I am so Bored at Work right now. Not a good thing to be in prison. (5825 hits)
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Submitted by Rad™ (View user info) at 2005-09-21 04:39:48 EDT
I am so Bored at Work right now. Not a good thing to be in prison.
I am working the graveyard shift at the prison; 10:00pm to 06:00am Monday night through Friday night inclusive. The primary function of my job on this shift is to make sure all the inmates are locked in their cells, don't escape, and don't commit suicide. Considering that escapes and suicides are very infrequent, I have a lot of downtime while waiting for something to pop off. I like to think I use it wisely whilst being bored at work.
Bored at work fun fact #1: There are 387 tiles in the ceiling of the common area dayroom on the housing unit I am posted on. There used to be 390, but some were removed and replaced with aluminum covers after it was discovered that some inmates were hiding contraband in there, specifically pruno and some shanks.
Bored at work fun fact #2: We switched from plastic broom handles to wooden ones after it was discovered that an inmate was hiding a ziplock baggie of sugar in the hollow of the broom handle. Fucking drunks.
Bored at work fun fact #3: I get paid far too much for the work I do. All my co-workers get paid far too little. The main thing I enforce is the inmates have to sleep in a certain position or they get a chrono. The position is on the bunk, feet away from the cell door, head about 18 inches away from the door. The administration thought up this genius rule out of their infinite wisdom, and I think I am the only officer that enforces it; before you start thinking I am an asshole nitpicker, I have a reason for this.
Bored at work fun fact #4: My inmates think that since I work during lights out, they can say and do pretty much anything to press buttons and what not. What they don't seem to realize, and this I'll never understand, is that pissing off the screws only extends their sentence. Personally, I'd keep my mouth shut for the 9-12 months I was here and get on with it so I could go home. I guess criminals are just too stupid to get this.
Bored at work fun fact #5: I would never throw a blanket party for an asshole scumbag inmate. That is fucking unethical. What you do is get the spray hose for your OC canister. In the middle of the night, you shove the hose under the cell door and try to angle the point up about 45º, so the spray shoots above the inmate's head, not directly at it; but this isn't the clever bit.
You want the spray to shoot above the inmate and float back down. This isn't the clever bit either. The clever bit is you want to break off a piece of pencil lead or other small object into the tip of your hose in order to make it spray. Normal OC spray shoots out in a stream, and you want that fine mist going. Don't over-do it, or you will be filing use of force paperwork on why you decided to spray a sleeping inmate, and show what threat he was to you being behind that locked door.
DO NOT USE THE FOAM STUFF. You just want enough to annoy the inmate and make his night miserable; you DO NOT want to get a write-up or fired. Not like I'd ever do it.
Bored at work fun fact #6: Blanket parties happen sometimes; usually what will happen is during a period of lockdown, a guard will let some inmates out of their cells, and the go and open the cell of the intended victim. The inmates who had been let out of their cells will then assault the victim. The beauty of this technique is the guard can hold the original inmates accountable for the assault if it gets out of hand, and they then serve a few days on confinement. It is almost impossible to prove intent on the part of the guard in this case, and is the most oft utilized technique of unit justice.
Bored at work fun fact #7: There have been days where I have dozed a good portion of my shift; it is a part of the graveyard monster; and your partner covers for you, and you cover your partner.
Bored at work fun fact #8: I sometimes go running on the track, or do some weightlifting in the gym, do some schoolwork, and I definitely catch up on my reading. The beauty of this? I do it all while still doing the requirements of my job and getting paid to boot.
I think being bored at work really is a myth. I am able to take the most mundane activity a person can get paid for (watching inmates sleep) and do something with it. Be it from self-improvement to making some scumbag criminal's lives a miserable hell; I, for one, can never truly be Bored at Work.
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Submitted by rorrim (user info) at 2007-01-30 05:51:55 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Thanx for a very informative discussion .
Confirmed my own idea's about correction facility's .
Good day ! (don't be bad)
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-01-30 04:59:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-01-28 00:46:51 (#)
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Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-21 21:35:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
this has such a high rating not because of it's content (perhaps worth 1.00 at best)
it is simply because our dear "Rad" is thick in some uber clique (jjansen, genie, williamson especially and many others) and they are padding his ego. Coupled with that there are the n00bs who are seconding the +2s to go with the flow.
A C.O is simply a cop who couldnt cut it.
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What a stupid comment
-2 Die
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Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-01-30 04:22:15 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by jagmcmanus (user info) at 2006-01-05 07:15:28 (#)
Ranking: 2
why not a +2?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-01-30 03:55:26 EST (#)
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he did die.
:(
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-01-28 00:46:51 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-21 21:35:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
this has such a high rating not because of it's content (perhaps worth 1.00 at best)
it is simply because our dear "Rad" is thick in some uber clique (jjansen, genie, williamson especially and many others) and they are padding his ego. Coupled with that there are the n00bs who are seconding the +2s to go with the flow.
A C.O is simply a cop who couldnt cut it.
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What a stupid comment
-2 Die
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-01-27 20:29:31 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I miss ITM
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-03-25 03:37:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-30 01:16:59 (#)
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B@W
Submitted by Electro (user info) at 2006-01-05 07:34:03 EST (#)
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I vote this for B@W...
I think this is the first time in... a very long time.... that I have ever voted a post for B@W...
Submitted by jagmcmanus (user info) at 2006-01-05 07:15:28 EST (#)
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why not a +2?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-30 01:16:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
B@W
Submitted by Kindred (user info) at 2005-09-27 21:51:40 EDT (#)
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The discussion between Rad and ajannesen (as overseen by Berty) was far and away better than the post itself.
Submitted by Mister (user info) at 2005-09-24 20:51:48 EDT (#)
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Wow.
Looks like fun.
Seriously.
No, serious.
Honest.
OK, I lied.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-24 02:49:48 EDT (#)
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that -1 actually dropped my overall rating from a 1.11 to a 1.10.
cunt.
Submitted by kgbpasha (user info) at 2005-09-24 01:31:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
I'm so bored that I actually read the whole thing.
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2005-09-23 14:52:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I wish I could be paid to play video games.
Submitted by MrWillard (user info) at 2005-09-22 22:42:47 EDT (#)
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+2 for midnight shift. I got to go to work now.
Submitted by antluvdog (user info) at 2005-09-22 21:53:40 EDT (#)
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Oz?
Submitted by starshine (user info) at 2005-09-22 21:42:56 EDT (#)
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You. Are. So. Hot.
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-22 21:01:01 EDT (#)
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Very good points, Rad.
I must say I agree wholeheartedly with you on all points contained in your last review and would LOVE to see you make a serious out of your experiences as a C.O.
I have a feeling you are one of the decent ones.
Does the name Louis Wainwright ring a bell? Google him along with the phrases, secretary, dept of corrections florida... and you will find my grandfather
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-22 19:32:22 EDT (#)
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I agree with everything that Insanethemind said, except for the part about making prison as uncomfortable an experience as possible.
What I see happening here is a difference of values. What to me is holding an inmate accountable for every rule in the book may seem to you I am getting off on fucking with someone. You gotta remember the principles of operant conditioning and punishment in this case. Prison is designed to be as uncomfortable an experience as possible while still remaining within the boundries of the constitution.
As an inmate you have a right to breathe, eat, sleep, exercise, relative safety, and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment. Thats it. The inmate lost every other right they enjoyed as citizens when they were sentenced, and everything else on top is a privilege. Putting someone in confinement for breaking a minor rule is a necessary evil in order to maintain a firm, fair, and cohnsistant program. Me riding someone's ass because they don't button the top button on their jumper is vital to maintaining a structure.
Don't get mad at the people who hold you accountable for your actions when it was your actions that put you in a position to be under the authority of crazy badasses.
Submitted by Quint (user info) at 2005-09-22 19:16:30 EDT (#)
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Prisons are cool. If it weren't for the sodomy, I would hang out in prisons all the time. And I would totally make myself a shiv.
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-22 18:07:31 EDT (#)
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Look forensicgirl,
I have respect for some COs. My grandmother was warden of a women's prison here in Florida for many years and her husband was once vice warden at Florida State Prison (where death row was then) and one day a trustee came in with a shotgun and shot the warden dead, right in front of my gfather and then pivoted, and shot my gfather in the stomach.
After Louis got out of the hospital, he was appointed Warden of F.S.P at Starke and ran that prison better than any of his predacessors and also many of his subsequent replacements. He was also one of the first wardens of his time to focus on 'rehabilitation' rather than 'warehousing' inmates.
After his tenure as warden he was elected Secretary of the Florida Dept. of Corrections, with secretary meaning "Head honcho." Basically, he had 40,000 people working under him for over 25 years.
They now both sit on the Florida State parole board, and are loved and respected state and country wide by former subordinates and *inmates* alike.
So, i definitely have utmost respect for those working in corrections for the right reasons.
AS for the guys who are just there to kick ass and take names, make prison as uncomfortable an experience as possible for the inmates, under the guise of "being tough on crime", and pick up a paycheck for 'keeping the scum where they belong, in prison', they aren't worth the dirt on my shoe.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-09-22 13:12:52 EDT (#)
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I thought you worked in a prison for bees?
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-09-22 13:05:25 EDT (#)
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A C.O is simply a cop who couldnt cut it.
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A Correctional Officer's job is just as perilous (if not more so in some respects) as a police officer's. I've gotten to sit in on yearly psych evals of C.O.s., lemme tell you, it takes a special breed to work with inmates who will not hesitate to murder you if the opportunity presents itself.
My hat is off to them.
Submitted by lucid (user info) at 2005-09-22 12:47:54 EDT (#)
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What does getting a chrono mean?
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2005-09-22 11:36:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-21 21:35:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
this has such a high rating not because of it's content (perhaps worth 1.00 at best)
it is simply because our dear "Rad" is thick in some uber clique (jjansen, genie, williamson especially and many others) and they are padding his ego. Coupled with that there are the n00bs who are seconding the +2s to go with the flow.
A C.O is simply a cop who couldnt cut it.
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I gave it a +2 because I found it fascinating. It gave me a look at a topic I know little about, and the reviews I read were interesting. Just because you have a problem with CO's doesn't mean everybody's in some clique.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-22 05:39:22 EDT (#)
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I got some Cowboy Troy
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2005-09-22 05:25:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
i think Cattle Call by Eddie Arnold would be more appropriate
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-22 05:20:08 EDT (#)
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and thats why we won Vietnam.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2005-09-22 05:15:58 EDT (#)
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Nah fuck Beefoven, go for Wagner, Flight of the Valkeries - Its scares the shit outta the gooks.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-22 05:05:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Today, for the morning wake up, I think I shall play some of the Ludwig Van through the loudspeakers for my hip-hop, rap listening crowd.
A little 9th in the morning to get the blood flowing, if you will.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2005-09-22 05:04:59 EDT (#)
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\/......only after its been in the microwave for 1 minute......\/
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2005-09-22 04:54:25 EDT (#)
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Then I'm one ethical mother fucker, mother fucker.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-22 04:51:43 EDT (#)
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ethics is throwing a pint of water onto a coworker and calling her a cunt.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2005-09-22 04:45:21 EDT (#)
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what are ethics?
Submitted by Ducky (user info) at 2005-09-22 04:30:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
All the comments are just dragging my mind back to all the social control classes I've taken. Picture looks cozy.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2005-09-21 23:44:01 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
recal
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-21 22:15:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
trust me, plenty of math was done "DREW" .... you seem to go with the flow on almost all posts, regardless of the poster. If it has a bunch of +2s you give it a good review and always want to jump on the lone dissenter (many times there are more) much like you did to me on methods post re: genie.
loser.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 21:55:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-21 21:35:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
this has such a high rating not because of it's content (perhaps worth 1.00 at best)
it is simply because our dear "Rad" is thick in some uber clique (jjansen, genie, williamson especially and many others) and they are padding his ego. Coupled with that there are the n00bs who are seconding the +2s to go with the flow.
A C.O is simply a cop who couldnt cut it.
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What kind of gay ass shit is this? What clique? Me and Rad have no history of +2ing each other's posts. Do you your homework before you run your mouth.
Submitted by Whiplash (user info) at 2005-09-21 21:46:44 EDT (#)
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You work in a prison?
+1,000,000 to your manly points.
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-21 21:41:23 EDT (#)
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i did ten months in a florida juv. pen at 18 for crimes that warranted a much less secure placement... but because of my age and the closeness of said facility to my family, i opted to go to Arthur G. Dozier for boys.
Big mistake.
I am here to testify that 99% of the guards in that shithole were worse than the kids they were watching. Examples: mucho abuse, bringing us drugs, porn and cigarettes and alcohol.
Seting people up to get more time (ie planting shanks in our "rooms"
"RAD" I thought you were DOC corrections. Now I know you are only with juveniles you seem just the more pathetic.
I bet you were bullied in school? Or am i wrong?
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-21 21:35:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
this has such a high rating not because of it's content (perhaps worth 1.00 at best)
it is simply because our dear "Rad" is thick in some uber clique (jjansen, genie, williamson especially and many others) and they are padding his ego. Coupled with that there are the n00bs who are seconding the +2s to go with the flow.
A C.O is simply a cop who couldnt cut it.
Submitted by matnotharry (user info) at 2005-09-21 18:30:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-09-21 18:00:55 EDT (#)
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That's one hell of a clean prison.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 17:41:08 EDT (#)
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yeah.
Firm and fair. Remembering that only I can make something personal.
Things like that.
You understand that this post was intended as humorous, if not a little evil. Professionals don't run things like that.
And I know what you mean about Texas prison system. If it makes a difference, my department is slightly better. Still get assholes hired through the system every once in a while, and you never know what you are going to do once you are in a situation where an inmate is constantly pressing your buttons.
The officers who last are the ones who do the best work and care the most about making a difference.
Take me, for example. I call people on their bullshit all the time. The reason I do it is not to fuck with somebody, but rather to correct the action/thinking and hoping that the person is conditioned/learns from the mistake. I've never had cause to assault an inmate, and the times I use force I follow my continuum and do what needs to be done to maintain control.
I had some family working in some Texas prisons a few years ago, and I was amazed at the lack of oversight in the hiring processes and the low pay there. That is probably the biggest cause of abuse by guards.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 17:22:27 EDT (#)
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Rad, Im sure youre a good man. Just try to have some compassion on these delinquents. Isnt that possible without being a pushover or looking weak?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 17:14:15 EDT (#)
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hey Yes, thats a fucked up situation. Sorry man.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 17:13:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foonbo (user info) at 2005-09-21 13:54:33 (#)
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Wouldn't having wooden broom handles offer the opportunity to sharpen them into a weapon? I'd say letting the shitheads get a bit tipsy is better than one of them having a harpoon..
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you kidding me? Think about how violent people act when they are drunk.
also, anything and everything can be used as a weapon, you gotta be careful, and you gotta make sure you control everything.
Submitted by Foonbo (user info) at 2005-09-21 13:54:33 EDT (#)
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Wouldn't having wooden broom handles offer the opportunity to sharpen them into a weapon? I'd say letting the shitheads get a bit tipsy is better than one of them having a harpoon...
Submitted by Ejryuu (user info) at 2005-09-21 13:40:14 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2005-09-21 13:19:12 EDT (#)
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Wow. I didn't bother to read all 138 reviews. I stopped about twenty or so in. So these folks that get "dealt with," are the people that cause trouble inside? If a person, regardless of their crime, behaved well would you torture them?
I can see why you're so jaded, now that I know where you work. Has it affected your social/political views very much, and were you a very different person before you began working there?
Submitted by Yes (user info) at 2005-09-21 12:31:08 EDT (#)
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My bro is up in High Desert (waiting to go to Lovelock) for some awful shit his Ex pinned on him because she was pissed that the courts ordered that he didn't have to pay child support anymore. I _know_ he is innocent, but his lawyer talked him into taking a deal because he was sure the judge would believe a crying woman over an ex-skinhead... It fucking hurts my soul everyday when I think about him up there.
Funny post, deep comments.
Submitted by jumpinjellyfish (user info) at 2005-09-21 11:56:11 EDT (#)
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I found this quite interesting.
Makes me glad I'm not in prison.
Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-09-21 11:54:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
great stuff here.
And I'm not going to read all the comments below so someone might have said this.....that looks very similar to "emerald City" in HBO's "OZ."
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-09-21 11:32:12 EDT (#)
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Let me correct my self. I think it's appolo who's first seed.
Either way, you two MUST be the top two, and will be on opposite sides of the tree.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:55:50 EDT (#)
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Dude, DL on the kites.
a niggas gotta make his money somehows.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:55:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:35:14 (#)
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Bored at work fun fact #3: I get paid far too much for the work I do. All my co-workers get paid far too little.
-Why do you get paid more?
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the pay is the same. The amount of work I actually do on my shift is not.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:54:25 EDT (#)
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What Judoka said.
I can keep them through their 20th year for crimes committed while juveniles.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:37:04 EDT (#)
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Because he smuggles "kites" for the inmates. The wretched bastard.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:35:14 EDT (#)
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Bored at work fun fact #3: I get paid far too much for the work I do. All my co-workers get paid far too little.
-Why do you get paid more?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:32:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I was going to say something completely inappropriate here, but I decided against it.
I'll just say that this was a very entertaining read and leave it at that.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:32:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No, the hole is dark. Nothing but toilet paper sometimes. I will get around to writing more but most of it was uneventful. While in jail shit is hilarious because youre so fucking bored but Im not sure that its really funny or entertaining. I did learn quite a bit of useless shit. Like how to twist up strips of plastic bags to braid and make crosses to sell to Mexican Catholics to wear around their greasy necks.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:27:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:03:51 (#)
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As far as cases behind bars they had "kangaroo court" for infractions. "Reckless Eyeball" was a charge for looking at a female CO the wrong way. There was a list of ridiculous shit that would get you sent to the hole. Acting right wouldnt necessarily keep you out of trouble.
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They have books in the hole?
Are you going to write any more about your time in jail?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:26:20 EDT (#)
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I've learned a lot from this post. Today really has been a super-productive day.
Learning is fun!
Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:26:16 EDT (#)
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Here in Va juvenile "life" is until they turn 21.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:21:48 EDT (#)
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Ah now that is just evil with a capital V.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:12:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:58:44 (#)
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I don't get the water spray thing. What is that supposed to do, just get the guy wet or what?
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It isn't water it is pepper spray, or some type of mace. Hard to prove in a really fine mist, but still itches the eyes/nose/throat.
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:10:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:58:44 (#)
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maybe you should take up origami
I don't get the water spray thing. What is that supposed to do, just get the guy wet or what?
blanket party I understand - dad was in the military and told me about unit justice
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Good post. loki, he's not spraying water, he's spraying tear gas. We used CS in the Navy, but OC is still tear gas, right rad?
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:03:51 EDT (#)
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As far as cases behind bars they had "kangaroo court" for infractions. "Reckless Eyeball" was a charge for looking at a female CO the wrong way. There was a list of ridiculous shit that would get you sent to the hole. Acting right wouldnt necessarily keep you out of trouble.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2005-09-21 09:01:42 EDT (#)
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I never imagined your work to be that evil, or futuristic looking.
Congrats on first seed in DPMII.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:58:44 EDT (#)
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maybe you should take up origami
I don't get the water spray thing. What is that supposed to do, just get the guy wet or what?
blanket party I understand - dad was in the military and told me about unit justice
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:57:35 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:57:25 EDT (#)
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Indoninja, I had a lot of problems with other inmates. I wasnt in a juvy center. I was in an agg tank. But the Cos compounded it and caused the inamtes more frustration that they took out on other inmates. Prison shouldnt be a pleasant experience but Ive witnessed a few "blanket parties" and the COs I encountered were fucking animals. I had more respect for most other inmates than them.
Submitted by Professional_Peon (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:54:27 EDT (#)
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God help society if I ever end up in prison.
I will become a serial killer. I've already decided, don't try to change my mind.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:53:33 EDT (#)
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State rehabs are a fucking joke. There I learned the most effective way to cut and rerock cocaine to stretch out your product a bit. Its a ill supervised meeting of dealers and addicts.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:52:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:43:22 (#)
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Specifically I work in Juvenile corrections.
Now, to most of you this may seem like some fake bullshit pussy babysitting job, but keep this in mind.
I work with violent teenagers who are at their physical prime (16,17,18,19,and 20 year olds) Most of these guys have spent half their lives in the system before they get to my prison; we are the end of the line before incarceration in a max adult facility.
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I thought juvenile ended at 18?
AJ, I am mostly talking out of my ass here, as I don't know dick about this, but your arguments make it seem like the CO's made the prison bad, not the people in it. I am sure there were CO's who were dicks, but didn't most of your problems come from other inmates?
And once again, this is just me talking I don't know. Shouldn't the people in there be learning to follow the rules? Didn't breaking them or taking the easy way out get them there in a lot of cases?
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:47:55 EDT (#)
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Berty - I think people should just beat their children more...that'll solve a lot of this.
...Joking....
Its a complex subject because do we want to focus more on rehab or on prevention?
IF rehab is our focus well the I think that state or federal run programs are the way to go. That's not to say they are perfect or even good at what they do right now, but I think that overall they have the right intentions in mind. The problem or biggest problem I see is over population, too many kids to deal with to be able to spend the right amounts of time to actually make a difference.
This of course reverts back to my original question of prevention. More money should be spent on this area...and not some fucking corporate do-gooder sitting in an office thinking of a 'campaign' or slogan to steer kids away from drugs, no I mean giving money to programs that actually care...people who have been through it...people who can sit down and say 'Hey when I was a kid what would have kept me off of drugs, out of trouble, respectful of my parents and authority figures.
I've got a ton to say on this subject, just know that private rehabs are started for alterior motives...its about money...it cost my father 20k just to get in Straight and then it was something lik another 6k a month after...something wrong with that?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:43:22 EDT (#)
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Specifically I work in Juvenile corrections.
Now, to most of you this may seem like some fake bullshit pussy babysitting job, but keep this in mind.
I work with violent teenagers who are at their physical prime (16,17,18,19,and 20 year olds) Most of these guys have spent half their lives in the system before they get to my prison; we are the end of the line before incarceration in a max adult facility.
The reason I may sound so jaded is that teenagers are naturally rebellious; mix that with a heaping of criminal mentality and uncontrollable violence you have a fucking timebomb that will more often than not get in trouble with the law again and again. Add a short sentence because they are juveniles and you get zero operant conditioning to modify behaviors.
out of the 100 inmates that got cycled through here in the last year, I'd guess that 65 are locked back up, and 10 have absconded. 3 have gotten killed since their release. At least 2 have murdered someone sice release.
Those numbers, coupled with forming some type of relationship with each one, kind of makes you cynical.
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:42:42 EDT (#)
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I can't wait until the day I go to prison. I got a tattoo today in preparation. It's of your face, Rad. It's your fucking face on my arm.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:39:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:21:28 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:15:54 (#)
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Count my vote on Rad's side of the arguement.
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Yeah, I just wanted you guys to know I stand behind what Rumple Radskins has been saying.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:33:43 EDT (#)
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Rad, you know Im not trying to pick a fight with you here. If I had a post about fucking with correction's officers im sure you would have 2 cents to throw in. Having been on the recieving end of officer's entertainment at my expense I had to comment. This was a great post and I can see where you are coming from in your comments I just dont completely agree with you. You sound jaded and disenchanted about the whole thing. Almost like its a lost cause.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:33:02 EDT (#)
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I agree with Rad for once. You do something stupid enough to get you sent to prison, man up and deal with the consequences.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:31:14 EDT (#)
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Drew - I do believe the Postal Service is a privatly owned business not a Government one.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:31:09 EDT (#)
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badass, Rad did mention his feelings towards private prisons. Currently I'm more interested in the general existing and alternate methods as opposed to specific methodology.
However you're personal experience with the brainwashing approach is very relevant. what are your thoughts on alternatives to incarceration and existing rehabilitation?
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:30:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:26:29 (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:23:40 (#)
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Rad, Im talking about the guards and wardens. Do you care for the criminal?
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yes. So does every other C/O who does their job ethically and to the best of their ability.
Why do you think it is called "corrections" these days?
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Then your prison must be completely different than most and go against the norm. Ive seen nothing but constant and uneccesary abuse from correction's officers.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:28:16 EDT (#)
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Most things are better than they were 10 years ago with the exception of the amount of diseases that hookers carry and clown music I have to listen to everyday blaring out of illegal Mexican's cars. What government institution do you think is more flawed than our prison system? Maybe the Post Office but I cant think of much.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:27:52 EDT (#)
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this got really heavy for what I intended to be a sadistically funny story.
my bad.
(I would smoke weed if it was legal)
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:26:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:23:40 (#)
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Rad, Im talking about the guards and wardens. Do you care for the criminal?
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yes. So does every other C/O who does their job ethically and to the best of their ability.
Why do you think it is called "corrections" these days?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:24:07 EDT (#)
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let me get of my high horse for a minute.
you have some really valid good points about how reform is needed, and I agree for the most part.
It remains that for right now, in the society we live in, certain laws have been passed, certain punishments are assigned to those acts or omissions in violation of the laws, and convicts get sent to prison.
Have you taken into account all the prison reforms in America since the inception of the corrections system? THis is an evolving beast: I guarantee that prisons are better than they were 10 years ago.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:23:40 EDT (#)
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Rad, Im talking about the guards and wardens. Do you care for the criminal?
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:23:14 EDT (#)
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Wow, I'm just reading a bit of these comments and I'm wondering...do any of you really think that these privatly owned Rehab centers are the anwer?
Most of you probably know my opinion on that one.
I'd say that the state and federal correctional facilities, having been slightly restructured, would be the route to go.
I've been to the darkest depths of privatly owned rehabs and there is no good in them, rather there is brainwashing and forced opinions.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:21:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:15:54 (#)
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Count my vote on Rad's side of the arguement.
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:20:19 EDT (#)
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all the men and women who spend their lives in the system trying to help those who need it the most are the people who care about the criminal.
So sad that you cannot see that.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:16:30 EDT (#)
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The rehabs in place now are a joke. I did 12 months in a mandatory State sponsored one as part of a plea bargain and it was just a set-up to leech tax dollars from the State. Ill say it again, the prison system is the most flawed government institution and no one is trying to fix it. As citizen we dont like to think about it. Out of sight, out of mind. Plus who cares about criminal?
There is plenty that can be done. I dont know what the stats are but Im convinced the US has more repeat offenders than other nations.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:15:54 EDT (#)
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Count my vote on Rad's side of the arguement.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:13:12 EDT (#)
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*scratches chin*
hmm...
Well the consensus appears to be that current rehabilative techniques are at best inefficent (i.e. carrying a low success:failure ratio) and that prison does little other than prevent offenders from re-offending untill their release.
Barring the social and moral implications, it seems that the only soloution would be either termination of convicts or mind rape.
Do you think that there really is no other alternative?
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:04:02 EDT (#)
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Indoninja, Ive never read the book but I know first hand how guards treat inmates.
Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:03:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:10:23 (#)
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Does thar reckon they can be rehabilitated? The whole question of what you do with young offenders has always baffled me, I mean technically they're vulnerable members of society but at the same time I've met these people and they are crap.
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God I hope so, otherwise I am wasting my time. I teach in a juvenile detention center in VA. I've mentioned this before but my best friend did state time as a juvenile. He made it out of the cycle of poverty and violence and today he is a successful physician. On the other hand I see kids that on their 18th birthday will go directly to the adult pen. Unfortunately I think the latter type is much more common. But ultimately I do what I do in order to help the one out of a hundred who can make it. If they are given a shot.
As for this debate I agree with rad for the most part. The young men and women I see are in my facility because they did something that deserves jail time. But I would be a fool if I didn't acknowledge the fact that a person could be dealt a shitty hand, or just be cursed with really bad luck. Not that that will vacate their responsiblity, but it does stack the deck against them.
Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2005-09-21 08:01:12 EDT (#)
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I should have known a guy like you would go and be a C.O.
I have almost zero respect for correctional officers, at least 90% of them, that is.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:59:12 EDT (#)
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Interesting. Sounds intensely more fun than going out and losing $130 at the casino like I may or may not have just come home from doing.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:56:13 EDT (#)
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What constitutes a trafficker? Crossing county lines? A trunk full of coke? Drug dealing is Capitalism at its finest. The Underground Stock Market where supply and demand set prices.
Submitted by thecaes (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:54:34 EDT (#)
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Interesting replies here. Good post.
I think the whole prison system is messy and pretty fucked-up from a 'rehabilitation' standpoint. It doesn't help the people in there.
I am continuously amazed by the ingenuity of convicts.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:53:04 EDT (#)
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Is it possible or even easy to keep your head down and do your time? Or do you have to fight if you don't want to be somebody's bitch.
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depends on circumstances, but yes. It has been known to happen.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:52:32 EDT (#)
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Dealers dont perpetuate the poverty cycle, users do. With demand there is always supply, not the other way around. And until we attempt to use tax dollars to rehabilitate these addicts instead of locking them away with real criminals the cycle will never end. The governement isnt to blame for poor decision making but our prison system is the most flawed government institution in my opinion.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:51:58 EDT (#)
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I wasn't even considering weed when I wrote that.
let me fix it.
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:32:59 (#)
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Depends on how you are going to classify your drug-related offences. Violent or non-violent. Violent goes to the slammer.
Then you have to classify your different types of drugs. I think everyone pretty much agrees that weed is pretty harmless, and should get less time/more rehab than say, anything else.
Then what about the classifications between users, dealers, and full on traffickers?
Users are more of the victim type, and would be the only felon out of the whole bunch that I would rather go for rehab time in a seperate facility for.
Dealers and traffickers should be held to the fullest extent of punishment. These are the people who perpetuate the poverty cycle.
Your weed users who do small time dealing can be lumped into the user category. Fuck a trafficker, though.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:50:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:38:28 (#)
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Rad, many users deal to support their habit. Most people I know that smoke weed also "flip it" so they can smoke for free. Not that I advocate drug dealing but how much money do dealers pump back into our economy? These assholes dont set up mutual funds. They usually immediately spend that money on bullshit consumer items. Thats billions of dollars every year. I know it doesnt make it right Im just saying there are two sides to it and making 3 categories of drug offenders would be setting ourselves up for failure.
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Most of the people on serious drugs probably wouldn't have huge paychecks anyway and wouldn't have too many savings. Drugs don't stimulate our economy, it drains it. How much money do you think leaves the country because of drugs?
Either of you (AJ Rad) ever read that book "you ain't got nothing coming", by Michale lerner? I have heard from a few people it is a pretty accurate description of jail.
Is it possible or even easy to keep your head down and do your time? Or do you have to fight if you don't want to be somebody's bitch.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:46:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:31:25 (#)
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Berty, I couldnt agree more. Our prisons are packed with them. Addicts can be rehablitated. In prison they just learn how to be better criminals. A lot of petty offenses are drug related. Our drug laws are fucked. The reason drugs are illegal is because the government want us to do their drugs that feed them tax dollars. How many commercials do you see weekly for some new pill to make you sleep, or kill depression, or make your dick bigger, or turn the world into a marshmellow. They will rattle off symptoms until one fits you.
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forgive me for what I am about to say, but this really looks like a perfect example of criminal mentality. Instead of accepting that illegal drugs are what they are, and possession gets you time, you go to the "blame the government" argument instead of holding the offender accountable. Corporate profits on viagra that get translated into more govm't dollars has nothing to do with the person in possession of a controlled substance deemed illegal by societal norms. In other words, bad behavior does not justiry other bad behavior.
Entitlement and refual to accept blame is the biggest problem with beating the criminal mentality.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:38:28 EDT (#)
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Rad, many users deal to support their habit. Most people I know that smoke weed also "flip it" so they can smoke for free. Not that I advocate drug dealing but how much money do dealers pump back into our economy? These assholes dont set up mutual funds. They usually immediately spend that money on bullshit consumer items. Thats billions of dollars every year. I know it doesnt make it right Im just saying there are two sides to it and making 3 categories of drug offenders would be setting ourselves up for failure.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:38:05 EDT (#)
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Oh, don't get me wrong.
I see plenty of things that could be improved in how my specific facility is run, and how programs are implemented.
The thing is, we all have to accept that some things cannot be fixed. Some people are broken beyond the help of anybody, and just have to be caged up like animals. It is a sad fact of life.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:33:46 EDT (#)
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And god damn, the 30 seconds dedicated to explaining side effects sound worse than the side effects of cocaine and meth. Its a traveshamockery.
Prison has plenty of room for improvement.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:33:30 EDT (#)
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As Rad considers his response I am going to nip to Macdonalds and buy a deathburger.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:32:59 EDT (#)
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Depends on how you are going to classify your drug-related offences. Violent or non-violent.
Then what about the classifications between users, dealers, and full on traffickers?
Users are more of the victim type, and would be the only felon out of the whole bunch that I would rather go for rehab time in a seperate facility for.
Dealers and traffickers should be held to the fullest extent of punishment. These are the people who perpetuate the poverty cycle.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:31:25 EDT (#)
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Berty, I couldnt agree more. Our prisons are packed with them. Addicts can be rehablitated. In prison they just learn how to be better criminals. A lot of petty offenses are drug related. Our drug laws are fucked. The reason drugs are illegal is because the government want us to do their drugs that feed them tax dollars. How many commercials do you see weekly for some new pill to make you sleep, or kill depression, or make your dick bigger, or turn the world into a marshmellow. They will rattle off symptoms until one fits you.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:26:20 EDT (#)
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Rad and Ajannsen, how would you respond to the idea of seperate institutions for drug related offenses? Do you believe it would have an impact on the sucess of rehab programs? For the sake of argument we shall assume that these programs will be well funded.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:25:56 EDT (#)
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We usually didnt call them guards to their face. It was usually Boss Man. All the Officers got sand in their vaginas after a riot and had us under a very close eye. On kitchen duty we were told not to breathe sideways without permission. A cell mate asked "Boss Man, Boss Man, can a nigga wipe sweat?"
"Wipe sweat, nigger. Wipe sweat." was his courteous reply.
I about died laughing. Incarceration will warp your sense of humor.
I dont think prison should be the Hilton but I dont think inhumane behavior can be justified. There is a better way but no one bothers to research it.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:24:37 EDT (#)
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Do you look at these people as equals? Or every day when you clock in is it a constant battle with you vs. them?
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neither.
I see very damaged people that need help. Whether they accept it or not is beyond my control
Equals? no. I am their authority, I control their lives. It is necessary.
Me vs. Them? no. I do everything I do for very specific reasons. Safety and security first. Teaching life skills second.
Does it feel like a battle at time? Yes, most of the time it does feel like a battle, but as the person in authority I just have to remember to make the right choices and do what needs to be done.
Does that sound like a power trip? Probably, but it is necessary. In order to maintain structure with people who are doing everything in their power to be chaotic, it is necessary.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:23:29 EDT (#)
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I think the whole Abu Gharib scenario is leading us off topic, Rad is correct in saying that that is a seperate issue and not tied into the effects of rehabilitation and the purpose of incarceration in society.
I made a pun.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:19:58 EDT (#)
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Funny, I don't work in a prison but I seem to have to keep eye on imbeciles all day too.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:18:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:12:05 (#)
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Rad, you must have worked there for too long. I hold myself comletely responsible for the actions that got me there but there is no way to justify inhumane treatment. I suppose the Iraqis in the pictures "got themselves there" and deserved it? Although I laughed at it, it wasnt right. Your logic is flawed and unreasonable on this one. There is no excuse for a lot of the abuse dished out by guards.
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negative. Abu Gharib is not a typical prison in America. That was a detention situation being run by soldiers who didn't know the first thing about what they were supposed to be doing. I mean, lets face it, it is slighty easier to become a soldier than a cop, right?
I never said "deserved". The point I was making was that it is common knowledge that bad shit happens in prison, and the inmate is fully responsible for his being there (minus the odd case of a bad conviction)
I do not condone abuse, but I refuse to not hold the inmate accountable for his being in that situation of his own free-will and accord.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:17:51 EDT (#)
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Are all of the guys as hot as the ones in Oz?
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:16:13 EDT (#)
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Rad, I dont think dangerous criminals should get less time and walk the streets but I do think the system is extremely flawed and encourages more unlawful behavior. I completely disagree that nothing else can be done.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:14:50 EDT (#)
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Berty, the government makes no effort to do anything. I dont know what the answer is but there is no doubt our current system does perpetuate the cycle of crime.
Rad, Im living on the outside and no longer see it as me vs. them. But Im not sure about you. Do you look at these people as equals? Or every day when you clock in is it a constant battle with you vs. them?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:12:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:59:13 (#)
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I agree that it is their responsiblity. But dont you think that prison perpetuates the criminal mentality?
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not really. The criminal mentality is perpetuated by an individual's inability/unwillingness to change.
Don't you think that letting someone get off reinforces that mentality slightly more than being incarcerated?
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:12:05 EDT (#)
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Rad, you must have worked there for too long. I hold myself comletely responsible for the actions that got me there but there is no way to justify inhumane treatment. I suppose the Iraqis in the pictures "got themselves there" and deserved it? Although I laughed at it, it wasnt right. Your logic is flawed and unreasonable on this one. There is no excuse for a lot of the abuse dished out by guards.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:09:02 EDT (#)
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Doesn't exist. There is nothing you can do for some people.
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Thank you Rad, this is very interesting (I knew today was going to be super-productive).
Ajannsen, what are your thoughts on this statement? Do you believe it is an accurate reflection of the prison population?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:07:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:57:05 (#)
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We called them much worse. My apologies, I thought that was the polite name.
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maybe in Texas, but where I am I am a Supervisor or Officer. Perhaps you need to get out of that "us vs. them" thing.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:04:50 EDT (#)
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Better method?
Doesn't exist. There is nothing you can do for some people.
The only thing you could do is fund your troops better and give them more and better equipment and training. Also tighten up on safety procedures at all facilities. Maintaining a strict controlled structure is the most important thing you can do to keep some people from falling though the cracks.
Pay your officers more, make all your facilities governmentally run and all employees required to go through the same process as any police department hiring process, and admit that all the counseling and rehab in the world isn't going to do anything for most (99%) of individuals incarcerated.
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Now, to address some issues.
1. If you are incarcerated, it is your fault for being there.
2. If you are assaulted or raped in prison, it is your fault for being there.
3. If you have any complaints about the living conditions, blame yourself. It is your fault for being there.
4. If some guards are hazing you, it is your fault for being there.
5. It is your fault for being there, be a man and hold yourself accountable.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 07:01:50 EDT (#)
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Berty, prison is overflowing with drug offenders that truly need rehabilitation. You can molest a child and be out of prison earlier than someone with a load of cocaine. There is a problem with this. The government isnt even making a feeble attempt at reforming anyone. To their credit, they do keep dangerous people off of our streets but our system perpetuates the cycle of crime.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:59:13 EDT (#)
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I agree that it is their responsiblity. But dont you think that prison perpetuates the criminal mentality?
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:57:05 EDT (#)
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We called them much worse. My apologies, I thought that was the polite name.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:56:57 EDT (#)
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I will assume that you are a fair guard but you must know a lot of them are underpaid pricks that dont give a fuck and torture inmates because of their shitty life. Why do you think there are so many repeat offender?
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There are so many repeat offenders because the criminal mentality is so engrained in their mode of thinking. You cannot put that on anybody else. The buck stops with the asshole committing the act.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:56:42 EDT (#)
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In the opinions of both a part of the current system and as a person gone through the current system, what are your thoughts on what could be a better method of dealing with criminals?
I think that with the pair of you together this could be an extreemly interesting meeting of minds.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:54:33 EDT (#)
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I'm fair as long as you don't call me a guard.
I don't guard anything.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:53:59 EDT (#)
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responsibility of government to keep the community safe from criminals blah blah blah
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:53:16 EDT (#)
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Contempt of Cop? Ive seen people get beaten and dragged off for "Reckless Eyeball". I will assume that you are a fair guard but you must know a lot of them are underpaid pricks that dont give a fuck and torture inmates because of their shitty life. Why do you think there are so many repeat offender?
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:50:54 EDT (#)
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Its an industry and a business. It is a cash cow. Sadly its paid for by our tax dollars and a good majority of inmates get out pissed off at the system and go directly back to harrassing these tax payers that support that very system. What a counter-productive cluster fuck.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:50:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:43:03 (#)
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Im not justifying my shitty behavior. Ill openly admit Im a self absorbed dick with little concern for the comfort or well being of others. What Im saying is that we all break laws, we just dont all get caught. Now I understand your point on violent criminals, Ive just been abused and sent off to "kangaroo court" by asshole guards with a power trip. Just because someone is behind bars doesnt mean they are a bad person.
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I agree. I have plenty of inmates who just made some mistakes. The thing is, defining something as "bad" is a value judgement. If I tell someone to do something, and they don't do it, I consider that "bad". It is the wrong decision, and tends to incite a condition known as "Contempt of Cop". I try to avoid these pissing contests in my own day to day dealings.
And please remember, a lot of this is exaggerated for literary merit. Not to say that every single one of these things never happened; I personally hold myself to higher account and try to do my job the way it needs to be done: In an impersonal, impartial, firm, fair, and consistant professional manner.
I can still fantasize about making one of these assholes choke on capsacian in the middle of the night.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:47:31 EDT (#)
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I know the State of Texas gets plenty from the Federal Government. Probably more than for anything else. Plus the work that the inmates do down South on the farms. Texas is rolling in money from the prison system. Its a god damn money tree. They cant build enough prisons down here.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:44:28 EDT (#)
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Our prison system is in place because it is a multi-billion dollar industry, not because the government wants to rehabilitate.
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yes and no.
the money comes from supplying equipment, architecture, and other contracting items.
RUnning prisons is a breaking even/losing money proposition.
and those private prisons? Horseshit. They either do a good job and lose money and give up their contracts or they only care about the bottom line and run a fucked up facility.
prisons are not a cash cow.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:43:03 EDT (#)
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Im not justifying my shitty behavior. Ill openly admit Im a self absorbed dick with little concern for the comfort or well being of others. What Im saying is that we all break laws, we just dont all get caught. Now I understand your point on violent criminals, Ive just been abused and sent off to "kangaroo court" by asshole guards with a power trip. Just because someone is behind bars doesnt mean they are a bad person.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:41:08 EDT (#)
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for the most part, no. It does not work. But you gotta have something to do in here.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:39:38 EDT (#)
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DO you think it works Rad? Rehabilitation I mean.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:38:43 EDT (#)
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I guess the point Im trying to get across is that prison usually breeds more crime. I cant tell you how many new tricks are learned everyday for when people get out with a chip on their shoulder from being treated inhumanely by the government and getting caught up in the system. Incarceration does keep assholes away from upstading citizens but our system definitely doesnt rehabilitate. There are plenty of people behind bars that have done the exact same thing that a lot of others have and just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Our prison system is in place because it is a multi-billion dollar industry, not because the government wants to rehabilitate.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:32:36 EDT (#)
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rehabilitation in this case is showing a person that there are different ways of thinking other than the criminal mentality. Whether it sticks or not is beside the point.
Furthermore, it isn't illegal to be an asshole; but intentionally not covering your ass while pissing people off (especially law enforcement assholes) is just not using your brain.
you asked "What the fuck is rehabilitation? Acting the way the government wants you to?"
No. It is learning how to conform to societal expectations, and not getting in trouble with the law. Don't try to justify bad behavior with more bad behavior.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:32:26 EDT (#)
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ajanssen, that is a very interesting question. To me rehabilitation effectivly means being able to live within the constraints of society, specifically living whithin society rather than outside.
What do I mean by 'living whithin society'? Well, I mean working to earn a crust, paying your taxes, getting a job as a payroll clerk (or similar) and not robbing stuff from people's houses, sleeping in condemned buildings, and so on.
Laws are about providing a structure for people's lives, what I shall term 'society'. Rehabilitation would be bringing people into that structure.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:25:04 EDT (#)
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Rad, what kind of inmates dont do dirt? Surely Mexican soap operas cant keep everyone entertained. I could make a fi-fi doll that felt like a virgin, complete with hymen and everything. The lady on Channel 2 that does the work out routine every morning got real hot. Sometimes I can still picture her camel toe.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:22:24 EDT (#)
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What the fuck is rehabilitation? Acting the way the government wants you to? Am I rehabilitated, fuck no. Matured, yes. We all break the law. Every time I drive I break a handful of them. I have a Jeep with ridiculously huge tires on it and I feel entitled to be a complete prick on the road. Turn signals and current inspection stickers are for fags, horn honking isnt. And I smoke weed like the shit is about to rot. Does that make me criminal or a danger to society? Rehabilitation is just a word so we can have a Parole Board.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:21:22 EDT (#)
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Don't tar them all with the same brush. As will all types, there are exceptions.
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Indeed, some are violent but others are not, some are exceptionally intelligent but most are ordinary. They are all unique, but they are all delinquent in one form or another.
Whilst there are different methods that would be more effective in helping certain people I want to know Rad's opinion on the particularly violent and anti-social variety.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:20:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:09:52 (#)
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Rad, not everyone in the aggravated tanks are violent people. You cant tell me youve never been in a bar fight or the like. If youre holding anything or swinging anything its an automatic agg-case. Once you have one of those on your record you automatically go to the aggravated tanks if you ever get arrested again. Aggravated doesnt necessarily mean violent.
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what I mean to say is you aren't talking to a lay person about this. I see who is who and deal accordingly.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:19:15 EDT (#)
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For the record, I'm not talking about the ones who just get convicted of agg assault and then serve their bullet; I'm talking about riders who do their dirt inside.
THose are the fuckwads who get dealt with.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:16:00 EDT (#)
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The police had a specially-designed patrol unit which belched CS - the nastier form of tear gas - from its tailpipe. This war wagon wound about the streets of gassing not just those who opposed Nixon's filthy war, but everyone who lived. Eventually a group of guys climbed atop a building and scoped out their route - then lay in wait.
Tailpipe? aaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahah! I guess they couldn't see!
Submitted by Soley_Trinity (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:14:00 EDT (#)
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I mean technically they're vulnerable members of society but at the same time I've met these people and they are crap.
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Don't tar them all with the same brush. As will all types, there are exceptions.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:13:29 EDT (#)
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Im only 27.3% crap.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:10:23 EDT (#)
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Does thar reckon they can be rehabilitated? The whole question of what you do with young offenders has always baffled me, I mean technically they're vulnerable members of society but at the same time I've met these people and they are crap.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:09:52 EDT (#)
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Rad, not everyone in the aggravated tanks are violent people. You cant tell me youve never been in a bar fight or the like. If youre holding anything or swinging anything its an automatic agg-case. Once you have one of those on your record you automatically go to the aggravated tanks if you ever get arrested again. Aggravated doesnt necessarily mean violent.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:06:40 EDT (#)
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poor cunts?
the typical inmate at my facility is a violent felon. These are the fuckers who beat up 90 year old ladies to steal their handbags.
Fuck them.
Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:04:29 EDT (#)
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sounds like a good gig but ease up on the poor cunts unless they be kiddy fiddlers and the like.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 06:03:17 EDT (#)
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I blame the overzealous removal of mastubatory items from the inmates cells on the PC (read: liberal) whiny people who run my department.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:59:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Fabit (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:40:48 (#)
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Ah so thats why you post with the UK folk more than the americans eh? Because of your working hours?
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He's an honorary Englishman.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:59:39 EDT (#)
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For a few weeks a was a trustee working Central Intake. We got to clean the cells and get any contraband that was left before inmates got processed into 72 hour holdover and strip-searched. We ran across shit daily. I got high several times a day for that period. In North Tower we had a floor above us that was used for the women. A black man in a cell next to me would beat on the window to "page" his bitches and they would both empty the water out of their toilets to use as a "celery phone" as he called it. Using rolled up newspaper as a funnel they would holler back and forth to each other. I remember being stoned off my ass and listening to the foulest shit come out of these women's mouth. At the time it was hilarious. Boredom will alter your sense of humor. Altogether I made the best out of it and it wasnt so bad. Asshole guards were the worst part. An absense of fi-fi dolls leads to shower lovin'.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:55:44 EDT (#)
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HOw to make a fifi
http://www.ugtv.org/fifir.php
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:53:23 EDT (#)
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don't apologize for anything.
BLITZKREIG_BOB also made a pretty good fifi post.
OUr fifis are usually recycled latex examination gloves.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:46:44 EDT (#)
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Berty, it's a crudely made vagina using a sock, plastic bag, and vaseline. Please see http://www.ubersite.com/m/73000. Sorry Rad.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:43:14 EDT (#)
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Good stuff. Now onto a question:
What is a fi-fi doll?
Submitted by Fabit (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:40:48 EDT (#)
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Ah so thats why you post with the UK folk more than the americans eh? Because of your working hours?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:39:11 EDT (#)
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I go on all self-righteously about criminal justice; don't think I don't understand that rehabilitation works for some people. I don't hate anybody who walks through these halls, I just do what I need to do to teach certain people a lesson; and don't worry.
They were all bad people.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:31:48 EDT (#)
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They did brew some hooch and tried to get me to drink some but I didnt want to wake up in a stranger's "covered wagon" with Kool-offs smeared on my face for makeup.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-09-21 05:31:47 EDT (#)
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They did brew some hooch and tried to get me to drink some but I didnt want to wake up in a stranger's "covered wagon&q