Those damn Commies and flag burners (796 hits)
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Submitted by erosion_rules (View user info) at 2005-12-04 18:03:41 EST
I really sick of reading about anyone who isn't a Republican being listed as both a Commie and a flag burner...and I'm also sick of all Republicans being listed as rednecks...although it's closer to the truth than the previous statement. Party affiliation is what's wrong with America, not those "dirty hippie leftists" or the "rich right wing racist fucks".
Anyone who disagrees with Bush on these boards gets flamed as a Communist. Makes me wonder...do these people even know what a Communist really is? I'm sure you're actually thinking about fascism. Communism, TRUE communism, has never been effectively put in place by humans. But real communism can best be described by a pack of wolves, or other groups of animals. They do things for the good of the group, without constant selfish motives. What happens with most communist attempts is that people start taking advantage of the equality, and everyone starts doing less and less. Suddenly the government steps in and cracks down, and it turns into a fascist nation.
And the flag burning...who cares? It's fabric that happens to bear a symbol. Are they setting fire to the nation? No. They're basically throwing away their own money by burning the flag. They paid for it, and that money furthers the nation. So quit your bitching about symbolic hatred.
Am I going to defend the angry Republicans? No. They can do that themselves, since there are thousands more of them. You want to hear their defense? Read the angry reviews this gets.
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Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-03-13 10:48:03 EST (#)
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Here goes little HV to even out retallers.
Submitted by beatjunky (user info) at 2006-03-13 10:35:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-05 19:42:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-05 10:50:28 (#)
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But williamson, the whole thing with flag burning...are you not just using your opinion as fact? The flags do not mean these things to everyone. If I were to see someone burning a flag, I would think "What a waste of money. They could have used that on Spaghetti-os." Wheras you seem to think they are bringing down the entire nation with that flaming symbol. I am still stating my flag burning talk is about people outside a nation. When another country burns our flag, it's because they have a conflict with us, thus good reason to do so. And don't tell me America doesn't fight back on that sort of thing, because what group is most hated in the American media lately? That's right, Muslims. And over half of the nation STILL doesn't react well to Muslims in their society. It went on to the point where my last roommate, a Muslim, came outside to find all sorts of graffiti on her car, and the gas tank syphoned empty for three weeks running. All flag burning does is enrage the people who are more like you with their views, albeit much less rational, into doing horrible things to people who have nothing to do with the situation.
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Obviously burning a foreign flag is another thing entirely. And so is your point about anti-moslem retaliation. But to return to your original point:
"The flags do not mean these things to everyone."
These flags are internationally recognised symbols of the nation. The American flag means America. The Tongan flag means Tonga. The flag is the symbol of the nation and anybody desecrating the flag should know it. If you don't support a system or a government party than you burn the symbols of that system (ie. a crucifix or socialist star) or that party (a giant republican elephant). The national flag means the nation. It's something that 99.9% of the world recognises.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-12-05 18:51:04 EST (#)
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Steven Durel, Jr.
Submitted by simple_catalyst (user info) at 2005-12-05 11:07:41 EST (#)
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dueche.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-05 10:50:28 EST (#)
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But williamson, the whole thing with flag burning...are you not just using your opinion as fact? The flags do not mean these things to everyone. If I were to see someone burning a flag, I would think "What a waste of money. They could have used that on Spaghetti-os." Wheras you seem to think they are bringing down the entire nation with that flaming symbol. I am still stating my flag burning talk is about people outside a nation. When another country burns our flag, it's because they have a conflict with us, thus good reason to do so. And don't tell me America doesn't fight back on that sort of thing, because what group is most hated in the American media lately? That's right, Muslims. And over half of the nation STILL doesn't react well to Muslims in their society. It went on to the point where my last roommate, a Muslim, came outside to find all sorts of graffiti on her car, and the gas tank syphoned empty for three weeks running. All flag burning does is enrage the people who are more like you with their views, albeit much less rational, into doing horrible things to people who have nothing to do with the situation.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2005-12-05 09:56:07 EST (#)
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This needed a lot more 'ooomph' to work. You'd need to know a lot about your audience, it may have helped to fully flesh out your arguments (all of them) and incorporating them all into the post, ideally with a snappy slogan. A joke about getting into your car and doing a horrible eggy fart so you had tears in your eyes in traffic, thus leading to some sort of humerous anecdotal situation with a laydeeeee car driver.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-12-05 09:48:00 EST (#)
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Stop wasting our air.
Submitted by MavisMing (user info) at 2005-12-05 04:02:21 EST (#)
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interesting if not brief
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-05 01:51:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-12-05 00:45:22 (#)
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Williamson....you really need to sort out your belief system. Freedom of expression is freedom of expression. You can't pick and choose according to your personal whim otherwise you make all of your claims in favour of freedom of expression illegitimate.
According to you using racially derogatory language is everyone's right because it hurts no-one etc etc (which is crap by the way). In the same vein burning a flag hurts no-one either (unless someone's wearing it of course).
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Racially derogatory language should be discouraged but I certainly do not approve of the PC we have now. My solution to solving racial separation is patriotising the population. Who'd look at race when we are all national bretheren? Also, Racially derogatory language isn't political expression. It's completely different. It's social freedom, not political which shouldn't be confused.
Burning a flag hurts the nation as a whole. We saw Moslems burning the French flag and we considered the French to be weak. If I see liberal "blue state" America burning the American flag we'll see the country as divided.
Basically the flag is your symbol of loyalty. Citizens must be loyal to their nation. Not completely blind or unquestioning but loyal to the state enough for society to run properly. Those that challenge the nation should be challenged back. The way I see it, the burning of a flag means two things; either a call for anarchy or a call for some other nation (be it foreign or seperatist) to take over. And i don't think those things should be protected.
Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-12-05 00:45:22 EST (#)
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Williamson....you really need to sort out your belief system. Freedom of expression is freedom of expression. You can't pick and choose according to your personal whim otherwise you make all of your claims in favour of freedom of expression illegitimate.
According to you using racially derogatory language is everyone's right because it hurts no-one etc etc (which is crap by the way). In the same vein burning a flag hurts no-one either (unless someone's wearing it of course).
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-05 00:43:51 EST (#)
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"Treason. This, when real, merits the highest punishment. But most codes extend their definition of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government and acts against the oppressions of the government; the latter are virtues; yet they have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former; because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny, have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries."
--- Thomas Jefferson's view on things...
Surely, setting alight the symbol of the nation is *not* against the *oppression* of the government. It's nothing but sedition against the state.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-05 00:28:22 EST (#)
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You argue your point very well, williamson. But I doubt we will ever reach agreement on this matter. I simply cannot see a piece of fabric with patterns as a realistic representation of a nation. Also, the fact that there are nations as a whole bother me simply because the reason we have so much war is the separation of our species. But, if you were to compare us to any animals, you'd get nearly the same idea out of ants... Colonies are like nations, and attempting to bring them together usually results in death. We're a doomed race.
This is definitely something worth continuing after some food and some sleep.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-05 00:13:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:48:50 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:35:57 (#)
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Submitted by GrayGhost (user info) at 2005-12-04 21:22:44 (#)
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There's nothing treasonous about burning a flag. It is protected speech. The reason why this country is better then any other is because people are allowed such lunacies even though the majority hates it. Iran, North Korea, even the Soviet Union would imprison and prosecute someone who burned a flag.
I hate it. I would never burn our flag, but I recognize the importance of the Constitution.
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What happens when 30% of the population is burning flags. What happens when there is such anti-national sentiment that there's nothing but anarchy in some places.
I don't know about you guys but I prefer a nation of beauty, safety and peace rather than the anarchy and danger of absolute, treasonous freedom. Practicality over philosophy i suppose.
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You still have kind of the wrong idea of things. %30 of the population wouldn't have reason to burn their flag. Hardly anyone in the US does it. The ones doing it are the ones who hate America, with good reason if you look at what they're going through. First, you have to remember that all media is biased. You will never see a truly honest report on the national affairs. You see images of Iraqis burning American flags, and nothing else. Do you see the big redneck raping then murdering a thirteen year old Iraqi girl? Do you see the American soldier who joined so he could "get his kill on" torturing a goat farmer in front of his family? They burn the flags because they have reason to do so. People here who do it are also the misguided idiots that think everyone in the military WANTS to be in Iraq right now, and are the assholes who brought morale down so far on troops in Vietnam that many of them are still homeless and ignored to this day. Morons who confuse the people with the cause.
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Moslems in France. Give them the ability to openly and freely denounce the entire state of France and look what you get. Burning a flag is sybolically attacking the entire nation, not just it's governing body. The way I see things those Moslems were rebelling against France, not it's government. They should have been treated as enemies of the republic; not discontent citizenry.
I guess I just believe that if you don't like the nation you either invade it, change it or leave it. And if you do attack it you can expect retribution from those that love it.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:48:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:35:57 (#)
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Submitted by GrayGhost (user info) at 2005-12-04 21:22:44 (#)
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There's nothing treasonous about burning a flag. It is protected speech. The reason why this country is better then any other is because people are allowed such lunacies even though the majority hates it. Iran, North Korea, even the Soviet Union would imprison and prosecute someone who burned a flag.
I hate it. I would never burn our flag, but I recognize the importance of the Constitution.
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What happens when 30% of the population is burning flags. What happens when there is such anti-national sentiment that there's nothing but anarchy in some places.
I don't know about you guys but I prefer a nation of beauty, safety and peace rather than the anarchy and danger of absolute, treasonous freedom. Practicality over philosophy i suppose.
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You still have kind of the wrong idea of things. %30 of the population wouldn't have reason to burn their flag. Hardly anyone in the US does it. The ones doing it are the ones who hate America, with good reason if you look at what they're going through. First, you have to remember that all media is biased. You will never see a truly honest report on the national affairs. You see images of Iraqis burning American flags, and nothing else. Do you see the big redneck raping then murdering a thirteen year old Iraqi girl? Do you see the American soldier who joined so he could "get his kill on" torturing a goat farmer in front of his family? They burn the flags because they have reason to do so. People here who do it are also the misguided idiots that think everyone in the military WANTS to be in Iraq right now, and are the assholes who brought morale down so far on troops in Vietnam that many of them are still homeless and ignored to this day. Morons who confuse the people with the cause.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:35:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by GrayGhost (user info) at 2005-12-04 21:22:44 (#)
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There's nothing treasonous about burning a flag. It is protected speech. The reason why this country is better then any other is because people are allowed such lunacies even though the majority hates it. Iran, North Korea, even the Soviet Union would imprison and prosecute someone who burned a flag.
I hate it. I would never burn our flag, but I recognize the importance of the Constitution.
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What happens when 30% of the population is burning flags. What happens when there is such anti-national sentiment that there's nothing but anarchy in some places.
I don't know about you guys but I prefer a nation of beauty, safety and peace rather than the anarchy and danger of absolute, treasonous freedom. Practicality over philosophy i suppose.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:32:19 EST (#)
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Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:21:33 (#)
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Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-12-04 19:36:49 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:16:03 (#)
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Firstly, shut up.
Secondly, I'm against flag burning because I see it as sedition against the nation. It's fine to hate the government. I hate the government. Burn as many Republican or Coalition party flags as you want but don't you dare burn the flag of my beloved nation, lest you wish to be seen as an enemy of my nation in my eyes. If you want to do it, fine. But don't expect no consequence.
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Williamson believes in everyones right to freedom of expression (particularly his own) except when it offends him personally.
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Hahahahahah...
Actually I believe in any freedom of speech as long as it's about internal governance. You can campaign against the government as wholeheartedly as you wish but if you attack the actual state than you are a traitor. Pure and simple.
"I hate Bush/Howard/Blair" = Okay by me.
"I hate America/Australia/Britain" = Treachery. I suggest these people leave the country or face my the consequences of patriots' wrath against them.
Basically, I believe in the right to change the system, not to destroy it. That's called Rebellion."
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Think about it another way: The fact that some of these nations even exist is an insult to the original denizens of said lands. Take Australia for example: Great place now, but think of the origins. England took it over to use as a prison. Yes, they killed off thousands of Aborigines to drop off the scum of their society. Then think of England itself. Founded on the basis of killing off Celtic and Druidic tribes, and stealing their land. Then you have America. The scum from Europe that WILLINGLY left, and followed in the footsteps of those before them, by killing the natives and taking their territory. So don't get all high and mighty about the nations. They were all founded on the blood of innocents, no matter how great they may have now become.
At least Australia and England have grown up a little bit over the centuries, and aren't still out for conquest like America. Want an insight to the dark ages? America is in their own dark ages right now, and the rest of the world is paying the price.
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They were foreign invasions. Invasion is different to civil rights... and at any rate if you'd been an American and I was an Indian I would be saying the same thing as I am now "prepare to meet my wrath".
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:25:51 EST (#)
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Oh, and to clarify on my reply I just left, when I said the scum from Europe, I don't mean all Europeans are scum, I mean the scumbags who were also from Europe. I don't want to deal with Semanticor the word beast tonight.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:21:33 EST (#)
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"Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:07:27 (#)
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Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-12-04 19:36:49 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:16:03 (#)
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Firstly, shut up.
Secondly, I'm against flag burning because I see it as sedition against the nation. It's fine to hate the government. I hate the government. Burn as many Republican or Coalition party flags as you want but don't you dare burn the flag of my beloved nation, lest you wish to be seen as an enemy of my nation in my eyes. If you want to do it, fine. But don't expect no consequence.
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Williamson believes in everyones right to freedom of expression (particularly his own) except when it offends him personally.
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Hahahahahah...
Actually I believe in any freedom of speech as long as it's about internal governance. You can campaign against the government as wholeheartedly as you wish but if you attack the actual state than you are a traitor. Pure and simple.
"I hate Bush/Howard/Blair" = Okay by me.
"I hate America/Australia/Britain" = Treachery. I suggest these people leave the country or face my the consequences of patriots' wrath against them.
Basically, I believe in the right to change the system, not to destroy it. That's called Rebellion."
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Think about it another way: The fact that some of these nations even exist is an insult to the original denizens of said lands. Take Australia for example: Great place now, but think of the origins. England took it over to use as a prison. Yes, they killed off thousands of Aborigines to drop off the scum of their society. Then think of England itself. Founded on the basis of killing off Celtic and Druidic tribes, and stealing their land. Then you have America. The scum from Europe that WILLINGLY left, and followed in the footsteps of those before them, by killing the natives and taking their territory. So don't get all high and mighty about the nations. They were all founded on the blood of innocents, no matter how great they may have now become.
At least Australia and England have grown up a little bit over the centuries, and aren't still out for conquest like America. Want an insight to the dark ages? America is in their own dark ages right now, and the rest of the world is paying the price.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 23:07:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-12-04 19:36:49 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:16:03 (#)
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Firstly, shut up.
Secondly, I'm against flag burning because I see it as sedition against the nation. It's fine to hate the government. I hate the government. Burn as many Republican or Coalition party flags as you want but don't you dare burn the flag of my beloved nation, lest you wish to be seen as an enemy of my nation in my eyes. If you want to do it, fine. But don't expect no consequence.
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Williamson believes in everyones right to freedom of expression (particularly his own) except when it offends him personally.
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Hahahahahah...
Actually I believe in any freedom of speech as long as it's about internal governance. You can campaign against the government as wholeheartedly as you wish but if you attack the actual state than you are a traitor. Pure and simple.
"I hate Bush/Howard/Blair" = Okay by me.
"I hate America/Australia/Britain" = Treachery. I suggest these people leave the country or face my the consequences of patriots' wrath against them.
Basically, I believe in the right to change the system, not to destroy it. That's called Rebellion.
Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2005-12-04 22:30:15 EST (#)
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The incas had a pretty "true" communism, although theystill had classes if I remember right
Submitted by Dr.Gonzo (user info) at 2005-12-04 21:56:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-04 21:33:57 EST (#)
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Some people should learn the values of context, seriously. Like I said before, the money spent on a flag, even if you burn it, still furthers the nation. Therefore, I am against flag burning, or at least the idea of me doing it. It's far more effective to just not buy the flag.
Submitted by GrayGhost (user info) at 2005-12-04 21:22:44 EST (#)
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There's nothing treasonous about burning a flag. It is protected speech. The reason why this country is better then any other is because people are allowed such lunacies even though the majority hates it. Iran, North Korea, even the Soviet Union would imprison and prosecute someone who burned a flag.
I hate it. I would never burn our flag, but I recognize the importance of the Constitution.
Submitted by supervixen (user info) at 2005-12-04 21:19:35 EST (#)
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Flag burning is a ridiculous and pointless exercise.
And your post sucked arse.
Submitted by legallady (user info) at 2005-12-04 21:02:34 EST (#)
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Flanders:
They're not perfect, but the Lord says love they neighbor --
Homer: Shut up, Flanders.
Flanders:
Okely-dokely-do.
Hurricane Neddy
Submitted by lordofthedance (user info) at 2005-12-04 19:36:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:16:03 (#)
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Firstly, shut up.
Secondly, I'm against flag burning because I see it as sedition against the nation. It's fine to hate the government. I hate the government. Burn as many Republican or Coalition party flags as you want but don't you dare burn the flag of my beloved nation, lest you wish to be seen as an enemy of my nation in my eyes. If you want to do it, fine. But don't expect no consequence.
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Williamson believes in everyones right to freedom of expression (particularly his own) except when it offends him personally.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-04 19:31:21 EST (#)
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So far I've only seen Canadians speaking out against flag burning. Well lucky you, you live in a nation that doesn't suck. Why don't you read again and see what nation this is about, hosers? Damn Canadians with their national health care and government that isn't consistently fucking them in the ass, and their loonies and toonies that are advantageous in northern tourists locations because they're at par? Quit bitching, Canadians. Your system is far superior. The only ones burning your flag are the war mongers that call you the 51st state.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 19:18:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:59:19 (#)
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Yeah, your writing is terrible.
If I ever see you buring a Canadian flag, I will force you to eat it while it burns. You've been warned.
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Amen.
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:59:19 EST (#)
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Yeah, your writing is terrible.
If I ever see you buring a Canadian flag, I will force you to eat it while it burns. You've been warned.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:53:38 EST (#)
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"Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:43:22 (#)
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"I really..."
i stopped reading after that "
OH NOES!!1! THE DRUNK GUY MADE AN ERROR IN A POST! -1117865159!!!!!
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:43:22 EST (#)
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"I really..."
i stopped reading after that
Submitted by XFile (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:35:03 EST (#)
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FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM OY! FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM OY!
Am I the only one thinking about Dr. Zoidberg eating the Earth flag when I read about flag burning?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:30:40 EST (#)
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flag burning is a protective freedom of speech that i happen to agree with.
johnson v. texas.
woo
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:16:03 EST (#)
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Firstly, shut up.
Secondly, I'm against flag burning because I see it as sedition against the nation. It's fine to hate the government. I hate the government. Burn as many Republican or Coalition party flags as you want but don't you dare burn the flag of my beloved nation, lest you wish to be seen as an enemy of my nation in my eyes. If you want to do it, fine. But don't expect no consequence.
Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:15:20 EST (#)
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I'm sure you're actually thinking about fascism. Communism, TRUE communism, has never been effectively put in place by humans. But real communism can best be described by a pack of wolves, or other groups of animals. They do things for the good of the group, without constant selfish motives. What happens with most communist attempts is that people start taking advantage of the equality, and everyone starts doing less and less. Suddenly the government steps in and cracks down, and it turns into a fascist nation.
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This was a pretty good first post, compared to a lot, there weren't any glaring errors and I like your writing style. Basic but very readable.
People do bash Bush on here a lot.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:10:02 EST (#)
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You obviously can't read. People here bash the living shit out of Dubya all
the time.
Submitted by Xcuses (user info) at 2005-12-04 18:04:35 EST (#)
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shitty post alert