Drugs and gambling should be legal everywhere and there should be no drinking age (1413 hits)
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Submitted by mush (View user info) at 2005-07-11 00:53:13 EDT
I know what you're thinking: This is me... being a hit-whore. But I actually have something worthwhile to say.
I know, I know... this seems like it should be right up there with 'Yankees Sucks' or 'Abortion is Wrong' posts... but in the 6 months I've been an Uberer, I've yet to see a single post dealing with the fact that the drinking age is a fucking joke and that drugs should really be legalized. Now... as this is the first thing I've wanted to write about in a few days, I'm not going to steal my own thunder by spending the 6 seconds it would take to do a search for similar topics. Instead I am going to write on and risk a -2dal wave.
Why is there a drinking age? Has anyone ever stopped and asked this question? I'm sure some people have, but the majority of people have not. They simply say: you need to be mature to handle alcohol, and you need to be 21, and that's that. You can tell these people instantly. They are the people that will instantly say "without a drinking age... we will have an increase in drunk driving accidents!!" To those people I have only one thing to say: Shut up and please start thinking for yourselves you mindless automatons.
Should my 11 year old cousin be able to walk into a liquor store and buy a case of OldE 40's? Shit no... But then again, I don't think police should be pressing charges against parents who let their 17 year old kids throw parties for 10 of their friends where there are a couple case of Bud Light. I mean cops are actually BUSTING these parties. They setup fucking stings.
As a side note, I just modified this to include gambling. Can you believe these fucks actually raid pokers games in people's HOUSES?! I can't.
Dear Cops Who Bust Up Private Poker Games,
Go be real cops you stupid fucks.
Love,
Me.
Anyway.
I know that young people shouldn't drink, but I really think that should be a choice for the guardians. If we are afraid of little Johnny drinking and driving, then his parents should either a) not buy him booze or b) not give him the car keys. Buying booze is one thing. If you want an age limit to buy booze, fine. But there should be no laws against possession or consumption.
Now onto drugs. Same question. Why are drugs illegal? Again, most people will probably say: "Because drugs are harmful! Because drugs kill people! Because drugs are bad!!"
To this I say hogwash. Hogwash, I say. Cigarettes are harmful. Alcohol can be harmful. McDonalds is bad. I mean, shit, even too much salt can kill you.
I do not understand this 'War on Drugs.' The way I look at it, drugs could benefit society:
1) Weed -- Do fathers ever get really stoned and then go home to beat and rape their little kids? No alcoholic faggots do. Legalize it.
2) Heroin -- Let the shit heads get addicted. Consider it a form of Bum control. Actually... let it be a form of idiot control. If you can't handle it... you die... and your chromosomes are removed from the gene pool. Heroin: If you're dumb enough to inject it into your veins, you deserve the consequences.
3) Cocaine -- I know PLENTY of people who are not addicted to coke, so don't try throwing that line at me. I have never done coke, not because of a lack of opportunities, but I frankly just never trusted any of the people offered it to me. Fact is, I hear coke is one hell of a drug. I once had a friend call me from a party like 2 hours away. He was fucking WASTED... couldn't even make words on the phone. Two hours later (I was up late studying for something), I see the fucker walk by my room. He did a line of coke, sobered him right up. He even got pulled over for a taillight on the way home and didn't get in trouble. Coke: for sober drives home after long nights of drinking.
4) Acid -- Again, acid is another drug I have never tried. I'm actually afraid to do any kind of hallucinogen because I'd be that kid who would have a bad trip, try to eat his arm off, and thrown himself down a flight of stairs chanting 'The squirrels!!! THe squirrels!!!' Buuut, various American Indian tribes did more peyote than Jimi Hendrix, and they had a pretty sweet civilization until we came and fucked it all up. Acid: Being likes Indians is cool (feathers, not dots) until the white man come... then you better be like a white man again... and with a quickness.
And so on.
I really want some INTELLIGENT feedback on this. I have not been able to find any literature on why these things are illegal.
* I don't want some mother whose son died in a drunk driving accident to respond that alcohol is bad and killed her son. No, ma'am. Either your son was stupid enough to be drunk driving (his fault, not alcohols) or he got hit by a drunk driver (in which case it doesn't really matter how old the drunk driver was... just that he/she was a drunken moron).
* I don't want someone to reply that gambling made their father lose the family estate and pushed them into a quarter million in debt. Just because your father has a problem, doesn't mean that the rest of the normal people shouldn't be able to have fun.
* I don't want some drug activist to tell me that I'm "ghey" or "ignorant" because I don't see how drugs are destroying the youth of America. No they aren't. The 'thug' image constantly portrayed by MTV, E!, VH1, and BET is doing way more damage to our youth than drugs ever could.
This is not a pipe dream. This not the plea of am imbecile who wants to sit around and do drugs and chant 'Viva Anarchy'. I feel that the current stance of this country in many areas is contrary to the intentions of the Constitution. Seat belt laws? No way. If I wanna drive fast with no seat belt and risk MY life... why can't I? Helmet laws? No way. Same argument. Can't buy booze on Sundays? Are you serious?
I am sick of the government taking the stance "you guys are idiots, so we're gonna make all these laws to MAKE you make yourself safe... and we're gonna make a huge deal out of it so you'll like us and vote for us because we are championing the cause of the week."
Education. Not Prohibition.
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Submitted by CM-102 (user info) at 2007-03-15 01:13:13 EDT (#)
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Oh and about the government having no right to tell us what to do with our bodies?
Again, fucking stupid because it ends up costing the rest of us money, and people die.
Submitted by CM-102 (user info) at 2007-03-15 01:10:14 EDT (#)
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While maybe only the idiots who take drugs/alcohol are a danger, they still hurt the rest of us.
Sure some kid who dies in a car crash might just be stupid motherfucker who deserves it, what of the person he kills?
While i dont mind marijuana, the rest of this is just fucking stupid.
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-08-01 14:12:50 EDT (#)
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alragusa wrote:
Drugs - This is where we disagree. Drugs are VERY harmful to the body. They also cause ALOT of monetary loss in terms of hospital bills and crime. Now, you will say, McDonalds/Cigarettes/Booze. This is not valid because it would take decades of smoking, eating or drinking to cause severe health problems and I am sure that no one robbed a store or killed anyone else because of a craving for a Chicken McNugget. Also, if you look at countries where this shit is legal, the culture is also shit.
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Ok fine. Prove it. Almost every sentence in that last paragraph is like a bleach blond porn star: Looks good, no substance. I'll break it down:
1) Drugs are VERY harmful to the body: So is alcohol, too much salt, and too much carbon dioxide. Who cares if it harms my body. If want to, I should be able to
2) They also cause [a lot] (editor fix) of monetary loss in terms of hospital bills and crime: I'm not sure what you mean here. Monetary loss for whom? The victim? Me? The insurance company? And how to drugs cause crime? That's like saying guns kill people.
3) Now, you will say, McDonalds/Cigarettes/Booze: No I won't.
4) This is not valid because it would take decades of smoking, eating or drinking to cause severe health problems and I am sure that no one robbed a store or killed anyone else because of a craving for a Chicken McNugget: Are you sure? Again I will ask you to prove it. However, despite any proof you might come up with, I'm pretty sure that 10 big macs could kill a dude with a severe heart condition; a handle of vodka in a night could kill me; I'm not sure about cigarettes. But again, you're missing the point because if I want to hurt my own body, I should be able to.
5) Also, if you look at countries where this shit is legal, the culture is also shit: Completely nebulous. Cite examples. Prove it.
Submitted by alragusa (user info) at 2005-07-26 13:45:08 EDT (#)
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I agree with you half way. What do you think of this:
Lowering the drinking age to 18 - Since, as a previous poster said, this is voting/driving/army age, it would seem wrong to allow a young person to be shot at by terrorists, but not drink a beer. The "drunk driving" argument is hogwash. On the same note, maybe the driving age should be 18, but that's a state issue.
Gambling - agree 100%. What's wrong with casinos? I don't gamble, but a casino would SURE AS HELL generate TONS of money in taxes.
Drugs - This is where we disagree. Drugs are VERY harmful to the body. They also cause ALOT of monetary loss in terms of hospital bills and crime. Now, you will say, McDonalds/Cigarettes/Booze. This is not valid because it would take decades of smoking, eating or drinking to cause severe health problems and I am sure that no one robbed a store or killed anyone else because of a craving for a Chicken McNugget. Also, if you look at countries where this shit is legal, the culture is also shit.
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-12 08:21:59 EDT (#)
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JulsInsane, thanks for that link.
Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2005-07-11 18:40:07 EDT (#)
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This website has a few good articals about the drinking age in the US, it's primary focus is on the inaccuracies in the US statistics about drinking age and highway deaths.
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1115215222.html
The legal drinking age in Ireland is 18, but I think its 16 to order a drink with a meal. They have some of the strictest drunk driving laws in the world and they are incredibly well enforced.
I drank from the age of 16 in the US, I drank in Irish bars in NYC. My parents were very aware of what I was doing and really had no problem with it
A. because they could easily find out exactly what state of inebriation I got myself into, and would revoke the privilage of going out to a bar if they found out I was shitfaced in public.
B. I felt that I really started binge drinking when I started hanging out with American kids in college who had just started drinking and were drinking it like the well would run dry.
There is no right or wrong answer on this, I can't really see what was to gain by the American government raising the drinking age in the 80's if in fact there was no decline in drunk driving deaths.
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-11 13:04:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2005-07-11 10:51:58 (#)
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I am going to go against the grain and support you on this one.
We should lower the drinking age. My biggest reason: 18 is the age of consent, voting age, DRAFT age, emancipation age, TOBACCO consumption age, etc...you get the point. It just seems illogical and arbitrary to have drinking be 21.
Drugs should be legal...and the age of purchase should be 18, with parents/guardians able to allow their kids to consume. Drugs are no worse than alcohol and tobacco - the only difference is that the government is getting ALOT of money from prescription drug companies, and they want us dependent on PRESCRIPTION drugs not "ILLEGAL" ones.
I am also in favor of licensed and regulated gambling and prostitution. Why shouldn't consenting adults be able to engage in these things? We already let them drink themselves into oblivion and smoke their way to tumors....
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AHh... if only I could control my arrogant, asshole tendancies and put things like that.
Oh well.
Hey timmy if you're still reading this thread: is gmail fucked up? I've been emailing you all morning.
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2005-07-11 10:51:58 EDT (#)
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I am going to go against the grain and support you on this one.
We should lower the drinking age. My biggest reason: 18 is the age of consent, voting age, DRAFT age, emancipation age, TOBACCO consumption age, etc...you get the point. It just seems illogical and arbitrary to have drinking be 21.
Drugs should be legal...and the age of purchase should be 18, with parents/guardians able to allow their kids to consume. Drugs are no worse than alcohol and tobacco - the only difference is that the government is getting ALOT of money from prescription drug companies, and they want us dependent on PRESCRIPTION drugs not "ILLEGAL" ones.
I am also in favor of licensed and regulated gambling and prostitution. Why shouldn't consenting adults be able to engage in these things? We already let them drink themselves into oblivion and smoke their way to tumors....
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-11 09:54:16 EDT (#)
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All in all most of you guys are right though... I was a hippocritcal in asking for intelligent debate when I posted this idea wrapped in a nice blanket of sarcastic shit. My apologies.
I was in an odd mood last night, and after hearing that 34 people in some small town in Mass got busted for booze I got real pissed. I wasnt really paying attention to the TV, but it was a combination of
1) 14 year old girl in the hospital (which i think is absurd and someone should reap consequences for)
2) bunch of 17/18 year old drinking in a basement
3) i think parents of the minors who were allowing them to drink
Everyone got indicted. It really pissed me off, especially knowing that this was a suburb and Boston, and 20 miles away there are murders in Brockton and Jamaica Plains (other Boston suburbs) every other week.
Regardless of how I got my point across, I really don't think there are any valid arguments for why these laws are the way they are: I don't see why drugs are illegal and why there is a drinking age.
And I'm sorry for not making a big enough deal out of one line of what I wrote. I really have not been able to find any literature on the WHYS behinds these laws.
Please educate me. If you think I really am wrong then linkwhore away and show me some studies. If you think i could have done better with a little statisical ammo behind me, then by all means linkwhore away and let me know why I'm correct but misguided.
I want to know more about this.
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-11 09:45:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-07-11 04:44:20 (#)
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You've put me in a weird situation Mush. On the one hand I agree with you, on the other your argument and delivery are appaling. In fact if I didn't know better I'd assume you're for prohibition and are trying some kind of fancy socratic argument. Moving briskly on...
You've shot your self in the foot with this line:
"Should my 11 year old cousin be able to walk into a liquor store and buy a case of OldE 40's? Shit no..."
Why not? After all you're suggesting that there is no problem getting drunk, that you have no problem with them drinking. It's a bit of a contradiction in terms to say 'yes you can drink but you can't buy it.' Granted the little tyke is going to have to save up a lot of pocket money to buy his hooch but he may as well have the option if we're going to allow him to drink the stuff.
There is a problem with kids putting weird shit in their bodies and that is that they are still growing, it'll mess with them. Now, your argument that they (and their parents) should know better is one I would very much like to agree with. I cannot though, reason being is that I know people will do all sorts of weird shit with this law. Abusive parents will end up with even more fucked up kids as they'll be addicted to God only knows what. Still shit happens and if we agree on some kind of 'social enlightenment initiative' then we'll probably be able to get round that one. It is important to remember that societies laws are there to protect society, we just happen to be members of society so they appear to protect us. I hope that last sentance makes sense because it's very important.
My concluding thought is that people who get addicted to serious substances pretty much have their minds set on 'opting out' of the whole life thing. If they didn't do drugs or alcohol they'd do something else to facilitate their self-destruction. People are, by and large, relativly sensible about what they do and do not do so I can't see too much badness coming of an end to prohibition.
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Well here's the thing about the 11-year old thing. I don't think an 11 year old should be able to get drunk. But I guess... that doesnt mean I think the government has a right to stop him from doing it. Bottom line: I just think they have no right regulating what we can and cannot do with our bodies. I think it's up to our parents/guardians and then us once we get out on our own.
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-11 09:41:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by RandytheHelpfulPineapple (user info) at 2005-07-11 03:02:29 (#)
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I have a lot of problems with this article.
While I am a big supporter of legalizing marijuana, you have portrayed your support of it in such a way as to make us look bad. I have a feeling you watched that one clip of Jesse Ventura chewing out that DEA spokesperson "How many marijuana users go home and beat their wives?".
The reasons that marijuana should be legalized are not "just because", but rather for social issues and economics. There is a wealth of essays on the subject online and in your library, I suggest you use them to better your argument.
You appear to harbor some angst towards the government for taking away what you percieve as freedoms. There's too much stuff for me to rip apart, even though I'm on the same page for the most part. Read up a bit, and then make an argument (people will take you more seriously).
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Read up a bit where? That was the whole freakin' point of what I wrote. Where can I read up a bit? What can I read up on? I can't find any intelligent arguments on this shit anywhere. It's just hippies saying 'legalize it' or people who have been hurt by drugs or alcohol saying 'its bad!!'
What can I read up on?
Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2005-07-11 09:39:51 EDT (#)
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Pfft! This isn't very hit-whorey. Try "Olsen twins nude naked vagina and Britney Spears tits should be legal for any teen, mature sex orgasm person" as a title. You'll nail 1,000 a day.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-07-11 09:18:37 EDT (#)
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Yeah, but It could well go down and it certainly wouldn't go up.
Submitted by Obi-wan (user info) at 2005-07-11 09:13:38 EDT (#)
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Im pretty sure I did a post on this, comparing alcohol to ecstasy.
I've heard that the number of drug related deaths would fall, if they were legalized, due to people being unafraid to call the police, and health and safety regulations meaning you're not taking an E with rat poison in it.
Also, it would raise money for the government.
Smoking (niccotine) is very bad for your health, but the taxes on it pay for the cost of it to the NHS and then some. With taxes on weed E's coke and all that, the goverment would have a lot more money to spend. Which in the UK is generally considered a good thing, especially if the money is being taken from people stupid enough to do drugs rather than income tax.
Im sure you could of put a lot more into this post, then again I didn't with mine so +1.
Look at Holland
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They would still tax us by income anyway.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-07-11 08:58:33 EDT (#)
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Im pretty sure I did a post on this, comparing alcohol to ecstasy.
I've heard that the number of drug related deaths would fall, if they were legalized, due to people being unafraid to call the police, and health and safety regulations meaning you're not taking an E with rat poison in it.
Also, it would raise money for the government.
Smoking (niccotine) is very bad for your health, but the taxes on it pay for the cost of it to the NHS and then some. With taxes on weed E's coke and all that, the goverment would have a lot more money to spend. Which in the UK is generally considered a good thing, especially if the money is being taken from people stupid enough to do drugs rather than income tax.
Im sure you could of put a lot more into this post, then again I didn't with mine so +1.
Look at Holland.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-07-11 08:53:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-07-11 08:10:15 (#)
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Everything should be legal. Except shrimp. Shrimp are disgusting.
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When I was a child, my sister and I would go shrimping of the shores of Anglesey with our freinds the fry's (no pun intended). We used to start at around 7 and stay out there till 9. In the right season we'd catch hundreds of the little, irradiated blighters. We'd take them back and aunty Bab's would boil them alive in a giant saucepan and we'd eat them all night. I've never enjoyed eating seafood at any other time (even shrimp).
When I was 16 me and all my mates wen to that caravan for a piss up. We went shriming but it must have been the wrong season because we didn't catch a thing, not even a crab. I never told anyone this but I cried that night and never went to Anglesey or shrimping ever again.
Semi-true story.
Submitted by InsoManiac (user info) at 2005-07-11 08:43:46 EDT (#)
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My foot hurts.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-07-11 08:32:09 EDT (#)
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I agree with legalizing pot.
256 hits hardly constitutes hit-whoring.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-07-11 08:10:15 EDT (#)
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Everything should be legal. Except shrimp. Shrimp are disgusting.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-07-11 07:10:07 EDT (#)
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Timmy is right.
'What do we want?
safety and freedom for all!
When do we want them?
TIMMY!'
heh, I made myself laugh.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2005-07-11 06:56:20 EDT (#)
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The 'thug' image constantly portrayed by MTV, E!, VH1, and BET is doing way more damage to our youth than drugs ever could.
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i've heard you make this argument before. this wasn't nearly as good as the other time. the other time i remember thinking, "oh. well..yeah, thats right." and my opinion was changed. not so much this time.
seatbelt/helmet laws, etc:
having seatbelt and helmet laws saves the country money. how much? id on't know, and i don't feel like researching. but its some. obviously you can accept that you are less likely to get seriously hurt with a seatbelt or helmet. because its true. with nobody, or substantially fewer people wearing them, there would be more dehabilitating lifelong injuries. injuries that exceed the maximum insurance payout. so then we'd have an abundance of vegtables chilling in hospitals racking up millions of dollars of hospital bills.
to this you'd say, "just let them die"
but health care people are not going to change their moral agenda due to a change in seatbelt legislation. they're still going to take care of the sick. and the money's going to come from somewhere, most likely tax payers' pockets. and i'm aware that its only something liek six cents per family, but thats still a reason.
Submitted by Ragman (user info) at 2005-07-11 05:19:22 EDT (#)
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well, i'd love to review this post but im so drunk that i'm busy betting on whether or not my 6 year old cousin will die from doing all these drugs
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-07-11 04:44:20 EDT (#)
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You've put me in a weird situation Mush. On the one hand I agree with you, on the other your argument and delivery are appaling. In fact if I didn't know better I'd assume you're for prohibition and are trying some kind of fancy socratic argument. Moving briskly on...
You've shot your self in the foot with this line:
"Should my 11 year old cousin be able to walk into a liquor store and buy a case of OldE 40's? Shit no..."
Why not? After all you're suggesting that there is no problem getting drunk, that you have no problem with them drinking. It's a bit of a contradiction in terms to say 'yes you can drink but you can't buy it.' Granted the little tyke is going to have to save up a lot of pocket money to buy his hooch but he may as well have the option if we're going to allow him to drink the stuff.
There is a problem with kids putting weird shit in their bodies and that is that they are still growing, it'll mess with them. Now, your argument that they (and their parents) should know better is one I would very much like to agree with. I cannot though, reason being is that I know people will do all sorts of weird shit with this law. Abusive parents will end up with even more fucked up kids as they'll be addicted to God only knows what. Still shit happens and if we agree on some kind of 'social enlightenment initiative' then we'll probably be able to get round that one. It is important to remember that societies laws are there to protect society, we just happen to be members of society so they appear to protect us. I hope that last sentance makes sense because it's very important.
My concluding thought is that people who get addicted to serious substances pretty much have their minds set on 'opting out' of the whole life thing. If they didn't do drugs or alcohol they'd do something else to facilitate their self-destruction. People are, by and large, relativly sensible about what they do and do not do so I can't see too much badness coming of an end to prohibition.
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2005-07-11 04:32:48 EDT (#)
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Your idiocy scares me.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-07-11 04:13:04 EDT (#)
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This, fellow uberusers, is the future of America.
RAD, OUT!
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-07-11 04:10:31 EDT (#)
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He did a line of coke, sobered him right up.
Submitted by lordofduct (user info) at 2005-07-11 04:02:58 EDT (#)
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One other thing... nothing that is factual or proves a point. Just disaproves one of your points.
I quit coke a long while back. I used to sit around and snort absurd amounts. Sometimes as much as a quarter ounce and once a freakin' half ounce to myself in one evening (yeah they usually last into morning time though).
I stopped, at a party we threw in memory of my brother after his funeral I got drunk. I was so wasted and out of it that I excepted a line from my friend. I about had a freakin' heart attack on the floor right there. Hrmm, I don't think it would have been to safe for me to drive after that one.
Submitted by lordofduct (user info) at 2005-07-11 03:57:13 EDT (#)
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If you want some intelligent feedback, then write something intelligent.
Due to the contrary...
Yeah dood bra, fuckin' cracka smellin' shiat. I like snort eightballs all day and get REALLY parafuckin' uhhh noid? heh, pizza... yeah well scared dat do's damn coppers gunna come fuck with my shit and stuff yo'. So like make it legal so I can do it and stuff...
what was I saying...
1 sec phone call
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crap, I forgot to go to my friends funeral, he OD'd on this shit brah, but so what... he just didn't know what he was doing. He is a light weight pussy bra.
So as I was saying... what was I saying... oh yeah!
Cause like when I was like 14 my ma would get shit faced and stuff and get shit faced with me and crap and fuckin' I'd wake up from nights of whip its and ecstacy butt naked in our pool with like 20 people lieing around the yard just like TRASHED. Dude what a fuckin' hoot, every mother fucka should be able to experience that shit cause like they SHOULD and legalizing would allow that and crap I have to take a shit now...
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Sick thing is that all is kind of true. I have missed funerals of my friends because I was to busy getting wasted on coke. I have thrown huge drunken parties with my mother at age 14 that just get overboard. My own little brother is dead today because of a lot of this... Hrmm... yeah I think we should make it legal so even more people can have as much excruciating FUN as I did!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-07-11 03:23:30 EDT (#)
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die
Submitted by RandytheHelpfulPineapple (user info) at 2005-07-11 03:02:29 EDT (#)
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I have a lot of problems with this article.
While I am a big supporter of legalizing marijuana, you have portrayed your support of it in such a way as to make us look bad. I have a feeling you watched that one clip of Jesse Ventura chewing out that DEA spokesperson "How many marijuana users go home and beat their wives?".
The reasons that marijuana should be legalized are not "just because", but rather for social issues and economics. There is a wealth of essays on the subject online and in your library, I suggest you use them to better your argument.
You appear to harbor some angst towards the government for taking away what you percieve as freedoms. There's too much stuff for me to rip apart, even though I'm on the same page for the most part. Read up a bit, and then make an argument (people will take you more seriously).
Submitted by Duke_Diggler (user info) at 2005-07-11 02:33:56 EDT (#)
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Wow, this alcohol and drug laws are NEVER discussed on Uber. If you are a 6 month user of Uber either you can't read, or have the memory of a goldfish...because this shit is posted 1 or 2 times a week minimum.
Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-11 02:03:49 EDT (#)
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I partially agree and partially disagree.
The drinking age should be 18, hardcore drugs should NOT be legalized, gambling should definately be legal, seeing as how people do it all the time anyway.
I won't say why I feel this way because I'm in dire need of some sleep.
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:47:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:02:18 (#)
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Not very intelligent. I don't see why we should respond intelligently if you haven't written an intelligent post. That said, there is an essence of truth in what you're saying.
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Thorpe was that a compliment? *blush* I knew you'd warm up to me eventually. :-)
And now that i've replied 4 times in 3 minutes... it's bed time for this guy. I'll answer all the rest of the hate-replies in 7 hours.
-mush
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:46:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:25:32 (#)
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You're-a-fucking-IDIOT.
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And you are what's wrong with society. People like you that see an idea they don't agree with, and instead of trying to convey your point of view (I admit the fact that maybe you can teach me something I don't know) you just call me a idiot and move along.
Die.
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:44:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by stupidsexyflanders (user info) at 2005-07-11 00:58:56 (#)
Ranking: -2
They're more likely to bring around prohibition than to legalize everything else. Faggit.
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So whats your point? Does what they are 'more likely' to do make it right? You didnt say whether or not you agreed with what I said.
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:43:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by alfakyle (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:01:18 (#)
Ranking: -2
"Seat belt laws? No way. If I wanna drive fast with no seat belt and risk MY life... why can't I? Helmet laws? No way. Same argument."
Great. When you're not wearing your seatbelt and I hit your car and you are killed, I go to jail for vehicular manslaughter or something. Or you don't die, you (or your family) just sue me. Your not wearing a seatbelt ruins my life.
Fuck you. Move to Mexico.
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You shouldnt have hit my car in the first place -- fag.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:36:10 EDT (#)
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Here in Aus, the legal drinking age in public is 18, but in private you can do what you like... And you Americans live in the land of the free?
As for drugs, shitheads addicted to heavier drugs go out and steal shit to feed their addictions. A lot of people try to counter this by saying "If it was legal, the prices would drop by a bajillion percent and they wouldn't steal shit". My response is the people who make drugs are going to keep the prices high. Perhaps not as high as it was before, but still high enough and crimes are going to continue and users of the drug will rise.
The only time I'd even consider legalising drugs would be for soft drugs like marijuana, if the supply was strictly regulated by the state.
As for gambling; it should be totally legal.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:26:41 EDT (#)
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gambling is absolutely legal unless the house gets a percentage of the winnings.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:25:32 EDT (#)
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You're-a-fucking-IDIOT.
Submitted by Lucylou (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:18:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Lucylou (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:16:36 (#)
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In NZ the drinking age was lowered from 20 to 18 about 5 years ago. Now, because of all the trouble it's caused (huge increase in hospitalisation for alcohol-related injuries etc, increase in vandalism, among other reasons), there is a Bill going through Parliament to put the age back up to 20. The rationale is that, at 18, most people just aren't mature enough to drink responsibly (that sucks for the 18-year-olds who are responsible drinkers though).
Also, you say drugs are harmless, they don't cause problems? Try telling that to the women who were killed by a samurai-sword-wielding man on P. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10117212.
Sorry, a clarification. The samurai sword guy didn't kill his victims, just attacked them and cut of the cut of the hand of one of them. Lovely!
Submitted by Lucylou (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:16:36 EDT (#)
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In NZ the drinking age was lowered from 20 to 18 about 5 years ago. Now, because of all the trouble it's caused (huge increase in hospitalisation for alcohol-related injuries etc, increase in vandalism, among other reasons), there is a Bill going through Parliament to put the age back up to 20. The rationale is that, at 18, most people just aren't mature enough to drink responsibly (that sucks for the 18-year-olds who are responsible drinkers though).
Also, you say drugs are harmless, they don't cause problems? Try telling that to the women who were killed by a samurai-sword-wielding man on P. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10117212.
Submitted by Flaahgra (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:09:53 EDT (#)
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I also only gave you a zero because you did a pretty shitty job in arguing it. But still, I get what you're saying, and I agree.
Submitted by Flaahgra (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:07:41 EDT (#)
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I agree with you 100%, but I'm sick of arguing over it, whether it's been on Uber or not. So, have a 0.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:07:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Laws are there to protect people like you from themselves!
Drinking- in the UK you have to be 18 to buy alcohol or drink in a bar, but you can drink at any age. Also from 14 you can have beer or wine with a meal in a restaurant. In Continental Europe the rules on drinking are even more relaxed and it gives kids a much more relaxed attitude to alcohol. To me it seems like people get the whole drink to you are sick thing over with a lot younger than in countries where you have to wait to 21.
Drugs- there is an argument to be able to sell drugs in a controlled way like ciggarettes or alcohol. Personally I think this is a stupid idea. If you invented nicotine or alcohol now it would never be made legal. Cannabis fucks people up who use it long term, I've seen too many kids go mental after using it. Drugs are against the law to protect the people that have a bad reaction- who OD the first time they try Heroin or Coke because it is "too pure" or throw themselves off a train on acid.
Submitted by Nefarious (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:03:59 EDT (#)
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Coke: for sober drives home after long nights of drinking.
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-2DIE (My first ever)
You are a mentally retarded man with delusions of intelligence. There are people who can speak persuasively about the merits of drug legalisation. You are not one of them.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:02:18 EDT (#)
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Not very intelligent. I don't see why we should respond intelligently if you haven't written an intelligent post. That said, there is an essence of truth in what you're saying.
Submitted by Alaskanite (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:02:07 EDT (#)
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Another thing, eliminate hospitals and vaccines. Enough weak ass humans shit. We're reaching a point where our population is reaching a critical point and its only going to take one little virus to Black Plague our asses back into the Dark Ages. Go Darwin.
Submitted by alfakyle (user info) at 2005-07-11 01:01:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
"Seat belt laws? No way. If I wanna drive fast with no seat belt and risk MY life... why can't I? Helmet laws? No way. Same argument."
Great. When you're not wearing your seatbelt and I hit your car and you are killed, I go to jail for vehicular manslaughter or something. Or you don't die, you (or your family) just sue me. Your not wearing a seatbelt ruins my life.
Fuck you. Move to Mexico.
Submitted by stupidsexyflanders (user info) at 2005-07-11 00:58:56 EDT (#)
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They're more likely to bring around prohibition than to legalize everything else. Faggit.