Double Standards- A Woman's Specialty (1350 hits)
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Submitted by Starving Ethiopian (View user info) at 2005-10-19 12:56:28 EDT
We all have our personal pet-peeves. Whether be it dried ketchup on the bottle, having your coffee a certain way, etc, human nature is so vast with so many variations of personalities that it presents a limitless combinations of pet-peeves. I have several pet-peeves myself, most notably double-standards. In regards to double-standards, no one practices this concept more than your modern woman.
Thats right, I'm placing the responsibility on women, something today's society for some odd reason finds it taboo to do (Well, if the reason was negative). These observations regarding double-standards isn't some revelation that's been revealed to me, rather, it's been lurking in society's conciousness for some time. Kind of like the elephant in the living room; Everyone sees it but nobody is willing to point it out.
Capabilities
This is rather old news, but you should remember that earlier this year the president of Harvard University, Lawrence Summers, spoke at an economic summit. Part of his speech included comments that a reason why there was such a disparate difference between genders in the upper echelons of many fields such as math and engineering is that men are inherently more capable in these areas than women, that it was an issue of "intrinsic aptitude." The aftermath of these comments were predictable; Women everywhere went ape-shit, calling the comments "sexist," "unfounded," etc. This, of course, led women to reason (I'm using the term very loosely here) that the cause of why so few women were heading science and math departments in universities was because of "institutional sexism." Apparently, basing comments on well-founded statistical evidence and studies are sexist.
Here's the kicker: We have these very same women claiming that women "inherently" have better skills such as listening, are more compassionate, and possess "people skills" that men apparently do not have. "Listening?" Are you shitting me? All the women I have ever met are good at talking, and only when they're talking about themselves. I'm sure when the woman who tried to steal an unborn fetus by slicing open the mother's abdomen, it was considered extremely compassionate of her to do such a thing (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9623379/). Sure, I'll give women the fact that they have "people skills," if by "people skills" you mean gossiping, backstabbing, and general bitchiness. Here's a quote from former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan:
"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it."
Where was the controversy after this comment? Oh, wait, there weren't any.
Work
Women love to say that they can work just as well as men. In fact, some claim they are more efficient than men when it comes to work, blessed by some sort of mystic life-force that came from their ovaries. With the word "equality" being chanted by women in the workplace, I find it amusing that the women of Toyota came up with this humble request (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200502/s1300583.htm). Do you see the double-standard in this one or do I have to slowly explain it to you? For those that need explanation (Read: Women that are in self-denial), how can women claim to be equal with their male counterparts at work when they are asking for concessions based on something that is exclusive to females?
Dating
Ah yes, the oldest bastion of double-standardry, the dating scene. Here are some observations I've made regarding this.
Qualifications
Let's start with qualifications. My question is, why is it when a man has certain physical preferences for a woman he is considered "shallow" and when a woman has certain physical preferences for a man, she is considered "picky?"
Man: I like brunettes
Woman YOU ARE SO SHALLOW OMG!!!1!!
Woman: He has to be at least 5'10, around 180 lbs, with sandy blond hair.
Woman #2: You go girl for knowing what you want!
Obviously, when a man has preferences, it violates the Geneva Convention, while a woman (no matter how fat or ugly she is) thinks she is entitled to have Johnny Depp bend her over the kitchen sink.
Who Pays?
Obviously, the man does. Always. If a man does not pay on a date, the very fabric of the universe will rip and rain death and destruction upon the entire planet. It's rather interesting to note that the modern woman prides herself in being "strong" and "independant," but then shirks when the dinner bill is on the table. Even women that make just as much money as their dates act the same way. Their reasoning?
It's the polite thing to do:
Politeness obviously does not work both ways. Of course, because if a woman had to pay for a guy, the guy will be considered Hitler's evil twin.
Because I'm a woman and I deserve it:
Oh? So in every arena of life (School, work, etc) you consider yourself to be equal to a man, except when it comes to dates? Fuck you, you deserve a punch in the throat.
It's tradition:
Tradition also dictates that you make me a fucking sandwich and wash my dishes. Oh wait, women only likes tradition when it benefits them. How could I have forgotten such a basic truth of life?
The different instances of double-standards mentioned above is just a sample of the bullshit women throw at society. But what about all the double-standards men have?!?! you might shriek. What are those double-standards might you be referring to? Guys that sleep around are players and chicks that do are sluts? Have you've been living under a fucking rock? Ever watch "Sex and the City?" Perhaps you were referring to guys with a take-charge attitude are considered leaders and women with the same attitude are considered bitches? Isn't the new thing with women is to "celebrate" their bitchiness? That's what all those "99 Percent Angel, 1 Percent Bitch" license plate frames are for right? Or the simple "Bitch" shirts that Hot Topic sells an abundance of?
Next time you are fiending for a serving of double-standards, just go talk to a woman.
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Submitted by Viciousriffs (user info) at 2005-10-22 03:01:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2005-10-20 12:01:00 EDT (#)
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I find it amusing that the women of Toyota came up with this humble request
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I always have to shut down women who try to pass off menstruation as an excuse for anything. It's like saying that ADD is an excuse to not pay attention, or that Tourette's is an excuse to shout obscenities.
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Submitted by erinly (user info) at 2005-10-20 00:42:27 EDT (#)
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+2 for loki:
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-19 16:41:02 (#)
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Getting your knickers in a twist over whether or not you are better than some girl in math is a complete waste of energy. It was true in kindergarten and its true now, sometimes life is just not fair.
Tall people are treated better than short people.
Thin people are treated better than fat people.
Tan people are treated better than pale skinned people oh but you can't be too tan you understand because then you are treated worse then even pale skinned people.
If you don't speak English then it is assumed that you are stupid.
People who look young for their age are not taken as seriously as people who look older.
People who have those fucked up names that black people give their children have a harder time finding a good job.
So what is this really about? Did you get passed over for a promotion or shot down in a bar and have decided to take it out on women in general?
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-4 for you. Oh, and I'm better at math than you.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2005-10-20 00:23:13 EDT (#)
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My wife and I were married before we graduated college. We earned the same BS (that's bachelor and bachelorette of science, said so on the graduation party cake her mom made for us) degree in the same graduating class. We decided we'd go where the best job either one of us could get would take us. Since my grades were slightly higher, and I also had the advantage of 7 years of work experience (as I am 7 years older than she), I got the best gig. I was making about $35K. Shortly after we moved, she got a job working in a shirt factory for like $6/hr. No jobs in upstate NY, you know. In less than 6 months she was making more money than I and had been promoted 5 times. In the following 14 years, three moves, and 5 occupation changes each, she has NEVER had a job where she made less than 25% over my check.
And in that time she has NEVER failed to complain about how the men in whatever company she's working at are keeping her down, preventing her from being promoted, yada, yada, yada. I hear the words, but they're not applicable to this reality.
But then again, perhaps she's just more equal than I am.
Submitted by Astropath (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:56:38 EDT (#)
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Incredibly astute. I agree with every fiber of my being. Plus, I'll agree with every fiber of that dead homeless guy's being. What also infuriates me is the popular media portrayal of today's male as being a clumsy, incompetent oaf, who is nonetheless lovable in spite of his flaws. Also, the fact that we all are apparently beer-drinking, football-watching morons. Yes, double standards abound, unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it. Male-dominated society ? I hardly think so...in very subtle, and even insidious ways, this has most definitely become a woman's world. Well- written piece, and bonus marks for mentioning throat-punching. Made me laugh.
Submitted by Snuffleupagus (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:46:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2005-10-19 22:44:27 (#)
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I'm impressed by some of the patient and intelligent conversation going on below me, especially on such a post. My pet peeves are:
-when people make sweeping generalizations about large groups
-when people who claim to have sense refrain from stating there are exceptions to those generalizations even when they supposedly characterize over half of people on earth
-when people write about a subject as old as man as if they are the first to make their inherent "observations", and still get it wrong
-people who use fictional television as examples to back up their arguments
-disregard for proper punctuation
-capitalizing words in the middle of sentences for no reason
-unnecessarily hyphenated words
-people who claim expertise on an entire gender, when it's apparent they've never actually had any relationships with them
Good luck with all that.
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My pet peeves are when...
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:45:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:24:52 (#)
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Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:12:09 (#)
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Two words, and one name: Well written, and Camille Paglia.
Ironically, this name will upset more women in academia than men.
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I rather like Camille
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I always sensed you were an exception(al) badass.
Submitted by nahnoneofit (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:35:51 EDT (#)
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what kinda dumbass wouldnt point out an elephant in a living room
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:24:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:12:09 (#)
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Two words, and one name: Well written, and Camille Paglia.
Ironically, this name will upset more women in academia than men.
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I rather like Camille
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2005-10-19 23:12:09 EDT (#)
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Two words, and one name: Well written, and Camille Paglia.
Ironically, this name will upset more women in academia than men.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2005-10-19 22:44:27 EDT (#)
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I'm impressed by some of the patient and intelligent conversation going on below me, especially on such a post. My pet peeves are:
-when people make sweeping generalizations about large groups
-when people who claim to have sense refrain from stating there are exceptions to those generalizations even when they supposedly characterize over half of people on earth
-when people write about a subject as old as man as if they are the first to make their inherent "observations", and still get it wrong
-people who use fictional television as examples to back up their arguments
-disregard for proper punctuation
-capitalizing words in the middle of sentences for no reason
-unnecessarily hyphenated words
-people who claim expertise on an entire gender, when it's apparent they've never actually had any relationships with them
Good luck with all that.
Submitted by IntangibleHands (user info) at 2005-10-19 21:28:12 EDT (#)
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You just described every aspect of my relationship for the last 2 years. Now tell me my birth date and my eye color.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-19 18:25:57 EDT (#)
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Damn right.
Women demand the same rights, fair enough.
At the same time though, they denounce the same responsibilities.
Are you Australian? What's up with the abc link? No foreigner reads ABC news, do they? Even Australians don't read ABC news.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-10-19 18:18:22 EDT (#)
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These observations regarding double-standards isn't some revelation that's been revealed to me,"""
shut up you pillock
Submitted by WellFedEthiopian (user info) at 2005-10-19 17:59:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-19 16:56:44 (#)
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*ahem* testing...testing....ok
I HATE MEN
I HATE WOMEN
I HATE HUMANS
This worn out and tired topic just reinforces to me that we humans just need to be eradicated. We, as a species, are fucked. Totally fucked.
We cannot grasp that an apple may not be an orange, but that doesn't mean the apple is inferior.
I have a copy of a study in my backpack that does not find significant differences in males and females in relation to mental/intellectual capabilities. It was a meta analysis of over 40 studies.
I was going to do a 2 part post; the 1st post was going to talk about the infamous Harvard speech and give it its fair due and respect. The 2nd post was going to talk about this study I just read and give it its fair due and respect.
If I want to see pink monkeys hanging from spaghetti noodles attached to lavender trees, I can probably find it.
You can bend stats to fit your needs (and viewpoints).
THIS is why everytime you see a "proof" of this or that, step back and examine it with a critical eye.
Intelligence is a multifaceted construct. My IQ has been tested multiple times and has always come out 125 +/- 2 points. You might be better at one thing than another, but that really doesn't affect your overall "brains."
So fucking what?! There are thousands of people more intelligent than I, and thousands who are not.
I DO NOT want one iota of preferential treatment just because I have ovaries. Test me and challenge me as an inidividual. If I'm up to snuff, great! If I'm not, tell me to fuck off.
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You make excellent points. I'll be very interested if you were to do your two part posts. Oh, and by the way, women like you that go dutch on dates are very rare in my city. They should look to you as an example.
Submitted by WellFedEthiopian (user info) at 2005-10-19 17:56:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-19 16:41:02 (#)
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So what is this really about? Did you get passed over for a promotion or shot down in a bar and have decided to take it out on women in general?
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It'll be "C, none of the above." Shockingly, it was a conversation with a good female friend of mine that led me to think about this.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-19 17:17:17 EDT (#)
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Oh, and the issue of who pays on a date.
GO DUTCH!
Be responsible for yourself.
Geezus, I would feel creepy letting a man pay for my dinner.
and fuck it if I'm going to pay for his!
EVERYONE PAY YOUR OWN WAY!
Submitted by Boon (user info) at 2005-10-19 17:01:04 EDT (#)
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Way to generalize.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2005-10-19 16:56:44 EDT (#)
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*ahem* testing...testing....ok
I HATE MEN
I HATE WOMEN
I HATE HUMANS
This worn out and tired topic just reinforces to me that we humans just need to be eradicated. We, as a species, are fucked. Totally fucked.
We cannot grasp that an apple may not be an orange, but that doesn't mean the apple is inferior.
I have a copy of a study in my backpack that does not find significant differences in males and females in relation to mental/intellectual capabilities. It was a meta analysis of over 40 studies.
I was going to do a 2 part post; the 1st post was going to talk about the infamous Harvard speech and give it its fair due and respect. The 2nd post was going to talk about this study I just read and give it its fair due and respect.
If I want to see pink monkeys hanging from spaghetti noodles attached to lavender trees, I can probably find it.
You can bend stats to fit your needs (and viewpoints).
THIS is why everytime you see a "proof" of this or that, step back and examine it with a critical eye.
Intelligence is a multifaceted construct. My IQ has been tested multiple times and has always come out 125 +/- 2 points. You might be better at one thing than another, but that really doesn't affect your overall "brains."
So fucking what?! There are thousands of people more intelligent than I, and thousands who are not.
I DO NOT want one iota of preferential treatment just because I have ovaries. Test me and challenge me as an inidividual. If I'm up to snuff, great! If I'm not, tell me to fuck off.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-19 16:41:02 EDT (#)
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Getting your knickers in a twist over whether or not you are better than some girl in math is a complete waste of energy. It was true in kindergarten and its true now, sometimes life is just not fair.
Tall people are treated better than short people.
Thin people are treated better than fat people.
Tan people are treated better than pale skinned people oh but you can't be too tan you understand because then you are treated worse then even pale skinned people.
If you don't speak English then it is assumed that you are stupid.
People who look young for their age are not taken as seriously as people who look older.
People who have those fucked up names that black people give their children have a harder time finding a good job.
So what is this really about? Did you get passed over for a promotion or shot down in a bar and have decided to take it out on women in general?
Submitted by trent_nz (user info) at 2005-10-19 16:29:47 EDT (#)
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haha priceless
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2005-10-19 16:04:07 EDT (#)
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Cookie et al., the case for biologically-driven sex differences in mathematical problem-solving is far from proven, one way or the other. Larry Summers' comments that caused such a furor simply called attention to some of the research suggesting an important role for testosterone and other hormones.
The part that's offensive and should be denounced is the way (some) women [and some men] leapt into attack mode because research they happened to find personally threatening was announced. This to me has a direct parallel with the lunatic right's desire to find fault with evolution, only the political polarity is changed. Everyone questions science when it disagrees with their ideology...
There was a very nice debate on the nature/nurture topic in gender-based disparities in math skills, one of the participants was Steven Pinker of MIT and I'm sure you can find it on the web summarized in PowerPoint slides using Google. There was also a very interesting article on the topic in Scientific American about 3 years ago called "Sex Differences in the Brain" that presented a lot of the important evidence.
Of course, we're mixing two different things here. Are there sex differences in the brain? Of course there are. Is that what's keeping women out of top academic math and comp. sci. jobs? Other factors play an important role. Either/or is a piss poor way to view a compicated world.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2005-10-19 15:36:27 EDT (#)
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Obviously, when a man has preferences, it violates the Geneva Convention, while a woman (no matter how fat or ugly she is) thinks she is entitled to have Johnny Depp bend her over the kitchen sink.
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+2 for making me gag on my chewing gum with that line.
This should be on Most Heated by the end of the day.
Submitted by goose (user info) at 2005-10-19 15:35:47 EDT (#)
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You know, some of these stories are pretty good. I never knew mice
lived such interesting lives.
-- Homer Simpson
Itchy & Scratchy & Marge
Submitted by Ejryuu (user info) at 2005-10-19 15:25:30 EDT (#)
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If a woman wrote this post, it would have an average rating of at least 2.6. Don't ask me how they do it.
But that's okay!
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-10-19 15:12:09 EDT (#)
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I fail to see how I'm fueling the point by asking for proof that men are genetically predisposed to being better at maths, and by calling the women's lib movement stupid. And to say that I'm full of it because you saw in school that girls didn't need extra tutoring? WTF are you on about? I mentioned that I experienced first-hand being neglected in my maths courses and therefore sucking at it. I didn't say anything about extra tutoring, I said equal attention from the teacher. I also said that it was my experience that boys were neglected in my english and social studies classes... If you want to play the "fighting for the sake of fighting" game, I regret to inform you that I only play that game with Caul, and the only reason I play it with him is because his bad english makes me laugh enough that I can ignore him whenever he makes pertinent points.
Submitted by Papajoe (user info) at 2005-10-19 15:01:51 EDT (#)
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Such a quality rant. I miss reading these types of things on Uber.
Submitted by Balrog (user info) at 2005-10-19 15:00:37 EDT (#)
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I don't see how you can possibly argue with this. It's true, im not sexist im not everything, but women can be full of shit. They expect certain standards to be given to them even though they don't deserve them then bitch about it if a male says anything. Cookie is PROVING THE POST CORRECT, and also cookie...ive noticed when i was in school that girls don't require extra tutoring and that you arebasically full of it. And just to fuel the fire....MEN RULE!!!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:46:48 EDT (#)
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I saw a two hour documentary on how the man and woman's brain processed differently. Both have advantages in different fields. A girl who wanted to become a man was followed by a team of scientific and after numerous testosterone injections, not only did she change physically but scans showed her brain reacted differently than it did to various stimuli. So it's not only an education thing, it's hormonal.
Arguing about this, like Cookie is doing, is like convincing myself that I have ovaries. Who cares that we are slightly different?
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:34:02 EDT (#)
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No, indo, they tend want compensation by having the kids treated equally. I would never want a daughter of mine to be made to feel inferiour and stupid because the teacher needs to spend extra time teaching her just because she's a girl. Where's the proof? In every single classroom I was ever in. It's also been documented repeatedly, which I'll link you to as soon as the boss leaves for his golf lesson.... should be about 15 minutes or so. Bam, I'll look at your link once the boss leaves, too, and then chime back in (of course).
But I'll have you know that if that thing cites anything other than genetic differences, I'll be writing it off completely, because it won't be pertinent to the discussion, and I'm easily distracted.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:29:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:02:33 (#)
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Show me an unbiased medical study which proves that men are more adept at mathematics based solely on their hormonal activity, and I'll be glad to take that statement back. Fact of the matter is that the only proof on this subject that I'm aware of is that it's been repeatedly proven that girls are given more attention in english and social studies classes, and boys are given more attention in maths and science. That activity spouts from the "wisdom" that girls are better with words (emotions), and boys are better with numbers (logic).
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Where has it been repeatedly proven that girls get more attention in certain classes?
I never meant to imply you think women should get special treatment in certain fields. But when people believe that girls don't get as much attention in certain classes, they tend to want teachers to compensate by paying more attention to girls, which is special treatment.
Submitted by clit_commander (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:29:12 EDT (#)
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Like, duh. I used to get pissed off about this stuff back in the day. Eventually you figure out that women aren't the real issue and graduate from misogyny to misanthropy.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:22:52 EDT (#)
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Cookie - to start (and I'll get some more for you) http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/991118/spatial.shtml
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:21:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:07:27 (#)
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Cookie and Indo - you may be off so far as the mathmatics and science goes but when it comes to spatial thinking men genetically are superior on the average.
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Prove it, Bam. I'm not talking about random internet statistics, either. I'm talking about honest to god medical brain studies (preferably more than one... if there's anything that working with scientists has taught me, it's that you often get a different result when you test something a second, third, and fourth time) which prove that males are genetically predisposed to perform better in maths than women, and I'll conceed the point gladly. And I'm talking GENETIC PREDISPOSITION, not just "in general". Because we are the result of our environments no matter what we say, and if a child isn't taught properly from the get-go, then they'll never learn. I do believe that in some things, though, nature is stronger than nurture.
Submitted by WildcatMcGee (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:15:00 EDT (#)
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Let's just change the subject and get back to calling out the negroes. Anyone remember that article that reported on the gene in humans responsible for making us smarter and how like 70% of the worldwide negro population didn't have it? Yeah, that'll be a fun one.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:08:43 EDT (#)
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Blah blah blah.
Remember, anything that's worth saying or doing has already been said and done.
Submitted by WellFedEthiopian (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:07:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:02:33 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:49:29 (#)
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You can't rule out the poossibility then men may be more suited to math and science then women. Men and women have different levels of hormones going through their bodies, is it impossible to believe that they effect how the brain works? I am not using this to say that women shouldn't be allowed to be mathmeticians, but it is hard for me to believe the difference in the number of men and women in that field is due to upbringing alone. Either way I think it is kind of a moot point women shouldn't be given prefferential treatment in a field because their numbers in that field are lacking.
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Show me an unbiased medical study which proves that men are more adept at mathematics based solely on their hormonal activity, and I'll be glad to take that statement back. Fact of the matter is that the only proof on this subject that I'm aware of is that it's been repeatedly proven that girls are given more attention in english and social studies classes, and boys are given more attention in maths and science. That activity spouts from the "wisdom" that girls are better with words (emotions), and boys are better with numbers (logic). Never once did I say, or have I said, or will I say, that a woman should be given something simply because she has ovaries and a uterus. NO ONE should be given prefferential treatment based solely on their race, gender or age. EVERYTHING should be about what you can and cannot do, and how well you do it. If a woman scores just as high as (or higher than) a man on a skills assessment test, then there is zero reason why she shouldn't be given the position. If she scores less than, then why the fuck would I want her in the position? So she can do a shit job and make he rest of the women in the world look bad? Fuck that.
There are things that men are much better at doing than women. There are things that women are much better at doing than men. The other gender's inability to do those things doesn't make them less than, it makes them different.
Oh, and for the record, when I ask a guy out, I pay. When he asks me out, it's his job to pay. If he insists on paying when I've asked him out on the date, I let him. I'm not going to argue over who gets to pick up the bill when I've offered and he's rejected it.
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It's interesting to note that in regards to mathematics, males also have a wider variance of competence than females. (i.e they can be just as low as they can be high)
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:07:27 EDT (#)
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Cookie and Indo - you may be off so far as the mathmatics and science goes but when it comes to spatial thinking men genetically are superior on the average.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:06:57 EDT (#)
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As illustrated today at my place of business. One man and one me staring at 30 PC boxes that need taking up to the second floor.
Man: Is there a lift?
Me: Nope.
Man: Bollocks. Right, come on then.
Me: I'm a girl - I don't have to do that shit.
Man: I believe in equality.
Me: ........I'm pregnant.
Man: No you're not.
Me: I might be. It happened to Mary....
Submitted by mles76 (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:03:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mtgn37 (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:52:20 (#)
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Here is another one. How come I cant fight a girl?
Fat Tony can beat his wife, does that count?
Submitted by WellFedEthiopian (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:03:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:49:17 (#)
Ranking: -2
All generalizations are 100% true. I can't even imagine what a school like UNC would do letting a woman major in math, nay even give said woman a math scholarship because she was hands down better at math than anything else in the department penis or no penis. Where could it possibly lead, you don't suppose that such a woman might go something drastic like get a master's degree in accounting and end up working as an analyst at a major publicly traded utility company.
I'm pretty sure that if such a thing were to happen, the world would stop spinning out of sheer spite.
People should know their place.
and by that I mean you belong at the kid's table
fucktard
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I usually define generalizations along the lines of "All men are pigs," etc. I believe I've listed my reasons of why most women practice double standards. As for your little scenario, yes, I can imagine a woman acheiving what you have described (I'll assume that little scenario was in regards to yourself.). And you know what? Congratulations. I think it's great that women be professionals just as men can. In fact, I work with several brilliant women in my office. But wait! This post isn't about why women shouldn't be in the workplace, it's about double standards! So, rather than work, this is focused on how men get measured by a different yardstick than women at work.
[insert witty comment]
fucktard.
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:02:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:49:29 (#)
Ranking: 2
You can't rule out the poossibility then men may be more suited to math and science then women. Men and women have different levels of hormones going through their bodies, is it impossible to believe that they effect how the brain works? I am not using this to say that women shouldn't be allowed to be mathmeticians, but it is hard for me to believe the difference in the number of men and women in that field is due to upbringing alone. Either way I think it is kind of a moot point women shouldn't be given prefferential treatment in a field because their numbers in that field are lacking.
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Show me an unbiased medical study which proves that men are more adept at mathematics based solely on their hormonal activity, and I'll be glad to take that statement back. Fact of the matter is that the only proof on this subject that I'm aware of is that it's been repeatedly proven that girls are given more attention in english and social studies classes, and boys are given more attention in maths and science. That activity spouts from the "wisdom" that girls are better with words (emotions), and boys are better with numbers (logic). Never once did I say, or have I said, or will I say, that a woman should be given something simply because she has ovaries and a uterus. NO ONE should be given prefferential treatment based solely on their race, gender or age. EVERYTHING should be about what you can and cannot do, and how well you do it. If a woman scores just as high as (or higher than) a man on a skills assessment test, then there is zero reason why she shouldn't be given the position. If she scores less than, then why the fuck would I want her in the position? So she can do a shit job and make he rest of the women in the world look bad? Fuck that.
There are things that men are much better at doing than women. There are things that women are much better at doing than men. The other gender's inability to do those things doesn't make them less than, it makes them different.
Oh, and for the record, when I ask a guy out, I pay. When he asks me out, it's his job to pay. If he insists on paying when I've asked him out on the date, I let him. I'm not going to argue over who gets to pick up the bill when I've offered and he's rejected it.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-19 14:01:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by mtgn37 (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:52:20 (#)
Ranking: 1
Here is another one. How come I cant fight a girl? Because she is physically smaller? Bullshit. They talk enough fucking smack they should be able to back it up. Next time some bitch mouthes off to me I wanna be able to punch her in the jugs and then dimond cutter her in the street. Just like i would do for any shit talking dude, except replace jugs with nads.
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Fucking scumbag
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:56:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mtgn37 (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:52:20 (#)
Ranking: 1
Here is another one. How come I cant fight a girl? Because she is physically smaller? Bullshit. They talk enough fucking smack they should be able to back it up. Next time some bitch mouthes off to me I wanna be able to punch her in the jugs and then dimond cutter her in the street. Just like i would do for any shit talking dude, except replace jugs with nads.
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If you would punch a dude in the nads, you aren't a man.
Submitted by mtgn37 (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:52:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Here is another one. How come I cant fight a girl? Because she is physically smaller? Bullshit. They talk enough fucking smack they should be able to back it up. Next time some bitch mouthes off to me I wanna be able to punch her in the jugs and then dimond cutter her in the street. Just like i would do for any shit talking dude, except replace jugs with nads.
Submitted by WellFedEthiopian (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:49:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:31:53 (#)
Ranking: 2
You're not getting my fucking Bud Light man.
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Dammit now I'm really gonna cry.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:49:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:27:14 (#)
Ranking: 1
The only thing you state in your post that I take serious issue with is the assertion that women aren't as mentally suited to math and science as men. I find it hard to believe that gender alone has anything to do with that. Physical shortcomings? Fuck yes. Some women have no business trying to be construction workers, firefighters, policemen, or anything else that forces that organisation to lower their requirements so that more women can get in. Men and women are equal, but different. And the sooner certain groups realise this, the better off everyone will be.
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You can't rule out the poossibility then men may be more suited to math and science then women. Men and women have different levels of hormones going through their bodies, is it impossible to believe that they effect how the brain works? I am not using this to say that women shouldn't be allowed to be mathmeticians, but it is hard for me to believe the difference in the number of men and women in that field is due to upbringing alone. Either way I think it is kind of a moot point women shouldn't be given prefferential treatment in a field because their numbers in that field are lacking.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:49:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
All generalizations are 100% true. I can't even imagine what a school like UNC would do letting a woman major in math, nay even give said woman a math scholarship because she was hands down better at math than anything else in the department penis or no penis. Where could it possibly lead, you don't suppose that such a woman might go something drastic like get a master's degree in accounting and end up working as an analyst at a major publicly traded utility company.
I'm pretty sure that if such a thing were to happen, the world would stop spinning out of sheer spite.
People should know their place.
and by that I mean you belong at the kid's table
fucktard
Submitted by Ejryuu (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:47:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
2rue
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:41:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Got me a thinkin'.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:31:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
You're not getting my fucking Bud Light man.
Submitted by WellFedEthiopian (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:28:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:23:07 (#)
Ranking: 0
Awe come here man, you've been hurt and need a big hug.
I know its tough, as a man, to express your real feelings. Lucky for you I can see through your facade to the little boy inside that is hurt and needs attention.
Its ok pal I'm here for you.
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*weeps* I LOVE YOU MAN!!!1!!!1oneone!!!
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:27:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
I agree with alot of what you're saying, and I blame the feminist movement for creating these issues. Women's Lib did alot of good things, but it also has created alot of hurdles and diffuculties for women to overcome.
The only thing you state in your post that I take serious issue with is the assertion that women aren't as mentally suited to math and science as men. I find it hard to believe that gender alone has anything to do with that. Physical shortcomings? Fuck yes. Some women have no business trying to be construction workers, firefighters, policemen, or anything else that forces that organisation to lower their requirements so that more women can get in. Men and women are equal, but different. And the sooner certain groups realise this, the better off everyone will be.
Submitted by cocaine (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:26:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Mixed Opinions on this post. On one hand, it was very well written, made sense to me, and was very fluid. On another, it's a very broad topic and you generalize way too much.
When dealing with a topic as broad as 'double-standards' it is easy to argue for and against either men OR women. It's a tricky subject and will continue to be a debate as long as men and women coexist.
If you want to act on your supposedly outright hatred for how MOST women act, I recommend you pick up the following book: http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/
Perhaps you'll notice something in there. Perhaps some kind of 'final solution.'
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:24:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I was going to go with a plus one, but I had never heard of the PMS leave before.
If that goes through I want my favorite sports team is playing leave.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:23:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Awe come here man, you've been hurt and need a big hug.
I know its tough, as a man, to express your real feelings. Lucky for you I can see through your facade to the little boy inside that is hurt and needs attention.
Its ok pal I'm here for you.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:22:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
It's just changing way too fast for people to adapt immidialty. We're challenging traditions that are thousands of years old here, on both side of the fence and people are mixed up.
But this was pretty funny.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:22:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
If a woman is drunk and doesn't like who she wakes up to, it's rape (too drunk to give informed consent). If a man is drunk and doesn't like who he wakes up to, it's beer goggles.
Or another way, if a woman is too drunk to give informed consent, a man is too drunk to rationally care. What's the difference? A double standard of drunkenness.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:15:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
It's so true. It's so, so true.
Submitted by Wrightcopy (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:14:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
I hate double standards. But what I also hate are generalizations. If you had added just a sentence saying, "No, not all women are like this," you would've gotten my +2, cuz lord knows my boyfriend uses them a hell of a lot more than I do. If you did include this and I missed it, I apologize.
Submitted by WildcatMcGee (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:09:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
+2 simply because somone else wrote down what I've bitched about for years. I've read something similar before though.
Submitted by yermom (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:07:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by WellFedEthiopian (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:06:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:02:43 (#)
Ranking: 2
The bottom line is that it's just easier to blame your failures on sexism, racism or some other "ism" than it is to admit a personal shortcoming. It's just human nature.
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My thoughts exactly.
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:04:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Heard it before.
And I hate links to articles in posts. One is enough, but two? UGH
+1 though because it's true. Even though I don't care. My girlfriend pays as much as I do. Sucks for you guys.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:02:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
You're probably going to catch a lot of flack for this (or maybe not, it's hard to say), but I agree with you for the most part. I have several girlfriends that I would like to punch in the face sometimes for having many of the same attitudes that you mentioned in this post.
The bottom line is that it's just easier to blame your failures on sexism, racism or some other "ism" than it is to admit a personal shortcoming. It's just human nature.
Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2005-10-19 13:02:01 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I am tempted to give you a second 2+ in a pre-emptive attempt to counteract the deluge for -2s that are inevitably going to come from the females (and probably ghey menz). The fact that my girlfriend would read this post, laugh, and agree with most of it makes me appreciate her even more.