September 11th- What Really Happened That Day (2443 hits)
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Submitted by Jimmy (View user info) at 2005-04-22 14:29:10 EDT
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"We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual one, our great depression is our lives." -- Tyler Durden
That said, I think one would have to be very naive to think that the US government had no involvement with the events of 9/11. Even before the fires were out, Congress was dishing out $15 billion to the airline industry courtesy of the taxpayers. Ashcroft was grabbing more power for his KGB squads, claiming that the ability to violate civil liberties would have prevented 9/11.
A war was started on the premise that a guilty party had been found, and it just so happens that that guilty party was the same group that refused to let the Americans build a pipeline through their country. No evidence was ever presented to the public because it would "harm the investigation", but fortunately government can always be trusted to do the right thing.
George Bush was never elected. Ashcroft lost his senatorial bid to a DEAD man and was then appointed Attorney General. They're all criminals in the purest sense of the word undeserving of any of the riches passed on by their parents. They are liars by definition. Why on earth should I believe one word that any of them speak? Because Bush doesn't do coke anymore, that makes him a good guy?
All you Brits reading this, I hope you're ready to come help us out over here when the next American Revolution begins.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2002-08-20 08:05:42 (#)
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well, nancy, If it quacks like a duck it's probably NOT an ostrich. I am not a conspiracy theorist but with the skullbuggery normaly employed by the establishment and America's know & documented penchant for fabricating incidents that lead to economically advantageous war, this is a conlusion that easily comes to mind. Offhand I can remember at least 6 so-called incidents, which were organized or allowed to happen by the powers that be:
1) sinking of the Maine ( examination revealed that the explotion occured from the inside)
2) the lusitania ( sending a weakly armed & unconvoyed slow ship loaded with contraband directly into an area patrolled by u-boats)
3) Pearl Harbour ( Japanese codes had been cracked weeks before, the president knew of the pending attack)
4) Gulf of Tonkin
5) Us noninvolvment in Iraq-Kuwait border issues guaranteed by D. Rumsfeld, later withdrawn - hence the I-rst Gulf war
6) USS Cole ( how does a modern destroyer allow a rubber dinghy full of explosives to come within ramming distance)
I would not be at all surprised if the 911 disaster happened with the knowledge & complicity of the US services, In fact I seriously doubt wether such a coordinated attack could be arranged without their complicity & knowledge. this does not mean that Iraq should not be neutralized - but if you allow yourself to be skull-fucked by CNN and the White House Press office then you deserve all that's comming to you.
That's right, SkullBuggery was not a typo
WHY AMERICANS REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE 9/11 EVIDENCE
April - 2005
The attacks of 9/11 were so unthinkable that most Americans would refuse to believe the complicity of their own government, even if presented with a mountain of evidence.
Very simply, it is possible to escape blame if you do something that nobody in the world believes you could do.
PROLOGUE
When I was 11 years old I sat next to my friend and fellow class clown Jeffery, quietly thinking of ways to torture the unsuspecting substitute teacher. Jeffery and I were competing comedians, always trying to "get over" on each other in school. Jeffery was good and there were no limits to what he would do.
On this particular day we sat next to each other, sharing one of the double desks with which Brooklyn school children of the 70's were so familiar. As our unsuspecting substitute turned his back to write something on the black board, Jeffery raised his arm and launched all his own books across the room in the direction opposite from where I was seated, immediately turning towards me with a look of horror and shock plastered on his face. The teacher, alarmed by the noise of the book launching, spun around only to see Jeffery's books scattered around the room. His loose leaf binder had opened up and produced an explosion of confetti in the form of notes and homework sheets.
A quick glance our way by the teacher brought into view a shocked Jeffery, who appeared to be the victim, sitting right next to me and staring at me with an expression of, "What the hell did you just do?" splashed on his face. I sat there, speechless, as the person on the right side of Jeffery's books prior to their launch to the left. I had nothing to say because the truth was simply not believable and no convincing lie presented itself.
Anyone witnessing this scene from the teacher's vantage point could only come to one conclusion, Jesse did it. Even if I tried to explain that Jeffery launched the books, who would believe me? After all, who would have done this to his own property? Jeffery would have to spend the next hour or so reassembling his loose leaf binder. There is no way he would have done this to himself. No way, except for one thing...he did do this to himself, his motive...comedy. I was the patsy for two good reasons. First, I was sitting right there when it happened' and second - I had a history of being a clown. I understood why people thought I was guilty and let me be the first to commend Jeffery for executing the perfect crime. He did the unthinkable and set up a patsy with his convincing claim of innocence.
In this sad, but true story, I was kicked out of the class by our substitute teacher. I was only 11 years old but I knew enough to understand that there was no way in hell that anyone would believe me if I told the truth and said that Jeffery was guilty of tossing his books . And so, having no proof that I was blameless, I swallowed my defeat and walked out of the room wondering what form my revenge against Jeffery would take.
The point to be made is this: sometimes, the more outrageous an action, the easier it is to get away with. Sometimes, there is no way that people can connect the criminal with the crime: the very idea of guilt is so far out of the norm as to be unthinkable.
Very simply, it is possible to escape blame if you do something that nobody in the world believes you could do. If the deed is egregious enough, even if some proof of your culpability surfaces, you'll be on safe ground. If people cannot imagine your involvement in an unthinkable action, they will simply not believe you could possible be complicit in its commission. Think about it.
THE ART OF DENIAL
Flashback to a heinous crime of the recent past: When Susan Smith appeared before the public to beg the kidnapper of her children to return them to her, the nation cried with her. Her description of the guilty assailant was so very believable. It fit right into the criminal stereotype that had been etched into the psyche of Americans by the corporate media. And for a few very long days, everyone believed her.
But there was one huge problem with her story. It was Susan Smith, herself, who killed her children. Yes, the unbelievable was true. A young mother had actually allowed her own children to drown. It was inconceivable. It just couldn't be. But it was.
Susan Smith had tried to throw the blame for her crime to a reasonable patsy. Had her story gone unchallenged, she might have gotten away with it. As it was, her crime fell apart because there was an effective investigation. Smith had no way of curtailing or controlling the inquiry into her crime. And as a result, justice was done, and Susan Smith was eventually charged and convicted of murder.
Truth and reality often can be totally unbelievable. It is very possible for people to totally deny assertions presented to them, even when provided with very credible of evidence that corroborates what they are told. A perfect example of such denial occurred when eye witness accounts of the Holocaust began coming out of war torn Europe. The unimaginable horror of what was being reported was simply too terrible to believe. It was easier to deal with the information as some sort of exaggeration and overreaction. Humans simply could not do this to other humans.
Think about what we know about acts of genocide in the Congo or Rwanda or Darfur? The art of denial is a well honed form of human self protection. Sometimes it is far easier to close one's eyes to the truth than to acknowledge what is very painful. Think about that as well.
9/11 AND AMERICAN DENIAL
In this post 9/11 era, most Americans are unable even to consider the possibility of US government complicity in the attacks on our nation even when confronted with a mountain of evidence. In contrast, many of these same people accept far less believable scenarios simply on the basis of faith and without a single shred of evidence such as believing in the existence of a God. Tragically, they seem to have the exact same blind trust in the Bush administration.
At close inspection, the official version of 9/11 is outrageously full of holes. When those of us who are knowledgeable discuss the evidence that has unearthed about that day, there is so much to reveal that we don't know where to start or where to stop. When tapped for what we know, we have so much to expose that the torrent of information that rushes can sound like the meaningless rant of a lunatic. Regardless of how credible or tangible the evidence, when rolled out in front of the public, it often sounds too far fetched or irrational to believe.
The facts that have come out about 9/11 differ so greatly from the official story that they almost defy validity. On the contrary, the official version is so simple as to be perfectly believable. It places the entire blame on the work of a handful of terrorists who hated us for our freedom. Case closed.
It is important to keep in mind that the 9/11 issue is not simply a question of whose version of a story is correct. This is a case in which millions of people would be taking a great risk. They would have to consider that the very government they have trusted and supported for more than four years may have participated in an unthinkable atrocity. That, in itself, may be impossible. By opening their minds to an objective examination of what has been discovered about the 9/11 attacks, millions of Americans would have to abandon their blind faith in this administration, and reject the mistaken belief that those in charge of our nation can do no wrong. That, too, may be impossible.
Herein lies the paradox. If the American people want truth they must acknowledge that they have been deceived. If that were to happen, and if they were to accept the facts that have been uncovered by the independent 9/11 research community, their faith in their government would be irreparably destroyed. In the long run, it is far easier to maintain one's faith in a deceptive government than to deal with the painful details of that deception.
The consequence of such denial is that people end up believing what they must, rather than what is true. As time passes, they totally erase the distinction between fact and fiction in order to believe in their government, and they find themselves living in the America of 2005.
They greater tragedy of course, is the nature of the deception that has been accepted. There are lies, and there are lies. There are deceptions, and there are horrendous deceptions that alter history. .It is one thing for Jeffery to have gone unpunished for throwing his own books around so he could claim the crown of class clown. Thirty years after the fact, our mutual friends now believe the truth, and we can laugh at what went on.
It would have been another thing altogether to have allowed Jeffery to perpetrate a Columbine-like massacre to claim that same crown. There is no way that could have resulted in denial, and there is no way that any one would have dared to laugh.
BOTTOM LINE
Ironically, it's almost funny when the fact-based 9/11 research community gathers to discuss the events of that day. The official government version of what happened loses so much credibility in the light of the available facts, films, testimony & chronicled history that it is almost impossible not to laugh in disbelief when we start to share what we know. The evidence that has been amassed is so persuasive as to rip the official version of 9/11 to shreds. And still, there is no one but ourselves to hear us.
We go on and on and on like people obsessed because as responsible citizens of the world we have assigned ourselves the task of exposing the truth. But we also have to accept the obstacles we face. We must understand how and why people refuse to believe what we say despite all the evidence in our possession. To explain that phenomenon I think about my friend Jeffery and his book launch. He did something no one believed he could possibly have done. As a result, he carried it off.
The people who were responsible for the attacks of 9/11 did something so unbelievable that most people would not believe they did it, even if presented with conclusive evidence of their guilt. As a result, they also carried it off, and the evidence be damned.
In the end, there is always the comment by those who would discredit the research and the evidence that has been uncovered. The defenders of the official version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many people could keep a secret. "Wouldn't someone have blown the whistle by now?" is the constant challenge by the champions of denial. How naïve they are.
At the higher levels of government the issue is no longer about secrecy, but about survival. The extent of the 9/11 crimes are so great that a very real scenario of self preservation has arisen. Exposing the truth about 9/11 would virtually mean the end of the United States of America as a viable power. If the good people in our government and in our intelligence community exposed the truth, America would never ever regain its credibility in the world. We would never again be respected or trusted. We would immediately relinquish our leadership position in the world and sink to the position of a rogue nation that had committed an unforgivable atrocity against its own people for political purposes. We would expose the huge betrayal of trust that has been developed and nurtured over our 230 year history as a nation.
The minute any ranking government official was charged with complicity in 9/11, this nation would be no more. We would never recover. The people who were involved in 9/11 know this. They know that there is more at stake than their exposure. They know that once they did what they did, they would never be held accountable. As I did with Jeffery, let me be the first to admit that these folks committed the perfect crime. Not in the sense that they would not be discovered, but in the sense they knew it would do more harm to the country to expose them than it would to play along with them.
The perpetrators of 9/11 knew they were they protected by the blind loyalty of the American people who would refuse to believe they could have been involved. But they had another ace in the hole as well. They knew that no one who cared for the nation would reveal the truth, for to seek justice would in essence bring down the nation.
Bottom line: the truth is out there, the evidence is real. But there are none so blind as those who will not see. Think about that, and weep for us all.
http://tvnewslies.org/html/refusing_the_9_11_evidence.html
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Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2005-04-28 13:25:44 EDT (#)
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For more of Jimmy's logic, read here
http://www.ubersite.com/m/62719
Submitted by Jimmy (user info) at 2005-04-26 18:22:55 EDT (#)
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In a sense, most people who cannot believe in conspiracies are truly arrogant. They believe that nothing could go on behind their backs, since "they" would know about it. Ergo, no conspiracies exist.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-04-25 15:59:00 EDT (#)
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You are an idiot.
Submitted by notoriousbrett (user info) at 2005-04-24 06:59:24 EDT (#)
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ZERO
only because your mom is hot
Submitted by MrMantis (user info) at 2005-04-23 15:54:34 EDT (#)
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Coincidently, on September the 11th I was throwing paper aeroplanes at the Empire State Building to show my objection to the American regime.
Submitted by UberGirl (user info) at 2005-04-23 15:22:01 EDT (#)
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Bin ladin was a foot soldier in the israeli conflict and saw america
helping the israelis who were wrong.
it was then that he declared a jihad on america.
Submitted by Feijuada (user info) at 2005-04-23 09:44:29 EDT (#)
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Eurasia was, like, Europe + Russia, and Eactasia was China plus all those shitty little countries and India.
Submitted by Jimmy (user info) at 2005-04-23 09:34:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MadScientist (user info) at 2005-04-23 01:10:44 (#)
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0 Because I dont understand the validity of the 2 questions on the linked page.
I dont understand about Building seven coming down, and I dont understand what a "put" is, referring to the investment.
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Building seven was across the street from the twin towers, obviously it didn't get hit by an aircraft, but it collapsed vertically into a pile of rubble several hours after the twin towers. That is a perfect demolition, an engineering feat. The owner of the WTC, larry silverstien, said later in an interview that he decided the 'pull it' http://thewebfairy.com/911/pullit/ . You cannot rig a building for demolition in a matter of hours. A building that large and sturdy would take weeks of planning, and firefighters do not know how to carry out demolitions. Here you can see video footage of the building telescope into its own footprint http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html
Submitted by MrWillard (user info) at 2005-04-23 08:07:04 EDT (#)
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You get a -2 because you copied and pasted this, and I've seen better.
One thing I do want to mention though, a lot of Americans believe that Bush was actually elected. When it can be argued that he was not. Kerry won the popular vote. The machines that were used in the last election were completely electronic, therefore there was no paper trail to actually prove who won the election.
If you believe the 9/11 conspiracy, you don't think it would be possible to rig the voting machines?
I predict Jeb Bush in 2008. Jesus Christ could run against him, and Jeb Bush would still win.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-04-23 07:41:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-04-22 20:11:00 (#)
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So, you ever have an original thought in that head of yours?
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-04-23 07:29:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-04-23 07:16:54 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-04-23 06:29:26 (#)
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Wait, I'm confused.
Was it Eurasia or East Asia?
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Have you read that yet????
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No bitch. That gook still has it.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-04-23 07:16:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-04-23 06:29:26 (#)
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Wait, I'm confused.
Was it Eurasia or East Asia?
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Have you read that yet????
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-04-23 07:11:41 EDT (#)
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Don't know if any of you guys actually clicked the link, but this dude didn't even write this boring over used tripe.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-04-23 06:29:26 EDT (#)
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Wait, I'm confused.
Was it Eurasia or East Asia?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-04-23 03:19:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:34:03 (#)
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Christ, not again...
Submitted by Spuds002 (user info) at 2005-04-23 01:35:14 EDT (#)
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youi get a good solid xero (but its a 0 with an x so its like a super 0) from me. the problem is people will never open thier eyes.
good presentation, abut to tell you im a little drunk and think you just cut and pasted sombody elses works so you lost 2 points for it. prove me wrong and i may fix this and give you a 2
Submitted by Santa_Claus_ (user info) at 2005-04-23 01:31:08 EDT (#)
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"That said, I think one would have to be very naive to think that the US government had no involvement with the events of 9/11."
I read that, then I checked the ratings, and, sure enough, -1.29. I then saw how massive the post was and said out loud "Fuck that, Santa ain't got time for this shit!"
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-04-23 01:25:36 EDT (#)
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Dumb question:
Why so many hits and so few reviews?
Submitted by MadScientist (user info) at 2005-04-23 01:10:44 EDT (#)
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0 Because I dont understand the validity of the 2 questions on the linked page.
I dont understand about Building seven coming down, and I dont understand what a "put" is, referring to the investment.
I'm lost as to the points that are trying to be made, and also- I dont think that those 2 questions are enough to question the entire tradgedy. I would be interested to hear an explanation of those two "checkmate" questions.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-04-22 20:11:00 EDT (#)
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So, you ever have an original thought in that head of yours?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-04-22 19:11:57 EDT (#)
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WAKE UP! Your government is more concerned about it's influence globally than it is with the problems within it's own borders. It is time for a REAL change. """
He's right you know. Instead of watching American Idol XII tonight, you guys could start caring about how your own government is attracting the hatred of the entire planet on you by wasting your tax dollars on harmless countries.
The current Canadian government might be forced to step down because the population wanted answer on an issue. You see, it's really not that hard?
Bush could've been impeached a whole while ago if people would've done something about it.
You guys don't want change. You want comfort. You're willing to give away everything so you can sit at home and enjoy your bread and circus. It's fucking sad.
Submitted by sword (user info) at 2005-04-22 19:11:30 EDT (#)
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I don't have any real complaints so I am just going to say "DUHHHHHHHHHHH"
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-04-22 18:55:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Grammar_Nazi (user info) at 2005-04-22 18:35:17 (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-04-22 17:50:07 (#)
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Mark my words, it won't be long until something changes.
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OK, I'll concede this point. In fact, I know exactly when it'll happen: 2008. THAT'S why no one gives a shit. If you don't like whatever the current administration is, guess what? you only have to put up with them for 8 years max. What's the point of a coup d'etat when the concept of "regime change" is built into the system? Douche.
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Jeb Bush.
Mandatory party solidarity.
The republican 'ideal'.
And on, and on.
I said it before, the US has a LONG history of messing around in places where they shouldn't, Iraq is just the latest example.
Not only that but there is a good chance that a Democrat wouldn't be much different in office.
WAKE UP! Your government is more concerned about it's influence globally than it is with the problems within it's own borders. It is time for a REAL change.
Submitted by testy (user info) at 2005-04-22 18:53:58 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-04-22 18:44:55 EDT (#)
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I didn't want to say anything, but it was a personal touch I added, just for you.
*kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiss*
Submitted by The_Grammar_Nazi (user info) at 2005-04-22 18:35:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-04-22 17:50:07 (#)
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Mark my words, it won't be long until something changes.
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OK, I'll concede this point. In fact, I know exactly when it'll happen: 2008. THAT'S why no one gives a shit. If you don't like whatever the current administration is, guess what? you only have to put up with them for 8 years max. What's the point of a coup d'etat when the concept of "regime change" is built into the system? Douche.
Submitted by ellsmall (user info) at 2005-04-22 18:23:49 EDT (#)
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What happened 9/11? I fisted your mom, just like I do every Wednesday.
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-04-22 18:00:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-04-22 17:36:05 (#)
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Only 3, GLALL?
What happened to the one I sent for your birthday?
Did you already shoot it at a small plane?
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It happens to be the newest room mate in my household. I'll be damned if those Patriots aren't the best chefs I've ever had the pleasure of having cook for me. Is that some bonus package you signed up for Jay or do they all come like that?
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-04-22 17:50:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Grammar_Nazi (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:26:52 (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:19:12 (#)
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The American people have lost control of their government. I am shocked that there hasn't been a revolution in response to all of this.
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In response to what? A shit-headed conspiracy theory?
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*sigh*
I suppose I should've been more specific. No, a revolution shouldn't have occurred in response to a conspiracy theory. What I meant was the 9/11 situation as a whole.
We all know the story. Bush used the emotions of a wounded people to go after resources and power for the US. I had been under the impression that the USA was NOT a country that did such a thing.
Are you not afraid to think that your government has no boundaries when it comes to international diplomacy? There is already a dark history associated with the US and foreign war (Vietnam, Pinochet in Chile, Nicuraguan Contra, Kosovo Crisis, Destructive Corporate Imperialism, etc) how much farther do they need to go before the US people finally say "enough!"?
I thought Bush going into Iraq would be the last straw that would push you people over the edge. Alas, you have short memories, and apparently more capacity for greed and ignorance than I ever thought possible.
Trust me, there are people around this world that are tired of your shit. 9/11 happened because some of those people finally did something about it. Now learn your lesson and CHANGE or be prepared for worse.
Honestly, this 'pre-emptive war on terror' will only be effective for so long until you make a whole new generation of enemies for yourselves, then what do you do? What will Bush's legacy be for you then?
You know, I wouldn't be too excited about how things are going to turn out in the middle east. Bush has a history of driving oil companies out of business with his hare brained ventures. Even though his latest one has the power of billions behind it doesn't mean it will be successful.
If you can't see the truth and be inspired to act on it, I don't know why you even bother pretending to be a nation of free, just, and democratic people.
Mark my words, it won't be long until something changes.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-04-22 17:36:05 EDT (#)
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Only 3, GLALL?
What happened to the one I sent for your birthday?
Did you already shoot it at a small plane?
Submitted by TheSunGod (user info) at 2005-04-22 17:27:17 EDT (#)
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just for making me read all that so you could make one point.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2005-04-22 17:19:14 EDT (#)
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The Truth about September 11th: It came after September 10th, and before September 12th. Also some people died that day. Then again some people die everyday throughout the world.
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-04-22 17:02:21 EDT (#)
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I think it's easier to bitch and complain about doing something than actually doing it. I think you make a bunch of good points, especially about the government letting certain warnings go unheeded, but it's human nature to make mistakes. I doubt it was orchestrated, it could have been prevented, and that's that. You want things to change? Move out of the country and write anti-establishmentarianism books until you have enough money to buy missiles. I've got three patriots right now.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-04-22 16:52:31 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-04-22 16:31:41 EDT (#)
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ignorant that is...
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-04-22 16:31:10 EDT (#)
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Jimmy's bullshit gets old fast. And you can go into all the reasons why his bullshit is exactly that...bullshit...but he won't listen, just like all the other igorant conspiracy theory dickheads out there.
Elvis is alive, too. Probably hanging out with Tupac somewhere near Area 51 where they are helping the government piece together alien spacecraft to travel across the galaxy in. 9/11 was a diversion to get people's minds off the stuff being put in the water that is used in conjunction with radio waves for large scale mind control operations across the globe.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:52:14 EDT (#)
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The only way the US population would start to give a shit about the damage Bush has done to the earth and his own country is if it became chic to give a shit about such things.
And that's the sad truth about it.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:41:18 EDT (#)
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videos about 9/11 http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/iltow_300k.wmv
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:34:33 EDT (#)
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Heat Whore.
PS: I bombed the World Trade Center
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:31:46 EDT (#)
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Well, just what are we going to do about it?
Our country is fat and happy and could care less.
Submitted by The_Grammar_Nazi (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:26:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:19:12 (#)
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The American people have lost control of their government. I am shocked that there hasn't been a revolution in response to all of this.
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In response to what? A shit-headed conspiracy theory? OMG!!!11! THE MOON LANDINGS WERE FAKE!!! LET'S KILL NASA!!! HOLY SNAP!!! TO ARMS!
Shitlick.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:19:12 EDT (#)
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The American people have lost control of their government. I am shocked that there hasn't been a revolution in response to all of this.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:14:46 EDT (#)
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Wasn't there a theory also that it was the Jews that did it?
Submitted by AngryforaLiving (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:14:12 EDT (#)
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Very well written and presented gets you a +1, but the topic keeps you from the full +2.
In particular, this comment:
"In the long run, it is far easier to maintain one's faith in a deceptive government than to deal with the painful details of that deception.
The consequence of such denial is that people end up believing what they must, rather than what is true. As time passes, they totally erase the distinction between fact and fiction in order to believe in their government, and they find themselves living in the America of 2005."
I would take that to be common sense, man. Truth is irrelevant in this day and age. People will believe what they are told because it's easier than thinking for themselves. It's why people like me have jobs, that's the game, and that propaganda engine is a highly oiled machine that will keep on chugging no matter what you or I do. It's money, baby. That's all there is. There's no one illuminating truth out there that will open everyone's eyes. It's just a question of which lie is most convenient for you to believe.
Additionally, whether or not the U.S. government had knowledge of, was complicit in 9/11, or even if Dick Cheney himself flew the planes into the fucking towers by remote control, it doesn't matter. It's done. Anyone who is shocked by the thought that the government could have something to do with the attacks, who, as you say, can't even consider that it might be a possibility is already too inundated with state propaganda to even hear you, nor do they want to. You can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved. Conversely, anyone who IS open to your message has already heard it before, and aside from the amusing anecdote about the books, you've brought forth no new information.
Well presented, though. +1
Submitted by Mr.Brightside (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:11:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
i bet you're one of those who thinks the holocaust never happened either..
Submitted by The_Grammar_Nazi (user info) at 2005-04-22 15:04:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
And don't get me started on how the Kyoto Protocol is an evil Western conspiracy to keep the Third World from getting out of its poverty. 4 out of 5 developing shitholes agree, so it must be true? right?
Submitted by The_Grammar_Nazi (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:59:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say your source ISN'T peer-reviewed in any way shape or form. Therefore, it's not a reputable source, and you should be chemically castrated for accepting it as gospel.
Submitted by congo (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:58:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Oh, Lord.
Here we go again.
No, I haven't read this yet. I'm going to clear out my afternoon schedule, so I'll have time to laugh my ass off.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:49:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I have no question that it'll stay in the negative.
Every post about this in the past 3 months has had a negative score, and the last two STARTED with good ratings for the first hour or so...
I say #3, with an average rating aroun -1.4 or so.
Submitted by Davros (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:47:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
This was reasonably well written and kind of interesting, but it loses out somewhere in its attempt to go Heated.
Jay I think this will hit #1, no question, although I will take bets on it ending up with a negative rating.
It has happened and the aftermath goes on regardless.
Move on with your life.
-Dave
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:39:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
The Illuminatis are upon us!
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:39:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Two questions:
Have you considered the possibility that the potentially emotionally scarring event of being blamed for something you didn't do at the tender age of 11 years old might give you a predisposition to disbelieve any and all plausible stories?
and
What is your stance on the existence of U.F.O.s?
Submitted by WhatTheHell (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:38:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:31:18 (#)
Ranking: -2
WHY AMERICANS REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE 9/11 EVIDENCE
I honestly wish I could meet you in person, so I could kick you in the balls, alter or not.
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TWICE.
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:35:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I blame Mr. Rogers. Him and his friendly ass neighborhood.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:34:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Christ, not again...
I say this will make most heated list, probably the #3 spot.
Anyone want to take bets on it?
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:33:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I blame the freemasons. They did it. Along with the communists and a bunch of mimes.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-04-22 14:31:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
WHY AMERICANS REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE 9/11 EVIDENCE
I honestly wish I could meet you in person, so I could kick you in the balls, alter or not.