If it wasn't for the USA I'd be speaking German! (2308 hits)
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Submitted by Paul Hibbert (View user info) at 2005-08-27 09:47:23 EDT
"What if Hitler won the war?" this post (http://www.ubersite.com/m/73904) does not beg that question at all- this Muppet (alragusa) does. This jumped up little tool bag is the reason a large portion of the world hates America. Have an example of his genius: - "As for "our selfish interests" - let me ask, So?! Acting in your self-interest is human nature! We will do what we have to, to ensure the survival of our nation.
And let me add the obvious - IF IT WASN'T FOR THE USA YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN OR BE A LAMPSHADE!! We defeated Hitler, who would have turned Europe into an Aryan state if it weren't for us".
Let's see now, what word best sums up this menagerie of stupidity... Tea bag. I think the above paragraph is the embodiment of putting a mans testicles in your mouth.
Illiterate? Check, self obsessed? Check, ignorant to anything outside his country? Check, mention of the war and worst of all how America bailed us out/ won it single handedly? Somebody please help me squeeze my eyes out so that I don't have to bear witness to yet another ignoramus' view of what happened 40-50 years before they were born in a country they've probably never visited in a war that they had nothing to do with.
For those ignoramii I'd like to theorise on what the world would possibly have been like if Hitler had won.
If Hitler won the war we would all be white with blonde hair and blue eyes. Obviously to reach that point there would have been some serious atrocities, but here and now (seeing as that's what we were talking about) there would be no racism, and every man and woman on the planet would be a blonde haired blue eyed fit and healthy specimen, in Hitler's world no one would have to suffer being ugly. Can someone point out where the problem is?
If Hitler won the war we would all be speaking German. OK we'd all sound a little angry all the time and would have an inability to produce good rock music but the whole world would speak one language and so we could communicate in whichever part of German-world we visited, you could visit France and the people would all be friendly because they wouldn't be French and you wouldn't be in France.
If Hitler won WWII then it really would have been the war to end all wars, mankind's drive to fight with stuff would have to be focussed outside of the planet because we'd all be on the same side; we would strive to explore the stars, and rather than keeping our technology a secret from each other the best scientists from all over the world would belong to one race and country and combine there efforts to further mankind's exploration of the cosmos.
If Hitler won the war we would all be equally as rich because the wealth of the world would be shared equally rather than between a few countries. Famine would be totally unknown.
If Hitler won the war we would see what we now call Hitler's insanity as genius. We would see all that freedom stuff as downright stupid because it clearly didn't work. We would see all the atrocities that happened in the 40's and 50's as a necessary sacrifice for the good of Planet Earth and the Aryan race because that's what we would be brought up to believe, not that dissimilar to the Americans reciting the Pledge every day before school, or us singing god save the queen before a football match. It all seems a lot like brainwashing to me. Can anyone point out a good reason that American children should continue to say the pledge?
Best of all Americans couldn't claim they won the fucking war.
With only one country and one leader all weapons could be dismantled and the whole world would be brainwashed the same way Nazi Germany was into following the fuehrer, as a consequence nobody would ever start an uprising and even if they did there would be no weapons to start one with.
As a society we would simply know no different, we would be a blameless people; there would be no crime because anybody not raising his or her kids the Aryan way would be executed. Eventually through nothing but good breeding and execution the whole planet would be made up of intellectual, caring, attractive, obedient, and faithful super humans scientists! Wow! Why were we thanking America again?
Of course it probably wouldn't really work out like that, because Hitler was fucking loopy, and without variety we'd probably live in a pretty dull world. I of course would never have been born because my Granddad would have been slaughtered along with everybody else's non-German dark haired brown-eyed granddad.
And yes I'm glad Hitler lost.
I guess the real point of this post is that we don't really know what Hitler would have done had he won the war, and also that history is written by the winners; I was taught at school that England won the war with the bouncing bombs, Americans are clearly taught something very different. Now if something so clear cut as to which country actually won the fucking thing is in disarray then who knows what really happened and how much of it was completely made up, or worse falsified...
Who's to say Hitler didn't fake his own death, plant a puppet in American politics and manipulate things from afar. Maybe he's the reason for the war on terror- start the ethnic cleansing by turning West against East knowing that the West will win. Maybe he flew one of the planes into the twin towers!
Far fetched? Yes. My Belief? Definitely not. Again, I'm just spouting nonsense to prove the point; no one really knows what happened, media coverage back then was a) awful, and b) manipulated by the government. The government of every country ever in the history of mankind has lied to the general public to protect us. 2 questions, what are they protecting us from? And who gave them the right to keep it from us?
I'm sure the history buffs and propaganda students will argue to the death that I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't, but know this: I'm laughing at you. If you weren't there then you don't know any better than I do, worst of all you assume your knowledge as truth because you've been taught it.
Who's pulling the strings?
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Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-10-11 09:32:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2005-10-07 21:18:22 (#)
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dude, you SO should avvee come to Ubercon London. It was fucking cool man.
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Yeah I got that impression. Dammit. We should hook up round my pad at some point. Me you and Dervel, we'll get completely messed up and discuss the finer points of Lenny Hendrix to make up for my absence in London
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2005-10-07 21:18:22 EDT (#)
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dude, you SO should avvee come to Ubercon London. It was fucking cool man.
Submitted by missflibble (user info) at 2005-10-07 04:09:15 EDT (#)
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I don't totally agree with all your points, but I've given a +1 because
1. you used the proper plural of ignoramus and
2. I enjoy putting a mans testicles in my mouth.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2005-10-07 03:54:55 EDT (#)
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fuuuuck, you were back for one day only and I missed it.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-09-29 20:14:51 EDT (#)
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Where are you?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-09-05 10:14:18 EDT (#)
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I hear you brother, I hear you.
When the revolution comes your death will be painless, worry not.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 09:52:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-09-05 09:26:23 (#)
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what on earth is going on in here?
Get out and play in the sunshine the both of you.
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If only. I'm bored out my fucking nut sat at this desk.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-09-05 09:26:23 EDT (#)
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what on earth is going on in here?
Get out and play in the sunshine the both of you.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 09:10:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 08:20:30 (#)
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Moving on.
Have you done that studio session yet? If not, I've had a great idea.
You should just record cover songs by the Orange Organics and California Dreams.
That would be ace.
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ha ha ha... you're probably right. Still not done it yet. Gotta sort out a studio ourelves now we reckon and he'll give us the cash to do it. Will send you a cd when it's done.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 08:20:30 EDT (#)
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Moving on.
Have you done that studio session yet? If not, I've had a great idea.
You should just record cover songs by the Orange Organics and California Dreams.
That would be ace.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 08:06:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 07:41:40 (#)
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Your mum makes Mo Mowlam look pretty, and she's dead.
Anyhow enough of this inane banter tagnut-head.
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tagnut? How ironic that you eat clagnuts for breakfast. You pick them from your mums bum like she's some sort of disgusting tree.
Loser.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 07:41:40 EDT (#)
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Your mum makes Mo Mowlam look pretty, and she's dead.
Anyhow enough of this inane banter tagnut-head.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 07:28:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 07:24:23 (#)
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Well your mum does DV/DA in low budget animal porn films.
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Your mum blows goats in the backroom at the local adult shop whilst fat black men blow cum on her face through a straw whilst a small gerbil tries desperately to escape from her festering vagina.
Mexicans play irritating world music whilst this disgusting display goes on because it helps your mum get off because it reminds her of her prostitute days back in mexico
PS, your mum
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 07:24:23 EDT (#)
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Well your mum does DV/DA in low budget animal porn films.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 07:10:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 07:09:26 (#)
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Your band sucks.
Have I over stepped the line?
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yes, cries emo tears :*(
Your mum sucks
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 07:09:26 EDT (#)
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Your band sucks.
Have I over stepped the line?
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:58:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:54:42 (#)
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Shit-smeared-sandpaper-for-a-personality.
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That was a good one... righto...
Cack drinking homeless faggot beans with a tiny todger resembling a wrinkly acorn from homo-land.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:54:42 EDT (#)
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Shit-smeared-sandpaper-for-a-personality.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:46:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:37:19 (#)
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Clog-for-a-head.
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baked bean for a cock.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:37:19 EDT (#)
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Clog-for-a-head.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:25:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:23:42 (#)
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Cat sploodge breath.
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winkle picker
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:23:42 EDT (#)
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Cat sploodge breath.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:19:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:16:09 (#)
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Outrage! How dare you rate my post with a bloody zero?
Lucky for you I'm not petty.
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oops, sorry :(
wazzock.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:16:09 EDT (#)
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Outrage! How dare you rate my post with a bloody zero?
Lucky for you I'm not petty.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:12:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:08:47 (#)
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Well, you smell. So there.
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That's right, I do smell, I smell you- and you stink.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 06:08:47 EDT (#)
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Well, you smell. So there.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 05:56:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 05:13:07 (#)
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Morning Pock, welcome to the day.
Remember a few months ago when I was complaining that much to my disgust I liked Dakota by the Stereophonics?
This time it's worse. I like the new Franz Ferdinand song, I know it's crap but I can't help it.
If this trend continues I'll be reading Smash Hits magazine before the year is out.
I'm worried.
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Morning young Dervel... I do indeed remember. Being as the stereophonics were almost credible I was willing to forgive you that particular indiscretion, however this latest folly is almost certain to end our friendship, there is a clear danger that you might infect me with dreadful music taste and I'm not sure I'm willing to take that chance.
On an unrelated note- your gay
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-05 05:13:07 EDT (#)
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Morning Pock, welcome to the day.
Remember a few months ago when I was complaining that much to my disgust I liked Dakota by the Stereophonics?
This time it's worse. I like the new Franz Ferdinand song, I know it's crap but I can't help it.
If this trend continues I'll be reading Smash Hits magazine before the year is out.
I'm worried.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-05 02:57:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by phuzzygish (user info) at 2005-09-01 14:40:20 (#)
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The Germans lost??
Ah shit. Now I owe somebody 50 bucks.
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Whoa! He's back!!!
Submitted by phuzzygish (user info) at 2005-09-01 14:40:20 EDT (#)
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The Germans lost??
Ah shit. Now I owe somebody 50 bucks.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-01 09:03:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-01 08:43:59 (#)
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You know exactly what I mean you gangrenous tramps japs eye.
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You personal prostitute to said Tramp.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-01 08:43:59 EDT (#)
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You know exactly what I mean you gangrenous tramps japs eye.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-01 08:11:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-01 07:52:02 (#)
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"Trash compactor" Eurgh! You're turning into a septic.
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A sceptor? Like a posh wand?, or a skeptic like I don't believe how ugly you are? What are you trying to say old chum(p)?
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-01 07:52:02 EDT (#)
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"Trash compactor" Eurgh! You're turning into a septic.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-01 07:23:31 EDT (#)
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Well said, god bless us all. +2's for everybody!
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-01 06:47:17 EDT (#)
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Without America the original fighters would have never won the war. The Germans and Japanese would have been too powerful without British resistance.
Without Russian resistance Britain would have been easily overpowered.
Without ANZAC help, the British would have never stopped Rommel from taking the oilfields and thus tipping the tide of war substantially into nazi hands.
The Americans can probably take the majority of credit for the Pacific (though, their job would have been a hell of a lot harder without the initial Dutch/British/Australian resistance in SE Asia). And they could have never beaten both Japan and Germany without help from the British and Russians...
If you want to know who won the war, it was the Allies. End of story.
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-09-01 06:22:24 EDT (#)
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Good review, I'm impressed. An interesting thought occurs, if the popular opinion is that we won (we being either America or Britain) then eventually over many years that will become the belief held by everybody won't it?
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Possibly - but kids have always been taught the simplistic version at school (for pretty much everything) and there are still those of us that take it further and get closer to the truth... I don't think this will be any different.
However, it does leave the majority of the American populace under the impression that America won the war, which is hardly a good thing. From what I've seen recently, British teaching in this subject, at least, is now more complex, but I have seen an overwhelming anti-American bias in some areas which isn't justified, and there is still an overemphasis on the British involvement, but I suppose in some ways that is understandable. However, I think it contributes to the American world attitude now, the consequences of which are apparent. It also contributes to that peculiar sense of British 'superiority' in the same way - with lesser consequences but similar ones.
However, I live in hope - I was taught nonsense at school and had to relearn it, so why should future students be any different?
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-01 05:58:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-01 05:42:37 (#)
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Don't "matey" me, you irrelevant pustule.
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Don't irrelevant pustule me, matey!
Anyway trash compactor face, when are you going to post something?
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-01 05:42:37 EDT (#)
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Don't "matey" me, you irrelevant pustule.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-01 05:15:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-01 03:33:48 (#)
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Next target 100 reviews?
BTW you appear to have accidentally spelt that nice new fellows name wrong, you've actually spelt a bad word! LOLZ!
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Almost there matey. I have not spelt any bad words though, that's the guys birthname on account of his penis-fingers. He changed it in later years.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-01 05:13:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-09-01 04:34:05 (#)
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Far fetched? Yes. My Belief? Definitely not. Again, I'm just spouting nonsense to prove the point; no one really knows what happened, media coverage back then was a) awful, and b) manipulated by the government. The government of every country ever in the history of mankind has lied to the general public to protect us. 2 questions, what are they protecting us from? And who gave them the right to keep it from us?
I'm sure the history buffs and propaganda students will argue to the death that I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't, but know this: I'm laughing at you. If you weren't there then you don't know any better than I do, worst of all you assume your knowledge as truth because you've been taught it.
Who's pulling the strings?
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Right. I'm a historian. Not a history 'buff,' but a proper historian - the kind that sits in dusty archives looking at crap no normal person ever knew existed... and then writes boring papers and books no normal person would read... well... I'll write the paper in a year or two.
The reason you're taught a simplistic explanation of the victors of WW2 whilst you're at school is because the reality of the situation is complicated - too much so for kids, I believe. Moreover, there is no one right answer to this question, so it's inevitable that kids will be taught that their country was the most instrumental in winning (however - I wasn't... but then I was 15 before we did WW2, and more able to cope with the complicated answer!) because it fosters both a sense of pride in one's nation and its easier than spending weeks on the last months of the war, trying to get to a conclusion.
It's a little different at British Universities - where the answer is your own depending on the research you've done, and most answers are valid - except the 'America won the war alone,' or 'Britain won because of Barnes Wallis's Bouncing Bombs,' because it was NOT as simple as that. Any cause or causes can be highlighted over the others but you have to recognise that they are ALL important, in some way.
More importantly - the sources Historians use for research are rarely media sources - but governmental sources located in archives and not generally open to the general public. Yes, the media was under governmental control, but what they didn't want the populace (and the enemy) to read is located in an archive/library/personal collection somewhere, you just have to look for it. Most 'political' historians will avoid media sources for their bias and lack of reliability...
Additionally, you'll find that as time passess, histories of any event become more inclusive, 'accurate' and believeable, as more sources are found, and the personal and emotional impact of the events dissipates, allowing a level of impartiality not possible when the events are still relatively fresh. Most would say you need either 100 years or a distinct change in the era (we're still in the post WW2 era, influenced by it's consequences, for example, but we're past the 'Communist' era, and are now in the 'Post Communist,' etc) for an impartial view to start to emerge - anythis less can still fall under the gamut of politics or current affairs. Some would argue that it's ALL current affairs, as the consquences of every historical act impact on our lives daily. I suscribe to the first, but choose your own interpretation.
At the end of the day though, if you claim any single event/country/technology etc won WW2, you are ALWAYS going to be wrong.
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Good review, I'm impressed. An interesting thought occurs, if the popular opinion is that we won (we being either America or Britain) then eventually over many years that will become the belief held by everybody won't it?
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-09-01 04:34:05 EDT (#)
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Far fetched? Yes. My Belief? Definitely not. Again, I'm just spouting nonsense to prove the point; no one really knows what happened, media coverage back then was a) awful, and b) manipulated by the government. The government of every country ever in the history of mankind has lied to the general public to protect us. 2 questions, what are they protecting us from? And who gave them the right to keep it from us?
I'm sure the history buffs and propaganda students will argue to the death that I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't, but know this: I'm laughing at you. If you weren't there then you don't know any better than I do, worst of all you assume your knowledge as truth because you've been taught it.
Who's pulling the strings?
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Right. I'm a historian. Not a history 'buff,' but a proper historian - the kind that sits in dusty archives looking at crap no normal person ever knew existed... and then writes boring papers and books no normal person would read... well... I'll write the paper in a year or two.
The reason you're taught a simplistic explanation of the victors of WW2 whilst you're at school is because the reality of the situation is complicated - too much so for kids, I believe. Moreover, there is no one right answer to this question, so it's inevitable that kids will be taught that their country was the most instrumental in winning (however - I wasn't... but then I was 15 before we did WW2, and more able to cope with the complicated answer!) because it fosters both a sense of pride in one's nation and its easier than spending weeks on the last months of the war, trying to get to a conclusion.
It's a little different at British Universities - where the answer is your own depending on the research you've done, and most answers are valid - except the 'America won the war alone,' or 'Britain won because of Barnes Wallis's Bouncing Bombs,' because it was NOT as simple as that. Any cause or causes can be highlighted over the others but you have to recognise that they are ALL important, in some way.
More importantly - the sources Historians use for research are rarely media sources - but governmental sources located in archives and not generally open to the general public. Yes, the media was under governmental control, but what they didn't want the populace (and the enemy) to read is located in an archive/library/personal collection somewhere, you just have to look for it. Most 'political' historians will avoid media sources for their bias and lack of reliability...
Additionally, you'll find that as time passess, histories of any event become more inclusive, 'accurate' and believeable, as more sources are found, and the personal and emotional impact of the events dissipates, allowing a level of impartiality not possible when the events are still relatively fresh. Most would say you need either 100 years or a distinct change in the era (we're still in the post WW2 era, influenced by it's consequences, for example, but we're past the 'Communist' era, and are now in the 'Post Communist,' etc) for an impartial view to start to emerge - anythis less can still fall under the gamut of politics or current affairs. Some would argue that it's ALL current affairs, as the consquences of every historical act impact on our lives daily. I suscribe to the first, but choose your own interpretation.
At the end of the day though, if you claim any single event/country/technology etc won WW2, you are ALWAYS going to be wrong.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-09-01 03:33:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Next target 100 reviews?
BTW you appear to have accidentally spelt that nice new fellows name wrong, you've actually spelt a bad word! LOLZ!
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-09-01 02:55:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wileyfinger (user info) at 2005-08-31 04:22:07 (#)
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"I'm just spouting nonsense to prove the point; no one really knows what happened, media coverage back then was a) awful, and b) manipulated by the government"
It sounds like you are arguing that our media coverage has improved since then?? A)it is still awful, so much so that the winner of Big Brother takes the fucking front page of newspapers and the headlines of the nightly news. B)If you think the media is not manipulated by the government you couldnt be more wrong. We see what they want us to see, whatever moves the popular opinion in thier favor.
P.S. grow some balls and have pride in your own country. i lived in the U.S. for 8 years and i had to hear enough of that "they won the war" bullshit when i was over there. Take into consideration the 3 years that England and France spent fighting Hitler before the U.S. got involved, or the devastation that Europe was in after the last war. The U.S. did an amazing job but without the combined efforts of the allies we'd all look like Nick Carter.
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Shut the Fuck up Willy-finger you stupid fucking N00b! Your addled brain completely missed the point of this genius post. If you ever minus2 me again I'll threaten you over the Internet you clumsy fuck
Submitted by wileyfinger (user info) at 2005-08-31 04:22:07 EDT (#)
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"I'm just spouting nonsense to prove the point; no one really knows what happened, media coverage back then was a) awful, and b) manipulated by the government"
It sounds like you are arguing that our media coverage has improved since then?? A)it is still awful, so much so that the winner of Big Brother takes the fucking front page of newspapers and the headlines of the nightly news. B)If you think the media is not manipulated by the government you couldnt be more wrong. We see what they want us to see, whatever moves the popular opinion in thier favor.
P.S. grow some balls and have pride in your own country. i lived in the U.S. for 8 years and i had to hear enough of that "they won the war" bullshit when i was over there. Take into consideration the 3 years that England and France spent fighting Hitler before the U.S. got involved, or the devastation that Europe was in after the last war. The U.S. did an amazing job but without the combined efforts of the allies we'd all look like Nick Carter.
Submitted by stevie_says (user info) at 2005-08-31 03:52:43 EDT (#)
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If Alexander hadn't conquered the Persians, Iraq would be the centre of the world.
Think about THAT one.
Huh huh uh uh uhhuhuhuhuhu?
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-31 03:49:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 10:48:58 (#)
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I reckon this post will be another 4 figure number thanks to the power of camping. Thankyou Baden Powell, thankyou.
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At time of writing you're still 5 short.
This should fix it.
NUDGE.
You owe me.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 11:05:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phate (user info) at 2005-08-30 10:56:13 (#)
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No Comment
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STFU Noob!
Submitted by Phate (user info) at 2005-08-30 10:56:13 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 10:48:58 EDT (#)
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I reckon this post will be another 4 figure number thanks to the power of camping. Thankyou Baden Powell, thankyou.
Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2005-08-30 10:31:35 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 10:13:33 EDT (#)
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Emo tears.
<sniff>
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 09:26:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 09:21:05 (#)
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<weeps>
I'm so sad.
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Sad that you're bottom is so empty, it needs a spiky bushel protuding from the entrance or it cries emo tears.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 09:21:05 EDT (#)
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<weeps>
I'm so sad.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 08:50:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 08:33:29 (#)
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You miss understand. I didn't want to be thrown in the hedge.
It was a drunken side effect.
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Listen man, if you've got a penchant for being thrown in bushes then that's your perogative, just don't expect to drag me into this seedy little fantasy land of being prickled and pushed about!
Drunken side effect indeed.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 08:33:29 EDT (#)
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You miss understand. I didn't want to be thrown in the hedge.
It was a drunken side effect.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 08:10:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:54:21 (#)
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Yeah will be sure to come up for one (not this Friday though).
I fell off of a train at Reading station and got thrown in a hedge the next day by fat paul. I'm covered in cuts and bruises and have had pin and needles in my fingers for two days.
Good time though.
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You fucking sissy. If you'd come to Derby you would have got to play on a big manly bouncy castle. I proved my mettle by running the wrong way up the bouncy slide! I was a hero to 6 kids and about 20 adults!!!1! Beat that sissy hedge-man.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:54:21 EDT (#)
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Yeah will be sure to come up for one (not this Friday though).
I fell off of a train at Reading station and got thrown in a hedge the next day by fat paul. I'm covered in cuts and bruises and have had pin and needles in my fingers for two days.
Good time though.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:46:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:41:17 (#)
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Reading was cool, sorry for not managing to get to Derby though. Will do next time.
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You didn't miss much, it was my works summer barbecue and only a handful of cool people turned up, we wound up playing to a bunch of little kids (who loved it) and their parents (who pretended to love it). I did however get horribly drunk to the point I forgot how to play my own songs, which was nice.
The big ones on Friday, we're headlining a big venue (big for Derby anyway), but there's plenty others after that if you can get the time off to come.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:42:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:23:24 (#)
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My granddad told them to fuck off and not come back until Coronation Street had finished. They never came back. He had a mean stare.
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I remeber it well- he was a good man, and a great friend. Let him know little Jonny says hi.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:41:17 EDT (#)
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Reading was cool, sorry for not managing to get to Derby though. Will do next time.
Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:23:24 EDT (#)
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My granddad told them to fuck off and not come back until Coronation Street had finished. They never came back. He had a mean stare.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 07:19:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 06:20:08 (#)
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Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 03:57:31 (#)
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I hate Erasure, Stupid 80's pap.
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You love Jimmy Somerville though don't you, you big ghey.
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Not as much as you like a cock in the eye. How was Reading?
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2005-08-30 06:20:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 03:57:31 (#)
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I hate Erasure, Stupid 80's pap.
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You love Jimmy Somerville though don't you, you big ghey.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 03:57:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-08-30 03:47:55 (#)
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But I thought we were always at war with Eurasia...
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I hate Erasure, Stupid 80's pap.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-08-30 03:47:55 EDT (#)
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But I thought we were always at war with Eurasia...
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-30 03:30:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lindzo41 (user info) at 2005-08-29 10:53:07 (#)
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Hey Paul, interesting post. Not really clear on your point. Maybe "Hilter winning would be a good thing?" Or is it "We can't judge history because we weren't there?" or is it that "alagrusa is just a plain ignorant stupid American?" Seeing as how I'm not really sure I won't go into debate mode or anything. But I would like to ask a question for anyone to comment on. First of all, while your idea of a whole german world may seem pleasant, (because there would be no racism, everyone would speak one language, no wars, etc)how many people do you think would actually want that? I don't think we need to make the world a boring place by wiping out different cultures and making everyone look the same. Boring!! Not to mention all our kids would always look the same and it would probably create havoc in the process of evolution..... but it got me thinking....why do we need the whole world to be the same just so we wouldn't have racism and wars. Can't we acheive that without all becoming the same person?
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The post was really "without being there you can't ever 100% know what really happened", and a little of "I wonder what the world would have been like if...". The post started out as a jab at that alragusa guy, so I guess it was a bit of all three.
As for whether I think the world can eventually come together without us all being one race I think probably not because the world is such an ignorant evil place. I don't even really believe that having just one Aryan race would work, we'd still fight with each other because we're human beings. One thing I do believe is that eventually (over a thousand years) if the human race doesn't wipe itself out then through breeding there will be no such thing as race anyway.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-08-29 18:31:16 EDT (#)
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There's a good book called 'Fatherland' that goes over this...
Submitted by lindzo41 (user info) at 2005-08-29 10:53:07 EDT (#)
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Hey Paul, interesting post. Not really clear on your point. Maybe "Hilter winning would be a good thing?" Or is it "We can't judge history because we weren't there?" or is it that "alagrusa is just a plain ignorant stupid American?" Seeing as how I'm not really sure I won't go into debate mode or anything. But I would like to ask a question for anyone to comment on. First of all, while your idea of a whole german world may seem pleasant, (because there would be no racism, everyone would speak one language, no wars, etc)how many people do you think would actually want that? I don't think we need to make the world a boring place by wiping out different cultures and making everyone look the same. Boring!! Not to mention all our kids would always look the same and it would probably create havoc in the process of evolution..... but it got me thinking....why do we need the whole world to be the same just so we wouldn't have racism and wars. Can't we acheive that without all becoming the same person?
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-29 04:40:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Natsukau (user info) at 2005-08-28 12:45:41 (#)
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I can't tell if you're retarded, or British. In any case, the possibility of being retarded saved you a -2.
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STFU n00b
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-29 04:39:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-08-28 13:10:17 (#)
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mrwolf said:
"You can't assume what you have been told to be the truth to be ture unless you wewre there, for a start everyone percieves the truth diferently. You either missed what I was driving at or you are naive."
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Kinda blows the shit out of a jury believing or disbelieving
testimony. Was OJ guilty? I wasn't there. Did Ted Bundy
kill all those women? I wasn't there.
One cannot be at every event in history. What the fuck do we believe?
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No offence to anyone that doesn't get it, but what the fuck? This is exactly my point. You can't ever be 100% sure about anything unless you were there and that's what a small portion of the post is about. I was more concerned with what the world may have been like had Hitler won the war, but that sadly went almost completely unnoticed.
So in reply to "what the fuck do we believe?" you can believe whatever the hell you like, whether you think OJ killed that woman or not, whether you look at all the evidence and make an educated decision, or if you just go with what everyone else says having never viewed any evidence neither belief can be trusted 100% because you weren't there.
People are so closed minded when it comes to stuff like this, I really don't understand how anyone can disagree with what I said.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-08-28 21:24:58 EDT (#)
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Interesting concept.
Something to ponder!
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-08-28 13:10:17 EDT (#)
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mrwolf said:
"You can't assume what you have been told to be the truth to be ture unless you wewre there, for a start everyone percieves the truth diferently. You either missed what I was driving at or you are naive."
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Kinda blows the shit out of a jury believing or disbelieving
testimony. Was OJ guilty? I wasn't there. Did Ted Bundy
kill all those women? I wasn't there.
One cannot be at every event in history. What the fuck do we believe?
Submitted by Natsukau (user info) at 2005-08-28 12:45:41 EDT (#)
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I can't tell if you're retarded, or British. In any case, the possibility of being retarded saved you a -2.
Submitted by Mister (user info) at 2005-08-27 18:44:11 EDT (#)
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I will give you this, (and sorry, I forgot to do so earlier) we do not know exactly WHAT HItleer would have done, had all that I previously mentioned had happened.
Surely, he would have then probably turned toward Russia again, and maybe in the long run, over 10-15 years, Russia would have retaken Europe from the Germans, but then communism would rule the day.
What really worries me, is that no matter WHO would have had control of Europe, they'd have become the main American enemy in war, and nukes would have been used on European soil.
THAT is the only thing I can say would have DEFINATLY happened had Hitler won.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 18:19:58 EDT (#)
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wondered when someone notice my made up word
Submitted by Amusingly_shaped_semen_stain (user info) at 2005-08-27 18:17:33 EDT (#)
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"ignoramii"
+2 for perfect grammar
"...and we both drive Lexii."
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 18:09:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:47:33 (#)
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but mister! the studies you have conducted may have contained false information, more importantly they lacked information. like Englands flying saucer fighter, which is actually what saved the UK from the German Luftwaffe. The lend/lease program is capitalist lies!
Okay, I'm done joking. And we weren't really arguing about statistics here. I'm pretty sure we were arguing on what grounds is it okay to have a strong opinion about history. Am I right, or am I right?
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Not really the intention of the post. the original intention was to have something to refer to when people say "you'd be speaking german".... Maybe that isn;t that strong an argument I thought, what if they had won? Seeing as they didn;t we will never know whether in the long run the bad guys winning might have improved the human race (from an objective point of view of course)... The anti-media aspect was an afterthought, but a valid one I thought.
I appreciate the extra positive D-Prime, I do spend time proof reading and editing to ensure my point is as clear as I can make it, I often get misunderstood which can be dissapointing
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:53:53 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:53:50 EDT (#)
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Okay, I just read this a second time, and realized that the only reason I made it a 0 was because of the impact of contrasting my original rating; I didn't consider the quality of what I usually give a 0. Have a 1.something.
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:47:33 EDT (#)
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but mister! the studies you have conducted may have contained false information, more importantly they lacked information. like Englands flying saucer fighter, which is actually what saved the UK from the German Luftwaffe. The lend/lease program is capitalist lies!
Okay, I'm done joking. And we weren't really arguing about statistics here. I'm pretty sure we were arguing on what grounds is it okay to have a strong opinion about history. Am I right, or am I right?
Submitted by Mister (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:40:11 EDT (#)
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If I may interject a bit on this, mainly because I *have* studied the European Theater for quite a long time.
If the United States did not begin Lend/Lease to England in late 1939/early 1940, Germany would have over-run Europe. Until Pearl Harbor, Americans were something like 84% OPPOSED to going to war in ANY theater, and AFTER Pearl Harbor, while they were almost unanimous in fighting Japan, a still staggering 71% of Americans STILL didn't want to enter the War in Europe.
Why did America FINALLY go to war with Germany on Dec 11th, 1941?
Hitler declaired war on the US. Not the other way around.
True Fact: More Americans in 1942 were worried about the "5th column" element of COMMUNISM than were worried about ANYTHING about Nazism or Fascism.
Remember, during the early stages of the war, Russia AND Germany were PEACE PARTNERS. Stalin was more than happy with this arrangement, until Hitler broke the accord and attacked in 1939/1940, and after the fall of Stalingrad, he was STILL more than willing to reforge the peace, leaving England as the only German enemy.
Long story short?
If the American government had listened to popular opinion during 1941 and not entered the European Theater, Russia wouldn't have had the little fly buzzing in their ear to stay in the war. And without that front, there is no way... NO WAY Europe would have survived.
Without American tanks/trucks/weapons/ammunition/men, there is no way England could havemounted any sort of a cross-channel offensive, even in the Straights of Dover, and eventually (again, without that Russian Front) Germany would have swarmed over the channel, and it would have been D-Day in reverse.
But then again, what do I know, I've only studied the war for more years than just about anyone here from an in-depth, non-biased point of work.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:31:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:25:51 (#)
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Actually, when you take the time to sit down and talk to a soldier, they don't throw their opinions at you about the war they took part in like a politician. When you're finally finished talking about the subject of war, the general feeling you get from them is "I'm glad its over, I'm glad I made it" not "Germany lost because of x and y".
Whats beatiful about it, is to them it is not history. It is their life. It was something they experienced, not something to be argued about. Its our generation that does the arguing.
So, to answer your question, my opinion on the war is not a carbon copy of my relatives. When talking to them, I don't get responses that read like a text book. I get real life experiences, raw stuff. Raw stuff that I proccess myself.
I think what you're saying is, their stories are irrelevant even if first hand because everyone percieves everything differently. Tell me if I'm wrong, but thats what I'm getting from you. And if thats what you're saying, than I must say that is bullshit.
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not at all... I could listen to my grandads stories all day. Doesn't mean that I believe the bigger picture the media has told me. I don't know if Britain won the war or not anymore because despite the fact my teachings tell me we did , I have heard otherwise since.
You'll find a lot of my posts are about not trusting anything I read, and not taking for granted the truth behind what I hear
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:26:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:22:49 (#)
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Has someone finally got internet at home??
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had it for months... were having a quiet one in front of the tv so figured I'd reply to stuff whilst were watching. Jenny's been reading your stuff
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:25:51 EDT (#)
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Actually, when you take the time to sit down and talk to a soldier, they don't throw their opinions at you about the war they took part in like a politician. When you're finally finished talking about the subject of war, the general feeling you get from them is "I'm glad its over, I'm glad I made it" not "Germany lost because of x and y".
Whats beatiful about it, is to them it is not history. It is their life. It was something they experienced, not something to be argued about. Its our generation that does the arguing.
So, to answer your question, my opinion on the war is not a carbon copy of my relatives. When talking to them, I don't get responses that read like a text book. I get real life experiences, raw stuff. Raw stuff that I proccess myself.
I think what you're saying is, their stories are irrelevant even if first hand because everyone percieves everything differently. Tell me if I'm wrong, but thats what I'm getting from you. And if thats what you're saying, than I must say that is bullshit.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:22:49 EDT (#)
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Has someone finally got internet at home??
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:16:12 EDT (#)
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didn't think you would geezer
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:13:11 EDT (#)
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accidental plus two, my friend.
that was not by any means surrender.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:13:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:11:00 (#)
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Way to categorize me as a flag waving overzealous American. I never credit America with winning the war. We certainly helped, but many other nations did also. I'd credit Germany for allowing the Allies to win before I'd credit America for winning the war.
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and their opinion? The same I guess
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:11:00 EDT (#)
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Way to categorize me as a flag waving overzealous American. I never credit America with winning the war. We certainly helped, but many other nations did also. I'd credit Germany for allowing the Allies to win before I'd credit America for winning the war.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 17:04:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 16:59:21 (#)
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I don't have a first hand account, that is no reason to throw up my arms and say "fuck history".
Historians generally didn't experience the area they are covering. They do this thing called research. And your views on research are quite scary. "I aint learnin' bout the past cause that darn government don gone covered everything up!". Oddly enough, when you talk to the people who experienced WW2, you will find out that they didn't buy into the whole "Japenese are blood thirsty baby eaters" posters and they didn't think every German was a Nazi bent on enslaving the world.
People are not mindless sheep. Propaganda, sure it manipulates some folks. You just have to do some sifting and find the gems who are unnaffected by it.
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Let me prove my point, who won the war according to your relatives? And who won the war according to you? I bet they're one and the same, yet I bet there are researches and historians that disagree with all three of you. You weren't there, you don't know, you assume you've been told the truth by what is by all accounts a reliable source. I wonder how many reliable sources told the American government that there were weapons of mass destruction in the east? How many they found? Zero.
You can't assume what you have been told to be the truth to be ture unless you wewre there, for a start everyone percieves the truth diferently. You either missed what I was driving at or you are naive.
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 16:59:21 EDT (#)
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I don't have a first hand account, that is no reason to throw up my arms and say "fuck history".
Historians generally didn't experience the area they are covering. They do this thing called research. And your views on research are quite scary. "I aint learnin' bout the past cause that darn government don gone covered everything up!". Oddly enough, when you talk to the people who experienced WW2, you will find out that they didn't buy into the whole "Japenese are blood thirsty baby eaters" posters and they didn't think every German was a Nazi bent on enslaving the world.
People are not mindless sheep. Propaganda, sure it manipulates some folks. You just have to do some sifting and find the gems who are unnaffected by it.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 16:41:42 EDT (#)
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sure, their opinions not in any way biased. my point still stands you don't have a first hand account... looks like that stellar iq didn't get handed down
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2005-08-27 16:31:58 EDT (#)
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I think my thoughts on WW2 are thought out quite nicely, thank you very much. My grandfather had the highest IQ in the Air Corps during the time, and I was fortunate enough to have heard such an insightful first hand account on the war.
I've talked to my great uncle about the war. But then again what does he know, he was just in the 101st and made all the jumps. I'm sure his views are skewered from propaganda. And I guess my grandfather, a Sgt in the infantry, was just another brainwashed mindless monkey.
And I suppose the Nazi code breaker who fought on the eastern front, that I eat with lunch with, was just another brainless grunt. I mean, he only had a degree in engineering from one of Germany's finest universities. And, it doesn't matter that only about a dozen men made it through his class of training in codebreaking. I bet his opinions on the war are very uninformed.
Seriously folks, just because you weren't there doesn't mean you can't know what happened. You can learn that, and come close to understanding. It takes a bit more than reading an Ambrose book, but its easier than you think.
If we all adopt attitude like "Well I wasn't alive then, guess I'll never know what happened", we will certainly fail as a race.
Go talk to a veteran damn't.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 15:59:28 EDT (#)
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was just dissapointed to see a +2 turn into a 0 is all. Never mind, no hard feelings
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-08-27 15:55:21 EDT (#)
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The -2 was to cancel out the +2. I can't argue with a generalization like 'every thing recently.'
Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-08-27 15:18:12 EDT (#)
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I bet Hitler was pissed the Japanese refused to declare war on Russia after he declared war on America
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 15:08:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-08-27 14:19:52 (#)
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Just read this: 0.
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Did you not read it first? I thought you were alright, I must have got you mixed up with someone else, everything I've seen come out your mouth recently has been garbage.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-08-27 14:19:52 EDT (#)
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Just read this: 0.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-08-27 14:18:16 EDT (#)
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I love the USA, but you're right, they didn't save Europe single-handedly.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2005-08-27 14:15:28 EDT (#)
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Sheer beauty.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-08-27 13:55:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-08-27 13:35:03 (#)
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No, bubba...but lets not have that argument here.
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Another time, maybe.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-08-27 13:35:03 EDT (#)
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No, bubba...but lets not have that argument here.
Submitted by tinactin (user info) at 2005-08-27 13:34:29 EDT (#)
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I'm singlehandedly responsible for stopping Hitler. You probably dont believe me. I guess you just had to be there.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-08-27 13:26:06 EDT (#)
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Hitler had to be pissed at Japan. If they would have held
off bombing Pearl Harbor for another 6 months, Germany would
have had such a foothold in Europe it would have been almost
impossible to regain the advantage.
Submitted by Draqus (user info) at 2005-08-27 12:49:51 EDT (#)
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This doesn't need a comment to make the point any more succint or well-put.
Submitted by ArtificialInsanity (user info) at 2005-08-27 12:27:19 EDT (#)
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Nah, Hitler's dead. Elvis shot him right in the throat.
Submitted by sebcharrot (user info) at 2005-08-27 11:43:27 EDT (#)
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Shit, +2
Submitted by sebcharrot (user info) at 2005-08-27 11:42:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:45:24 (#)
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Submitted by sebcharrot (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:43:48 (#)
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It's pointless trying to argue with americans about the second world war, because they just won't listen about the statistics.
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I beg to differ, shithead.
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Actually, I apologise for saying that. What I meant was it's pointless arguing with the ignorant masses about it. I do realise most Americans on here are amongst the more intelligent.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-08-27 11:19:10 EDT (#)
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ETS I admire you for standing up for yourself- it's the sort of thing I would have done too, and the reason I am glad that I don't have either of us in any of my classes now.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-08-27 11:09:48 EDT (#)
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What can I say....I was a rebel.
I was never the most popular, but everyone knew who I was. I was that 'crazy fucker' who would scream out in the cafeteria just to watch the entire room of 500 or so students fall into utter silence for 10 seconds while they stared at me with mouths agape.
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2005-08-27 11:07:03 EDT (#)
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A good portion of the time, we were given the facts about our history...even some of the uglier parts, such as our treatment of Indians and the slave trade. Most was very sober and candid.
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Yep, and let's not forget our self-bashing for putting our Japanese-American citizens in camps.
Or of most of our collective revulsion towards groups like the KKK.
Or our self-hatred for the forced labor we incurred upon the Chinese building the railroads.
The truth is, anybody you find arguing with you about "America is #1," or "We won the war for you!" or any of that shit-infested fungus is most likely a suburban teen without a brain nor clue, so why bother arguing with a dipshit in the first place?
Personally there are many many many things I love and HATE about the USA, my home, but the fact remains that I'm just human, of European descent, and I'm no different than any other human alive in that I want family, food, safety and shelter.
Beyond that....
Peace.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 11:04:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-08-27 11:00:10 (#)
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"Can anyone point out a good reason that American children should continue to say the pledge?"
No, I can't.
When I was in the 9th grade, I stopped standing and reciting the pledge of allegiance. I was the only one in my class. While everyone else stood and half-heartedly spouted a nationalistically-brainwashing poem that meant nothing to them, I refused. My homeroom teacher at the time, Mrs. Fraise tried to FORCE me to stand and say the pledge. She kept me after class and tried to explain to me why I needed to say it. I told her exactly why I felt like I didn't and told her I never would again, so if she wanted to martyr me or have me suspended, I'm sure there would be people out there who might find that story interesting... Needless to say, I won that argument.
I continued to sit as all the others stood and frowned upon me.
"I was taught at school that England won the war with the bouncing bombs, Americans are clearly taught something very different."
Actually, looking back, our view of the history of WWII is a fairly balanced one to be honest. I don't know where a lot of these sheltered and one-sided ideas come from other than patriotic pride. I know from watching the Dicovery and History Channels now that a lot of things were't EXACTLY true that they taught us in school, but a lot of that is based on perception.
A good portion of the time, we were given the facts about our history...even some of the uglier parts, such as our treatment of Indians and the slave trade. Most was very sober and candid.
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I think my respect for you may well have just doubled. Most impressed.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-08-27 11:00:10 EDT (#)
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"Can anyone point out a good reason that American children should continue to say the pledge?"
No, I can't.
When I was in the 9th grade, I stopped standing and reciting the pledge of allegiance. I was the only one in my class. While everyone else stood and half-heartedly spouted a nationalistically-brainwashing poem that meant nothing to them, I refused. My homeroom teacher at the time, Mrs. Fraise tried to FORCE me to stand and say the pledge. She kept me after class and tried to explain to me why I needed to say it. I told her exactly why I felt like I didn't and told her I never would again, so if she wanted to martyr me or have me suspended, I'm sure there would be people out there who might find that story interesting... Needless to say, I won that argument.
I continued to sit as all the others stood and frowned upon me.
"I was taught at school that England won the war with the bouncing bombs, Americans are clearly taught something very different."
Actually, looking back, our view of the history of WWII is a fairly balanced one to be honest. I don't know where a lot of these sheltered and one-sided ideas come from other than patriotic pride. I know from watching the Dicovery and History Channels now that a lot of things were't EXACTLY true that they taught us in school, but a lot of that is based on perception.
A good portion of the time, we were given the facts about our history...even some of the uglier parts, such as our treatment of Indians and the slave trade. Most was very sober and candid.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:54:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by sebcharrot (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:43:48 (#)
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It's pointless trying to argue with americans about the second world war, because they just won't listen about the statistics.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/58612
If you read this you'll see some interesting points.
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I think what I was trying to say was that it's pointless arguing about it full stop.
I wish I could push a button that would make everyone realise that it doesn't really matter who won the thing, the thing we should take away from war is that it sucked last time and it will suck everytime we have one and therefore let's not have anymore.
Course there'll always be someone who'll forget and start a war, and there'll always be some country that'll step up to the plate.
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:45:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by sebcharrot (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:43:48 (#)
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It's pointless trying to argue with americans about the second world war, because they just won't listen about the statistics.
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I beg to differ, shithead.
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:44:06 EDT (#)
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"Wherever you have an efficient government you have a dictatorship." - Harry Truman
"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." - Oliver Cromwell
Submitted by sebcharrot (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:43:48 EDT (#)
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It's pointless trying to argue with americans about the second world war, because they just won't listen about the statistics.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/58612
If you read this you'll see some interesting points.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:35:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:32:17 (#)
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Sense? On a saturday? STOCK UP ON WATER AND BEANS, THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!
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*Awooga Awooga*
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:32:17 EDT (#)
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Sense? On a saturday? STOCK UP ON WATER AND BEANS, THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:28:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:21:29 (#)
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HOLY. SHIT.
You've just done what I had previously thought impossible. An open minded political post, with excess humor, and all around insane tasty goodness.
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This was what I was aiming for.
sorry it had more than you wanted jose, not sure why that's a bad thing? There wasn't a great deal more I could say about what the Aryan race would have possibly been like, and the post wouldn;t have had much of a purpose without the rest of the details.
Submitted by RandomJose (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:22:34 EDT (#)
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I thought this was good and thought-provoking... until you turned it into something it shouldn't have been. Yes we are all sheep. I wanted to read more about the paradise of one world/one country.
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:21:29 EDT (#)
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HOLY. SHIT.
You've just done what I had previously thought impossible. An open minded political post, with excess humor, and all around insane tasty goodness.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:20:48 EDT (#)
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Come on Rad - Dambusters' March!
This was weird, I don't know where you were trying to go with this.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:20:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:13:30 (#)
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Why the fuck am I awake right now?
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Drugs?
It is the weekend, course I have no idea what time it is in America. It's mid afternoon here.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:20:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:57:42 (#)
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Bouncing bombs?
WTF?
Everyone knows that Franklin Rosevelt ran Hilter over with his wheelchair.
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i'm picturing the big lebowski scene where john goodman tips lebowski out of his wheelchair, but with roosevelt in his place.
damn, it sucks working saturdays.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS!
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:19:48 EDT (#)
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I'm gonna go get some breakfast and pretend that my food is Hitler.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:17:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:13:30 (#)
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Why the fuck am I awake right now?
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Actually, i'm not sure.
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:13:30 EDT (#)
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Why the fuck am I awake right now?
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:03:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:00:01 (#)
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"you could visit France and the people would all be friendly because they wouldn't be French and you wouldn't be in France."
We can always dream.
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he he he
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:01:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:57:42 (#)
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Bouncing bombs?
WTF?
Everyone knows that Franklin Rosevelt ran Hilter over with his wheelchair.
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Ha ha ha beautiful.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-08-27 10:00:01 EDT (#)
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"you could visit France and the people would all be friendly because they wouldn't be French and you wouldn't be in France."
We can always dream.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:57:42 EDT (#)
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Bouncing bombs?
WTF?
Everyone knows that Franklin Rosevelt ran Hilter over with his wheelchair.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:53:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:52:05 (#)
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I just got very very confused.
I'm supposed to be doing some work so instead I am looking at old uber posts. I have just read about 50 shit posts. I nearly fainted when I read this- I thought it was a good post from the past because I didn't remember clicking on it.
Horray for new uber!
There is a Phillip Roth Book based on this concept, it was very heavy going- I didn't get through it.
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That's a really nice compliment, thanks!
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:52:55 EDT (#)
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ah, I did this but infinitely worse.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:52:05 EDT (#)
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I just got very very confused.
I'm supposed to be doing some work so instead I am looking at old uber posts. I have just read about 50 shit posts. I nearly fainted when I read this- I thought it was a good post from the past because I didn't remember clicking on it.
Horray for new uber!
There is a Phillip Roth Book based on this concept, it was very heavy going- I didn't get through it.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-08-27 09:47:45 EDT (#)
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Tongue firmly in cheek.