Why everyone is wrong (678 hits)
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Submitted by Mentor <<I am the walrus, koo koo kachoo>> (View user info) at 2005-06-18 01:16:44 EDT
First of all, this is not only going to bash Bush, but also Kerry, Edwards, Dole, and anyone else who is a member of the Republican and Democratic parties. Hear me out. It's been done, I know. I just like to argue both sides in a feeble attempt to sound unbiased.
WAR IN IRAQ
This is why the Republicans are wrong:
There was no justification for the war in Iraq. The CIA and the FBI were working AGAINST each other to get extra funding from Bush. Information was passed around but not checked fully. Information was given to the president, Congress, and the Cabinet that may or may not have been true. Plus ten points for preventing a potential crisis, minus several million for fact checking.
This is why the Democrats are wrong:
There is no justification for pulling out in "six months." Once we invaded, we needed to stay. It was no longer a question of whether we should be there or not, but how long until we clean up the mess we made. Why? Because we made a big mess, that's why. You don't go into your neighbor's house, fuck things up, and then leave. Well, you do if you're an ass, but most people wouldn't do that. It's just not kosher.
SOCIAL SECURITY
This is why the Republicans are wrong:
There is no "immediate" crisis. It is a present crisis. Social Security was originally established as a retirement benefit, not a subsidy. It was intended to be used alongside an income, not replace it. The moment people were able to use it as a retirement plan, it was drained. The government started handing out checks right and left and decided to keep throwing IOU's into the box. There is no "impending" doom. We're thirty years behind on filling up the social security fund. The only reason it's so "impending" is because of media hype. You republicans want to make a difference? Go back to the social reforms that led to this and stop them. It's not too late for change, but you're acting awfully damn slow for such an "impending" crisis.
This is why the Democrats are wrong:
Social Security is bankrupt. People are benefiting from it who have never paid into it. This means that more people are supporting the unemployed and not just the retired. This puts an even larger strain on the working man who shouldn't have to pay so much into social security if he won't see any of it when he retires. There is a crisis, and simply by you saying it's not there doesn't mean it's going to go away. The unemployed don't deserve social security. It was meant to help the retired person as they grew older because they couldn't work as long. A nineteen year old with three kids and a heroine addiction does not fall under that category.
DEVALUATION, INFLATION, ETC.
I don't know much about this topic, but I will say why both parties are wrong:
The American dollar is backed ENTIRELY by faith. There is no standard to which we can attribute its value. The American dollar is only as strong as what it can buy. The moment one sector of the market crashes that effects other parts of the market, the dollar is toasted a nice golden brown reminiscient of McDonald's fries (which are sub-par, by the way). At any rate, I find it odd that we worry more about what's PRINTED on the dollar ("In God We Trust" debate, anyone?) than how much it's actually worth. Aren't there more important things in life than a trivial phrase that most people aren't even aware of?
EDUCATION REFORM:
Republicans:
The NO Child Left Behind Act was the biggest piece of shit ever. Not only are you preventing any students from being left behind, but you are preventing them from excelling. In this quagmire of equality you seek to create, you are so terrified of offending the "oppressed, undervalued, emaciatingly-poor" minorities, that you can't even see the raw potential of some students. You push the fucking stupid kids from grade to grade to get them to graduate just so you have the raw numbers while leaving the quality of education overall as something severely lacking. Some kids just should never be let out of first grade.
Democrats:
Throwing money at the school doesn't solve anything. If the Romans could teach mercantilism, foreign language, business, politics, poetry, history, theology, philosophy, and art without computers, so can the little shitty inner-city schools who would rather pay for more administrators than teachers. Money doesn't solve anything when you don't regulate how it's being spent. When the school system in my state's capital spends more on administrative overhead than anything else, and the state spends more on that school than any other in the state, and that school continues to slide downhill, I think the government is doing something wrong. But wait! They can't be doing anything wrong. They're acting in the name of the "oppressed." Grow up and lose the rhetoric.
POLITICS IN GENERAL
Republicans:
You are so hell-bent on keeping things "as they were" that you are too blind to what's going on around you. You keep saying "Nay to gay" and "I'd rather be dead than a red" that your pro-business, anti-reform politics get in the way of the larger picture. You preach equality while restricting it to only the best of the best. You build barriers in the business world to keep smaller businesses from making it to the top. You allow monopolistic buyouts when no one's looking, then break them up in a show of valor to save face during the next election. You might be able to buy the mob, but you end up selling your integrity.
Democrats:
You are so obsessed with pleasing the minorities that you fail to look at your own history. Your party is currently the favorite among African-Americans, yet you fail to tell them that it was your party that sought to keep slavery as an integral part of the American economy. You keep telling minorities that they are the "poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free," yet you keep them oppressed with subsidies and social policies so they are content for the next four years until you need to be elected again. Then you shovel more money at them, keeping them in their same state of being, then go into the political arena and try and make as much money off of oil as the Republicans. You do nothing for society with your social programs but prolong the cycle of poverty that you so desperately seek to destroy.
Both:
Both parties have gone from dynamic opposites to a homogenous mash of rhetoric and party partisans. Both preach opposite agendas, but work on the same level in office. The theory is lost in practice, as it is in so many systems. Both parties work so hard to buy the mob while at the same time selling out to their own capitalistic ventures. The Republicans and Democrats vie for public approval while acting the fool when their hypocricy is shown for what it is. The Republicrats work together to prevent minority parties from gaining office and attempt to keep what reforms they allow as bureaucratic as possible.
War for oil, war on drugs, war on terrorism, war on poverty? They are all the same war. It is the war of the elected dictators who love to eat cake.
(For those of you who don't know, that is an obscure Marie Antoinette reference. It is debated whether or not she actually said such a thing, but it works well in this particular analogy.)
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Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2005-06-21 01:34:23 EDT (#)
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Well written. And why can't we worry about taking care of our OWN tired, sick and hungry instead of playing big brother to every third world nation on the planet?
Submitted by Mentor (user info) at 2005-06-21 01:05:43 EDT (#)
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Cockrings? I'm all for 'em.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-06-20 16:58:37 EDT (#)
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I'd like to hear your position on cockrings.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-06-18 19:05:44 EDT (#)
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Wow rab, your replies to Williamson were pretty moronic.
The UN can pass a declaration to ask its member nations to do whatever, eg. the veitnam war, the korean war, the first gulf war. This war didn't have it, and it was declared illegal by the UN, I don't see how much more you need to see to know that it wasn't at all justified by anything to do with the UN.
Submitted by NetProphet (user info) at 2005-06-18 14:23:22 EDT (#)
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Blah buh blahdy blah, a big buttfucking boring.
You don't get a -2 because I am sure SOMEONE out there gives a shit about all this.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2005-06-18 13:49:48 EDT (#)
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Not bad.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-06-18 13:19:29 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Mentor (user info) at 2005-06-18 12:52:24 EDT (#)
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Awwwww...I love when people get into their own debates as a result of a rating on my own summation of things.
NAZIs-Yeah, they killed a bunch of people. But should one horrible act discredit their political and socio-economic system? Look at all the good they did:
1 They built the autobahn (sp?) which had a double-edged knife effect. The Allies followed it straight into Berlin.
2 They modernized Germany's economy and infrastructure.
3 They took Germany from a broken nation and in just a few years after Hitler gained power, turned it into an economic and military European superpower.
That's just a small look at what they did. Now, let us look at how Americans and everyone else in the world has benefitted from Nazism!
1. Volkswagon--designed by the Nazi's as a people's car--Volk's Wagon. How many people in the US drive the VW Beatle? The Jetta? I don't know how well VW's sell over-seas, but it looks like America, the great savior of Europe, is doing pretty well with driving Nazi cars.
2. General Electric, Black and Decker, and General Motors ALL put money into helping rebuild Germany after WWI. General Electric helped set up power plants to give the Nazis electricity, Black and Decker established plants in Germany giving German Nazis jobs so that they could sell their blenders in America for a cheaper price, and General Motors helped establish the VW company. These are all American companies, but the list of French, Spanish, and other nations' companies that helped build the Nazi state goes on.
3. Jews--Well, they've had it tough for a long time. But I'm just going to say this in their defence: The Israel/Palestine issue goes back to the Roman Empire. Shortly after the death of Christ, Jews, enraged by the Christians proclaiming the promised kingdom as existing in Israel (Judea under Roman rule) rose up in a mass revolution. They kicked the Christians out of Jerusalem, hunted down and killed many in an attempt to rid Judea of this anti-Jewish sect (the early Christians were very anti-Jew, feeling that all who resisted Christ's salvation were in league with Satan). However, they went further and attacked Roman garrisons, saying if the Romans wouldn't protect them against the Christians, they would do it themselves without the Romans. The Romans came into Judea, occupied most of the areas in rebellion, and attempted to hunt down the rebel leader. I can't remember his name, but he was basically the Osama Bin Laden of Judaism at the time. He led attacks on Roman camps before running away and hiding in the mountains. The Romans couldn't catch him, so they decided to bring him out in the open. They rounded up the Jews and expelled them from Judea. Specifically to modern-day Moldavia and the Crimea. When this guy finally showed himself, the final battle occurred and it was over. The Jews lost. The Romans, enraged by their audacity and finally fed up with the constant rebellions, expelled ALL the Jews into Moldavia, the Crimea, modern-day Poland, and GERMANIA--GERMANY. And what did they do with Judea? Flooded it with Romans and named it Palestine.
So history vindicates the right of the Jewish claim to ownership. The Palestinians can go fuck themselves.
This is a rant in and of itself. Thank you for those who said fuck the two-party system (We don't need to fuck it, just pour gasoline on it and light a match), thank you for those who said this is over-simplified and flat out wrong. I'm sure if you enjoy reading about reform, I could write a very detailed book on the first subject alone, and then follow up in a series on most every subject I could think about.
However, look at the title. Those who disagree are most likely Republicans or Democrats, so if you don't give me a +2, you're wrong! :) j/k
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-06-18 11:23:27 EDT (#)
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Without getting into the nitty gritty Rad, I wasn't talking about the bombers... but the Arabic, non-jews who peacefully live in Israel. They too experience Kristallnacht.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-06-18 10:32:31 EDT (#)
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Jews in Germany = Arabs in Israel.
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fuck you. How many German Jews blew themselves up trying to kill innocent citizens.
Jews in Germany = Jews in Israel
Arabs in Isreal = backwards wackjobs
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-06-18 08:55:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-06-18 07:57:58 (#)
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national socialist = NAZI
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Apart from the final solution there isn't much I could accuse the nazis of morally.
Besides, nobody cares about genocide. Really.
People care about stuff when they're told to care about it.
Nobody sounded the bells when the Ainu were killed off and enslaved by the Yamato (modern) Japanese for over a thousand years leaving them with a population of twenty thousand.
Who the fuck even knows about the Armenians who were hung en masse by the Ottaman Turks.
The average person in the world and even Australia doesn't know that the Aboriginals in Tasmania were completely wiped out.
The Rwandan slaughter!? Nobody gives a shit about Africa!
The entire Balkan area is just a mess, and gypsie women around there are being forced into mandatory sterilisation.
SUDAN! How many people know/care?
But you lay a finger on a race with money, and by god you better get ready for a Holocaust Museum in your local community.
Jews in Germany = Arabs in Israel. You might as well wrap up the Arabic language, culture and people in Israel and slap on a big fat yellow star. And the only difference; unlike Jews the Arabs don't make up 23% of American millionaires and as such nobody gives a shit.
The "moral lows" of the nazis are more common than people think. The problem is, people don't think, they don't know and they don't care. Because they aren't told.
I don't know what's motivated me to write all this... i suppose it's just the fact that even morals are measured with a dollar value.
Submitted by paxlaurien (user info) at 2005-06-18 08:54:49 EDT (#)
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now if only the libertarians could put forth a candidate that wasn't certifiable.
Maybe I should get into politics
Submitted by Episode (user info) at 2005-06-18 08:09:05 EDT (#)
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Politics is best handled in small bites, at least on the internet anyway.
To quote "arguing over politics on the internet is like the special olympics" <<< VERY rough quote.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-06-18 07:57:58 EDT (#)
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national socialist = NAZI
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-06-18 07:57:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-06-18 04:21:27 (#)
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Rad, unless those resolutions were the UN declaring war, they don't justify it. And American congress voting for invading another country doesn't justify it either, the American government can't just justify an invasion for itself.
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How exactly does the UN declare war?
And as far as a soverign nation deciding who and what it invades, it kinda justified invasion by following protocol.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-06-18 07:34:16 EDT (#)
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What about pro-life anti-war nationalist socialists?
We're cool, right???
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-06-18 07:15:18 EDT (#)
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Some of this was good, some of it was pretty damn stupid.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2005-06-18 07:12:55 EDT (#)
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solid
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-06-18 04:21:27 EDT (#)
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Would have been a zero but had to rate accordingly with the straight 2s. This is an overly simplified and often flat out wrong examination of these issues. As much as I hate the two party system and all that, no.
Rad, unless those resolutions were the UN declaring war, they don't justify it. And American congress voting for invading another country doesn't justify it either, the American government can't just justify an invasion for itself.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-06-18 03:19:59 EDT (#)
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You are still right on just about everything.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-06-18 03:19:28 EDT (#)
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This is why the Republicans are wrong:
There was no justification for the war in Iraq.
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what about US congress voting in favour of it, and being backed by teh UK and OZ?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-06-18 03:18:55 EDT (#)
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This is why the Republicans are wrong:
There was no justification for the war in Iraq.
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What about 17 UN resolutions?
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-06-18 03:04:41 EDT (#)
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Good luck with this post.
I disagree with the education bit, which is the only section I know anything about, but I think the US should be able to stand a bit of criticism sometimes.
On education: there are other ways of ensuring that kids progress other than the grade system. In the Uk most schools will group children by age AND ability, so the best students get pushed on, and those who need more support gets it. Then, at 16, everyone takes GCSE examinations and can leave school. After 16 kids go on to further study, vocational training or a job because they have grown out of school.
Submitted by twentyseventy (user info) at 2005-06-18 02:35:36 EDT (#)
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go libertarians
woo
Submitted by ellsmall (user info) at 2005-06-18 02:26:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by simple_catalyst (user info) at 2005-06-18 01:21:52 (#)
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fuck the two party slavery system!
plus i'm intoxicated....
therefore:
you rock.
decently.
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fer shur!
Submitted by simple_catalyst (user info) at 2005-06-18 01:21:52 EDT (#)
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fuck the two party slavery system!
plus i'm intoxicated....
therefore:
you rock.
decently.