Guns don't kill people. (2264 hits)
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Submitted by i.am.the.prophet.at.gmail.com (View user info) at 2005-11-15 23:24:26 EST
You know, I hate to admit it and side with the rednecks, but guns really don't kill people, people do. Guns are simply the instrument used to execute a malicious will. Aren't they?
Can gun control work? Think of every time you've been angry enough to want to kill somebody, and at the time, had you had a gun, you might have shot the person. If guns are readily available, people are going to get shot. Alot. But people will get shot with or without gun control, so why penalise the responsible gun owners for the idiocy of a few? Because nobody NEEDS a gun. Not in this continent, anyway. Anybody who claims to need a gun to protect their family is retarded. If you live in an area where you might have to shoot someone to keep your family safe, move the fuck out of there. That is no environment in which you should be raising children.
Let's say, for the sake of discussion, you feel you really should keep a gun handy in the house, just in case of a real emergency. To be a responsible gun owner, you should be locking up your gun in a cabinet, right? So when a potential threat breaks into your house at 2 a.m., are you going to be able to run around, find the key and get your gun before the guy shoots you? It kind of defeats the purpose of keeping a gun, doesn't it? And besides, anybody breaking into your house at 2 a.m. probably just wants to steal your VCR. Don't flatter yourself, you're not important enough to be assassinated.
If you are an irresponsible gun owner, then YOU are the threat to my family. But I'm not going to shoot you, I will want to take your gun away, and maybe try to talk some sense into you. Guns are tools designed to take the life of another human being. A solution could be to toughen up on gun control. Have people to inspect gun owners' homes and make sure the guns are properly being taken care of. Don't just hand out guns to anybody. At least have gun buyers pass an aptitude test before getting a gun. IQ of less than 100? No gun for you! This may sound radical, but stupid people shouldn't have the right to a gun. If you can't consider a serious moral dillemma like having to take a life, you shouldn't be given the tools to do so.
Now tell me, why do YOU need a gun?
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Submitted by fuckstick (user info) at 2005-11-18 20:45:00 EST (#)
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Remember that episode of Family Ties where Steven bought a gun, and then one night APK came home late and was banging shit around downstairs, and Steven went down to confront the 'burglar' only to find it was his son, but he didn't grab the gun, instead he grabbed a tennis racket because of the sanctity of human life? And Mallory was all like, "wow!" And it taught us all a very valuable lesson. Tina Yothers is fuckin ugly.
Le brochette du fickyfick
Submitted by Quint (user info) at 2005-11-18 17:52:06 EST (#)
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Nobody needs a gun, but a lot of people want them. Nobody reallt needs cigarettes or alcohol either, but many people want them.
I would love to see guns banned, but it isn't going to happen in my lifetime. There are too many guys with small dicks that need something to compensate with.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-18 13:11:07 EST (#)
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I'm just saying that if guns were harder to obtain by criminals, less crinimals would use guns. Less death. Give them hell to try to get guns, instead of just saying, well fuck it, theyre going to have guns anyway, so I might as well out-arm them.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2005-11-18 09:00:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-18 06:49:49 (#)
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Submitted by Playboy (user info) at 2005-11-18 03:47:41 (#)
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<i>Now tell me, why do YOU need a gun?</i>
Because guns are cool; like smoking, or sodomy.
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I tried to sodomise my last girlfriend but she kept crying and saying "I'm not daddies little princess anymore".
Kind of killed the mood.
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HAHAHAHAHA
I agree with the sentiment. Guns are for death, and any country that allows the posession of them by the general public deserves all the problems they get.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-18 06:53:46 EST (#)
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you kidding me?
thats hot
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-18 06:49:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by Playboy (user info) at 2005-11-18 03:47:41 (#)
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<i>Now tell me, why do YOU need a gun?</i>
Because guns are cool; like smoking, or sodomy.
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I tried to sodomise my last girlfriend but she kept crying and saying "I'm not daddies little princess anymore".
Kind of killed the mood.
Submitted by Playboy (user info) at 2005-11-18 03:47:41 EST (#)
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<i>Now tell me, why do YOU need a gun?</i>
Because guns are cool; like smoking, or sodomy.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-18 01:52:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-11-17 22:22:02 (#)
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people can have their rifles. fine, have your pistols.
there's no need for ak-47's and all that jazz.
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somtimes I need to put 30 rounds into a target in 5 seconds.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-18 01:50:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-17 21:46:11 (#)
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Rad, way to jump to conclusions. I'm not a huge pothead. I haven't smoked weed in like two months, and when the fuck did I go all out and tell everyone that I smoke? It's more about the fact that I am into HERBOLOGY. Yeah, I'm a dork, fuck you. It's also about that Bob Marley song, African Herbsman. And please, stop using the words left-wing and liberal as insults. It doesn't reflect well upon your intelligence.
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two WHOLE months? wow, let me get you a fucking chip.
furthermore, my usage of left-wing and liberal were not meant as insults. The word "pussy" was meant as an insult. left wing and liberal merely classify a certain ideology that sets people up for failure while under the guise of assisting them. If you see it as an insult, perhaps you should reconsider your belief systems; if you are embarrassed to believe what you believe, perhaps what you believe is wrong.
back to your user id. you can understand where the confusion would lie. The way you reason and write is indicitive of a person under the influence of an intelligence retardant substance, and combined with your id it is a reasonable assumption that you are into smoking pot. As you can see, I was pretty much right on. Now, if you are saying that you have been off the devil grass for two WHOLE months now, we can come to two conclusions.
1. you smoked yourself stupid at some point in your life, past the point of recovering what brain function you were born with
2. you are just naturally at the same intelligence level as a high functioning retarded person.
either way I wish you the best of luck, and wholeheartedly agree that people like you should never be near a firearm.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2005-11-17 22:22:02 EST (#)
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people can have their rifles. fine, have your pistols.
there's no need for ak-47's and all that jazz.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-17 21:46:11 EST (#)
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Rad, way to jump to conclusions. I'm not a huge pothead. I haven't smoked weed in like two months, and when the fuck did I go all out and tell everyone that I smoke? It's more about the fact that I am into HERBOLOGY. Yeah, I'm a dork, fuck you. It's also about that Bob Marley song, African Herbsman. And please, stop using the words left-wing and liberal as insults. It doesn't reflect well upon your intelligence.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2005-11-17 21:45:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2005-11-17 18:57:59 (#)
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Actually, Susie's and Rad's responses deserve a +2. I agree with the above point. My wife has some Irish relatives who can make guns out of tin cans and some chewing gum. Once the recipe for black powder was out there, controlling it was pretty much a lost cause.
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i'd almost pay to see that... then again i have family in the ira, maybe i should ask around.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:56:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:36:11 (#)
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im assumming that a bi-polar wackjob such as myself does not constitute 'reasonable'
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I don't want to go as far as saying everyone should be required to get a psychological exam, because while that would probably be msot effective in figuring out who shouldn't be handling guns, it's just not reasonable. I'd say people with a history of violent behavior, depression, mental disorders, what have you, should not be allowed to own a gun.
But I'd do a bunch of things.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:36:28 EST (#)
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or 'responsible' for that matter
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:36:11 EST (#)
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im assumming that a bi-polar wackjob such as myself does not constitute 'reasonable'
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:32:32 EST (#)
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I'll never argue that a responisble person shouldn't be allowed to own a safe (relative to another, more dangerous) gun.
I'll argue what constitutes a "responsible person" and a "safe gun" to death, though.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:27:08 EST (#)
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credibility issues aside, you understand I'm not going to shoot somebody merely for breaking in and stealing my stereo.
now, if he presents a threat, then Im gonna do what I gotta do.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:20:28 EST (#)
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(credibility issues with that there, you don't see those of us who can smoke a little reefer and still make logical arguments advertise their drug use on every review they write)
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:19:18 EST (#)
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on another note, why am I arguing with an idiot that goes by 'herbman'
roll another J, mr. pothead, and lose more of your mind in a cloud of smoke.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:18:24 EST (#)
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(I took a super-conservative pill, and ate my spinach)
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:17:45 EST (#)
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sure, the burglar MAY be there for some property, but it remains that he may be there to hurt you or your family. And that is not a chance I, nor many gun owners, are willing to take. You can take your arguments that we probably will never be attacked (which is statistically true) and shove them up your ass.
I only have one life on this earth, and I'll be damned if some pussy liberal progressive living constitutionalists are going to take away a valuable resource for the safety and security of my family.
from my cold dead hands.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 20:14:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-17 13:02:24 (#)
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People are out committing property crimes to get the funds for a firearm. Citizens are being victimized on a much higher level; armed thugs know their percentages are better that they have the only gun at the scene of their crime. Firearm related murder rates will go down, but all other crime will rise sharply.
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Rad, that is not a well-reasonned argument. You do not know that any of those things would happen.
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well-reasoned speculation based on trends taken from various sources such as the UCR (uniform crime report, a little publication the FBI puts together).
and as far as me not knowing that any of these things will happen, the same can be said of your little situation you present.
you do not KNOW what that person breaking into your house intends to do, and I'd rather not gamble with my life.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2005-11-17 18:57:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2005-11-16 11:27:21 (#)
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There was a theory I heard that effective gun control would be making it mandatory for everyone to own a gun and learn how to use it properly, that way no one has the upper hand.
Ted Nugent's idea of gun control is being able to hit the same target 5 times in a row.
Anything, whether it was designed to or not, can be used as a weapon. A bat, brick, knife, shoelace, radio, glass jar, whatever. After they introduced a zero-tolerance policy in high school 10 years ago, I was no longer allowed to wear a necklace made from bike chain and was considered a weapon. Never mind the fact that it took forever to get off. "You just wait there until I get this chain off! (dammit) You're going to be sorry! (come on, come off). You're getting such a beating!"
No matter if guns are legal, illegal or outright banned, people will be able to access guns. And even if every gun on the face of the planet was destroyed, people will find a way to kill each other.
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Actually, Susie's and Rad's responses deserve a +2. I agree with the above point. My wife has some Irish relatives who can make guns out of tin cans and some chewing gum. Once the recipe for black powder was out there, controlling it was pretty much a lost cause.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2005-11-17 17:16:33 EST (#)
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If MC Escher ever wrote a post, I bet it would look something like this.
Do I agree? Do I disagree? Do I think government agents should be hired and paid to search my home to make sure my shotgun's stock is properly polished?
All I'm left with is this:
Guns don't kill people. People kill guns.
Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2005-11-17 15:36:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:02:00 (#)
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The only function of a gun is to kill.
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the only function of a gun is to fire a projectile at speed.
the intent of the person firing the gun is what kills.
when I shoot skeet, I intend to destroy some clay targets.
When I target shoot, I intend to put holes in paper.
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Amen
On a completely unrelated note, I live near the NRA headquarters (i'm not a member those guys are fanatics, I just do my shooting there.) I got to fire an assault rifle, it was a vepr, god damn those are fun to shoot.
Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2005-11-17 14:19:49 EST (#)
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"So... MickGinny... whats the point of having the gun?"
I own them just in case the redcoats start marching through my hamlet.
Why does there have to be a point? What point would really be valid to someone who opposes owning guns? If you must know I use my guns to open tin cans, knock frisbees off my roof, and to perform other domestic chores.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-17 13:02:24 EST (#)
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People are out committing property crimes to get the funds for a firearm. Citizens are being victimized on a much higher level; armed thugs know their percentages are better that they have the only gun at the scene of their crime. Firearm related murder rates will go down, but all other crime will rise sharply.
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Rad, that is not a well-reasonned argument. You do not know that any of those things would happen.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2005-11-17 12:03:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 15:44:33 (#)
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plus guns are incredibly fun for target shooting, same with bows. and hunting is great. i like the idea of not only military and police personnel being able to carry firearms.
yay second amendment. i'd probably at least whine if they took my rifle away.
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Why don't you like the idea of only professionals using professional weapons?
If you hunt, then fair enough I guess (hunting is not my thing) - however, could that rifle not be stored, unloaded, and only taken out for when you just gotta nail that deer for food (the supermarket being inconvenient after all ;).
2nd amendment? I thought it was 4th - apologies my Yank Brothers.
However, 'fun' is not really an acceptable reason for having a dangerous weapon. I mean explosives are 'fun' - but I don't think we should teach people about the safe ways to use C4 - leave it to the pros.
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well lots of people do dangerous things for fun. shit the way most people drive is dangerous. and i do keep my rifle stored and unloaded even though i have no risk of really anyone picking it up and blowing their own or anyone else's brains out. and it's a .22, it's not c4, it's not an automatic, it's good for killing rabbits and turkey with actually, not deer. wild food tastes much better, and as far as i know most grocery stores don't even carry farm rabbit or deer meat so the supermarket is inconvenient. and i'm just not buying thumper from a pet store to slice his throat and skin him in my sink. pet store rabbits don't taste good either from what i've heard, although i have yet to want to go down that road.
and, although i'm not a down home southern redneck rebel anti-federal government white power nut case or anything. history shows that sometimes governments are corrupt. i don't like the idea of any one side having all the weapons ever. and although i think i'm personally very safe in america from my government being TOO stupid, i like the just in case ideas, just like i have a first aid kit in my jeep. just in case something goes wrong. it's just nice to know i have my own protection, and considering i'm more accurate than at least a few "professionals" i know, it's not like it really matters if they have the guns if they can't hit the target before the target can do whatever it was it was going to do.
Submitted by Bellebrown (user info) at 2005-11-17 11:01:13 EST (#)
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"I own knives and various poisons, blunt tools, rope, an ornery dog, strong throttling hands, and various other implements of murder, but I have never used them. "
So... MickGinny... whats the point of having the gun?
You've got knives to cut vegetables.
You've got poisons to kills rats, or maybe just clean your house...
You've got blunt tools because you bought new tools, but you're scared they'll break on you and you won't have a back up... or you're lazy and you haven't gotten them sharpened.
You've got rope to make a swing in your back garden, so you can dream away the hours pretending to a 12 year old girl in the 1800's.
You've got strong throttling hands to pleasure yourself manually and to give the finger to people that make fun of your fantasies...
Now - you've got all these things, but you've never used to them to kill anyone... They've all got alternative uses apart from murder... but your gun is pretty useless if you're not going to shoot it at people.
THATS what they were designed for.
And don't come off all lordy, saying you hunt with them - because you can hunt with a catapult or an air rifle... and maybe a dog. Hey, I'd be more impressed if you went hunting with throwing stars - ninja styley.
Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2005-11-17 10:34:54 EST (#)
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"Can gun control work? Think of every time you've been angry enough to want to kill somebody, and at the time, had you had a gun, you might have shot the person."
I want to kill people with disturbing regularity. I have in fact been falsely accused of murder. I generally hate people uhhhhhhhhhh, in general. Strange thing is; I have always owned guns but never carried out my homicidal thoughts.
I have always owned a motor vehicle, but have never run my enemies down.
I own knives and various poisons, blunt tools, rope, an ornery dog, strong throttling hands, and various other implements of murder, but I have never used them.
I disagree with most of what you say here. With the exception of implementing reasonable requirements to purchasing a gun. Like an IQ test. That is not a bad idea...however I am not sure if I want angry retards pissed off at society for forbidding them ownership of an assault rifle buying illegal guns... but then again they are probably too stupid to seek out a source for illegal guns.
Anyway, -2
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-17 10:14:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by Bellebrown (user info) at 2005-11-17 10:04:53 (#)
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Oh God... that is one really poor thief...
You'd not get much for a stolen VCR maybe - they could swap it for a can of pepsi.
Either that or he's really stupid, and should be shot to prevent him contaminating the gene pool.
On a more serious note though - the whole issue of the right to bear arms is odd to me. Yes, it was put in place - but I thought the whole point of your constitution was that you could change it...
And if you've now found that the majority of your brave, intelligent men have all been shot and killed and you've left your gene pool with the cowardly jizz bags who aren't even smart enough to figure out that there is a much replacement for VHS, then perhaps you should remove that right.
Hey, if I give a kid a toy and he hurts himself with it - I take it away...
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Post something woman!
Submitted by Bellebrown (user info) at 2005-11-17 10:04:53 EST (#)
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Oh God... that is one really poor thief...
You'd not get much for a stolen VCR maybe - they could swap it for a can of pepsi.
Either that or he's really stupid, and should be shot to prevent him contaminating the gene pool.
On a more serious note though - the whole issue of the right to bear arms is odd to me. Yes, it was put in place - but I thought the whole point of your constitution was that you could change it...
And if you've now found that the majority of your brave, intelligent men have all been shot and killed and you've left your gene pool with the cowardly jizz bags who aren't even smart enough to figure out that there is a much replacement for VHS, then perhaps you should remove that right.
Hey, if I give a kid a toy and he hurts himself with it - I take it away...
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2005-11-17 09:50:26 EST (#)
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THIS is what kills folks: http://www.ubersite.com/m/75556
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-17 09:35:05 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/66608
a well reasoned argument.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-17 08:36:07 EST (#)
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You can`t say that my arguing skills are non-existant. I made a point, and argued it. It`s those of you who just leave -2 GUNS ROCK YOU CANT ARGUE WITH ME YOURE DUMB who have no reasoning skills. Show me your incredible skills by proving me wrong.
Pff. Skills.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-17 06:43:40 EST (#)
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Well I'm a name and not a number.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-17 02:58:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-11-16 19:13:58 (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:27:54 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:25:58 (#)
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tasers probably.
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Now we're getting somewhere, you see I must say I'd feel much more secure in my home if I was allowed a taser or something. I'm no ninja...
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STOP SAYING THAT
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I AM NOT A NINJA! I AM A FREE MAN!
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2005-11-17 02:16:03 EST (#)
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this is probably one of the most horrendously reasoned posts I've ever seen
Submitted by Bob_Dole (user info) at 2005-11-17 00:14:41 EST (#)
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i need a gun... to shoot you.
wait, i'm willing to bet without looking 40 people already said that.
-2 DIE via gunshot.
Submitted by ThineJericho (user info) at 2005-11-16 21:53:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-11-16 19:15:19 (#)
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your arguing skills are absolutely non-existant.
Submitted by Malachewaii (user info) at 2005-11-16 19:27:36 EST (#)
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One, it isn't always black and white. You can't just up and move at the drop of a hat because your neighborhood is dangerous. Besides, these days, rapist, kidnappers, murderers, and theives prey on people who live in the better neighborhoods.. so it really doesn't matter where you live, anymore.
Secondly, a gun owner isn't a threat to you or your family unless you're doing something that deserves being shot at.
Your points are weak, there's not really an argument here.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2005-11-16 19:15:19 EST (#)
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your arguing skills are absolutely non-existant.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-11-16 19:13:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:27:54 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:25:58 (#)
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tasers probably.
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Now we're getting somewhere, you see I must say I'd feel much more secure in my home if I was allowed a taser or something. I'm no ninja...
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STOP SAYING THAT
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-11-16 19:04:06 EST (#)
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guns don't kill people, bullets do
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 18:32:51 EST (#)
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and if they don't then you just shoot them and they crap themselves
much better than you shoot them, they die and then they crap themselves There's someone left at the end to clean up the mess.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 18:15:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2005-11-16 18:02:05 (#)
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herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 12:50:32 (#)
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Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:58:35 (#)
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Stupid people with guns are hilarious.
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Yeah, because the guy working the late shift at the 7-11 thinks it's real fucking funny to stare into the barrel of a pistol.
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People who work the late shift at 7-11 are hilarious.
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See now I sort of agree with Loren here. But don't you think the same effect could be achieved with a tazer? And man they'd DEFINITELY shit themselves then.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2005-11-16 18:02:05 EST (#)
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herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 12:50:32 (#)
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Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:58:35 (#)
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Stupid people with guns are hilarious.
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Yeah, because the guy working the late shift at the 7-11 thinks it's real fucking funny to stare into the barrel of a pistol.
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People who work the late shift at 7-11 are hilarious.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 17:52:28 EST (#)
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boomstick
http://www.ubersite.com/m/51882
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 17:50:00 EST (#)
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broomstick?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 17:47:15 EST (#)
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by bleeding gun I mean boomstick.
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:25:58 (#)
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tasers probably.
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Now we're getting somewhere, you see I must say I'd feel much more secure in my home if I was allowed a taser or something. I'm no ninja so I don't want a weapon that can easily be taken of me by someone who knows what they're doing but nor do I want to kill anyone.
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unfortunately taser guns are single shot weapons so if you miss, or there is more than one attacker, you are assed out.
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Bean bag gun then. Or some other alternative. Whatever, just not a bleeding gun.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 17:39:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:27:54 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:25:58 (#)
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tasers probably.
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Now we're getting somewhere, you see I must say I'd feel much more secure in my home if I was allowed a taser or something. I'm no ninja so I don't want a weapon that can easily be taken of me by someone who knows what they're doing but nor do I want to kill anyone.
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unfortunately taser guns are single shot weapons so if you miss, or there is more than one attacker, you are assed out.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 17:34:52 EST (#)
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I say it again, nobody needs a gun. Certainly not an AK-47. Go play some counter strike to relieve your G.I. Joe need to shoot stuff with automatic weapons.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 16:29:01 EST (#)
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Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2005-11-16 16:18:39 (#)
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In britain, shotguns are still legal - with a license. Because they are generally too unwieldy to use except in defence of a position (yes I know sawn offs exist - but they trade power and accuracy). While a handgun is concealable.
And why does anyone need an assault rifle?
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Assault rifle? I didn't mention an assault rifle...?
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What I meant was, why make it easy on gun nuts? Let them try and conceal a shotgun if they want - certainly don't give them Uzi 9mms or similar weapons.
I find it staggering that you can go and buy a military quality weapon.
Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2005-11-16 16:18:39 EST (#)
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In britain, shotguns are still legal - with a license. Because they are generally too unwieldy to use except in defence of a position (yes I know sawn offs exist - but they trade power and accuracy). While a handgun is concealable.
And why does anyone need an assault rifle?
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Assault rifle? I didn't mention an assault rifle...?
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 15:44:33 EST (#)
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plus guns are incredibly fun for target shooting, same with bows. and hunting is great. i like the idea of not only military and police personnel being able to carry firearms.
yay second amendment. i'd probably at least whine if they took my rifle away.
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Why don't you like the idea of only professionals using professional weapons?
If you hunt, then fair enough I guess (hunting is not my thing) - however, could that rifle not be stored, unloaded, and only taken out for when you just gotta nail that deer for food (the supermarket being inconvenient after all ;).
2nd amendment? I thought it was 4th - apologies my Yank Brothers.
However, 'fun' is not really an acceptable reason for having a dangerous weapon. I mean explosives are 'fun' - but I don't think we should teach people about the safe ways to use C4 - leave it to the pros.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2005-11-16 15:39:21 EST (#)
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well actually if you're a responsible gun owner without children then you don't need to lock your guns up. any adult living alone can leave a loaded rifle on their bedside table every night and that's not irresponsible that's just dependent on circumstances. not really a danger to your family unless they're into b&e and burglary. i saw something on cnn a week or so ago on border control and they were interviewing two texans ( yeah, yeah i know) and one of them had a neighbor whose family witnessed someone being raped and murdered within like 300 feet of their front door. this wasn't the ghetto, this was a small town that just happened to be near the border of mexico. so finding a safe place to raise children isn't really all dependent on location because shitty people are everywhere and transient anybodies can do stuff like that. maybe in some places a gun not only makes people just feel safer but makes them actually safer. guns should be restricted from convicted felons and background checks should be done for every piece, but advocating weapons safety is a better idea. it's like safe sex, you can teach/promote abstinence, but people should probably know how to do what they're doing anyway safely and properly.
plus guns are incredibly fun for target shooting, same with bows. and hunting is great. i like the idea of not only military and police personnel being able to carry firearms.
yay second amendment. i'd probably at least whine if they took my rifle away.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 15:18:05 EST (#)
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herbman - Yes indeed criminals would use guns if they were banned. If they don't care that murder is illegal, then what will they care if they're using an illegal weapon too? And to ban all guns except hunting rifles (so long as they are used for hunting) is a nice idea, but would be impossible to enforce. OK, you can't get a glock easily, but you can get a .22 hunting rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun with deershot. Do you think someone intent on killing someone or robbing a store is going to stop and think "Gee, I really want to kill him, but this .22 is for hunting purposes only." Do you think the guy selling the hunting rifles is going to say "Now, don't you go killing people with this." With a straight face and expect that every one of his customers is going to heed his advice?
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In britain, shotguns are still legal - with a license. Because they are generally too unwieldy to use except in defence of a position (yes I know sawn offs exist - but they trade power and accuracy). While a handgun is concealable.
And why does anyone need an assault rifle?
Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2005-11-16 14:20:33 EST (#)
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Berty - I didn't miss the point. I heard it and disagree with it. I understand that a screwdriver is for putting in screws to hang a picture, but it can also be used as an instrument of death should one decide to put it in someone's jugular. A kettle is used for boiling water for tea, but can be quite an effective weapon should you smash someone's head in with it. A wheelbarrow...well, unless you're quite strong is not a good weapon of choice. But it is good for transporting the body. I get what you're saying, but some people don't use things for their original design purpose. Now if someone's a real idiot, they could use a gun to hammer a nail. It's not what it was designed for, but it can be done.
herbman - Yes indeed criminals would use guns if they were banned. If they don't care that murder is illegal, then what will they care if they're using an illegal weapon too? And to ban all guns except hunting rifles (so long as they are used for hunting) is a nice idea, but would be impossible to enforce. OK, you can't get a glock easily, but you can get a .22 hunting rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun with deershot. Do you think someone intent on killing someone or robbing a store is going to stop and think "Gee, I really want to kill him, but this .22 is for hunting purposes only." Do you think the guy selling the hunting rifles is going to say "Now, don't you go killing people with this." With a straight face and expect that every one of his customers is going to heed his advice?
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 13:00:18 EST (#)
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You have to be really dedicated to a cause to want to pursue illegal gun purchase. Most would-be crinimals would not use guns if guns were banned. And I don't think all guns should be entirely banned. I think hunting rifles are fine, as long as they are used for hunting.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 12:50:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:58:35 (#)
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Stupid people with guns are hilarious.
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Yeah, because the guy working the late shift at the 7-11 thinks it's real fucking funny to stare into the barrel of a pistol.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 12:49:05 EST (#)
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It spells foonbo.
Submitted by Foonbo (user info) at 2005-11-16 11:51:11 EST (#)
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Give me an "M"--Give me an "O"--Give me an "R"--Give me... another "O"--Give me an "N"! What's that spell?!
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 11:38:20 EST (#)
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Susie, you may have missed the point. It's a little odd because you rather nailed the point earlier in your comment. A gun is a weapon. It is designed to do violence.
Now, we're going to play a little game. One of the following things is not like the others, identify which one:
1) a screwdriver
2) a wheelbarrow
3) a 'stilleto' dagger
4) a kettle
All of the above can be used to hurt people, although some may be more effective than others.
Here's a hint: what is each items purpose?
Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2005-11-16 11:27:21 EST (#)
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There was a theory I heard that effective gun control would be making it mandatory for everyone to own a gun and learn how to use it properly, that way no one has the upper hand.
Ted Nugent's idea of gun control is being able to hit the same target 5 times in a row.
Anything, whether it was designed to or not, can be used as a weapon. A bat, brick, knife, shoelace, radio, glass jar, whatever. After they introduced a zero-tolerance policy in high school 10 years ago, I was no longer allowed to wear a necklace made from bike chain and was considered a weapon. Never mind the fact that it took forever to get off. "You just wait there until I get this chain off! (dammit) You're going to be sorry! (come on, come off). You're getting such a beating!"
No matter if guns are legal, illegal or outright banned, people will be able to access guns. And even if every gun on the face of the planet was destroyed, people will find a way to kill each other.
Submitted by miss_tila (user info) at 2005-11-16 11:26:43 EST (#)
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Maybe it's just bitterness... or because I didn't have a
coffee...
Until your mother, father, sister, or in my case, brother
are are ripped apart by bullets I don't your
opinion is as educated as it should be.
I'm not saying you have to have lost a love one
in order to have an opinion.. just a truley thoughtout one.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:58:35 EST (#)
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Stupid people with guns are hilarious.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:55:08 EST (#)
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Miss tila, there is no need to take such a comment personally. I was merely pointing out that what we are discussing is a social issue and that bringing personal feelings into the discussion will only muddy the persuit of truth.
Indeed having such a personal, and emotive, experience does bias your opinion.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:53:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by miss_tila (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:49:09 (#)
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I was wondering because I was for the protection of gun
rights until I lost a loved one. Now, I don't feel the same.
I was just asking a question.
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It is a tragedy that it should take such an event to change your mind. I mean it is terrible that they should have died. And also that it should take such an event to make someone decide that guns really *do* make it easier to kill people.
Submitted by miss_tila (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:50:23 EST (#)
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Now I know why all the people I used to talk to
here left!
Submitted by miss_tila (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:49:09 EST (#)
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I was wondering because I was for the protection of gun
rights until I lost a loved one. Now, I don't feel the same.
I was just asking a question.
My mistake. I should have stuck to reading the post and avoiding
uber shitheads. It won't happen again.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:38:16 EST (#)
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Submitted by miss_tila (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:36:27 (#)
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For all the people who justify gun ownership in this country
a sincere question....
Have you lost any to gun violence?
Does it have any bearing on your opinion?
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I'm afraid you've basically just said:
Have you lost anyone to gun violence?
Does my previous question have any bearing on the discussion?
Probably not because this is a social issue and not a personal issue.
Submitted by miss_tila (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:36:27 EST (#)
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For all the people who justify gun ownership in this country
a sincere question....
Have you lost any to gun violence?
Does it have any bearing on your opinion?
Submitted by miss_tila (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:34:10 EST (#)
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The citizens of this country are off-ing eachother
in record numbers. The fact is you are more likely to get shot with
your own gun, than you are using it for protection.
There are plenty of people who have allow guns in
their house, that is, until little Billy blow his
friends head off.
What if the guy coming in the house at 2am doesn't have
a gun. Here in MA, if you shoot and kill him, it's called
1st Degree MANSLAUGHTER.
I listen to all the arguments, But no matter how I look at it I just don't beleive in gun ownership.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:29:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:24:07 (#)
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Erm, the criminals with guns would find it more difficult to own guns.
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justify this statement.
and explain how having criminals being the only members of society with guns makes us safer.
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Instead of walking into any gun shop, they would have to get access to them illegally. This would make it more difficult I imagine than saying "grocery shopping, bread, milk, firearm." I'm in the UK, if I wanted to get a gun, I'd have to find someone prepared to sell me a gun knowing there are penalties on this sale.
Safer - all round reduction in weapons. Increased reliance on non-lethal defence, gas, stunning lights/sound.
Why are you making it easy for a desperate person to take up arms and go rob a grocery store? This seems like a 'if they have guns, we must have guns to in order to stop them.'
We should be working on removing the guns from the criminals, not giving MORE weapons to all and sundry.
The 4th ammendment (I think that's the right one - apologies if not) is an outdated article which was put in to protect the American people from potential English invasion.
I *promise* we don't want to invade. We're not waiting patiently for you to give up guns so that we can invade safely.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:27:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:25:58 (#)
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tasers probably.
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Now we're getting somewhere, you see I must say I'd feel much more secure in my home if I was allowed a taser or something. I'm no ninja so I don't want a weapon that can easily be taken of me by someone who knows what they're doing but nor do I want to kill anyone.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:26:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:22:32 (#)
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Berty, absolutely. I love less than lethal.
Less paperwork involved, and you get to fuck with your would-be assailiant.
1. I would support a non-violent gunless society if I thought it was possible for human beings to get along over the long term.
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Well there's your answer then, have an armistice on all these crazy bang bang guns and give people non lethal alternatives in exchange, stop the selling of real firearms and promote the idea of baricading yourself in your room if you hear an intruder.
Job done. You'll see gun crime levels like what we've got in the UK: i.e. very low.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:25:58 EST (#)
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tasers probably.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:24:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:22:32 (#)
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Berty, absolutely. I love less than lethal.
Less paperwork involved, and you get to fuck with your would-be assailiant.
1. I would support a non-violent gunless society if I thought it was possible for human beings to get along over the long term.
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ok, so ban guns and allow sales of CS gas?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:24:07 EST (#)
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Erm, the criminals with guns would find it more difficult to own guns.
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justify this statement.
and explain how having criminals being the only members of society with guns makes us safer.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:23:43 EST (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:20:15 (#)
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And yes, absolutely, certain drugs should be legalized. Marijuana for one.
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Ok - I meant hard drugs. I don't see just because people do, it makes it something that we should condone.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:22:32 EST (#)
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Berty, absolutely. I love less than lethal.
Less paperwork involved, and you get to fuck with your would-be assailiant.
1. I would support a non-violent gunless society if I thought it was possible for human beings to get along over the long term.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:22:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:18:30 (#)
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oh plz quit pwning me with your utopian ideals.
what do you people actually think would happen if amerikkka banned private firearm ownership?
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Erm, the criminals with guns would find it more difficult to own guns.
Gun Hobbyists would be prevented from pursuing their hobby.
And it would be more difficult for any person to get access to a gun.
Probably crimes of passion where someone just pulls a gun on a cheating spouse etc would go down in severity.
Less people would ZZ Top themselves? (which member was it who blew part of his sack off?)
I'm sorry Gun Hobbyists/Hunters - a new pastime for you is in order. May I suggest building paper planes?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:20:27 EST (#)
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And you owning a gun does affect me. It affects me if I piss you off at the office and you come in to work the next day with the handgun you always claimed to be for self defence.
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that would make me a criminal in that case. you have every right to be afraid of criminals.
PUNISH CRIMINALS NOT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS
and you are going to need to do better than a left wing lobbist website for credibility.
try looking up the federal statutes and posting a link to those.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:20:15 EST (#)
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And yes, absolutely, certain drugs should be legalized. Marijuana for one.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:19:35 EST (#)
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Like a beanbag gun or something?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:18:46 EST (#)
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Like I previously stated, I'd rather be in a position where I have every means avilable to me to stop a threat if it ever happens than be in a position where the threat has the upper hand.
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Fair enough, would you be happy with non lethal tools?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:18:30 EST (#)
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oh plz quit pwning me with your utopian ideals.
what do you people actually think would happen if amerikkka banned private firearm ownership?
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:18:10 EST (#)
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The little website there was to back up the fact that if I were an American citizen, I could walk into a gun store and walk out with an M-16 or an AK. To me, that seems absolutely ridiculous. And you owning a gun does affect me. It affects me if I piss you off at the office and you come in to work the next day with the handgun you always claimed to be for self defence.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:16:38 EST (#)
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So the argument seems to be that because criminals wont obey the law, you may as well not bother? So we should legalise drugs because people will use them anyway?
100% Hygiene is impossible to attain.
That doesn't mean I'll stop washing my hands after I have a shit.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:16:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:11:21 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:07:41 (#)
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and confronting burglars is possibly a culture thing as well.
we need to learn to accept that other people are different.
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I'm surprised that you of all people would advocate such recklass behaviour. If you're so worried about stuff like that put in a serious alarm system that lights the house up like a christmas tree. Put 'booby traps' that are just bright lights (not explosives, just halogen lamps) around your home. Confronting an unknown number of intruders of indeterminate motivation is silly, as you well know.
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there are ways around any security system.
Like I previously stated, I'd rather be in a position where I have every means avilable to me to stop a threat if it ever happens than be in a position where the threat has the upper hand.
Its not like I sit around my house all day cleaning my pistols praying for a chance to use them, like most people think gun owners do.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:13:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:10:31 (#)
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Rad, Brinks Home Security. Keep people from coming into your house in the first place.
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and your credibiliity takes a nosedive.
you'd rather a bunch of wannabe rent-a-cops slinging guns in your home looking for what set off your alarm and get shot in the process?
look, no security system is perfect. criminals will find a way around it.
now, I figure I am pro-choice. Give me the choice on whether I protect myself in the way I see fit.
you can make the choice not to.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:11:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:07:41 (#)
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and confronting burglars is possibly a culture thing as well.
we need to learn to accept that other people are different.
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I'm surprised that you of all people would advocate such recklass behaviour. If you're so worried about stuff like that put in a serious alarm system that lights the house up like a christmas tree. Put 'booby traps' that are just bright lights (not explosives, just halogen lamps) around your home. Confronting an unknown number of intruders of indeterminate motivation is silly, as you well know.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:10:34 EST (#)
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your little website there fails to make a difference between a criminal element and lawful citizens.
I move that the problem with guns falls more on criminals, more so with gang members.
how about you progressive thinking idealists worry more about locking offenders away instead of having the ACLU keep them out of prison instead of fucking with the rest of us who would like to enjoy our right to security without fear of government intervention.
progressive idealism my ass.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:10:31 EST (#)
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Rad, Brinks Home Security. Keep people from coming into your house in the first place.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:08:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:05:52 (#)
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and berty, its a culture thing. our criminals are slightly more deranged, psychotic, and are from a culture that encourages senseless violence and the slaughter of innocent people for personal gain.
I mean, this is amerikkka.
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Your criminals are no different to mine, but the culture issue is a good one. You monkey about with the constitution at your peril.
That is the only rational argument for having everyone tooled up with handheld killing machines. It's a pretty good one to, particularly in todays US political climate.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:07:41 EST (#)
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and confronting burglars is possibly a culture thing as well.
we need to learn to accept that other people are different.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:07:18 EST (#)
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http://www2.stopthenra.com/fiore/
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:05:52 EST (#)
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and berty, its a culture thing. our criminals are slightly more deranged, psychotic, and are from a culture that encourages senseless violence and the slaughter of innocent people for personal gain.
I mean, this is amerikkka.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:05:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2005-11-16 09:41:00 (#)
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I grew up with a hunter. My father has been hunting game since I was a child. There have been guns in my house my entire life. My father is a law biding gun owner who always has his arms locked away. He also gave my sister and me lessons on gun safety since a very early age. He taught us that guns are not toys and shouldn't be treated as such. He also put a fear, so to speak, in us about them. So, we never went near them. You are 100% correct on this. Guns DON'T kill people. Stupid people kill people. If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns. Drugs are illegal yet people who want them still manage to get them. Hypothetically now, if guns were in fact outlawed people would still manage to find a way to kill one another, be it with a knife, a brick to the head, a baseball bat...you get my point. Are we going to make all objects that could kill one another illegal?
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Tiger, it's not the point whether or not you are a responsible person, it doesn't matter if all people are (at heart) responsible people. At the end of the day we're just people, capable of errors in judgement and general failiure.
The difference between a baseball bat, a brick or even a kitchen knife is that these items are not designed to kill people. I cannot emphasise the word kill strongly enough. If I were under the delusion that I am some kind of badass and attempted to confront a burgarlar in my home, I would wish to do so with a non lethal weapon. A taser perhaps or a cs gas canister. A gun is deadly force. If I'm confronting an intruder in my kitchen I do not need a weapon that is accurate up to 50 yards.
The entire argument of firearms for home defence is ludicrous and flawed. Strong words for me, as you know.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:04:14 EST (#)
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I am for reals done with this now. I will not bend to your idealistic viewpoint because I am a realist.
You won't acknowledge mine because you have blinders on.
lets just leave it at that.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:02:25 EST (#)
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and in a deadly force situation, I intend to stop a threat.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 10:02:00 EST (#)
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The only function of a gun is to kill.
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the only function of a gun is to fire a projectile at speed.
the intent of the person firing the gun is what kills.
when I shoot skeet, I intend to destroy some clay targets.
When I target shoot, I intend to put holes in paper.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 09:59:46 EST (#)
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An 18 year old can walk into a gun shop and walk out with an M-16. Why?
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you are showing some lack of research with this statement.
your credibility is at stake.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 09:59:00 EST (#)
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any argument for gun control is moot.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/66608
1. yes, in a perfect world I would like for everyone to just hold hands and give each other flowers.
2. no, the world is not perfect, guns exist, and we are just going to have to learn to live with that.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/66608
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 09:50:28 EST (#)
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Not all knives are designed to kill, baseball bats certainly aren't, and neither are bricks. The only function of a gun is to kill. It's not the responsible gun owners I'm worried about, because I have family that hunt too, but a legal gun owner does not make a responsible gun owner. Kids as young as 13 can buy an AK-47 at gun shows. An 18 year old can walk into a gun shop and walk out with an M-16. Why?
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2005-11-16 09:41:00 EST (#)
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I grew up with a hunter. My father has been hunting game since I was a child. There have been guns in my house my entire life. My father is a law biding gun owner who always has his arms locked away. He also gave my sister and me lessons on gun safety since a very early age. He taught us that guns are not toys and shouldn't be treated as such. He also put a fear, so to speak, in us about them. So, we never went near them. You are 100% correct on this. Guns DON'T kill people. Stupid people kill people. If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns. Drugs are illegal yet people who want them still manage to get them. Hypothetically now, if guns were in fact outlawed people would still manage to find a way to kill one another, be it with a knife, a brick to the head, a baseball bat...you get my point. Are we going to make all objects that could kill one another illegal?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 09:36:09 EST (#)
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herbman, whether criminals are angels or monsters is not a part of the issue. You've gotten distracted.
Having lethal weapons legalised and openly sold is dangerous, any fool can see that. The only real argument against gun control is that it's in the constitution. You do not fuck around with the constitution. It's mostly very good and you don't want to make it easier for the bastards to fuck with it.
It's a rather compelling argument too.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 09:17:05 EST (#)
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So, rad, only scum are dragged into theft, and breaking and entering? The law in its infinite Majesty,' Anatole France once observed, 'prohibits rich and poor alike from stealing bread & sleeping under bridges.'
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 08:55:56 EST (#)
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Rad, we both know that you'd be far better off barricading yourself in your room than actually confronting an intruder.
You are not Dirty Harry. You're a slightly pudgy bloke called Brian.
Submitted by fluff (user info) at 2005-11-16 08:47:25 EST (#)
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True.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 08:23:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 06:42:28 (#)
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Rad, when have you ever had to use your gun? depends on your definition of 'use'
You're a cop, right? sorta kinda perhaps
So outside of your job, has your life ever beent threatened? yes
And if someone is not breaking into your house to steal your VCR, then what do they want? immaterial. The point is you have a person entering your home in order to commit a felony. If you are at home at the time, the chances that the suspect will hurt or kill you in order to avoid getting caught and spending time in prison are extraordinary. Furthermore, I think you are giving too much credit on the part of the criminal to think rationally and reasonably, both of which are elements that if he was in possesssion of he probably wouldnt be committing crime.
Also, have you considered that the person entering into your home may want to take the opportunity to, while stealing the vcr, would like a go at you or your wife or your kids? I mean, these scum who do these things have no real concept of conscience, and are into the whole instant gratification thing. I have a responsibility to myself, my wife, and my kids to protect them in any situation that may occur, and it is better to own a gun and never have to stop a threat with it than to need to stop a threat and not have it.
All this being said, there are places in the world you can go live if you are afraid of gun owners. This is kinda like Katrina. If you perceive a disaster coming your way, get the fuck out and go to high ground.
Also, I am taking bets right now that violent crime in San Francisco increases because of the citywide ban on legal gun owners.
I mean, you take away the legal gun owners, what does that leave you?
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 08:12:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 06:42:28 (#)
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"you mean prepare for an overriding argument that nullifies any point you thought you might have had?"
You mean this overriding argument? "you are a bloody fucking moron."
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spin blah blah
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 08:10:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2005-11-16 04:35:19 (#)
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Ok, I'm interested Rad, how do guns cause society to function at a higher level, bringing greater quality of living to everyone?
No really.
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Its simple really.
GUns make killing whiny cocksuckers a lot easier.
sheesh
Submitted by chmoXzero (user info) at 2005-11-16 08:05:57 EST (#)
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guns don't kill people dangerous minorities do
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2005-11-16 07:53:21 EST (#)
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I have rifles and shotguns and pistols because I enjoy hunting and target shooting. Hobbies, y'see. Don't NEED them, just like to use them as a hobby.
I carry a stainless steel Colt .380 in public, concealed, for self-defense. Even have a license to do so. Used it once, also in self- and girlfriend-defense. Don't NEED it, but just because I don't run too fast and didn't get past red belt in Taikwondo class doesn't mean I have to accept being killed by some punk who values a $20 worth of crack more than my life.
You don't want to have guns around - don't. It's a free country. But d'jever see "A Clockwork Orange"? That movie would have been quite short if the old guy in the tunnel had been in posession of a pistol and the wherewithal to properly use it when he was attacked.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-11-16 07:12:13 EST (#)
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"Rap is more deadly than fucking kung fu" is one of the greatest lyrics ever.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-11-16 07:10:58 EST (#)
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My balls itch.
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 06:42:28 EST (#)
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Rad, when have you ever had to use your gun? You're a cop, right? So outside of your job, has your life ever beent threatened? And if someone is not breaking into your house to steal your VCR, then what do they want?
"you mean prepare for an overriding argument that nullifies any point you thought you might have had?"
You mean this overriding argument? "you are a bloody fucking moron."
Submitted by AUSSIE_CHICK (user info) at 2005-11-16 05:05:40 EST (#)
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Gun's don't kill people...I kill people.
Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2005-11-16 05:01:28 EST (#)
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I saw them twice at Glastonbury and they smash it.
Guns are great fun but there is absolutly no reason for anyone to have them at all ever.
Submitted by yuvalset (user info) at 2005-11-16 05:00:35 EST (#)
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Yes. Now of course this is nonsense because not everybody lives in the city and if you live in a rural area you need a gun to protect yourself from wolves, bears, mountain lions ( if there are any of those there), wild dogs, and also against a robber or illegal immigrant or just for hunting and stuff. And secondly, even if you live in the city there are places in which a gun could help you, like drugs & violence-infested areas in which there's not much police presence. And the thing about the IQ, let me tell you, stupidity has little to do with IQ. But stupidity has little to do with killing a person with a gun on purpose, so there was no point to this part anyway.
But I'll give you a +2 for invoking this discussion.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 04:55:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2005-11-16 04:47:00 (#)
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Artist: Goldie Lookin' Chain
Song: Guns Don't Kill People Rappers Do
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Saw them recently - they're actually very smart people playing at being daft taffs. I am of the opinion that the right to bear arms in certain countries is an anachronism. Yes, the human has to pull the trigger, but why make it easy to kill someone?
Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2005-11-16 04:47:00 EST (#)
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Artist: Goldie Lookin' Chain
Song: Guns Don't Kill People Rappers Do
Lyrics:
Come out with your hands on your head
Turn the rap music off and step away from the stereo
Put the rap album down,
leave MC Hammer alone - turn it off
What?
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Ask any politician and he'll tell you it's true
It's a fact, music makes you violent
Like Michael Jackson telling little Timmy to be silent
You don't believe me, here's my hype
Offer me the record and I'll show you the type
Of criminal this rap shit is breeding
It's a fact that MC Hammer left me bleeding
Vanilla Ice made my mother say, FUCK!
If i stuck with 'UB40' then i woulda been in love
But I didn't, I got involved
Cypress fucking Hill taught me to make a fucking bomb
So I started, I bought another tape
The mob boys snapped me, my cock and balls ache
So remember kids till the head doubles up
Guns don't kill people, it's just rap
[Chorus]
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Summon the police
Woop Woop Woop
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Summon the police
Woop Woop Woop
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
I seen it in a documentary on BBC 2
Shot to death outside Hyper Value
Guns blazing like Michael Caine in Zulu
Gunners statistics are sometimes misleading
The type of criminal rap is breeding
Shot in the chest no one here stopped the bleeding
2-4 to base over, are you receiving?
Remember rap tracks in '87
scott the lots up in hip-hop heaven
Biggie and Tupac R.I.P.
Even Jam Master Jay's in the cemetery
[Chorus]
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Summon the police
Woop Woop Woop
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Summon the police
Woop Woop Woop
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
I'm a fucking rapper and I might kill you
As a rapper I'm teachin' you a lesson
AK-47 to Smith and Weston
say no, just like Zammo
Bulletproof vest, two guns and ammo
Hip-Hop gangsta tripping
Even Eminem's into pistol whipping
Solid Crew told we're the ones
P. Diddy, J. Lo in a nightclub with a gun
Heard Snoop Dogg now wants to bust a cap
Guns don't kill people, it's just rap
One, two - yo, face my shoe
My name's Mike Balls and I'm coming through
Guns crimes, stabbin' and burgalarization
Is on the rise all across the nation
The safety's off and the pistol's aimed
The Yardies and the Mafia always get blamed
Politician's ashamed, and they haven't got a clue
Rap is more deadly than fucking kung-fu
[Chorus]
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Summon the police
Woop Woop Woop
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Summon the police
Woop Woop Woop
Guns don't kill people, wrappers do
From Bristol Zoo to B&Q
I wanna rap, I wanna rhyme
Heard it in a song, now I'm into gun crime
It's a sign of the times like Prince changing his name
You gotta have a shooter to be in the rap game
Like 'Michael Lown' about to stop
Guns don't kill people, it's just rap
[Chorus]
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Summon the police
Woop Woop Woop
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
Summon the police
Woop Woop Woop
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2005-11-16 04:35:19 EST (#)
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Ok, I'm interested Rad, how do guns cause society to function at a higher level, bringing greater quality of living to everyone?
No really.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 04:35:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:49:14 (#)
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tell me a reason you NEED a car.
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For running people down. And for somewhere to hang my furry dice. (I typed that 'Fury Dice' at first, and now I really want some - whatever they are.)
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2005-11-16 04:33:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by crownofsuns (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:56:22 (#)
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Guns don't kill people.....It's just the....noise they make..
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Izzard is right.
Apart from that, this argument was put better by Glenn A Larson in Quincy M.E.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 03:19:11 EST (#)
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either way, I'm already blue in the face about this.
-2 DIE
do an abortion post next time.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 03:18:03 EST (#)
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I mean, I can understand companies and government needing motor vehicles in order to function and drive up our way of life, but individually operating a motor vehicle is a convienence.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 03:16:21 EST (#)
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same could be said about guns, with different justifications.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-11-16 03:08:36 EST (#)
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Without a car, it is impossible for society as a whole to function at a level which has delivered us a high standard of living.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:49:14 EST (#)
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tell me a reason you NEED a car.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:48:46 EST (#)
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blame transference. People have been killing each other forever, even before guns were invented. I know, people kill each other by running into them with cars. You see anyone bitching about how we need to ban cars?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:47:09 EST (#)
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and thats all well and good; unfortunately for them it is currently a right and will continue to be so until/unless an amendment to the constitution is passed. Which won't happen.
You see, what people aren't doing is thinking things through. What makes a person:
1. kill a person in cold blood?
2. put themselves in a position where they kill somebody?
3. think it is okay to kill somebody?
theres an entire cultural issue that needs to be addressed here, and regulating firearms will never do it. I personally blame television.
Television has killed more people than all the guns put together.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:24:55 EST (#)
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That argument doesn't nullify shit, Rad. People for gun control believe that shouldn't be a right.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:23:55 EST (#)
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oh, and one more thing.
nigger.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:23:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:33:24 (#)
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I agree, wholeheartedly.
"This may sound radical, but stupid people shouldn't have the right to a gun."
be prepared for the onsluaght of "OMFG!1 Wot AbouT teH RighT 2 KeEp and beAr aRmz??!!11OMG11!one"
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you mean prepare for an overriding argument that nullifies any point you thought you might have had?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:22:07 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:20:57 EST (#)
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And besides, anybody breaking into your house at 2 a.m. probably just wants to steal your VCR.
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you are a bloody fucking moron.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-11-16 02:20:00 EST (#)
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Now tell me, why do YOU need a gun?
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because these bullets I have don't really do anything if I don't have one.
Submitted by Saxon (user info) at 2005-11-16 00:52:37 EST (#)
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Guns dont kill people they change people, ive seen grown men salivate when handed a gun. That shit is scary.
Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-11-16 00:43:37 EST (#)
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Guns don't kill people. I do.
!10101011!!!!)!!LOLOL!!!!!
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-11-16 00:06:58 EST (#)
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............i think it was sarcasm...
Submitted by herbman (user info) at 2005-11-16 00:00:28 EST (#)
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Umm... How about that +2 then, Phallic?
Submitted by crownofsuns (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:56:22 EST (#)
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Guns don't kill people.....It's just the....noise they make..
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:41:14 EST (#)
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Actually, +2 for bringing this important but seldom-discussed topic into the public forum.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:33:24 EST (#)
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I agree, wholeheartedly.
"This may sound radical, but stupid people shouldn't have the right to a gun."
be prepared for the onsluaght of "OMFG!1 Wot AbouT teH RighT 2 KeEp and beAr aRmz??!!11OMG11!one"
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-11-15 23:32:35 EST (#)
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I think they should give blacks the vote.