Steroids, Baseball, Homeruns, and Opinions (2099 hits)
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Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (View user info) at 2005-03-24 10:41:02 EST
Did Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire take steroids? I don't know. But as a person who has been accused of taking the drug, I have to stand up for them.
Ok, fine, look at Barry in his rookie cards from fifteen years ago. Yes, he's a small guy. He put on a lot of muscle.
When I was eighteen years old, I weighed between 140 and 150. When I was 150, I had a little potbelly going. In September of 1998, my college friend Brian suggested we start going to the gym. That was over six years ago. Now, in the winter off-season months, I weight in excess of 200 pounds. That's a gain of 50-60 pounds of muscle in just over 6 years. I even hit 200 in the winter of 2003, although I was a pretty fat bastard at the time. The point is, I got big quick.
Being that much of this muscle mass was put on at college, rumors back home on Long Island started to fly. Most of my friends became gym freaks, and we were all labeled as steroid abusers. My friend Rob, a 5'7" high school wrestler, was a chubby little bastard seven years ago in high school. Now, he's a giant, weighing in about the same as me, except he's much shorter so he looks huge. Rob's brother Lucas, went from a 240 pound butterball to a 220 pound monster with ripped abs. He's about 6' tall.
My friend Rick has great genetics. He's been a big guy since high school. He rarely works out. But he has the physique of some of the heaviest 'roid users in the country.
I don't blame people who think my friends, and even I, are on steroids, when they see the progress we've made. Some of my friends are easily equal in size and muscle mass to Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire. Now, you want to talk about age being a factor? The genetics that gave my friend Rick his physique came from his father. His father works out with us on occasion. He's bigger and stronger than Rick and I. There's another trainer in my gym, John, who is 43 years old. He is about 230 with about 6% body fat. Age has nothing to do with it if you know how to work out safely.
Today's world is different from Roger Maris' and Babe Ruth's day, which is something the old schoolers can't understand. I visited my grandmother last week, where she told me how disappointed she was in baseball players. I tried to explain to her, using myself as an example, that adding muscle mass is easier with today's sports nutrition and high tech gym equipment. Her response? She thinks I'm on steroids too. Great.
I worked out in a shitty gym in Pittsburgh once. It had the most archaic equipment I've ever seen. If the homerun hitters of the past were using this type of equipment, they were at a major disadvantage. Today's Cybex, Hammer Strength and Life Fitness machines are fine tuned for peak performance. These machines are many times more efficient than their predecessors. Professional trainers know more about proper ways of stretching and conditioning muscle. The technology has advanced. You can't compare today's fitness with that of the past. That's like comparing and Apple IIe with a 3 gigahertz Pentium M. Things have changed.
Sports nutrition and supplements have made leaps and bounds. Amino acids, protein additives, vitamin nutrition, and other body building aides are readily available, and not only that, but the proper way to administer these supplements with a diet have been perfected.
I'm not going to do tons of research on Roger Maris' workout routine, and it's quite possible he didn't even have one. I'm sure Babe Ruth didn't. I'm also not going to say that Barry Bonds is not on steroids - he very well could be. This is the information I've found on Bonds' gains:
"When Bonds entered the league in 1986, he was a wiry phenom listed at 6-foot-1, 185 pounds. In the 2001 season, he was 6-2 and pushing 230 -- a linebacker in a baseball uniform."
In 15 years, the man added 55 pounds of muscle. Shit, I was able to do that same gain in just over 6 years. In another 9 years, if I'm not near 220, I'll be surprised. In fact, I can guarantee that by the time I'm 30 I'll be 220, provided that I stay healthy. And I'm not getting paid $18,000,000 a year to get trained - rather, I pay $38 a month to do it.
All I'm saying is that the guy might not be lying. If the only proof people have to say that he's on steroids is that he "got big quick" or "Conseco said so" then I'm not buying it. That's my two cents.
And I'm NOT on 'roids, grandma!
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Submitted by Mario (user info) at 2005-03-29 11:13:49 EST (#)
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Amen brother, I've been accused of the same thing dozens of times, even by my own mother. People can't seem to comprehend that maybe 6 years of consistant lifting and nutrition can bulk you up some, huh? I was 165 when I started at age 16...I'm 5'9.5. Now I'm 210, and that's not even my heaviest while still pretty lean (225). Heaven forbid we took steroids, we'd be fucking enormous.
How I did some of that: http://www.ubersite.com/m/62777
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-03-25 10:21:54 EST (#)
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the picture made me laff.
Submitted by OnEdge (user info) at 2005-03-25 10:07:49 EST (#)
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Sorry, just a pet peeve, everyone comparing "bench". Like the lightbulbs I used to see in the gym, wearing the clown pants.
Probably because I suck at it. I do it because I have to bench in meets, but I think the incline BP is a better exercise, especially when you combine it with weighted dips.
I'm really basic right now; 3 times a week, full-body workouts. Alternate Platform DL/Hang Clean&Press/Incline Bench/Weighted Pullups, with Squats/Bench/Seated MP/Rows. In another month or so I'll switch to an Upper/Lower split. More concerned with diet right now, getting rid of accumulated lard.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-03-24 19:13:16 EST (#)
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On Edge-
I don't do too much on squats or deadlifts anymore, tends to hurt my back, I am training for a marathon, and mostly there hasn't been enough weight in the places I have lived for the last few years. When I did do squats I wouldn't do as much weight as I could and get sets of 12, anywhere from the 275-315 range. I do straight legged deadlifts now with about 200 lbs, for my back and hamstrings. For my quads I either do jumping exercises (not getting much more vertical, but I think it is helping my punches a lot), or one legged squats (put one leg and both arms straight out in front of squat down until your ass is almost on the ground then lift up, if you have never tried before you probably won't be able to do one) after I run.
When I eventually make it to a Ubercon we should have feats of strength, I suggest girl benchpress and keg tossing.
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-03-24 14:14:51 EST (#)
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Oh man, I wish I had some real home equipment like that - I'm freakin jealous. I have a small weight set of dumbells at home, and an adjustable bench that I was able to get for free when my gym bought new equipment, but the most I can do is make a pair of 55's - not really enough to do anything serious, except maybe an arm workout.
Your routine, in my gym, would be called "old-school", but in opinion it's bad-ass. I really fear for injury, since so many of my friends have been hurt in the past. My friend Lucas has been off for 8 months with a blown shoulder. He's limited to doing abs, cardio, and core-training. He still looks good but he's excited to get going again with a real workout. His routine is a lot like yours, he plays league football and hockey and shit.
Submitted by OnEdge (user info) at 2005-03-24 13:53:28 EST (#)
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OhEdge, you and I come from different schools of thought on training. I split each of my workouts into half bar / dumbell and half cable, machine (not the ghey machines, I mean plate-loaded machines) in order to maximize potential. When I first started working out in '98, I did tons of flat bench, squats, military press and all that shit. The last time I did squats (maybe 2000?) I remember doing 3 plates and quarters - my friend Brian used to do a plate more. Dead lifts? I never really tried them. Explosive movements have never really been my thing, although very useful in getting quick gains.
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Mostly, I try to get the most bang for my buck, tend to stick to compound movements. Squats, Deads, BP, Incline BP, Rows, Pullups, Hang Clean and Press. Try to keep workouts under and hour, 3-4 times a week. I've got a rack in my garage, with a Inc/Dec Bench, dumbbells, and about 600lbs of weight.
Weight about 175; best squat in a meet was 363, Deadlift was 431. Bench was only 242, but that's a paused bench, no chest bounce and heave.
My wife, OTOH, is awesome. 123, and she deadlifts 320 or so, squats 235.
Haven't lifted to get "cut" in a while, but giving it a shot again in a few months. Had about 3 months off, for a variety of reasons, and just in my 3rd week back.
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-03-24 13:38:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by OnEdge (user info) at 2005-03-24 13:11:44 (#)
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Couple things:
Fuck yeah, Bonds used roids. It wasn't any 15 years for him to gain the weight; the best stats I found show him at 185 in 1996, 197 in 1999, then 228 in 2001. At, what, 34 years old?
So what? No use comparing to Ruth, Maris, Aaron. Strength training was discouraged for baseball until fairly recently (1980's?), with a few notable exceptions; Kluszewski, Mays, Yaz, to name some.
You still have to train your ass off, steroids or not. Bad example? OK, and Ruth, Cobb, etc are just waiting to be named saints, right?
Oh, and screw Cybex, Hammer, etc. Get a bar, get a power rack, and lift some weight. And stop comparing benches; how much do you squat and deadlift?
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OhEdge, you and I come from different schools of thought on training. I split each of my workouts into half bar / dumbell and half cable, machine (not the ghey machines, I mean plate-loaded machines) in order to maximize potential. When I first started working out in '98, I did tons of flat bench, squats, military press and all that shit. The last time I did squats (maybe 2000?) I remember doing 3 plates and quarters - my friend Brian used to do a plate more. Dead lifts? I never really tried them. Explosive movements have never really been my thing, although very useful in getting quick gains.
It looks like your argument (regarding baseball) is parallel with mine, roids or not. Strength training was never promoted in baseball until the last 20 years - I think that is the primary basis for the recent explosion of broken records.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-03-24 12:41:33 (#)
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Pentameter-Gotcha, didn't read that.
1Point21Gigawatts-
Most people don't have the dedication to do 6 hours a week of solid weight training, that is why I would assume most people use something.
Right now I weigh about 175-180, and I bench 280-295 when I max out. I have never been a big fan of the hammer strength machines, but might start them as I get older and the joints wear out. You never feel like it is hurting your stabilizer muscles using hammer strenght?
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Like I said above, I use an equal amount of freeweights coupled with my usage of guided machines, so I haven't really seen a loss or gain either way in terms of stabilizer muscles. One thing that I cannot avoid is problems with my shoulder - it seems that no matter how much stretching I do, my right shoulder is going to go. It scares the shit out of me. Some weeks it's bad, some weeks I barely notice it.
Going to the gym for nearly 2 hours a day is sometimes annoying. I leave work around 5:30, get to the gym at 6, and leave at 8. Then I go home, make dinner, go to sleep and go to work the next day. The only day I take off completely is Friday, and on Saturday I only do general shit, like lower back, abdominals and shrugs - no cardio.
I imagine that one day I'll get married or something and I wont get to do the gym like I do nowadays, unless I build a gym in my basement or something.
Submitted by OnEdge (user info) at 2005-03-24 13:11:44 EST (#)
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Couple things:
Fuck yeah, Bonds used roids. It wasn't any 15 years for him to gain the weight; the best stats I found show him at 185 in 1996, 197 in 1999, then 228 in 2001. At, what, 34 years old?
So what? No use comparing to Ruth, Maris, Aaron. Strength training was discouraged for baseball until fairly recently (1980's?), with a few notable exceptions; Kluszewski, Mays, Yaz, to name some.
You still have to train your ass off, steroids or not. Bad example? OK, and Ruth, Cobb, etc are just waiting to be named saints, right?
Oh, and screw Cybex, Hammer, etc. Get a bar, get a power rack, and lift some weight. And stop comparing benches; how much do you squat and deadlift?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-03-24 12:41:33 EST (#)
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Pentameter-Gotcha, didn't read that.
1Point21Gigawatts-
Most people don't have the dedication to do 6 hours a week of solid weight training, that is why I would assume most people use something.
Right now I weigh about 175-180, and I bench 280-295 when I max out. I have never been a big fan of the hammer strength machines, but might start them as I get older and the joints wear out. You never feel like it is hurting your stabilizer muscles using hammer strenght?
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2005-03-24 12:12:54 EST (#)
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Indoninja, I replied to that comment below to clear up what I said.
Scroll down to find it.
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-03-24 12:11:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:56:29 (#)
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I think you are missing the point that he was already a serious athlete when he was skinny, which means he was probably on some type of serious workout regime to begin with.
Personally it is hard to believe that you could put on 50-60 pounds of muscle in 6 years. I am sure being young and maybe still growing helped, but unless you were spending eight or more hours a week lifting weights, and avoiding alcohol (both tough to do in college) I would bet on you being on roids. Not saying I think you were, but I have never met anyone who has put on muscle that fast without it, and I know a lot of meat heads. Out of curiosity, have you ever used andro, or creatin, and what do you bench?
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See? No one believes me!
No, I don't take andro or creatine. In fact, I've been considering creatine recently because recent studies have shown that the best age to take creatine is between 24-26. I walked around GNC with it in my hand for about 15 minutes last night, and put it down.
I did avoid alcohol for a very breif time in college, for most of my freshman year when I first started working out. I drink like a fish nowadays - but only on weekends. My diet consists mainly of proteins and safe carbs, like those from rice. I eat lots of sushi and fish, red meat, chicken and turkey. I use whey-protein suppliments.
Right now, I weigh about 192 or so, since I've been trimming down for the summer. I spend 1 hour, 6 days a week, doing weight training, and an additional 45 minutes, 5 days a week, doing cardio. I do not bench press because it is terrible on my shoulder - and I never do a max with anything. But for a frame of reference, I'll give you a typical chest workout:
Flat or Incline Dumbell Press:
70 lbs (each hand) for 12
80 lbs for 10
90 lbs for 8
100 lbs for 4-6 (failure)
Hammer Strength Incline plates
1 plate both sides (warm up)
2 plates both sides 10x
2 plates and quarters 8x
3 plates 4-6x (failure)
Chest fly - flat
25 lbs (each hand) 12x
35 lbs 10x
45 lbs 8x
50 lbs 4-6x (failure)
I usually then do another fly, incline or decline, on cables. I do the same thing, pyramid 4 sets.
If I had to guess at my max bench, I'd say it's like 275 - 2 plates and quarters, but maybe more. I did it once for fun 3 years ago and I was able to do a rep of 255, but with conditioning I could do much more.
My theory, though, is that it's not about the weight - it's about form and squeeze. If you do your exersizes with lower weights but squeeze all the way through with perfect form, you'll see huge results.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:59:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:52:41 (#)
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I'm a huge Yankees fan and I love baseball. As far as I'm concerned, if there was no one stopping them , why shouldn't they have used steriods? Before the controversy started, the only consequence was a bigger, stronger player. I don't really care what they do, and I don't see why people are so pissed off. It's none of our fucking business.
They're big boys who can make their own decisions and deal with whatever the consequences may be.
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If it was an all steroid league then it would be okay, however it isn't. Them using is not only illegal, it sets a bad example, and it makes it harder for people who are following the law to compete.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:56:29 EST (#)
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I think you are missing the point that he was already a serious athlete when he was skinny, which means he was probably on some type of serious workout regime to begin with.
Personally it is hard to believe that you could put on 50-60 pounds of muscle in 6 years. I am sure being young and maybe still growing helped, but unless you were spending eight or more hours a week lifting weights, and avoiding alcohol (both tough to do in college) I would bet on you being on roids. Not saying I think you were, but I have never met anyone who has put on muscle that fast without it, and I know a lot of meat heads. Out of curiosity, have you ever used andro, or creatin, and what do you bench?
Submitted by UrbaneMischief (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:43:39 EST (#)
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Well written.... but only a +1 because well...
FUCK THE YANKEE'S
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:37:08 EST (#)
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i also just joined my company's team for the Wayne Inter-company softball league.
Luckily, the place i worked two summers ago, one of the things we did was test softball bats for the ASA, and have a HUGE pile lying around.
illegal ultra responsive bats, here comes tim!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:28:13 EST (#)
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If you're like me, and enjoy comparing stats, read this post and the reviews...
http://www.ubersite.com/m/59729
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:25:44 EST (#)
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The steroid scandal is exactly what the sport needs to get it fired up again. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
I just joined my company's softball league. Maybe they'll make me piss in a cup too. Then they can't say shit when I smash some homeruns with my 34 oz aluminum bat!
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:20:22 EST (#)
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pentameter - i agree with that. its pretty much unchecked, so fuck it..take steroids.
doug- no way in hell would i ever consider the possibility of letting anyone i know even think about getting fooled by that argument.
making the sport better, and drawing fans, sure. shorten the fences. let barry bonds hit 1000 home runs. thats pretty much what they're doing in hockey, by making the goalies wear smaller pads and not being able to play the puck behind the net. Yet hockey has always been the most exhilerating sport. Ever watch a game, beginning to end, with someone who knows it? These players fl y into one another at 40 miles per hour, take 100 mile per hour slap shots, AND have a fuckassload of strategy...wait for it...here comes the kicker..
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have you ever seen the hockey players? the VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY OF THEM ARE SKINNY FUCKS! look at wayne, mario, orr, all the big names. all the best were tiny. skinny fucks, on whom i would bet my life regarding their juicelessness.
doesn't hold water. sorry. decent try though.
i played college football. i knew some kids who did steroids. i pissed in a cup. if you tested positive, you were suspended for an entire season. first offense. highschool, we never got tested, but we should have. i knew kids who took steroids then too. but we're talking PROFESSIONAL sports. if they do it, everyone else has to. college baseball? they don't even consider taking steroids.
i'm done. getting all fired up at work is never good.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:18:50 EST (#)
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pentameter - i agree with that. its pretty much unchecked, so fuck it..take steroids.
doug- no way in hell would i ever consider the possibility of letting anyone i know even think about getting fooled by that argument.
making the sport better, and drawing fans, sure. shorten the fences. let barry bonds hit 1000 home runs. thats pretty much what they're doing in hockey, by making the goalies wear smaller pads and not being able to play the puck behind the net. Yet hockey has always been the most exhilerating sport. Ever watch a game, beginning to end, with someone who knows it? These players fl y into one another at 40 miles per hour, take 100 mile per hour slap shots, AND have a fuckassload of strategy...wait for it...here comes the kicker..
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have you ever seen the hockey players? the VAST VAST VAST
i played college football. i knew some kids who did steroids. i pissed in a cup. if you tested positive, you were suspended for an entire season. first offense. highschool, we never got tested, but we should have. i knew kids who took steroids then too. but we're talking PROFESSIONAL sports. if they do it, everyone else has to. college baseball? they don't even consider taking steroids.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:11:12 EST (#)
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Fine, but you do have that hat on. And it's a visor.
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:10:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:58:10 (#)
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It's a decent post, but I can't give good ratings to anything Yankee related.
They are the scum of the earth.
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I didn't say ANYTHING about the Yankees, I just happen to wearing the hat in the picture.
And Freight_Train, everybody knows I'm cocked-deisel on this website. It's no secret, and if you were as beautiful as me, you'd whack off in the mirror too!
"Well, if my son can't come in then I'll just come in by myself!!! See you at home, Chris"
- Peter at the Beautiful Peoples' Club
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:07:23 EST (#)
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Tim - I'm not saying that it's all right for them to use. What I'm saying is that there were no restrictions placed on them in the past, and that's why they were able to use unchecked. If you could run into a bank and steal a million dollars without getting caught, why wouldn't you? Even if there were restrictions, some of those same people would have used anyway.
I don't think it's right that they use, but it doesn't matter what I think. Why is baseball the only sport that doesn't have rules for steriod use? (I'm pretty sure that they are, but I could be wrong since I only follow baseball and football.) The Commission needs to make up their minds and either shit or get off the pot.
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:07:07 EST (#)
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Try to make an argument FOR keeping steroids in baseball? Simple.
The sport is loosing it's luster. What was once the national pasttime is being taken over by Football. People aren't watching as much baseball as they used to. If you want to spark interest in the game, you need a spectacle.
If you want someone to turn away from the Raiders game in mid-September to watch baseball, then you need Bonds chasing the all-time homerun record. The popularity of the sport is decreasing, and something must be done.
Personally, I love baseball and I watch nothing else, except maybe a few Jets games and some playoff NFL games. But from April to October, I watch every Yankee game on TV. I watch at the gym, I listen at work, I listen in the car on the way home from work, and I watch during dinner. If a game goes late on Friday into extra innings, I listen in the car on the way to the bar and I won't go to a bar unless they have a TV broadcasting the game. I don't care if they're playing the Red Sox or Tampa Bay, I watch the game and I want them to win.
I just paid $30 a seat for BLEACHER SEATS for the Yanks-Sox April 6th on Stubhub. I'm baseball obsessed.
So, since baseball is losing it's audience, perhaps players are stepping up their game. Plenty of Football players are on 'roids too, and no one seems to complain about that. What about all the kids in Texas high schools on 'roids?
The shit is prevalent in sports. Everything except the Olympics is dominated by steroids. I bet even tennis players are on them. So why crack down so hard on baseball?
That's the argument for steroids in ball. I don't really agree with anything I just said though. I just made the argument.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:04:16 EST (#)
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+2 for the argument, but you and I both know that this can't hold water.
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2005-03-24 11:01:44 EST (#)
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I just want to clear this up for everybody. The reason for this post was not to defend Barry Bonds or any other baseball player. Gigawatt put this thing together just to let us know how much muscle he is packing. He even included a picture! Nice guns gigawatt
I dont want to burst your bubble. But the fact that you masturbate in front of a mirror on a daily basis does not make you a man.
Submitted by jumpinjellyfish (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:59:19 EST (#)
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Well written and thought provoking.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:58:22 EST (#)
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pentameter,
by OKing MLB players to take steroids, and allowing them to, you're pretty much FORCING every one who wants to play at that level to take steroids. sure, barry bonds may know what he is doing, but every little leaguer who needs to juice up to get onto the highschool team so he can get drafted does not.
thats not a feasible option. ever.
they have to be banned.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:58:10 EST (#)
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It's a decent post, but I can't give good ratings to anything Yankee related.
They are the scum of the earth.
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:57:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:48:03 (#)
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there is this thing called blood tests
ever heard of it?
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Sure I have, did they fail one yet? I really don't know the answer to that.
Seriously, you hate me freight_train but I wouldn't mind hearing your real opinions on this subject.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:56:49 EST (#)
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there is a huge difference between going from 150 and skinny to 200 and in shape, and going from 6'1 185 and in excellent professional athlete shape to 6'1 and 230 and cockdeisel jacked ripped motherfuckerness professional athlete shape.
i'd be crazy to say it can't be done; it can. but be honest with yourself. his hat size went from a 7 1/2 to a 8.
i have the biggest head anyone's ever seen...we all know that...i wear a 8 1/8. barry bonds, former skinny fuck, now has a head almost my size. skull growth is a well known side effect of steroid use, and one that is frequently used a visual proving point.
he's on steroids. he, along with everyone else who is doping, is ruining the game.
the bottom line is, steroids are not banned in professional baseball, and they should be. Why doesn't the players association crack down? because they don't have to. and they know the truth. The MLB Players Association is the most powerful union in the world, and one of the most powerful organizations period. finally, after nearly 20 years, we are going to get steroids banned from baseball. so what if it took government fucking intervention? if thats what it takes, have GW give the tests themselves. Baseball means too much to this country to let it fall to shit.
but baseball players like taking steroids and jacking 550 foot dingers. and if the govn't thing doesn't pull through, they'll continue to.
try to make an argument FOR keeping steroids in baseball.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:56:30 EST (#)
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Sorry, Gig, but even though this was a well thought out post, your picture reminds me of something Hidden would post.
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:56:05 EST (#)
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Point taken. Well argued and understood.
And since my post inspired this I am SO linking...
http://www.ubersite.com/m/62623
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:52:41 EST (#)
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I'm a huge Yankees fan and I love baseball. As far as I'm concerned, if there was no one stopping them , why shouldn't they have used steriods? Before the controversy started, the only consequence was a bigger, stronger player. I don't really care what they do, and I don't see why people are so pissed off. It's none of our fucking business.
They're big boys who can make their own decisions and deal with whatever the consequences may be.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:48:56 EST (#)
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I'm enjoying your white pants. Very sharp.
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:48:03 EST (#)
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there is this thing called blood tests
ever heard of it?
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:47:09 EST (#)
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Did you see McGuire at the congressional hearings?
PROOF enough for me
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:46:57 EST (#)
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You're all girly-men.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-03-24 10:43:20 EST (#)
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they don't make a 3ghz pentium M.
ahahahahhah jokes on you beefcake!