Liberal Censorship (1187 hits)
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Submitted by Indoninja (View user info) at 2005-10-13 07:57:17 EDT
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2815182p-9261309c.html
The full story is below, but in a nutshell a leading Gay Republican had a pie thrown at him, and then had the fire alarm pulled during his speech during coming out week.
His speech was inside a building, the only people listening to it were people who wanted to hear him speak. Why is it okay for liberals to disrupt, or attack speakers with different beliefs.
This is fucked up on so many levels, and I am sure the gay left is applauding it.
These people wanted to hear him speak. They were inside a building, and not bothering anyone. If someone who didn't like gays did this to a public protest where they were bothering people they would be crucified by the media. If someone did this in a private speech by gays they would be crucified as well. Why is it okay for liberals to stifle other points of view?
This isn't the first time this tactic has been used. Ann coulter, fine you all hate her, but if she is speaking to a group in private, what gives someone the right to interrupt her, to interrupt the people who want to listen to her? Liberals do it and they are applauded for being free thinkers. If I did the same to someone who didn't agree with me I would be labeled a Nazi.
I am not using this to attack all liberals, I am just at a loss for other ways to describe people with a left agenda, who are self described liberals. Not all are like that, but for a group that likes to pride itself on being open minded I see a lot of single mindedness and attacks on sharing any other point of view.
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GOP gay leader dodges a pie
By JESSICA ROCHA, Staff Writer
CHAPEL HILL -- The head of a national gay Republicans group got "pied" Monday night while giving a speech at UNC-Chapel Hill for National Coming Out Day.
Patrick Guerriero, president of the Log Cabin Republicans, was speaking on the future of sexual politics when a person ran down toward the lectern and hurled a chocolate-laced cream pie at him.
A few minutes later someone pulled a fire alarm, and the building was evacuated. Guerriero finished his speech on the front steps of Carroll Hall.
"I've had a lot of political rhetoric thrown at me, but that was the first pie," he said.
The UNC-CH Department of Public Safety is investigating the incident but had made no arrests as of Tuesday afternoon.
Between 100 and 200 people came to Carroll 111, an auditorium-style classroom, to hear Guerriero speak at 7 p.m. Monday.
About five minutes into the speech, part of a week-long observance of National Coming Out Day, a person wearing dark clothes and a baseball cap launched the pie, witnesses said.
Guerriero, a former college soccer player, dodged the pie, but his suit coat got splattered.
"I faked to the left and moved to the right, which is probably something I do in politics sometimes," he said Tuesday.
Guerriero took off his coat and continued with his speech, but was soon interrupted by the fire alarm, according to witnesses. Most people stayed on to hear the rest of the speech outside on the hall's steps.
Both gay liberals and conservative opponents of homosexuality often find Guerriero controversial.
But in this case, Bernard Holloway, one of the organizers of Monday's speech, said some people think the assailant came from the left.
"I think there was a lot more unease amongst queer-identified people on campus just seeing Patrick come than amongst conservative-minded people on campus," Holloway said.
Guerriero said he was impressed that the students who attended the talk stayed on despite the interruptions.
As part of the week's National Coming Out Day events, openly gay Chapel Hill Town Council member Mark Kleinschmidt is scheduled to speak on campus Thursday. He doesn't anticipate any pie attacks since he's not a Republican.
"But if they do, I guess that's fine," he said. "I guess that's what dry cleaners are for."
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-13 23:24:17 EDT (#)
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I can't believe this has a negative rating.
If this post had been about a gay-rights activist from the liberal camp being attacked by a conservative and how the conservatives are censoring liberals it would be 1.69 on 125 reviews.
Liberals do this sort of thing way more often than conservatives. Why? Liberals are generally from the younger, Ghandi-style civil-disobedient, student population. They're more inclined to throw pie and fruit, and disturb speeches with fire alarms than the older, more conservative bloc.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-10-13 22:59:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:00:05 (#)
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Yeah, I'm sure that order came from the top.
Too bad all the right wing scum is too busy getting drunk, shooting guns, and racing down the highways.
Submitted by HighFructoseCornSyrup (user info) at 2005-10-13 21:42:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by punkerrjess (user info) at 2005-10-13 17:03:16 EDT (#)
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"I've had a lot of political rhetoric thrown at me, but that was the first pie," he said.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-10-13 16:46:46 EDT (#)
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The one thing I've always found humorous about this sort of thing is that how gays tend to demand respect and tolerance for their views, yet are extremely DISrespectful and INtolerant towards anyone who questions the Official Homosexual Party line (like the Log Cabin folks).
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 16:22:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-13 15:36:29 (#)
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And english it seems...
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=trivial
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Come on Caul, I thought you had a little more respect for me then that, it was a joke.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-13 15:36:29 EDT (#)
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And english it seems...
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=trivial
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 15:33:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:40:08 (#)
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I would but Im busy watching various clips of Kilroy silk having his freedom of speech violated.
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Hahaha
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-13 15:08:05 (#)
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can you say TRIVIAL!?
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Sorry caul, but you know I don't speak french.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-13 15:08:05 EDT (#)
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can you say TRIVIAL!?
Submitted by NRA (user info) at 2005-10-13 15:03:53 EDT (#)
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I have two problems with that situation. the first is those goddamn liberals breaking the law and then not reporting it. The second is that my paty is now allowing faggots to creep in fro mthe fringes and be heard. It looks like it's time to line the faggots up and cut them loose.
The last thing we need is to let them turn us into a bunch of pussies.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:43:43 EDT (#)
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I wasn't talking about you, that would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black since if you get right down to it, we're all a bunch of random hacks looking for attention or we wouldn't post.
Here's your -2 back so you won't cry.
or throw a pie at someone
don't the anti-fur kids throw shit on people?
by "shit", I mean stuff like paint or Kool-Aid or something, I don't think they've actually resorted to actual bona fide shit.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:40:08 EDT (#)
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I would but Im busy watching various clips of Kilroy silk having his freedom of speech violated.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:35:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:27:44 (#)
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I think, you may find that she was refering to the guy who wrote the original article.
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Really? I am pretty sure it was directed at me, wanna argue about it?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:35:12 EDT (#)
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Liberals throw the pies (which is assault, by the way) about 99% of the time. The "bleeding hearts" will most certainly resort to violence. If it wasn't for the weed keeping them pacified half the time, you'd see more pies thrown.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:31:57 EDT (#)
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Another constructive comment....
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:28:54 EDT (#)
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I hope you drown.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:27:44 EDT (#)
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I think, you may find that she was refering to the guy who wrote the original article.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:23:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:02:10 (#)
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and this has what to do with liberals?
or censorship?
It looks more like some random hack looking for attention. As for the guy who threw the pie, who knows.
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Fuck you loki, I am not random.
This post sucked, and I got off track.
I was trying to point out the hypocripsy of special interest groups that scream to the media whenever there is anytype of limit or attack on their protests/speeches, but when there is someone they don't agree with it is ok.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:09:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:02:10 (#)
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and this has what to do with liberals?
or censorship?
It looks more like some random hack looking for attention. As for the guy who threw the pie, who knows.
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I should have said this, damn consistency....concentratednedness.
consiceness.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:04:07 EDT (#)
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I fail to understand much of american politics.
You can't trust British politicains as far as you can throw prescott, but at least they make sense.
the american system seems to be made up entirely of complete morons doing/saying things for no apparent reason.
I cannot imagine how throwing a pie at someone whoever the throwee/er was could be contrued as prohibiting freedom of speech.
Look at J prescott getting egged, or kilroy-silk having a bucket of shit poured over him, no-one ever said it was harming freedom of speech, they just laughed/cheered.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-13 14:02:10 EDT (#)
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and this has what to do with liberals?
or censorship?
It looks more like some random hack looking for attention. As for the guy who threw the pie, who knows.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 13:56:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ChronicMasturbator (user info) at 2005-10-13 13:33:15 (#)
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Everday I come to Ubersite, I came across more and more fucking idiots.
Indoninja based his assumption of this statement in the article:
"But in this case, Bernard Holloway, one of the organizers of Monday's speech, said some people think the assailant came from the left."
Not only does Indoninja make a stupid and outblown claim, he bases it on inconclusive evidence in the article.
Indoninja also makes his claim contradictory. Titling his article as "Liberal Censorship" and then acting as a apologist to the Liberals at the end of the article, it fails the analyze the situation. IN would have been better to title his article as "A few crazy Liberals might be at work here", instead he titles his article in an extreme manner.
At the end IN does mention that a few liberals tend to do this. It would have been better for him to cite other examples of such a situation.
On top of my head, I can mention some other major political fiascos, such as watergate.
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If it turns out it wasn't a gay guy who thought a gay republican who threw the pie i will shave my head. Do you really think it was anyone else.
I put in that bit at the end because I know there are a lot of reasonable people out there who think trying to stop someone from giving a speech that people wanted to hear is wrong.
My major point which you seem to ignore is that groups like act up, and the lesbian gay and transgendered association have not complained about this attack. If this had been a republican throwing a pie at a speaker who echoed their beliefs they would be screaming to the media about right wingers taking their freedom of speech.
I find it amusing that the leaders of liberal groups like this will flip out an protest at the slightest imagined insult or slight on their ideas, but when thier ideas are challenged it is okay to throw pies.
I did give the example of this happening to Ann Coulter.
I never said it was a major political disaster, but you bet if it happened to a gay activist, or Al Sharpton then the news would be treating it as such.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-10-13 13:47:40 EDT (#)
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wow. i wonder how that guy feels in a room of non-gay republicans.
Submitted by ChronicMasturbator (user info) at 2005-10-13 13:33:15 EDT (#)
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Everday I come to Ubersite, I came across more and more fucking idiots.
Indoninja based his assumption of this statement in the article:
"But in this case, Bernard Holloway, one of the organizers of Monday's speech, said some people think the assailant came from the left."
Not only does Indoninja make a stupid and outblown claim, he bases it on inconclusive evidence in the article.
Indoninja also makes his claim contradictory. Titling his article as "Liberal Censorship" and then acting as a apologist to the Liberals at the end of the article, it fails the analyze the situation. IN would have been better to title his article as "A few crazy Liberals might be at work here", instead he titles his article in an extreme manner.
At the end IN does mention that a few liberals tend to do this. It would have been better for him to cite other examples of such a situation.
On top of my head, I can mention some other major political fiascos, such as watergate.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 12:27:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 12:16:26 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 12:00:44 (#)
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Follow? Maybe censorship was the wrong word. Maybe "only supporting free speech if you agree with them."
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Sounds like, oh I don't know..... EVERYONE. Now move along to the "Free Speech Zone" 12 miles from the actual assembly so you can get your message across, too.
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This was not a public protest. It was indoors, and only people who wanted to listen had to hear.
I think you should be allowed to throw pies at anyone in public using a bullhorn, or a microphone.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 12:16:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 12:00:44 (#)
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Follow? Maybe censorship was the wrong word. Maybe "only supporting free speech if you agree with them."
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Sounds like, oh I don't know..... EVERYONE. Now move along to the "Free Speech Zone" 12 miles from the actual assembly so you can get your message across, too.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 12:00:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:44:47 (#)
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Well, I don't think anyonme should have been up in arms over some guy having a pie thrown at him, has anyone been up in arms? cos by your logica its censorship from everyone who hasnt been ranting about this thing.
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No that isn't my logic at all.
If a redneck had done this to someone the media would be all over it.
But since the speaker in this case doesn't conform to what most gay right groups think gay people should say they did not care about his speech being fucked up.
Follow? Maybe censorship was the wrong word. Maybe "only supporting free speech if you agree with them."
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:54:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:28:15 (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:59:31 (#)
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Can you please shut the fuck up and take a course on reading comprehension? The organizer was only speculating that it possibly may have been someone from the left wing. How stupid would you feel if they caught the guy and he was some sort of gay hating Republican? At least lay down some facts before you go making apologetic tirades.
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You are an idiot.
If it was an anti gay attack, why would they go after the most conservative gay there?
The fact that nobody is up in arms about this is more proof that it was someone who hated his politics, not his cocksucking.
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Chances are, the Christian Zealots feel the guy is a traitor to the party thanks to his sexual orientation. Those people don't care that he's a Republican, only that sucks dick. A liberal would never bother this guy. And I'm sick of hearing about the Liberal Media. If you really believe that, you ARE a conservative. The concept of a Liberal Media agenda is just some far right propaganda bullshit.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:54:08 EDT (#)
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I agree with you on this one
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:53:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:57:19 (#)
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Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:53:12 (#)
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True leftism in American politics would scare most American people back to the stone age.
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As in communism? Yeah not much of that here, but as far as whackball lawsuits, smoking rules, and "politically correct" terms, I think our left is just as crazy as anywhere (our right too).
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Communism maybe, but even basic socialism... even some things we Brits would consider to be fundamentally good - national health provision - for example, and subsidised Higher Education, etc etc, seems to scare Americans royally.
And I don't think political correctness or wacky lawsuits are necessarily a feature of the left. Wacky lawsuits always seem to Europeans as indicative of American consumer culture - fundamentally capitalist - than anything else. Political correctness is slightly different, but I think it's more a symptom of the times than anything else.
Smoking rules - you may be right. But I'm not a smoker, so I half agree with some of the rules they're trying to enforce, really.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:44:47 EDT (#)
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Well, I don't think anyonme should have been up in arms over some guy having a pie thrown at him, has anyone been up in arms? cos by your logica its censorship from everyone who hasnt been ranting about this thing.
Submitted by Foonbo (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:36:27 EDT (#)
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"Log" Cabin Republicans. Haha.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:34:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:04:19 (#)
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You conservatives are idiots and/or liars when it comes to media bias. There is in fact no liberal bias in the media, and in fact if you look at many media sources (a prime example is Fox News) there is actually a conservative bias. Blow it out your ass.
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I will give you fox news is conservative. but to say there is no media bias is outrageous.
Why is a man dragged to death world news, but five people murdered, two people raped, and all of them forced to have sex to each other not?
Because the man dragged to death was black and the people who did it were white.
When is the last time you even saw a report of a black on white crime? Probably never. Don't tell me there is no media bias.
Some stories are more popular to cover, and some the are afraid to touch if it reflects negatively on minorities.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:28:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:59:31 (#)
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Can you please shut the fuck up and take a course on reading comprehension? The organizer was only speculating that it possibly may have been someone from the left wing. How stupid would you feel if they caught the guy and he was some sort of gay hating Republican? At least lay down some facts before you go making apologetic tirades.
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You are an idiot.
If it was an anti gay attack, why would they go after the most conservative gay there?
The fact that nobody is up in arms about this is more proof that it was someone who hated his politics, not his cocksucking.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:12:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:17:56 (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:06:39 (#)
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We should all endeavour to be more like the dutch. They're so nice.
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Except when they kill people who make anti muslim movies.
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Personally I suspect the Belgians where guilty. They're always so quiet, keeping themselves to themselves and you never see them with a girlfriend. Just ain't natural.
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2005-10-13 11:04:19 EDT (#)
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You conservatives are idiots and/or liars when it comes to media bias. There is in fact no liberal bias in the media, and in fact if you look at many media sources (a prime example is Fox News) there is actually a conservative bias. Blow it out your ass.
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:59:31 EDT (#)
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Can you please shut the fuck up and take a course on reading comprehension? The organizer was only speculating that it possibly may have been someone from the left wing. How stupid would you feel if they caught the guy and he was some sort of gay hating Republican? At least lay down some facts before you go making apologetic tirades.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:54:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:27:23 (#)
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Right wing politics = freedom of the individual, for example over gun control = liberalism.
Leftwing politics = actions taken for the greater good, for example higher taxes = not liberalism.
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The left and right wing politics in the US are split on this one depending on the issue, so calling someone a left wing liberal elsewhere might not make sense. Here it would refer to groups like the NAACP, or any other group that is "for" specific groups rights.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:48:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:32:09 (#)
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both parties in the US can be described as being liberal, the difference being (apart from individual fuckups like roosevelt/bush) that the republicans think that it is unfair to take money of rich people and the democrats think it is unfair to conspire against poor people.
This may be an oversimplification, but you get the idea. Calling one party or the other Liberals is ridiculous as the entire US constitution is founded on liberal ideals, and saying that some idiot throwing a pie at a politician is liberal censorship is bollocks.
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That is the worst oversimplification of the republican and democratic parties I have ever seen in terms of being accurate. But that argument is another post.
The commie liberal term comes about because the left is usually associated with liberals, and the far left is communism.
Liberal is normally associated with people being allowed to do whatever the hell they want in their personal lives (which in most cases I agree with).
Maybe the pie was not so much censorship, but it was a physical act to disrupt people from hearing ideas. The liberal left should be against this. If it had been a redneck throwing the pie at a gay speaker, they would be up in arms, but since he did not follow their ideology 100% they did not care. My whole point to this post is that the people who claim to be more open minded have no problem with people stifiling other peoples views, but if someone attempts to do it to them they are Nazi, rascist, homophobes whatever.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:35:25 EDT (#)
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I'd say Hadley that Communism is the exact opposite or Liberalism, which is why it is particularly annoying when I get called a liberal commie bastard.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:32:09 EDT (#)
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both parties in the US can be described as being liberal, the difference being (apart from individual fuckups like roosevelt/bush) that the republicans think that it is unfair to take money of rich people and the democrats think it is unfair to conspire against poor people.
This may be an oversimplification, but you get the idea. Calling one party or the other Liberals is ridiculous as the entire US constitution is founded on liberal ideals, and saying that some idiot throwing a pie at a politician is liberal censorship is bollocks.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:28:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:19:17 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:10:55 (#)
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In fact while Im here it would be a good tiime to point out, that it is genrally right wing politics that ties with liberalism.
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Care to elaborate?
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American liberalism is the exact opposite of true liberalism. Once again, we can't do shit the same way as everyone else.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:27:23 EDT (#)
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Right wing politics = freedom of the individual, for example over gun control = liberalism.
Leftwing politics = actions taken for the greater good, for example higher taxes = not liberalism.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:19:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:10:55 (#)
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In fact while Im here it would be a good tiime to point out, that it is genrally right wing politics that ties with liberalism.
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Care to elaborate?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:17:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:06:39 (#)
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We should all endeavour to be more like the dutch. They're so nice.
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Except when they kill people who make anti muslim movies.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:10:55 EDT (#)
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In fact while Im here it would be a good tiime to point out, that it is genrally right wing politics that ties with liberalism.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:08:02 EDT (#)
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As far as Im concerned (I would describe myself as slightly to the left of centre and very liberal)
America has no left, it simply has a right wing and a not quite so far right right wing.
Both of which are strongly liberal.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:07:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:03:54 (#)
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Please. Clowns get pies thrown at them all the time - whether they're gay, straight, bi, asexual or into doing blindfolded ducks while wearing a dress. You don't see them bitching.
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It's about time someone said it.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:06:39 EDT (#)
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We should all endeavour to be more like the dutch. They're so nice.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:04:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:32:33 (#)
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somebody find me ONE instance where a minority was charged with a hate crime against a WASP male.
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So complain to the prosecutors. They are the ones who decide when to use hate crime statutes.
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2005-10-13 10:03:54 EDT (#)
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Please. Clowns get pies thrown at them all the time - whether they're gay, straight, bi, asexual or into doing blindfolded ducks while wearing a dress. You don't see them bitching.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:57:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:53:12 (#)
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True leftism in American politics would scare most American people back to the stone age.
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As in communism? Yeah not much of that here, but as far as whackball lawsuits, smoking rules, and "politically correct" terms, I think our left is just as crazy as anywhere (our right too).
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:53:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:46:24 (#)
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Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:37:44 (#)
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I have one gripe though. Not all liberals have a 'left' agenda. Indeed, in American politics, the 'left' is more approaching a theoretical centre than the left in anyway. American politics - for the most part - are firmly right of centre. And that more than likely includes the liberals who disturbed the meetings you reference.
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I don't know groups like the ACLU, and the Lambda (college gay group) seem to have leadership way out to the left. I am sure the average liberal isn't onboard with what they are saying, but they make the most noise. Kind of like ORielly, and coulter, but people can throw pies at them. Do that to the leader of a gay group, and you ar a NAZI.
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They are - for the most part, and especially so compared to the rest of American politics.
I just think it's a little unfair to describe all Liberals as leftists, when most of us (I'm definitely a liberal by American standards, even though I vote Conservative in the UK), are just liberals. Left of Centre is a more applicable term.
True leftism in American politics would scare most American people back to the stone age.
I still absolutely agree with you though...
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:52:27 EDT (#)
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Oh fuck off, some guy got a pie thrown at him and thats liberal censorship?
Fuck off.
Fuck off.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:46:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:37:44 (#)
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I have one gripe though. Not all liberals have a 'left' agenda. Indeed, in American politics, the 'left' is more approaching a theoretical centre than the left in anyway. American politics - for the most part - are firmly right of centre. And that more than likely includes the liberals who disturbed the meetings you reference.
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I don't know groups like the ACLU, and the Lambda (college gay group) seem to have leadership way out to the left. I am sure the average liberal isn't onboard with what they are saying, but they make the most noise. Kind of like ORielly, and coulter, but people can throw pies at them. Do that to the leader of a gay group, and you ar a NAZI.
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:45:33 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:44:30 EDT (#)
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Sorry, but why is a gay man a Republican? This -2 isn't for you, it's for him.
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Celine - since when did your sexual orientation define your politics? It's no different to arguing that your age, gender or ethnicity define your political standpoint.
It doesn't, and it's ridiculous to suggest that it does.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:43:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:34:56 (#)
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"Where do you work Pen_name?"
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i don't. i lost my job to a black guy
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African american. Just because you lost your job doesn't give you the right to make written hate crimes!!
+2 for you
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:41:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:31:27 (#)
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George Bush can suck my dick.
does that make me a gay republican?
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You're only gay if your balls touch.
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:37:44 EDT (#)
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I agree with you - free speech is a fundamental human right.
Everyone should have the right to speak their mind and share their beliefs with those who want to hear them or share them. I have a little bit of a problem with protecting an individuals right to free speech in public places, as that subjects those who may find those views offensive to something they do not choose to hear. But in private - say what you like. Indeed, do what you like, until you impinge on others.
I have one gripe though. Not all liberals have a 'left' agenda. Indeed, in American politics, the 'left' is more approaching a theoretical centre than the left in anyway. American politics - for the most part - are firmly right of centre. And that more than likely includes the liberals who disturbed the meetings you reference.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:34:56 EDT (#)
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"Where do you work Pen_name?"
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i don't. i lost my job to a black guy
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:32:33 EDT (#)
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somebody find me ONE instance where a minority was charged with a hate crime against a WASP male.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:31:27 EDT (#)
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George Bush can suck my dick.
does that make me a gay republican?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:30:34 EDT (#)
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I apologize, Indo. You see, I have a job, so I couldn't type out every theoretical hate crime I could think of. Thanks for invalidating my point.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:29:33 EDT (#)
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for this line
"I faked to the left and moved to the right, which is probably something I do in politics sometimes," he said Tuesday.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:26:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:08:46 (#)
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those aren't rights. call it favoritism in the law, but they aren't rights.
I don't know why ROTC scholarships are easier for minorities to attain. I assume part of it is the higher percentage of enlisted minorities in the army; presumably, the chain of command would like some black officers for morale.
as for highering practices, how many times have you ever said: damn, i would have only had that job if i was black. i'd say none. the people who shout: reverse discrimination!" are usually guys way underqualified for their positions.
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I never said damn I would have had that job if I was black because I got every job I ever applied for (and before you say I only worked at McDonalds 3 years after I graduated I pulled down 120k). I have lost scholarships and internships to people who are clearly less qualified then me because they were minorities. Where do you work Pen_name? Reverse discrimination is a fact of life in every job I have ever had. And when someone is favored under the law it is in effect a right.
Let me be clear on this. This wasn't the topic of my post, and isn't a big concern of mine just the first thing that popped to mind to counter your argument earlier.
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:05:45 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:52:59 (#)
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Hate crime laws make it more of a crime for a white person to kill a black man then vice versa. Have you ever heard of these laws being used against a minority?
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This last one probably won't bother you as much, but I'll say it anyway. If a straight man kills a gay man and jams his cornhole over a 4x4 post, leaving his legs dangling, under a sign that says "God hates fags" he should also be charged with a hate crime. And any prosecutor who doesn't do so should be, you guessed it, shitcanned. But it isn't the fault of the laws that our elected defenders of justice are pussies.
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So if a gay man did that to a straight man and didn't leave the sign he should get a lesser punishment? I think it is stupid to give tougher sentences because someone leaves a racial slur after they kill someone. Anyone who does that deserves to die, regardless of what the motivation was.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:08:46 EDT (#)
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those aren't rights. call it favoritism in the law, but they aren't rights.
I don't know why ROTC scholarships are easier for minorities to attain. I assume part of it is the higher percentage of enlisted minorities in the army; presumably, the chain of command would like some black officers for morale.
as for highering practices, how many times have you ever said: damn, i would have only had that job if i was black. i'd say none. the people who shout: reverse discrimination!" are usually guys way underqualified for their positions.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:05:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:52:59 (#)
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Hate crime laws make it more of a crime for a white person to kill a black man then vice versa. Have you ever heard of these laws being used against a minority?
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Complain to your prosecutor then. I'll give you a hint....most prosecutors are conservatives. There is nothing in the law that says minorities CAN'T be charged with a hate crime.
Now to address your inaccuracies. It is not a hate crime for a white man to kill a black man. It is a hate crime for a white man to hang a black man from a tree while burning a cross in his front yard and scratching the word nigger into his car door.
Now, let's say that a black man crucified a Jew while spray-painting "You killed Jesus" on his driveway. If that man is not charged with a hate crime then you should shitcan the prosecutor at the next election.
If a black man kills a white man, then lights his body on fire and broadcasts it on the internet on http://www.AllCrackersMustDie.com and isn't charged with a hate crime, that is not the fault of the laws. It is a weak-ass prosecutor who should be shitcanned.
This last one probably won't bother you as much, but I'll say it anyway. If a straight man kills a gay man and jams his cornhole over a 4x4 post, leaving his legs dangling, under a sign that says "God hates fags" he should also be charged with a hate crime. And any prosecutor who doesn't do so should be, you guessed it, shitcanned. But it isn't the fault of the laws that our elected defenders of justice are pussies.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 09:02:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:53:25 (#)
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Indo, it is a parallel of how most conservatives who will flock here and agree that America's Top Liberal should be condemning this try to overlook the fact that worse is happening within their own circles and they call it politically-motivated posturing.
Own up to it. You guys are pissed that we finally caught up to you in not condemning our own.
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What gives you the impression I like Bush? He is full of shit, and I don't like him. He got the Better than Kerry vote from me. But he is getting flack for this in the news.
My point here, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that liberals, the group that claims to be more open minded have no problem stifiling debate on things they don't agree with. They have no opposition to a pie attack, and pulling a fire alarm on someone who doesn't agree with them. The media doesn't think it is a big deal. Ok up to this point it is fine by me, arrest the guy for pulling the fire alarm, as it is dangerous but end of story. The problem is if someone conservative tried the same thing on a left wing speaker this would be big news. If someone from a college STRAIGHT club threw a pie at a gay speaker shit would hit the fan, the ACLU would be after him, and it would be a media circus.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:59:31 EDT (#)
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who in their right mind would give a shit about that?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:53:25 EDT (#)
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Indo, it is a parallel of how most conservatives who will flock here and agree that America's Top Liberal should be condemning this try to overlook the fact that worse is happening within their own circles and they call it politically-motivated posturing.
Own up to it. You guys are pissed that we finally caught up to you in not condemning our own.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:52:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:46:00 (#)
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"The protecting the rights of minorities argument goes right out the window when you give minorities more rights than anyone else."
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say what? what can minorities do that i can't. can they run naked in the streets? can they kick kids in the balls and light firecrackers up their asses--the 28th amendment: the right for black folk to ignite incendiary devises in other peoples assholes.
get a grip.
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That was an extreme off the top of my head example, but I do stand behind it.
Are you from the US? You familiar with ROTC scholarships? Reserve Officer Training Corps is a program where the US military pays for your college you put on a uniform once a week, and when you graduate you owe them 4 years. These scholarships are pretty competitive, unless you are a minority. Then all you need is a 3.0 GPA and 1000 on your SATs and you get it. That is the tip of the iceberg, and it isn't just in the govt. Hiring practices in any big company, scholarships, college admissions ALL favor minorities.
Hate crime laws make it more of a crime for a white person to kill a black man then vice versa. Have you ever heard of these laws being used against a minority?
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:46:00 EDT (#)
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"The protecting the rights of minorities argument goes right out the window when you give minorities more rights than anyone else."
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say what? what can minorities do that i can't. can they run naked in the streets? can they kick kids in the balls and light firecrackers up their asses--the 28th amendment: the right for black folk to ignite incendiary devises in other peoples assholes.
get a grip.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:44:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:39:04 (#)
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Bush is not condemning Karl Rove for leaking that Wilson's wife was a CIA agent (only without using her name). Once it came out that his buddy did it, Bush backed off his pledge to fire anyone who leaked the info to him saying he'll fire anyone convicted.
He is condoning it, and that is a bigger problem, hypocrite.
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He pledged to fire anyone who was doing anything illegal. If Rove is convicted then he broke his pledge.
I do think if Bush wants to keep any respect he should shitcan rove. But that has very little to do with the subject of this post.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:39:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:25:42 (#)
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Condemning it? I'm sure they don't give a shit. I'm sure the only people who give a shit about it are the guy who got a pie in the face and the guys who did it. Why do Americans have to blow EVERYTHING out of proportion?
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Shit like this doesn't really bother me, but if a gay guy got a pie in the face while having a gay pride rally and the person who did it was a redneck it would be all over the news. There is a clear disparity between how the media views a liberal trying to disrupt a more conservative preson giving a speech, and vice versa.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:24:16 (#)
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The fiscal conservatism argument goes right out the fucking window when you spend hundreds of billions of dollars to invade a country with no cause.
I used to be a Republican, then I realized I'm not rich.
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The protecting the rights of minorities argument goes right out the window when you give minorities more rights than anyone else.
I used to be a Democrat until I realized I amnot a minority.
The parties are about more than one issue. Encapsuling the party because of one issue makes no sense. Both sides do stupid things I think we can both agree on that.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:39:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:16:32 (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:00:05 (#)
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Yeah, I'm sure that order came from the top.
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But the top is not condemning it. That is the problem.
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Bush is not condemning Karl Rove for leaking that Wilson's wife was a CIA agent (only without using her name). Once it came out that his buddy did it, Bush backed off his pledge to fire anyone who leaked the info to him saying he'll fire anyone convicted.
He is condoning it, and that is a bigger problem, hypocrite.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:37:22 EDT (#)
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screw you, you commie
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:34:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:24:16 (#)
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The fiscal conservatism argument goes right out the fucking window when you spend hundreds of billions of dollars to invade a country with no cause.
I used to be a Republican, then I realized I'm not rich.
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Conservative Socialism is the key.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:33:01 EDT (#)
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Guerriero, a former college soccer player, dodged the jizz, but his suit coat got splattered.
"I faked to the left and moved to the right, which is probably something I do when I suck cock sometimes," he said Tuesday.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:25:42 EDT (#)
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Condemning it? I'm sure they don't give a shit. I'm sure the only people who give a shit about it are the guy who got a pie in the face and the guys who did it. Why do Americans have to blow EVERYTHING out of proportion?
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:25:41 EDT (#)
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Liberals are fucking cunts.
Fortunately for them, so are Republicans.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:24:16 EDT (#)
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The fiscal conservatism argument goes right out the fucking window when you spend hundreds of billions of dollars to invade a country with no cause.
I used to be a Republican, then I realized I'm not rich.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:21:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by celine (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:16:38 (#)
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Sorry, but why is a gay man a Republican? This -2 isn't for you, it's for him.
Well, it's for you for trying to use him.
Talk about counter-productive. Sheesh. Turns out gays can be morons too.
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You know they also have black and jewish republicans.
Maybe he likes the fiscal policy, maybe he wants welfare reformed, maybe he thinks hate crime laws make one group more important in the eyes of the law than another which in turn makes more barriers for them being normal parts of society.
How am I trying to use him?
Submitted by celine (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:16:38 EDT (#)
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Sorry, but why is a gay man a Republican? This -2 isn't for you, it's for him.
Well, it's for you for trying to use him.
Talk about counter-productive. Sheesh. Turns out gays can be morons too.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:16:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:00:05 (#)
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Yeah, I'm sure that order came from the top.
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But the top is not condemning it. That is the problem.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 07:59:40 (#)
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Nice. Except for the fact tha there's no proof it was a liberal and not a gay basher.
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Dude what gay basher hangs out at a speech given during coming out day, and makes a target of a republican? And if it was a gay basher the rainbow triangle leadership would be raising hell.
This wasn't an attack on gays, it was an attack on a gay who wasn't a liberal, so they had no problem with it.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:15:14 EDT (#)
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It happens all the time.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:10:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:00:05 (#)
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Yeah, I'm sure that order came from the top.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:09:29 EDT (#)
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oh yeah, you should feel outraged, because this happens ALL the time.
hey, did you hear about the time the black guy gut hung becuase he wanted to vote? what a digusting display of conservative censorship.
Submitted by freebie (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:03:50 EDT (#)
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Good point. Saw this morning in the raleigh-durham area the 2 libs arrested for vandalizing republican headquarters during the presidential race were tried, convicted and guess what? No jail time.
Submitted by leilani (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:00:56 EDT (#)
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awwww, it's not that bad. pie is YUMMY!!!!
and how do they KNOW it was a liberal who threw it? I heard they prefer key lime pies anyway.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2005-10-13 08:00:05 EDT (#)
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Yeah, I'm sure that order came from the top.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-13 07:59:40 EDT (#)
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Nice. Except for the fact tha there's no proof it was a liberal and not a gay basher. Leave the inflammatory posts to Jack. You're a rookie.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-13 07:58:49 EDT (#)
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Anyone live in Baltimore going to the Marathon this weekend?
I should have my number tomorrow, I will post it, or make a post about it.