)
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This is what was on the first page of that news site:
Terri's Ordeal Compared to Christ's Crucifixion
Go fucking kill yourself submitter.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:30:33 EST (#)
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This is what was on the first page of that news site:
Terri's Ordeal Compared to Christ's Crucifixion
Go fucking kill yourself submitter.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:29:43 EST (#)
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Honestly I could care less about this case. If it wasn't for Pinellas Park being right near me and having to deal with all the traffic I wouldn't have known. Either way the important part of this whole thing is no wether she lives or dies. It's wether or not the US Gov can do whatever the fuck it wants, whenever it wants to do it.
You opinions not included.
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:27:47 EST (#)
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do people really get their news from sites like http://www.cnsnews.com ?
because that is genuinely worrying.
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:25:27 EST (#)
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I can't believe they will let her starve to death. Why doesn't her husband simply divorce her?
Her existence IS dignified and she has people who love her. Why kill her? Who's next? People with autism? Anyone over age 70? Bush supporters? Brain dead is a relative term.
Society needs people like Terri, she helps us to express a tytpe of intense, extreme compassion our society sorely lacks. He existence is not an artificial one, she simply cannot swallow on her own. So she deserves to die? If she left written wishes to be killed off - fine. Otherwise it is important to err on the side of compassion, and as a society set an example that says every life is worth something - otherwise the value of our own lives are collectively diminished, and we proceed down a path to the categorization of whose lives are worth the most.
The US Govt. should stay out of this one tho. I donno. It's all fucked up.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:24:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:19:49 (#)
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Let
her
die
in
peace
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:23:20 EST (#)
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I was under the impression that she was unaware. That the part of her brain that
made her human was gone.
These links aren't worth shit.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:20:16 EST (#)
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She is an RN, not a LPN.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-03-22 14:19:49 EST (#)
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Let
her
die
in
peace