What if the United States never existed ? (2432 hits)
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Submitted by peternorth (View user info) at 2005-10-28 17:15:29 EDT
Some thoughts to ponder if the Colonists never rebelled from England. These are neither right or wrong, but what if...
1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves.
2. Germany would have won World War II and Europe would have been a single country. Granted we didn't "win" the war, but we sure as hell helped.
3. The prevelant world languge would have been Japanese, German, or French.
4. France would have realized the fight for the New World was up with England. Canada would be claimed as a French colony.
5. Kings and Queens would still rule countries - not like today. England has a monarchy, but mostly they sit around and do dick while real government makes the rules.
6. American Indians could have survived in larger numbers and more of a resistance could have been made.
7. Central and South America would have been raped and pillaged for gold, jewels, and oil. Without the "compassionate" United States, these countries would still be colonies.
8. Central and South America would be 3rd world states.
But alas, we did rebel against our English, French, and Spanish conquistadors. In the past couple of years all everyone can do is bitch about American policies and practices. Sure, we did some dumb shit in the past and still do. However, nobody else has the balls or the power to do what we can. I wish Saddam Hussain was still in power and shot a nuke or bio weapon at another country. Then everyone would be " why didn't anyone do anything about it". Is it shitty we invaded Iraq, sure, most people will say yes. I'd like to see France, Spain, Italy, Russia or England survive without us.
The reason we play big brother to the world is because frankly you need it. If John Kerry won the election, he would have done the same thing Bush did - maybe in a little differant way, but the same results would have been had.
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Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2005-12-22 03:32:57 EST (#)
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terrible
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2005-12-22 02:35:28 EST (#)
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Fucking...
Idiot...
Submitted by kolenabobena (user info) at 2005-12-22 01:56:42 EST (#)
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jk
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Submitted by Azk (user info) at 2005-11-02 12:01:27 EST (#)
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Your not taking into account NEARLY enough factors. But...the arguments fictional and gay anyway.
Die k thx bye...
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2005-11-02 11:44:08 EST (#)
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I agree.
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-11-02 05:30:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-10-31 22:09:03 (#)
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"5. By the time America claimed independance, constitutionalism was in progress in most European nations. America had no impact on the French revolution or the subsequent evolution of British constitutionalism in the 1800s."
This is wrong. First, even if American ideals didnt influence the french revolution, the fact that the American Revolution bankrupted France did. Furthermore, Thomas Paine did a lot of writing to encourage the french revolution (just like he did for the American revolution) along with other American writers. Not to mention the fact that politicians like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were practically worshipped in France.
And the ww2 thing is wrong. If America had been completely neutral, there is a very slim chance the Allies would ahve won. After all, it was america that supplied england/russia with airplanes, guns, ammunition, fuel and just about every other supply you can imagine. You really think the soviets, who's airforce was detroyed on the ground and couldnt supply their own army, could roll past the better trained/equipped Germans?
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You're an asshat.
1, Please go and look up the dates of the respective revolutions - France, 1689, America, c.1775. The American revolution has zero impact on the French - the French revolution was the model for Worldwide libertarian revolutions, including the Russian revolution of 1917. Franklin and Jefferson may have been 'worshipped' in France by students, the intelligentsia and the enlightened bourgeoisie, but it is the people who make revolutions, NOT intellectuals.
2, America, whilst still neutral, was prepared to provide ALL participants with supplies, as neutrality meant they could not favour Britain and the Allies over the Axis. Whatever you think, the Soviets could and did roll past the better equipped Germans, through sheer weight of numbers. Yes, their equipment was inferior, but they could build new equipment faster than any other power involved. If you're prepared to lose millions of lives protecting ONE city and still keep men coming, you have a serious advantage - one which no other power had.
And there is AMPLE archival evidence (much of which you'll never see) to suggest that Britain and Russia would have won eventually - without Hitler the Reich collapsed, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that senior Nazi's were trying to negotiate a peace or ceasefire OR to remove Hitler from power one way or another.
Submitted by morbo (user info) at 2005-11-01 15:39:19 EST (#)
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thank you. you all would be getting fuked up the ass by slant eyes and hitler if it wernt for usa, not to mention alot of other crap
Submitted by FuckTheArmy (user info) at 2005-11-01 00:48:10 EST (#)
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I was going to go on a rant, and quote people to note just how damned stupid you are, but fuck it, I'll pose a question to you instead:
What if the Russian revolution had happened in Germany instead?
I don't think the existence of the US would have counted any more, for one.
Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-10-31 22:09:03 EST (#)
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"5. By the time America claimed independance, constitutionalism was in progress in most European nations. America had no impact on the French revolution or the subsequent evolution of British constitutionalism in the 1800s."
This is wrong. First, even if American ideals didnt influence the french revolution, the fact that the American Revolution bankrupted France did. Furthermore, Thomas Paine did a lot of writing to encourage the french revolution (just like he did for the American revolution) along with other American writers. Not to mention the fact that politicians like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were practically worshipped in France.
And the ww2 thing is wrong. If America had been completely neutral, there is a very slim chance the Allies would ahve won. After all, it was america that supplied england/russia with airplanes, guns, ammunition, fuel and just about every other supply you can imagine. You really think the soviets, who's airforce was detroyed on the ground and couldnt supply their own army, could roll past the better trained/equipped Germans?
Submitted by mles76 (user info) at 2005-10-31 13:22:54 EST (#)
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Retard
Submitted by zoobie2000 (user info) at 2005-10-31 11:40:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2005-10-31 10:57:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by Average_Dan (user info) at 2005-10-31 07:54:34 EST (#)
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Auto +2 for all. For me, a n00b, getting on B@W!!
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Submitted by Flying_buttmonkey (user info) at 2005-10-31 07:11:18 EST (#)
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Nobber
Submitted by Flying_buttmonkey (user info) at 2005-10-31 07:11:04 EST (#)
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The reason we play big brother to the world is because frankly you need it
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We were doing just fine for squillions of years before you guys came along thanks
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2005-10-31 04:00:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by jeveuxgagner (user info) at 2005-10-31 01:49:25 EST (#)
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IF YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVED ANY OF WHAT YOU WROTE PLEASE KILL YOURSELF RIGHT NOW.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE POINTS WAS MISGUIDED
SO DUMB IS THIS POST THAT I CAN BARELY BELIEVE IT IS SERIOUS.
I AM ALMOST ENTIRELY SURE THAT YOU ARE INBRED OR IF NOT THAT A CUCKHOLD. BUT WAIT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. MAYBE YOU SHOULD ASK YOUR WIFE.
Submitted by malefic (user info) at 2005-10-31 00:51:18 EST (#)
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It's not even worth explaining. The tard was wrong on just about every count.
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2005-10-31 00:17:32 EST (#)
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If you're serious and even if you're not I hate you. Go poke a tiger, I want you dead.
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2005-10-31 00:02:22 EST (#)
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le sigh
Submitted by Agent_Smith (user info) at 2005-10-30 21:07:09 EST (#)
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This is a joke you fucking leftards.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2005-10-30 20:59:24 EST (#)
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People would have nothing to bitch about on Uber.
Submitted by Draqus (user info) at 2005-10-30 17:02:03 EST (#)
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<chortles>
Adereterial's review is almost identical to mine!
How fucking suspicious... It's almost like your post is certifiably bullshit!!
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2005-10-30 13:31:55 EST (#)
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1. Oooh, so we did. And we happen to have abolished slavery long before you did, and with far better consequences, I might add.
2. Yes, you helped. That is all... and there's plenty of evidence to suggest that England and Russia would have prevailed in the end. Congratulate yourself on arriving late and shortening the duration, but that's about it.
3. That's absolute bullshit - English was spread to the colonies by England. It's got nothing to do with America and much more to do with Britain being THE world power in the modern era.
4. Again, nonsense.
5. By the time America claimed independance, constitutionalism was in progress in most European nations. America had no impact on the French revolution or the subsequent evolution of British constitutionalism in the 1800s.
6. Like hell they would.
7. Central and South America have already been pillaged for gold, jewels and oil.
8. A lot of Central and South America is still classifiable as Third World, despite the affluence and so called 'compassion' of it's neighbour. Cuba is Second World, but that's about it.
Where do you think you're coming from?
Submitted by starshine (user info) at 2005-10-30 12:57:16 EST (#)
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this would've been a good post if you were more erudite
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2005-10-30 12:14:41 EST (#)
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Idiot. South America would be the same as today, except without all the dictators the US government propped up in place of democratically elected leaders.
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2005-10-30 12:12:57 EST (#)
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Canada never had slaves. Eat it.
Submitted by Draqus (user info) at 2005-10-30 11:29:07 EST (#)
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1) England, for one, abolished slavery well before America
2) The outcome of the war would not have been a guaranteed German victory; the Battle of Britain was the deciding factor in *that* venture.
3) English was spread, funnily enough, by the English, during the colonial days. It has nothing to do with America in the slightest.
4) I don't even know what the fuck you're on for this one.
5) The French Revolution, for one, had nothing to do with America in the slightest, and it was the first test-case for Republicanism. Oh, and the waning power of the British monarchy began well before America became independant (and they don't do dick: they wave, sometimes).
6) Surely the fact that the colonists were there at all would have diminished the American Indian population, fucknut?
7) Sorry, but it's the point where you say "compassionate"... <insert generic War In Iraq comment>
8) They are.
Submitted by olivia_tremor_control (user info) at 2005-10-30 11:20:35 EST (#)
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i knew this was going to be crap striaght from this:
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1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves.
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we were one of the last major countries to abolish slavery, all other advanced countries at the time had already banned slavery before us.
Submitted by greyfox (user info) at 2005-10-30 11:03:52 EST (#)
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lol caulain-pwned
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-30 10:13:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2005-10-30 07:28:21 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-29 14:22:41 (#)
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The jews started WWI
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Yes. Yes we did. What's your fucking point?
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What do you think, idiot?! The point is that you belong in a oven!
Just pulling your chain :-P
Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2005-10-30 07:28:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-29 14:22:41 (#)
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The jews started WWI
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Yes. Yes we did. What's your fucking point?
Submitted by Xcuses (user info) at 2005-10-30 02:33:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-10-29 17:57:54 (#)
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What if you were never born? The world would be a better place.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-10-30 01:38:18 EST (#)
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england was the first major nation to ban slavery.
retard.
Submitted by Chinaski (user info) at 2005-10-30 01:32:45 EST (#)
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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/09/1526251#transcript
Submitted by matnotharry (user info) at 2005-10-29 18:30:30 EDT (#)
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"I wish Saddam Hussain was still in power and shot a nuke or bio weapon at another country"
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Mate?!
Submitted by Trout (user info) at 2005-10-29 18:05:41 EDT (#)
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england does not equal britain - fucking stupid colonial
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-10-29 17:57:54 EDT (#)
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What if you were never born? The world would be a better place.
Submitted by Chicane (user info) at 2005-10-29 17:45:55 EDT (#)
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your clueless dude
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-10-29 17:37:28 EDT (#)
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this is easily the dumbest post I've ever seen
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2005-10-29 16:11:03 EDT (#)
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This is what happens when you learn Western history from email forwards.
Let me try: 'Also... if America had never been invented (by white settlers in 1776,) George Washington Carver would have never been born, which means Kublai Kahn would have crossed the Delaware River, stopping Abraham Lincoln from ever signing the Magna Carta that declared equal rights for women!'
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-29 14:44:18 EDT (#)
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okay Im going to go into more detail,
1. Wrong Britain was the first major country to abolish slavery
2. If the US had never achieved independance chances are Britain would rule the entire world, so no war. Plus you didn't change anythign anyway, we would have won without you, you just speede up the result.
3. Erm, nope see point 2.
4. Oh, yeah if they had failed to get us out of the US then obviously they would have suceeded where they failed anyway. Wrong.
5. What? No idiot British Parliament would rule the world or if we didn't conquer the whole thing, then clones of Brisith parliament would, i.e Australian parliament/Canadian.
6. This makes no sense. Wrong.
7&8. Assuming the British didn't conquer the entire world then they would be much as they are today. I really don't get this.
Its just all wrong.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2005-10-29 14:27:55 EDT (#)
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I only read the first point, and thats wrong so I don't think I'll bother with the rest.
I hope you dont mention WW2 in there anywhere
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-29 14:22:41 EDT (#)
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The jews started WWI
Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2005-10-29 14:14:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-10-29 12:36:41 (#)
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The U.S. stayed out of WWI as long as possible. Therefore, very little significant
contribution.
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I must be missing something here.
The war was at a complete stalemate until the United States joined in and helped tilt the odds in favor of the Allies. The U.S. basically won that war, unlike WWII where they joined in when Germany was already being pushed back and just hastened the inevitable.
Whether Caulaincourt is right and the Allies would have won eventually anyway or would have declared a ceasefire before that could happen is another question. Anyway, this whole discussion is retarded and who gives a flying fuck?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-29 13:44:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-10-29 13:13:40 (#)
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Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-10-29 12:52:14 (#)
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"The U.S. stayed out of WWI as long as possible. Therefore, very little significant
contribution. "
The U.S.'s entry just ensured the allies victory
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Compared to WWII, very little contribution.
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True. The US casualties are change compared to what the others suffer in WWI. Their economical and military effort of WWII is incomparable.
If they had not participate, I couldn't have rented all the episodes of Band Of Brothers and that would've suck.
I need to cut back on coffee!
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-10-29 13:13:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-10-29 12:52:14 (#)
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"The U.S. stayed out of WWI as long as possible. Therefore, very little significant
contribution. "
The U.S.'s entry just ensured the allies victory
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Compared to WWII, very little contribution.
Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-10-29 12:52:14 EDT (#)
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"The U.S. stayed out of WWI as long as possible. Therefore, very little significant
contribution. "
The U.S.'s entry just ensured the allies victory
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-10-29 12:38:00 EDT (#)
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Let's play the "what if" game.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-10-29 12:36:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-29 11:43:16 (#)
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Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2005-10-29 11:26:50 (#)
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I can't decide whether this is hit-whoring or just a retarded opinion.
For starters, had America not existed the stalemate during WWI would have never been broken, Germany wouldn't have been humiliated in the peace treaties, and so WWII wouldn't have happened in the first place.
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Wars don't last for eternity, it would've broken eventually. The advent of the tank was already changing the course of war. America only accelerated the victory. Their contribution was really not that significant compared to the role they played during WWII.
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The U.S. stayed out of WWI as long as possible. Therefore, very little significant
contribution.
Submitted by Call911 (user info) at 2005-10-29 12:25:33 EDT (#)
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Your wrong on so many levels...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-29 11:43:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2005-10-29 11:26:50 (#)
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I can't decide whether this is hit-whoring or just a retarded opinion.
For starters, had America not existed the stalemate during WWI would have never been broken, Germany wouldn't have been humiliated in the peace treaties, and so WWII wouldn't have happened in the first place.
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Wars don't last for eternity, it would've broken eventually. The advent of the tank was already changing the course of war. America only accelerated the victory. Their contribution was really not that significant compared to the role they played during WWII.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-10-29 11:42:12 EDT (#)
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The Native Americans wouldn't have put up much of a fight against anyone, regardless of their numbers. They would be beated back the same way and for the same reasons that blacks became slaves. All has to do with weapon technology and Africans and Native Americans didn't have it.
The Europeans also had some kickass diseases too.
I think my dog swallowing afterbirth is more entertaining than this post.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-10-29 11:40:24 EDT (#)
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IF the dog hadn't stopped to shit, he would have won the race.
IF you hadn't been eating the shit, you would have seen the race.
Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2005-10-29 11:26:50 EDT (#)
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I can't decide whether this is hit-whoring or just a retarded opinion.
For starters, had America not existed the stalemate during WWI would have never been broken, Germany wouldn't have been humiliated in the peace treaties, and so WWII wouldn't have happened in the first place.
Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2005-10-29 10:50:09 EDT (#)
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this is stupid.
it's fallacious to assume that if the 200 year+ existence of the US was removed from history, all other historical events would be the same. the world would be an entirely different place.
after all, the world is a chaotic system (characterised by extreme dependence on initial conditions). so if you ran history again from say, 1750, with no War of Independence then things would be incredibly different.
Submitted by Gunslinger (user info) at 2005-10-29 10:36:22 EDT (#)
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1) Uninstall life
2)Do some fucking RESEARCH
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2005-10-29 10:07:13 EDT (#)
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Uninformed, unresearched ramblings of a 'tard. duh-DUHHHHH!!
Submitted by Geekboy_1 (user info) at 2005-10-29 09:45:43 EDT (#)
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Wow. Really, what can I say that hasn't been said by everyone else?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2005-10-29 09:43:39 EDT (#)
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This looks like one of those forwarded e-mails that people like fat tony falls for.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2005-10-29 09:30:14 EDT (#)
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1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves.
Actually dickmouth this isn't true at all, go do some goddamn research
Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2005-10-29 06:29:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by peternorth (user info) at 2005-10-28 23:20:13 (#)
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Your just pissed because your government has to do what our government tells you.
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Oh god. How about you tell me why?
"We have loadsa' nukes harhar"
Yeah well, say hello to our nuclear subs smartarse, we can launch them from anywhere.
"We have a bigger an strongER army you limey monkies"
Yeah well, our army is better trained than yours, and the bulldog spirit of the british would have us all joining up like we did in ww2.
So, to re-cap, any country with a nuke is just as powerful as Yanksville and although America has a much higher population most of them are fat and would not be allowed to join the army, I use the term army loosely, as yu fucktards seem unable to keep yourselves from killing our British boys by mistake and bombing the wrong places. Where are they trained? Kindergarten? Send them to deepcut - our training soldiers are such fucking cunts they make other recruits commit suicide.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-10-29 06:20:26 EDT (#)
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1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves.
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America was one of the last countries to emancipate anyone. And your civil rights movement was far behind the rest of the western world's in race relations. Britain emancipated it's slaves in 1837. I'm no history major but I get a feeling the civil war was a bit after that buddy; and even then you didn't free negros for four years.
2. Germany would have won World War II and Europe would have been a single country. Granted we didn't "win" the war, but we sure as hell helped.
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Russia did more to Germany than America ever did. Japan would have won the Pacific; though if it weren't for a yankee oil embargo there would never have been a war over there. The japs would have taken China, Manchuria and Korea though.
3. The prevelant world languge would have been Japanese, German, or French.
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As opposed to Mandarin, fuckhead?
Britain occupied nations and taught English. Besides the Phillipines what did the yanks ever do for english as a language?
4. France would have realized the fight for the New World was up with England. Canada would be claimed as a French colony.
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If America didn't exist god only knows what Boney would have tried in the Americas. So, we'll leave this one as a "God nly knows" category. But your theory still reeks of shit.
5. Kings and Queens would still rule countries - not like today. England has a monarchy, but mostly they sit around and do dick while real government makes the rules.
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Yeah mate... It was America that did that for us all.
6. American Indians could have survived in larger numbers and more of a resistance could have been made.
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Against who? America didn't exist.
7. Central and South America would have been raped and pillaged for gold, jewels, and oil. Without the "compassionate" United States, these countries would still be colonies.
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They were raped pillaged and plundered. And the states didn't really do all that much to help. In a lot of places you fucked it up worse.
8. Central and South America would be 3rd world states.
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As opposed to....?
After actually reading that I have to say you're either an alter or a further justification in my belief that fascism is a viable option for people too stupid to govern themselves. Everyday I find myself closer and closer to supporting eugenics.
Submitted by Bushy (user info) at 2005-10-29 02:53:16 EDT (#)
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you sir, are a fool.
Gray Ghost destroyed your pathetic self congratulations.
Don't get me wrong, i reckon america is just fine, some day i will go and have a look around, probably on a motorbike, because that would be cool, but all of your statements are wrong. And no, by putting a crappy disclaimer "These are neither right or wrong," you do not excuse yourself. Hypotheticals can be fun, but only if the people considering them are smart enough to use logic and reason to extrapolate conclusions.
Submitted by pizdets (user info) at 2005-10-29 02:52:08 EDT (#)
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Some thoughts to ponder if the Colonists never rebelled from England. These are neither right or wrong, but what if...
1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves.
Most of Europe beat America to that by many years. Let's not get started on how long it took America to let bitches vote.
2. Germany would have won World War II and Europe would have been a single country. Granted we didn't "win" the war, but we sure as hell helped.
World War II would never have happened, more than likely. If it had, England would've fucked up some serious shit with all those land-holdings which it still would have had.
3. The prevelant world languge would have been Japanese, German, or French.
Point?
4. France would have realized the fight for the New World was up with England. Canada would be claimed as a French colony.
Then the Reptilians from Proxima Centauri would have come down and colonized America.
5. Kings and Queens would still rule countries - not like today. England has a monarchy, but mostly they sit around and do dick while real government makes the rules.
Because, you know, democracy wasn't invented in ancient Greece or anything. Nope, purely American.
6. American Indians could have survived in larger numbers and more of a resistance could have been made.
Someone should give you a smallpox-infected blanket.
7. Central and South America would have been raped and pillaged for gold, jewels, and oil. Without the "compassionate" United States, these countries would still be colonies.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhah. That is all.
8. Central and South America would be 3rd world states.
So, nothing would be any different there?
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2005-10-29 01:25:25 EDT (#)
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1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves.
I didn't get past this. Really? Is that why slavery was abolished in 1833 in Great Britain, a full 30 years or so before the emancipation proclamation?
No one is this stupid. You're an alter.
Submitted by Magickmuse (user info) at 2005-10-29 00:41:00 EDT (#)
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Very good
One of the best "Think about it" pieces of work I've seen lately.
Submitted by Balrog (user info) at 2005-10-28 23:43:39 EDT (#)
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I'm afraid your wrong....where should I get started? number 1: Britain ended slavery long before america did.2: I love how every american dwells on world war 2, europe probably would have survived the war due to the fact that the big russian bear's winter was kicking some ass and germany was losing troops to it like nobodies business. 3: No. 4: Chances are any number of things could have happend, and it didnt really matter anyway, the french are the only reason the rebellion succeeded 90% of american ammunition was supplied by the french, the rest was captured. 5:Probably not, france had the first real democracy (argueable) by several years, and the english monarch is a symbol dickwad. 6:Thats a good thing, man wish america hadn't existed just on that premise 7: Compassionate? We'd finished rapeing those countries long before america formed, and america has had numerous wars, and an icy relationship with all south american countries for a long ass time. 8: your a thrid world state...faggot
-Hates it when americans can't get a single fact straight
Submitted by peternorth (user info) at 2005-10-28 23:20:13 EDT (#)
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Your just pissed because your government has to do what our government tells you.
Submitted by gAGGLE (user info) at 2005-10-28 20:36:21 EDT (#)
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But 7 and 8 did happen.
Plus, defending current idiocy by citing past accomplishments is bullshit because YOU had NOTHING to do with any of the 8 items in your list that are before your time. Whereas what the fuck are YOU doing to combat all the shit the US is doing to the world today (assuming you are American).
Defendant: "I know I'm guilty of murder, judge, but my great-grandfather was a good man."
Judge: "Oh! Well in that case... you are free to go."
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-10-28 20:00:17 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Dante_Alighieri (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:39:14 EDT (#)
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Interesting post.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:35:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:14:08 (#)
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"2) Russia could have won the war with British support. When you can lose 15 million fighting men and keep on coming, you're unstoppable."
Hate to break it to you, but Britain couldnt support itself. How they hell is it going to support 15 million soldiers? British planes would have been stuck on the ground without fuel from America, and the british couldnt have supplied the russians by sea for very long.
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In Teheran, Stalin demanded an invasion of the Western front to relieve some pressure on the Eastern one. At this point, the Russians were already advancing, not retreating. Resistance groups were getting more and more organized as well. It could've been done. It would've been way longer but it could've been done.
Submitted by ih8u2man (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:35:34 EDT (#)
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ubmitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:23:30 (#)
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Would've been better if YOU'D never existed.
Right on the $$$ man!
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:23:30 EDT (#)
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Would've been better if YOU'D never existed.
Submitted by DonMecca (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:22:25 EDT (#)
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GaryGhost fucking rocks. Though here is a point I'd like to make about the language. In America English is spoken, in England, we don't speak American.
Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:14:08 EDT (#)
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"2) Russia could have won the war with British support. When you can lose 15 million fighting men and keep on coming, you're unstoppable."
Hate to break it to you, but Britain couldnt support itself. How they hell is it going to support 15 million soldiers? British planes would have been stuck on the ground without fuel from America, and the british couldnt have supplied the russians by sea for very long.
Submitted by satchel (user info) at 2005-10-28 19:02:23 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by freebie (user info) at 2005-10-28 18:59:04 EDT (#)
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It's not worth a -2, but keep in mind you'll get no support for america here. America sucks is only surpassed by christians suck around here.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-10-28 18:08:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:28:34 (#)
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Didn't Britain abolish slavery in 1808?
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That is correct - The United States was one of the LAST countries to abolish slavery.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-28 18:01:16 EDT (#)
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GrayGhost wins the argument.
Submitted by GrayGhost (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:55:02 EDT (#)
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1) The United States was the last industrialized country to have slaves. England and France refused to recognize the Confederacy because of its slaves.
2) Russia could have won the war with British support. When you can lose 15 million fighting men and keep on coming, you're unstoppable.
3) England still had the world's largest overseas empire. Why do you think they speak English in Australia, India, Hong Kong and New Zealand? American colonies? I think not.
4) England colonized Canada and the eastern seaboard. With their Navy, there is no way France could have competed. Napoleon lost (twice) because of England's Navy.
5) England's Constitutional Monarchy would have been the blueprint, or France's Revolution. France killed or exiled all their monarchs, without "American" help.
6) It was English colonists that did the initial damage. There's no telling what continued English or French (or Spanish) expansion could have done. Look at what Spain did to the Mexican natives. No American influence there.
7) The United States maintains colonies today, moreso then even England. Central and South America HAVE been pillaged. Guess who's money is inspiring those people to pillage their own lands? It's not European money, if you need a hint.
8) It wouldn't be much of a stretch to state those regions ARE third world states. They are not industrialized, corruption is rife, and the standard of living is as low there as anyway else in the world. Look up the word "colonialism" and you'll discover the root of every problem ravaging Africa.
Europe and the China/Japan/Taiwan block could certainly do just fine without the United States. The European Union, less then 5 years after it's conception, has already become the most powerful economy in the world. With the consolidation of their militaries, it's only a matter of time before NATO is obsolete and Europe doesn't need US help at all.
Wait until China combines the world largest labor pool with free enterprise. The reason you're paying 3 bucks a gallon at the pump isn't because of Hurricane Katrina. It's because China's outbidding us for the little remaining oil in the world. Now they've got control of the largest oil reserves in the Pacific Ocean, taking another source of energy away from us. We better hurry and replace our oil dependencies before it collapses completely.
Get your history straight. The US has been around for only 220 years. France and England have existed for over a thousand years, and China for over 5000 years.
Submitted by Kindred (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:45:50 EDT (#)
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What if you had never posted this steaming pile of tripe....
Submitted by parzival (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:39:12 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:38:24 EDT (#)
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France is evil?
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Yes. Well not so much as evil, more proud of absolutely nothing.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:36:19 EDT (#)
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"if you read a history book"
Big fucking 'if'
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:36:06 EDT (#)
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I'd be living in Shlongyania.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:35:03 EDT (#)
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I'd like to see France, Spain, Italy, Russia or England survive without us."""
It'll happen, soon enough. As long as your country keeps spawning arrogant people like you who think that they're the shit and that everyone should bow to them, everybody will hate you and if you read a history book, that's usually not very healthy for an empire.
Good luck!
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:34:41 EDT (#)
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"nobody else has the balls or the power to do what we can. I wish Saddam Hussain was still in power and shot a nuke or bio weapon at another country. Then everyone would be " why didn't anyone do anything about it"
Nobody else has the balls? What do balls have to do with exploiting people for financial gain?
For the second time in the past few days, I'm having to remind someone that both Britain and America actively supported Saddam whilst he was comitting atrocities all over the fucking show. Does this make any sense to you? Do they not actually teach history in America?
If Saddam being a "very bad man" is the real reason the US and UK stormed into Iraq, then why didn't we do it years ago when he was acting like a total cunt with our full support? There are much greater threats in the world than Saddam but a little media slight of hand and BAM! We can all pat ourselves on the back and WOO YEAH!
The whole thing is a fucking sham dude - the only reason any government does anything is to gain power and influence for itself. To impose some kind of rabble rousing heroics or world-saving compassion onto what is essentially a gold rush is the worst kind of self delusion.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:32:56 EDT (#)
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6. American Indians could have survived in larger numbers and more of a resistance could have been made. """
>> What?
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Yeah, I am pretty sure that they were dead long before the revolution...
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:31:03 EDT (#)
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FUCKOFF
Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:29:17 EDT (#)
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I forgot -2 DIE!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:29:17 EDT (#)
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1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves."""
>> Yes, civil rights is something that could only took place in America.
2. Germany would have won World War II and Europe would have been a single country. Granted we didn't "win" the war, but we sure as hell helped."""
>> If the United States had not exist, the powers of WWI/II would've been quite different and so would be the context. You can do anything with "What If's"
3. The prevelant world languge would have been Japanese, German, or French.
>> So? Is English superior or something? I sure wouldn't live my daily life in English. It's way too boring.
4. France would have realized the fight for the New World was up with England. Canada would be claimed as a French colony.""
>> Now it's an English colony...what's the difference...France is evil?
5. Kings and Queens would still rule countries - not like today. England has a monarchy, but mostly they sit around and do dick while real government makes the rules.
>> You think you invented democracy? There was history prior to 1776 you know. Plus, revolutions were already boiling everywhere.
6. American Indians could have survived in larger numbers and more of a resistance could have been made. """
>> What?
7. Central and South America would have been raped and pillaged for gold, jewels, and oil. Without the "compassionate" United States, these countries would still be colonies.
8. Central and South America would be 3rd world states."""
>> Funny, they keep complaining the US isn't fair with them. Maybe you throw yourself too much flowers?
If France had not exist, the United States would still be an english colony. Do they ask for respect? No...you bash them even. Why should anyone respect you when you can't respect your "maker"?
But reallly what's the fucking point of all these "If it weren't for us..." that only americans do? Are we suppose to kiss your feet? Is that it? Please explain to me what's the point of all this? Does this justify your faults? Does it make you feel like Mother Theresa? I really wanna udnerstand what pushes a person to make retarded statements like that because the only good argument in there, is that if Amerca never existed, neither would you.
Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:28:34 EDT (#)
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Didn't Britain abolish slavery in 1808?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:27:47 EDT (#)
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The same results would have been had? There is is, folks. No child left behind.
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:27:27 EDT (#)
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What if....
C-A-T really spelled 'dog?'
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:26:39 EDT (#)
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George W Bush deserves to be raped and murdered in front of his own slutty daughters.
Submitted by userpete86 (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:26:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:24:30 (#)
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1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves.
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Bravo, although you are wrong. Britain abolished slavery before America, Tard.
You would like to see us survive without America???? Ahahahah! What the fuck?? Please no more, go back to your fat fucking family and shovel popcorn down your throat while you watch American Gladiators. "Gee huneh, I'm so glaaad we aint not Omericains, woooooo, heeeey a coon, someone pass me a stick"
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I was just going to skip the rating until I saw a need to big brother this rating back to a "0"
Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:24:30 EDT (#)
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1. All black people would still be slaves. The U.S was one of the first to give freedom to blacks. England, France, Spain, and most other countries had slaves.
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Bravo, although you are wrong. Britain abolished slavery before America, Tard.
You would like to see us survive without America???? Ahahahah! What the fuck?? Please no more, go back to your fat fucking family and shovel popcorn down your throat while you watch American Gladiators. "Gee huneh, I'm so glaaad we aint not Omericains, woooooo, heeeey a coon, someone pass me a stick"
Submitted by insanedoc (user info) at 2005-10-28 17:19:54 EDT (#)
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Bravo. In that short post, you achieved the goal of most persuasive pieces: to make the audiance think about the subject from your point of view. I salute you, you sexy beast... I mean... great author.... yeah....