The big anti-smoking hypocrisy. (1112 hits)
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Submitted by Micky Plum <MickyMcPlum.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2005-10-11 23:42:52 EDT
Even as a non-smoker, I'm sick of all the bullshit anti-smoking campaigns that are going on at the moment. Those people that bitch and moan because somebody lit up a cigarette three blocks away, and they're worried that the toxic fumes may damage their tender, pink lungs and lead to them contracting [insert generic cancerous ailment]. This is profoundly ridiculous for several reasons.
Firstly, these anti-smoking hypocrites probably own cars. Cars emit unspeakably large amounts of toxic gas and fumes. These toxic gas and fumes, contribute to both the destruction of the environment, and the fundemental well-being of themselves, and millions of others around them (and they oppose YOU for smoking).
Secondly, these morons claim that beacause of your smoking, their lives are somehow endangered and will be cut short because of it. They forget that the air they breathe everyday (which they would naturally assume to be "cleaner air," is actually full of shit. So when you're not stood up in front of them, blowing your second hand smoke in their ugly little faces, the fumes from the other vehicles which they, and their dumbass, anti-smoking hypocrite friends own, are doing the job instead. Sleep well.
There are also people, who are so jaw-droppingly ignorant, that their claims have to be seen to be believed: http://www.ubersite.com/m/75926
-"Then, there's this retarded 'smokers rights' shit. What? Someone endangering the lives of everyone around them now has RIGHTS to do so? Since when? Since you said so? Christ... That's as bad as how people say alcoholism is a 'disease'. Alcoholism isn't a disease if you DON'T DRINK."
Apparently, "Alcoholism isn't a disease if you DON'T DRINK."
The anti-smoking brigade, ladies and gentlemen.
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Submitted by trent_nz (user info) at 2005-10-12 21:30:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-12 13:10:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:16:10 (#)
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Ozzy: Everyone has 100% have control over where you work. You're mindless if you think otherwise.
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I think it comes down to more of an OSHA type standard. What would you say about a company that had sub-standard central air system in a large building and everyone got legionaires? Or asbestos cleaning crews not being provided with masks? Not exactly the same but very similiar. If someone offers you a job in the US you are guarenteed a reasonable level of safety, and I am sorry but really smokey bars do not fit that description.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:58:19 EDT (#)
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Er...on economics I'm aligned with republicans way more often. I am a free-trade advocate. But I'm against corporate subsidies and corporate bailouts, making me against both republicans and democrats...More reason to be sick of them argueing who should waste the taxpayer's money.
Submitted by Foonbo (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:57:41 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/76919
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:42:08 EDT (#)
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I've had enough with both republicans and democrats, honestly. In spirit I agree more with democrats... just I don't believe in passing laws to push those views on others, even if it is some "safety regulation". I put personal responsibility at the top where democrats don't, and then I seem to always get aligned with republicans then.
Lets see... I drive a chevy metro (45 MPG Hwy), I dislike smoking, I am pro-choice, I am not religious in the least bit and can't stand laws based on "morality"... Hmmm. I sound like a democrat and even look like one (hippie with long hair). Hell, I'm even against the mindless war on drugs that waste billions of dollars with little to show for it. I was even againt the war in Iraq but I'm not stupid enough to believe we can cut and run now that we screwed things up.
Submitted by HighFructoseCornSyrup (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:37:38 EDT (#)
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I don't know what to think about this. Stabkill, please give me the answers!
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:34:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2005-10-12 01:42:06 (#)
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I'll smoke whenever the fuck I want.
I'll smoke wherever the fuck I want.
I'll get cancer however the fuck I want.
I'll fuck my health up anyway I fucking want.
I'll turn my teeth as yellow as I fucking want.
I'll light up just to fucking smite you...
And then I'll blow it in your fucking faces.
Try stopping me assholes.
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Yes. I stand by this. I'm smoking my full flavored menthol as I type this.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:28:42 EDT (#)
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I have NO issue with the government banning smoking in public places... PUBLIC meaning real public areas: Government owned buildings, sidewalks, parks, etc.
I DO have an issue with the government banning smoking on private property (private businesses). If that business bans smoking: GREAT. I can't stand it myself. But for the government to step in and demand it is just wrong.
The arguement that the poor souls that work there are exposed to these things terribly and they have no choice is weak. Everyone has a choice where they work. I can't stand people who think otherwise: "I have kids to take care of so I have to work at a strip club!" Ok... Yeah, no choice. Ridiculous.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:24:40 EDT (#)
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I read an editorial that postulated that it is hypocritical to excessively fuss about smoking in public and smoker's rights.
He said that people will tisk-tisk at a smoker who lights a ciggie up at a resteraunt but won't say a word when a 350 pound person orders a triple cheeseburger, large fries, and an extra large milkshake.
The writer said that healthcare costs of the rampant obesity in this country will impact the nation's collective wallet more than the smokers.
meh. Just what I read.
Personally, I believe that there are several thousand things around me on a daily basis that have the potential to kill me. I'm not going to nitpick about which one is worse.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:16:10 EDT (#)
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Ozzy: Everyone has 100% have control over where you work. You're mindless if you think otherwise.
Although, think of the possibilities... making members of PETA work on seal hunts, make people who are deathly allergic to peanuts work on a peanut farm, make people who hate kids work at daycares, etc.
It is people like you that this nation is turning into a bunch of pathetic, crying, helpless little pussies.
Yeah, I have my dream job: I WORK FOR MYSELF. It is my decision 100%. And this is why I am better off than at least 50% of the rest of America who check "ALL Democrat" on their ballot.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-10-12 12:10:52 EDT (#)
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ozzy is right about the legislation. I don't like it though.
Perhaps a smoking license for pubs maybe?
Submitted by ozzy (user info) at 2005-10-12 11:57:13 EDT (#)
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"Everyone has the freedom to work wherever they want."
This is absolute bullshit, Stabkill. I ask you, do you have the job of your dreams? Are you doing exactly what you want to for a living?
If you are, congratulations. However, I would guess that 98% of people in the workforce are NOT in the job of their dreams though, and fell into their line of work, and those in the bar/waiting/hospitality industries would be included in this.
Take a couple of examples- fire man are in a line of work whereby they may breathe in hazardous smoke- they are provided with masks & oxygen to combat this.
Tradesman my be subjected to fierce summer sun, but can nuetralise the dangers of skin cancer by wearing long clothing, sunscreens & hats.
You can't get away from cigarette smoke if you work in enclosed areas like bars & restaurants. You have no choice regarding your exposure to cigarette smoke if you work in these industries.
And the clincher, which will piss off both sides of the argument. What happens when some money hungry desperado sues their employer after getting lung cancer from working in smokey bars for years on end?
That's right. The owner of the bar has to pay increased insurance premiums to protect against similar lawsuits, resulting in your beer/wine/spirits costing more.
ie EVERYONE LOSES.
You say it won't happen? Like hell it won't.
Alternatively, let's say for arguments sake you ARE free to work wherever you want. Who then will want to serve behind a bar, knowing the dangers of doing so? As a result, who will serve you your beer when you go to the pub?
Just because a job is undesireable to most, doesn't mean it doesn't still need to be done.
Submitted by Foonbo (user info) at 2005-10-12 11:44:47 EDT (#)
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I am a smoker, and very much against the anti-smoking lobby for various reasons, but this post sucks.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-12 11:24:02 EDT (#)
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Ozzy: They want bars, pubs, restaurants to be smoke free so that those unfortunate enough to have to work in that environment don't die of lung cancer. They have no alternative, that is how they make a living.
THEY DO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO WORK IN THESE ESTABLISHMENTS.
Why the fuck are people so god damn stupid that they are always of a pansy victim mentality instead of someone who makes choices (good or bad) for themself?
Second hand smoke is overblown and the effects of Radon gas are probably NOT addressed enough. There ARE other ways one can get lung cancer. People always want to associate lung cancer automatically with smoking and it is not always true.
I can't stand smokers, like I've said... But there comes a time when one has to address the real issues...And nobody is making people work in these places that allow smoking. Everyone has the freedom to work wherever they want, and it is the excuse makers that need to be tar and feathered and strung up by their balls. (But we all know, liberals don't have any.)
Shit, fucking jackass pieces of shit liberals.... THIS is why I can't stand you. I'm going to go get a job at a cigar smoking club and then file a lawsuit to have smoking banned, and thus effectively shutting down the place where I work where I can then cry that I am unemployed.
Fuck you liberal dumb-asses.
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2005-10-12 11:15:41 EDT (#)
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Mmmm, tender.
Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 11:08:55 EDT (#)
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I have to agree with you there. Never assume anything on this site. I take your points.
Submitted by congo (user info) at 2005-10-12 11:05:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 09:46:20 (#)
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Submitted by congo (user info) at 2005-10-12 09:36:56 (#)
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The logical fallacy brigade, ladies and gentleman.
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What a witty retort. Please don't cut and run. Explain to us what these "logical fallacies" actually are.
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Huh. I just assumed they were incredibly glaring and self-explanatory. Guess I learned never to assume anything!
Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 10:51:47 EDT (#)
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Yes. You raise many valid, and well thought out points. I take back the whole "idiot" thing I labelled you with.
I was just maing the point that many of these extreme lobbyists, go on about the anti-smoking legislation like it's the WORST thing in the world. Just as forensicgirl3 pointed out, there are many a worse thing to be concerned about. Passive smoking may be harmful, but lets not forget about the other, perhaps more life threatening dangers to our health and environment. There's far more than a modicum of grey matter inside your head. I apologise for the implication that there isn't.
Submitted by ozzy (user info) at 2005-10-12 10:35:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 09:56:54 (#)
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-"I swear to god I've seen glass coffee tables make a more intelligent argument than this shit."
Ironic. I've seen glass coffee tables write more coherent and intelligible responses. By claiming this is "One of the worst posts" that you have "ever seen," you're doing nothing to add to the debate, other that coming across as an idiot. Come on, I know there's a modicum of grey matter in there somewhere. Use it
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The anti smoking lobby has very little to do with how people get themselves from point A to point B. You focused on a minute point; in your head the fact that both burning fossil fuels and smoking are bad for our health means the anti-smoking lobby is hypocritical?
Allow me enlighten you. The major issues the anti smoking lobby raise are valid points.
They want bars, pubs, restaurants to be smoke free so that those unfortunate enough to have to work in that environment don't die of lung cancer. They have no alternative, that is how they make a living.
They are annoyed that so much tax payers money is WASTED on treating the various health problems which occur as a result of smoking.
The bottom line is this. There is a viable alternative to being allowed to smoke/ smoke in public places. What is the alternative? Ban smoking in public places or ban smoking altogether. People don't need to smoke to survive/earn a living.
They do, however, need to travel from point A to point B, and in the absence of any viable alternative to fossil fuels, what do you suggest they do?
With the exception of walking & cycling, all forms of transport (including all forms of public transport) currently require that some form of fossil fuel be burnt/nuclear power to produce the energy required to travel any substantial distance.
Bear in mind I'm not attacking you, I think your POST was poorly thought out.
Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 09:56:54 EDT (#)
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-"I swear to god I've seen glass coffee tables make a more intelligent argument than this shit."
Ironic. I've seen glass coffee tables write more coherent and intelligible responses. By claiming this is "One of the worst posts" that you have "ever seen," you're doing nothing to add to the debate, other that coming across as an idiot. Come on, I know there's a modicum of grey matter in there somewhere. Use it.
Submitted by ozzy (user info) at 2005-10-12 09:46:50 EDT (#)
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One of the worst posts I've ever seen.
I swear to god I've seen glass coffee tables make a more intelligent argument than this shit.
Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 09:46:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by congo (user info) at 2005-10-12 09:36:56 (#)
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The logical fallacy brigade, ladies and gentleman.
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What a witty retort. Please don't cut and run. Explain to us what these "logical fallacies" actually are.
Submitted by congo (user info) at 2005-10-12 09:36:56 EDT (#)
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The logical fallacy brigade, ladies and gentleman.
Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 08:36:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-12 02:56:15 (#)
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smoking is harmful; to one's self and others
so is obesity, alcoholism, artificial sweeteners, preservatives, polymer substances, latex, burning a teflon coated pan, trans fats, talking on cell phones whilst driving, sedentary lifestyles, sitting too close to the computer screen, asteroids crashing into the Earth, ad infinitum/ad neauseam.
So you see honey-child, EVERYTHING will kill ya. Just a question of when.
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I think this just about sums the whole thing up.
And CHR15, this quote:
"beacause of your smoking, their lives are somehow endangered and will be cut short because of it"
refers to the absolute stupidity of these quotes: http://www.ubersite.com/m/75926
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2005-10-12 04:16:44 EDT (#)
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I've come to think of most smokers as second class citizens...kind of like the obese.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-12 04:15:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:39:37 (#)
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A person working 8 hours in a day in a crowded, smoky bar is going to suffer from working in that smoky environment, not from a 15 minute walk home breathing normal air which I think you are trying to claim is just as unhealthy because of carbon monoxide emissions?
There needs to be a middleground on this issue.
At any rate, your post was simply stupid.
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Nobody is holding a gun to their head to work there.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-12 04:14:45 EDT (#)
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I can't stand smokers & cigarettes... But there is no question that there are alot of lies and such perpetuated throughout the media. Especially on second hand smoke.
"I know someone who didn't even smoke and they got lung cancer!"
Umm... Yeah, ever heard of radon gas?
Fucking idiots...
Plus, it should be up to a business owner to ban smoking from his establishment. If I don't want to be exposed to smoke, I don't have to go there. If they feel they are a "family" establishment, they could ban it at their own restaurants much like many fast-food joints did before smoking bans became laws in certain states.
Funny how liberals cry about "rights" being taken away but they are the big enforcers of smoking bans...and hell, all other bans outside of porn & abortions.
Submitted by Playboy (user info) at 2005-10-12 03:06:31 EDT (#)
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You can have my Marlboro when you prise it from my cold, dead, hand.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-12 02:56:15 EDT (#)
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smoking is harmful; to one's self and others
so is obesity, alcoholism, artificial sweeteners, preservatives, polymer substances, latex, burning a teflon coated pan, trans fats, talking on cell phones whilst driving, sedentary lifestyles, sitting too close to the computer screen, asteroids crashing into the Earth, ad infinitum/ad neauseam.
So you see honey-child, EVERYTHING will kill ya. Just a question of when.
Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2005-10-12 02:29:49 EDT (#)
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"beacause of your smoking, their lives are somehow endangered and will be cut short because of it"
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Submitted by Beer_bong (user info) at 2005-10-12 02:17:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2005-10-12 01:42:06 (#)
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I'll smoke whenever the fuck I want.
I'll smoke wherever the fuck I want.
I'll get cancer however the fuck I want.
I'll fuck my health up anyway I fucking want.
I'll turn my teeth as yellow as I fucking want.
I'll light up just to fucking smite you...
And then I'll blow it in your fucking faces.
Try stopping me assholes.
This is my new motto.
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2005-10-12 01:48:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:39:37 (#)
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A person working 8 hours in a day in a crowded, smoky bar is going to suffer from working in that smoky environment, not from a 15 minute walk home breathing normal air which I think you are trying to claim is just as unhealthy because of carbon monoxide emissions?
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The Chicagoland area is one of the most polluted areas in the US. And as a result, there are higher instances of lung cancer for BOTH smokers and non-smokers. He has a valid fucking point.
And maybe this fictional dolt who's suffering from the "smoky" enviornment should move over to the non-smoking section of the bar or get a new job.
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2005-10-12 01:42:06 EDT (#)
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I'll smoke whenever the fuck I want.
I'll smoke wherever the fuck I want.
I'll get cancer however the fuck I want.
I'll fuck my health up anyway I fucking want.
I'll turn my teeth as yellow as I fucking want.
I'll light up just to fucking smite you...
And then I'll blow it in your fucking faces.
Try stopping me assholes.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:39:37 EDT (#)
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A person working 8 hours in a day in a crowded, smoky bar is going to suffer from working in that smoky environment, not from a 15 minute walk home breathing normal air which I think you are trying to claim is just as unhealthy because of carbon monoxide emissions?
There needs to be a middleground on this issue.
At any rate, your post was simply stupid.
Submitted by thecaes (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:29:32 EDT (#)
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Hmmm. Okay, I get that. But at the same time, I understand why the current ad campaign exists. They're going for the hammer-to-the-head approach to make as big a statement as possible so people pay attention.
If you want to see something funny/horrible, try to find some old, old smoking ads from the 50's or 60's, before anyone "knew" that smoking was bad for you.
Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:24:25 EDT (#)
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Of course smoking is bad for you. That goes without saying. I was just trying to point out some the blatant ignorance and hypocrisy that many extreme anti-smoking campaigners, try to ram down peoples throats.
Submitted by thecaes (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:17:49 EDT (#)
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OY. -2 for missing the point. Jeebus, man. You could be drilling for oil in a national park in Alaska while simultaneously crapping out highly radioactive uranium isotopes and STILL be justified in saying "smoking is bad for you."
Submitted by Feargal (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:09:22 EDT (#)
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Yes, they certainly are. Because they're not contradicting themselves by owning a machine that does infinitely more damage to everything, than a single cigarette could ever do.
Submitted by Fungah (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:08:53 EDT (#)
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I fucked your Icelandic grandmother
Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:04:42 EDT (#)
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What about people who don't drive cars? Are they allowed to argue that smoking is bad?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:03:37 EDT (#)
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Oh yeah well if I had my own private island, murder would be legal there. How does that grab ya?
Submitted by thecaes (user info) at 2005-10-12 00:03:18 EDT (#)
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Well. Smoking is colossally stupid. Sorry smokers.
Yes, cars emit toxic fumes. But they actually do something helpful in that they get you places faster...and cars seem to be (arguably) a necessary evil nowadays. I wouldn't be able to get to work without some sort of mechanized vehicle. And whether or not inhaling second hand smoke for half an hour is going to give me cancer, I still don't like being around it. Cigarette smoke burns my eyes and smells like burning.
I always find it amazing and surprising how touchy smokers get when one calls their habit out (i know you're not a smoker, micky...I just mean in general). Though I admit that smokers are starting to get treated like a minority on some levels.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-10-11 23:58:40 EDT (#)
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"I'm not too sure about all these anti-killing-people laws, doesn't seem too civilized to me"