To anyone who believes the death penalty is effective: Learn to Read (1298 hits)
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Submitted by PimpytheClown (View user info) at 2005-10-05 18:11:45 EDT
First off let me say I am not against capital punishment.
But I am tired of people placing someone who is against the death penalty immediately into the category of "tree humping hippie liberal"
A couple of facts:
1. In the last 30 years more than 20 people were executed and later found to be not guilty of a capital crime, more than 5 of these were found to be not guilty of any crime.
2. It costs approximately 3 TIMES as much to execute someone in this country than it does to put them in prison the rest of their lives. Want to shorten the appeals process...see #1
3. 75% of inmates on death row are black. Now I can already hear the ubernazis saying thats cause blacks committ more crimes and this and that, but it actually has to do with money. The ratio of criminals charged with a capital crime is almost even, but a white defendant is more likely to have money for attorneys and appeals. The rest have to make do with overworked civil servants.
4. Redemption. Now I cant quote facts about this as its a more spiritual theme, but I'm sure I can get some of the Bible thumpers with me on this one. No one is above redemption. I example I can quote is Jeffrey Dahmer. Probably the poster boy for what the death penalty should be used for, and I have to admit I agreed, until about 3 months before he was killed when I read an article in newsweek, claiming that Jeffrey Dahmer had been ordained as a Christian minister and was quoted as saying he didnt ever deserve a chance at getting out, but while he was alive he was going to try and do some good. Say what you will.
Everyone likes to quote the Bible, an eye for an eye.
'...the problem with an eye for an eye is that everybody ends up blind." (if you can attribute that quote, you're as big a nerd as me...on this site I expect a few will be able to)
Except the Bible also says "judge not lest ye be judged" I love those old biblical hippies and their seesaw antics.
Now I expect to get some lovely feedback especially with this being my first post. I probably should have broached a more popular topic (I was thinking of some segments about past relationships, I dated a Turkish girl that makes some of these uberchicks (love ya ladies) look like June Cleaver and Martha Stewarts lesbian love child.
So have at me...especially you uberladies, I am soon to be not-putty in your hands
Just a sidenote, most posters I read seem to come from east coast or england. Are there west coasters. I'm in northern california (hard to guess from the post huh)
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Submitted by cbear1856 (user info) at 2005-10-06 13:38:34 EDT (#)
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Castration doesnt remove sexual all sexual desire, especially deviant behavior, hence my vote for chemical castration.
kill all murderers immediately: not even worth a response. not flawed logic, just no logic whatsoever.
legalize all drugs: hey i luv a good joint as much as the next guy, but its bad for ya, not as bad as they say, but still bad. We already condone drug use in so many areas of society, do we really need to encourage that type of behavior with law?
i love the last line unabonger, thats like saying college should be free, of course it should but nobody knows how the fuck to do it.
simple answers dont solve complex problems.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-10-06 12:25:26 EDT (#)
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it costs 3 times more to execute someone than to keep them incarcerated for the rest of their lives, huh? only if you count the tax dollars not collected by the State for having another inmate and the money thrown away in appeals. But injecting someone with Clorox is certainly cheaper than feeding them peanut butter and jelly for the next 50 years. We shouldn't abolish the death penalty, only change the appeals process. That's what you're talking about, right? That a regular life sentenced inmate has 1/3 the appeals as an inmate on the death penalty?
it is in Matthew 5:38 that states something about an eye for an eye...
...but this is what matthew 5:39 says: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Eye for an eye was originally somewhere in Hammurabi's Code. The bible could be interpreted to mean either...like much of the bible. Use it to what's convenient to you, I guess.
It's a matter of opinion and anyone who uses a contradicting, open-for-interpretation document (like the Bible) to derive their opinions about punishment for crimes shouldn't have an opinion that counts. The bible doesn't say anything about punishment for anything other than damnation. So you could interpret that to mean we shouldn't incarcerate anyone because they will have damnation eventually and it's not our place to punish the wicked.
I say castrate rapists and child molesters. Kill murderers immediately. Legalize every drug. Pay cops more. Make more laws that directly affect the judicial system to eliminate certain crimes going unpunished and drastically reduce the amount of unjust incarcerations.
Submitted by cbear1856 (user info) at 2005-10-06 11:59:31 EDT (#)
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Another happy little factoid is the list of countries that will try and execute a minor as an adult. I'm not sure I have all of them correct but here goes...
Iraq (pre invasion)
Saudi Arabia
Nigeria
Iran
Sudan or some other African country
and the Good ol US of A....
What a great group to be included in, got most of bushs axis of evil right along with us...
A lot of people seem to have missed the first line of my post. I go back and forth with capital punishment, especially every time I put myself into the shoes of a victim. If someone raped and murdered my daughter, I wouldnt want him executed, I'd want to do it myself, slowly, over many years (think sloth in 7even) That's why grieving fathers dont get to impose sentencing on criminals in this country.
I think we as a society need to get more creative, cause what we've been doing DOES NOT WORK. Rehabilitation for drug offenders, chemical castration for rapists and molesters, and go back to the days of HARD TIME for violent and repeat offenders. Work camps, chain gangs, that sort of thing. If you kill someone you dont get to live out the rest of your life acting like Schlessinger on OZ sittin on your ass every day, you're going to work like a dog 18 hours a day for the rest of your life. Why do we think killing them is such a good punishment? Do we know for a fact that theyre rotting in hell? I'd sure like to hope so, but just in case let's make sure we make them pay while theyre here. I think Timothy Mcveigh should have been made to work 18 hour days in a coal mine, and when he gets back to his 3x3 cell with hay for a bed every night there is a different victims family member there to punch him in the nose. Death is too easy a way out.
Vengenance is not just, and thats what capital punishment is. Violence begets violence, and in our society especially, we could do with a little less blood lust.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-06 10:48:21 EDT (#)
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Whatever. Let's just agree to disagree and be done arguing about it - god knows we've all got better ways to spend our time.
My apologies for my share of the shit-stirring and for offending anyone.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-06 10:15:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-06 09:31:43 (#)
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-My point is that the only reason many americans "believe" it is ethical to execute criminals is because that is how our society has programmed people to think, regardless of whether it is correct to think that way.
If our society programmed us to think that way why are so many Americans against it? And you know the "correct" way to think? The correct way to think is that you are right, and everyone else is blindly following the govt's programming? The correct way to think is that anybody that disagrees with you didn't actually give thought to an issue, they are just too programmed to see the truth? Get over yourself.
-And BASIC moral principles do NOT vary from person to person. Yes, Stabby - there ARE *universal* ethics. One large one to be specific. It states "do not do unto others what you do not want done unto yourself." (NOT the "Golden Rule" - read it carefully.) I sure as hell wouldn't want someone to lethally execute me, nothing gives them that right, so why should support it being done for someone else? Would YOU want someone to kill you? I have no problems with punishment for criminals but there are extremes that should never be breached.
I woldn't want someone to throw me in jail. I wouldn't want to pay a parking ticket. So why should I support it being done to someone else? This is a weak argument. If you are going to give the state the power to punish (which it does in every society), the death penalty becomes a question of degree of punishment you will allow. Personally I think I would rather get death then life in jail.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-06 10:12:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Whiplash (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:21:35 (#)
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Good points, but I still support capitol punishment. Not only that, but I feel like it should be reformed, things such as: No more waiting list and death row. You're convicted? You get a week to say bye to everyone, then you're set on fire. No questions asked. I don't know, who am I to voice my opinion though.
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Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:16:34 (#)
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Man, I'm all for abortions and the death penalty. LETS KILL SOME PEOPLE! I don't give a shit about what God wants. All I care about what I want! And in this particular instance, I want there to be no more overpopulation! GO CLEAN WATER WOO!
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Yep... These 2 reviwes pretty much sum up my beliefs on the subject. And yes, I'm all for killing the unborn...
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-06 09:33:59 EDT (#)
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On a side note, I think this is the highest hit count ever on a n00b post. Good work Pimpy.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-06 09:31:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-05 23:57:21 (#)
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Thorns is a nutjob as well.
You will never hear one argue the point of the victims of a person who is on death row. They have no rights, for they are dead. Their life shortened by a worthless sack of shit criminal, of the likes thorns wants to keep alive for ethical reasons.
Ethical? ETHICAL? Moral principals vary from person to person, Thorns. Your "ethical" arguement does not apply to everyone. Ask a muslim what is ethical to do to a thief and they will say to cut off his hand and they believe this.
Many americans believe it > IS < ethical to execute criminals.
I would hope that Captain Thorn believes abortion is unethical if he believes capital punishment is. If he doesn't, he's a hypocrite.
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For the record, yes, I do believe abortion is unethical, with the exception of the case where the mother will die if the fetus is not aborted.
My point is that the only reason many americans "believe" it is ethical to execute criminals is because that is how our society has programmed people to think, regardless of whether it is correct to think that way.
And BASIC moral principles do NOT vary from person to person. Yes, Stabby - there ARE *universal* ethics. One large one to be specific. It states "do not do unto others what you do not want done unto yourself." (NOT the "Golden Rule" - read it carefully.) I sure as hell wouldn't want someone to lethally execute me, nothing gives them that right, so why should support it being done for someone else? Would YOU want someone to kill you? I have no problems with punishment for criminals but there are extremes that should never be breached.
Call me a nutjob if you will, glad that makes you feel better about your insecure self.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-06 08:19:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-05 23:39:46 (#)
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-What? That's the shittiest logic I ever heard. How is a speeding ticket stealing, or imprisonment kidnapping? Both of those enforce ethical and universal "common good" values - they correct behavior (in most cases). The death penalty enforces no ethical values - it serves strictly as a "garbage disposal" method of getting rid of people that others don't like, rather than making an effort to ethically influence the offender's behavior and reassimilate them into society as a valued, contributing citizen of the system.
You can't enforce common good values by getting rid of people who show absolutely no respect for those values? Anyway killing, imprisoning, and fining are all a form of punishment and rehabilitation (dead people don't commit crimes) if you can society has the right to do one, it has the right to do all of them.
-The problem with the USA national government and the ultraconservative capitalistic socioeconomic views that it thrusts into everyone's face is that it has brainwashed the majority of people into believing we can "spend away" our problems with the criminal element. That is simply not true nor acceptable.
We do have to "spend away" our problems. That isn't a conservative view point that is common sense. The debate comes in as where to spend. After school programs, rehab instead of jail, stiffer penalties, 3 strikes you are out. these are all options that have different backing, but they all cost money. Personally I think if you recive public aid you should have one of those norplants implanted so you can't have kids.
-Truly, no one deserves death. No matter what. Even the simplest of ethical systems dictate that another human's life is not ours to take, no matter what the circumstances.
Completely wrong here. Most people think it is ethical to take someones life if they are threatening you or your family. If someone was going to try and rape your wife and kill you would you kill them, if so then you can't say that the death penalty is ethically wrong. A repeat offender of rape or murder will most likely do it again when they get out of jail. Killing them will stop this(as will real life sentences, which I am also in favor of).
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-06 08:07:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-10-06 04:39:22 (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-05 23:57:21 (#)
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I would hope that Captain Thorn believes abortion is unethical if he believes capital punishment is. If he doesn't, he's a hypocrite.
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Only one of the above cases involves the death of a person. A morally flawed person is far more valuable than an amoral object.
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Really? I look at it like an embryo is a blank slate. It might sure cancer or it might be a serial killer, but it will probably just be another working stiff. Personally I think the blank slate desreves a crack at life more than someone who has done nothing but harm society seserves another shot.
I am for abortion and the death penalty (in cases where there is no doubt) for multiple rapes or murders.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-10-06 04:49:43 EDT (#)
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Fucking commies come crawling out of the woodwork screaming for the blood of the "proleteriat traitors!"
You people make me sick, how you can call yourselves americans is beyond me.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-10-06 04:39:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-05 23:57:21 (#)
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I would hope that Captain Thorn believes abortion is unethical if he believes capital punishment is. If he doesn't, he's a hypocrite.
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Only one of the above cases involves the death of a person. A morally flawed person is far more valuable than an amoral object.
Submitted by Boon (user info) at 2005-10-06 04:10:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by minnowtaur (user info) at 2005-10-06 02:10:28 EDT (#)
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'...the problem with an eye for an eye is that everybody ends up blind." (if you can attribute that quote, you're as big a nerd as me...on this site I expect a few will be able to)
its gandhi!
"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.' At this rate the world will end up blind and toothless."
thats how i heard it anyway
Submitted by Rasta (user info) at 2005-10-06 01:52:35 EDT (#)
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Kill em quick and put em in the ground.
Your example is an excellent success record. If the shuttle had a record like that it would still be flying.
When you are the victim you will forget all about this silliness of be kind to the criminal.
Hell they like jail and don't fear it.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-10-06 00:27:00 EDT (#)
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"Except the Bible also says "judge not lest ye be judged" I love those old biblical hippies and their seesaw antics."
nice to see the Bible quoted out of context, but hey...
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-10-06 00:12:06 EDT (#)
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oh yeah I'm from West Coast, Spokane actually. It sucks.
Submitted by bush_for_god (user info) at 2005-10-06 00:11:44 EDT (#)
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If you give facts, you need to back them up with your own opinion.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/61169
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-05 23:57:21 EDT (#)
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Thorns is a nutjob as well.
You will never hear one argue the point of the victims of a person who is on death row. They have no rights, for they are dead. Their life shortened by a worthless sack of shit criminal, of the likes thorns wants to keep alive for ethical reasons.
Ethical? ETHICAL? Moral principals vary from person to person, Thorns. Your "ethical" arguement does not apply to everyone. Ask a muslim what is ethical to do to a thief and they will say to cut off his hand and they believe this.
Many americans believe it > IS < ethical to execute criminals.
I would hope that Captain Thorn believes abortion is unethical if he believes capital punishment is. If he doesn't, he's a hypocrite.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-05 23:39:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 22:24:09 (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-05 21:31:51 (#)
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Good first post, Pimpy.
And to all you fucks that support capital punishment: murder is murder, whether legal or not. Something that I believe most ethics would term "sin."
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Then putting someone in jail is kidnapping.
And a speeding ticket is stealing.
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What? That's the shittiest logic I ever heard. How is a speeding ticket stealing, or imprisonment kidnapping? Both of those enforce ethical and universal "common good" values - they correct behavior (in most cases). The death penalty enforces no ethical values - it serves strictly as a "garbage disposal" method of getting rid of people that others don't like, rather than making an effort to ethically influence the offender's behavior and reassimilate them into society as a valued, contributing citizen of the system.
The problem with the USA national government and the ultraconservative capitalistic socioeconomic views that it thrusts into everyone's face is that it has brainwashed the majority of people into believing we can "spend away" our problems with the criminal element. That is simply not true nor acceptable.
To quote Jack Greenberg, professor of law at Columbia University: " If capital punishment can be a deterrent greater than life imprisonment at all, the American system is at best a feeble one. Studies by Thorsten Sellin showed no demonstrable deterrent effect of capital punishment even during its heyday. Today's death penalty, which is far less frequently used, geographically localized, and biased according to the race of the victim, cannot possibly upset that conclusion. The forty-three persons who were involuntarily executed from 1982 to 1985 were among a death row population of more that 1600 condemned to execution out of about 20,000 who committed non-negligent homicides per year. While forty-three percent of the victims were black, the death penalty is so administered that it overwhelmingly condemns and executes those who have killed whites." **
Truly, no one deserves death. No matter what. Even the simplest of ethical systems dictate that another human's life is not ours to take, no matter what the circumstances.
** Excerpt from http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/angel/procon/greenbergarticle.html
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2005-10-05 23:08:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-10-05 22:53:45 EDT (#)
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My facts say that is costs $1000 a week/ $52 000 a year. That means thay could be held for about 40-60 years.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 22:24:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-05 21:31:51 (#)
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Good first post, Pimpy.
And to all you fucks that support capital punishment: murder is murder, whether legal or not. Something that I believe most ethics would term "sin."
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Then putting someone in jail is kidnapping.
And a speeding ticket is stealing.
In cases where someone is 100% guilty of multiple murders or rapes I believe in the death penalty. I would prefer proof beyond a reasonable doubt before it happens though. Not because of an eye for an eye, not for revenge, but because someone who does that contributes nothing to society and should not be allowed to take anymore from it.
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Submitted by celine (user info) at 2005-10-05 22:08:04 (#)
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An execution is still cheaper in the long run. You're not going to execute someone more than once, although if they stay in prison for 50 years, that's gonna cost you 15 million by those numbers.
I am against it, btw.
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I think your numbers are wrong. I am pretty sure when the cost of all the legal appeals and what not is calculated it is normally cheaper to let someone rot in jail.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 20:18:31 (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:33:34 (#)
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it costs 2-3 million for the death penalty process
it costs $300,000 per year to keep an inmate.
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I have never heard a quote as high as 300k to keep an inmate. Where did you get that from?
I thought it was accepted as fact that it costs more for the death penalty, but I am too lazy to look it up so I may very well be wrong.
I am wondering about the 30 people proven innocent after the fact, do you have a link for that?
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An execution is still cheaper in the long run. You're not going to execute someone more than once, although if they stay in prison for 50 years, that's gonna cost you 15 million by those numbers.
I am against it, btw.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2005-10-05 21:55:44 EDT (#)
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Maybe, but then you get the cunty NY Times bitching that lifers are actually serving life. Which is it, libs? Life in prison or death?
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-05 21:31:51 EDT (#)
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Good first post, Pimpy.
And to all you fucks that support capital punishment: murder is murder, whether legal or not. Something that I believe most ethics would term "sin."
The people "fighting for our country" and shooting Iraqis, and the executors in prison death chambers, have blood on their hands as much as the criminals and people being shot/executed by them if you look at it from an ethical rather than a governmental perspective. Remove the scales from your eyes.
Submitted by DieKreutzen (user info) at 2005-10-05 20:37:04 EDT (#)
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I will kill people for $10 each, but only in groups of 20 or more. Please advise your government.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-10-05 20:31:26 EDT (#)
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The quote was more like, "If everyone practiced an eye for an eye
and a tooth for a tooth, soon the whole world would be blind and
toothless." -Mohandus Ghandi-
It was better when used by the character of Tevye in "Fiddler
on the Roof."
Good post. The death penalty is "legal" murder.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-10-05 20:24:19 EDT (#)
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All defense lawyers should be assigned by the government just like prosecutors. More skilled lawyers for more serious cases. Law is not equal for all in its current state, the rich have privelage just like they used to.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-05 20:18:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:33:34 (#)
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it costs 2-3 million for the death penalty process
it costs $300,000 per year to keep an inmate.
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I have never heard a quote as high as 300k to keep an inmate. Where did you get that from?
I thought it was accepted as fact that it costs more for the death penalty, but I am too lazy to look it up so I may very well be wrong.
I am wondering about the 30 people proven innocent after the fact, do you have a link for that?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-05 19:07:24 EDT (#)
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Lie detectors have a better percentage than juries for determining guilt, yet they can't be used at all in a court of law. Gotta love technological advances!
I don't care about the cost, some people just deserve to die and capital punishment should always be reserved by the state for those who deserve it.
If you kill a white person, you are more likely to get the death penalty...regardless of race of the murderer.
But the arguement is made like this: X% of criminals are black! But there are only Y% of black people in the population, so therefore... The state is racist in keeping more blacks in jail.
White collar crime is done by...wow. Whites! So why is this a non-issue that X% of white collar criminals are white yet Y% of whites are in the population.
Yeah! We should make our jails reflect actual population statistics and let a shitload of criminals back out on the street. This logic is not only stupid, it is dangerous.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2005-10-05 19:00:53 EDT (#)
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Of course the Death Penalty is effective, in that if a murderer is executed, that person wil not kill again. Argue with that logic, if you can.
Of course, on accasion, innocent people are executed. There are flaws in the judicial system. But don't try to make it seem as though those same people wouldn't have been sent to jail for life if there were no Death Penalty. They would have. Same mistake, slightly different consequence.
If a convicted killer facing the Death Penalty uses all the available appeals, it usually takes over 8 years to execute them (most States) and they've been before 3 or 4 or 5 Courts. Not that they should be denied appeals, but c'mon. If you've made it to the State Supreme Court and your conviction has been upheld, and the Federal Supreme Court denies your case, you are done.
"Better to allow the guilty to go free than to convice the innocent." True in theory, but when one of those guilty-but-free is raping your girlfriend after clocking you with a baseball bat, your last thought probably won't be on how wonderful it is that an innocent person is home with their family.
Oh, yeah. "Ghandi"
Submitted by cbear1856 (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:39:36 EDT (#)
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it costs 2-3 million for the death penalty process
it costs $300,000 per year to keep an inmate.
i would believe that the average inmate lives longer than 8-10 years.
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I wonder at the $300k, but even if you applied that to someone on death row for the average 7-10 years (except in Neckxas) that would be 3mill just to house them, not counting any of the added costs of being on death row...
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:31:04 (#)
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2. It costs approximately 3 TIMES as much to execute someone in this country than it does to put them in prison the rest of their lives
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Where did you get that information from? Can you provide any numbers to back that up?
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A lot of that info came from a paper I wrote about 8 years ago in college. I could pull the sources if I could find it. The numbers have to do with death row facilities, inmates getting the own cell, death row guards make more $$, the $$ for court appointed attorneys, etc
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:33:34 EDT (#)
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2. It costs approximately 3 TIMES as much to execute someone in this country than it does to put them in prison the rest of their lives. Want to shorten the appeals process...see #1
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it costs 2-3 million for the death penalty process
it costs $300,000 per year to keep an inmate.
i would believe that the average inmate lives longer than 8-10 years.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:31:53 EDT (#)
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At the end of the day it comes down to two real methods of implementing the death penalty:
1) You kill people quickly and in quantity, thus eliminating the cost issue and generally making the process much more efficent. However you've then given the powers that be a lot of power which can be abused by unsrupulous or incompetent people (e.g. as happened in the Soviet union). Frankly only commie scum would be for this option.
2) You have a weird, semi-symbolic, death-penalty where people sit on death row foor a ridiculous period of time and waste money and time for no good reason. Whilst the burocracy is neccesary to keep those pinko bastards at bay, it does make you wonder what the point of it all is.
I don't think it's a very important debate though, far more important is to look at the causes of crime and address them.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:31:04 EDT (#)
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2. It costs approximately 3 TIMES as much to execute someone in this country than it does to put them in prison the rest of their lives
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Where did you get that information from? Can you provide any numbers to back that up?
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:27:55 EDT (#)
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Texecution.
Submitted by userpete86 (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:27:51 EDT (#)
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Interesting, and most provocative.
See, I plan to kill someone, so I'm against the death penalty. If I wanted to die after my crime I would definitly have a high powered explosive on my personhood.
All references to the middle east aside, the fact that some people on death row are innocent makes it hard for me to vote for that sort of punishment.
The biggest factor at the state lever has just got to be expense though. If it's more expensive to actually execute someone, then there should be prison instead.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:24:47 EDT (#)
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Oh, and ghandi.
Every capital punishment post has this phrase in it somewhere.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:23:45 EDT (#)
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If the problem you have with capital punishment are the innocents that end up convicted, you should be looking to fix the judicial system, not simply ban capital punishment.
+2 welcome to uber.
Submitted by Whiplash (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:22:10 EDT (#)
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Forgot to rate.
Submitted by Whiplash (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:21:35 EDT (#)
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Good points, but I still support capitol punishment. Not only that, but I feel like it should be reformed, things such as: No more waiting list and death row. You're convicted? You get a week to say bye to everyone, then you're set on fire. No questions asked. I don't know, who am I to voice my opinion though.
Submitted by Dante_Alighieri (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:20:33 EDT (#)
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Some of that makes sense. Except the Jeffrey Dahmer issue; He seriously needed to be killed. Who cares if he was a minister? He was still a psychotic, sadistic fuck. I'm for the death penalty, and am from the west coast. Seattle, Washington, to be exact.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2005-10-05 18:16:34 EDT (#)
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Man, I'm all for abortions and the death penalty. LETS KILL SOME PEOPLE! I don't give a shit about what God wants. All I care about what I want! And in this particular instance, I want there to be no more overpopulation! GO CLEAN WATER WOO!