Virgin at 18? Here's a big payoff! (2345 hits)
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Submitted by Project <Pr0j3ct_0v3rk1ll.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2005-07-16 19:02:18 EDT
I'm sitting here at my sister's house trying to find something to do, and I decide to log on to Ubersite to check out the latest Uberdrama and what not. The homepage for internet explorer here is Netscape.com, and when the page loads it's nothing but news articles and other useless shit. And by news articles I mean bullshit news like articles and stupid survey results and fucked up conclusions that these "scientists" come up with. One such article I saw under the "Need to know section" is entitled "Virgin at 18? Here's a big payoff!"
I had no choice but to read it, as it obviously caught my attention.
Here is the link to it, for those of you who didn't get laid before 18 and are awaiting your rewards (http://channels.netscape.com/ns/love/package.jsp?name=fte/virginat18/virginat18).
Anyway, this article stems from a survey that was conducted somewhere (read the article if you really want to know), and some 3000 males and 3000 females were surveyed at 18 years old, and again at 38. The questions were about sexual activity and such.
It turns out that the 50% of people surveyed that didn't have sex before 18 got a better education, got a better job, get paid more, and have less of a divorce risk.
My question is WTF!?!?!?!?
Ok, so according to journal of Adolescent and Family Health or whatever, if you wait to have sex, you have a better life? I could understand if maybe they did better in high school or something because they spent alot of time doing homework rather than fucking, but it says they got an average of 1 extra year of education. But, honestly, what the hell does sex have to do with income? Plenty of people have sex early and still make a good amount of money!
Also, what does it have to do with divorce risk. Furthermore, how the fuck do you determine divorce risk?!?!?
I imagine they came up with the divorce risk equation with some shrink who asks divorced couples what went wrong and he made up some faux mathematics to go along with the "results".
"Mmmmhmm, so he beat you, AND was an alcoholic? That means you have 71.28659% risk of divorce."
They even had some bullshit doctor back up the survey results. Reginald Finger, M.D., said "We found, as well, that these better outcomes were not merely the result of avoiding teenage pregnancy or fatherhood. The outcomes are inherent to remaining abstinent."
So pregnancy doesn't play that big of a role in adolescent sex and the effects on your adulthood? It seems to me that the ONLY argument worth listening to from this standpoint would be along the lines of "If you had sex early, then you may get pregnant and financially you wouldn't do as well because you are dropping out of school, etc."
That seems like a logical argument, but teen pregnancy aside, they still believe waiting to have sex makes you live a better life because you make more money.
This seems to me like another American media ploy to try and keep kids from having sex. What do you think, Uber?
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Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-18 04:28:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-07-17 14:05:10 (#)
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i hate to get all religious or moral or whatever, but here's a fact:
the ones who wait, on average, usually put more time and thought into who they're going to marry and stay married for a long time. Not because they chose to wait, but because of the upbringing that taught them to wait.
That's what happens. You get used to banging every person you think you might like, and that sort of transforms into "well i like this person enough, we'll get married." then a few years down the road "oops, we fell out of love. time to move on."
One of my teachers in highschool, and i'll never forget this, described it like this:
she took a piece of packing tape. you know, the wide scotch tape? anyways, she took that strip of tape, and stuck it to the first kids arm. Pulled it off. Kid goes "ow!" She goes to the second kid. Sticks it to her arm. Pulls it off "ow." Third kid, fourth kid, and so on. She gets through half the class and then stops, brings the tape back up to the front of the class, and says, "this is the same as sex. If you do it a lot, with a lot of different people, it looses its feeling, you don't stick to each other as well (emotionally), and eventually, the tape isn't quite as clean as it used to be"
so there you have it. I'm not claiming to be morally superior. I have sex too. I'm just saying, you wanted an answer, I've got your divorce answer right here.
Nice, Matt. The tape analogy works quite well.
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2005-07-17 14:05:10 EDT (#)
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i hate to get all religious or moral or whatever, but here's a fact:
the ones who wait, on average, usually put more time and thought into who they're going to marry and stay married for a long time. Not because they chose to wait, but because of the upbringing that taught them to wait.
That's what happens. You get used to banging every person you think you might like, and that sort of transforms into "well i like this person enough, we'll get married." then a few years down the road "oops, we fell out of love. time to move on."
One of my teachers in highschool, and i'll never forget this, described it like this:
she took a piece of packing tape. you know, the wide scotch tape? anyways, she took that strip of tape, and stuck it to the first kids arm. Pulled it off. Kid goes "ow!" She goes to the second kid. Sticks it to her arm. Pulls it off "ow." Third kid, fourth kid, and so on. She gets through half the class and then stops, brings the tape back up to the front of the class, and says, "this is the same as sex. If you do it a lot, with a lot of different people, it looses its feeling, you don't stick to each other as well (emotionally), and eventually, the tape isn't quite as clean as it used to be"
so there you have it. I'm not claiming to be morally superior. I have sex too. I'm just saying, you wanted an answer, I've got your divorce answer right here.
Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-17 05:38:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by karamazov (user info) at 2005-07-17 04:44:47 (#)
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Having sex before 18 is a symptom not the cause. They've said the exact same thing about almost every vice from smoking, drugs, habitual gambling etc and it all comes down to the time you spend preparing. Every minute counts, which I think is the message the blabbering idiots are trying to get across, there are more productive ways to spend your time.
As far the government goes, a study was published on how MDMA can kill. Apparently they gave some sort of monkies some E and then he died. Turns out they actually injected the monkeys directly into the brain with huge overdoses of meth. Food for thought.
^^^Yeah, it just seems like everything that you hear to be "fact" is always twisted, or the expirement is conducted wrong. Since I'm American, I hear that over in other countries the news isn't biased, or spun, or anything. If that's true I may want to reconsider my news source.^^^
Submitted by checkyourmail (user info) at 2005-07-17 04:49:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by karamazov (user info) at 2005-07-17 04:44:47 EDT (#)
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Having sex before 18 is a symptom not the cause. They've said the exact same thing about almost every vice from smoking, drugs, habitual gambling etc and it all comes down to the time you spend preparing. Every minute counts, which I think is the message the blabbering idiots are trying to get across, there are more productive ways to spend your time.
As far the government goes, a study was published on how MDMA can kill. Apparently they gave some sort of monkies some E and then he died. Turns out they actually injected the monkeys directly into the brain with huge overdoses of meth. Food for thought.
Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-17 04:16:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:51:17 (#)
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Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:08:00 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:55:58 (#)
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Kids who go around humping anything that moves are usually just idiots with no self-respect. Did you think of that?
^^^Williamson, maybe not ALL kids are idiots with no self-respect. Just because someone is sexuially active doesn't make them a moron. I agree that people who will fuck anything that walks obviously are stupid, but don't stereotype so much.^^^
I'm not stereotyping. I'm part of the "fucked before 18" group, but the entire study was about general trends and the general trend of people who have sex a lot while they're too young is that they are stupid. Call it a stereotype if you wish, but it's pretty fucking truthful.
That's true. The way you put it was what made me respond. You are right though, that particular survey sucked, and the results were too vague.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:51:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:08:00 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:55:58 (#)
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Kids who go around humping anything that moves are usually just idiots with no self-respect. Did you think of that?
^^^Williamson, maybe not ALL kids are idiots with no self-respect. Just because someone is sexuially active doesn't make them a moron. I agree that people who will fuck anything that walks obviously are stupid, but don't stereotype so much.^^^
I'm not stereotyping. I'm part of the "fucked before 18" group, but the entire study was about general trends and the general trend of people who have sex a lot while they're too young is that they are stupid. Call it a stereotype if you wish, but it's pretty fucking truthful.
Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-17 03:08:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:55:58 (#)
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Kids who go around humping anything that moves are usually just idiots with no self-respect. Did you think of that?
^^^Williamson, maybe not ALL kids are idiots with no self-respect. Just because someone is sexuially active doesn't make them a moron. I agree that people who will fuck anything that walks obviously are stupid, but don't stereotype so much.^^^
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:44:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by RandytheHelpfulPineapple (user info) at 2005-07-16 23:57:50 (#)
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I think that it's logical to assume that teen pregnancy can effect the outcome.
The problem is that this is a correlational study.
In a correlational study it is impossible to find out exact cause and effect.
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True. That was one of the first things drilled into our heads, correlation does not mean causation. Just about anything can be correlated, it doesn't mean it's related. For instance, one professor of mine used to tell his class at the beginning of a semester that a high concentration of ministers in a town is correlated with a large number of liquor stores. By the end of 16 weeks, the class should understand the error inherent in those kind of stats.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-07-17 02:10:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jinhenkim (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:07:12 (#)
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omg, you're completely right. i'll lose my virginity tonight.
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OMG, DONT LET ELECTRO SEE THIS POST
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:55:58 EDT (#)
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Kids who go around humping anything that moves are usually just idiots with no self-respect. Did you think of that?
Submitted by jack0173 (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:48:43 EDT (#)
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hmmm, the study was conducted by a Christian group - undoubtedly the results are not biased in any way.
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:25:47 EDT (#)
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meh.
Submitted by jinhenkim (user info) at 2005-07-17 01:07:12 EDT (#)
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omg, you're completely right. i'll lose my virginity tonight.
Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:49:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by RandytheHelpfulPineapple (user info) at 2005-07-16 23:57:50 (#)
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I think that it's logical to assume that teen pregnancy can effect the outcome.
The problem is that this is a correlational study.
In a correlational study it is impossible to find out exact cause and effect.
It'd be interesting to see a study done along side this that explored the possibility of those having early safe sex having roughly the same future as those not having sex. By doing this, you can figure out the true difference and take the pregnancy issue out of the equation (only to find several more variables).
The divorce risk thing is probably measured off of divorce rates.
You could be seeing these tests in some form of propaganda in Health classes in high schools. Kind of like the bullshit data they still use in DARE programs.
^^^^^^^Thanks, Randy. You really ARE a helpful pineapple!^^^^^^^^
Submitted by crazybutsolazy (user info) at 2005-07-17 00:14:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:35:26 (#)
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I think this article has cause and effect mixed up. THe real truth is, those people under 18 likely to go on to a better education are usually those who can't get laid.
Trust me.
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So true
Submitted by RandytheHelpfulPineapple (user info) at 2005-07-16 23:57:50 EDT (#)
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I think that it's logical to assume that teen pregnancy can effect the outcome.
The problem is that this is a correlational study.
In a correlational study it is impossible to find out exact cause and effect.
It'd be interesting to see a study done along side this that explored the possibility of those having early safe sex having roughly the same future as those not having sex. By doing this, you can figure out the true difference and take the pregnancy issue out of the equation (only to find several more variables).
The divorce risk thing is probably measured off of divorce rates.
You could be seeing these tests in some form of propaganda in Health classes in high schools. Kind of like the bullshit data they still use in DARE programs.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:46:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:35:26 (#)
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I think this article has cause and effect mixed up. THe real truth is, those people under 18 likely to go on to a better education are usually those who can't get laid.
Trust me.
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This was fuckin awesome.
I'm studying law and i've poled the bitches for many a year, this survey's a fuckin joke.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:35:26 EDT (#)
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I think this article has cause and effect mixed up. THe real truth is, those people under 18 likely to go on to a better education are usually those who can't get laid.
Trust me.
Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:19:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indigogecko (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:02:57 (#)
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"risk of divorce" - the way I interpret that is how many people WERE divorced at 38... therefore saying that more people who started early got divorced than those who waited, hence "increased risk". Meh. You could have written this better.
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If you read the article, it didn't say "the earlier they started, the more they divorced" it just said that the people who participated in the survey had a higher divorce risk. I wish they would explain these things so I won't have to bitch about them on here. Also, yes I could have written it better, my writing skills are still sub-par, to say the least.
Submitted by indigogecko (user info) at 2005-07-16 21:02:57 EDT (#)
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"risk of divorce" - the way I interpret that is how many people WERE divorced at 38... therefore saying that more people who started early got divorced than those who waited, hence "increased risk". Meh. You could have written this better.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2005-07-16 20:23:12 EDT (#)
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Only thing I could think of would be responsibility...it takes a hell of a lot of willpower to keep this damn thing in. So that's all I got man.
Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-16 20:12:24 EDT (#)
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hahahahaha I just realized that my link had the phrase "love package" in it.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-07-16 20:00:58 EDT (#)
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It seems kind of 3rd grade to say "the scientist say so" and leave it at that.
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Never take a scientists word for it, examine the data. For instance, this professor I work for, myself, and 3 other researchers are going to be presenting a study that juvenile sex offenders actually do respond to treatment at a psychology conference later this year.
This is actually controversial because the common attitude is that sex offenders and paraphilias are resistant to treatment. So you can bet your sweet ass our data is going to be scrutinized!!!!
And it should be. But we're ready for 'em!
Always examine the data!!!
Submitted by Pr0j3ct (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:44:56 EDT (#)
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Forensicgirl, thanks for responding seriously to my post, I actually wanted someones opinion on this. I wasn't actually trying to entertain people like most of you think, I wanted to have a discussion. I guess maybe I should go somewhere else for discussions?
Intresting point though, it makes more sense the way you put it. Netscape just put some shit there to catch someone's attention without actually giving any logical arguments.
It seems kind of 3rd grade to say "the scientist say so" and leave it at that.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:38:48 EDT (#)
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I wish I could be that much of a dumbass....
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:30:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wanderingaimlessley (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:27:18 (#)
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"God forbid you find the right person before the age of 18, the horror!" Just more bullshit propaganda trying to make people think that maturity soley depends on how many times you rotated around the sun.
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I used to think I was mature when I was 18.
When I look back at myself when I was that age....I was a real dumbass.
Submitted by wanderingaimlessley (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:27:18 EDT (#)
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"God forbid you find the right person before the age of 18, the horror!" Just more bullshit propaganda trying to make people think that maturity soley depends on how many times you rotated around the sun.
Submitted by rollerboognish (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:24:01 EDT (#)
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Reginald Finger, MD. Ha ha.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:23:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:21:23 (#)
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Paragraphs are your friend.
Oh, and forensic is REALLY smart.
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Meh...just a nerd. But thanks.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:21:23 EDT (#)
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Paragraphs are your friend.
Oh, and forensic is REALLY smart.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:13:27 EDT (#)
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not the Netscape blurb about it, try to find the actual study I meant.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:10:23 EDT (#)
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It just means they found statistical significance that people who waited to have sex made more income.
If I had to interrupt this intuitively, I'd say that people who delay having sex, have more time and energy to sink into things like education and activities that promote college admission.
Teenage pregnancy can squelch a young girl's (and boy's) possibility for higher education.
Having babies and earning minimum wage or being on welfare promotes poverty and stagnation and a vicious cycle forms.
On your own and for your own curiosity, try to track down the study and read it. It should tell you a lot more and also give you the references they used.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:09:46 EDT (#)
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It's probably some more science to encourage abstinence-only education, but this was poorly written.
Submitted by swamp_donkey (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:06:50 EDT (#)
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When I was 7 I raped my first Mexican hooker, so I guess this doesn't apply to me. Who knows, I might have been president or something if I had remained celibate.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-07-16 19:04:21 EDT (#)
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I think about monkeys, they are amusing.
this post isn't.
I've seen worse though.