Islamophobia (823 hits)
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Submitted by Mantis (View user info) at 2005-04-21 14:48:13 EDT
Islam subject that has been thrust into the limelight by the events of september 11th. In Britain polititians, clerics, priests (etc, etc) have been trying to encourage the increase of awareness of Islamic principles because, like it or not, the country is simply crawling with Muslims. Say anything against section of society and you will be quickly labelled 'Islamophobic.' In keeping with the English tradition of been scared shitless of saying anything remotely likely to offend anyone, we have developed islamophobicphobia,' and we wont hear a bad word said against them.
Our leaders want to make it clear that those men who flew those planes into the Twin Towers had a mind set that is not representitive of the Muslim population as a whole, and anybody who says otherwise is ignorrant and small-minded...it is wrong to dislike a whole section of society for the actions and beleives of a minority of individuals.
So if you dislike the Muslim culture you are an Islamophobe bad person!!!! This is exactly the type of attitude I would like to challenge here. Do you not think we should be allowed to say we dislike the muslim culture, hate even, because, for example, the way it views women or for its treatment of animals without being lablled an islamophobe???? Is the concept Islamophobia being taken to the extreme whereby the British Muslim population can acceptably act in a way far from within the norms of modern British cuture to a level that other cultures wouldnt be permitted????
***DISCLAIMER: What I have writen here does not mean i am a racist and it does not represent my views at all, so spare me the insults. I am just encouraging a bit of healthy debate.
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-04-22 20:35:11 EDT (#)
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+1 sensible point
-1 poorly written (ha I can talk)
+1 I despise orgasised religion
-1 islamic beliefs and the Koran make considerably more sense than a lot of other religions, pick on the weakest.
=0 congrats
Submitted by Vermin (user info) at 2005-04-22 00:08:14 EDT (#)
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What I like about the Koran is how on basically every other page it describes how the non-believers should be put to death. I think that's cool.
Submitted by rdn4 (user info) at 2005-04-21 21:00:30 EDT (#)
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Its a pretty fucked up religion for a pretty fucked up region. Its high time we all started cleaning up our acts and admiring rational thought and science a bit more though.
Submitted by Duke_Diggler (user info) at 2005-04-21 20:51:31 EDT (#)
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i hate muslims. i hate arabs.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-04-21 20:42:42 EDT (#)
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Learn English.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2005-04-21 20:35:40 EDT (#)
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Which circle of Hell would a Muslim belong in, according to Dante? They believe in God, though Christians contest He is not the same one, yet at the same time they commit suicide (which places them in the Seventh). Could they be considered Opportunists? Hmm...Anyway, they suck.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2005-04-21 20:28:38 EDT (#)
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According to the Pope, I am hell bound because I am Lutheran.
Another cock in a frock.
What's the difference?
Submitted by Zombie_Reagan (user info) at 2005-04-21 18:39:18 EDT (#)
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damn ragheads
Submitted by IcyBlackHand (user info) at 2005-04-21 18:15:28 EDT (#)
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Its not really Islamophobia since its not an irrational fear, but a fully justifiable one
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 18:12:24 EDT (#)
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You hate them all every single one?
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:59:39 EDT (#)
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Don't misunderstand me though, your still wrong. They are denizens of the US. It's their home. They have as much right to live there and be accepted there as you do.
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Not when they act like the ones in my city. For instance, I wandered into a store that one of them owned. If I would have known, I wouldn't have gone in. As soon as I realized who owned it, I started to walk out. As I walked to the door, I overheard the owner (I guess) say to the other (co-owner?) "American devils".
I HAD NOT been rude to them. I simply acted as though I changed my mind and was leaving. THEY were the one's who were being assholes.
Then, there was the time that one of them hit an 8 year old with a stick out of his yard. Apparently, the 8 year old's bicycle was annoying him.
Then, there was the time that one shoved me out of my place in line at the DMV (division of motor vehicles). He grabbed both my shoulders and shoved me so hard that I fell.
Then he acted surprised when I came up kicking and punching at him.
I am after all an "American Whore."
So Bert, you can act all smug and call me wrong all you want.
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not.
I don't give a shit. I hate them.
Then
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:53:41 EDT (#)
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Ok I have to sleep so I will leave you with one final comment on all this madness.
You are all arguing from the corner of fear, the natural impulse is that of a knee-jerk reaction. Look at what you feel about this emotive topic. Think about why you feel that way and then ask yourself whether screaming "lets get the bastards!" is the best soloution.
Goodnight, it's been real.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:47:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ScottMaximus (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:44:59 (#)
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Osama is a bigger man then any of those Iraqi pussys. If their so proud of what their doing they need to be man enough to show their faces.
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Tell that to faceless US soldiers in gas masks, or SWAT teams who specifically wear masks to intimidate potential suspects.
I'm having fun here, this gets a +2
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:45:57 EDT (#)
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So have they.
I forget that saying about walking a mile in someone else's shoes but I think it might have some relevance here. Does it make it right? No, but it does explain it.
To be honest I have been to America and quite frankly the problem is slightly different to here. I sympathise with the crazyness of your general plight. Don't misunderstand me though, your still wrong. They are denizens of the US. It's their home. They have as much right to live there and be accepted there as you do.
The problem you have is with poor people, poor people are scum regardless of race, colour or creed because they live in misery. Evil begets evil and all that.
Submitted by ScottMaximus (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:44:59 EDT (#)
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Osama is a bigger man then any of those Iraqi pussys. If their so proud of what their doing they need to be man enough to show their faces.
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:40:28 EDT (#)
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Yes, as a matter of fact.
What's your point?
Submitted by ScottMaximus (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:40:25 EDT (#)
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If islamics dont like America they can go back to the goddamn desert.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:37:49 EDT (#)
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Have they ever menaced you forensicgirl?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:37:09 EDT (#)
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You are so right. I hate those immigrant scum. This one time I was walking to the pub and there was this twelve year old, half-breed walking in MY fuckin' town. So I walked up to him, started pushing him and I shouted in his face "what you doind dick 'ead, you've got a fukin' knapkin on your 'ead. That's proper gay that is" and he, like, tried to run and that but I ran after him. He was only small, like, so I caught him and kicked his leg away and shouted "fuck you, you big, gay bastard. Fuck do you think you are? Eh?" and he was, like, crying like a big gay so I kicked him untill he was proper battered.
I looked through his pockets but he didn't 'av nothin'. Gay fuckin' immigrant scum.
You avn't got a fag I could scav, mate?
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:28:16 EDT (#)
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Not that I'm proud of it (it is just the way it is) but I am very prejudiced against Middle Eastern Islamics.
Period.
It isn't bourne out of ignorance (I've studied the culture) or from 9/11, it is from years of interacting with those fuckers. There is a large population of them in the city where I live.
They are some of the nastiest, most dishonest, hostile people I know. After 9/11 they got worse because.....
"Oh Boo Hoo, Woe Unto Me, people give me dirty look because I am righteous man in the land of the infidel."
WTF?!?!?
You don't like my country (U.S.)? You think my country is "The Great Satan?"
GET THE FUCK OUT! Go home and fuck your camel.
I hate them. I wish the whole Middle East would be turned into a sheet of glass.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:09:01 EDT (#)
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Why does everyone keep batting around the term 'racist'? THe only person who has used it was MANTIS in his post saying "I an not a rascist". It's not about racism, it's about the consequences of trying to control elements of society with municipal tools.
Whilst we're on the subject inkursion (hi, by the way), what is this 'culture' you on about? Do me a favour. Define it. Right here, right now. Define British culture for me.
Submitted by inkursion (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:02:10 EDT (#)
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I wasn't suggesting or implying that they are ignorant or treat us 'unfairly' in any way either- I'm just a firm believer that if we are made to accept and respect these people who populate and introduce their cultures to our country, - then they should at least return the favour and respect our traditions and customs before slamming them and deeming us 'racist' because we're not changing our lifestyles as a result of their coming.
I'm not a racist, I'm not exactly a Nationalist either, I just fail to see the point in living and speaking for the country that you live in if you do not have some sort've patriotic pride for your country or it's history and heritage. I welcome the idea of other cultures and more racial-awareness; yet in retrospect I do not wish to see the dilution and disappearance of my own culture and countries' history disappearing into the mixer that is todays' 'multi-cultural' society. Awareness is great, but I'd choose identity and cultural individuality anyday.
InKursion.
Oh, by the way, I'm new here so "Hi" to all!
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 17:01:10 EDT (#)
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If you want a soloution then use the one we have used succesfully for centuries: bribery. Give them a nice car,a fucking big television and central heating, try to not treat them like shit (but feel free to be patronising and condesending) and westernise the shit out of them.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:58:58 EDT (#)
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Who cares whether or not they are 'culturally aware' or not? You cannot try to use the power of society as a fine instrument, if you try to say to a group of people REGARDLESS of the charachteristics of that group "be different" and THEN use the power of society to implement that chage your going to cause chaos. The power of society is a blunt and heavy instrument. it would be like trying to take the top of a boiled egg with a sledgehammer.
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:53:08 EDT (#)
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The point? Why have double standards? Both societies should respect each others believes, cultural awareness should be be a trait possessed by all cultures not just one, And no...I am not suggesting that muslims are not cuturally aware.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:46:41 EDT (#)
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Good point? WTF? Do you have any idea what the consequences of such crazy bollocks would be?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:43:17 EDT (#)
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The sad fact is that your usually best of letting people do thier own shit. Think of it this way, if you let certain people vapourise other people for the crime of being crap, what would happen to all the star trek fans? Or us for that matter?
Now the great coup in our society was that whilst the government is enfeebled, so is the individual. People are like electricity, they follow the path of least resistance. Hence why so many of us live in the structure that the powers that be provide for us. Muslims are the same, they are still people after all, and the only people who ever generally buck this trend are people with an axe to grind. Maybe they where beat up by their parents (in the case of oh-so-many chavs) or something.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:40:08 EDT (#)
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I have a mormonophobia
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:39:44 EDT (#)
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Inkursion.....damn good point!!!!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:28:01 EDT (#)
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Berty I think you might have misinterpreted me on the second point, and I am not sure i get your response. I don't really think we have enfeebled the government machine. I see your point about people learning to be open minded, but without a govt machine to allow a certain, I don't know "national standard" any country is open to immigrants starting their own community in a western country and oppressing people as they did in their homeland.
Anyway I am home for the weekend, time to drink up.
Submitted by inkursion (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:27:17 EDT (#)
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Kind've scary how right and reflective that really is of the situation thesedays in our 'multi-cultural' Britain. Not that I oppose this state or stance, I personally enjoy being able to learn about and experience other cultures... but it seems the newly founded 'Islamophobia' hasn't been counter-acted with a fear of the Western Culture in return.
I await the day that the Muslim and immigrant-citizens of the UK's can be prosecuted for their own examples of ignorance and failure to comply to our countries' rules and standards...
InKursion.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:16:59 EDT (#)
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What if that society condemns women who go out without headscarves? Or in ostriscizing (at the least) girls who have premaratial sex?
There are limits to freedom. Don't read anything orwellian into that it is a natural law. If society doesn't make laws to limit someone they are going to infringe on someone elses freedom.
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To your first point I say: Shit happens. Even in our own wonderful society certain people have it bad, paedophiles for instance, and with the best will in the world people will still be dickheads. Untill people stop being dickheads (which is theoretically possible) someone will get shat on.
Which brings me neatly to point number two. What makes our society so great is not that we have liberal laws. It's that we have learnt that freedom can be a very productive thing, so we make the laws largly un-enforcable. In other words we intentionally enfeeble the government machine. THATS why freedom is good, THATS why centralising powers, laws, controls etc is bad and THAT is why any society (such as islamic society) that has operated the genius method of using community to enforce it's laws with an iron fist are so shit.
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:15:31 EDT (#)
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I know my grammar was bad.....I have already explained my reasons for that. I know how to spell, I am more interested in people's opinions of the content.
Submitted by The_Grammar_Nazi (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:08:15 EDT (#)
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Fuck these new-fangled monotheistic religions. I'm reverting back to the Roman religion. Those fuckers had it all laid out, clear as day. Can't get laid? Pray to Venus, or just make a curse tablet. I'm even gonna add a deity: Miscellaneous, God of Everything Not Currently Covered By the Existing Pantheon. He probably won't do a lot -- I mean they DO have Robecus, God of Grain Rust -- but one wouldn't want to piss off the gods by not giving them at least a tip of the hat.
-1 because you seem to hail from somewhere in the British Isles (due to the references of Britain), from whence our common language sprung forth, and yet do not seem to have a keen grasp of it yet. And what the fuck is up with all the triple exclamation and questions marks, that angers me. And when I'm angry, I'm gassy, and when I'm gassy, I'm angry. You just slipped me into a viscious infinite loop.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-04-21 16:05:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:56:58 (#)
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The only real danger with having a go at someone's creed is that you make such behaviour acceptable in the wider eyes of society. It dosn't matter what anyone's opinion is, it dosn't matter whether the whole thing is right or wrong, all that matters is that you have the right practices in effect to create the society you want to make.
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What if that society condemns women who go out without headscarves? Or in ostriscizing (at the least) girls who have premaratial sex?
There are limits to freedom. Don't read anything orwellian into that it is a natural law. If society doesn't make laws to limit someone they are going to infringe on someone elses freedom.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:56:58 EDT (#)
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The only real danger with having a go at someone's creed is that you make such behaviour acceptable in the wider eyes of society. It dosn't matter what anyone's opinion is, it dosn't matter whether the whole thing is right or wrong, all that matters is that you have the right practices in effect to create the society you want to make.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:56:54 EDT (#)
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It's a matter of semantics - an Islamophobe is AFRAID of them.
I'm not afraid of them, I just hate them - call me an 'Islamoloathe'!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:49:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:39:39 (#)
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I dislike your politics ellsmall, but I agree with your sentiments here. I really, really hate religion. Religious people make no sense to me.
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Uh-oh someone has a different belief system than me so I have to hate them.
How is this different than a christian saying that about a muslim, or a vice versa? It isn't but you would call someone like that a religious zealot, while your disdain for people who believe in religion is okay because you know the truth and they are all wrong.
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:45:47 EDT (#)
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Hey......I know it was bad grammar....I am doing some computer programming and its frying my eyes...I am very tired. There really waa nothing wrong mith my disclaimer, I just disnt want people to start saying "you racist dumbass."
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:39:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ellsmall (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:16:57 (#)
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Organized religion is a disease that feeds on fear, fear of life and fear of death. Those who cannot muster the courage to face the reality of life and ultimate death retreat into religion and its rituals to numb thier minds to that reality. Islam is simply the most virulent form of this virus currently infecting the minds of mankind. And no it isn't wrong to hate the disease and try to eradicate it from the face of the planet.
The -1 is for your weak-ass disclaimer.
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I dislike your politics ellsmall, but I agree with your sentiments here. I really, really hate religion. Religious people make no sense to me.
This post was a -1 for the poor grammar and your disclaimer, but you seem to like Richard Dawkins, so +1 it is.
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:22:11 EDT (#)
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ellsmall...
wow...thats pretty extreme!!! Eradicate it in what way, war, or via a kind of education that will eventually lead to it peetering out??? And what will you replace religion with???...Science (I refer you to Richard Dawkins Unweaving the rainbow).
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:21:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:11:07 (#)
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Most muslims would agree that is is a book containing the precise rules as to how a muslim should lead his/her life....that is exactly how it was intended, although it is true these rules are not always clear.
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Most christians 100 years ago would have said the same thing about the bible, a lot still do today. That doesn't mean an intellegent person without religious tendencies would interpret it that way. Of course we all know christians are ignorant, and muslims have a beautiful religion so we can listen to them.
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:18:11 EDT (#)
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I aggree, theres many differnt kinds, Sunni, Shias, berber and they differ a lot. I shouldnt really have said muslim culture....that was lazy as me, muslims come from very different countries with many different cultures.
Submitted by ellsmall (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:16:57 EDT (#)
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Organized religion is a disease that feeds on fear, fear of life and fear of death. Those who cannot muster the courage to face the reality of life and ultimate death retreat into religion and its rituals to numb thier minds to that reality. Islam is simply the most virulent form of this virus currently infecting the minds of mankind. And no it isn't wrong to hate the disease and try to eradicate it from the face of the planet.
The -1 is for your weak-ass disclaimer.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:13:29 EDT (#)
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I don't know if you can sum up all muslimd into a muslim culture.
I lived for a while in Indonesia and in egypt. Both very muslim countries, although both very different. I will just come out and say it, I hated the culture in Egypt. Almost nobody had any grasp of the concept of truth. Lying, bribes and stealing are a way of life. Hard work was almost unheard of.
Indonesia was a lot better to live in. They understood what telling the truth was, and I am glad I lived there. I wish I could take back Egypt because I came close to hating an entire culture because of them.
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:11:07 EDT (#)
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Most muslims would agree that is is a book containing the precise rules as to how a muslim should lead his/her life....that is exactly how it was intended, although it is true these rules are not always clear.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:11:04 EDT (#)
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Darko raises an interesting point. As we all know religious thinking is fundamentaly limited and inferior. I loath regressive philosophies, as I'm sure you all do, and yet one cannot ignore the necessity of stability in society. Having people running around shouting "that blokes not white, fakin' brick the rag'ead!" is equally (if not more) regressive.
much as I detest religion, I am willing to show my infinite generosity in allowing this bizzare practice to continue if only for simple reason of reinforcing values that are blatently obvious to people that otherwise would not possess said values.
Got a little off-topic there but my point is that stability is important and effort to stop general anarchy and other similar muppetry is quite, quite laudable.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-04-21 15:04:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2005-04-21 14:56:05 (#)
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The koran is one of the most unique religious texts around. Unlike the bible it is not really a book of stories which are meant to lift your spirituality, but rather a rule book for life. No guess work usually involved in it, if you want the answer turn to page 48 and read about how there must be 3 witnesses to the act of rape for a man to be found guilty of rape.
Outside thinking that suggests their rule book is wrong is westernizing them and that is why we are at war with them. This post right here is an example as to how we are trying to destroy their religion and their way of life. I don't blame them from gooing all jahlalalala on our asses.
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Sorry Darko, it isn't a rule book. Why do you think there are hundreds of scholars and clerics trying to decide what it means? Why are there so many different interpretations out there? If it has such clear cut rules why do groups who all claim to be true Muslims disagree so feverently over topics ranging from head scarves to suicide bombings?
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2005-04-21 14:56:05 EDT (#)
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The koran is one of the most unique religious texts around. Unlike the bible it is not really a book of stories which are meant to lift your spirituality, but rather a rule book for life. No guess work usually involved in it, if you want the answer turn to page 48 and read about how there must be 3 witnesses to the act of rape for a man to be found guilty of rape.
Outside thinking that suggests their rule book is wrong is westernizing them and that is why we are at war with them. This post right here is an example as to how we are trying to destroy their religion and their way of life. I don't blame them from gooing all jahlalalala on our asses.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-04-21 14:50:41 EDT (#)
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to them, we are all infidels. simple as that.