ACLU: Clueless idiots once again (1594 hits)
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Submitted by Stabkill (View user info) at 2006-01-02 04:57:17 EST
ACLU will provide cameras to tape police
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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/Popup?ReadForm&db=stltoday%5Cnews%5Cstories.nsf&docid=9B76BA4A1A51D52A862570E80072B913
The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, a frequent critic of
the city police, says it plans to arm residents of the city's north side with
video cameras to record officers' dealings with the public.
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That is only one paragraph of the article and the only one you need to read.
The ACLU is stupid enough to "give" north-side St.Louis residents videocameras to record police?
Yeah... RIGHT! Watch the boom on the p2p networks for black sex (also known as rape) and crimes caught on tape by idiot criminals who happen to videotape their crime spree.
Who came up with this bright idea? Why even bother, ACLU? Let me give a 2006 prediction right here and now: When those cameras wind up missing (because someone needs to score some crack)... you might want to check out the local pawn shops to see if any footage of "illegal police activity" is still on the tape inside.
Funny how the ACLU hates cameras pointed at average citizens, but pointing them at police is perfectly cool. Maybe the cops could get the ACLU to sue other members of the ACLU for some kind of privacy concern. Just perhaps they were on a break and some ACLU nut recorded them chowing down a French cruller and a cup of joe.
FUCK THE ACLU and anyone who supports them right in their already loose asshole.
I dislike most cops personally, but I'd rather get beaten by a dirty cop on the side of the road before I got a "helping hand" from the traitorous bastards at the ACLU.
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-01-04 17:13:26 EST (#)
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What are you, fucking retarded?
"I dislike most cops personally, but I'd rather get beaten by a dirty cop on the side of the road before I got a "helping hand" from the traitorous bastards at the ACLU."
You obviously have never lived in a rough town. ACLU stands for American Civil Liberties Union, meaning they are there to protect you. Who are they going to hurt. You, perhaps? by ensuring poor and black people don't have their civil rights violated?
WHATANASSHOLE!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-01-03 15:18:44 EST (#)
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In a lot of cases, the ACLU is about the only organization that stands up against the erosion of our civil liberties and prevents this country from becoming just another police state. I personally don't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks of me for respecting the ACLU, but it's the fucking truth.
Are there a lot of times when they choose their battles unwisely? Of course. I think a lot of the things they take a stand against soils their name and destroys their credability in the eyes of some, but that doesn't mean that when they get it right that their point should simply be disregarded because they are the ACLU. That would be like saying that because Einstein didn't get onboard with the big bang theory or quantum mechanics right away that we should disregard his Special and General theories of Relativity outright. I'm not saying the ACLU are a bunch of Einsteins, but I think we all make mistakes, even if we're geniuses. But if you're vigilant in your persuit of Truth, and you at least ATTEMPT to peer through the muck and mire, you'll realise that the ACLU are on the right side more times than not in terms of preventing lawmakers from creating a slippery slope ripe for the degradation of the fundamental freedoms we 'SUPPOSEDLY' have in this country. (It's funny to me that to be as 'free' as we are, we're constantly having to defend our freedoms from people who are trying to take them away, AKA rampant and unchecked politicians.)
In that letter you linked to, the ACLU are simply pointing out the flaws in the legislation being put forth. They are not saying that it's a bad idea to secure the borders. They are saying that the specific language of that specific bill would allow for widespread undesirable ramifications such as the INDEFINITE DETAINMENT OF FOREIGN PEOPLE WITHOUT A HEARING!
I wish I could underline that last sentence and put it in BOLD type, because I think it's very important you take a look at what you THINK you're battling against.
All you seem to hear is the part where your brain is saying: "but they're trying to defend Mexicans from coming in a taking our jobs". That's not what they're saying. If anything, it's the RICH REPUBLICANS who want to be able to exploit that cheap labor.
Just like the Republicans tried to squeeze the Alaskan oil drilling provision in with their last defense spending bill, politicians will always try some sneaky tactic to push their agenda.
I know it must be hard for you to realize that even criminals need advocation sometimes, but that's why we have court appointed defense attourneys. That's why we have a justice system wherein people are tried by a jury of their peers. That's why we don't just allow the fucking president of the United States to throw anyone he wants in jail indefinitely...oh. Oops. I guess we've already done that!
IT'S CALLED THE FUCKING PARTIOT ACT!
The Patriot Act is the Fourth fucking Reich, and it's a reality. And it's there because of people who either take the time to read it or just didn't give a fuck about the rights of civilians.
There are times when we need people to stand up and say "HANG ON A FUCKING MINUTE" and draw attention to some of the hidden ramifications of what, on the surface, might seem like a good idea.
The bottom line is this: our Declaration of Independance was written under the basic assertions of human rights and liberties, and fully subscribing to the precept that all men are created equal, and that no law should be imposed upon a people with the fair representation of the people. Essentially we were pissed at King George for the taxes he was imposing on us without our say. We didn't think it was right that a continent should be ruled by an island, and we were quite right. We didn't believe in a system of government in which the voice of the aristocracy was held above that of the common man, and we were quite right.
We somehow have gotten away from that. Since 9/11 we've been so eager to give up our civil liberties from some empty promise of security, it's insane. When you've got a president who chooses to unilaterally BYPASS THE FUCKING COURTS to wiretap his own citizens, you're treading on fucking dangerous ground no matter which way you slice it. Then, you have no accountability and you have no oversight. Checks and balances are out the window with the kitchen sink. At that point, the whole system has gone cuckoo, because you don't have to be guilty in a court of law, you only have to be guilty in the mind of George W. Bush.
Or should I say... King George?
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2006-01-03 10:58:14 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-01-03 10:56:39 EST (#)
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bah
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-01-03 10:33:42 EST (#)
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If you think the Repulicans somehow fuck society less than Democrats, you're fucking insane.
The republican party RELIES on the stupidity of its own constituency to push its agenda. They want to start wars that cost the taxpayer HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars for oil, instead of funding research and development into alternate sources of energy, all because their buddies and familes are rich oil tycoons, THEN they want to push bills through Congress that ask the middle class to pay for it all by giving the rich people enormous tax breaks.
Who do you think is paying for Iraq?
Who do you think is paying for Katrina?
It's YOU! And the other 80% of us below the level of wealthy elite in this country.
The republicans are a fucking joke. Don't let your racism blind you to the facts.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-01-03 08:04:27 EST (#)
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I'm not touching this, despite disliking the ACLU immensely.
Submitted by Lechuga (user info) at 2006-01-03 04:21:07 EST (#)
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The ACLU really sucks. They will sue a radical racial group or something, and then turn around and sue the city for not letting them have freedom of speech. They need to pick a side. Either that or just shut the fuck up and dissolve.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-01-03 03:28:04 EST (#)
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I have no problem with oversight and monitoring of government agencies.
and I hope to god the ACLU uses enough of their own money buying cameras that they have to actually discriminate between lawsuits they choose.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-01-03 03:25:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-01-02 06:18:52 (#)
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Although your perspective makes sense given the standard Republican elitists' attitude towards the commoners (ie. working class poor) that constitute 95% of the party's voting base.
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Wait a fucking minute. How can you possibly believe this?
poor people vote democrat because of government entitlements. The majority of the republican voting base are people who have some money and don't want anyone to take it from them.
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2006-01-03 03:13:27 EST (#)
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so what do you think handing over videocameras to residents of that area would do? Film cops or film their dicks getting sucked by some whore? Stolen, sold off for drugs, whatever... these cameras are going to film absolutely nothing. Perhaps the ACLU staff should stick around those depressed areas to do filming themselves. THAT I would find to be a great thing.
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OK, I'll even you up for that. Those cameras would be sold for crack money faster than shit through a goose. Also, ten miles is a pretty good buffer. The suburb I live in is like Beverly Hills compared to Camden. Seventy percent of the residents are afraid to go out at night in Camden, so a cracker like me would have the same life expectancy as a fruit fly.
The ACLU staff would be robbed AND killed. They killed a little old lady on the street there a while back for her purse which contained all of seven dollars.
Submitted by Bob_Dole (user info) at 2006-01-03 02:00:21 EST (#)
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(+2) FUCK THE ACLU and anyone who supports them right in their already loose asshole.
(-2) I dislike most cops personally, but I'd rather get beaten by a dirty cop on the side of the road before I got a "helping hand" from the traitorous bastards at the ACLU.
sorry- i'll take the helping hand from anyone before i get beaten on the side of the road. you cant even defend yourself in that scenario. you just have to take it. and i'm not in the "taking it" kinda business.
Submitted by Banga3386 (user info) at 2006-01-03 01:28:53 EST (#)
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This shit had to happen in my city. Why is it that we are only known for shit like this and when there are multiple idiots walking through raging flood water whenever it floods (give it another 28 minutes)?
Or how about this headline I once read: "St. Louisians fear going to the Arch on anneversary of 911"
I pray for carpet bombing.
The Bang hangs his head.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-03 01:15:05 EST (#)
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They cut the flag into strips and burn them to destroy it. I'm not for a flag burning amendment either...I'm libertarian, not republican.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-01-03 00:36:08 EST (#)
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ACLU isn't *all* bad.
It's just that a LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT of the people in it think they're causes are waaaaaay too important.
Shit, just keep the country from a flag-burning amendment, and I'm cool.
And yes, I *have* burned a flag in protest.
Reason?
See 'The American President' and at the end, Michael Douglas gives a very good reason.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-03 00:00:24 EST (#)
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...rapidly approaching 200,000 hits with the help of the liberal cocksucker's help.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-01-02 23:27:56 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 22:02:22 EST (#)
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Poor Fartman... Sure, you live close but do you venture out of your home? Do you walk down the streets late at night with your glowing bright skin? If you say, "Yes." you are either an idiot or a liar. I wouldn't set foot in Detroit at certain times (However, I have through some unfortunate circumstances and the look on my face as I WALKED back to my home in the peaceful suburbs would have probably said enough to stay clear of the crazy white boy. Walking through Dearborn was kinda interesting as I never knew parts of the USA could resemble the middle east so much.)
So you -2 and say you live close... so what do you think handing over videocameras to residents of that area would do? Film cops or film their dicks getting sucked by some whore? Stolen, sold off for drugs, whatever... these cameras are going to film absolutely nothing. Perhaps the ACLU staff should stick around those depressed areas to do filming themselves. THAT I would find to be a great thing.
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2006-01-02 21:36:09 EST (#)
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I think it is hilarious. Who here has even lived NEAR a place like that?
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I live ten miles from Camden, NJ. STFU. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6555449/
Submitted by Sassmasterr (user info) at 2006-01-02 17:04:33 EST (#)
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ACLU
blech
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 16:33:49 EST (#)
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My next post I'll bash republicans. How is that? But I'll do it in MY way. (Meaning I won't say typical lib crap like "bush is hitler" and other ridiculous crap that idiots like Howard Dean spew.)
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 16:19:18 EST (#)
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I liked TO's comments most of the time. I know when sports guys speak their minds there are people in the front offices clenching their hearts and have tears in their eyes.
Submitted by Xcuses (user info) at 2006-01-02 16:14:21 EST (#)
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Fuck the ACLU.
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hahahaha
don't forget the Terrell Owens comments
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 16:08:44 EST (#)
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http://www.aclu.org/immigrants/gen/22833leg20051213.html
The actual letter of ACLU opposing legislation to strengthen security at our borders. Why? A bunch of BS excuses...the kind liberals constantly make.
Where is the ACLU on seat belt laws? Where is the ACLU on helmet laws? Where is the ACLU on drug laws? Where is the ACLU on hate crime legislation?
Fuck the ACLU.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2006-01-02 16:05:03 EST (#)
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No, bart, he'd support the NRA giving them weapons to wipe the niggers out.
Submitted by Xcuses (user info) at 2006-01-02 16:04:57 EST (#)
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I'm laughing watching Bart and Stabby argue this.
<makes popcorn>
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 16:04:12 EST (#)
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The ACLU supports illegal immigration. Funny how the democrats blame republicans for why wages are being reduced in the United States when they also believe illegals do not hurt us. (Republicans love the cheap labor of course.)
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 16:02:37 EST (#)
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I really have no problem with the cops being taped (hopefully they won't be creatively edited 1/2 way into the fight). But living near high crime areas and knowing St. Louis in particular, I just find it hilarious because people are scum and those videocameras will be stolen and used for other purposes (probably to buy crack). I'd say the police are the least of St. Louis's problems.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-01-02 15:52:38 EST (#)
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This is the most ridiculous argument I've seen you make.
This is a private organization giving private citizens equipment to monitor government employees. You're saying you're in favor of small government, but you think the police in a high crime area should be able to do whatever they want without fear of being recorded on video?
It's not like the ACLU is distributing shotguns. The worst thing that will happen to any of the police officers is that they will have their actions recorded on video.
Oh no! Now how are we going to beat unarmed minorities?
Your entire argument stems from the fact that you don't like black people. Give them video cameras and they'll make amateur pornography and steal the cameras from each other. If it were up to you, they would all be put in cages.
What if the situation were that homeless black people were invading your sheltered cornfed town and beating up white women? Would you support the ACLU giving video cameras to white women?
Submitted by Xcuses (user info) at 2006-01-02 15:41:46 EST (#)
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Looks like I have to write about Politics to get Bart to read my shit, but I have to say we differ greatly on our political views. Debating them on the internet is not my idea of fun
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 15:24:46 EST (#)
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Maybe one day the dummycrats will wake up and realize their own party empowers the government to fuck over society moreso than republicans...Hell, they gave republicans the tools to fuck over the population! Think of it this way... you're walking down the street and the democrats grab you and bend you over a table while the republicans go to town on you. That's the US government right there. Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.
Either way, giving videocameras to inner city folks is stupid. Who wants to dispute me on what those cameras will actually be used for? You know what is REALLY going to happen? They are going to give those cameras to idiot ACLU-supporting chumps (like the ignorant "card carrying" son of a bitch below) who will promptly be robbed of them the next time they leave it sitting in the front seat of their automobile.
I think it is hilarious. Who here has even lived NEAR a place like that? If you have and want to talk shit, I say put your money where your mouth is and put a videocamera in your car in plain view and leave your car parked on the public street and lets see who is right.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 15:13:04 EST (#)
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Oh, and Bart...you know when the pot smoking ACLU supporters "monitored" the Minutemen patrols (mostly by alerting illegals to their whereabouts) they were monitoring real citizens, not government. If you managed to get a group of people to follow around the terrorist bastards from CAIR all day long, who do you think the ACLU would side with?
And to those who think I'm some right-wing republican, you're wrong. I don't like them either. Both democrats and republicans are equally shitty...I'm for taking the power from the government's hands and putting it back to the people. How? By taking their money away from them and giving it back to us for starters. I'm libertarian ... although, not one of those anarchist "civil" libertarians.
It is kind of funny how liberals have actually pushed me to start thinking abortion should be illegal though...and the day I step into a church is the day I walk in with a machine gun to kill somebody. (I'm do not even have a .0001% religious bone in my body!)
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 15:07:30 EST (#)
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I'd like to see you liberal pussies go to St. Louis and help out... Well, after you are robbed/beaten/murdered you can't come back and post how shitty it is and actually toss some support behind police who have to deal with this kind of scum.
Submitted by spedmonkey (user info) at 2006-01-02 13:07:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-01-02 09:42:26 (#)
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Not your greatest ACLU rant, Stabby. Try again.
Submitted by sl4tt3ry (user info) at 2006-01-02 12:37:52 EST (#)
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black sex (also known as rape)
Seriously? Do you even read what you type back to yourself?
You obviously have the intelligence quotient of a mentally challenged stuffed animal.
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2006-01-02 11:56:13 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2006-01-02 10:38:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-01-02 06:18:52 (#)
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Seems pretty obvious to me. Government monitoring citizens is bad. Citizens monitoring government is good.
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And I'm tired of the hypocrisy. In general, I think the country is a much better place with an organization like the ACLU around, even if I don't personally agree with every little cause they support or defend. This statement will usually raise the ire of reactionary right wingers, who will call me a scumbag liberal for it. But yet, those same people will try to use the same 'I don't have to agree with everything they do to support them in principle' argument in their defense when I take issue with republicans over Bush's election or Iraq or anything else that happened on their watch.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-01-02 09:42:26 EST (#)
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And everybody else thinks they have issues.
Not your greatest ACLU rant, Stabby. Try again.
Submitted by stuckfix (user info) at 2006-01-02 09:12:20 EST (#)
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I deal with the ACLU all the time, I'm a card carrying member, and they've helped me out in several cases where cops and government entities are illegally withholding information from me. Until you know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up and go back to your platoon. Freedom isn't free motherfucker, and it takes orgs like the ACLU spending time and money to protect ours from the government.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-01-02 08:13:44 EST (#)
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CHEAP VIDEOCAMS SOON TO BE AVAILABLE IN NORTH ST. LOUIS PAWNSHOPS!! GET 'EM WHILE THEY'RE HOT!!
Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-01-02 06:33:00 EST (#)
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This is even dumber than usual.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-01-02 06:28:56 EST (#)
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Many Founding fathers wrote of their reasoning for arming the
citizenry. It was to prevent against encroachment by
tyrannical governments. The ACLU is similar to unions
in that they are the voice of the people.
Most cops are in favor of gun control. Most cops don't want to be
filmed doing what they do. Why do you suppose that is?
A true measure of a man's character is what he does when
he thinks no one is looking...
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-01-02 06:18:52 EST (#)
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Seems pretty obvious to me. Government monitoring citizens is bad. Citizens monitoring government is good.
Although your perspective makes sense given the standard Republican elitists' attitude towards the commoners (ie. working class poor) that constitute 95% of the party's voting base.
Submitted by a_reader (user info) at 2006-01-02 06:05:58 EST (#)
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The ACLU is full of hypocritical buffoons. What else is new?
Submitted by Azk (user info) at 2006-01-02 06:03:52 EST (#)
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quite good
Submitted by jagmcmanus (user info) at 2006-01-02 05:55:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 05:10:00 (#)
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Why would an aussie bother?
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We are practically the 51st state down here now anyway...
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-02 05:10:00 EST (#)
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Why would an aussie bother? Don't you have some raging muslims to make excuses for down there or something, thorpe?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-01-02 05:03:08 EST (#)
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Oh, you're thuch an angry man, thtabkill.