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Submitted by Tiffany <Tifferistic1.at.AOL.COM> (View user info) at 2003-06-25 10:07:21 EDT
And this is all the proof anyone should need!!
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Submitted by Chad_Sexington (user info) at 2003-08-28 13:36:05 EDT (#)
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Go fuck yourself.
Submitted by Chad_Sexington (user info) at 2003-08-28 13:35:47 EDT (#)
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You know, if you actually fucking remember the election, it all came down to Florida. Besides, Gore won the popular vote. And the Republican's pre-election tactics (denying voting rights to people who have commited crimes [that is legal under Florida legislature, apparently], people related to those who have commited crimes, or those with a similar NAME as those who have commited crimes, and so on) sealed the fate of the nation before the election took place.
Tiff, I don't mind if you're a Republican. I know I am. But you're one of the stubborn and stupid ones that reminds us all how much we hate Republicans. I'm not saying I'm not, but I KNOW that we took the election from Gore. And that knowledge gives me something to gloat about.
Submitted by Sounsexy00 (user info) at 2003-08-28 13:02:13 EDT (#)
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First off..... id rather have Bush than Gore any day. BUT:
asshole, this was almost 4 years ago. It is over. you won. take yes for an answer. what is the point in debating this now. you cant go back 4 years. he has already spent his time in office. ok. neat. LET IT GO.
-Hads
why do you drag up the old bullshit?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2003-08-28 12:51:15 EDT (#)
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No problem whatsoever.
I hear he is a cat lover.
We could lure him to our *museum* and let him walk over the trap doors and fall into our pit of spare pussy parts where he would scream and beg for his live.
We would say "No! Castro you steeenking commie peeeeeg. Die !!!" and then unload a truck full of virgin's earlobes and crush him to death.
Vive la *highly disturbed* revolution!!!
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2003-08-28 12:42:06 EDT (#)
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Cuba sounds good. Never been but it looks spectacular in books, mags and films.
We would have to import different varities of Latin women though; we might tire of the cubanitas.
Actually, Castro is one of the most protected men on the planet. He has survived well over 650 verified assasination attempts and holds a guiness record for this. I think I read that 60- something were state sanctioned by USA (cia most likely)
It would be no problem for
... the *highly disturbed* two!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2003-08-28 12:23:23 EDT (#)
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Insane : Cuba?
Wouldn't take long to over throw the *bearded* one.
We could keep our monkey's in Texas. Let them run the oil pumps.
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2003-08-28 12:13:59 EDT (#)
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Annex the UK (with me agitating from the inside) and use it for nuclear power.
You and I will have a state for ourselves which we can rule as we please.
What do you reckon?
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Sounds good. Where will the monkeys be "werehoused"?
Nuclear waste also could be disposed of in Canada. Their cleanliness really fucking bothers me.
As for the state for ourselves... I am not sure where to choose.
Suggestions?
One with plentiful beaches and latin gimps for me.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2003-08-28 11:21:07 EDT (#)
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Insane : Thanks for that.
Of course this will be all different when we over throw this *democracy* and rule by fear.
Annex the UK (with me agitating from the inside) and use it for nuclear power.
You and I will have a state for ourselves which we can rule as we please.
What do you reckon?
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2003-08-28 10:37:41 EDT (#)
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Tiff-
It is only what, almost 3 fucking years since this happened. Why are you putting this up now?
If there is any sort of God, this sonofabitch and his partners in crime will not be in Washington for much longer. Unless it is a Federal Prison.
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2003-08-28 10:35:35 EDT (#)
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Apollo-
Some states in USA have given back/don't restrict convicted felon's rights to vote.
Florida's Re-Enfranchised Felons May Not Help Dems in '04
(CNSNews.com) - Florida is about to restore voting privileges to some 30,000 convicted felons as part of a lawsuit settlement. Even though the last presidential election in 2000 was so close and the high percentage of black felons could become Democratic voters, the measure may not dim President Bush's chances next year or change the outcome of the next election.
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200307/POL20030728a.shtml
and this:
The overall results of the disenfranchisement of ex-felons in Florida have been catastrophic. Currently, there are approximately 525,000 ex-felons in Florida who have completed their sentences and supervision requirements, but have been denied the right to vote. That figure represents one-third of all disenfranchised ex-felons in the United States.
One particularly troubling aspect of state laws that disenfranchise ex-felons, the ACLU said, is their impact on black men. In Florida, 31 percent of adult black males cannot vote as a result of felony disenfranchisement, almost three times greater than percentage of black males disenfranchised nationwide.
http://www.aclu.org/VotingRights/VotingRights.cfm?ID=7177&c=167
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It is rather ridiculous, wouldn't you say?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2003-08-28 10:25:22 EDT (#)
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Insane : J'agree.
Can anyone tell me why convicted felons aren't allowed to vote?
Surely if they have done the time they should be allowed to have their basic human rights back?
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2003-08-28 09:41:15 EDT (#)
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I still hate you and this post, though.
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2003-08-28 09:41:08 EDT (#)
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And I sound pretty ignorant too, I bet.
I wish I had some evidence to support my claims...
hahaha
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2003-08-28 09:39:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-25 10:20:37 (#)
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How can you say that they messed with the votes? It's not anyones fault but FL for their people not knowing how to punch in a little 'chad' for the man they want as President.
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<fu*k sh*t c**t moth***ucker p*ss b**ch @**hole>
Phew I had to get that out, so as to not take the name calling and insults so far.
WOW, you are fucking IGNORANT! I work in the Florida Senate and although I was not here during Bush's election, I still know you are full of shit. As a matter of fact, this whole goddamn post reeks of bullshit.
I hate you. I hate Katherine Harris and yes I did meet the bitch when she was our Secretary of State and now that she is running for what, congress?
You make some *ridiculous* fucking claims when you say that they didn't "mess with the votes." You need to wake up! This bitch stopped the counts, in a state where Bush's brother is Governor. Coincidence, I think not! (I base this on absolutely nothing, except for the fact that I know it to be true) People in other countries, not just Texas- where you are probably from- know this!
Get out of here with this absurd shit.
Submitted by Cymensen (user info) at 2003-07-21 15:01:41 EDT (#)
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This is not only election results; it's a population density chart! You're a fucking moron; it doesn't matter how many counites were won; it matters how many people voted for the cantidate that won.
Gore won. Bush was not elected.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-07-01 16:41:13 EDT (#)
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We also wouldn't have this problem if we all worshipped Norse Gods.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2003-07-01 16:38:41 EDT (#)
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You're right... we'd be worrying about how to eat.
Submitted by EndMyPain (user info) at 2003-07-01 12:24:12 EDT (#)
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we wouldnt have this problem if we were communists.
Submitted by chicagogirl (user info) at 2003-06-30 18:45:07 EDT (#)
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the orange is hurting my eyes
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2003-06-30 18:21:59 EDT (#)
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I can't believe you're still on about this...
silly, silly, republicans.
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-30 12:06:05 EDT (#)
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"if gore actually visited..say for example.. wyoming where it shows him winning no counties, he might of got the electoral votes he need to beat bush. fuck gore for not trying hard enough. fuck the libertarians for not puting up a descent nominee to take votes from bush. kinda how perot helped george sr. lose the white house. fuck the democrats for being a defunt party now. "you don't have to like the man. you don't have to agree with the man. but if he is gonna go to bat for you, you as damn sure better back the man up."-quote from my father."
your father is a great man.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by Hadooken (user info) at 2003-06-30 06:49:17 EDT (#)
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I got 10% through this thread and realized I had read this all 1000000 times before. I am more bored now than i was before reading this.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2003-06-30 03:39:28 EDT (#)
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"Y'know what I do when I see a post that doesn't interest me?
I don't read it."
That's impossible, liar.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2003-06-30 03:38:44 EDT (#)
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you know what this shows me- bush won the majority of the counties because he actually went to them. Gore only belived in votes so he concentrated on major cities. as the map shows he got alot of them in his pocket too. but you don't win elections that way. you can't go to just the population centers and say fuck you to the rest of the country. if gore actually visited..say for example.. wyoming where it shows him winning no counties, he might of got the electoral votes he need to beat bush. fuck gore for not trying hard enough. fuck the libertarians for not puting up a descent nominee to take votes from bush. kinda how perot helped george sr. lose the white house. fuck the democrats for being a defunt party now. "you don't have to like the man. you don't have to agree with the man. but if he is gonna go to bat for you, you as damn sure better back the man up."-quote from my father.
Submitted by Pacifist248 (user info) at 2003-06-30 02:58:15 EDT (#)
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I don't know where you got this shit. Gore had more personal votes. Damn electoral shit. And Bush most likely fixed it, so fuck that, too.
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-29 13:33:30 EDT (#)
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"And again you failed to address the issue of Choicepoint."
What more do you want to know?
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by GeorgeW.Bush (user info) at 2003-06-28 23:31:04 EDT (#)
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I want to clear the air around hear. First, I stole the elecshun. I did it, I admit it, and Im proud of it. But the peeple are pathetic and gullible and I can tell them whatever the heck I want to, and they'll believe it. I tell the news that I found some stuff in Irak that's a WMD and they swallow it without question. The republicans control the house and the senate, and I'm gonna appoint a total right wing wacko to the Supreme Court. That's right, I know he'll be a wacko, what are you gonna do about it? None of the news give a darn what you think, and you can just forget this dream of impeachment. It ain't gonna happen. By the way, can you write the republican party a $100,000 check? No? Then go away. You're bugging me.
I lowered the bar so much that if I go three sentences without mangling the english language the media will quote me like I'm the reincarnation of Benjamin Franklin, Ghandi, Voltaire and Jesus all rolled into one. But my opponent will still be held to the same standard that everyone else always did. Is this a great world or what?
I am bulletproof. If you're gonna come after me, you better bring some kryptonite.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-28 16:19:08 EDT (#)
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"It's been years! Let it go! Both sides!"
-Quartermain
Y'know what I do when I see a post that doesn't interest me?
I don't read it.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-28 16:18:02 EDT (#)
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So, Tiff, of 7000 people removed from the voting rosters, is 445 a majority number? You said that the majority of those on the scrub lists were in fact felons.
And again you failed to address the issue of Choicepoint.
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-28 13:43:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-06-28 13:23:37 (#)
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thats the most misleading peice of shit i have ever seen
Fuck off for just being a Random Joe.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-06-28 13:23:37 EDT (#)
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thats the most misleading peice of shit i have ever seen
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-28 13:16:21 EDT (#)
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"I don't think that it's up to us to tell them they're a convicted felon," Rosado said. "If he's on our rolls, we make a notation on there. If they show up at a polling place, we'll say, 'Wait a minute, you're a convicted felon, you can't vote. Nine out of 10 times when we repeat that to the person, they say 'Thank you' and walk away. They don't put up arguments."
I know if I was being accused of being a felon and told that I wasn't aloud to vote I would have more to say then 'Thank you'
"On Friday, the Miami Herald reported that after researching voter records in 12 Florida counties -- but primarily in Palm Beach and Duval counties, which didn't use the file -- it found that more than 445 felons had apparently cast ballots in the presidential election."
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2003-06-28 01:51:09 EDT (#)
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It's been years! Let it go! Both sides!
My personal views tend towards libetarianism anyways.
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-28 01:11:33 EDT (#)
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and actually I owe her a dinner, she has cooked for me, andy, crash, tessa, brian for the past few nights. I just don't know how great of an idea it would be for me to cook. When I was 15 I was permanently banned from the kitchen when I set my house on fire and left to go hang out with some friends. I swear it was on accident, but my parents never did forgive me for that one. That was in the past though, back in my stoner days...
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-28 01:09:37 EDT (#)
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loki;
I will make a post tommorow while tiff is at work all about how shitty my day has been. Its been the worst birthday in my entire life. The only good thing thing that happened was tiff took me out to dinner at red lobster and let me have a lobster after she let me take a shower with her... That was fun, we got into a water fight. Anyhow, My day was shit and she had just woken me up. I made that statement because I hate when people bad mouth computers. I understand the technology behind them, and most people don't. Most people have a tendency to blame the computer when a mistake is made. When in fact it was their fault. I program computers, I fix computers, I build computers. I program other electronics that have microchips. Its never the computers fault!
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-27 19:43:33 EDT (#)
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Tiff, go back and read my post. Nobody was talking about computers. In fact, if computers were mentioned in the Salon article, it was only incidentally. Computers had nothing to do with anything. Think about ChoicePoint.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-27 17:49:32 EDT (#)
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Eric, it's Friday what the FUCK are you thinking? I for one am not one to woo women, but son, it's Friday the correct answer is, "wow that was very insightful dear, I had never really thought of it in quite that way, so what do you want to do tonight? How about if we stay in and I cook dinner? "
Huh Tiff, am I right here?
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-27 17:36:28 EDT (#)
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computers never produce error. Its humans that produce error and embed them within computers. If you knew the first thing about programming you would know that the computer doesnt make a mistake. If the computer generates an error, or produces a fuck up its the programmers, or operators fault not the computers. Don't ever bad mouth computers again or I will stab you in the neck with soldering iron!
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-27 16:55:22 EDT (#)
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Alabama I don't know what else to tell you about the felons. Again the people of Florida that have gone threw the "scrub lists" year after year say that they are never 100% right. But what is 100% right when done by a computer? There is always room for error. But I'm not saying that we should just accept it either. I think they need to come up with a better way to find out if someone is a felon or not.
*<Tiff>*
Oh yeah thanks for the props
Submitted by Manfre (user info) at 2003-06-27 08:50:50 EDT (#)
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This thread is so interesting Im about to whip my dick out and masterbate furiousely.
Debate is such a turn on.
Your all in my Uber Porn. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Being sooooo burnt while working in the accounting department is not a good thing... Not while your at work... God this is so not good...
Submitted by Manfre (user info) at 2003-06-27 08:46:52 EDT (#)
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Hitler and Martin Luther King Jr both had a dream... Look at them now.
One got killed and the other was overthrown by the Allies in WWII.
Whats this tell you?
Stop dreaming. Youll only get killed.
Submitted by jen729w (user info) at 2003-06-27 07:44:57 EDT (#)
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Tiff, shit, you scare me. You're one of the reasons I feel weird about going back to the USA. If it wasn't for your amazing countryside, cheap petrol/food/labour (oops, sorry), San Francisco and the whole "roadtrip" thing I wouldn't bother. Oh yeah, and all the really cool people who live there (hiya, 80% of Uber...).
Anyway, listen up:
i. If you got a parking ticket in Florida you were a "felon" and couldn't vote. Conveniently most felons were black Gore voters. Weird.
ii. This "chad" thing. Christ, they didn't even empty the machines. It was physically impossible to push the little thing through because the back of the machine was full of old dimples or whatever the hell you call them.
iii. Bush. Fuck me, this man is frightening. Really, I'm astonished nobody has had a go at shooting the man yet. I say this with the utmost seriousness: the most powerful man in the world is a moron. If he worked in a shop he'd take a real long time counting your change. If something cost £9.05 and you gave him £10.05 (*after* he'd rung up £10 and looked at the display to see you were due 95p back) to save you getting a whole load of change back, he'd stare into the till trying to work it out. Then he'd give you 95p and 5p.
Er, and who's the governor of Florida again? Weird. Again.
Fuck off and shoot yourself with your gun(s).
xxx
Submitted by JohnWilkesBooth (user info) at 2003-06-27 02:34:53 EDT (#)
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So what? No one cares if the areas of montana with 12 white supremecists chose bu$h. You have to think about the number of people.
Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2003-06-27 02:18:43 EDT (#)
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hey, glad to hear that!
im getting high with my cat, josh the 3rd right now.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-27 00:36:25 EDT (#)
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In all fairness, I have to give Tifferistic credit for insane courage. How many other conservatives would dare to get their facts from a generally liberal news site?
Submitted by antluvdog (user info) at 2003-06-26 22:55:30 EDT (#)
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Tiff, why haven't you bothered to post at my "I Hate Bush" thread?
I hate Bush.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2003-06-26 22:50:19 EDT (#)
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Tifascistic, you're really into this aren't you?
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 22:38:02 EDT (#)
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Tiff, you make it sound as though these things just happen. But you failed to mention the database company that created the scrub lists in the first place.
ChoicePoint, the creator of the database that created these scrub lists, is run entirely by republicans, such as Ken Langone, Howard Safir, Vin Weber, and Rick Rozar. Also, ChoicePoint, merged with DBT Online, worked with a conservative organization called Voter Integrity Inc. They campaigned in parallel with the Republican Party against the 1993 motor voter law that resulted in a nationwide increase in voter registration of 7 million, much of it among minority voters.
According to this article, 7000 people were INCORRECTLY taken from the rosters. The number of black people barred from voting was disproportionately high. I couldn't find anything to the effect that the majority of the people on the scrub lists were felons. Where did you get that from?
Tiff, you've left us with the impression that the people on these lists had all the opportunity in the world to appeal their removal from the rosters. Again, you picked and chose only select, tiny portions from the article.
**"I don't think that it's up to us to tell them they're a convicted felon," Rosado said. "If he's on our rolls, we make a notation on there. If they show up at a polling place, we'll say, 'Wait a minute, you're a convicted felon, you can't vote.**
And...
**Many Orange County voters never got the chance to appeal in any form. Condrun noted that about one-third of the letters, which the county sent out by regular mail, were returned to the office marked undeliverable. She attributed the high rate of incorrect addresses to the age of the information sent by DBT, some of which was close to 20 years old, she said.**
Mistakes happen, Tiff. People screw up. But this wasn't a screwup. This was very, very deliberate.
I will, as you suggest, vote for one of the fucktard Democrats. But that's not at all the point. The reason I keep flogging this issue is that I'd like to be reasonably certain that my vote will actually be counted. "These things just happen" is a horrible and nihilistic attitude. It mocks the very idea of a democracy.
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-26 20:39:36 EDT (#)
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if he gets re elected we may as well sign the country over to someone else. Its already worth shit, and will just continue to deteriorate once that moron is re elected. He isn't going to be re elected. Should by some long shot he happen to pull it off, I am leaving with out with out you!
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-26 20:38:00 EDT (#)
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"shut up, bush isnt going to be re elected. He sucks, and he should be impeached. Once his re election campagne (Sp) starts up, I am shutting him down!"
Have you read anything about the upcoming Demos? No? I didn't think so. Cause if you did then you would know that Bush was going to get re-elected.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-26 20:34:51 EDT (#)
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shut up, bush isnt going to be re elected. He sucks, and he should be impeached. Once his re election campagne (Sp) starts up, I am shutting him down!
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-26 20:32:27 EDT (#)
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"Tiff, I'm a lil' bit confused as to how that Salon article helps your case.
The first article is distraction. While I will be happy to directly answer any of your questions later, let's stick to this specific case for now."
Okay okay so the first one was a disraction. You didn't think that I would let the Republicans take all the harp for voter fraud did you? And yes that article is from the 2002 elections. The second article shows though, if you read more then the one page, that there were more people found as felons then not. The voter fraud is going to keep happening no matter what. The people there have come to the conclusion that the "scrub lists" aren't always right, but they have to abide by them, so says the government of Florida. So I guess what I am trying to say is that it did happen in the 2000 elections, but it also happened in most the years before and will happen in the years to come so long as they have the "scrub list" going around. There is nothing that you can do about it now, so face the fact that Bush won and Gore didn't. If you don't like him then vote for one of the fucktard Demos that are running this year. They aren't going to win, but at least then you can say that you didn't vote for Bush.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2003-06-26 19:06:55 EDT (#)
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catscradle:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2003-06-26 18:49:56 EDT (#)
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"I knew I had seen that somewhere. This is Colin Powell's wife."
and that my friends is the kicker of all asses!
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 18:06:16 EDT (#)
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**Madison County's elections supervisor, Linda Howell, had a peculiarly personal reason for distrusting the central voter file: She had received a letter saying that since she had committed a felony, she would not be allowed to vote.
Howell, who said she has never committed a felony, said the letter she received in March shook her faith in the process. "It really is a mess," she said. **
This is from Tiff's second site, I knew I had seen that somewhere. This is Colin Powell's wife.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2003-06-26 18:01:28 EDT (#)
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"HUH? South Dakota is not in Florida"
Loki, dont confuse the issue with facts.
;-)
Tiff hun, ya got your work cut out for ya.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 17:51:38 EDT (#)
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"HUH? South Dakota is not in Florida"
-loki
You may be right, I think.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 17:50:08 EDT (#)
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Tiff, I don't see a year on that first article. Was that from the 2000 election or the 2002 elections?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 17:49:40 EDT (#)
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**The news marks the latest development in a widening controversy over voter registration and absentee ballots in and around American Indian reservations in South Dakota.**
HUH? South Dakota is not in Florida
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 17:44:25 EDT (#)
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Tiff, I'm a lil' bit confused as to how that Salon article helps your case.
The first article is distraction. While I will be happy to directly answer any of your questions later, let's stick to this specific case for now.
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-26 17:30:22 EDT (#)
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This one is for Alabama->
$12,000 paid to person in voter fraud probe
By AP and Journal Staff
The South Dakota Democratic Party reportedly paid the person at the center of a voter fraud investigation more than $12,000 in the last three months.
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2002/10/18/news/local/news03.txt
All 3,258 county residents who were identified as possible felons on the central voter file sent by the state in June were sent a certified letter informing them that their voting rights were in jeopardy. Of that number, 551 appealed their status, and 245 of those appeals were successful. Some had been convicted of a misdemeanor and not a felony, others were felons who had had their rights restored and others were simply cases of mistaken identity.
An additional 279 were not close matches with names on the county's own voter rolls and were not notified. Of the 3,258 names on the original list, therefore, the county concluded that more than 15 percent were in error. If that ratio held statewide, no fewer than 7,000 voters were incorrectly targeted for removal from voting rosters.
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file
There's a couple for you to start reading. Gladly I am going home from work now.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 17:08:30 EDT (#)
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**If the democrats had removed thousands of republican voters from the rosters, conservatives would have simultaneously given birth to herds of cows.**
HAHAHAHAAHAHA
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 17:02:12 EDT (#)
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"Democrats are just pacifist hippies that would rather get anal raped than stick up for themselves."
-Maleficus
Oh yeah, well, Republicans are just poop heads who like stupid stuff and have bananas out their ears.
Hey! Debating is much less stressful if you omit facts and other information pertinent to the topic!
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-06-26 16:56:33 EDT (#)
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actually, Yiff, you are wrong - ot perhaps you're right if you consider alot to mean two out of the 53 elected. Only two us presidents won by electoral vote having lost the popular vote, they are:
In 1876, Samuel J. Tilden won 51% of the popular vote, while Rutherford B. Hayes captured 48%. However, Hayes won 185 electoral votes, while Tilden got 184. A special electoral commission picked Hayes to be president.
In 1888, Benjamin Harrison became president by winning 233 electoral votes, even though he received only 47.8% of the popular vote. His opponent, Grover Cleveland, garnered 48.6% of the popular vote, yet received only 168 electoral votes.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 16:50:55 EDT (#)
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"BTW Bush didn't need the popular vote to win, just electoral. A lot of presidents were elected without popular vote: Case in point: Bill Clinton 1992. Good job you socialist fucks."
-maleficus
A comment which, of course, ignores the fact that thousands of black people were removed from the voting rosters (by a conservative think tank) because they MIGHT have been criminals, or their names or birthdays were SIMILAR to criminals. Why are conservatives (except Tiff - she promised she would address this issue) so terrified of this fact that they must pretend it doesn't even exist?
This issue is not a minor technicality. IT IS OUTRIGHT, STRAIGHTFORWARD, AND UNEQUIVOCAL VOTER FRAUD. If the democrats had removed thousands of republican voters from the rosters, conservatives would have simultaneously given birth to herds of cows. They would never have let the issue die, AND THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE RIGHT TO, FOR THE ENTIRE REST OF THE PRESIDENCY!!!
By the way, I don't recall anybody claiming voter fraud during either of Clinton's elections.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 16:37:23 EDT (#)
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"Alabama,
I see sarcasm is not your strong point."
-catscradle
Your previous comment was identical to the other stupidity written throughout this thread. How was I supposed to tell the difference?
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-26 16:32:16 EDT (#)
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oh... why dont you call 4731
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-26 16:22:00 EDT (#)
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At work still. I have stuff to do before I am aloud to go home:-(
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-26 16:15:59 EDT (#)
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Where the hell are you tiff?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 16:13:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
**BTW Bush didn't need the popular vote to win, just electoral. A lot of presidents were elected without popular vote: Case in point: Bill Clinton 1992**
wrong as usual ass lick
Bush got in through let's all say it together - VOTER FRAUD
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-26 16:08:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
"No one bitched when Clinton got into office. Democrats are just pacifist hippies that would rather get anal raped than stick up for themselves. And they aren't going to be elected in 2004 because they're all shitty candidates. Al Sharpton! LOL! Lieberman seems to be a little far right for you liberal communist fucktards. I wouldn't be too pissed if he got in. BTW Bush didn't need the popular vote to win, just electoral. A lot of presidents were elected without popular vote: Case in point: Bill Clinton 1992. Good job you socialist fucks."
And this my fellow Uber peers is a good rank. Thanks for being on the right side.
Alabama-> just got off work and I am now looking into your question. I hope you didn't think that I was done with this and not wanting to talk about it anymore?!?!
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by Maleficus (user info) at 2003-06-26 14:51:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No one bitched when Clinton got into office. Democrats are just pacifist hippies that would rather get anal raped than stick up for themselves. And they aren't going to be elected in 2004 because they're all shitty candidates. Al Sharpton! LOL! Lieberman seems to be a little far right for you liberal communist fucktards. I wouldn't be too pissed if he got in. BTW Bush didn't need the popular vote to win, just electoral. A lot of presidents were elected without popular vote: Case in point: Bill Clinton 1992. Good job you socialist fucks.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 14:32:09 EDT (#)
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I'm starting to buy into Alabama's idea, give up, switch teams. Hell I'd like to know what the grass is like on the other side, FUCK THE WORKING MAN. God that did kind of feel good to say. No rich person left behind!
Check it out, there's a story in Time this week about nudist camps. It said in the story that the vast majority of the nudies were conservatives and not the pasty white filth incrested hippies that you would think. I don't know why it's odd though.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2003-06-26 14:18:03 EDT (#)
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loki - that is SO fucked. i have so many friends in blue collar jobs that DEPEND on their overtime pay to get by and sometimes even have a little extra. back when I had a blue collar job, i depended on overtime pay to make my bills. FUCKED.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-06-26 14:14:03 EDT (#)
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Alabama,
I see sarcasm is not your strong point.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 14:08:25 EDT (#)
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While we're at it, anyone care to explain how this helps the economy?
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - More than 8 million workers in the United States will be ineligible for overtime pay under a plan proposed recently by the Bush administration, a research group said Thursday.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/26/news/economy/epi/index.htm
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 14:03:28 EDT (#)
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"...he's a ruthless dictator whom NOBODY voted for..."
-catscradle
Plenty of people voted for him. Stay off my side.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 14:01:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"I'll answer for her while she's taking her time looking up a real one for you. Here's my answer: no one cares. No one cares what you have to say, and for one simple reason: you bitching about something that happened 2 years ago isnt going to change the fact that it happened, nor is it going to change anyones opinion.... so with all due respect that you would give to someone youve never met... shoosh!
and while we're on the topic, what the hell happened with the whole hilter thing? did you know he was unfairly elected into office? CRY ME A RIVER!"
-djmatt
Nobody cares? That's kind of presumptuous. Lord knows *I* care. Personally, everybody I know (with the exception of people on the internet) cares. Anyway, "I don't care" is actually a legitimate answer to my question. Thanks.
Actually, Hitler was fairly elected, if history is accurate. What does that say about Bush?
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2003-06-26 13:44:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Loren
Fraudulent "felon" purge will aid Jeb on Nov. 5th
from Jeb Bush's secret weapon, Greg Palast, Salon.com premium
"...even though the list has been widely condemned -- the company that created it admits probable errors -- the same voter scrub list, with more than 94,000 names on it, is still in operation in Florida. Moreover, DBT Online, which generated the disastrously flawed list, reports that if it followed strict criteria to eliminate those errors, only 3,000 names would remain -- and a whopping 91,000 people would have their voting rights restored..."
http://www.fringefolk.com/PCflorida.html
"Indeed, the Florida Bush administration launched a computerized pre-election attack on black voters by purging alleged felons from voter rolls. Many of those targeted were not felons at all, but merely suspected Democrats—and known African-Americans."
http://www.columbusalive.com/2001/20010719/071901/07190104.html
The first witness was Richard Haywood, who shed light on the Bush administration's efforts to purge tens of thousands of African-Americans, Hispanics and poor people from the state's voting rolls by excluding alleged felons. Florida is one of 11 states that disenfranchise all convicted felons for life, and 525,000 Floridians, who have completed their sentences and supervision, cannot legally vote. Counting both inmates and ex-inmates, 24 percent of Florida's voting-age black males are denied the franchise.........."The company, however, could not say whether the remaining 4,000 people were genuine felons, or ultimately had their voting rights restored. The Bush administration left it up to each county to determine whether the deleted voters were indeed felons. Some counties, in turn, placed the onus on individuals to prove they had been mistakenly disenfranchised."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/flor-d13.shtml
It also turns out that many of the blacks whose names were mysteriously disqualified were not purged accidentally. As Gregory Palast reported in the internet magazine Salon.com, Republican officials hired ChoicePoint, an outside vendor with Republican ties, to cleanse the rolls of felons - but at least 8,000 names, disproportionately minority, were improperly deleted.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/121000-101.htm
I could go on and on. The fact is that the republicans fucked up bad. This is FACT. do some research and see for yourself.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 13:41:35 EDT (#)
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Loren - that question jumped ship from this post where you will find fact after fact: http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/message_get.cgi?message=1056479175914113686
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-06-26 13:41:18 EDT (#)
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Oh and let's not forget, Bush is responsible for the massive global warming epidemic. I bet he was around back during the Triassic Period, spraying aerosol cans gleefully, and screaming "Look at me, I'm causing Global Warming!" After all, the Earth was a lot warmer then than it is now. Plus, I'm betting Bush set off a massive nuclear device around the end of the Cretaceous, causing a massive ice age.
He is also responsible for the massive pollution in Houston, because he put all the oil refineries right there in that area and also rendered it impractical for masses of Houstonians to take public transit to work instead of individual transportation. Right. In fact, Texas' pollution problems have nothing to do with the fact that they're are so many chemical plants there, it's all UU's fault. Morons.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2003-06-26 13:28:57 EDT (#)
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Loren,
Only people FOR Bush in any way have to produce facts, people against don't have to because let's face it, he's a ruthless dictator whom NOBODY voted for, he's hell bent on taking your happiness away from you, and he stutters on occasion when reading pre-scripted speeches. As far as I'm concerned, the case is closed!
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-06-26 13:12:22 EDT (#)
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"What do you think of the FACT that thousands of black people were taken off the voting rosters"
ALABAMA - Why not back up your "fact" yourself? I'm honestly interested in seeing something valid about this...
Loren
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-26 11:56:32 EDT (#)
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basically, if I were a homosexual then yes. But as tiffany can tell you I am far from it!
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 11:46:00 EDT (#)
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So eric, he can give it to you and not me?
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-26 11:38:57 EDT (#)
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loki -
In a major victory for gay rights advocates, the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday struck down a Texas statute that bans gay couples — BUT NOT HETEROSEXUALS — from engaging in sodomy, ruling that the law was an unconstitutional violation of privacy
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-26 11:22:12 EDT (#)
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don't knock hitler man... He had dreams!
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2003-06-26 11:13:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I'll answer for her while she's taking her time looking up a real one for you. Here's my answer: no one cares. No one cares what you have to say, and for one simple reason: you bitching about something that happened 2 years ago isnt going to change the fact that it happened, nor is it going to change anyones opinion.... so with all due respect that you would give to someone youve never met... shoosh!
and while we're on the topic, what the hell happened with the whole hilter thing? did you know he was unfairly elected into office? CRY ME A RIVER!
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-26 11:05:29 EDT (#)
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she isn't doing any research. She is at work, she is an air traffic controller. So her job does not allow her to sit in front of a computer all day. Most day's she is lucky if she gets to check her email at work. Most of her uber'ing is done from my house. She won't be off untill 3, and I won't be home till 430 to let her in. I am sure once I get home she will be on ubersite typing her heart away!
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 10:49:21 EDT (#)
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Good news, the Supreme Court just struck down the Texas sodomy law. That means that we can all continue to take it up the ass by the Bush administration without fear of legal reprisal.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-06-26 10:49:19 EDT (#)
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probably scanning more USA today election posters. BTW, did you notice that there's a huge fault line on the map leading form texas straight up into canuck country?
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-26 10:30:14 EDT (#)
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I'll bet that, as we speak, Tiff is writing a twenty page essay answer to my question, research gleaned from thousands of pages of interviews, statistics, Supreme Court decisions, and the works of Voltair, Descartes, and Socrates.
I mean, why else would it be taking her so long to respond to my question?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-26 09:03:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
**"In my book, Bush is the real president, even though I wanted Gore. It does no good crying about it. You want a fair election, write Congress and lobby for the abolishment of the Electoral College."
I agree with you on this one. And I also think that we need a new voting system. The electoral College just isn't working any more. But until they come up with a better way we all must deal with it. **
Once again you miss the point, answer Alabama's question!
Submitted by HeavensWalls (user info) at 2003-06-26 04:10:08 EDT (#)
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I've got MORONS on my team...
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2003-06-26 01:49:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Fucking hell.
Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2003-06-26 01:18:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
uh, who cares?
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2003-06-26 00:55:44 EDT (#)
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You know that Übersite has gone down the shitter when:
1) Random Joe gives the appropriate, yet painfully obvious,rebuttal to a statement that doesn't deserve to be heard.
Submitted by funkthemonkey (user info) at 2003-06-26 00:01:51 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
population counts, not sq. miles. this is stupid to even use as arguement. look where the population is. the blue parts.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-25 23:24:40 EDT (#)
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"And I am looking into your question Alabama....don't worry I will find a good-resource answer for you."
Okay, good. But don't get your facts from some crap like FoxNews or Rush Limbaugh.
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-25 23:14:54 EDT (#)
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And I am looking into your question Alabama....don't worry I will find a good-resource answer for you.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-25 23:08:33 EDT (#)
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"In my book, Bush is the real president, even though I wanted Gore. It does no good crying about it. You want a fair election, write Congress and lobby for the abolishment of the Electoral College."
I agree with you on this one. And I also think that we need a new voting system. The electoral College just isn't working any more. But until they come up with a better way we all must deal with it.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-25 22:53:33 EDT (#)
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I just do not fucking believe this!! Somebody! Anybody! Answer the goddamned question! It's been brought up over and over and over and over and over again and not one single republican (or at least someone who thinks Bush fairly won) will answer it. They won't even acknowledge the question's existence!!
Here it is. Again.
What do you think of the FACT that thousands of black people were taken off the voting rosters because they MIGHT have been criminals, or their names and birthdays were SIMILAR to convicted criminals? I eagerly await an answer that is without invective or distraction.
I am going to bring this question back to the top of this thread forever and ever and ever until I get an answer. And if you don't like it, and you don't have the power to ban me, fuck you. Fuck you hardcore.
Submitted by TheMan (user info) at 2003-06-25 22:05:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I don't have time to read all the responses, so I'll just say this...
If you want a fair election, get rid of the electoral college. It's old, outdated, and it just plain doesn't work in today's world.
The popular vote should win. What difference does it make how many people live in what region? Judging by the popular vote is far more accurate and fair. It forces candidates to campaign to everyone, not just the larger states holding more electoral votes.
Excerpt from the Chicago Sun-Times
Monday, November 12, 2001
Gore Could have one with Statewide Recount
"Gore outpolled Bush by 540,000 votes nationwide, but the presidency is decided in the Electoral College. Each candidate desperaely needed Florida to win and, at the end of an agonizing election night, Bush held a slim lead. "Count all the votes" soon became a Democratic rallying cry; Gore's legal strategy, however, was to pursue a narrower recount.
At first, Gore's attorneys sought a hand recount of all 1.8 million ballots cast in four predominanatly Democratic counties. In the following weeks, his team argued for recounts in various other counties.
The Florida Supreme Court ordered a statewide recount of undervotes Dec. 8--seemingly a huge Gore victory. But it was stopped the next day by the U.S. Supreme Court and the legal action returned to state courts.
A pivotal moment came Nov. 26, when florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris--saying she was following state law--certified Bush the winner by 537 votes, accepting results from two of the four counties that had proceeded with Gore's recount request.
On Dec. 13, the closest presidential contest in decades finally ended 36 days after Election Day after a 5-4 vote by the U.S. Supreme Court that allowed Harris' certification to stand. gore accepted the verdict and, with that, Bush won florida's 25 electoral votes and the presidency.
Gore never did press in court for a full recount, and the strategy he followed to seek the undervotes alone statewide lokely would not have benefitted him. When the consortium tabulations tried to re-create the partial recounts Gore did pursue, those two scenarious kept Bush ahead."
In my book, Bush is the real president, even though I wanted Gore. It does no good crying about it. You want a fair election, write Congress and lobby for the abolishment of the Electoral College.
Otherwise, fuck off and find something worthwhile to do with your life, like cleaning my toilet.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2003-06-25 19:48:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
"as far as the rest of your firsts, for the most part, glam_daddy sometimes it's a good thing to be first at something."
unless the first thing you are doing is something fucking horrible like the huge list of things he did. which of these firsts is he supposed to be proud of exactly? care to cite one?
didnt think so...
*breathing*
Submitted by Sublimed (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:33:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
*Won, not one
Submitted by Sublimed (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:25:03 EDT (#)
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I'm the fucktard? You posted a picture that is supposed to prove Bush one fairly, now that is stupid. It doesnt even show population, shit head.
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:21:28 EDT (#)
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Man, I just love slamming my head against concrete.
Tifferistic, I'm going to ask you one question and one question alone. It will be a simple question, I hope. Ready? Here it is:
What do you think of the FACT that thousands of black people were taken off the voting rosters because they MIGHT have been criminals, or their names and birthdays were SIMILAR to convicted criminals? I eagerly await an answer that is without invective or distraction.
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:20:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sublimed (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:17:30 (#)
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Wow I didnt know elections depended on how many counties somebody won.......
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the population of New York City as of April 1, 2000, was 8,008,278, http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dcp/html/census/pop2000.html
Dallas population as of 2002- 3,743,254 http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/popm/pm1920.htm
Fort Wothr population as of 2002- 1,802,465 http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/popm/pm2800.htm
I think NYC has a higher population
You are now the 4th, I think it's been 4 now, that have said this. You are a fucktard!!! I have said many times now that the picture is just a picture. I know that someone doesn't win the election baised on how many counties they win over. It was just a fucking picture. Thanks again for mentioning this though.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by Sublimed (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:17:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Wow I didnt know elections depended on how many counties somebody won.......
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the population of New York City as of April 1, 2000, was 8,008,278, http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dcp/html/census/pop2000.html
Dallas population as of 2002- 3,743,254 http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/popm/pm1920.htm
Fort Wothr population as of 2002- 1,802,465 http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/popm/pm2800.htm
I think NYC has a higher population
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:14:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Ok so now that you all have had the chance to say what you want about my post I think it is time that I rank it again...
"lastly... i hear everyone bashing bush. and while i dont agree with everything he does, i wonder... if everyone hates him... why is he gonna get re-elected"
This is happening because people don't want to come to and realize that he DID win and is going to get re-elected cause the fucktard Demos don't have anyone that would come close to beating him.
"Seriously, Tiff, you's a Texas girl, ain't ya...?"
Fuck no I hate this damn fucking hot as shit state. Like EH said, it is still in the 80s in Dec and Jan and Feb.
"Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history..."
This is because Clinton didn't do anything to help out the prices while he was in office.
as far as the rest of your firsts, for the most part, glam_daddy sometimes it's a good thing to be first at something.
again I am not saying that I agree 100% with everthing that he has done. I never did nor will I ever agree with everything that someone says or thinks about. I have my own opinions and me liking Bush is one of them. I think Clinton was a horrible President and that Gore would have followed in his footsteps had Bush not WON!!.
And I think Manfre has got something going here. If you believe in evolution then you believe that the continents were once all together and then moved apart so why couldn't the seasons be changing.
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by marrow <marrow.at.hotmail.com> at 2003-06-25 18:09:01 EDT (#)
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>>I bought a USA today once. It took me eight minutes to get through, having taken the time to read >>and comprehend every single article.
Why'd you read it twice?
Submitted by dasteve (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:07:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
*mormon
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:07:22 EDT (#)
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I'm curious as to why rural areas are more conservative than urban areas. They get screwed just as much by ultraconservatives as anybody else.
By the way, I expect fair, accurate, and balanced news from the USA today as much as I expect it from FoxNews.
I bought a USA today once. It took me eight minutes to get through, having taken the time to read and comprehend every single article.
Submitted by dasteve (user info) at 2003-06-25 18:07:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Wow, Bush won every single county in Utah (the moron state).
Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-06-25 18:01:55 EDT (#)
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Global warming exists in the sense that yes temperatures on the rise, but what people fail to realize is that climates (and the ozone as well) go through cycles and periodic replenishments. But it doesn't matter because the world will be under water 50 years from now, right? Yeah.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-06-25 17:59:09 EDT (#)
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More people in NYC than 17 Western states won by Bush? Right - NYC alone has more people than Dallas-Fort Worth. Oh. Wait. I guess that idiotic statement got shot to shit.
Submitted by hidden101 at 2003-06-25 17:41:03 EDT (#)
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loki, why do you terrorize the animals like that?
W is living the American Dream, you're just jelly-ous....
Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2003-06-25 17:30:00 EDT (#)
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Nice, glam_daddy.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-25 17:07:21 EDT (#)
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breathe Glam breathe
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:51:24 EDT (#)
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tiff is not a texas girl...Thanks loren. Tiff lives in texas with me for the time being, but she is definately not a texas girl. She hates texas, she hates the spurs.
And as for the comment about 70 degree winters, come down to texas... I saw a few day's in dec/jan where it was close to the 80's. I could have walked around most of the winter with shorts!
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:48:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
TiFF
read this you ignorant sheep:
George W. Bush Resume
Accomplishments:
* Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and
made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
* Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.
* Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
* Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
* Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000
votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments as president:
* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
* Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls & focus groups than any president in US history
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign
nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References:
* At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
* AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
* Refused to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
* All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
* All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
* All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
* Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.
* For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James
Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for
war-profiteering.)
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:41:48 EDT (#)
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http://www.climatehotmap.org/
Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:38:12 EDT (#)
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"Global warming, at least in terms of the level of environmental threat it's made out to have, IS a myth."
Let's hear it.
Submitted by dakota (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:31:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You are definitly talking out of your ass
Yes seasons change and the temperature differences right now may have nothing to do with global warming (well they do but for the sake of arguing I'll entertain the possibility that they don't)
There is however proof that the Ozone is being destroyed at alarming rates and do you people honestly think that all the pollution realeased by cars and factories is some how not effecting the enviroment in any way?
Now dont get me wrong, I don't give a shit if the enviroment goes to hell in 50 years, which it will at this rate, cause it's going to be your kids and grandchildren dying, personally I don't like kids. But don't sit there and tell me that global warming isnt real and that Bush has any care in the world for the enviroment
Submitted by Manfre (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:22:55 EDT (#)
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I dunno when its roughly 70 degrees in December Id call it global warming...
Id also call it global cooling when its 50 degrees in June...
But then again noone ever thought of the possibility that the seasons are changing? That in a few thousand more years that December will be as hot as June is now?
Im pretty sure we arent completely accurate in the revolution of the earth when we say it takes 365.25 days to make it around the sun and 24 hours to revolve a day... Those seconds have to be going somewhere... I believe that eventually (Im talkin thousands of years) summer time will be in the fall then in the winter then in the summer again... Itll take a long ass time but its gonna happen... Just look how long it sometimes takes for warm weather hit in the summer... Same with the winter. It seems like it take a lil longer for it to get cold in the spring and winter...
Its just a thought... Maybe Im talking out my ass...
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:16:01 EDT (#)
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**Global warming, at least in terms of the level of environemtnal threat it's made out to have, IS a myth.**
explain yourself
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:10:20 EDT (#)
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"There's more people in NYC than there is in the 17 fucking western states that Bush won."
Grow up already.
"*Bush is gutting all of the environmental protection laws, and is allowing the speeding up processes that cause global warming.
The rebuttal is that global warming is a myth."
Global warming, at least in terms of the level of environemtnal threat it's made out to have, IS a myth.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-25 16:09:08 EDT (#)
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Oh god no, is she really in Texas? Shit I'm in NC and I know more about Texas politics than you do. It's called a paper, sometimes if you pay for a subscription a nice man will throw one on the lawn each day. This will clear up most of what ails you:
1. get ready for work
2. make coffee and put bagel into toaster or otherwise begin breakfast preparation process
3. walk out to lawn
4. pick up paper
5. put coffee into coffee mug and breakfast food item onto plate
6. carry coffee, food, and paper to the table
7. open paper and skim headlines whilst drinking coffee and eating breakfast food item
8. when interesting headline catches your eye, read little black words directly under said headline
then come back here and try this again
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:58:31 EDT (#)
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Tiff's prefers Bush. Ahhhhhahahaha
Seriously, Tiff, you's a Texas girl, ain't ya...?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:56:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
**i just wanted to say that im sick and tired of people saying bush "stole the election". he won. you know the rules and he won by all the rules in the book. if you DONT know how the electoral college and such all work, then find out or shut up. stop trying to start shit about things you know nothing about.**
Once again fucktard dubbya did not WIN the election unless these "rules" of which you speak include voter intimidation and outright fraud. It had jack shit to do with hanging chads or the electoral college. I have YET to see one solid shred of evidence to dispute my claims on this post: http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/message_get.cgi?message=1056479175914113686
and Tiff, I said "documented facts from a reliable news source" not Bush family propaganda.
Anyone want to explain to me why they had this cut from the EPA's report on greenhouse gas report: "Climate change has global consequences for human health and the environment."
Here is an example of a "reliable news source" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/19/tech/main559380.shtml
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:43:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
i just wanted to say that im sick and tired of people saying bush "stole the election". he won. you know the rules and he won by all the rules in the book. if you DONT know how the electoral college and such all work, then find out or shut up. stop trying to start shit about things you know nothing about.
also also, someone commented about 5 million posts ago about bush killing sooo many more people than clinton... maybe it was cuz clinton was a pussy and wouldnt start a war for any reason cuz it would make some people in the country upset.
lastly... i hear everyone bashing bush. and while i dont agree with everything he does, i wonder... if everyone hates him... why is he gonna get re-elected?
Submitted by Alabama (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:36:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
And around and around and around it goes, where it stops, who the fuck knows?
*As usual, an overwhelming array of documentation (or at the very least, a Noah's flood of circumstantial, but true, evidence) is shown that the 2000 election was fraudulent.
The rebuttal is that old people in Florida are stupid.
*Weapons of mass destruction are never found
The rebuttal is that the war was never about weapons of mass destruction.
*A comprehensive list of quotes from the Bush administration proving otherwise is immediately provided.
The rebuttal is that liberals are pro-Saddam, pro-dictatorship, and pro-tyrrany.
*Americans express alarm at the clear and rapid evaporation of civil liberties.
What are you talking about? They didn't say anything about that on CNN.
*Americans express alarm at the consolidation of the nation's media.
What are you talking about? They didn't say anything about that on CNN.
*Bush is gutting all of the environmental protection laws, and is allowing the speeding up processes that cause global warming.
The rebuttal is that global warming is a myth.
*Americans express alarm that the tax cuts favor only the richest 1%.
That's class warfare.
*The tax cuts have annihilated a stunning array of social services.
Well, we aren't commies, are we? Besides, who wants to be a welfare state?
*Conservative are reminded that the U.S. is one of the largest welfare states of all the industrialized nations for major corporations (think tax cuts, bailouts, and pork).
The rebuttal is that they provide jobs.
*But every year, more factories are being moved to sweatshops in countries with absolutely no labor protection laws.
The rebuttal is that at least we're providing those workers with jobs.
*Bush snorted cocaine, lied about it, and increased the severity of punishments for drug use. He also lied about his previous problem with alcohol.
The rebuttal is that that's personal and besides, he was a kid. Cut him some slack.
*He was thirty years old!!!
Well, at least he wasn't a pot-smoking draft dodger like Clinton.
*Bush dodged the Viet Nam draft and went AWOL from the Air National Guard.
(Uh, I haven't heard a rebuttal for this one).
*Bush is clearly a moron and semi-illiterate.
That's what you think. He's just pretending to be a total fucktard so that you keep underestimating him. He's a genious.
*For all his deception, cronyism, destruction of the constitution, and contempt for the environment, Bush should be impeached.
The rebuttal is that this is providing aid and comfort to the enemy.
So...tired.
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:20:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
DAMNIT WOMEN WHY THE HELL ARENT YOU HERE WITH MY GOD DAMN STARBUCKS!
you get a -2 for not getting off ubersite and going to starbucks
Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:11:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I guess if you leave out bothersome things like 'reason', 'common sense' and 'logic', Bush is indeed a superb president, while Clinton did absolutely nothing and we can be sure Gore wouldn't have either.
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:10:31 EDT (#)
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EH-> Bush has giving you not one but multiple raises since he has been in office. We are going to get another one in January and then again for the next couple years. They are also working on making BAH enough for everyone so that there is no more bills to pay for out-of-pocket. Thanks Bush. Thanks for taking care of the military.
* Tax cuts for the rich (I think everyone should be taxed equally.)
* Abortion (It's your choice, I wouldn't do it, but I'm not going to force that
upon someone else. There are many reasons why people have abortions.)
* Prayer in schools (I don't see anything wrong with this. If you don't want to the don't.)
* Gun control (Just as long as you don't go around killing people I don't see a problem.)
* Homosexuality (Don't come on to me and theres nothing to worry about. Marry whoever you want and be happy. You only live once.)
*<Tiff>*
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:04:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
she isn't going to respond to anything, I sent her off to starbucks to get me a grande white chocolate mocha :)
- Bart, just curious if hidden came to chicago to hang out with you. You wouldn't let him play with the ubersite server(s)... would you?
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2003-06-25 15:01:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Haha... typo. Ashcroft didn't actually lose the dead man, he lost TO the dead man (ie. "in an election").
Trying to toggle my brain between work and English is difficult sometimes.
Submitted by turveytopsy (user info) at 2003-06-25 14:54:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Oh in other news the Fed cut "The Rate" by another .25%
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2003-06-25 14:54:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
"You're a close minded right winger who marches in step with everything the republican party says, who dismisses the opinions of anyone but themselves. "
Damn, Razor beat me to it.
Tifferistic, let me ask you your opinions on some other matters:
* Tax cuts for the rich
* Abortion
* Prayer in schools
* Gun control
* Homosexuality
I bet I already know the answers...
As for your argument about how Gore would be president if he won the election... John Ashcroft lost a fucking DEAD MAN in Missouri, and now he's the top ranking lawyer in the country. How does that FACT work into your little theory?
Submitted by EH (user info) at 2003-06-25 14:36:32 EDT (#)
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I don't know of too many things the president has actually done for our country. He made a few widdows, he took many lifes with the whole afganistan war, and iraqi war. He may have helped other countries out a hell of a lot. I know he is doing a damn good job at pissing money away into other countries that could have been poured into our national debt... which would have went to other countries anyway but still. Its the point of it! I don't know. I think bush is a moron!
Submitted by turveytopsy (user info) at 2003-06-25 14:23:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
It really is amazing that a majority of topics on that list have less to do with Bush's leadership and more to do with the problems he has been faced with:
1)Corporate Scandal
2)Terrorist Attacks on a previously unheard of scale
3)A faltering economy and the 'Big Pop'
4)Campaign Reform (Had to change, and soon!)
Submitted by Tifferistic (user info) at 2003-06-25 14:17:12 EDT (#)
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Here Loki...want something to read
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021126-3.html
*<Tiff>*
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