Support the troops? Shouldn't they be supporting us? (2683 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2005-07-16 13:36:19 EDT
"Anyone dumb enough to want to be in the military should be allowed in." - Bill Hicks
I, unlike most of my uber-compadres, do not possess any particular admiration or respect for soldiers. To me, you're no more deserving of my respect, nor do you serve any more societal importance, than the mechanic who fixes my car, or the gay flower salesman who solves my Mother's Day shopping dilemma.
Just because people shoot at you when you go to work tells me that somewhere along the line you've probably made a bad career choice. Why that should be rejoiced and applauded, I have no fucking idea, but the nation seems to be wallowing in it like a bunch of happy hogs, so enjoy that while it lasts.
I suppose it's unfair to throw all this animosity toward you, seeing as you didn't really ask for it, but the way I see it, our leaders have put you and your buddies on the recieving end of a good ass-fucking.
You're a pawn in the game because you're poor and stupid - neither of these is necessarily your fault, but you still have a choice in the matter...GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE MILITARY!
Not that I hope you get shot or anything... I don't hate you, I just don't see how anyone can sell their ass and soul to this propaganda machine that is the United States Military and expect anything more but to be thrown in the middle of a fucking quagmire in some third world country.
The thing I really don't get is all this "Support the Troops" brouhaha and hubbub. It's fucking nonsense, and it pisses me off! If there was a REAL threat to this country, if someone was coming HERE to my backyard to attack me or my family or even my country, you'd better believe I'd be on the fucking front lines with war paint and M-16. You wouldn't even have to ask! That's because I am NOT a mercenary; I am defending my home.
But the problem lies with the fact that we haven't had a war on our own soil since that Civil one. Sure, maybe you could argue a case for Pearl Harbor, but still, that was over 60 years and 4 major wars ago. What's happened since then in almost every instance are cases where the US is simply poking it's nose where it doesn't really belong, putting our soldiers in harm's way, and pissing off new generations of potential terrorists.
I guess we should be proud though, it's all done in the name of freedom...and besides, it's not as if the Supreme Court is going to start ruling in favor of eminent domain for corporations or anything like that any time soon, right? It's not as if all the freedoms our leaders claim to be fighting for in IraqIt's not as if we're turning into a monopoly-controlled state with a puppet for a President, right? The REAL fight is really somewhere else, right? This is the ONLY country on the face of the earth with any resemblance of true freedom, right?
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-09-02 01:17:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JHoersten2 (user info) at 2005-08-28 17:47:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by resignator (user info) at 2005-07-28 16:53:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Gdoub (user info) at 2005-07-23 16:24:14 (#)
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Hey fag, got news for you, you would have no right to even write shit like this unless the troops made the sacrifice to defend your rights. So get your head out of your ass or move to north korea.
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Man you are SOOO right. I can't wait till people cannot express dissenting opinions inside the US anymore. Love it or get the fuck out. *cough*
I dont even consider people that retort with this "love it or leave it" bullshit real Americans. They obviously have no idea what "freedom of expression" means and will gladly turn in every single freedom know to mankind for a promise of "security". Fucking pussies.
Submitted by IWasRaped (user info) at 2005-07-28 16:18:23 EDT (#)
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While making valid, thought out points, there is also some complete inherent stupidity on your part. Do you really think every or even a vast majority of soldiers were born poor and stupid? Generalizations like this keep you in the dark; I guess it would be akin to saying EVERYONE from Kentucky fucks their little sister. SilvrWolf brings about a very good arguement, although not as drastic as the choices a soldier makes, try convincing yourself you're not another cog in the machine of the American Dream. You're no more of a free thinker than these soldiers, you're not independent, you're one of us, a middle class Caucasian suburbanite who thinks that the world is theirs for the taking.
You don't have to like them, you don't have to respect them, you do have to recognize their efforts. To say they don't provide us with freedom is absolutely ludicrous.
"If there was a REAL threat to this country, if someone was coming HERE to my backyard to attack me or my family or even my country, you'd better believe I'd be on the fucking front lines with war paint and M-16."
How long do you think Pawpaw's ole shootin' stick will last against a well-trained, well-armed, well-provisioned militaristic force, especially one with the intelligence and, more importantly, the proficiency to use nuclear warfare?
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2005-07-25 18:41:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2005-07-25 18:26:23 EDT (#)
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HOLY FUCK ALMIGHTY I AGREE
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Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2005-07-23 16:44:45 EDT (#)
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Though I think your opinion is wrong on it's face, I think I get a BIT of what you're getting at. I know that I refuse to be a "summer soldier or a sunshine patriot" (Thomas Paine).
I'm not putting fucking flag stickers or ribbon stickers or any other shit on the back of my car to show I'm a "patriot". I AM a veteran and I don't need to respond to any knee jerk action and marketing ploy to "prove" to anyone that I'm a "true American".
Yeah, I support the troops, but for my own reasons.
Submitted by Gdoub (user info) at 2005-07-23 16:24:14 EDT (#)
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Hey fag, got news for you, you would have no right to even write shit like this unless the troops made the sacrifice to defend your rights. So get your head out of your ass or move to north korea.
Submitted by darkspoon (user info) at 2005-07-23 16:16:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Vulva (user info) at 2005-07-22 00:08:49 EDT (#)
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I would like to stand on your head with both feet, for leverage, while I rip the organs out of your body through your mouth. But that is only because I am a "stupid" military guy!
Come to think of it, I would actually rather challenge you to an academic competition and beat you down with intellect...just before I disrupt your homeostasis in the aforementioned fashion!
You are nothing more than fucking clown shoes....you have made a true, not internet, enemy! Congratulations
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2005-07-21 02:34:55 EDT (#)
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I watched Fahrenheit 9/11, and genuinely believe that the military is generally composed of people who have no better career options available to them, and in my opinion it's sad. We shouldn't populate the front lines with people who had no other choice. However, I don't think that makes a soldier stupid --- even if the war is unjust, it takes some amount of character to accept the choice of becoming a soldier, when you can also become a drug dealer, or a McDonalds cashier.
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2005-07-20 20:49:00 EDT (#)
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Do you need attention this bad you have to post crap like this? Thats sad.
Submitted by Supreme_Overlord (user info) at 2005-07-20 20:27:21 EDT (#)
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You think we put up with the shit we do because they pay us really well? I'm afraid not.
Just because people shoot at you when you go to work tells me that somewhere along the line you've probably made a bad career choice.
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You do it for the rush? Nothing like bringing hell to the heathens. Honor and glory. Novus Ordo Seclorum.
Submitted by Supreme_Overlord (user info) at 2005-07-20 20:24:29 EDT (#)
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jismiss: Joining the military because your poor is called the POVERTRY DRAFT.
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I don't own any poor? And if I did I'd give them a much better name than that.
I think if your education has you writing like that than the military is a very good option for you.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-07-20 16:56:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-07-20 11:55:34 EDT (#)
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Typical "bitch about the problem and offer no solution" post.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2005-07-19 19:40:31 EDT (#)
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Joining the military because your poor is called the POVERTRY DRAFT.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2005-07-19 19:38:49 EDT (#)
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You're a pawn in the game because you're poor and stupid - neither of these is necessarily your fault, but you still have a choice in the matter..
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That describles 90+ percent of the population.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2005-07-19 19:38:05 EDT (#)
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die
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2005-07-19 19:14:18 EDT (#)
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ETS, don't act all high and mighty with me, you bitter little fuck. I'm not coming in here claiming superiority, saying you're a traitor, or calling you a cock sucker or any other unoriginal name that these angry people come up with. I simply stated that you made sweeping generalizations about why people join the military. The thing is, you're simply wrong, or at least wrong in my case, and that's the problem. You're stereotyping all military members and not only is it unfair, it is also just plain ignorant. This is the equivalent to an "I hate niggers" post.
It's obvious that you're an ungrateful, pompous person, but you have every right to be. You just don't have to be so vocal about it. Let's be honest, the only point of your little diatribe here was to cause conflict and start an argument. Congratulations: Mission Accomplished.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-19 18:33:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2005-07-19 18:13:47 (#)
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I joined the Navy because I was poor and stupid?
Hmm. That's news to me. I thought I joined because I wanted to see the world, go to college for free, and get all sorts of perks.
I guess I was wrong...
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Read the reviews. You've just proven my point. Thank you.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2005-07-19 18:13:47 EDT (#)
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I joined the Navy because I was poor and stupid?
Hmm. That's news to me. I thought I joined because I wanted to see the world, go to college for free, and get all sorts of perks.
I guess I was wrong...
Submitted by Mario (user info) at 2005-07-19 09:34:10 EDT (#)
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One more thing, your title...
We are supporting you. You think we put up with the shit we do because they pay us really well? I'm afraid not. Be glad not everyone is like you.
Submitted by Mario (user info) at 2005-07-19 09:31:40 EDT (#)
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Sure, you could say all that. What is it that you do again? You write whiney songs that for the most part are shite. Criticize the profession, but don't criticize the people. I hope someday you do get a job where you aren't bored out of your mind pretending to work, staring at a computer monitor and the clock alternatively and lying to yourself that you do in fact contribute something to society. I hope you someday find a woman who is willing to let you touch her and actually is your equal, and not somebody you're with because you can't do better.
See, I made assumptions about you. Not substantiated by anything, but not unlikely seeing how you've turned out. Not nice is it? Grow up. Get some balls, stop being a whingy loser, and command some respect. Kill that angry little boy, no one likes you.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-19 03:44:43 EDT (#)
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Serve and then speak.
As Vulva said, don't you ever ever say you understand a soldier's mind again.
Submitted by Supreme_Overlord (user info) at 2005-07-18 23:03:04 EDT (#)
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America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it's the dream that we all share; it's the hope for tomorrow
FUCK YEAH!
McDonalds, FUCK YEAH!
Wal-Mart, FUCK YEAH!
The Gap, FUCK YEAH!
Baseball, FUCK YEAH!
NFL, FUCK, YEAH!
Rock and roll, FUCK YEAH!
The Internet, FUCK YEAH!
Slavery, FUCK YEAH!
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Starbucks, FUCK YEAH!
Disney world, FUCK YEAH!
Porno, FUCK YEAH!
Valium, FUCK YEAH!
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Las Vegas, FUCK YEAH!
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Immigrants, FUCK YEAH!
Popeye, FUCK YEAH!
Demarcates, FUCK YEAH!
Republicans (republicans)
(fuck yeah, fuck yeah)
Sportsmanship
Books
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-07-18 21:51:07 EDT (#)
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I'd -2 this because i disagree with everything you said...but the following phrase makes me give you a 0:
"Just because people shoot at you when you go to work tells me that somewhere along the line you've probably made a bad career choice."
That was fucking hilarious.
Submitted by Robert_of_Duluth (user info) at 2005-07-18 13:53:56 EDT (#)
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somebody has to do it
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-07-18 12:03:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 14:49:37 (#)
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Not exercising your free will to say, "fuck you, you can send me jail if you want, but I refuse to participate in your genocide and cultural takeover so the NASDAQ and DOW can soar to new heights.
Your own blood and self-respect should be worth more than that to you.
Just my opinion. And I've stood by it, and will continue to stand by it.
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genocide?
Apparently your opinion is formed in complete ignorance, and/or stupidity. Please learn what genocide means before you pollute Uber with anymore of your worthless opinions.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-07-18 11:30:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-07-18 11:08:56 (#)
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Just because people shoot at you when you go to work tells me that somewhere along the line you've probably made a bad career choice. Why that should be rejoiced and applauded, I have no fucking idea, but the nation seems to be wallowing in it like a bunch of happy hogs, so enjoy that while it lasts.
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I guess that goes for cops as well.
And any civil service job in the inner city, like firemen and paramedics.
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That's true, although there is a certain difference between the approach of their actions. See, Policemen, Firemen and Ambulancemen (as well as their fantastically dressed female counterparts) are all there to protect and serve the people in a rather direct fashion. The intention of the Army is to serve and protect in a more indirect fashion. Not a big difference, I'll grant you but an important one.
I guess what I'm hinting at is that the actions of the armed forces are far more open for abuse as they are less transparent than the actions of the civil authorities. Ironically the conduct of soldiers could be a lot more ethical than the civil forces but they would (and I believe should) be viewed with considerably more suspicion.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-07-18 11:23:04 EDT (#)
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This is so true. The other day I was heading to Tesco to pick up some milk. Goddamn Charlie started up from the treeline and I was calling out for Arty support but ringo couldn't cut through the static. We left him trying the hotel romeo whilst Cannard, Bannard, Spaniard and me humped over to Leonard's Alpha, Charlie, Zero. By the time we where in there it was a real shitstorm, the damn gooks had penetrated through to frozen meat and we where pinned down behind a stack of Stella Artois. There was Claret everywhere man...
Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2005-07-18 11:14:21 EDT (#)
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I think a man or woman who willfully puts his life on the line for something that does not necessarily furthers his own goals deserves at least a little respect.. but that's a matter of opinion. The whole 'you should respect them because they are fighting for your defense/freedom etc' really complicates the issue because there are so many conflicting political views about the war on terrorism.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-07-18 11:08:56 EDT (#)
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Just because people shoot at you when you go to work tells me that somewhere along the line you've probably made a bad career choice. Why that should be rejoiced and applauded, I have no fucking idea, but the nation seems to be wallowing in it like a bunch of happy hogs, so enjoy that while it lasts.
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I guess that goes for cops as well.
And any civil service job in the inner city, like firemen and paramedics.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-07-18 11:08:44 EDT (#)
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Honestly, I'm against the war as much as anyone else, but taking it out on the soldiers is just pathetic. It's people like you and Jane Fonda that promote this distorted stereotype of liberalism.
Submitted by alragusa (user info) at 2005-07-18 11:00:01 EDT (#)
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ETS - where do you live? I would assume somewhere out of the line of fire because you sound like an idiot.
Point 1 - You don't support the military any more than a mechanic. This is disgusting. Any career that requires you to carry an AK-47 and get shot at deserves respect. ESPECIALLY when they are acting to PREVENT terrorism in this country. [More in Point 4.]
Point 2 - You speak of perks. This may very well be true, but the armed forces are hired killers and when you are the number 1 nation on Earth, you are a target and an army of trained killers is important to have and keep.
Point 3 - Keeping our troops on US shores doesn't make a lick of sense!!! We live in an increasingly smaller world and in case you don't understand the Bush policy, it is one of PREVENTION. Hence, we need to PREVENT an attack on our shores. This is not an enemy which will attack us you DOLT! Damn, are you alive? Hey blow up buses and cafes. They won't come on our shores like D-Day with guns blazing so that you can defend your home. They don't wear uniforms. We need to find them where they live/preach and that means the mid-east.
Point 4 - The terrorists are here. No shit, Sherlock! BUT, where were they born, raised, educated, equipped, financed?? That's right genius - Iran/Syria/Crapistan. We should have been fighting these cockroaches for decades (remember the hostage situation in 1980 and the attack on the US Cole?) and it will continue until it is at an acceptable level - meaning citizens feel 100% safe. That is the job of the troops, who deserve our utmost respect for putting their lives on the line to do it.
-2 Die.
Submitted by Vulva (user info) at 2005-07-18 10:43:55 EDT (#)
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BTW, you music sucks too!
Submitted by Vulva (user info) at 2005-07-18 10:40:54 EDT (#)
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And for the record, "Mr. I am no better than the goth kids at the mall," feeling obligated to attract attention to yourself with an abstract opinion is weak. Weak like you and your soul, you pussy.
I am not from a poor family, and I am educated and still served. Not cause I have a hard on for uncle sam, because I wanted to...and unlike you, not afraid to give back. You talk about the government pulling a fast one and lying constantly to it's citizens, then believe everything the MEDIA feeds you about this war.
Again, fuck you and DIE soon, please.
Submitted by Vulva (user info) at 2005-07-18 10:35:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:14:03 (#)
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Maddog, I understand a soldier's point of view.
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NO YOU DON'T YOU MOTHERFUCKER!! DON'T YOU EVER SAY THOSE WORDS AGAIN, EVER. YOU UNDERSTAND NOTHING ABOUT A SOLDIER.
Submitted by Vulva (user info) at 2005-07-18 10:30:55 EDT (#)
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My opinion:
Spoken like a true pussy. Go play your guitar and save the world through music Bono. Remember when terrorism/communism comes knocking, a 6 string is your best defense.
You should be thankful there are people like us out there so this country doesn't have to rely on people like you. Otherwise, we would speak German.
My advice:
-2 DIE you ungrateful heathen...
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2005-07-18 10:07:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-07-18 10:02:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-18 06:28:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2005-07-18 06:08:34 (#)
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I harbor no ill will, nor misguided respect for soldiers. They are just another person. I know plenty of people who joined the miliatary. They went because the benefits of doing so are incredible, despite comments to the contrary. Factor in a free college education, no rent, no food costs, a signup bonus, free on job training, AND wages -- I don't have exact numbers, but I would bet a 4 year enlistment is work over 200k. 50k a year, and putting yourself in a position to get another career making great money. It's about the perks, and you guys saying the perks aren't that hot are either confused, or unaware.
Bottom line, these people are not magically any better or worse than me. They are still just people. These particular people chose a different means to the same end, and sadly they were sent somewhere to die because of that choice.
I think this is the first, and likely last +2 I will ever give ETS.
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Wait a sec... are you talking about the US army? American soldiers get shit for pay and benefits.
Nothing like our 6 bob a day tourists.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2005-07-18 06:08:34 EDT (#)
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I harbor no ill will, nor misguided respect for soldiers. They are just another person. I know plenty of people who joined the miliatary. They went because the benefits of doing so are incredible, despite comments to the contrary. Factor in a free college education, no rent, no food costs, a signup bonus, free on job training, AND wages -- I don't have exact numbers, but I would bet a 4 year enlistment is work over 200k. 50k a year, and putting yourself in a position to get another career making great money. It's about the perks, and you guys saying the perks aren't that hot are either confused, or unaware.
Bottom line, these people are not magically any better or worse than me. They are still just people. These particular people chose a different means to the same end, and sadly they were sent somewhere to die because of that choice.
I think this is the first, and likely last +2 I will ever give ETS.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-18 04:59:53 EDT (#)
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The army is a tool of the government. A democratic government is a tool of the people.
Although politics and corporate handouts often taint democracy, it is actually the people that elected the fella who sent the soldiers to die in Iraq. Then the people reelcted the same fucker.
So let me get this straight:
You (as a member of the people) elect a government that sends soldiers to their deaths, you decide it was a bad decision, and think the soldiers (in the line of fire, misused tools of government oppression) don't need support? They're the ones who need support the most.
Submitted by IWasRaped (user info) at 2005-07-18 04:41:57 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/37702
And tell me what prestigious, Ivy league school you were recruited into to work tech support at a call center?
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2005-07-18 02:51:10 EDT (#)
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I'm glad that there are people willing to fight wars for our country, but in regards to whether or not those wars are truly "preserving freedom", that is left to the motivations of the politicians.
The military carries out the orders of the politicians in charge, so if you believe the politicians are acting to "preserve freedom", then the military is an extension of that.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-18 02:24:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Lunch_Pail (user info) at 2005-07-17 23:40:32 (#)
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Youre a fucking idiot. Without soldiers you would have no freedom to post garbage like this.
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You're making the rest of us who realised this was shit look bad.
Submitted by jack0173 (user info) at 2005-07-18 02:06:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Lunch_Pail (user info) at 2005-07-17 23:40:32 EDT (#)
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Youre a fucking idiot. Without soldiers you would have no freedom to post garbage like this.
Submitted by asaofounder (user info) at 2005-07-17 22:26:46 EDT (#)
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It seems to me that you have not completly thought through anything that you have writen. Attakcs on our way of life happens all the time. Some you don't know about and others you just choose to ignore. Let's take your idea of having all the troops stay in the US and guard our borders. So we will have them in our airports, train stations, and border crossings. I am sure alot of people will really want to come to our country if as soon as they get across the border they have someone with an M-16 pointed at them. I am sure that it will make everyone here feal so much safer. We can also have the military patroling the streets of every town. I am sure everyone would rather have the military than the cops enfrocing our laws. Now what about everything that is happening in the rest of the world the last time we ignored everyone else we got attacked and hundreds of people died. Then we had to get involved in something we could have helped stop alot sooner. But your intitled to your opinion and that is why I am in the military so you can have the right to have your opinion no matter how stupid it may be.
Submitted by spacemanor (user info) at 2005-07-17 22:13:38 EDT (#)
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damn your f'n right. I'll go put in my 2 week notice right away. thanks so much
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-07-17 19:57:34 EDT (#)
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Do you even know how much money a soldier makes over the 3-4years of his service? Not exactly a perk.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 19:37:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CommonSense (user info) at 2005-07-17 19:01:10 (#)
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It's amazing that the men and women that have fought and died throughout our history, which gives the right to ppl like this guy to say such horrible things. I strongly suggest if you call your self an American, than you would actually appercaite the gifts of our constitiution.
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What horrible things have I said? Enlighten me.
You don't get it, do you? The military doesn't GIVE me freedom. They might protect that freedom IF it's under attack from an outside force, but you tell me what army is invading our soil threatening my freedom right now... That's right, there isn't one.
Now, I know you'll argue that the terrorists who seek to destroy our way of life, etc, are attacking our freedom, and the soldiers in Iraq right now are fighting that terrorism, but I have to ask: why go to Iraq to fight it?
Terrorists are only a threat to us if they make it onto our soil. It seems to me that, for my tax dollars, our soldiers would better serve us if they were HERE guarding our borders, our airports, or our mass transit systems, for instance, instead of invading a foreign land, essentially pissing off a whole new generation of potential terrorists.
Why that doesn't make sense to you people is a perfect fucking example why Americans are blinded by their loyalty to traditional viewpoints and blind nationalism.
Submitted by CommonSense (user info) at 2005-07-17 19:01:10 EDT (#)
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It's amazing that the men and women that have fought and died throughout our history, which gives the right to ppl like this guy to say such horrible things. I strongly suggest if you call your self an American, than you would actually appercaite the gifts of our constitiution.
Submitted by shadowofthedivine (user info) at 2005-07-17 18:59:00 EDT (#)
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strangely enough , the japanese got a bomber with a single bomb over mainland usa
during ww2, when he was shot down, he became the only japanese person to land in the
US during the war
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 17:02:51 EDT (#)
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Jack,
You fucking idiot. Of course I wasn't referring to war as being a perk of the trade. Although you do make a decent point in that some people go into the military because they think they are truly fighting for 'freedom'....or because it makes their grandpappy or whoever so goddamn PROUD that their boy is fightin' for his country.
The perks I was referring to, that you know very well, are the ones that allow someone on the job training, free college education, SIGN ON BONUS, fair wages (in comparison to the minimum wage jobs that might otherwise be their only option), and because of the honor system in this country, an easier time getting a job when they get out in the real world.
Don't hand me this shit about them recieving no fucking perks. You know as well as I do that if it didn't vastly increase signups, the military wouldn't do it at all. What does that tell you about your soldier's motivations on the whole?
You really should think, you know, before you open you mouth.
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BillSBChamps,
I will repeat myself AGAIN....
I don't HATE the soldiers, I just don't worship them like they're the fucking guardians of my freedom when my freedom is being fucking eroded.
You people really are fucking closed-minded aren't you? It's easier for you to dismiss me as trying to be edgy and trying to get attention than it is to consider what I'm saying.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-17 16:31:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 15:02:23 (#)
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Jack, I am sick and tired of all this 'they fight for our freedom, our way of life, their friends, their families, and their country' crap. Honestly. Although those might be legitimate secondary reasons that are thought up and realized after the fact to rationalize their current state of affairs, (aka: the ugly reality of being in a war that makes little sense), every soldier's initial motive for getting into the military is, you guessed it, money and career opportunity. Without all the perks the military gives the new recruits, most, if not all, of them would'nt be there.
PERKS?!?!?!?!?
Somebody call Guinness about this world-record dumbass!
Guantanamo Bay. Showers. Air conditioning. VERY nice menu selections.
Iraq. Dirt, dust, bullets and bombs.
I suppose you are one of those wiseacres who thinks police, firefighters and paramedics get too many 'perks' as well?
Let me see, for example, a list of PERKS received by the US military that outweighs the list of Government sponsered perks available to that average college student.
Submitted by BillsSBChamps (user info) at 2005-07-17 16:29:44 EDT (#)
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*yawn*
You're are all like edgy and cool cause you hate the troops.
Submitted by strider (user info) at 2005-07-17 16:13:29 EDT (#)
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meno due! μείον δύο! minus twee! minus zwei! menos dos! sans deux! YaY for ignorance on your part!
Submitted by Supreme_Overlord (user info) at 2005-07-17 15:46:22 EDT (#)
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It's funny to see the rednecks responses to this one:
"Dems soldiers protectin my whiskey.... jigga-boo."
I got an idea conservatives! Why don't you quit prancin' around with your wishy-washy conservative half-liberal agenda, and go hardcore conservative? We need a king, right? And nobles! Hell yeah, screw public education. Why don't we only apply the Constitutional rights to a segment of the population? How about redefining citizen as white male landowner? Let's take this country back to the golden era, you know, the one that exists in the legends of Greece. And who needs science? Or, reason?
Remember, anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is a traitor hippie liberal and shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 15:03:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Hotpocket4you (user info) at 2005-07-17 13:48:59 (#)
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Your wrong on so many levels.
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Ok, name one of them.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 15:02:23 EDT (#)
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Jack, I am sick and tired of all this 'they fight for our freedom, our way of life, their friends, their families, and their country' crap. Honestly. Although those might be legitimate secondary reasons that are thought up and realized after the fact to rationalize their current state of affairs, (aka: the ugly reality of being in a war that makes little sense), every soldier's initial motive for getting into the military is, you guessed it, money and career opportunity. Without all the perks the military gives the new recruits, most, if not all, of them would'nt be there.
Soldiers have to believe they're doing the right thing. They have to think that they are fighting for some higher purpose like freedom, liberty, friends, family, and country because to see the truth would mean that everything they'd trained for, all they hold dear, the 'freedom' they thought they were fighting to protect was just an illusion thrown up by their government as a fucking recruiting tool. If they really opened their eyes like many of those in Vietnam did to what was really going on around them, it would only make things worse.
I'm not trying to make things worse for them. The purpose of this post was to express my personal disdain for all this 'soldier worship' crap permeating America right now. It's this kind of attitude that creates the drones people like George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld need to fight their sick twisted little wars for them.
I think it's our duty to fight that.
SHIT! I need to write my UM post!
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-07-17 13:52:55 EDT (#)
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I never said I was ungrateful for the soldiers who have died in the protection of my freedoms. The problem is, very few of the soldiers who actually die in conflict died for 'my freedom'. World War II was probably the last war in which we've fought over an ideology I've actually agreed with. Pretty much everything since could have been handled with other means, or avoided altogether
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really, so all we had to do to get rid of Communism was just to wish it away by clicking our heels together? (sigh)
You know, when Europeans say how stupid Americans are on this site, all they have to do is to linkto this post for the proof they need.
Submitted by Hotpocket4you (user info) at 2005-07-17 13:48:59 EDT (#)
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Your wrong on so many levels.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-17 13:14:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:54:29 (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:01:12 (#)
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A sound argument? How's this for short and sweet?
If the shit ever hits the fan and there is what might qualify in your rose-colored world as a 'real war,' every spineless conscientious objector chickenshit fuck like you will run for the hills, and your land and life will be defended by some minimum wage hayseed from fuckin Kansas or some numbnuts coulda-been-a-hood-rat from Detroit who is willing to carry a rifle and face death to save your sorry ass, and it doesn't matter if they went into the service as a career choiice or to get a free education, they will be defending scumbags like you who sit back in front of their computer and trash them and what they believe in.
Shame on you, sir.
Your ingratitude in unforgivable.
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Now to my favorite...Jack.
I never said I was ungrateful for the soldiers who have died in the protection of my freedoms. The problem is, very few of the soldiers who actually die in conflict died for 'my freedom'. World War II was probably the last war in which we've fought over an ideology I've actually agreed with. Pretty much everything since could have been handled with other means, or avoided altogether. If you can't understand that, then it's YOU who needs the fucking history lesson, Jack
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Listen up, Dudley.
It doesn't matter if you think 'they' were fighting a legitimate cause. What matters is that they went into the fight for their buddies, their family and friends, their country.
If they are willing to do that in a questionable cause and not back down, they will do it again when there is a threat to this nation which you find legitimate.
And please don't try to get all tough guy over the net while tweaking the three hairs on your concave chest and washing down more testosterone supplements with another can of Red Bull.
Submitted by IntangibleHands (user info) at 2005-07-17 13:08:20 EDT (#)
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I whole-heartedly enjoyed your Nazi comparison. So true...
also:
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:24:36 (#)
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Is the Fundamentalist Christian who murders the abortion doctor absolved of any wrongdoing because 'God' told him to do it? No.
Is the child molester absolved from any wrongdoing because 'little voices' told him to do it? No.
Is the terrorist absolved of his responsibility for bombing a bus or a building or a train simply because his very culture and way of life told him it was right? (This one, ironically, you might be able to argue 'yes'.)
Think about that.
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You are my hero.
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2005-07-17 10:45:34 EDT (#)
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Need I say more?
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:45:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:45:18 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:11:47 (#)
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OMG LIEK LETS JUSTY HAVE NOES ARMY@!
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ok, you next...
I never said anything even remotely close to that. Once again... READ!
What the fuck is with you Aussies?? You're supposed to at least be able to comprehend a valid argument.
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When I see a valid argument I'll conmprehend it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:26:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:15:10 (#)
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"I pay your fucking salary" is honestly the stupidest thing i have ever read on Ubersite.
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Stupid? Maybe. But it happens to be true.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:15:10 EDT (#)
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"I pay your fucking salary" is honestly the stupidest thing i have ever read on Ubersite. Even worse than Stabkill's "Kill all Muslims" ideas. Well, almost.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:54:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:01:12 (#)
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A sound argument? How's this for short and sweet?
If the shit ever hits the fan and there is what might qualify in your rose-colored world as a 'real war,' every spineless conscientious objector chickenshit fuck like you will run for the hills, and your land and life will be defended by some minimum wage hayseed from fuckin Kansas or some numbnuts coulda-been-a-hood-rat from Detroit who is willing to carry a rifle and face death to save your sorry ass, and it doesn't matter if they went into the service as a career choiice or to get a free education, they will be defending scumbags like you who sit back in front of their computer and trash them and what they believe in.
Shame on you, sir.
Your ingratitude in unforgivable.
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Now to my favorite...Jack.
Jack, I often think it might be interesting to meet you in person to see if we'd see eye to eye on ANY subject, and if it's just the filter of the internet and communication breakdown that keeps us from seeing eye to eye on some things...but then I think I might rather gouge my fucking eyes out, cut my balls off, and put them in the sockets where the eyes used to be than speak to more of your kind.
All you ever do is latch onto one misinterpreted aspect of a post or an argument and run it into the ground.
I never said I was ungrateful for the soldiers who have died in the protection of my freedoms. The problem is, very few of the soldiers who actually die in conflict died for 'my freedom'. World War II was probably the last war in which we've fought over an ideology I've actually agreed with. Pretty much everything since could have been handled with other means, or avoided altogether. If you can't understand that, then it's YOU who needs the fucking history lesson, Jack!
Finally, don't you EVER presume to know whether or not I would tear someone a new asshole if they were to threaten me or mine. If you really want to prove your point, you should try it sometime. It would be the last fucking thing you ever did.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:45:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:11:47 (#)
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OMG LIEK LETS JUSTY HAVE NOES ARMY@!
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ok, you next...
I never said anything even remotely close to that. Once again... READ!
What the fuck is with you Aussies?? You're supposed to at least be able to comprehend a valid argument.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:43:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by scrumdown (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:41:52 (#)
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You fucking piece of shit. Just remember that it is "poor stupid" fucks like me who give you the right to say what you just said. We wake up every morning to give you that right on a silver fucking platter, and then stand here as men and women while you bag on us like a fucktard. And I do it with a smile on my face.
And with that being said, I pray that you come to my door someday and tell me to my face how you feel about me. 'Cause I need the exercise. You fucking freakshow motherfucker, you don't rate to talk to my bootshine kit.
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On second thought, I think I'll take your shit out first, Rambo. You haven't given me shit last time I checked. Neither you, nor any of the soldiers who have fought in the last 4 foreign wars for this country have given me SHIT in the way of freedoms.
You don't protect my freedoms. Who the hell are you? God??? Give me a fucking break!
My 'freedoms' are fucking inalienable, dipshit. If anything, *I* protect my fucking freedoms, just like every other man, against everyone else. This idea that it's the military's job to protect my fucking freedom is bullshit.
My 'freedoms', if you could now call them that, were set forth by the authors of our Constitution. Not you. Not the fucking military. The military is there because I pay my fucking taxes, fuckhead. Remember that next time you're killing a village full of fucking brown people. I PAY YOUR FUCKING SALARY!
Way I see it, as of right now, our freedoms are being eroded from the inside. If you really want to protect my frreedom, or the freedom of your children, then why don't you stay at home, put down the fucking gun, and start telling your leaders to chill the fuck out...let me smoke my weed in peace?
(yes that was a joke. I'm sure laughter is as hard to come by as reading between the lines and thinking outside the box in your profession, so I thought I'd clarify.)
I know you're military, so let me spell this part out for you really fucking slowly so you might understand...
READ THE GODDAMNED REVIEWS YOU FUCKING NITWIT. NOT EVERYTHING IS BLACK AND WHITE, AND I'VE SAID AS MUCH REPEATEDLY.
REEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAD!
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:41:44 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:21:18 EDT (#)
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Ok, I'm done with this post.
All of you who don't seem to have the power of literacy can suck my fucking nutsack.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:13:34 EDT (#)
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Have another.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:11:47 EDT (#)
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OMG LIEK LETS JUSTY HAVE NOES ARMY@!
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:15:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by scrumdown (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:41:52 (#)
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You fucking piece of shit. Just remember that it is "poor stupid" fucks like me who give you the right to say what you just said. We wake up every morning to give you that right on a silver fucking platter, and then stand here as men and women while you bag on us like a fucktard. And I do it with a smile on my face.
And with that being said, I pray that you come to my door someday and tell me to my face how you feel about me. 'Cause I need the exercise. You fucking freakshow motherfucker, you don't rate to talk to my bootshine kit.
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Hey man. At least a few of us are behind you, and grateful you guys do what you do every day.
Submitted by scrumdown (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:41:52 EDT (#)
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You fucking piece of shit. Just remember that it is "poor stupid" fucks like me who give you the right to say what you just said. We wake up every morning to give you that right on a silver fucking platter, and then stand here as men and women while you bag on us like a fucktard. And I do it with a smile on my face.
And with that being said, I pray that you come to my door someday and tell me to my face how you feel about me. 'Cause I need the exercise. You fucking freakshow motherfucker, you don't rate to talk to my bootshine kit.
Submitted by ellsmall (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:09:37 EDT (#)
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Hi, oh I see you're an idiot, thanks for making that clear.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:01:12 EDT (#)
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A sound argument? How's this for short and sweet?
If the shit ever hits the fan and there is what might qualify in your rose-colored world as a 'real war,' every spineless conscientious objector chickenshit fuck like you will run for the hills, and your land and life will be defended by some minimum wage hayseed from fuckin Kansas or some numbnuts coulda-been-a-hood-rat from Detroit who is willing to carry a rifle and face death to save your sorry ass, and it doesn't matter if they went into the service as a career choiice or to get a free education, they will be defending scumbags like you who sit back in front of their computer and trash them and what they believe in.
Shame on you, sir.
Your ingratitude in unforgivable.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-16 23:31:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 22:29:05 (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:40:38 (#)
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Terrible.
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I do wish more of your would at least try to elaborate a little on why exactly you think I'm wrong in my views here. We could at least try to make this interesting.
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Dammit, I almost got away with that.
I agree that the whole "Support the troops" movement is ridiculous. Waving a flag and supporting an invasion does shit all to support troops. But to then say "Why should I? They're just doing their job" is equally bullshit. Most people who would sign up for the infantry are dumbasses, but that doesn't change the fact that they're putting their life on the line. It doesn't matter if they're paid to do that - no amount of money is going to compensate you if you're killed. I know that I don't have the guts to do what they do every day, and I can only hope that I would have the guts to defend my country as you seem so sure you could.
From what I am aware of, it isn't the soldiers serving in whatever dustbowl they've been allocated to who are behind the "Support the troops" movement.
Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2005-07-16 22:57:00 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by GaidinCanuck (user info) at 2005-07-16 22:46:24 EDT (#)
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Right on.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-16 22:37:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:15:16 (#)
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It's tough determining who is dumber on this post; ETS or McCallum and his Conservative Crusaders.
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McCallum & the Conservative Crusaders!
Awesome.
I'll be distributing t-shirts and ball caps to all who request them.
And remember, if you use the word 'please' in your request I'll know you are a bleeding heart liberal emo-fag who just wants to wear one to up his chances of getting laid and shitcan your order.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-16 22:34:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:52:32 (#)
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AJ, you twat, it's just a quote.
Do me a favor and pick up an Edgar Allan Poe book sometime. You'll see that he puts a quote at the beginning of nearly ALL of his short stories. It was also a common practice among the likes of Emerson and Thoreau, as well as other 19th century writers. Does that make their ideas any less 'original'?
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Stephen King does it too, you pretentious cunt.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 22:29:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:40:38 (#)
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Terrible.
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I do wish more of your would at least try to elaborate a little on why exactly you think I'm wrong in my views here. We could at least try to make this interesting.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:40:38 EDT (#)
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Terrible.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-07-16 20:41:05 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:54:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ParlorTrick (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:38:41 (#)
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Perhaps in order to dilute the sense of mandatory support for those who have chosen the military profession versus others, we should simply sell more magnetic car ribbons:
Support Our Funeral Directors
Support Our Medical Professionals
Support Our Computer Technicians
Support Our Sheep Shearers
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Support our strippers! Woo hoo
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:52:32 EDT (#)
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AJ, you twat, it's just a quote.
Do me a favor and pick up an Edgar Allan Poe book sometime. You'll see that he puts a quote at the beginning of nearly ALL of his short stories. It was also a common practice among the likes of Emerson and Thoreau, as well as other 19th century writers. Does that make their ideas any less 'original'?
I don't know. You decide for yourself. I am of the mind that there is really no such thing as an original thought anyway. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say that the thoughts I have aren't even my own. Being as they are the product of chemical and physical reactions that are beyond my control, I could conclude that I'm not even me.
Who said that?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:48:07 EDT (#)
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"-1 "If there was a REAL threat to this country" EXTREMISTS AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM ARE A REAL THREAT AND THAT WAS DEMONSTRATED ON 9/11/2001"
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You're right, they are a threat to this country when they're HERE! That doesn't really explain why were now trapsing around Iraq. Afghanistan...fine. Finding Osama and bringing him to justice...ok.
What too may of us forget is the fact as I stated it in this post that America hasn't been the scene of a war since the Civil War. Sure you can argue that 9-11 was an act of war, but you could also say the same thing about the Oklahoma City bombings. In both cases, the operations were financed and perpetrated by small networks of terrorists.
I have news for you guys...we cannot stop terrorism. It's that simple. Just like the 'War on Drugs' will drag on until the end of humanity, so will the 'War on Terrorism' (however you define 'terrorism').
We shouldn't forget that the American Revolutionaries themselves were considered dishonorable traitors to the English who fought them. Our tactics were guerilla and subversive, but it got the job done. As long as we keep pissing people off, there will always be more 'terrorists' to contend with - much the same way as if someone came and killed your family you wouldn't rest until justice had been served in your mind, the terrorists will always seek to disrupt and destroy what they percieve as the infidel evil that is encroaching upon their region.
My strategy, if I were President of this country, would be one of bolstering national defense at home. Bring the troops currently fighting overseas back to shore up our national security. We could still maintain a highly trained peacetime army without going on the offensive.
I realise it's always going to be necessary to continue diplomatic and trade relations with other nations, and it's in our best interest to keep bases in certain parts of the world for early response purposes, but we've taken our meddling way too far, and as long as we keep the blinders on and bull-headedly continue to ignore what these 'terrorists' are trying to say to us with their defiance, we will remain on this collision course that will eventually lead us into a more massive conflict involving more than just one little country with a sparse and crippled military...I fear the results could be much worse.
It's tragic that bad things happen. It's a shame that we can't find the holy utopian grail that has eluded humanity since his conception, but any kindergarten child can tell you that violence is a circle.
Ask little Bobby what little Jimmy would do if he hit him... What do you think he's going to say? That's right "hit back". For thousands of years we as humans have been doing nothing but hitting back. I think it's time we tried to understand a little. (Don't take that to mean we should just let terrorists run amok in our country, but we can't just go intrepidly chasing them down in places we only SUSPECT they MIGHT be based on our 'intelligence' that has often proven to be fallable.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:47:51 EDT (#)
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I have no real opinion one way or another on this but I just wish you'd stop referencing Bill Hicks and Mitch Hedberg all the time.
How about you try writing something observant/funny for yourself for a change?
Just a thought.
*Awaits angry outbreak*
Submitted by UrbaneMischief (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:44:19 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Herpes (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:43:02 EDT (#)
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No I did not pay attention to what you replied to some other post with.
I don't pay attention to pretentious people's preferences from previous posts.
I don't know if you're really pretencious or not, it just sounded good.
(And since I didn't feel like looking it up, I splld it wrog 1ce.)
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:41:07 EDT (#)
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fag
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:41:00 EDT (#)
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two
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fucking
Submitted by mush (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:40:48 EDT (#)
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minus
Submitted by ParlorTrick (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:38:41 EDT (#)
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Perhaps in order to dilute the sense of mandatory support for those who have chosen the military profession versus others, we should simply sell more magnetic car ribbons:
Support Our Funeral Directors
Support Our Medical Professionals
Support Our Computer Technicians
Support Our Sheep Shearers
Submitted by wanderingaimlessley (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:22:21 EDT (#)
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hmm
-1 for not supporting the troops who risk their lives for you
+1 for the comment "if someone was coming HERE to my backyard to attack me or my family or even my country, you'd better believe I'd be on the fucking front lines with war paint and M-16. You wouldn't even have to ask"
-1 "If there was a REAL threat to this country" EXTREMISTS AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM ARE A REAL THREAT AND THAT WAS DEMONSTRATED ON 9/11/2001
Final score:-1
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:15:16 EDT (#)
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It's tough determining who is dumber on this post; ETS or McCallum and his Conservative Crusaders.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:03:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:36:11 (#)
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in·ver·te·brate
adj.
Lacking a backbone or spine
an·en·ceph·a·ly
n.
Congenital absence of most of the brain and spinal cord
Submitted by swamp_donkey (user info) at 2005-07-16 18:59:51 EDT (#)
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Shouldn't you be attempting to suck the skin off my cock?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 18:37:29 EDT (#)
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"In essence, what happens to them, and what they are forced to do, is not their fault. Maybe 99% of the people who sign up for the armed forces honestly think they are doing an honorable thing, and defending this country. Don't hate them for thinking they're doing the right thing. I like hearing people say "Defending our country". I think they should look up the word "defend". Shit. I strayed off topic... where was I?"
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Herpes, did you read the reviews to this post where I repeatedly stated I don't 'hate' the troops? Why does saying that I don't really respect their job equate to hatred in all your minds? What Nazi pamphlets are you people reading here to get your ideas on militarism?
Furthermore, your argument that because these kids are young, dumb, and vulnerable to persuasion by the greater minds and promises of military recruitment officers is all the more reason we should be teaching our children NOW to consider other career options. That's really all I'm saying.
Let's not glorify this barbaric trade any more than it has been already.
Submitted by karamazov (user info) at 2005-07-16 17:54:30 EDT (#)
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He's like an angry incoherent Frenchman. Stick to your native language Jacque.
Submitted by Herpes (user info) at 2005-07-16 17:50:14 EDT (#)
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The military doesn't let them know they're going to be joining a big war machine that has no care or concern for how that soldier is personally. These kids who are recruited most of the time can't even buy themselves a drink, because their government doesn't believe they are mature enough to handle something like that.
In essence, what happens to them, and what they are forced to do, is not their fault. Maybe 99% of the people who sign up for the armed forces honestly think they are doing an honorable thing, and defending this country. Don't hate them for thinking they're doing the right thing. I like hearing people say "Defending our country". I think they should look up the word "defend". Shit. I strayed off topic... where was I?
Oh yeah, I was getting ready to call you a douche. Douche. You cannot blame the people stationed over there. As much as you or I may not agree with why they are there, that's where they are. They are our brothers, our sisters, and most of all fellow Americans. They deserve some respect for who they are and what they do, even if their boss is a chode.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 17:29:13 EDT (#)
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Ok, these last two jabs were about the lamest I've ever seen. Surely uber can do better than that.
Submitted by CoreaPeekay (user info) at 2005-07-16 17:16:02 EDT (#)
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Hey dumbass, you should be respecing the fag on the corner solving your mother's day delima, and you should be respecting your mechanic, too. Fucking dolt. Everyone should take pride in their work, be it the life of a soldier, or fixing your car so your breaks don't cut out causing you to fly through an intersection and get in a wreck (and wouldn't just suck?).
You should think about things before you say them.
Submitted by swamp_donkey (user info) at 2005-07-16 17:03:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:52:05 (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:36:11 (#)
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in·ver·te·brate
adj.
Lacking a backbone or spine
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slave
n.
One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence
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Oh come on ... slave? Someone like you needs to spend some time in slavery.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:52:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:36:11 (#)
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in·ver·te·brate
adj.
Lacking a backbone or spine
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slave
n.
One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:47:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:03:54 (#)
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blah blah blah liberal bullshit
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eat me. the end.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:47:35 EDT (#)
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That is a valid point about the 'blindly following laws' thing, Silvr. There is a slight difference though, namely I don't seek to put myself in a position where I'm going to have to point a gun at someone who, in his mind, is only defending his homeland and his very way of life and pull the trigger because someone higher up the beurocratic pecking order told me I had to.
Everyone makes compromises in life so that they might persue some measure of personal happiness, but being a soldier was never on my list of options. I will kill when *I* say it's time to kill, and not a minute before. While handing over our right to choose when and where and for what reasons we kill another human being is an option for all of us, I find nowhere where it says that I must unequivocally respect them that do.
'Loyalty' is all well and good if the basis for it has reason, and isn't simply a matter of skin color, nationality, or culture.
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:36:22 EDT (#)
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found it:
http://www.drunkendelight.com/view.php?id=744
the video is SFW, but some of the ads around the borders aren't...
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:36:11 EDT (#)
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in·ver·te·brate
adj.
Lacking a backbone or spine
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:30:00 EDT (#)
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forgot the rating. fucktard.
Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:29:45 EDT (#)
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"I have no respect for people who blindly take orders or follow others."
Then quit your job on a whim. Stop paying taxes. Tell the DMV to go fuck themselves; you don't need a license plate. Make a list of every law you don't like in this country and go out and break each one of them. We all blindly follow our orders, even if they're left unsaid.
I personally don't consider it blasphemous to not respect our troops more than the local mechanic. You're perfectly entitled to that. I just don't see any reason to lower my respect for them based on the fact that some oil moguls in a kushy office sent them 12,000 miles away to kill and die. What do you find so negative about loyalty?
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:29:36 EDT (#)
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ETS = http://www.forsakethetroops.info (before it got bought anyways)
Submitted by swamp_donkey (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:25:57 EDT (#)
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You're a fucking pussy ass sombitch.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:24:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:57:24 (#)
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We all know going into Iraq (not a terror base at the time) was wrong. So don't support those who sent us. I'll join you there.
I'm not going be an ass to the kids - yes, kids - who are our line of defense and who do defend our country, in whatever misguided way they are told to.
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The problem you run into when you 'support the troops, not the war' is that you're essentially absolving them of their actions. Everyone in this life is responsible for the things they do. It doesn't matter in the least whether someone told them to do it or not.
I have no inordinate respect for soldiers because they are essentially saying this: "I'll do any job you want me to do, no matter how misdirected or misguided or malevolent the motive behind it as long as you pay me and scratch my back with this whole 'career' thing." That's it right there. It's a legal hit man, thug, brute squad.
Is the Fundamentalist Christian who murders the abortion doctor absolved of any wrongdoing because 'God' told him to do it? No.
Is the child molester absolved from any wrongdoing because 'little voices' told him to do it? No.
Is the terrorist absolved of his responsibility for bombing a bus or a building or a train simply because his very culture and way of life told him it was right? (This one, ironically, you might be able to argue 'yes'.)
Think about that.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:09:10 EDT (#)
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Silvrwolf, I'm glad you asked!
My disdain is not directed toward the troops. I harbor no 'disdain' for our soldiers. But neither do I harbor any inordinate respect, simply because it was they that signed the applications that got them where they are, not their leaders, and not the voters.
It seems to me that a lot of the soldiers are just trying to look at their situation in the best possible light, to rationalize to themselves that what they're doing is the right thing - otherwise, they run into a real moral dilemma are are forced to face the fact that they are a pawn in a bigger game of chess - one of nations - one with little regard for their lives or the lives of the citizens around them. This isn't Risk™. It's more like Monopoly™.
What DOES piss me off though is how the American citizens buy into this whole 'anti-war is anti-troops' perception. And going one step further, to say, like I am, that I don't respect the troops really any more than I respect the mechanic down the street is some kind of blasphemy. I don't get it. Aren't they hired killers? Isn't it just a job?
Like I mentioned in the post, I have no ill-will toward soldiers, I just have no stock in what they're doing, and I have no respect for people who blindly take orders or follow others. It's like Christianity and the whole 'faith' thing to me, it just doesn't make sense, and it constitutes a kind of suicide of the will.
Submitted by Eggy1988 (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:06:07 EDT (#)
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You have to remember that Bill Hicks is just a comedian. Yeah, I don't agree with his political views but I think he is entertaining.
I think you'll find, the only people saying "Support our troops" are actually not in the military. Have you ever met a squaddie who demands support as he's fought in the war? I would be surprised if you do. Most people are in the army are in it because they enjoy all the PT, have had a shit upbringing, want to get away from home, want to make a career for themselves, want an adventure and want to benefit from all the perks. In the British Army you can retire at 22 years with a full pension. I've already been put through my HGV test and driving licience test with the Territorial Army, for example and I'm only 17.
Submitted by Draqus (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:03:55 EDT (#)
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+2 because I generally agree.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:03:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:00:35 (#)
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the troops ARE supporting us, which is why they deserve our respect.
fuck. here we go. most heated.
you're an asshole.
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Where's your usual rhetoric O'Reilly?
Come on, sure you can do worse than that.
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-07-16 16:00:35 EDT (#)
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the troops ARE supporting us, which is why they deserve our respect.
fuck. here we go. most heated.
you're an asshole.
Submitted by Duke_Diggler (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:58:16 EDT (#)
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I agree. They choose to be put in danger, it's not like there's a draft. And if you're poor and stupid, there are plenty of other ways to make money.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:57:49 EDT (#)
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Lower.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:57:46 EDT (#)
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Lower.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:57:38 EDT (#)
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Oops, that doesn't deserve a 0.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:57:24 EDT (#)
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We all know going into Iraq (not a terror base at the time) was wrong. So don't support those who sent us. I'll join you there.
I'm not going be an ass to the kids - yes, kids - who are our line of defense and who do defend our country, in whatever misguided way they are told to.
Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:49:19 EDT (#)
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If your foundation is that we are the aggressors in Iraq, then why is your disdain aimed at the troops? They don't hold giant Army meetings and vote by show of hands what country to invade. The generals don't ask, "Who feels like going out and shooting someone today? Now, who feels like playing raquetball?"
Our government put them there. We were responsible for electing the people who put them there.
You're preaching to the choir on the idiotic reasons we're at war in the first place. Any war is terrible and unnecessary; especially when our troops are dying on foreign soil defending policy instead of freedom. I just don't see that as any reason at all to negate the respect I have for the jobs those troops do.
More often than not, the pawns as individuals are not responsible for the outcome of a chess match.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:45:38 EDT (#)
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The bottom line is this: you live by the sword, you'll die by the sword.
Defense is one thing. Offense is another. If it weren't too late, if we weren't already balls deep in this shit, I'd say bring our troops home and give them jobs at airports! Let them watch the coastlines and highways and subway stations. Let's leave Muhammad and his family to milk goats and beg Allah for our demise in the middle of the desert if that's what he wants to do.
Suits me just fine.
If he has the balls to come over here and do something on our turf, it's not like we can really stop him anyway if we're all over there. If you remember correctly, the terrorists who pulled off 9-11 did so with training and airplanes they'd acquired HERE!
We have to balance proactive prevention with solid defense. That's the only way. But if our idea of proactive prevention is storming into Iraq and other countries under completely false pretenses, then take a seat and buy some popcorn because WWIII might be closer than you think, Jack.
Submitted by RydinJ (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:35:25 EDT (#)
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i retract the statement regarding the forsakethetroops guy becasue ur comment prior to was not showing until after i posted that..
but to note.. I do not ask to have my ass kissed or anything for that matter, I dont ask for anything.. If i wanted to ask for anything I would not have signed up for the army. I will be the first so say that I dont like a certain someone who is the reason I am here.. And yes I think its fucked up I cannot express that dislike without fear of jail, but hey I signed up to support freedoms of the american people.. and to be able to support a future family when that time comes around.
But once again, no i do not care for the whole SUPPORT THE TROOPS AHHHHH rants and raves going on.. just having the american people knowing were here.. saying i hope there safe. thats it.. other than that.. i duno what there doing to support me?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:31:23 EDT (#)
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"If our troops fail in their jobs, that attack on you and your family could come as a thief in the night. There may not be a front line to defend."
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Silvr, the problem here is - and this is the major difference and foundation for my argument here - WE'RE NOT IN A DEFENSIVE POSITION IN IRAQ! WE ARE THE AGGRESSORS!
You think that trapsing all over the globe, stomping people's way of life in our wake is going to push back the front line in any way!?!? Iraq has never done ANYTHING to me, my family, or my country that I'm aware of.
But oh, I forgot! Terrorists are going to blow up my family. So we have to kill them first! And while we're at it, we might as well try to change the cradle of civilization to suit our needs.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:30:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by RydinJ (user info) at 2005-07-16 13:52:26 (#)
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[...]
First off you have not been here personally and you have not seen what I have seen, these people are misguided and trained,raised,taught,live to hate americans and the american way. Slowly we are changing their minds and showing them that the ways they have always known are wrong.
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J, don't you think this is the exact same thing that the groups you're fighting are saying?
Meanwhile at the Terrorist Recruitment Camp...
Ahkmed, you have never seen America. Their lives are disgusting, it is not the Islamic way. Slowly we will change their minds and show them that the ways they have always known are wrong. We will do this by killing their soliders in Iraq and striking fear into their hearts with urban guerilla tactics. We will show them the true way.
Give me a break.
You don't like the way each other live. So what? Wow, better go to war over it.
I guess the concept of harmony doesn't exist. My way or the fucking highway, right?
Wars of this nature are the most pointless kind, and the US seems to absolutely love fighting them. Thanks for showing North Korea and Russia the errs of their lifestyle. Things are really looking up over there. Vietnam is a haven of Freedom and joy now.
It seems to me that all America is really interested in is protecting their own way of life, no matter the cost to the rest of humanity. The sick thing is that ETS is right about one thing... that way of life is constantly decreasing in quality, right in front of your eyes, but you'd rather be frigging around with whatever "grave danger" exists half way around the world.
I am just sick of it all.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:25:36 EDT (#)
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Americans are the only ones who talk about their troops, in a good or bad way.
To stop caring is the solution.
Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2005-07-16 15:20:42 EDT (#)
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While I see your logic, I disagree on the importance of supporting our troops. I can be apathetic to the policies that put that the troops in harm's way and I can be the same way towards each individual's decision to join the military in the first place. However, as someone already pointed out, their position holds a certain prestige and honor. If your mechanic fails in his job, you find a better and more capable mechanic.
If our troops fail in their jobs, that attack on you and your family could come as a thief in the night. There may not be a front line to defend. It could drop out of the sky in a hijacked plane - into your living room. It could drive up in front of the place where you work and snuff your flame in a crushing shock