MARIJUANA SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!! It is a horrible plant! (11240 hits)
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Submitted by G-prime (View user info) at 2005-05-03 23:47:01 EDT
Just kidding, it's really not a bad plant.
I truly believe that the government should not have the right to tell me what I can and can't do in my own home, to my own body. If I want to smoke a joint in the morning with my coffee, or after work to relax or at night while watching Jon Stewart, I think I should be able to do so, and to do it legally.
The law has never really influenced my decisions on doing something illegal. If I'm going to do something illegal, my first thought isn't that my actions are against the law and I could get arrested or fined for them, but simply that maybe it isn't a good idea. I follow my common sense more than a white sheet of paper with black ink on it. Those fat, balding white men in Ottawa (or Washington D.C. for you yanks) don't know me, and they do not know what is best for me.
REASONS FOR LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA:
Many, many jobs would be created. Imagine how many people are employed in the tobacco industry. It would take people to grow it, harvest it, sell it, package it, advertise it and people to manage and supervise those jobs. Basic economics. (Downside: many jobs would be lost. How many cops' careers depends on busting grow operations?)
The government could make lots of money on taxing it. Those buggers have always got their hands in somebody's pockets; why not stick them in the pockets of potheads?
The price of weed would drop significantly. It would become more common, being legal, and although the demand would rise, it wouldn't rise enough to compensate for the rising offer. The price would drop to about 50$ an ounce. (Canadian reckoning) Great for us who smoke it, no difference to those who don't.
The political party who does legalize it could win over many votes. (Downside: they would certainly lose many votes from the closed minds.)
Nobody, anywhere, EVER has died from direct effects of smoking marijuana. Or at least there are no records citing such an incident. Alcohol, which is legal and might I add ENCOURAGED by the government, kills more than 16,000 people each year in automobile accidents. * (See sources at bottom)
Much money that is wasted fighting marijuana usage in with the drug war could be put to better use.
REASONS AGAINST LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA:
Hmm...
People would stop believing everything the government tells them without question? Hey! That belongs in the first list!
More kids might start using marijuana, and this is not good. Although I have encouraged many friends to use marijuana, I have never encouraged a child to use it. Although it is their choice, and though I would not stop a 16 year old from using it, I would do all possible to keep drugs out of the hands of kids. But this is not really a good argument against legalization, because there are many things to be done to prevent kids from using pot. An example is enforcing penalties for those who provide marijuana to minors.
I can't really think of too many more arguments against legalization, but then again, it is quite possible that I am biased. But at least I can admit it...
This is a site I found while searching for information for this post: http://www.usask.ca/education/ideas/tplan/sslp/values/legmarij.htm
It is opposed to the legalization of marijuana. I really recommend you check it out, and if you are not appalled by some of the points they make, there must be something wrong with you. Either that, or you are just a god damned fool. Here are some of the ones that really pissed me off:
"4. Marijuana should not be legalized due to the societal implications that accompany its use.
· Addicts are willing to spend their entire life savings on purchasing the drug. If marijuana remains illegal, fewer people will go into debt to buy the drugs, thus decreasing the amount the government will pay for the social assistance of these addicts.
· Fewer families will become dysfunctional as a result of marijuana use."
First of all, I have never met a pot user who is dependant on it that they would spend their life savings on purchasing the drug. That is ridiculous. The people who would do that are a minority who seriously abuse the drug, and need to seek help. But now to attack the logical integrity of the argument; when pot is illegal, it is expensive and it is possible, however improbable that somebody would spend their life savings on it. BUT if it is legalized the cost would drop significantly. Nobody would need to spend their life savings on pot. You could easily afford a life-time supply with about a week's salary at minimum wage.
Fewer families will become dysfunctional as a result of marijuana use??? What the fuck!? That is just plain stupid. I have never heard of a family being dysfunctional because of marijuana use. I have seen many families have problems that involved pot, but never have I seen a family become dysfunctional as a result of pot use. That is twisting the problem into abstraction.
"6. Marijuana should be legalized only for those individuals over the age of eighteen.
Cons:
* In the Christian faith the body is considered a temple of God and it is unholy to fill the body with toxins of any kind, regardless of age.
* Health risks related to the use of drugs is a factor regardless of age.
* Some individuals at the age of eighteen are unable to make responsible decisions."
Holy shit, you people have to be kidding. Not everybody in the world belongs to the Christian faith, and it is absurd to press your beliefs upon others. If you are Christian and don't want to smoke weed, then by all means, don't. But don't tell somebody they can't do it because your religion says it is bad.
Yes, health risks are a factor regardless of age, but it is the choice of the individual whether or not the risk is worth the use of the drug.
Some individuals are unable to make responsible decisions? Who the fuck are you to make a judgement call like that?! That is like saying that retards (or people with mental disabilities, whatever floats your boat) shouldn't be allowed to vote because they are not capable of making the right decision. It's not your call. Moving on... The word we use for people who are unable to make responsible decisions is IDIOT. Idiots will be idiots regardless, so just let them do weed if they want. Darwin will take care of them eventually anyway. Your job is not to protect the idiots, but to make sure that the idiots don't take out non-idiots with them when natural selection comes to call.
Check out their site, read their arguments. It's worth it.
http://www.usask.ca/education/ideas/tplan/sslp/values/legmarij.htm
The point of this post is not to convince anybody that Marijuana is good or bad. I'm not trying to convince anybody to use it, because it is up to you. I can say that I enjoy it now and then (mostly now), but whether or not I recommend it is not the subject here.
"According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, more than 734,000 individuals were arrested on marijuana charges in 2000. This number far exceeds the total number of arrestees for all violent crimes combined, including murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Eighty-eight percent of those arrested were charged with possession only. Convicted marijuana offenders are denied federal financial student aid, welfare, and food stamps, and may be removed from public housing. In many cases, those convicted are automatically stripped of their driving privileges, even if the offense is not driving related. In several states, marijuana offenders may receive maximum sentences of life in prison. The cost to the taxpayer of enforcing marijuana prohibition is staggering -- over $10 billion annually."
-Congressman Dennis Kucinich (Ohio)
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/marijuana_decrim.php
"One might ask why the government of the United States, the leading oppositional force, clings so tenaciously to this insular and harmful policy? The answer, of course, is the fear that as people gain more experience with cannabis as a medicine they will discover for themselves that its toxicity has been greatly exaggerated, its usefulness undervalued, and that it can be used for purposes the government disapproves of. Having made these discoveries, they will be less supportive of the present prohibition and its enormous costs [...]"
-Lester Grinspoon, MD
'Why won't government let us use marijuana as medicine?'
http://www.rxmarihuana.com/why_won't_the_government.htm
Joycelyn Elders, M.D., former U.S. Surgeon General, wrote in a 3/26/04 editorial published in Rhode Island's Providence Journal:
"Unlike many of the drugs we prescribe every day, marijuana has never been proven to cause a fatal overdose."
(3/26/04)
The Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) report, "Mortality Data From Dawn, 2000," published 7/01 by the Office of Applied Studies, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), noted on page 25;
"Marijuana is rarely the only drug involved in a drug abuse death. Thus, in most cases, the proportion of marijuana-involved cases labeled as 'One drug' (i.e., marijuana only) will be zero or nearly zero."
(July, 2001)
Sources for stats on alcohol:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html
http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/InTheNews/MedicalReports/index.html
Source for medical facts:
http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=5-C-Subs-1.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=5&rnd=524.6274407058379
Here are some other sites that I found useful:
http://www.taima.org/drugfacts/sound.htm
http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html
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Submitted by dluther31 (user info) at 2007-12-18 02:05:20 EST (#)
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You have a good point on marijuana. Looking into its history is an academic essay http://essaybuzz.com/browse.php?cat=17&n=History%20Term%20Papers
Submitted by digdug (user info) at 2006-02-18 18:13:14 EST (#)
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Heard all of this before. Learn me something new about pot.
Submitted by Sicknote (user info) at 2006-02-18 17:20:29 EST (#)
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My dad's pretty uptight. Drinks a a lot, but a typical straight laced working class bloke from South London, smoked a joint when he was 18 but nothing more, kinda guy. When discussing drug use with him a few years back he suggested something which makes so much sense and yet you'd get laughed out of the building for suggesting it to anyone in power.
Legalise all drugs.
Make opiates prescription only if you want, sell to over 21s, tax the fuck out of them, use the cash to, I don't know, dig the NHS out of the hole it's in. Save some premature babies, whatever. No more kids dying from pills cut with bleach, no more desperate drug mules ODing, no more middleman dealers being shot. If you're stupid enough to do anything hardcore, chances are the law isn't going to stop you anyway - putting users in prison is crazy, so chase the dealers. No longer will our hard earned drug monies be going towards funding organised crime, terrorism, the white slave trade and other nasties. Instead, light up a joint and pay for a pensioner's heart pills for the day.
Unfortunately cannabis has not been decriminalised in London - there was a pilot scheme in Lambeth where if you only had a small amount, the cops would just give you a warning and take it off you (for their own uses, no doubt...) but it is still 100% illegal.
I find it weird the US has enough money to put stoners in prison but you have to
PAY for healthcare?
Submitted by Hash_brownie_supreme (user info) at 2006-02-18 16:19:06 EST (#)
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Marijuana is the best.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-07 21:27:55 EST (#)
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Alcohol is worse for you than weed. How many people died of OD'ing on marijuana? Plus, instead of fist-fights at bars ... people would be all happy and shit.
Submitted by leilani (user info) at 2006-02-07 21:05:17 EST (#)
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yes.
Submitted by negativesid (user info) at 2005-12-08 11:59:40 EST (#)
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I totally agree with this.
Submitted by Yes (user info) at 2005-11-18 14:01:16 EST (#)
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I think nowadays its only illegal because it is too easy to grow. Everybody would be able to grow it (it is a WEED afterall) and the gov't wouldn't be able to tax it. If the gov't doesn't get their money, NOBODY gets to have fun. It's the American way.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-18 13:31:05 EST (#)
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And yes, I know what mininum wage is. Not where you live, maybe, but where I live it is 6.80 and hour. That's before the taxes.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-18 13:30:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by hcp28 (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:43:00 (#)
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Nobody would need to spend their life savings on pot. You could easily afford a life-time supply with about a week's salary at minimum wage.
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That was hilarious. You think legalized pot is going to cost like $.02 a pack or something? A life-time supply for a week's salary? At minimum wage? WTF?!?! Do you even know what minimum wage is? If pot was ever legalized it would cost a bundle, simply because it would cost for intial production and harvesting fees, developing a plant that could be mass produced and harvested consistently isn't free you know. You pot heads think everything will be just fine if your precious plant is legal, you know what? It won't. I repeat it will not! Your life will suck just as much. Also, the way cigarrette smokers are being chastized these days you guys would never be allowed to smoke the buddha anywhere but in your house or in a pot den, via Amsterdam. So what would it matter just keep it the way it is and keep smoking it. It's not like you would get out to vote or anything as it is. Pot heads don't care about politics.
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Man, you are so fucking stupid. Potheads don't care about politics? I get so riled up about politics when I'm high I rant and rant and rant, and nobody wants to hang around me until I learn to shut up and enjoy the high. Don't generalize.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-11-16 00:11:58 EST (#)
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the truth is that pot is better illegal. I can get it easily and so can anyone with an ounce of social skill. It's cheap as fuck. If it was legalised, we couldn't smoke it anywhere but at home anyway. Last time a cop busted down your door for having a half ounce and smoking a joint? thought so.
Dealers get busted. Dealers and people that drive like assholes while they're riding dirty.Don't be dumb and you'll see no difference in the legality of marijuana.
Everything's fine. If you're not stupid you don't get busted. You can get it. You can get high. Why fuck with a good thing?
Submitted by MisterMojoRisin (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:53:21 EST (#)
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Marijuana is such a miserable drug, and users of the demon weed amount to nothing! I mean, shit, Carl Sagan, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, William Shakespeare, not to mention all of the artists and musicians... They ALL deserve to be shot. Fucking potheads. Derelicts. God damned dredges on society.
Submitted by hcp28 (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:43:00 EST (#)
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Nobody would need to spend their life savings on pot. You could easily afford a life-time supply with about a week's salary at minimum wage.
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That was hilarious. You think legalized pot is going to cost like $.02 a pack or something? A life-time supply for a week's salary? At minimum wage? WTF?!?! Do you even know what minimum wage is? If pot was ever legalized it would cost a bundle, simply because it would cost for intial production and harvesting fees, developing a plant that could be mass produced and harvested consistently isn't free you know. You pot heads think everything will be just fine if your precious plant is legal, you know what? It won't. I repeat it will not! Your life will suck just as much. Also, the way cigarrette smokers are being chastized these days you guys would never be allowed to smoke the buddha anywhere but in your house or in a pot den, via Amsterdam. So what would it matter just keep it the way it is and keep smoking it. It's not like you would get out to vote or anything as it is. Pot heads don't care about politics.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:35:39 EST (#)
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well I like it illegal. It's easy to find, cheap, and puts me in touch with people that can sell me crack and heroin.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:26:51 EST (#)
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Sphagnum, how does me smoking pot in my house have adverse effects on anybody but me?
Submitted by mythoughtsare (user info) at 2005-09-15 06:52:29 EDT (#)
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pro-high fun
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2005-09-15 06:41:11 EDT (#)
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I probably should have read on, you make some good points.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2005-09-15 06:39:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2005-09-15 06:34:38 (#)
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"I truly believe that the government should not have the right to tell me what I can and can't do in my own home, to my own body."
That'll do for a plus 2. Too busy to read the rest.
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That'll bring the -2 from me.
You want the government to allow you to molest small children, then chop them up and put them through a blender to make a baby shake, all because you are doing it in your own home?
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Believe what you will, but YOU smoking Marijuana in YOUR house has an adverse effect on other people as well.
Trust me.
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2005-09-15 06:34:38 EDT (#)
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"I truly believe that the government should not have the right to tell me what I can and can't do in my own home, to my own body."
That'll do for a plus 2. Too busy to read the rest.
Submitted by English_Matt (user info) at 2005-09-15 06:26:33 EDT (#)
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I decided to create an account just to reply to this after years of laughing at all the posts.
There's positives and negatives to weed. I believe i know quite a lot about it as I have smoked it for 6 years quite a lot (i dont think ive managed longer than a week without any).
Im still not sure if weed should be legalised (in america or anywhere else). People who dont smoke it much get great feelings when they're high, and it doesnt seem to do much damage. But it is addictive. Not to the extend tabacco is, but there isnt a day that goes by when i dont think "I'd feel much better if i had a joint". I dont need it to get through the day, but i wouldnt say no if it was offered!
When you start smoking it regularly, the effects get less. Like alcohol, the more you drink, the higher your tolerence. Weed is the same, and the effects it have become different. I used to get pins and needles all over my body from it, and giggle fits. Not anymore. I just feel relaxed. Content to do nothing. Which is another downfall. I certainly dont spend all my money on it, but i spend enough to get concerned that its taking a significant chunk out of my bank balance.
You can do almost everything you can normally when high, you just realise it isnt worth the effort. Short term memory can be effected, although not greatly. I still got an engineering degree at university (decent one too) while smoking almost daily. But i spent a lot of time doing nothing, being stoned, when i could have been bettering myself. If kids got to smoke it regularly, many probably wouldnt be so successful, because they would all just stay at home, smoking joints and playing computer games or watching movies. At least when its illegal its harder to get at younger ages.
There has also been research recently regarding the mental health aspects of smoking weed. Like the X and Y chromozones that determine what sex you are, we have two that determine how susceptable we are to mental health problems. One from each parent. Lets call them A and B because I cant remember what they were called (damn memory!). Someone with A-A chromos (25% of population) has hardly any chance of developing mental illnesses from smoking weed. A-B chromos (50% population) have 2-3 times greater chance of developing mental illnesses from weed. B-B chromos are 10 times more likely to develop mental illnesses from smoking weed.
So, some people are more susceptable to getting mentally ill by weed, because of our genetics. This would make it more difficult to legalise. Especially when you consider alcohol is legal, and thats why so many people take it in excess. If weed was legalised, many would do the same and we probably would start seeing more deaths because of it.
They say it can lead to harder drugs. I have tried harder drugs but not because of weed. The only connection between them in my opinion is the dealer. Weed at street level doesnt give that much profit, so dealers usually sell other drugs too. So they are available to the weed smoker, but they're also available to anyone who puts the effort in to find them.
I had other comments too, but its getting rather long for rating.
Positives and negatives at the end of the day. If weed was legalised like alcohol, then many more people would do it to excess and get in trouble. I cant stand drunks telling me im a druggy, while i watch them take a drug thats legal to excess and cause trouble. Hypocrits.
Good post, but it didnt have everything needed for a valid arguement.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-06-13 15:12:59 EDT (#)
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Great logic, there. A 16 year old is no longer a kid. I mean, of course he's somebody's kid, but you know what I mean. I believe that at 16, you are no longer a child, and responsible enough to make certain decisions. You can get your license at 16, and driving a car is not only potentially harmful to yourself but to others too. It's not my place to tell a 16 year old what they can or can't do. I would tell them that it's probably not too smart to start that early, but I wouldn't stop them. It's their choice, not mine.
16 years old = adolescent, or TEENAGER
11 years old = kid, child
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-06-13 13:34:46 EDT (#)
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"I would not stop a 16 year old from using it, I would do all possible to keep drugs out of the hands of kids."
so...
...you wouldn't stop a kid from using it, but you would do everything to stop kids from using it.
interesting.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-06-13 13:04:57 EDT (#)
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Timms?
Submitted by Deidra (user info) at 2005-06-13 11:20:48 EDT (#)
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First of all, I have never met a pot user who is dependant on it that they would spend their life savings on purchasing the drug. That is ridiculous. The people who would do that are a minority who seriously abuse the drug, and need to seek help. But now to attack the logical integrity of the argument; when pot is illegal, it is expensive and it is possible, however improbable that somebody would spend their life savings on it. BUT if it is legalized the cost would drop significantly. Nobody would need to spend their life savings on pot. You could easily afford a life-time supply with about a week's salary at minimum wage.
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I have met such a person, and it's sad.. but no different then a alchoholic and alchohol is legal.
Submitted by NetProphet (user info) at 2005-06-13 10:53:51 EDT (#)
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Compelling, well written and well thought out.
Now run for President and fix this bullshit.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-06-06 22:21:26 EDT (#)
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This needs to be unearthed.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-24 21:46:35 EDT (#)
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*recently reviewed
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-24 21:46:12 EDT (#)
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Just thought I'd bring this back onto most reviewed...
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-13 08:42:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-03 23:58:13 (#)
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Don't agree with you. An entire population dependent on a dumbing drug would not be socially responsible for a government to do. And imagine the power and exploitation druglords and foreign drug export nations could have over the drugged up population.
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So how would legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana for personal usage mean making all of society dependent on it? How many people refrain from smoking marijuana ONLY because it is illegal, and if it were to become legal they would start smoking it? I don't know any, all though I'm sure they are out there.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2005-05-09 23:06:11 EDT (#)
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Um...Tool isn't pro-drugs?
Isn't there a whole essay about Ketamine in one of the liner notes?
Also, G-Prime (or whoever it was), if you haven't heard Tool I definitely suggest checking out some of their stuff, ESPECIALLY if you do drugs. Download Third Eye or the live version of Pushit (fucking amazing song, literally gave me chills and made me tear up the first time I heard it). These guys are some of the only true great musicians of this generation.
Submitted by MarkAlanWhittle (user info) at 2005-05-09 22:47:13 EDT (#)
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It's only a matter of time before the government is overun by it. Hydroponics has been honed to a fine art regarding this plant, therefore it grows like a 'weed', of which it may be a 'noxious' one to some, or the 'magic bullet' for a host of ailments, to others. To each his own, responsibly, just like cigarettes and booze. ~ MAW
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-07 20:23:38 EDT (#)
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Then why say this:
please dont use Tool as an example...not very pro-drug.
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-05-07 20:13:37 EDT (#)
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alcohol here is 21.
you can be drafted and kill people before you can take a swig of whisky.
yea, thats the intro into Third Eye.
Tool isnt really anti-drug. They have a lot of friends that have experimented a great deal since they run in the very liberal art/philosophy circles. The entire A Perfect Circle album The Thirteenth Step is about the various stages of drug addiction.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-07 20:00:44 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/60340
Submitted by Sideburns (user info) at 2005-05-07 18:30:20 EDT (#)
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Pure awesome.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-05-07 10:14:45 EDT (#)
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Yes.
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2005-05-07 09:45:18 EDT (#)
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I don't smoke, but I'm for legalization above a certain age limit.
Drug reforms I would impose:
- lower the drinking age to 18 (19 is completely arbitrary)
- legalize marijuana posession and use over the age of 18
- require a license (inexpensive and easy to obtain) for growing marijuana above the age of 18
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2005-05-07 06:14:23 EDT (#)
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cant believe i haven't rated this.
i used to have a good arguement for not legalising it, other than for medical reasons. but i have forgotten it, as i was quite young at the time. and am a stoner - so i forget everything.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-06 23:56:12 EDT (#)
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Really? I did not know that. I'm going to have to find that song. Is tool anti-drug?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-05-06 21:24:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-05 21:55:31 (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-05-05 21:34:50 (#)
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yea, yea, beginning of Third Eye.
please dont use Tool as an example...not very pro-drug.
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What are you talking about?
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That bill hicks standup is an intro to a Tool song.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2005-05-06 18:28:11 EDT (#)
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"Nobody, anywhere, EVER has died from direct effects of smoking marijuana."
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This made me chuckle.
Have you seen "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle?" (I'm pretty sure that's the title - if not, it's close.)
It's hysterical. They're stoned out their minds and an anti-marijuana commercial comes on the TV, where, after one hit of pot the first-time-smoking-kid sticks a shotgun in his mouth and blows off his head. Then the message "Marijuana Kills" is plastered across the screen.
It's funny as hell.
Anyway...
I agree with you. Good post.
Submitted by stevetherugbyman (user info) at 2005-05-06 18:12:02 EDT (#)
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Way too much below to read everything, but i'll leave my two cents.
I have to agree with the author of this article. The right to privacy should extend to marijuana. It is no more harmful than a few of the legalized drugs (i.e., booze and tobacco). What right does the government have to tell me what I can and cannot do in the privacy of my own home? There could/should be rules and regulations regarding use, however, such as banning it in public places and enforcing strict "no driving while high" laws. The point is that it should be allowed to be partaken of by the average person without fear of government intervention.
And that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Submitted by shark25 (user info) at 2005-05-06 18:09:12 EDT (#)
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While I agree with the feeling of the post I must disagree with you on one point. And if someone already brought up a instance like this then sorry.
I had a buddy of mine whose dad was a pot smoker and that was it. He did not smoke tobacco nor did he drink.
He died at the age of 50 from lung cancer. A cancer the doctors directly linked to his smoking of the green.
But hey more people die of alchohal and tobacco related stuff than pot so there you go.
I'd say it should be your own fucking choice just like the other two.
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2005-05-06 15:49:49 EDT (#)
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You believe what you believe about guns and they're effect and I'll believe what I believe. Don't blame me when America has a murder rate higher than the Iraqi death-count... oh wait!
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So you admit to not reading my response at all.
If you make guns illegal, you take them away from the law abiders, not the criminals. Think of where this leaves us: criminals are armed, we're not. This means that TAKING GUNS AWAY FROM LAW-ABIDERS DOES NOT HELP THE LAW ABIDERS, BUT, RATHER, HELPS THE CRIMINALS. If you were threatening my life, wouldn't you rethink your strategy if you're staring down a Colt?
Oh, and another thing I forgot to add last time: the biggest proponent of gun control before these ignorant pussies of today was Adolf Hitler. He made gun ownership illegal for law-abiders in Germany. Look where lack of protection landed them - a dictatorship they couldn't revolt against for lack of arms.
Submitted by Ferretnose (user info) at 2005-05-06 15:40:04 EDT (#)
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"...Henry J. Littlefinger's troubles began when he got the major role in a plan by Hippies, Incorporated, to take over the United States. His job: Tossing pot in postage stamp glue... And with that, Large Daddy Throckmorton infiltrated Henry J. into Sticky and Sons as an employee in the glue department, whacked him heartily on the back and said,"Upon your shoulders, Henry, rests the salvation of the United States- pot. If you succeed, we'll take over the country and make it what it ought to be- simple, lazy, happy, loveable and dirty!...
...and, in general, all citizens discovered slower relief, goodness that didn't crunch, and started bowling overhand."
-John Keefauver, "How Henry J. Littlefinger Licked the Hippies Scheme to Take Over the United States By Tossing Pot In the Postage Stamp Glue" (only an exerpt o' course)
heehee.
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-06 08:37:32 EDT (#)
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I am satisfied that this post has been well-received here.
I am glad that people were able to voice their opinions and discuss the topic like human beings.
NOW LET'S TOKE A BONGLOAD!!!!!
I have some pretty good hashish right now. Blonde, and it crumbles like pitcher's mound clay.
mmmmmm.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-05-06 02:07:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
My mom's addicted to diet coke, she has about 4 44 ounce cups a day (I still dont see how shes not fat).
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This may have somthing to do with the lack of sugar in diet soda, genius.
Submitted by ToxicNarcotic (user info) at 2005-05-06 01:47:04 EDT (#)
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True
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-05-06 00:06:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Hahah...Degreeless, someone recently asked me the easiest way to lose weight and I recommended that picking up a crystal meth habit was the easiest way to shed the lbs. off. Maybe that wasn't good advice, eh?
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2005-05-05 23:39:06 EDT (#)
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Just don't do meth. Or heroin. Or coke. Especially crystal meth.
Submitted by fieldsr (user info) at 2005-05-05 23:15:45 EDT (#)
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I agree that marijuana should be legal, but it should be used in good judgement, much like how alcohol should be. There would need to be an age limit, of course. The only problem I see is that so many people will rush to buy it once it first becomes legal and there will be this insane pot craze. You can get addicted to anything though. My mom's addicted to diet coke, she has about 4 44 ounce cups a day (I still dont see how shes not fat). It just needs to be used responsibly, thats all
Submitted by FreshPrince (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:42:34 EDT (#)
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Even Israel is using ganja for their SOLDIERS to help with PTSD.
Seriously, the whole Christian complaint goes down the tube, even God's chosen people use the herb.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:30:17 EDT (#)
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CHANNEL
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:30:05 EDT (#)
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ERY
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:29:42 EDT (#)
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COV
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:29:18 EDT (#)
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DIS
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:29:04 EDT (#)
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HEAT!
CANNED HEAT!
HEAT, HEAT, BABY AINT NOTHIN BUT MAMMALS SO LET'S DO IT LIKE THEY DO ON THE
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:28:14 EDT (#)
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What a silly word shan't is. Shall not? Shall! No, wait... What do I want again?
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:27:39 EDT (#)
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Shan't!
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:27:18 EDT (#)
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Won't!
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 22:27:03 EDT (#)
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We can't allow the France ubercon post to pass this on heated!
Won't let it happen!
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-05 21:55:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-05-05 21:34:50 (#)
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yea, yea, beginning of Third Eye.
please dont use Tool as an example...not very pro-drug.
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What are you talking about?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-05-05 21:34:50 EDT (#)
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yea, yea, beginning of Third Eye.
please dont use Tool as an example...not very pro-drug.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-05 20:53:26 EDT (#)
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See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs, man.
-Bill Hicks
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-05 20:52:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lucid (user info) at 2005-05-05 19:38:28 (#)
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People want Marijuana to be legalized so they can go to 7-11, buy some joints and get high. Just fucking state the obvious and skip over all the High Times bullshit. It will cure nothing in society, it is not good for you to smoke anything and the country is not going to change one way or the other if it's legal or not.
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True, but that is only one of the reasons. Other reasons are: not being treated like filth by the cops for something as trivial as setting fire to a plant and inhaling the smoke because you enjoy the feeling and the long term mind-opening. I think weed does great things. The positive effects greatly outweigh the negative effects. But that's jsut for me, it affects everybody differently.
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This is a lost cause and a pipe dream. There is no way pharmaceutical companies would allow this to happen without a huge fight. Since stoners lack the ability to organize their closet space, they're certainly not going to be able to raise enough funds to pay off lobbyists to make this a reality.
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It is absolutely not a lost cause, look at the progress being made in Europe and parts of Canada, and other places around the world. It IS, however, a pipe dream. But only in the literal sense. I don't know exactly what you would qualify as stoners, but if you mean anybody who smokes pot, then you're wrong with that stereotype. I keep my closet very tidy. And we don't need to raise money to pay off lobbyists. We just need to hand them a joint. Ok, so it's a little more complicated than that, but still, it isn't as difficult as you say.
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Meanwhile back in the real world we have issues like social security, affordable healthcare, poverty and education to think about while the armchair politicians load up their bongs and listen to that evil punk rock music.
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You know, when you get HIGH, you have to eventually come DOWN. People who use pot are not out of touch with reality, as you are implying. Believe it or not, I think the Emerald Princess brings you closer to reality. Even after the first few times you get high, before the so called "negative" effects start to affect your brain, you realize that society today is nothing but a big joke. It's all fake, man. And people who have never tried weed can't understand the way it allows you to reflect upon things you would never have thought about. "Pot doesn't make people lazy, it just makes them realize it isn't worth the effort." -Bill Hicks.
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You're all going to hell with stale bongwater. Cretins. Stoners. Evil doing degenerates.
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You sure do love to stereotype us, don't you? Don't you realize that there are many people who are fully functional to your society that smoke weed? Lawyers, doctors, judges, professors, cab drivers, and MUSICIANS. Oh god, the musicians are all stoners.
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BTW, if pot were legalized I couldn't buy it from my next door neighbor and sell it across the street to Old Fred for a 40% profit. That would suck.
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And the greedy capitalist emerges...
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-05-05 19:41:29 EDT (#)
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fat man, the police really do not do anything to curb pot except for where it is grown or a ton is being sold, it is not a hassle.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2005-05-05 19:40:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-05-05 19:35:58 (#)
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ALRIGHT
The reason why marijuana is not legalized is because if legalized the buds will have about 2-4% THC, which was how much used to be in buds around the 1970s. However, due to cross growing of different cannabis plants, the THC levels of marijuana can be up to 20% in illegal weed now.
The illegal dealers would NOT be wiped out due to the fact that people will crave for the marijuana with the higher THC.
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I just think it would be less of a hassle to get it from the "illegal dealers". Come on, have you seen anything the government runs as being efficient, convienent or low cost? You would end up paying twice as much for lower quality stuff.
I read through some other responses, and decriminalization sounds like the best idea.
Submitted by lucid (user info) at 2005-05-05 19:38:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
People want Marijuana to be legalized so they can go to 7-11, buy some joints and get high. Just fucking state the obvious and skip over all the High Times bullshit. It will cure nothing in society, it is not good for you to smoke anything and the country is not going to change one way or the other if it's legal or not.
This is a lost cause and a pipe dream. There is no way pharmaceutical companies would allow this to happen without a huge fight. Since stoners lack the ability to organize their closet space, they're certainly not going to be able to raise enough funds to pay off lobbyists to make this a reality.
Meanwhile back in the real world we have issues like social security, affordable healthcare, poverty and education to think about while the armchair politicians load up their bongs and listen to that evil punk rock music.
You're all going to hell with stale bongwater. Cretins. Stoners. Evil doing degenerates.
BTW, if pot were legalized I couldn't buy it from my next door neighbor and sell it across the street to Old Fred for a 40% profit. That would suck.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-05-05 19:35:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
ALRIGHT
The reason why marijuana is not legalized is because if legalized the buds will have about 2-4% THC, which was how much used to be in buds around the 1970s. However, due to cross growing of different cannabis plants, the THC levels of marijuana can be up to 20% in illegal weed now.
The illegal dealers would NOT be wiped out due to the fact that people will crave for the marijuana with the higher THC.
another problem is that marijuana is worse than cigarettes on you lungs, not the 16x that most health professionals give, but it is around 4-6x greater due to the higher tar. obviously if you are a grower yourself this does not apply. so if they sell cigarettes by the pack and people have multiple joints per day, it will be just as bad than cigarettes.
(this is just to play devil's advocate, i do support the legalization of pot, as well as ecstacy(for medicinal uses))
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-05 19:12:46 EDT (#)
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4. Do you really think any government would cut a program like the War On Drugs, and actually do something sensible with the money?
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No, but I'm not going to just give up and let them screw around. I will make my voice heard. I will get a bullhorn and a soapbox. Then they will attempt to arrest me for noise pollution to shut me up, but it will be too late. I will have already reached enough ears to have a crowd gathered. They will be high simply off the fumes emanating from me, as I will have been doused in weedsmoke earlier in the day. Their minds will be open. They will not like the cops. But they will not fight, because violence achieves nothing but more suffering. There will be a revolution. An unarmed revolution; a revolution of THE MIND.
What the hell was that all about...
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2005-05-05 19:03:01 EDT (#)
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Didn't read all the reviews, so if I repeat someone else's remarks, forgive me
1. Pot would NOT be cheaper if it was legal. The government would find a way to make it more inconvienent.
2. The government would see minimal tax from pot. After the possesion of marijuana is legal, who is to say that the sack you carry is taxed or not? You could always get your stash from the local dealer, and put it in a government tax-stamped container,and all is well.
3. There would not be many jobs created. If there was an abundance of jobs created, they would be cut. See point 2 above
4. Do you really think any government would cut a program like the War On Drugs, and actually do something sensible with the money?
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-05 18:54:31 EDT (#)
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Her woom ees so foacking poh-looted, ay cahnt even 'ave uh foacking baby witcher.
Submitted by TonyMontana (user info) at 2005-05-05 15:16:35 EDT (#)
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I agree that marijuana should be legalized. From a medical standpoint, the deleterious effects are much less than either cigarettes or alcohol.
and here's an interesting fact...marijuana has NO TERATOGENIC EFFECTS whatsoever. That means that there is no documented evidence of marijuana causing fetal abnormalities when smoked by pregnant women.
if weed is safe for babies, then it's safe for tony fucking montana.
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 13:59:26 EDT (#)
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No problem, sir.
And, once decriminalization has been realized here in the states, I expect you to send me some good seeds for my New Jersey soil...
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-05 13:39:24 EDT (#)
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Currently I call Prince Edward Island home. Alas, I have no plans to go to the USA. There's no reason for me to go, and the frustration at the border isn't worth gonig to somewhere just like your home country, but with more guns.
But that's the mentality I love to see. Ignoring the concept of material posessions... Spread the peace, my brother.
thanks for the heat...
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 13:22:08 EDT (#)
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Someone needs to turn up the HEAT.
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 13:21:48 EDT (#)
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It's a little cold on this post.
Submitted by absolutes (user info) at 2005-05-05 09:13:44 EDT (#)
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Decriminilization at least. No one needs a criminal record for something as minor as a joint.
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 08:17:52 EDT (#)
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Ole, o-le, ole, o-le
feelin' heat heat heat...
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 08:06:19 EDT (#)
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If you're ever planning on being in NJ, let me know. My weed is your weed.
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 08:05:32 EDT (#)
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G-Prime, what area of this world do you call home?
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 08:04:41 EDT (#)
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This is a topic that needs Uber's UTMOST attention.
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 08:04:17 EDT (#)
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MORE HEAT.
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-05 08:04:02 EDT (#)
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This post really needs...
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-05-05 05:11:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by UNconfused (user info) at 2005-05-04 21:03:37 (#)
Ranking: -2
Great plan...If I wanna cut my throat and poor the blood all over manhattan...so be it. It's my body. the government can't tell me what to do with it. Suicide's illegal, but it shouldn't be. It's my body. Beat the shit out of a fetus in my stomach? Hell yeah...it's in my fucking BODY!
hahahhaahhahahha this fuckhead still lurks here?
go back to masturbating to your elaborate false analogies that relate abortion to the holocaust or whatever
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-05-05 04:54:47 EDT (#)
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Well guess what. sorry about that right ,write flap my bad.
i just as many of you post elsewhere's I do also.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-05-05 01:27:21 EDT (#)
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Great plan...If I wanna cut my throat and poor the blood all over manhattan...so be it. It's my body. the government can't tell me what to do with it. Suicide's illegal, but it shouldn't be. It's my body. Beat the shit out of a fetus in my stomach? Hell yeah...it's in my fucking BODY!
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-05 01:16:06 EDT (#)
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Yeah, I needed some help dealing with this:
Submitted by UNconfused (user info) at 2005-05-04 21:03:37 (#)
Ranking: -2
Great plan...If I wanna cut my throat and poor the blood all over manhattan...so be it. It's my body. the government can't tell me what to do with it. Suicide's illegal, but it shouldn't be. It's my body. Beat the shit out of a fetus in my stomach? Hell yeah...it's in my fucking BODY!
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-05-05 00:47:49 EDT (#)
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In South Australia it is legal to grow pot in your backyard, and South Australians are the scummiest people on earth. When you go to Adelaide the mayor of Adelaide meets you at the airport and shits in your pocket.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-05-04 23:50:08 EDT (#)
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Didn't read through all the sources, but I agree for the most part.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-05-04 23:41:51 EDT (#)
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You called?
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 23:22:26 EDT (#)
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Seriously, though, everybody needs to share a big spliff and listen to some Bob Dylan. Mellow out...
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 22:44:12 EDT (#)
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I'm sorry, I may have been harsh. I didn't mean to offend anybody (except for UNconfused), I don't really hate all Texans or Christians. I do however hate racists and Christian Supremists.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 22:42:14 EDT (#)
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Schizophrenia? What schizophrenia?
Yeah, what schizophrenia?
Shut up, you.
What are you guys talking about?
What did I just tell you?
No, not me, the other guy, I just got here!
Fuck off.
No, you fuck off, you goof!
All three of you, SHUT UP!!!
Who are you?
I'm the owner of this damn place!
Yeah, well we're the tenants! And this is a revolution! Get the fuck out!
You can't kick me out of my own mind!
We're making the rules around here, biatch. VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!
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what?
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 22:34:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I'll back you up, buddy!
*clears throat*
Dear UNconfused,
You are an idiot. Were you dropped on your head as a child? You must have been. Either that or you were raised in a word-for-word-interpretation-of-the-Bible-Christian, pro-life, conservative, aryan, all-American nigger hatin', spic shootin', fag beatin' family in Texas. Or you could be inbred. Kindly grow some intelligence, smoke some herb, listen to some Bob Dylan and chill the fuck out, man.
Blood for weed? Nigga please...
Submitted by peckerhead (user info) at 2005-05-04 22:32:20 EDT (#)
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G-Prime: This was a great post with many great reviews. I suggest you re-read some of the previous well thought out reviews. Well done and thanks!
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2005-05-04 22:31:14 EDT (#)
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Hey, it's you (and your family) that has to live with the schizophrenia, not mine, hippy.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 22:22:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by UNconfused (user info) at 2005-05-04 21:03:37 (#)
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Great plan...If I wanna cut my throat and poor the blood all over manhattan...so be it. It's my body. the government can't tell me what to do with it. Suicide's illegal, but it shouldn't be. It's my body. Beat the shit out of a fetus in my stomach? Hell yeah...it's in my fucking BODY!
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You, sir, I say sir, are an ass. You are comparing smoking marijuana to dousing people in blood, and beating the shit out of a fetus(sic) in your stomach?
First of all, it's spelled foetus. And the foetus wouldn't be in your stomach, it would be in your womb.
If I smoke pot, the only person I'm harming (and even then the harm is negligible) is myself. So long as I don't endanger the lives of others by driving or anything like that, I see no problem with me smoking weed. What exactly is the problem if I'm the only person who gets hurt?
If you honestly think that pouring blood all over Manhattan is the moral equivalent to smoking marijuana, you're an idiot. If you pour blood all over a city, you are no longer the only person to be involved. You are traumatising millions of people. You are potentially infecting them with god knows what is in your blood. You are not the only person affected. If I smoke weed, I am the only person affected. Look at the ratio here:
Smoking marijuana
Persons affected:
Only those who willingly choose to smoke it.
Pouring blood all over Manhattan
Persons affected:
1,537,195 (according to US Census Bureau, 2000)
If you still think that this is the same thing as smoking pot, you're stupid.
The government shouldn't tell you what to do with your body. Only when it begins affecting other people should they step in. I do believe that suicide should be legal. Can you give me three reasons why it shouldn't be (Other than your own personal morals and values. Give me concrete, logical, arguments.)? You'll probably say because it says in the Bible that suicide is a murder, and therefore a sin, because the human body is sacred. Your religious beliefs should not be forced unto others.
I would never stand by and let someone beat the shit out of a foetus. But not because "The strong have a duty to protect the weak." but because you are no longer only harming yourself, you are harming another living entity. I would let somebody beat the shit out of themselves, but not a foetus.
Please, use your common sense.
Somebody back me up on this!!!
Submitted by UNconfused (user info) at 2005-05-04 21:03:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Great plan...If I wanna cut my throat and poor the blood all over manhattan...so be it. It's my body. the government can't tell me what to do with it. Suicide's illegal, but it shouldn't be. It's my body. Beat the shit out of a fetus in my stomach? Hell yeah...it's in my fucking BODY!
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 18:18:59 EDT (#)
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W00T 100 REVIEWS!!!
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 17:18:12 EDT (#)
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I'm very honored that you would use your very first review on my post, Spanish Class you finnicky alter, you. But you insult me by linkwhoring without paying the proper respects!
Submitted by Spanish_Class (user info) at 2005-05-04 17:14:01 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/65663
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 17:08:29 EDT (#)
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Well thank you sid.
Submitted by negativesid (user info) at 2005-05-04 17:05:55 EDT (#)
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I agree with all your points, Guillaume. You write a damn good article.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 17:02:22 EDT (#)
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What is the sativa clan? Some kind of activist group?
Submitted by Girlwithaclue (user info) at 2005-05-04 16:59:59 EDT (#)
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I second this motion as I am also a member of the sativa clan...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:14:12 (#)
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As a member of the Sativa Clan, I approve of this message and its contents.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-05-04 16:53:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:04:09 (#)
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The way I see it, the goal of legalization isn't to increase the amount of users, but simply to stop treating people who smoke pot as petty thieves, as the scum of the earth. Attitudes towards weed need to change.
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there is it all summed up
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 16:33:06 EDT (#)
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Alright, that's enough from me for now. I think this is a subject that should be brought to everyone's attention. It's way more important than those damn dying kids over in Africa.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 16:32:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
HEAT... heat... heat... warmth? no, heat!
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 16:31:29 EDT (#)
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I'm losing interest...
hEAT...
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 16:31:03 EDT (#)
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heat...
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 16:30:52 EDT (#)
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HEAT!
HEAT, HEAT! HEAT!
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 16:30:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 14:41:35 (#)
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There's no way this is going any higher than #3 Most Heated though...
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Unless we do something about it...
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-05-04 15:19:36 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 15:09:12 EDT (#)
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"Soient l'herbe ma musique et la pipe mon instrument. Et je suis doué."
-Me when I was baked a while ago.
Loosely translated in English: The herb is my music and the pipe is my instrument. And I am talented.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 14:41:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
There's no way this is going any higher than #3 Most Heated though...
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 14:40:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
mmm heat...
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2005-05-04 13:58:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
(intro.)Its like i dont care about nothing man...
Roll another blunt...
ooohh
la da da da la da da la la da da
I was gonna clean my room until I got high
I was gonna get up and find the broom but then I got high
My room is still messed up and I know why(why man)
Chorus:
cause I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high
I was gonna go to class before I got high
I could'a cheated and I could'a passed but I got high(uh uh la la da da)
I'm takin it next semester and I know why(why man) (hey hey)
chorus
(go to the next one, go to the next one, go to the next one)
I was gonna go to work but then I got high(ohh,ohh)
I just got a new promotion but I got high(la da da da da)
Now I'm selling dope and I know why(why man)
chorus
I was gonna go to court before I got high
I was gonna pay my child support but then I got high(no you wasn't)
They took my whole paycheck and I know why(why man)(yeah eh eh)
chorus
I wasn't gonna run from the cops but I was high(uh, i'm serious man)
I was gonna pull right over and stop but I was high(uh)
Now I'm a paraplegic( ha ha ha) and I know why(why man)
chorus
I was gonna pay my car and note until I got high (say what say what?)
I wasn't gonna gamble on the boat but then I got high (uh uh)
Now the tow truck is pullin away and I know why (why man)
chorus
I was gonna make love to you but then I got high (ooh) (im serious)
I was gonna eat your pussy too(ohhh) but then I got high
Now i'm jackin' off (ahh) and I know why(turn this shit off ha ha ha)
chorus
I messed up my entire life because I got high (go go go)
I lost my kids and wife because I got high (say what say what say what?)
Now I'm sleepin on the side walk and I know why (why man)
(yeah yeah)
chorus
Ima stop singing this song because I'm high(raise the ceiling... baby)
I'm singing this whole thing wrong because I'm high(bring it back)
And if I don't sell one copy, I'll know why(why man?) (yeah eh eh)
Cause I'm high
Cause I'm high
Cause I'm high
la la da da da da la da da da shoobe do be do wa skibitty do da da da la
get jiggy with it scubbydooby wa Cuz im high cuz im high cuz im high
Yo my name is Afroman and im from East Palmville(east palmville)
And all this jail weed i be smokin is bomb as hell(excellent delivery)
I dont believe in hitler thats wut I said(oh my goodness)
So all of you skins plz give me more head..muhwahahaha muh fuck
(backaaa) Afro- mutha fuckin- m-a-n(m-a-nnnnnn)
A E I O U(a e i o u) and sometimes W(hahahahaha)
We aint gonna sell none of these mutha fuckin albums cuz
Lets go back to Marshall Derby and hang some mo chickens cuz
Fuck IT
FUCK THE CORPORATE WORLD BIATCH!
Submitted by CanucksFan (user info) at 2005-05-04 13:05:02 EDT (#)
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Also, drug related crimes would drop
Submitted by peckerhead (user info) at 2005-05-04 13:02:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-05-04 12:42:49 (#)
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I think the chances in the US of pot becoming legal were dashed when everyone started suing tobacco companies.
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So why don't the tobacco companies clue in and re-tool to produce marijuana cigarettes?! Medical marijuana is being prescribed in Canada right now. Before someone chimes in with, "what about the cancer causing or lung hurting" argument -- Cannabis does not have to be smoked. It can be carefully prepared and used in many recipes. It can be eaten and not smoked. This is a very complex issue. Good to see it being discussed here on Uber.
Submitted by peckerhead (user info) at 2005-05-04 12:54:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:12:32 (#)
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No matter how much marijuana you smoke or even eat...you cannot possibly overdose on it. Alcohol? You bet. How many thousands of Americans die every year as they are poisoned by alcohol? Long term effects of alcohol are worse than smoking weed...just ask hidden101 who is in rehab right now and is looking at 6 months in jail for his last DUI.
The government has those ridiculous commercials that have people doing stupid/dangerous things because of marijuana. If you replace "marijuana" with alcohol in each one of those commercials it not only fits but makes more sense than marijuana in many instances.
The war on drugs is a proven failure...if anything when the government destroys a bunch of drugs it causes more to be made because prices go up.
It is going to take a long time to get other people to understand how this issue isn't a problem as much as they'd like to think it is...and you can point to statistics in Holland where the drug is legal and teen use is actually DOWN.
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Stabkill makes some great points. In reverse order...
1. Of course teen use would go down after legalization of cannabis. Why do teens mis-behave? To get attention, to rebel, acting on dares and generally be naughty -- because pissing off adults is fun! If cannabis were legalized, it would take all the fun out of it for teens. The novelty would quickly wear off and they would move on to other things. One last thought re teens and young adults... After legalization, someone inclined towards experimenting with marijuana at least has a chance of getting the pure, Government inspected and approved product - as opposed to street level drugs which could be contaminated or 'laced' with stronger or harder drugs.
2. The war on cannabis is indeed lost. I know police officers that are dying to have these silly laws changed. e.g. Legalize cannabis and implement appropriate government controls and FREE UP our overloaded police officers and other law officials so that they have more time to concentrate on fighting real crimes.
3. Comparing cannabis to alcohol is just a no-brainer. Statistically, alcohol (the legal drug) doesn't stand a chance. I find it insanely hypocritical to allow alcohol to remain legal while cannabis users are getting busted c/w criminal records, the social stigma, job loss etc. Someone else touched on the more probable reason that cannabis and hemp based products pose a threat to the petro-chemical industry. Hemp products are gradually surfacing at long last.
This was a good, well thought out post. Not bad for a pot-head eh?
Submitted by CanucksFan (user info) at 2005-05-04 12:49:10 EDT (#)
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STICK IT TO THE MAN
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-05-04 12:42:49 EDT (#)
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I think the chances in the US of pot becoming legal were dashed when everyone started suing tobacco companies.
Aside from any personal reasons for it, I think we should start out with a don't ask, don't tell policy. Leave it illegal, but only enforce it if someone is being a total idiot. I'd just rather the cops spend the time and money on real crime. The fact that every 60 seconds a woman is raped doesn't really make me give a shit if some college kid is firing up a blunt.
As for high school kids, we should start assigning bags of weed to them like gym clothes. It will mellow the little fuckers out and keep them from breaking shit and causing trouble.
Submitted by canadia (user info) at 2005-05-04 12:29:23 EDT (#)
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I've never smoked anything before, not because I think it's wrong, but just because I'd probably end up in a basement somewhere doing nothing for weeks on end eating lots of junk food.
That's just me. I know my personality.
I know for a fact that's not what everyone does. I know many people who smoke. They have good jobs and use once and a while. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm in for legalizing.
Unlike what some people said, legalizing doesn't mean everyone starts smoking weed and we become a bunch of losers. I wouldn't- just like not everyone drinks alcohol, or smokes cigarettes just because it's legal.
Pot smoking doesn't equal being a loser.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2005-05-04 12:05:36 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2005-05-04 11:43:01 EDT (#)
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Fuck weed...legalize blow and we're onto something.
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2005-05-04 11:33:04 EDT (#)
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i love that wacky weed
Submitted by etbeliever (user info) at 2005-05-04 11:10:54 EDT (#)
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Governments are sneaky though. Here in England....well London at least, Cannabis has been de-criminalised, BUT they are proposing to put mushrooms, which are technically legally sold at the moment, up a class and criminalise them - while everyone's backs are turned. How they actually propose to do this is a mystery since they grow wild...
I liked this, but not as persuasive as the man Howard Marks. He came to give a speech at my uni (Sussex - the 'hippy' uni) and converted everyone there. Also the 'wall of weed' photo in Mr.Nice made my draw drop...
Submitted by pantsarestupid (user info) at 2005-05-04 10:57:58 EDT (#)
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...I agree. Basically because i'm out...and the delivery guy won't come to Queens.
I'd like to be able to just go and get it..."coffee shop" or just going and getting
a pack of marijuana cigarettes at my local deli. I honestly don't see too much
of a downside to it. I was raised by parents who weren't against it...and still smoke it.
But i'm just a long haired hippie bum...what do I know?
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-04 10:48:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2005-05-04 10:14:51 (#)
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It should be decriminalized first. Baby steps. we should do what Canada is doing, it seems to be working out for them.
Making it legal would cause too many problems too quickly and then the lawmakers asses would pucker up and they would repeal it.
One example;
It is not a dangerous drug but think back to how silly you got when you fist got high- now imagine curious American middle management geeks opting for a joint at lunch instead of 3 martinis.
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Mick,
Good thought, bad example.
Don't you think they'd try it in the privacy of their own home before attempting to fit it in at lunch? Nevermind that I have become accustomed to smoking a joint on my (white-collar) lunchbreak; I have had plenty of time to learn how to 'harness' my high for the powers of good.
Now the Vicoden that my doctor just started giving me for the cyst in my back? WoW. That's something you don't want to try first at work...
BTW, this post is one of the best pot law related posts I've seen here in a year. Thanks for approaching the topic in a mature, intelligent, and responsible manner.
Submitted by wijormiclat (user info) at 2005-05-04 10:27:16 EDT (#)
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Good post but one thing here I didn't agree with.
"Nobody, anywhere, EVER has died from direct effects of smoking marijuana. Or at least there are no records citing such an incident. Alcohol, which is legal and might I add ENCOURAGED by the government, kills more than 16,000 people each year in automobile accidents. * (See sources at bottom)"
People dying in automobile accidents while driving under the influence of alcohol is not a direct effect of alcohol either. People can die from driving while high just as easily as driving drunk.
Granted, it is possible to drink yourself to death, but you need pounds of herb to smoke yourself to death.
Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2005-05-04 10:14:51 EDT (#)
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It should be decriminalized first. Baby steps. we should do what Canada is doing, it seems to be working out for them.
Making it legal would cause too many problems too quickly and then the lawmakers asses would pucker up and they would repeal it.
One example;
It is not a dangerous drug but think back to how silly you got when you fist got high- now imagine curious American middle management geeks opting for a joint at lunch instead of 3 martinis.
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-04 10:01:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-05-04 09:09:04 (#)
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Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:56:06 (#)
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[snip]
The fact that the government agencies who receive money to fight the war on drugs would no longer be able to count on that money is daunting. The use of that money is VERY broad. Many smaller municipalities use their DARE budget to buy necessities such as Kevlar vests and new vehicles. They can write these expenses off under their DARE allowance. A sweetheart deal if you ask me. As of this reply, over USD$16.5B has been spent on the war on drugs THIS YEAR ALONE. this figure increases by an average of $600 per SECOND. [snip]
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So...you're opposed to police having cars and Kevlar vests?
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No, not at all. But the fact is that the budgets these departments are given are too small to afford what they need. The DARE budget allows them to purchase such things. If there was no DARE budget, government officials would be forced to review how much money they give these municipalities. Right now everything is 'running smoothly' because of that DARE money. What happens when you take that away?
The DARE budget being an integral part of the municipal budget is only a way for government to sustantiate the need for the DARE program.
For the record, I have nothing against the police. They are the brave who protect and serve. It's the lawmakers who have the leverage here, and use it to manipulate the system.
I hope that's clear. If anyone else wants to talk about any points regarding decrim, AIM me at 'yewslus'. I am an active participating member of NORML NJ.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2005-05-04 09:48:18 EDT (#)
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PLUS 2 based one the fact that you backed up all of your arguments, you have clearly researched this and I appreciate that.
Good post too
Submitted by jojojojoan (user info) at 2005-05-04 09:45:40 EDT (#)
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Legalize It. I'm tired of being paranoid all the time. If it were legal I wouldn't have to worry.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-05-04 09:09:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:56:06 (#)
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[snip]
The fact that the government agencies who receive money to fight the war on drugs would no longer be able to count on that money is daunting. The use of that money is VERY broad. Many smaller municipalities use their DARE budget to buy necessities such as Kevlar vests and new vehicles. They can write these expenses off under their DARE allowance. A sweetheart deal if you ask me. As of this reply, over USD$16.5B has been spent on the war on drugs THIS YEAR ALONE. this figure increases by an average of $600 per SECOND. [snip]
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So...you're opposed to police having cars and Kevlar vests?
Submitted by Skippy (user info) at 2005-05-04 09:00:26 EDT (#)
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Im to stoned to think of a witty comment! :P
Submitted by Totally_useless (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:56:06 EDT (#)
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Very good post.
You made some very good points. The legalization of marijuana would bring more revenue into the country that decided to go that route. Essentially, they would become the druglord, skipping the middleman. There are downfalls to outright legalization as it pertains to government regulation, though:
-THC content. The FDA or other US governing body would need to agree upon a standardized THC content that would be allowed in commercial product. More than likely we would end up with very low-grade reefer.
-Taxes. As it stands now, whenever the government looks for additional revenue, the first things they go after are our luxuries; cigarettes and alcohol. I fear that marijuana would be another tax scapegoat, reversing the thought that prices would drop. I believe that it would be the most-taxed product in the country.
The fact that the government agencies who receive money to fight the war on drugs would no longer be able to count on that money is daunting. The use of that money is VERY broad. Many smaller municipalities use their DARE budget to buy necessities such as Kevlar vests and new vehicles. They can write these expenses off under their DARE allowance. A sweetheart deal if you ask me. As of this reply, over USD$16.5B has been spent on the war on drugs THIS YEAR ALONE. this figure increases by an average of $600 per SECOND. Don't believe it? See here:
http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm
I implore any marijuana users, or those who support the free use of marijuana, to push not for legalization per se, rather for decriminalization. It makes all the sense in the world. Our prisons are already packed full of nonviolent drug offenders; many of those are pot dealers or habitual possessors. The burden that the Reagan Administration placed on the American taxpayers needs to be lifted from our shoulders. It is time for the federal government to admit to their previous mistakes in having marijuana classified as a Schedule IV drug.
(The preceding statement was written by myself, a 29 year-old American male who has smoked for the past 15 years. If it makes no sense, I apologize. I guess the dopey pot has done made me dumberer over the yeerz...)
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:53:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ATILLAtheGREAT (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:26:24 (#)
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They should legalize it.Government officials are fuckin crack babys that need a life and swear they know whats best for us.
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Well, this asshole is an argument AGAINST legalization....
But ya did some homework and wrote coherently and shit, so ya get something.
Submitted by ATILLAtheGREAT (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:26:24 EDT (#)
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They should legalize it.Government officials are fuckin crack babys that need a life and swear they know whats best for us.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:25:45 EDT (#)
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For those of you saying i know shit all about MJ, you're right. I've never touched the stuff nor will I ever touch it, nor cocaine nor heroin nor LSD.
I've seen people who use MJ though. They amount to nothing. I'm not saying it's all of them, but it's a trend, a strong trend. This doesn't appear with the users of alcohol as much. I just don't want my kid on pot is all. For fuck sakes, drugs fuck you up. Marijuana may not be the biggest fucker-upper in the world but it's bad enough to be in my bad-books.
Also, for those here who are arguing with me about gun-control, fine. Whatever. You believe what you believe about guns and they're effect and I'll believe what I believe. Don't blame me when America has a murder rate higher than the Iraqi death-count... oh wait!
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:25:08 EDT (#)
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We need a basic IQ test to decide if your mind can handle the awesomeness of the weed. Everytime I see a bunch of dumb stoners out and about, I want to punch them in the face for ruining it for all of us.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:14:12 EDT (#)
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As a member of the Sativa Clan, I approve of this message and its contents.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:06:24 EDT (#)
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I'm in favor of guns and drugs.
What do you think about that?
Submitted by PasterOfMuppets (user info) at 2005-05-04 08:00:16 EDT (#)
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all those in favour say "ay"....
ay
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 07:23:43 EDT (#)
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there's a zillion locks, with different keys in different hiding places, and I still wouldn't be sure of where the guns are kept in the first place.
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Wouldn't that defeat the point of having a gun for safety? If you had to run around finding keys in different hiding places for a zillion locks, your robber would be long gone with your vcr by the time you got the gun out. Either that or he would have shot you...
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-05-04 05:32:24 EDT (#)
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williamson is like 12 I don't see how he is qualified to be on the internet, much less argue ridiculous points with no support beyond superficial opinion
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-05-04 05:20:48 EDT (#)
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Stabkill is actually making some sense on this post.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-05-04 05:18:49 EDT (#)
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Williamson knows nothing about marijuana.
I don't use it, but I'm in full support of legalization, so long as it is taxed as much as cigarettes, alcohol, etc.
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2005-05-04 04:16:13 EDT (#)
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Sorry, I completely forgot about the essay protecting my constitutional rights.
Your argument is very good. I'm not interested in pot and have never tried it, but I have a friend or two who smokes the reefer once in a while. Pot is waaaaaaay too hyped, and isn't as dangerous as alcohol. If you drink, you'll get dizzy and it will be sort of like getting high, but you can stagger to your car, try to drive, and cause an accident. Listening to my friends' tales and observing him, I found out that when you're blazed on pot, you're too tired to even get up.
Why isn't alcohol illegal? It seems to cause more fatalities a year than Mary Jane. The reason is that any substance can be used responsibly, and no matter what's legal, you will have some dumbfuck using it irresponsibly to fuck things up for everyone else.
Let's try a few parallels here. When you use antifreeze properly, it keeps your car's engine from seizing and ruining it's shit. But antifreeze can certainly be used improperly - for example, one can drink it and die. Should antifreeze be illegal? Water can be ingested or used to wash things (i.e., yourself) and is very good when used properly. But water can also be used improperly: one could inhale it and die. Should water be illegal?
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2005-05-04 04:02:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-03 23:58:13 (#)
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This is the same kind of "It's my personal right" mentality that American gun-nuts use to promote the right to gun ownership without realising the indirect consequenses (read: 10 thousand murders anually).
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It IS my personal right to have a gun. Let's think (perish the thought) of your suggested gun prohibition:
Law abiding citizens obey the law.
Criminals do not obey the law.
Now, what can we infer?
Law abiding citizens, following your law, will not own a gun.
Criminals, who break the law, will not give a shit about your law, and will get a gun anyway.
So let's summarize this:
Law abiding citizens, who obey the law, will not murder, because that is illegal.
Criminals, who break the law, will murder, because they don't give a flying fuck.
What you pacifists want to do is leave the public unprepared in case of a problem. I don't care if the chances of being held up on the street is low; there is still a chance, and I would like a gun for my security. If an intruder enters my house, a security system won't do anything except scare the shit out of my family, maybe call the police, and cost a fortune. If the intruder is gung ho about whatever he's stealing, he will be armed and will not give a shit if some bell is ringing. If he points a gun at my family and suddenly finds himself staring down the barrel of a Sig Sauer, however, he will probably rethink his strategy and run like hell.
I was raised in a home where I was exposed to guns at a young age. Do you really think my father would leave ammunition and guns unlocked in the presence of a kid? If I wanted to shoot up my school, tough shit; there's a zillion locks, with different keys in different hiding places, and I still wouldn't be sure of where the guns are kept in the first place.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-05-04 03:29:05 EDT (#)
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I DID TOO!!
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-05-04 03:19:54 EDT (#)
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I agree, but I'm pretty sure every 15 year old has written this exact same 'essay' before
I know I did
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-05-04 03:15:29 EDT (#)
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I'M OUTRAGED!!
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-05-04 03:13:08 EDT (#)
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If Americans knew the bullshit tax dollars are spend on to fund this "war on drugs" they would be outraged.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-05-04 03:08:23 EDT (#)
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DECRIMINALIZE ALL DRUGS!!!!
Submitted by Rasta (user info) at 2005-05-04 03:00:04 EDT (#)
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Go NORML. National organization for the reformation of Marijuana laws.
Cigarettes and alcohol are much more egregious drugs.
Don't get me started on the prescription drugs running rampant.
But all these are socially acceptable. They didnt used to be.
So maybe there is hope.
Forget about the smoking aspects. Lets make oil, clothing, rope, and the other tons of items that can be made. Hemp seed is more productive than any current crop on the market. Ask our founding fathers.
Submitted by Ivy (user info) at 2005-05-04 02:53:40 EDT (#)
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Ah, living in Dubai I really miss my Ganj. Nicely done piece, it was well researched and informative, though I already know and agree with most of the points you made. I agree, pot should be legalized, but being from Ottawa I never really felt like I had to hide it anyway. One of my favourite memories is sitting in Major's Hill Park (across from Parliament Hill) one spring day with a few friends, and thanking our lucky stars that we lived in a country where we could do such a thing without stressing about it.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-05-04 02:52:53 EDT (#)
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The main problem I see with your argument williamson is that marijuana isn't very addictive at all. I see people smoke daily for two years then just up and quit, even the side effects seem to fade away after a while of non smoking.
I personally smoke maybe once every few months, I know some people that smoke a hell of a lot, but they'd smoke that much whether it's illegal or not. People can get access to weed when it's illegal, it's not hard at all. The amount of people smoking it wouldn't raise that much because if you want to smoke it now you can, the only difference is the price.
Drug lords wouldn't have shit since you can grow the plant yourself and all you have to do is dry it. This isn't coke, there's no complicated processing.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-05-04 02:52:48 EDT (#)
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Likewise, the individual pot-smoker can be trusted to just peacefully do his thing. Looking at society as a whole though, you'll see children on MJ and a marijuana industry exploit the addiction of society.
Williamson, we have children on alcohol which is much worse than pot...well, probably not for children (pot blocks the part of the brain that allows long-term memory to store so taking pot while you go to school is, well, ...stupid!)
Legalizing pot will obviously not be extended to minors.
Also, think of it this way...marijuana actually leads to pacificism. Is that good? I think so.
Alcholics are drunken, depressed assholes and many get violent. People high on weed tend to not be violent at all, it has the opposite effect on em'.
I don't understand why the government wouldn't WANT everyone to be addicted to pot! Then we wouldn't care what the gov't was doing as long as we got our weed, right?
Heh...I really don't know about the whole issue other than the war on drugs is a complete waste of money and has served very little purpose other than to waste said monies.
Complete decriminization I wouldn't mind, or simply a slap on the wrist fine for actually being caught in public with the stuff.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-05-04 02:32:03 EDT (#)
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Williams' logic is horrible, he supports a Huxleyan dystopia of complete governmental control, where everything is illegal that can possibly damage anyone. It seems he thinks art, creativity, spirituality, free will, and FUN are all detractors from security and that, as security is the ONLY goal, they should be banned.
It's called "Brave New World". It's not a barrel of laughs.
Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2005-05-04 02:21:20 EDT (#)
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You missed my point. I was not comparing weed and food, rather pointing out that people can get addicted to pretty much anything, even something so basic as 'food'. What I meant by that point as a whole is that while some people can get 'addicted' to reefer, most don't.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-04 02:06:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:41:31 (#)
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Stabkill- So you are more for decriminalization? I think that would be ok too, although I would prefer complete legalization. It's a plant. That grows in the ground. And if I want to set fire to it and put the smoke in my lungs, it's nobody's business but my own. I still don't understand williamson's comparison between pot-heads and gun-nuts.
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What I meant by it is this:
Pothead: "It's my right to smoke marijuana because It's nobody else's business but my own."
Gun-nut: "It's my right to have a gun because It's nobody else's business but my own."
I believe both arguments are flawed because they don't take into account the indirect effects upon society. The individual gun-owner can be trusted not to kill others but if you look at society as a whole and you'll have lot more murders.
Likewise, the individual pot-smoker can be trusted to just peacefully do his thing. Looking at society as a whole though, you'll see children on MJ and a marijuana industry exploit the addiction of society.
I believe that anything done by adults behind closed doors should be legal. I'm just afraid there might be an open window. You know what i mean?
+2 for good ol' fashion debating.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:41:31 EDT (#)
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Stabkill- So you are more for decriminalization? I think that would be ok too, although I would prefer complete legalization. It's a plant. That grows in the ground. And if I want to set fire to it and put the smoke in my lungs, it's nobody's business but my own. I still don't understand williamson's comparison between pot-heads and gun-nuts.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:23:09 EDT (#)
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pope_ridiculous,
I'd rather have someone driving high on marijuana than drunk off their ass on the same road as myself...Of course, I'd prefer neither.
My arguement that there are more substances that are definitely more dangerous/hazardous to you than marijuana that are legal are legitimate...unless you want to go ahead and argue alcohol should be banned and then you can use my arguement as well and it is legitimate as well.
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Anyway...
Physically addictive = your body has chemical reactions based on your dependency to a substance upon withdrawing from it (alcohol, caffine, nicotine, crystal meth)
Psychologically addictive = no chemical reactions to withdrawl of said substance. (marijuana)
That being said, we don't simply make things that are addictive illegal because this website would be illegal for one, as many people say it is addictive as well as video games and such.
The "gateway drug" is a horrible excuse as cigarettes can also be called a "gateway drug" to marijuana and then you could say "being around smokers" is a gateway to cigarettes and "being around people" is a gateway to being around smokers. One can link almost anything to everything.
I do not think marijuana will ever be legalized in America, and that's fine as long as you remove the stiff penalties that go along with it. I'd rather have rapists, murderers, and theives in jail longer than people who got caught selling/smoking/growing weed.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:12:19 EDT (#)
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One more quote then I'm off to bed. Need my beauty sleep, ya understand?
"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 5th Amendment, I was quiet because I wasn't a criminal.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun.
Now they've taken the 1st Amendment, and I can say nothing about it."
-Anonymous
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:06:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:33:38 (#)
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin
Benny boy was referring to things like the PATRIOT act. Weed is not an "essential" liberty and the benefits of not having a drugged population is not "temporary".
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I know what he was referring to. That quote wasn't so much for legaliztion of weed as it was to establish the fact that the way the USA are being run is not at all how the founding fathers would have wanted it. Thank god I'm no yank.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:04:09 EDT (#)
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The way I see it, the goal of legalization isn't to increase the amount of users, but simply to stop treating people who smoke pot as petty thieves, as the scum of the earth. Attitudes towards weed need to change.
"Don't criticize what you can't understand."
-Bob Dylan
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:01:42 EDT (#)
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I can't believe I +2ed myself.
Chipolatte- The distinction must be made between an addiction to food and an addiction to pot. Food is necessary for survival. Obesity is caused by overeating, oversurviving you could call it. Pot is not a need. It is a desire. Not for everybody, but for me, I love it. I smoke it and then I write music, or write just to write, or draw. I don't get high and sit on a couch listening to Black Sabbath until the high wears off.
Although the Sab does rock...
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-05-04 01:00:59 EDT (#)
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I agree with the legalization of most drugs, especially marijuana, but this has put forward a pretty weak case for it, no offense.
Under no circumstances should marijuana, or tobacco for that matter, be advertised. No matter what you think about the issue of choice, you can't argue that a long term goal would be to INCREASE the use of marijuana in society. I don't agree with punishing people who choose to use it, but it should not be promoted to people who wouldn't otherwise.
Arguing that employment would improve is just terrible - it would be better to pay people to do nothing than to produce marijuana, a harmful and addictive drug.
Submitted by Rawrg (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:57:30 EDT (#)
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Well written and a lot of effort put into this, however, I noticed that you noted that 16000 people have died from alcohol related driving deaths.
Now I agree that very few people have ever died from a THC overdose or from being intollerant to THC, but as far as driving drunk, driving while high is no better. I know that every pothead will make the argument "HEY! I drive great high. In fact, it's much easier than driving drunk."
Coming from someone who's driven both drunk and high, I can say "Bullshit." Any other reasonable person who's done both would tell you the same. (How many reasonable people have done both however?) I regret driving under the influence. Most of the time it was to avoid detection from police because I was underage.
However, I do agree that the war on drugs is unwinnable and pot should be legalized.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:56:40 EDT (#)
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I have my quotes too, herbman.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:56:05 EDT (#)
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"I think the 'Just say no' mentality is so crazed. I saw a thing in a women's magazine the other day. 'He smokes cannabis, what am I to do? He laughs it off when I try to tell him, he says it's not really harmful...' Of course you're half hoping the advice will be, 'Well, you know it's not that harmful; if you love him, if you talk to him about it, tell him maybe he should keep it in the garden shed or something,' you know, a reasonable point of view. But of course it was, 'No, no, all drugs are bad. Librium's good, Valium's good. But cannabis, ooooh!' I hate that unreasoned attitude."
Paul McCartney
'Many Years from Now', 1997
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:56:03 EDT (#)
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Kai- so you give a -2 because you disagree with the message? Or is the -2 because the post had no content, was not informative or interesting?
Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:54:43 EDT (#)
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I'm actually not a huge fan of pot. In my experience, it's an hour of fun and then seven shitty ones.
Marijuana is not addictive, at least not in the same way as cocaine or heroin or (legal) cigarettes.
Alcohol is a very addictive drug. Many close males from both sides of my family are alcoholics. Of course this doesn't imply a universal addiction, but from my own personal experience...
People can get addicted to anything. 75% of America is overeweight. 35% is obese. These are not exact, as I'm too lazy to go and look, but I know they are ballpark. These people are addicted to FOOD. Sure, there are people who are addicted to marijuana. Will they have physical withdrawel if the drug was taken away? Depending on the frequency of usage, minor withdrawel at best.
I say legalize all drugs, not because I feel like taking any, just because I think it'd be a good idea. But especially pot.
Lennon said "It's just for giggles". He's correct. He's dead, but correct.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:50:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:39:13 (#)
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"Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear to me than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use. . . . Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana."
President Jimmy Carter
Speech delivered to Congress
1977
Perhaps the penalty of drug posession is too high? I don't know; I don't smoke drugs so it doesn't matter much to me. This doesn't mean we legalise it. You yanks have a war on drugs hey? How's that going? How many more wars on nouns will America declare in the near future, by the way?
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:38:23 (#)
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"What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp."
George Washington
Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72
Ummm, ok.
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:33:38 (#)
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin
Benny boy was referring to things like the PATRIOT act. Weed is not an "essential" liberty and the benefits of not having a drugged population is not "temporary".
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:33:03 (#)
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"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
Abraham Lincoln,
December 1840
Good thing I'm not American. A law is a restriction of freedom. You want freedom but you don't want lawlessness. It's a paradox. You need to find a compromise, and this is where I've found mine.
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:22:32 (#)
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What happened to just say no? Curiosity happened, among other things...
Curiosity killed the cat
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:43:37 EDT (#)
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I suspect that after years of use, pot is aggrevating other mental health concerns I am experiencing. It's bad stuff.
Submitted by Nips_Mc_G (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:42:17 EDT (#)
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i completely agree.
williamson- marijuana's a "dangerous" drug? are you serious...? most potheads i know either get too lazy or numb to do anything of consequence. HOWEVER, many DRUNKS i know have either done something destructive or have been in physical altercations in a drunken rage. if alcohol is legal, marijuana should be as well. i've never heard of anyone dying from a marijuana overdose, yet people die every day of alcohol poisoning.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:41:07 EDT (#)
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"Permanent brain damage is one of the inevitable results of the use of marijuana."
Ronald Reagan, 1974
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:39:13 EDT (#)
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"Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear to me than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use. . . . Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana."
President Jimmy Carter
Speech delivered to Congress
1977
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:38:23 EDT (#)
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"What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp."
George Washington
Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:33:38 EDT (#)
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:33:03 EDT (#)
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"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
Abraham Lincoln,
December 1840
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:22:32 EDT (#)
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What happened to just say no? Curiosity happened, among other things...
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:18:23 EDT (#)
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There's no way I can -2 this...
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:17:21 EDT (#)
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Just a question...
What happened to "Just say no"?
Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:15:10 EDT (#)
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Williamson - put it this way....I believe that the effects of Marijuana use on society are a lot less harmful than the effects of alcohol use on society. Alcohol can be psychologically addictive in the same way that marijuana can be psychologically addictive except that alcohol has a greater tendency to make people act violently.
It is a common misconception that marijuana is physiologically addictive. It isn't. If you stop smoking it you won't suffer withdrawal symptoms etc etc.
If you've ever been to Holland I think you'll find that the lack of laws relating to marijuana use doesn't result in a stoned population. In fact, it reduces crime and damages the drug cartels you refer to because they no longer have a market i.e. you can buy it anywhere.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:15:01 EDT (#)
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i didn't read all the article, but i like your title
very nice use of the word 'horrible'
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:14:35 EDT (#)
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A gun owner can potentially kill another person with that gun. What is the worst thing I can do to other people by smoking marijuana?
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Get others hooked on it. Legalising a dangerous drug would cause a fucking explosion in the weed market. It would be mass produced and everyone would get hooked.
I'm not saying you have no points for marijuana otherwise I'd be handing out -2's. I just reckon that the negative social repercussions outweight the positive individual freedoms.
Also, in response to #6 on that link, i never raised the issue of driving because i am pro-alcohol and that would be hypocritical of me to bring up the weed-driving issues.
Where do we draw the line? Do we allow ALL drugs? Do we allow NONE? We all have to draw a line and I've drawn mine at marijuana.
*Disclaimer: Williamson may or may not be sick of writing "Disclaimer"*
Submitted by pope_ridiculous (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:13:40 EDT (#)
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It seems rather silly to support the legalization of marijuana by citing the "fact" that nobody has ever died from its direct effects, while many die from drunk driving. Driving under the influence of alcohol, and fucking up, is not one of alcohol's direct effects; plus, plenty of people (though far, far less) get into accidents driving high.
That being said, I do support making weed legal. I'm high right now.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:12:32 EDT (#)
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No matter how much marijuana you smoke or even eat...you cannot possibly overdose on it. Alcohol? You bet. How many thousands of Americans die every year as they are poisoned by alcohol? Long term effects of alcohol are worse than smoking weed...just ask hidden101 who is in rehab right now and is looking at 6 months in jail for his last DUI.
The government has those ridiculous commercials that have people doing stupid/dangerous things because of marijuana. If you replace "marijuana" with alcohol in each one of those commercials it not only fits but makes more sense than marijuana in many instances.
The war on drugs is a proven failure...if anything when the government destroys a bunch of drugs it causes more to be made because prices go up.
It is going to take a long time to get other people to understand how this issue isn't a problem as much as they'd like to think it is...and you can point to statistics in Holland where the drug is legal and teen use is actually DOWN.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:12:20 EDT (#)
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Ooh I can't wait for Saturday. I've got a nice big juicy doobie ready. Full gram in it. Can anybody say baked golf? I can hardly play, and I don't believe it's a sport, but damn it is fun when you're nice and high.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:09:29 EDT (#)
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williamson have you ever smoked marijuana? My old roommate used to be an alcoholic, serious problems, like spending all of his money on booze. ALL of it. Just about every dollar he earned went towards purchasing hooch. I've never witnessed anybody that addicted to pot. Pot is psychologically addictive, but not physically addictive, like alcohol. Alcohol is both psychologically addictive and physically addictive.
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:06:51 EDT (#)
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So are cigarettes. Unfortunately the oil companies would be fucked because you can make a more efficient and pollution-friendly source of fuel from the oil of hemp seeds, and that would kind of screw them over you know?
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:05:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-03 23:58:13 (#)
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Don't agree with you. An entire population dependent on a dumbing drug would not be socially responsible for a government to do. And imagine the power and exploitation druglords and foreign drug export nations could have over the drugged up population.
This is the same kind of "It's my personal right" mentality that American gun-nuts use to promote the right to gun ownership without realising the indirect consequenses (read: 10 thousand murders anually).
I seem to remember the last time addictive, mind-numbing drugs were allowed to run rampant in a society. It ended in a couple opium wars.
*Disclaimer: Williamson may or may not actually remember the opium wars of 1839-42 and 1856-60*
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You see, williamson, the thing is that the entire population wouldn't be dependant on the drug. There wouldn't be that many more people using it than there are now (Yes I know there would be many, many more people using it, but not enough to qualify the entire population as dependant).
Woah there, slow down with the comparison between weed and guns. Can't you see the difference between me smoking marijuana and me owning a gun? I believe it should be my personal right to smoke the herb, because the only person I am harming is myself, unless I drive while high (I've never done it, and I don't plan on doing it) or if I blow my smoke into someone's face. I know there are people out there who do drive while high, and that's actually a lot safer than driving while drunk. A gun owner can potentially kill another person with that gun. What is the worst thing I can do to other people by smoking marijuana?
http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html
Look at number 6
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:05:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:03:38 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-03 23:58:13 (#)
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Don't agree with you. An entire population dependent on a dumbing drug would not be socially responsible for a government to do. And imagine the power and exploitation druglords and foreign drug export nations could have over the drugged up population.
This is the same kind of "It's my personal right" mentality that American gun-nuts use to promote the right to gun ownership without realising the indirect consequenses (read: 10 thousand murders anually).
I seem to remember the last time addictive, mind-numbing drugs were allowed to run rampant in a society. It ended in a couple opium wars.
*Disclaimer: Williamson may or may not actually remember the opium wars of 1839-42 and 1856-60*
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Alcohol is a drug.
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An addictive drug?
*Disclaimer: Williamson does know that some people can become addicted to the bottle, but alcohol isn't near the same as marijuana.*
Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-05-04 00:03:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-03 23:58:13 (#)
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Don't agree with you. An entire population dependent on a dumbing drug would not be socially responsible for a government to do. And imagine the power and exploitation druglords and foreign drug export nations could have over the drugged up population.
This is the same kind of "It's my personal right" mentality that American gun-nuts use to promote the right to gun ownership without realising the indirect consequenses (read: 10 thousand murders anually).
I seem to remember the last time addictive, mind-numbing drugs were allowed to run rampant in a society. It ended in a couple opium wars.
*Disclaimer: Williamson may or may not actually remember the opium wars of 1839-42 and 1856-60*
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Alcohol is a drug.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-05-03 23:58:13 EDT (#)
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Don't agree with you. An entire population dependent on a dumbing drug would not be socially responsible for a government to do. And imagine the power and exploitation druglords and foreign drug export nations could have over the drugged up population.
This is the same kind of "It's my personal right" mentality that American gun-nuts use to promote the right to gun ownership without realising the indirect consequenses (read: 10 thousand murders anually).
I seem to remember the last time addictive, mind-numbing drugs were allowed to run rampant in a society. It ended in a couple opium wars.
*Disclaimer: Williamson may or may not actually remember the opium wars of 1839-42 and 1856-60*
Submitted by frap (user info) at 2005-05-03 23:51:25 EDT (#)
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I agree