Pride In America? (2634 hits)
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Submitted by kaos-king (antius777) (View user info) at 2005-10-04 11:17:00 EDT
There has been quite a number of pro and anti-American posts popping up on Uber recently. I find this trend... interesting. Some of our friends across the oceans are supportive of the US while others are violently against anything it stands for. The Canadian population of Uber seems the most polarized in their opinions. Perhaps it is their close proximity to the US, but I find this great difference of opinion fascinating.
Now, chances are that the majority of the European and Australian Uberites have never directly experienced American culture. The Canadian ones, however, being the northern neighbors, I would believe have more contact. The amount of hate and love we receive from these users is extraordinary. I recently made a point on another post that said, "If a man is born 20 miles away from the US border and another man is born 20 miles into Canada, can they not be friends? Is this 40 mile difference so great that these two men can not be brothers?" Rad, of course, had some very good comments to this, but still this plagues me. Have we as humans become so concerned with imaginary borders that we can not merely look at each other as humans?
I live in America, in the state of Ohio. I know very few people who have NOT been to Canada at some point in their lives. No one I know has anything negative to say about the country. One of my close friends went to England to study abroad, and she had nothing but the best of things to say about Europe. (Except it rained too much in England, sorry.) None the less, no one I personally know has any strange grudge against any other nation or group of citizens.
Granted, I'm a liberal. No... I mean I'm a hardcore, baby killing, Christian stomping, ACLU loving, UN supporting Liberal. However, I am not a democrat. I support the NRA, support capital punishment, and could give two shits about the environment. Perhaps I'm not a good example of your average American, but I don't blindly follow the US Patriotic propaganda machine. Such feelings and opinions are just another form of Zealotry. I know this country makes mistakes, and it upsets me as much as any person of another nationality.
Now, I'm just a guy that writes weird and spooky stories. I don't claim to be any great political science expert. However, I can't help but wonder what fuels the anger towards this country from those in Europe, Australia, and Canada. What is it about this nation that offends you so much? And remember, we are not a nation of people all the same... just like yours. I don't want to hear about how we are all fat, lazy rednecks. This is obviously not true. 50% of our population does not agree with the current administration, so you can't pin that on all of us either.
Okay... back to writing a shitty ongoing series about wacky metaphysical stuff that barely anyone reads...
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Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2005-10-09 22:38:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2005-10-07 09:18:48 EDT (#)
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I guess it's mostly because of the stereotypes.. i think it's harder to see past them then we like to think. Also, Europeans generally don't like patriottism, associating it with Hitler-Germany. Also, whenever the US shits on international legislation, courts and organisations, Europeans feel a bit shitted on as well. Then there's the fact your the biggest superpower on earth, that can't help.
Submitted by Kopesh (user info) at 2005-10-06 16:30:08 EDT (#)
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Are you really that obtuse? If America wanted to sell to them they could have. The only people who threatened our shipping then were the Germans(at least in the atlantic). If we were only concerned with money or didn't care we would have traded with them.
Americans did not want to get involved directly. It was thought of as Europes problem, but we did help the Allies. Remember Lend-Lease?
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the German subs threatened the shipping in the atlantic that I do not contest, but the Germans were extremely short on merchantships and did not have the naval power to protect the few they had, remember that the Britisch navy was huge in the beginning of the war and the German navy was not ( largely due to the restrictions of the treaty of versay ) and because as you so rightly mention the US did not want to get involved directly they told everybody ( French, Britisch, German etc.) that they could get the supplies they needed but they had to come and get them.
I know of at least one German U-boat that made the trip, wich must have troubled the US government greatly seeing that they put up the condition to try and exclude the axis powers (Britains navy being a pretty good barrier).
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-06 15:55:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kopesh (user info) at 2005-10-06 14:47:15 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-06 14:22:28 (#)
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If the US really didn't give a shit about anyone else in WWII why didn't they trade with the Germans too?
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The only reason Germany didn't get any weapons from the US is the tiny little condition the US put in place: you could buy there if you wanted to, but you had to ship it yourselfs.
the Germans did not have the fleet needed to perform that stunt, if they had i would be speaking german today...
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Are you really that obtuse? If America wanted to sell to them they could have. The only people who threatened our shipping then were the Germans(at least in the atlantic). If we were only concerned with money or didn't care we would have traded with them.
Americans did not want to get involved directly. It was thought of as Europes problem, but we did help the Allies. Remember Lend-Lease?
Submitted by Kopesh (user info) at 2005-10-06 14:47:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-06 14:22:28 (#)
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If the US really didn't give a shit about anyone else in WWII why didn't they trade with the Germans too?
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The only reason Germany didn't get any weapons from the US is the tiny little condition the US put in place: you could buy there if you wanted to, but you had to ship it yourselfs.
the Germans did not have the fleet needed to perform that stunt, if they had i would be speaking german today...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-06 14:22:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2005-10-06 11:52:55 (#)
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Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:08:33 (#)
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- WWII occurs, and despite having the ability to intervene in the early stages, allows many thousands to die because of their heritage before some trade ship gets sunk and decides thats worth fighting for.
What the fuck are you talking about? We entered WWII after pearl harbor. Or do you mean in terms of Arms? Fine we didn't join right away, but why not condemn Chamberlain for appeasment? If Britian had forced Germany to follow the terms agreed to after WWI they would have had the US help, and WWII would never had happened. It is just as stupid to blame them for not stopping the war as blaming the US."""
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He's NOT blaming the war on the US. He's just supporting his point that you don't give a shit about anyone else. You didn't get involve until they attacked you. Unlike EVERYONE else.
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Please read a history book.
The US was helping before they were attacked. Where was England getting arms from?
This is a stupid argument. You are still trying to say that the US doesn't give a shit but somehow England does because it got involved sooner. Guess what the UK was bending over backwards not to get involved, and it was in there backyard. They didn't do anything until they knew they were going to be attacked soon. If they thought they could have stayed out of the war they would have.
If the US really didn't give a shit about anyone else in WWII why didn't they trade with the Germans too?
Submitted by RamJetMax (user info) at 2005-10-06 13:46:51 EDT (#)
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America = +2 (Kicker of all ass)
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2005-10-06 11:55:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-06 01:41:27 (#)
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Look beyond borders. We're all just shitty little humans trying to eek out an existance on this planet.
I could give a shit about politics because what's the point?
But yeah, enough already with the Anti-American sentiment. If you don't agree with our government, fine, just don't generalize our entire population by the doings of our government.
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I personally don't generalize all americans, just the half that voted for Bush. Minus another 10 percent that only voted for him because Kerry sucked so bad.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2005-10-06 11:52:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:08:33 (#)
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- WWII occurs, and despite having the ability to intervene in the early stages, allows many thousands to die because of their heritage before some trade ship gets sunk and decides thats worth fighting for.
What the fuck are you talking about? We entered WWII after pearl harbor. Or do you mean in terms of Arms? Fine we didn't join right away, but why not condemn Chamberlain for appeasment? If Britian had forced Germany to follow the terms agreed to after WWI they would have had the US help, and WWII would never had happened. It is just as stupid to blame them for not stopping the war as blaming the US."""
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He's NOT blaming the war on the US. He's just supporting his point that you don't give a shit about anyone else. You didn't get involve until they attacked you. Unlike EVERYONE else.
Submitted by mrwolf (user info) at 2005-10-06 09:51:08 EDT (#)
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Good post, but if you wanna know why everyone hates america just watch team america. That in a nut shell is the exact reason everyone including a vast portion of Americans hates America.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-06 09:37:11 EDT (#)
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Thecaes speaks the truth. I know my my opinions on the current GOP administration are severe and I hate the fact that it's made me so angry. We are ALL human like you and Forensic Girl said. I am a citizen of planet Earth first, an American second...
Submitted by thecaes (user info) at 2005-10-06 07:25:07 EDT (#)
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OH FOR FUCKS SAKE. Every time one of these politics post comes up, everybody has the same things to say, and the reviews drive me goddamn mental. Kaos, I agree with your point about borders and such, and think the same thing applies to political beliefs as well. Everyone gets so attached to their belief system (which is often tragically flawed) and then becomes polarized in their opinions to the extent that anyone who doesn't share them is evil or wrong. There are so few people in this world who are able to see things from a perspective that isn't their own. We're not Americans, Canadians, liberals, conservatives, extremists...we're all just people.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-06 01:41:27 EDT (#)
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Look beyond borders. We're all just shitty little humans trying to eek out an existance on this planet.
I could give a shit about politics because what's the point?
But yeah, enough already with the Anti-American sentiment. If you don't agree with our government, fine, just don't generalize our entire population by the doings of our government.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-06 01:07:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-10-06 00:30:06 (#)
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Stupid idiots who are anti-GWB2 are all anti-America.
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Well then, I'm as anti-American as you can get. Bush, the GOP, and the Christian Zealot followers of his are all a disease in this country, destroying us from within. I would GLADLY take a bullet if it meant putting one in GW's head. It would all be for a better tomorrow.
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-10-06 00:30:06 EDT (#)
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Stupid idiots who are anti-GWB2 are all anti-America.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2005-10-05 17:28:50 EDT (#)
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The only thing that bugs me about Europeans is their condescending attitudes toward American culture. Yes, it does exist. I don't care that we've only been around for a few hundred years. There is a good chunk of history to this place, and we've played a distinct role in history as have the European nations. In every sense, eat it.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:46:15 EDT (#)
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I got the impression that Q was going to one with his comments about safety.
The middle east has not existed in a vaccuum for a long time. Europe and the US have had a hand in it for a long time. If the US pulled out completely now do you think it would be more stable?
Do you think if Saddam had been left alone he would have been a force for stability?
Make no mistake the middle east is and will be a turbulent area for generations to come. That much resources, combined with strict ideologies will have conflict with itself and the western world.
Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:40:25 EDT (#)
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Q works in a third world country?!
Q also made good points from our perceptions. Some people do wonder if/when America will invade us. It's a justifiable concern. Plus, you seem to enjoy instability with this little stupid Iraq war and bickering with your allies. That also indirectly affects us.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:37:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:34:27 (#)
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indoninja is too reasonable...can't tick him off :-(
maybe HE is John Connor!
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Guess I have to kill you now.
Q did piss me off before crying about his life is in danger because of America. I want to know where he is working and how America forced him to make a shit load of money by working in a third world country.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:36:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:29:59 (#)
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To add to the violently conservative argument:
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 16:50:36 (#)
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200510040003
HAHAHAHAH, americans are crazy
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Seriously...you guys are worse than muslims.
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Would rather be called crazy or a nazi? It goes both ways, and they are both stupid. I don't understand while you only see one side.
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Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:25:03 (#)
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ok indo, but the american way of life can still be summed up to being fat and taking medication to forget about it. you guys even came up with phony syndromes like ADD or ADHD and what not so you can justify your lack parental skills (because you're too busy working for that extra dollar with which you'll buy more meaningless crap)
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That is the western way of life. Happens anytime people become successful and have too much free time. That and worrying that the end is coming.
Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:34:27 EDT (#)
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indoninja is too reasonable...can't tick him off :-(
maybe HE is John Connor!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:32:21 EDT (#)
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-You think you didn't deserve retaliation? Do you realize that you can't go around and interfere with everyone's business without eventually pissing someone off? You've been tampering with the Middle East since forever and some nutjob, along with plenty of minions, had enough.
France, England, Germany, Russia and the UK haven't? These countries have conflicts. If oil supply is going to remain stable someone is going to intervene. If America wasn't doing it the most some other country would have stepped up. You do realize france is a rather large ars distributor to that region too don't you?
-I see americans call liberals traitors. I see americans bomb abortion clinics. I see americans with God Hates Fags at homosexual funerals. I see Ann Coulter, a best-seller author. I see Fox News. I see PLENTY of americans call for war against ANY country who speaks up against them. Just look at Venezuala or France.
You also see the opposite. When was the last abortion clinic bombing, and have you ever seen a mahor public figure praise them (even pat comes out against that). We have so much media here we have people catering to every type of view. Name a politician who called for war against those countries? I can find rabble rousers in any country calling for war against the US.
-(Firvilous lawsuits)- It's not a liberal/conservative thing. If so, prove it sans the usual partisan rhetoric.
Legislation to limit payouts on these lawsuits is always blocked by liberals (I agree sometimes they are too limiting). Look at the records of the Judges that agree to these amounts. The only specific law I can remember that didn't pass because of liberals was in Florida. They were trying to make it illegal to sue (the owner of property) for injuries you sustain while committing a crime on said property. didn't pass because of Democrats. Most of those huge figures are reduced in appeals, but it is insanity.
Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:29:59 EDT (#)
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To add to the violently conservative argument:
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 16:50:36 (#)
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200510040003
HAHAHAHAH, americans are crazy
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Seriously...you guys are worse than muslims.
Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:25:03 EDT (#)
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ok indo, but the american way of life can still be summed up to being fat and taking medication to forget about it. you guys even came up with phony syndromes like ADD or ADHD and what not so you can justify your lack parental skills (because you're too busy working for that extra dollar with which you'll buy more meaningless crap).
Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:20:19 EDT (#)
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- Mass recognition of frivilous lawsuits by the courts, with large awards generally going to the plaintiff, remove the concept of personal responsibility from American society for the most part. Now that it's the law, more people devote more energy into protecting their small bits of wealth from otehr sue-happy countrymen.
I agree with you here, but it looks like that is a trend being picked up by other countries. I don't know if it is our fault, but if you are going to blame the US for this be sure to realize it is the liberal mentality that doesn't believe in personal responsibility."""
It's not a liberal/conservative thing. If so, prove it sans the usual partisan rhetoric.
- Government consistently co-operates with large international corporations to ensure the American presence can be maintained, despite consequences on local conditions.
Once again look at any non-third world country for that. You should see plenty of exampoles of this especially in the petroleum industry."""
I agree.
- Government also consistently engages in flat out wars, covert operations, and so-called 'diplomatic activity' for whatever reason it sees fit. Cries when someone finally retaliates.
If we consistently engaged in flat out wars there would be a number of nuclear wastelands. I would love for you to explain to me in person how 9/11 wasn't worth crying over, and specifically how we deserved retaliation in that manner. And then you could pick up your teeth. """
You think you didn't deserve retaliation? Do you realize that you can't go around and interfere with everyone's business without eventually pissing someone off? You've been tampering with the Middle East since forever and some nutjob, along with plenty of minions, had enough.
- America now contains both the lewdest and also the most violently conservative populations on the planet, grossly taxes the shit out of itself and the countries it deals with to shift the wealth it possesses around. Yet doesn't view itself as anything other than innocent, awesome America.
Maybe you aren't canadian, if you are claiming we tax the shit out of ourselves. Lewdest in what way, fox news? We also have equally lewd liberal populations. And violent conservatives? When is the last time a women got acid thrown on her face here for not wearing a veil? Or that we had an honor killing?"""
I see americans call liberals traitors. I see americans bomb abortion clinics. I see americans with God Hates Fags at homosexual funerals. I see Ann Coulter, a best-seller author. I see Fox News. I see PLENTY of americans call for war against ANY country who speaks up against them. Just look at Venezuala or France.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:19:29 EDT (#)
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-We didn't exterminate them like you did. We are known to treat them very well in fact, even though we shouldn't, I think.
Because they were essential to your eraly economy. There are no benign reasons for this. You did exterminates some, and you stole just as much land.
-France had the same thing happen just slightly later. Plus, I remember reading that the founding fathers were greatly influenced by their time spent in France, not the UK.
No argument here, but we were first. Not saying to suck our dick, but I think it was a big milestone in the development of Democracy. Not just rich white guys saving money.
-I agree for Chamberlain. I t would be great if you stop claiming you saved the entire world and everybody did nothing though.
I only say that to piss people like this off.
-We do have celebrities. But Canadians don't care half as much as you do. Quebecers are kinda like americans on this though. The difference with us is that we're a struggling culture so anyone famous is celebrated and welcome. In the americans' case, it's because they lead such a boring money-driven life that they need voyeurism and looking at others lives instead of making one for themselves.
I don't give a rats ass about celebs. I don't know anyone who does. They are the same people who love MTV. And they are everywhere.
-I know many people who work in IT's in America. Apparently it's a widely common practice in america to stay in the office 80 hours/week, even though there aren't any real work or emergency to do, just so they can get an extra 50$ for bonus at the end of the week. Kinda like whores. The great majority of these people are usually fat fucks who sit all day, eat in vending machines and suffer from depression. Just look at the number of fat and/or meentally ill americans on Uber, it's frigthening.
I think the bonus is more then 50. I know people who do this, but it is not an American problem.
Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-05 10:08:33 EDT (#)
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How is your way of life any different than in America?"""
I know many people who work in IT's in America. Apparently it's a widely common practice in america to stay in the office 80 hours/week, even though there aren't any real work or emergency to do, just so they can get an extra 50$ for bonus at the end of the week. Kinda like whores. The great majority of these people are usually fat fucks who sit all day, eat in vending machines and suffer from depression. Just look at the number of fat and/or meentally ill americans on Uber, it's frigthening.
- Methodically commit genocide on multiple races of Aboriginal people to clear the way for their expansion west.
Aren't you canadian? I seem to remember indigenous people owning all that land what happened there?"""
We didn't exterminate them like you did. We are known to treat them very well in fact, even though we shouldn't, I think.
- Americans go to war over high taxes and declare independence from British masters.
They go to war over taxation without representation."""
Ok.
- Democratic principles of freedom, liberty and justice for all are (somewhat hypocritically) declared as the foundations of their society. We all know it's greed and looking out for number one that count the most.
Really? Yeah only white men being allowed to vote wasn't a perfect society, but allowing poor white people to vote was still a fairly advanced thought for the time. I also don't believe anywhere in the world (at least not in the UK, where most our laws came from) had something like the bill of rights, where all their rights were spelled out and protected. Not just assumed to be there in common law."""
France had the same thing happen just slightly later. Plus, I remember reading that the founding fathers were greatly influenced by their time spent in France, not the UK.
- WWII occurs, and despite having the ability to intervene in the early stages, allows many thousands to die because of their heritage before some trade ship gets sunk and decides thats worth fighting for.
What the fuck are you talking about? We entered WWII after pearl harbor. Or do you mean in terms of Arms? Fine we didn't join right away, but why not condemn Chamberlain for appeasment? If Britian had forced Germany to follow the terms agreed to after WWI they would have had the US help, and WWII would never had happened. It is just as stupid to blame them for not stopping the war as blaming the US."""
I agree for Chamberlain. I t would be great if you stop claiming you saved the entire world and everybody did nothing though.
- Democracy grows to matter less and less, it's the dollar that drives most people.
Where this you pull this from?"""
If I remember well, you have the lowest voting participation in the G8.
- Americans invent the celebrity and professional sport to take their minds of issues that really matter.
Didn't realize we were the only country with celebrities."""
We do have celebrities. But Canadians don't care half as much as you do. Quebecers are kinda like americans on this though. The difference with us is that we're a struggling culture so anyone famous is celebrated and welcome. In the americans' case, it's because they lead such a boring money-driven life that they need voyeurism and looking at others lives instead of making one for themselves.
- Supreme court determines that Corporations are actually people in the eyes of the law, allowing corporations to get away with a lot of shit internationally that no individual would ever be allowed to do without reprecussion. Thus initiating the newest and bestest form of imperialism. Greed begetting wealth through the exploitation of the greed of others. Environments, traditions, cultures, souls, and much more get destroyed to 'improve quality of life' for Americans and those they interact with.
Ever hear of the East India company, or is history too tough for you. More recently, in your own fiels BP, Total, Petrobel, the list goes on and on. This hardly started or is exclusive to America."""
I agree.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 09:42:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-10-04 20:49:45 (#)
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I think that I feel the way I do because I've come to learn that my life is in danger beacuse of your bullshit. Why wouldn't I be upset with you?
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Fuck you Q.
What did you take a job in the middle east? Guess what shithead it wouldn't pay as much if it wasn't dangerous. You are probably going to get paid 30x what the locals do, and it is America who is greedy and evil? You are a fucking hippocrite.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 09:37:09 EDT (#)
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Now the big fight is happening. Someone finally got sick enough of what your culture is doing to the planet that they've decided to take action. Was it the right action? Not in my eyes. But it has started something, and it was only a matter of time before the tension broke, someone called your bluff, and showed the world that America is not the invincible beast it has always made itself out to be.
And it's your own fault.
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My culture?
You dumb fuck. You have central air in your house. You drive a car. You go to movies. YOu look at porn. You go to bars. You have cable. And you waste time at work on Ubersite. It is your culture too, and until you stop using petroleum, stop working for the companies who get rich off of taking advantage of third world countries, move into a log cabin or a tee-pee and start growing everything you need it is your culture too, and you have absolutely zero to blame america for.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 09:32:56 EDT (#)
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It's this focus on maintaining your position in the world (the position that allows you to possess the most wealth) that is causing you to lose focus on truly nuturing your people in every other aspect. True protection, good education, physical health, political freedom...
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Name for me one country in the world that wants its people to be poorer? That wants to have less international power?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 09:31:49 EDT (#)
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Americans being the forerunners of the destruction of humanity as we know it over the motivating force of personal wealth. Paranoia causes you to build a military that posesses over 10 000 active nuclear devices worldwide, and expect that no one should be worried about this. You even go to lengths to ensure that no other country develops similar weapons. Even though you are are the only country to ever use such a device.
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Yep only americans care about personal wealth.
Ever hear of the Cold war? That would probably help you understand the 10,000 warheads. Yeah russia doesn't have them all pointing at us now, but nobody knows where they are going.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 09:28:56 EDT (#)
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- Mass recognition of frivilous lawsuits by the courts, with large awards generally going to the plaintiff, remove the concept of personal responsibility from American society for the most part. Now that it's the law, more people devote more energy into protecting their small bits of wealth from otehr sue-happy countrymen.
I agree with you here, but it looks like that is a trend being picked up by other countries. I don't know if it is our fault, but if you are going to blame the US for this be sure to realize it is the liberal mentality that doesn't believe in personal responsibility.
- Government consistently co-operates with large international corporations to ensure the American presence can be maintained, despite consequences on local conditions.
Once again look at any non-third world country for that. You should see plenty of exampoles of this especially in the petroleum industry.
- Government also consistently engages in flat out wars, covert operations, and so-called 'diplomatic activity' for whatever reason it sees fit. Cries when someone finally retaliates.
If we consistently engaged in flat out wars there would be a number of nuclear wastelands. I would love for you to explain to me in person how 9/11 wasn't worth crying over, and specifically how we deserved retaliation in that manner. And then you could pick up your teeth.
- America now contains both the lewdest and also the most violently conservative populations on the planet, grossly taxes the shit out of itself and the countries it deals with to shift the wealth it possesses around. Yet doesn't view itself as anything other than innocent, awesome America.
Maybe you aren't canadian, if you are claiming we tax the shit out of ourselves. Lewdest in what way, fox news? We also have equally lewd liberal populations. And violent conservatives? When is the last time a women got acid thrown on her face here for not wearing a veil? Or that we had an honor killing?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 09:18:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-10-04 20:49:45 (#)
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Fuck.
I've tried answering your question about four times now and have erased the text every time. It's made me realize that I could probably write a 400 page thesis on the topic.
The fact remains, however, that I do not like the American way of life.
Perhaps because it is obviously unsustainable...
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How is your way of life any different than in America?
- Methodically commit genocide on multiple races of Aboriginal people to clear the way for their expansion west.
Aren't you canadian? I seem to remember indigenous people owning all that land what happened there?
- Americans go to war over high taxes and declare independence from British masters.
They go to war over taxation without representation.
- Democratic principles of freedom, liberty and justice for all are (somewhat hypocritically) declared as the foundations of their society. We all know it's greed and looking out for number one that count the most.
Really? Yeah only white men being allowed to vote wasn't a perfect society, but allowing poor white people to vote was still a fairly advanced thought for the time. I also don't believe anywhere in the world (at least not in the UK, where most our laws came from) had something like the bill of rights, where all their rights were spelled out and protected. Not just assumed to be there in common law.
- WWII occurs, and despite having the ability to intervene in the early stages, allows many thousands to die because of their heritage before some trade ship gets sunk and decides thats worth fighting for.
What the fuck are you talking about? We entered WWII after pearl harbor. Or do you mean in terms of Arms? Fine we didn't join right away, but why not condemn Chamberlain for appeasment? If Britian had forced Germany to follow the terms agreed to after WWI they would have had the US help, and WWII would never had happened. It is just as stupid to blame them for not stopping the war as blaming the US.
- Democracy grows to matter less and less, it's the dollar that drives most people.
Where this you pull this from?
- Americans invent the celebrity and professional sport to take their minds of issues that really matter.
Didn't realize we were the only country with celebrities.
- Supreme court determines that Corporations are actually people in the eyes of the law, allowing corporations to get away with a lot of shit internationally that no individual would ever be allowed to do without reprecussion. Thus initiating the newest and bestest form of imperialism. Greed begetting wealth through the exploitation of the greed of others. Environments, traditions, cultures, souls, and much more get destroyed to 'improve quality of life' for Americans and those they interact with.
Ever hear of the East India company, or is history too tough for you. More recently, in your own fiels BP, Total, Petrobel, the list goes on and on. This hardly started or is exclusive to America.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-10-05 09:06:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by placenta (user info) at 2005-10-05 01:34:46 (#)
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:
A House bill has been introduced that would end the 22nd Amendment and allow George Bush to stay president indefinitely... granted he would have to run again. Considering how dismally retarded the Democratic Party is nowadays, he'll be president for a third term if these bill passes.
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution. (Introduced in House)
HJ 24 IH
109th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. J. RES. 24
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
February 17, 2005
Mr. HOYER (for himself, Mr. BERMAN, Mr. SENSENBRENNER, Mr. SABO, and Mr. PALLONE) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
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JOINT RESOLUTION
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution.
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:
`Article --
`The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is repealed.'.
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I think I recall hearing a few years ago that Bill Clinton was lobbying for the same amendment to be proposed so he could run for presidency again.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-05 09:04:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2005-10-05 07:58:05 (#)
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"Also we have mastered Irony which is the creators last gift to us after we wasted his longhair carpentry bitch of a son."
- - - One of the best lines I've ever read on this site!
"So as a race you are big bad and deadly.....and take yourselves far far to seriously....which makes us scared and hatefull....which gets your back up...whch maikes us scared and hatefull..... "
- - - This is the truest, most simple response I've got yet.
......................... And Angel was a kick ass show! I was really pissed when they cancelled it!
Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2005-10-05 07:58:05 EDT (#)
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Just a thought but maby its something to do with a nations arrogance...now im English and we actually KNOW we are the greatesst nation on the face of the earth but at the same time we are able to recognise our shortcomings and laugh at ourselves.
Also we have mastered Irony which is the creators last gift to us after we wasted his longhair carpentry bitch of a son.
Ways. America is without a doubt the most powerfull nation on the face of the planet ( fuck nows how and if the Arabs ever switch to dealing in Euro's you will all be the subjects of Bob Geldoffs next famine appeal as the Dollar is quite a laughably valueless currency otherwise.)
So as a race you are big bad and deadly.....and take yourselves far far to seriously....which makes us scared and hatefull....which gets your back up...whch maikes us scared and hatefull.....
Still I like you.
OZ
DEADWOOD
BUFFY / ANGEL
BLACK MIRROR AND THE EVIL EMPIRE
Popeye Doyle....the list is endless, When I make my move your deaths will be swift and painless.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-05 07:21:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-10-04 20:49:45 (#)
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Fuck.
I've tried answering your question about four times now and have erased the text every time. It's made me realize that I could probably write a 400 page thesis on the topic.
- - - "Don't you hate when that happens?"
Perhaps because it is obviously unsustainable... and being a living breathing thing with survival as my first priority... this bothers me. Even moreso because the influence America has gives you the key to pushing the entirety of the human race in pretty much any direction that you see fit.
- - - "I would argue that Europe, Canada, and Australia are right there with us."
Americans being the forerunners of the destruction of humanity as we know it over the motivating force of personal wealth. Paranoia causes you to build a military that posesses over 10 000 active nuclear devices worldwide, and expect that no one should be worried about this. You even go to lengths to ensure that no other country develops similar weapons. Even though you are are the only country to ever use such a device.
- - - "Personally, this bugs the shit out of me. I couldn't agree with you more."
How about the fact that most Americans I've met have been generally nice people, but seem oblivious to pretty much anything that doesn't effect them directly on a day to day basis. Even then, it seems that their knowledge of the things they think effect them on a day to day basis is limited.
- - - "I would Agree that most people I know are like this. Once again, I agree."
Or what about my personal favourite? The fact that America would invade my coutnry (Canada) at the drop of a hat if it meant securing natural resources, despite our history and supposed agreements of being such great allies?
- - - "Only with the current administration, of which I'm violently against."
Now the big fight is happening. Someone finally got sick enough of what your culture is doing to the planet that they've decided to take action. Was it the right action? Not in my eyes. But it has started something, and it was only a matter of time before the tension broke, someone called your bluff, and showed the world that America is not the invincible beast it has always made itself out to be.
- - - "Except these cultures you speak of (middle Eastern) are bombing places all over Europe, too)
Do you think this "war on terror" is going to stop when Bush leaves office? Good luck. You're in for it now. I hope that you truly do believe in the American way of life, are truly proud of that and are willing to defend it with your own life because that is the way it's going to be going down for many years to come
- - - "This nonsensical War will only end when we become a true Tri-partisan government, and we get the rupublican Zealots out of power. Yes, I really believe most of the evil in out country comes from them."
Submitted by Magic_Monkey (user info) at 2005-10-05 07:13:06 EDT (#)
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Hey Kaos
Where's my daily dose of awesome story ? I'm gettin angry here, and when i'm angry , people get hurt. Well , not really , but please post the rest of teh story quickly !!
Interesting point of view tho
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-05 07:06:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-04 19:14:46 (#)
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It doesn't actually rain that much in Britain (apart from wales) its just that the weather is so changeable it rains on an awful lot of days, some times it might have rained every day for a week, but only for a total time of about 2 hours.
Still thats what hair is for
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She was Leicster (sp?) at the university there, specializung in marketing. She travelled to Spain, Amsterdam, Italy, Scotland, and I know I'm forgetting one. She said she enjoyed Scotland the best. Anyhow, according to her, it rained 80% of the time there in England. She also made some friends who were also studying abroad there from Turkey. (said Turkish food is great!) She also said she got along with the British students better than the ones that had come from the States with her...
Submitted by placenta (user info) at 2005-10-05 01:34:46 EDT (#)
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:
A House bill has been introduced that would end the 22nd Amendment and allow George Bush to stay president indefinitely... granted he would have to run again. Considering how dismally retarded the Democratic Party is nowadays, he'll be president for a third term if these bill passes.
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution. (Introduced in House)
HJ 24 IH
109th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. J. RES. 24
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
February 17, 2005
Mr. HOYER (for himself, Mr. BERMAN, Mr. SENSENBRENNER, Mr. SABO, and Mr. PALLONE) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
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JOINT RESOLUTION
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution.
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:
`Article --
`The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is repealed.'.
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Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2005-10-05 00:11:41 EDT (#)
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In fact, I'm not ashamed to say that a couple of your stories inspired this one.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/76435
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2005-10-04 21:42:55 EDT (#)
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William Q is my hero.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 21:39:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-10-04 20:59:14 (#)
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That being said... perhaps it's just humanity that I can't stand, or udnerstand.
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In my case, that's what I think. I'm very arrogant with americans (http://www.ubersite.com/m/76461) but it's mostly because Uber is in majority american. I do the same with canadian or french or quebec forums. I just like to start shit.
But for real, the reason it's easy to pin the blame on America it's because it embodies this lifestyle our generation have all come to hate. It's a form of self-loathing that we redirect on our neighbors. Neighbors who do have their faults, but that are also victim of a war of ideologies - one which they embody.
Nice honest response Q!
Submitted by Kindred (user info) at 2005-10-04 21:29:33 EDT (#)
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+2 for _Q_
That was the most incredible review I've ever read (and mostly summed up all the thoughts I haven't been able to articulate).
Cut, Paste and turn that into a kick-ass post.
Well done.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-10-04 20:59:14 EDT (#)
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That being said... perhaps it's just humanity that I can't stand, or udnerstand.
It's foolish for me to pin all of that on America.
The world sucks. Who wants to live with me on the moon while we watch the world asplode?
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-10-04 20:49:45 EDT (#)
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Fuck.
I've tried answering your question about four times now and have erased the text every time. It's made me realize that I could probably write a 400 page thesis on the topic.
The fact remains, however, that I do not like the American way of life.
Perhaps because it is obviously unsustainable... and being a living breathing thing with survival as my first priority... this bothers me. Even moreso because the influence America has gives you the key to pushing the entirety of the human race in pretty much any direction that you see fit.
Which you do anyways.
GAH! See what I mean? It's so hard to find a point to begin. Then let's see how I view the history of America:
- Religious puritans leave Europe because they don't like how lewd the culture is becoming, decide to settle in America.
- Methodically commit genocide on multiple races of Aboriginal people to clear the way for their expansion west.
- Enlist the use of Slaves for labour (and rape/murder practice), allowing their economic engine to take off running.
- Americans go to war over high taxes and declare independence from British masters.
- Democratic principles of freedom, liberty and justice for all are (somewhat hypocritically) declared as the foundations of their society. We all know it's greed and looking out for number one that count the most.
- Eventually some figures emerge that look upon history's mistakes and make efforts to make their country a better place. Slaves are let free, women get to vote, slaves get to vote, democracy looks like it might work afterall.
- America sits back on a policy of isolationalism until world war breaks out. Uses last minute entrance into battle to catapult itself onto world stage.
- WWII occurs, and despite having the ability to intervene in the early stages, allows many thousands to die because of their heritage before some trade ship gets sunk and decides thats worth fighting for.
- Democracy grows to matter less and less, it's the dollar that drives most people.
- Americans invent the celebrity and professional sport to take their minds of issues that really matter.
- Supreme court determines that Corporations are actually people in the eyes of the law, allowing corporations to get away with a lot of shit internationally that no individual would ever be allowed to do without reprecussion. Thus initiating the newest and bestest form of imperialism. Greed begetting wealth through the exploitation of the greed of others. Environments, traditions, cultures, souls, and much more get destroyed to 'improve quality of life' for Americans and those they interact with.
- Mass recognition of frivilous lawsuits by the courts, with large awards generally going to the plaintiff, remove the concept of personal responsibility from American society for the most part. Now that it's the law, more people devote more energy into protecting their small bits of wealth from otehr sue-happy countrymen.
- Government consistently co-operates with large international corporations to ensure the American presence can be maintained, despite consequences on local conditions.
- Government also consistently engages in flat out wars, covert operations, and so-called 'diplomatic activity' for whatever reason it sees fit. Cries when someone finally retaliates.
- America now contains both the lewdest and also the most violently conservative populations on the planet, grossly taxes the shit out of itself and the countries it deals with to shift the wealth it possesses around. Yet doesn't view itself as anything other than innocent, awesome America.
Which leads us to where we are today...
Americans being the forerunners of the destruction of humanity as we know it over the motivating force of personal wealth. Paranoia causes you to build a military that posesses over 10 000 active nuclear devices worldwide, and expect that no one should be worried about this. You even go to lengths to ensure that no other country develops similar weapons. Even though you are are the only country to ever use such a device.
It's this focus on maintaining your position in the world (the position that allows you to possess the most wealth) that is causing you to lose focus on truly nuturing your people in every other aspect. True protection, good education, physical health, political freedom...
And that's just me scratching the surface of my thoughts on the subject.
How about the fact that most Americans I've met have been generally nice people, but seem oblivious to pretty much anything that doesn't effect them directly on a day to day basis. Even then, it seems that their knowledge of the things they think effect them on a day to day basis is limited.
Or what about my personal favourite? The fact that America would invade my coutnry (Canada) at the drop of a hat if it meant securing natural resources, despite our history and supposed agreements of being such great allies?
Fuck it.
Am I blaming America for everything that is wrong in this world? It might seem so, but I'm not. I just think the American way of life is a destructive and unsustainable thing, that most people are unable to resist. We're all greedy, but it has been Americans that have shown us how to take it to the furthest extreme.
I think that's why I resent you. Because to me, you represent the downfall of humanity.
Now the big fight is happening. Someone finally got sick enough of what your culture is doing to the planet that they've decided to take action. Was it the right action? Not in my eyes. But it has started something, and it was only a matter of time before the tension broke, someone called your bluff, and showed the world that America is not the invincible beast it has always made itself out to be.
And it's your own fault.
Do you think this "war on terror" is going to stop when Bush leaves office? Good luck. You're in for it now. I hope that you truly do believe in the American way of life, are truly proud of that and are willing to defend it with your own life because that is the way it's going to be going down for many years to come.
The only thing I am wishing for now is a voice of reason to come and remove all fear from your people. You fight because you're scared, it's obvious. It bothers people, it puts people on edge. I hope this voice can remove the fear that clouds your vision and show you the light of humanity and that there is more to life than your fucking economy and who Paris Hilton has fucked last.
I think that I feel the way I do because I've come to learn that my life is in danger beacuse of your bullshit. Why wouldn't I be upset with you?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-04 19:14:46 EDT (#)
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It doesn't actually rain that much in Britain (apart from wales) its just that the weather is so changeable it rains on an awful lot of days, some times it might have rained every day for a week, but only for a total time of about 2 hours.
Still thats what hair is for.
Submitted by HippoRapist (user info) at 2005-10-04 18:42:41 EDT (#)
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you are not fat?
http://www.ubersite.com/m/76461
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-04 18:37:54 EDT (#)
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Culture. It's all culture.
Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2005-10-04 17:11:25 EDT (#)
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hey man i've read almost everything you've done EXCEPT the series stuff.. I need to print em out and read them all at once over the weekend. THATS JUST HOW I ROLL.
Perhaps I should rate as often as I view.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 16:50:36 EDT (#)
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200510040003
HAHAHAHAH, americans are crazy
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2005-10-04 16:37:59 EDT (#)
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American Pride is taken to the extreme in the South
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-10-04 16:13:17 EDT (#)
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"If a man is born 20 miles away from the US border and another man is born 20 miles into Mexico, can the Mexican guy work for the American guy at $3/hour?
Submitted by hostileapostle (user info) at 2005-10-04 16:09:01 EDT (#)
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Sadly I don't fall into the whole GW Bush bashing crew....he's stupid, but he's not Satan.
I just wanted to point out that people in America DO have extreme hatred for other countries.
Like France. I don't know why, but a lot of Americans hate France. Most of them have never been there (I have, and it's a beautiful country) but they hate the country and they hate the people living there.
Just wanted to show that America is not the only place that's hated on by other countries.
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2005-10-04 14:35:20 EDT (#)
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Yeah, I never understood that myself. My guess is that Dubya's election polarized the rest of the world's opinions on the US, regardless how people here feel about him.
I dunno. Interesting seeing your political views...it's a departure from the metaphysical stuff, but insightful nonetheless.
So...how bout The Search: Part 6, eh? I'll trade you Noir 9 for it.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 14:17:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by goose (user info) at 2005-10-04 14:09:13 (#)
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The first time I went to Canada, we thought that everyone we met was mildly retarded because they were so nice to us.
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I laughed so hard at this I started choking. Thanks....
Submitted by goose (user info) at 2005-10-04 14:09:13 EDT (#)
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The first time I went to Canada, we thought that everyone we met was mildly retarded because they were so nice to us.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:56:23 EDT (#)
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Don't worry man, it just takes a little time and you have to touch on some firey topics such as this.
But its all perogative, I mean your stories are very good and if that is all you seek to share than so be it...I'm down...and I'll keep reading.
Oh and..............AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!
Foreigners are jealous of our prowess in cunnilingus and our big ass peckers.
Submitted by mbstateside (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:49:11 EDT (#)
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Shit!
Kaos I'm a Brit whose been living over here for over two years now (in two stints) and I'm actually only a state over from yourself (Indy) I'd love to get into this with you but right now I don't have time. I'll try to come back later and review but I may not have time. If you really want an honest response from someone who really has seen both sides of the story drop me an e-mail (mbstateside.at.hotmail.com)
Submitted by NRA (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:35:36 EDT (#)
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I support you tool.
Whoops I mean too.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:27:37 EDT (#)
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As long as John Connor is not Nick Stahl, I have good faith.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:21:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:16:56 (#)
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John Connor will save us all
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John Connor was American.
Or is American.
Or will be American, whatever.
And skynet was not made by the US. It was made by customer service centers in India, to answer phones for them.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:19:29 EDT (#)
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Fuck me with a lit road flare! This actually made the most heated list! I've never done that before with over 60 posts under my belt - wow!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:16:56 EDT (#)
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John Connor will save us all
Submitted by jack11058 (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:09:20 EDT (#)
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good post
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:05:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:25:43 (#)
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Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:16:22 (#)
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The fact that you don't give a shit about the environment, for starters.
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I have a bumper sticker that says, "The Earth Does Not Belong To Us, We Belong To The Earth."
I strongly feel that enviromentalists are only truly concerned for themselves. They want to make sure that THEY have continued survival, their concern is not for the planet itself.
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Well an anti-pollution bumper stick is one of the stupidest contradictions out there (no offence). I'd say I'm concerned about the environment because it scares me to think how some people aren't. It's not for my own personal survival or whatever, I live in a clean area in Canada, I see that there are places in the world being destroyed by arrogant people and that pisses me off.
Submitted by alragusa (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:00:26 EDT (#)
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Bashing America reminds me of that skit in Life of Brian:
Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Revolutionary I: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, peace! Shut up!
Just like Rome brought other lands into (the then) modern times but became bloated, America is following the same path. Don't forget that the World's best (and worst) people come here so we will produce quality and crap. As for the current administration, it is no more or less corrupt than the last 5 or 6. And, while we may be doing it in different ways, I don't see America trying to colonize other lands, like England, Spain, France, etc. did for hundreds of years. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 13:00:04 EDT (#)
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I'm thinking about opening a mosque.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:54:42 EDT (#)
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I'm sleepy. Pretend I said something insightful about the US being the proverbial 900 kilo gorilla or whatever.
Plus truth be told this place is a large, 50 state wide nuthouse. We're made up of all of the rest of the world's rejects, miscreants, delinquents, malefactors. It's a wonder we haven't ripped each other to shreds.
(I don't really know what miscreant means because I went to public school - but it looks impressive doesn't it)
4.5 hours until I can take a nap
Submitted by HighFructoseCornSyrup (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:47:21 EDT (#)
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I don't think anybody gives a shit about the environment except university professors.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:40:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:26:21 (#)
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their culture which appeals to the lowest common denominator."""
To add to that argument...like a disease, your culture attacks the weak. Every poor kid in my neighborhood is turning into a gansta' nigger and every little girls are dressing like pop whores. Eventually their sheer number will cause normal kids with potential to become american-like because of peer pressure.
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That isn't american like. That is like saying people acting like chavs are british like, or people eating maple syurp and riding skidoos are canadain like...doh.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:36:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:35:54 (#)
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Damn Caul... You are one angry dude...
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I'm exagarating to cause a stir but obviously, my game is old.
See my last review for my real opinion.
p.s. I still hate your tourists :-)
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:35:54 EDT (#)
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Damn Caul... You are one angry dude...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:30:50 EDT (#)
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Could it be that Canada is just evolving along the same lines as the US?"""
Most likely. But isn't it better to blame someone for it? And since America is the tip of the spear in whatever direction we take, it makes a perfectly good reason.
I obviously exagarated in my last reviews.
However, to be serious now, there is no jealous or envy in anti-americanism. There is self-loathing. We hate what we're becoming and we point our fingers to what embodies it.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:26:21 EDT (#)
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their culture which appeals to the lowest common denominator."""
To add to that argument...like a disease, your culture attacks the weak. Every poor kid in my neighborhood is turning into a gansta' nigger and every little girls are dressing like pop whores. Eventually their sheer number will cause normal kids with potential to become american-like because of peer pressure.
These kids will grow up thinking that money and popularity are virtues. Since everybody around them are also the same shallow assholes, they will consume more and more to feel better as humans. Then they will become unhappy. They'll start overeating and/or popping medication. They will sit down in front of the TV for the majority of their remaining existence and swallow the bullshit.
It's a vicious circle and all Western culture is slowly spiraling right down the toilet.
Why? Because of the American advent.
Submitted by alas_me (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:26:07 EDT (#)
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I will vouch for my own anti-american posts to someone who has a brain as simply comedy. You know its like a red-rag to a bull thing to read all the hilarious "fuck you" resposes an anti-american posts gets. I like to wind people up, and my posts are so openly meant to be a joke that its even funnier when people expend energy getting eound up about them. People are people good and bad anywhere - it realy is as simple as that - amen
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:25:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:16:22 (#)
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The fact that you don't give a shit about the environment, for starters.
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I have a bumper sticker that says, "The Earth Does Not Belong To Us, We Belong To The Earth."
I strongly feel that enviromentalists are only truly concerned for themselves. They want to make sure that THEY have continued survival, their concern is not for the planet itself.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:19:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:05:04 (#)
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Canadian culuture, if there's such a thing, is the same as America. We've been converted, except maybe here in QC where it's slightly different. But slowly, elements of the American disease is taking over aspects of our society that were still slightly different. Especially the media.
It's a shame really.
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So you feel as if your culture is slowly becoming "Americanized?" Could it be that Canada is just evolving along the same lines as the US? With global communication so easily accessible, it would make sense to me that Canada, most of Europe, Australia, and the US would all be progressing in the same direction.
I know music, so I find that this is the easiest way for me the explain certain things. The Bristol music scene spawned "Trip-hop" which has been embraced by US rap producers. Rap grew in popularity until finally groups from Britian like THe Streets have emerged. Hell, The Beatles grew up on old American Blues and they in returned changed music in the United States forever. It's a give and take.
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:16:22 EDT (#)
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The fact that you don't give a shit about the environment, for starters. Really comes across as large group of extremely self-interested people who are ignorant to any balance needed to properly run a country. Blindly following capitalism won't work. It isn't working.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:15:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:02:57 (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:38:11 (#)
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No, not really antius, not really. Obscene patriotism, salute the flag nonsense is very much an american phenomenon.
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Omly people I ever saluting the flag are in the military, and it isn't just the US.
If I threw up a post bashing the UK how many british people would auto -2 it. If you do the same to the US you will get some of us to +2 it. """
i think, if ti was done in good taste, we would +2 it. There is no people who like to self-depreciate more than the brits.
But we are no very good at it.
Submitted by yabbo (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:11:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:05:04 (#)
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Canadian culuture, if there's such a thing, is the same as America. We've been converted, except maybe here in QC where it's slightly different. But slowly, elements of the American disease is taking over aspects of our society that were still slightly different. Especially the media.
It's a shame really.
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I think you can throw in the Newfie culture as slightly different too.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:09:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:04:41 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:00:44 (#)
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As much as you, them, and the world (me sometimes) may hate the fast food MTV culture it is taking over."""
Yes, AIDS is gaining ground too. Doesn't mean it's a good thing.
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In some places I would argue with you about that, but good point. If you hated aids, does that mean you hate africans because it came from there?
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Africans try to fight AIDS, it's not the same. Americans promote, spread and in some case ENFORCE their culture which appeals to the lowest common denominator. So in this case, americans are the virus themselves.
p.s. I'm good at hate speech no?
Submitted by yabbo (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:09:34 EDT (#)
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To put it simply.
Canada = Jan Brady
US = Marsha Brady
Both nice but one overshadows the other
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:05:04 EDT (#)
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Canadian culuture, if there's such a thing, is the same as America. We've been converted, except maybe here in QC where it's slightly different. But slowly, elements of the American disease is taking over aspects of our society that were still slightly different. Especially the media.
It's a shame really.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:04:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:00:44 (#)
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As much as you, them, and the world (me sometimes) may hate the fast food MTV culture it is taking over."""
Yes, AIDS is gaining ground too. Doesn't mean it's a good thing.
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In some places I would argue with you about that, but good point. If you hated aids, does that mean you hate africans because it came from there?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:02:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:38:11 (#)
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No, not really antius, not really. Obscene patriotism, salute the flag nonsense is very much an american phenomenon.
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Omly people I ever saluting the flag are in the military, and it isn't just the US.
If I threw up a post bashing the UK how many british people would auto -2 it. If you do the same to the US you will get some of us to +2 it.
I woud concede we have more people with American flag stickers on our cars but how much does that bit of nationalism cost us? You guys still support a monarchy, you support nobility, and we are crazy nationalists because of a little sticker?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:01:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:49:56 (#)
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I believe in meerly because these things are universally popular"""
They are popular because the US is the current dominating nation. It leads the entertainment industry. We can barely compete so eventually people convert to it from being exposed to it. Kinda like a disease.
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Wow, Caul... do you really believe that? Maybe I'm way off base here, but Canadian music and American music seems pretty much the same to me. (The Tea Party and Tegan & Sara rule!!!) Hell, I would LOVE to get MuchMusic down here. It actually plays music videos!!!
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:01:15 EDT (#)
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Penis Envy.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 12:00:44 EDT (#)
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As much as you, them, and the world (me sometimes) may hate the fast food MTV culture it is taking over."""
Yes, AIDS is gaining ground too. Doesn't mean it's a good thing.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:56:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by houseman (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:47:59 (#)
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Quote "Okay... back to writing a shitty ongoing series about wacky metaphysical stuff that barely anyone reads... " Wow buddy this is so untrue. I am sure their have to be others that check uber at 5 minute intervals searching for your latest posts. Surely I am not the only sick person reading this stuff?
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Thanks man! That means a lot to me. I've put a lot of time and thought into my fiction posts. I really appreciate that people read them and enjoy them.
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:54:09 EDT (#)
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Thanks apollo. I thought that one would go unnoticed.
And just for your information, I moved out of my mom's basement years ago. Now I live in my wife's basement. So THERE!
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:53:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:38:11 (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:35:35 (#)
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Submitted by Bigmike (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:26:00 (#)
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In other words, we think we are the shiznit
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But doesn't every country feel that way? Doesn't every person feel a certain "pride" in their nationality? Why is it when we Americans speak of pride in our country, the rest of the world looks down on us? """
No, not really antius, not really. Obscene patriotism, salute the flag nonsense is very much an american phenomenon.
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HA! I was one of those assholes who got in trouble in High School because I refused to say the Pledge. I think Al Fraken made a good point. He said (Paraphrasing) "Republican have a love of the country that is like the way a small child loves mommy and daddy. Mommy and Daddy can do no wrong! Democrats love their country in a way that adults love their parents. Adults still love the parent, but know that their parent is capable of making mistakes."
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:52:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:25:30 (#)
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except the french they have been looking for an excuse for years, it is their inferiority complex."""
Funny, they tell me they just can't stand the anglo-saxxon "culture" (i.e. obesity, reality TV, consumerism) polluting theirs.
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Ok you can blame us for obesity and reality TV, but consumerism? No way dude.
As much as you, them, and the world (me sometimes) may hate the fast food MTV culture it is taking over.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:49:56 EDT (#)
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I believe in meerly because these things are universally popular"""
They are popular because the US is the current dominating nation. It leads the entertainment industry. We can barely compete so eventually people convert to it from being exposed to it. Kinda like a disease.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:49:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by houseman (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:47:59 EDT (#)
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Quote "Okay... back to writing a shitty ongoing series about wacky metaphysical stuff that barely anyone reads... " Wow buddy this is so untrue. I am sure their have to be others that check uber at 5 minute intervals searching for your latest posts. Surely I am not the only sick person reading this stuff?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:45:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:25:30 (#)
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except the french they have been looking for an excuse for years, it is their inferiority complex."""
Funny, they tell me they just can't stand the anglo-saxxon "culture" (i.e. obesity, reality TV, consumerism) polluting theirs.
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I believe in social and cultural evolution. A country can't expect to participate in world affairs without evolving along with the rest of the world. If you choose not to, then you must live in isolation. This Anglo-Saxxon Culture that you're saying is polluting their culture - How is this possible? It is only because these things are deemed popular by a wide range of people. The Middle East countries argue the same point, but they are happy to be entertained by Western world's Songs and movies. I believe in meerly because these things are universally popular, regardless of how trite and cheap they may be.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:43:34 EDT (#)
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What is it about this nation that offends you so much?"""
Personally, I hate how your shitty superficial culture (which only dominates because of its overwhelming presence, not quality) infiltrates everybody's mind. It's also safe to conclude, from personal accounts and others, that all US tourists are the most vile and despicable creatures to ever walk the Earth, children included. Even lower than ghetto niggers, which you spawned too.
You are not all fat? Here's some news that got out just this morning: http://tinyurl.com/8bhkm
Submitted by johnhutch (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:41:12 EDT (#)
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The administration undoubtedly has a great deal to do with it, what with their constant slights and exlusionary tactics. Someone elese here will likely delve into that much further than I feel like going.
But I'd also like to point out a problem that's very visible here on ubersite: stupid, ignorant fuckhead americans. They hate everyone and everything that isn't Republican America and they're incredibly vocal about it. Granted, we understand that they are a tiny minority, but they're one of the loudest. Should a frenchman come to uber and see all the bullshit slung about his person based entirely on bullshit generalizations from a bunch of people he's never met, what's he going to think? (I've been to Paris. The generalizations are false. Trust me.)
It's the Pat Robertsons, the Ted Nugeants, that senator that coined the term "freedom fries." It's the HMOs telling our media that Canadian drugs are sub quality. It's the constant AMERICAN FUCK YEAH bullshit that puts people off. People seem unable to empathize with the rest of the world. Could you imagine the American outrage if everytime we turned on the television, there was some BBC hack talking about how Britain is the greatest country in the world?
Empathy. America could do with some more. This nationalistic bullshit is going to get us all killed.
Submitted by Sofa_Ace (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:38:59 EDT (#)
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What you have to keep in mind is, fuck the rest of the world. We can take them all, at the same time. Canada has a problem with us? fuck those moose loving, hockey playing bastards. If they want to talk shit, let them cross that border and see what happens. And the French? Fuck the French. What have they ever given us? Bernaise sauce? Can I put bernaise sauce in my gas tank and drive to work? no. Now, the oil producing nations, those are the ones we need to watch out for. They've got us by the balls. Not because we really need them, but only because you liberal bastards won't let us drill in Alaska, and the Florida coast. Why the fuck not? Are you really worried about some fucking caribou? What we should do is use the caribou to feed the people who brave the tundra to get us that oil. And the fish in the gulf? Fry those fuckers up, am I the only one who thinks anymore? God put animals here for us to eat, and oil in the earth for us to refine into gasoline that we can use to run our cars. It's in the bible; I read it.
I actually don't believe any of that ... well, except the eating fish and caribou part.
Being American is like having a little brother that's always up in your business, bothering you. The little bastard pisses you off a lot, and you're sure that he pisses off a lot of people. You talk shit about him because you can, but if someone else talks shit it's gonna be a fight, cause he's still family.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:38:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:35:35 (#)
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Submitted by Bigmike (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:26:00 (#)
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In other words, we think we are the shiznit
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But doesn't every country feel that way? Doesn't every person feel a certain "pride" in their nationality? Why is it when we Americans speak of pride in our country, the rest of the world looks down on us? """
No, not really antius, not really. Obscene patriotism, salute the flag nonsense is very much an american phenomenon.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:37:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:29:48 (#)
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I always thought that the hatred was all in good fun?
You mean those limey bastards (who would have lost WWII without us, I might add) really don't like us?!
Those ASSHOLES! """
SO WHICH PART OF THE WAR WERE YOU IN THEN???
TANK DRIVER WERE YOU??
IT is just this type of (no doubt) fat boastful, historically misinformed, brain dead, teenaged american that gets right up my nose. HEY LISTEN TO ME, WHEN YOU MOVE OUT OF YOUR MOM'S BASEMENT come back with an opinion.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:35:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bigmike (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:26:00 (#)
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In other words, we think we are the shiznit
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But doesn't every country feel that way? Doesn't every person feel a certain "pride" in their nationality? Why is it when we Americans speak of pride in our country, the rest of the world looks down on us?
Once again, I don't have an unwaivering patriotic sense of pride. I am an Earthling first, A human... an American second.
Submitted by GrayGhost (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:35:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ozzy (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:33:10 EDT (#)
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I had the pleasure of spending 2 months backpacking through your fine country last year. As in most countries I've visited (around 30 at last count) I was welcomed and found the people to be friendly and hospitable.
I feel the reason for the so called "Anti-American" sentiment is caused by the stereotyped, infamous minority of Americans.
To draw a rather poor comparison, the non-Muslim world doesn't hate Muslims. It hates the extreme element among them who decide to blow up themselves and other innocent bystanders.
In America's case, I think the world hates the extreme patriotism/arrogance among a small percentage of your citizens. It's fine to love your country, but the small percentage who have the attitude, "Fuck the rest of the world, America is the greatest" are what makes your country fall short of what it could be/was previously.
I for one am happy America has been and is still the worlds biggest super power. It could be ALOT worse.
Submitted by meomy (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:32:03 EDT (#)
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I was born 20 miles from the Canadian border in NY, and moved down state at an early age. I do how ever have many friends in that town, and when we were not old enough to drink in the US it was easy to go over the border and get drunk for a night and come back. Also most of the guys liked the full nude strip clubs. Although Canada was good to us, most of them now have some sort of grudge towards the people of the country.
I my self do not understand it, and I would like to say I love to go to Canada.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:30:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:25:30 (#)
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except the french they have been looking for an excuse for years, it is their inferiority complex."""
Funny, they tell me they just can't stand the anglo-saxxon "culture" (i.e. obesity, reality TV, consumerism) polluting theirs."""
it's good having a token frenchy to wind up.
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:29:48 EDT (#)
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I always thought that the hatred was all in good fun?
You mean those limey bastards (who would have lost WWII without us, I might add) really don't like us?!
Those ASSHOLES!
Submitted by Average_Dan (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:28:43 EDT (#)
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If I wasn't American, I would probably hate us too.
I would really like to thank W for taking his imperialistic aggression abroad, so the whole
world hates us enough to mount terrorist attacks against us at home, and for being so blind
to the cause-effect relationshipof these attacks that instead of doing what he can to ease the
tension, he creates a police state, kills the fourth amendment, and bombs foreign countries,
multiplying the number of people that hate us.
How was that for a run-on?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:27:55 EDT (#)
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In other words, we think we are the shiznit."""
Bigmike speaks reality.
Submitted by celine (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:27:20 EDT (#)
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You'd be surprised at the number of New Yorkers who have never left the city in their entire lives.
Submitted by Bigmike (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:26:00 EDT (#)
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People from around the world hate us because our leadership is either arrogant or oversexed.
In other words, we think we are the shiznit.
You should care about the environment kaos, how we care for it is a part of the legacy we leave.
Submitted by supervixen (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:25:43 EDT (#)
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It's the same over here, really
Perth is like a million miles away from Brissy, or anywhere for that matter.
We've only got a handful of states but there's definite differences
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:25:30 EDT (#)
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except the french they have been looking for an excuse for years, it is their inferiority complex."""
Funny, they tell me they just can't stand the anglo-saxxon "culture" (i.e. obesity, reality TV, consumerism) polluting theirs.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:24:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:23:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:21:40 EDT (#)
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foreing ot a new yorker as a canadian """
um, foreign to a new yorker as a canadian that should have been
Submitted by supervixen (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:21:13 EDT (#)
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Aussie
I'm not anti-Ameicans.
Mostly just anti-George W.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:20:57 EDT (#)
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i am going to write about this properly one day.
I did have a half baked email correspondance with loki about it.
what people have to remember and what a lot of other countries can't get is that a southern american is as foreing ot a new yorker as a canadian is to an australian.
perhaps more so.
america is made up of lots of different nations almost.
america used to be cool. everything cool was american when I was a lad.
why do people suddenly dislike america?
they don't.
they dislike gw bush and his cronies.
except the french they have been looking for an excuse for years, it is their inferiority complex.
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:18:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-04 11:17:27 EDT (#)
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American culture"""
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