An Open Letter to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (854 hits)
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Submitted by cocaine (View user info) at 2005-09-14 10:39:54 EDT
I saw a report in the New York Times yesterday about how Palestinians were jovial and outright giddy as they lurked around once-forbidden territories in Gaza. They enthusiastically walked over the trampled houses of former Israeli settlers and smiled gleefully as they said that 'this is only the beginning of the rebuilding of a new Palestinian State.'
I, sadly, must only but agree with that horrific statement. Giving Gaza to the Palestinian effort can be analogous to the United States giving Alaska back the Russians. While it might not be THE MOST important part of our country, we can still utilize its natural resources, it is still American turf and we want it that way.
Why give Gaza to the Palestinians, Prime Minister Sharon? Why? It sure as hell won't stop any of the bus bombings or innocent deaths. In fact, by giving Gaza to the Palestinians, you have given them a new hope that their success is indeed forthcoming. The move certainly does not further the "peace talks" along. Have you ever heard the expression, 'give them an inch and they'll take a mile?' It applies very well here.
Israel gave the entire Sinai Peninsula to the Egyptians in 1982 and now they have given the Palestinian State another Israeli territory.
This is not new news, indeed, but simply a concern for the future. I worry that all that the Israelis have worked for will one day be vanquished. I worry that the country my grand-parents fought so hard for will one day be run by those they promised to keep out. I worry that as the PLO gets larger, the threat to the United States becomes more and more intense. I worry when I see news footage of Israelis fighting T'zahal (Israeli army) so that they may stay in their homes. I worry that 5,000 years of history may be re-writing itself before our eyes.
As America rebuilds from Katrina, so must Israel from this debacle. There is much cleaning up to be done in these dark hours and I can only hope the future is as bright as the past.
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Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2005-09-14 16:58:03 EDT (#)
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Punim = face.
I'm good!
Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-14 16:49:20 EDT (#)
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"owned" = "haya ba'al"
"I owned your mom" = "Ha-iti ba'al ha'ima shelcha."
"JohnnyX needs to read and understand before opening his mouth" = "JohnnyX t'zarich likroh ve'mahvin lifnay hoo poteh'ach ha'peh sheloh."
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-09-14 16:19:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:01:00 (#)
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Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:23:18 (#)
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First of JMG: compromise? In order to compromise, you must be willing to give something up. The Isarelis gave up Gaza. What tangible thing did the Palestinians give up? Nothing. They told Sharon they'd shut up for a while. That's it.
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Um... Palestine. Don't forget that it belonged to them for almost a thousand years. The Ottoman Empire, etc.
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How do you say PWNED in Hebrew?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-14 15:43:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-09-14 15:27:45 (#)
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NRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Israel had established itself as a country with its own army and economy before it received "the bomb". And saying the only solution is all-out war, it's happened on more than one occasion, it's never been a solution in the past, that's why this fucktard is bitching about the gaza strip and the sinai peninsula. Meanwhile, to the other douche, Israel wasn't the only country to achieve anything in the middle east, that's a pretty fucking stupid thing to say.
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I said the only country to attain anything without oil, or oppressing the shit out of its people.
Please try and think of something Post Pyramids.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-09-14 15:27:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:14:15 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:57:57 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:30:44 (#)
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The only solution is all out war.
Not that I'd support the Jews if it ever came to that though.
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Yeah why would you support the only democracy in the middle east. Ok we know your feelings baout the value of Demacracy in the middle east.
How about the only country that has made anything out of itself in the last 2000 years in the middle east, without oil and crushing the rights of its citizens.
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Israel = Nothing. No money. No army. No democratic stability.
Israel + Billions of dollars drained from our economies by rich zionists = The Israel we know today. Nukes and all.
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NRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Israel had established itself as a country with its own army and economy before it received "the bomb". And saying the only solution is all-out war, it's happened on more than one occasion, it's never been a solution in the past, that's why this fucktard is bitching about the gaza strip and the sinai peninsula. Meanwhile, to the other douche, Israel wasn't the only country to achieve anything in the middle east, that's a pretty fucking stupid thing to say.
Submitted by WhatTheHell (user info) at 2005-09-14 15:23:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-09-14 10:43:30 (#)
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ok it's time to shut the fuck up now
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-14 14:55:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:44:42 (#)
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Another ultra-pro-jew retard.
The Israeli govenrment itsaid said there are no reasons whatsoever for only a handful of israelis to be surrounded by a million plus palestinians. There are no reasons for Israel to commit thousands of soldiers for a bunch of arrogant zealots.
Uncompromising idiots like you, on both the palestinian and isreali side, are the reason peace talks have repeatedly failed.
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This is why I didn't plus two this, but Israel not wanting to give back Gaza strip when the Palestenians repeadedly broke cease fires isn't really uncompromising.
They extended an enormous olive branch, hopefully it isn't used to beat them with.
Submitted by BattlePope (user info) at 2005-09-14 14:13:59 EDT (#)
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i'm quoting williamson on this one.
they do whatever the fuck they want, heck they can even nuke themselves to oblivion as long as i'm left alone to mansturbate to midget porn.
Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2005-09-14 14:01:47 EDT (#)
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MARKLAR
Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:52:40 EDT (#)
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It's apparent that you and I won't see eye to eye on this Caulaincourt. And that's cool. I'd like you to notice, though, that not once did I mention the word "jew." I'm talking about the State of Israel as a whole.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:45:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:01:20 (#)
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, sadly, must only but agree with that horrific statement"""
WHY THE FUCK IS THAT A HORRIFIC STATEMENT?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:44:42 EDT (#)
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Another ultra-pro-jew retard.
The Israeli govenrment itsaid said there are no reasons whatsoever for only a handful of israelis to be surrounded by a million plus palestinians. There are no reasons for Israel to commit thousands of soldiers for a bunch of arrogant zealots.
Uncompromising idiots like you, on both the palestinian and isreali side, are the reason peace talks have repeatedly failed.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:14:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:57:57 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:30:44 (#)
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The only solution is all out war.
Not that I'd support the Jews if it ever came to that though.
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Yeah why would you support the only democracy in the middle east. Ok we know your feelings baout the value of Demacracy in the middle east.
How about the only country that has made anything out of itself in the last 2000 years in the middle east, without oil and crushing the rights of its citizens.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Israel = Nothing. No money. No army. No democratic stability.
Israel + Billions of dollars drained from our economies by rich zionists = The Israel we know today. Nukes and all.
After years of propoganda by Jews about the evil Germans and their evil plots to Germanise their nation, I'm supposed to support Israel do basically the same thing? Perhaps the jews aren't genociding, but it's certainly ethnic and cultural cleansing of Israel.
So, y'know what? Fuck the jews. Fuck the arabs. If they want to kill eachother over some promises in ancient scriptures and you want to help, go right ahead. It's not my war and don't ask for my support.
Submitted by Quint (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:08:40 EDT (#)
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I say they fire Prime Minister Sharon and make Michael Jackson their new leader. PRIME MINISTER SHAMONE!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:01:20 EDT (#)
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, sadly, must only but agree with that horrific statement"""
WHY THE FUCK IS THAT A HORRIFIC STATEMENT?
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2005-09-14 12:01:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:23:18 (#)
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First of JMG: compromise? In order to compromise, you must be willing to give something up. The Isarelis gave up Gaza. What tangible thing did the Palestinians give up? Nothing. They told Sharon they'd shut up for a while. That's it.
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Um... Palestine. Don't forget that it belonged to them for almost a thousand years. The Ottoman Empire, etc.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:57:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:30:44 (#)
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The only solution is all out war.
Not that I'd support the Jews if it ever came to that though.
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Yeah why would you support the only democracy in the middle east. Ok we know your feelings baout the value of Demacracy in the middle east.
How about the only country that has made anything out of itself in the last 2000 years in the middle east, without oil and crushing the rights of its citizens.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:49:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:47:20 (#)
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What does a picture of myself have to do with anything, Tiger Lilly?
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It doesn't. It was a joke. Laugh! Har har.
Welcome!
Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:47:20 EDT (#)
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What does a picture of myself have to do with anything, Tiger Lilly?
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:34:28 EDT (#)
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I agree with you 100%
Now, post a picture of yourself.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:30:44 EDT (#)
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The only solution is all out war.
Not that I'd support the Jews if it ever came to that though.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:23:30 EDT (#)
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+4 for supporting Israel.
-2 because 'An open letter to prime' on MRR made me think this was about me.
Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:23:18 EDT (#)
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First of JMG: compromise? In order to compromise, you must be willing to give something up. The Isarelis gave up Gaza. What tangible thing did the Palestinians give up? Nothing. They told Sharon they'd shut up for a while. That's it.
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"Hey, I have an idea!"
"What's that?"
"Let's make a whole big mess about how we want a piece of land, close our ears to any opposition and keep whining and rioting until we get our way?!"
"Doesn't that seem a little childish?"
"Wellllll, yeah a bit, but we can make people sympathize with us by telling the media that it's THEM, not us, causing more harm than good."
"How will you do that? Isn't, um, you guys that are blowing people up?"
"..."
"..."
"I GOT IT! I'll tell them that we forced to make bombs of ourselves because our people are suffering and this might be the only means to an end."
"..."
"YEAH!"
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Obviously more complicated than that, but I'm just annoyed right now.
Submitted by jack11058 (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:11:42 EDT (#)
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I'd like to offer a new homeland to the palestinian people, right here in the u.s.
of course, it's still mostly underwater right now...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:09:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-09-14 10:47:34 (#)
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As for the "give an inch, they'll take a mile" sentiment, that's just bullshit. As we've already seen, they don't possess the capacity to do this. Their goals have always been clear - the Gaza Strip, all of the West Bank (I suspect it might be another 5 years before this is handed back as well) and part of Jerusalem as the capital.
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There goals arn't that clear. Many of them have a goal of wiping the Jews from the middle east, or from the world. But you are right it will give the people who want this fewer members.
Israel didn't just do this for a better relationship with palestinians. Turkey, Egypt, and Pakistan are recognizing, and normalizing their relationship with Israel because of moves like this. This will cut at the financial support that Hammas has been having. israel has already proven it is willing and wants to live in peace, it is time to see what the arab world wants.
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:05:09 EDT (#)
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I've always been a supporter of Israel, but from the Palestinian point of view, they're victims, too. It isn't wise to say, "It's our way or the highway." These are not faceless numbers... they are people, just like the Israelis, who were forced out of their homes and very livelihoods. Their lives also have meaning, and their words should be heard in a collected and rational manner.
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:02:17 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2005-09-14 11:02:00 EDT (#)
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Concessions simply have to be made. This land wasn't just given to the Palestinians to keep them quiet. In the international spotlight, it has been agreed that Sharon's government did the right thing. It is imperative that Israel continues to be viewed as level-headed and willing to comprimise. This move by Sharon's government will contribute to the thaw of icy Arab-Israeli relations. It won't erode them completely, but it's a start, and a powerful one at that. More countries will be willing to open dialogues and study Israel's example as a means to peace. Of course it's not a cure-all, but it's a start.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-09-14 10:56:41 EDT (#)
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Shit, you went back 5000 years at one point.
Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-14 10:56:31 EDT (#)
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JMG, agreed. There would be struggle if Gaza was kept in Israeli hands. Lives would be lost and rocks would be thrown. And I understand that a person in the the hotseat (Sharon) must take the blame with these difficult decisions.
However, and this applies to what Thorpe stated, 'this is our land.' Side note: Thorpe, my argument that 'this is our land' is not my only logic here. I'm insinuating that giving this land will lead to further negative outcomes for the Israeli state. And furthermore, I'll contend that this will lead to MORE (not less) violence in the region.
As I said, this move gives them hope. It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israelis and Palestinians can't live peacefully with one another for an extended period of time. Dharma inexorably gets in the way. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. With this new found hope, they will look back on how they got this plot of land and wash.rinse.repeat.. And how did they get Gaza? By rioting, shouting, and blowing things up.
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2005-09-14 10:47:44 EDT (#)
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The whole situation is unfortunate, with every door marked, "Damned if you do." I think in this case, Sharon correctly deduced that fewer lives would be lost if this concession was made. As the leader of a country, especially Israel, hard choices must be made, and as it has been said, "Salus populei lex suprema," or, "The safety of the people is the highest law."
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-09-14 10:47:34 EDT (#)
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As tempted as I am to -2 this, it is not my part to do so, nor is it my business or my greatest area of knowledge.
However, if you are going to back as far as 1982, why not go back to the 60s? Or why not go back to before 1945? Saying "It is our land" as a definitive argument is pointless when you are standing on the most disputed piece of land in modern history.
Surely you can understand that, while it might not stop the bus bombings in the short term, though I daresay there will be less of them, it will be much harder for militant groups to recruit young Palestinian men in the future if they have lived their lives peacefully in the independent state of Palestine?
As for the "give an inch, they'll take a mile" sentiment, that's just bullshit. As we've already seen, they don't possess the capacity to do this. Their goals have always been clear - the Gaza Strip, all of the West Bank (I suspect it might be another 5 years before this is handed back as well) and part of Jerusalem as the capital.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-09-14 10:43:30 EDT (#)
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ok it's time to shut the fuck up now