Getting Away with Rape (1232 hits)
Category: PoliticsRating: 0.94 on 41 reviews (Rate this item) (V)
Submitted by Andrew Wissink (View user info) at 2006-01-06 01:52:51 EST
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Burlington, Vermont -- January 5, 2006
Vermont Judge Edward Cashman is coming under fire for handing out a light sentence to a child rapist.
The judge says (he) did it because he no longer believes in punishment and he wants to speed the rapist's entry into a rehabilitation program.
Judge Cashman's short sentence for an admitted child molester triggered immediate public and political reaction with some lawmakers saying he should leave the bench.
Judge Edward Cashman's light sentence was the talk of the town. Wednesday he sentenced child rapist Mark Hulett to 60 days in jail. Hulett admitted he raped a little girl countless times when she was between 7 and 10 years old.
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4325804
--------------------------------------------------------------------
60 days? What in the hell? Last time I checked there was supposed to be at least a MINIMUM sentence for raping a 7 year old COUNTLESS times.
Talk about a good day to get that judge, but I wonder how the 18 year old boy who got 20 years for getting head from a willing 15 year old feels? Talk about ass-backwards.
User Reviews
Submitted by ubetidid (user info) at 2006-01-06 15:07:45 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
hmmm....now that IS an interesting thought. rehabilitation. what a radical this judge is. normally in America we're not too concerned about silly things like rehabilitation. we just keep building prisons, prisons and more prisons.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-06 14:31:56 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Voltage,
I am totally lost. The difference between idiots suing gun manufacturers and someone who RAPED A CHILD REPEATEDLY (he even admitted to it) is almost infinite.
I shoot from the hip on a lot of crime news that I hear, in a lot of case I agree with Berty, there could be extenuating circumstances, he could have cooperated, etc. In a case like that though I don't think any of that matters. I know life isn't always black and ahite, but this time it is.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-06 14:17:45 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
Berty I'm siding with you.
Growing up, my father was a defense attorney for Beretta (if you don't know who that is, it's an Italian company that makes extremely good firearms, including the M9 which is the standard side arm of the Italian Army and the US Army). My father used to goto trials in California, New York, and Chicago and the like to defend his company from lawsuits. Watching news channels, they would always tell how horrible the gun companies were and how the parents of kids who shot themselves were victims who deserved justice from these evil companies.
Well guess what...
The news companies had about 1 true fact in every article. Guns can kill people. Congrats! That's brilliant! But Beretta NEVER, NOT ONCE lost a lawsuit because they did everything right. They gave away free locks with every pistol, asked that owners use them wisely, sold pamphlets with every gun teaching about gun safety and urging people to take gun safety classes. And if all that wasn't enough, and common sense was completely absent in you, they always put "DANGER! This is NOT a toy! Keep out of reach of children!" on every firearm.
But of course, everytime the judge would dismiss the lawsuit, the media went up into a rage because the evil company got away with murder again.
Now this is different in the crime, but similar in the method of learning what went on.
I was not at the trial, you were not at the trial. Even if we had been there we (probably) might have given a different verdict anyway, but the end thing is we don't know. Not neccessarily for this case, this guy needs to burn, but for other things.
Guess what. If a guy and a girl have sex, consensual sex, and then she decides to say its rape. That's it. Guy goes to jail. No arguing. He's gone.
The Justice system is about justice and so forth. I forgot what my arguement is. All I'm remembering now is that post where the guy said "I'm a lousy rapist"
Damn that was funny shit.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-06 12:26:35 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 11:04:09 (#)
Ranking: 0
My point is though that we don't know the facts behind this judge's decision. I'm happy to admit that he may have made a bad decision, but we don't actually know.
Kind of illustrates my point about the justice system really. We've got this vauge situation of hearsay and suddenly there are dozens of people readdy to kill this judge, but we don't actually know anything about the facts.
-------------------------
What is vague? What do you need to know? The positions he raped her in? If he used lube? Any sane man has all the facts he needs. He repeatedly raped a child, nothing can excuse that. The judge says he no longer believes in punishment, and wants the man to get therapy as soon as possible which he can only get outside of prison, so he gave him a criminally short jail term.
For a Judge to admit he no longer believe in punishment is an indication of what went wrong and why he should no longer be a judge.
Please tell me what justice is without punishment? A promise not to do it again? A counselor holding your hand and telling youthat behavior is bad? What about a nice film strip explaining how rape is bad?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2006-01-06 11:26:07 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I may have to start linking back to this when people say "needs more rape."
You bunch of fucking idiots.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-01-06 11:06:49 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by mtgn37 (user info) at 2006-01-06 11:05:33 (#)
Ranking: 1
jesus fuck! you people are outraged!! im suprised, i thought rape was like the cats meow around here. Plus no one knows the whole story, that 10year old girl was probably asking for it. Dressing all like a slut and teasing his cock. Fucking fith graders.
==================
Asshole :-)
Submitted by mtgn37 (user info) at 2006-01-06 11:05:33 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
jesus fuck! you people are outraged!! im suprised, i thought rape was like the cats meow around here. Plus no one knows the whole story, that 10year old girl was probably asking for it. Dressing all like a slut and teasing his cock. Fucking fith graders.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 11:04:09 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
My point is though that we don't know the facts behind this judge's decision. I'm happy to admit that he may have made a bad decision, but we don't actually know.
Kind of illustrates my point about the justice system really. We've got this vauge situation of hearsay and suddenly there are dozens of people readdy to kill this judge, but we don't actually know anything about the facts.
As far as punishment and justice are concerned though, well, that's another story really.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:57:29 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I think the trouble with the legal system in these types of cases is that it is not black and white enough. Sure, if a girl is 15 and the guy is 18, or vice versa, then sure, no death if it's not rape, it is consensual and all. Or if the girl or guy lies about being raped because they don't want their parents to know they are fucking around. In those cases, I can see the grey areas. But for the clear cut cases...especially in these days of forensic evidence, there is no need for these people to be walking around. I've met these sort of people, and let me tell you, the world is no better with them in it. For sure.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:53:25 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Berty,
I think you are forgeting there should be punishment in Justice.
Revenge would be to have someone rape his loved ones in front of him.
Justice would be him going to jail for the rest of his life (death would be fine by me).
Justice is not getting him out of jail as soon as possible so he can recieve treatment (which given the number of repeat offenders doesn't work).
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:47:17 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:41:42 (#)
Ranking: 0
Ok, here's the thing.
The legal system isn't about revenge. It's about doing the right thing. Now I'll grant you that it doesn't always work out briliantly but these are complex issues, with many variables to consider. Variables and details that we are not privvy to, but that the judge is.
------------
It is about Justice. Justice involves punishment. If a grown man has repeatedly raped a girl from the age of 10-13, what other info do you need? How much more black and white can it get? I have a tough time thinking of a more atrocious and viscious crime. Ther are no extenuating circumstance that could excuse that.
What crime is foule enough for you? What details do you need? Nothing can excuse acting like that. And a person who does, no matter what remorse they express, no matter if they turned themselves in they should never leave prison again.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:41:42 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Ok, here's the thing.
The legal system isn't about revenge. It's about doing the right thing. Now I'll grant you that it doesn't always work out briliantly but these are complex issues, with many variables to consider. Variables and details that we are not privvy to, but that the judge is.
For all I know he has been too lenient, but it's probably more likely that he's made a valid judgement that is both unmotivated by passion and yet resolves the situation adequatly. For all we know the 'monster' gave himself up to police. There may have been fuck all evidence. It may have been unclear whether or not the man was guilty.
We don't know.
This bullshit article has no details. We've not heard all the sides of the story. We know fuck all other than that this authour is displeased with the decision. Whoopee fuucking shit. We know his feelings, we don't know anything about the situation.
I'm afraid that the sad truth is that the world isn't black and white. The truth is never clear. This is why the legal system is the way it is, to give people the best chance at a fair hearing. That's the theory anyway. Besides revenge has no place in the courts. Except possibly as a motive for the accused.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:37:24 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:19:07 (#)
Ranking: 1
A guy in my hometown was recently sentenced to three years, minus time off for good behavior, on a rape charge. It was something like the sixth time he's had charges levelled at him. They let him plea bargain and dropped the charges that he had forced a five year old to fellate him and repeatedly molested a neighborhood girl from the time she was seven until she was twelve.
I guess it couldn't have anything to do with the fact his brother has been a long time politician and COP here.
I'm holding out hope that someone kills him while he's in prison.
----
Hopefully someone will teach him the meaning of 'Ass riping anal sex'.
I think you should look at ages. More than 6 years difference, burn the offender. If it's like an 18 year old boy and a 15 year old girl, that is still kinda weird, but not as bad as (and I knew this girl in highschool) a 15 year old girl and a 23 year old guy. That was fucked up shit.
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:19:07 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
A guy in my hometown was recently sentenced to three years, minus time off for good behavior, on a rape charge. It was something like the sixth time he's had charges levelled at him. They let him plea bargain and dropped the charges that he had forced a five year old to fellate him and repeatedly molested a neighborhood girl from the time she was seven until she was twelve.
I guess it couldn't have anything to do with the fact his brother has been a long time politician and COP here.
I'm holding out hope that someone kills him while he's in prison.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:17:30 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Berty will debate you on this issue forever.
I personally believe child molesters should have their genitals removed with a rusty knife. But that's just my opinion.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:10:28 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:59:48 (#)
Ranking: -2
Seriously though, it's all very well to make broad and sweeping comments when you don't have all the information. When you really get into it all it's a lot more complicated than that. It's still bad and something needs to be done, don't get me wrong, but you've got to trust the process. These sort of things are always complex and a few dodgy paragraphs written by a blatently biased authour are not things you should use to make an opinion.
================================
My opinion is based on my experience as a social worker, and also personal experience via a family member that was raped. And also countless clients and also a friend that was molested as a child. And a father that was a police officer for 27 years that dealt with these people every day. If the case is clear cut and they are without a doubt guilty, then death is the price of their evil deed. I'm not advocating the killing of people when there are ambigious circumstances.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-06 10:10:07 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:59:48 (#)
Ranking: -2
Seriously though, it's all very well to make broad and sweeping comments when you don't have all the information. When you really get into it all it's a lot more complicated than that. It's still bad and something needs to be done, don't get me wrong, but you've got to trust the process. These sort of things are always complex and a few dodgy paragraphs written by a blatently biased authour are not things you should use to make an opinion.
---------------------------
I appreciate there bieng grey area, or misunderstanding, or false accusations. But when someone admits to repeatedly rapng a girl from the age of 10-13. There is no grey area. The judge in this case should be hung as well. Someone responsible for an act like that does not need treatment, he needs to never see the outside of a prison again.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:59:48 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:47:53 (#)
Ranking: 0
I know MistressFist may joke about rape....but....
I feel that all rapists should be killed upon a guilty verdict.
There is no "rehabilitation" with these people.
----------------------
I'd agree if I didn't know how dodgy most rape cases are. When you actually hear all the facts in these cases it's not always so easy to tell black from white.
Then again they're are a lot of cases where everybody knows the bloke is guilty and they know they're going to see him back in court soon.
At least that's what Chris said in the pub. He's a clever man, you should all listen to him.
Seriously though, it's all very well to make broad and sweeping comments when you don't have all the information. When you really get into it all it's a lot more complicated than that. It's still bad and something needs to be done, don't get me wrong, but you've got to trust the process. These sort of things are always complex and a few dodgy paragraphs written by a blatently biased authour are not things you should use to make an opinion.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:58:11 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
What a fucking retard.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:55:38 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:47:53 (#)
Ranking: 0
I feel that all rapists should be killed upon a guilty verdict.
There is no "rehabilitation" with these people.
----
I agree. When you are sexually attracted to something, it takes nothing short of a miracle to change that. And people will do anything to get their sexual jollies. I only hope the next time this guy goes to rape someone, that person is holding a 92FS Defender of Freedom limited edition.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:52:03 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:48:38 (#)
Ranking: 0
That *is* the whole story.
The fact of the matter is that the trial was in Vermont; home of turtle-neck wearing, poetry writing, lette-sipping, limp-wristed hippies.
=========
Hey Bob, I'm going to VT in Feb to kill some Liberals and eat some mustard seed cheese. Wanna come with?
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:48:38 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
That *is* the whole story.
The fact of the matter is that the trial was in Vermont; home of turtle-neck wearing, poetry writing, lette-sipping, limp-wristed hippies.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:47:53 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I know MistressFist may joke about rape....but....
I feel that all rapists should be killed upon a guilty verdict.
There is no "rehabilitation" with these people.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:47:33 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
Submitted by sinna (user info) at 2006-01-06 04:47:53 (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Chroniclysm (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:36:26 (#)
Ranking: 2
What the fuck. Who wants to take a roadtrip in a few months and wreck this fool?
---------------------------------
I'd fly over just for it.
------
I'll bring the blades. Do we want to use Turkish daggers, a zaichi katana, or a claymore? Or all of them? I'll just bring all of them. We can sodomize him with kitchen knives too.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:43:11 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:25:30 (#)
Ranking: -2
A fair point. Rape is rape afterall. I just don't think we're getting the whole story here.
------------
Rape is rape, but rape of a 10 year old repeatedly is much worse. I looked at the link, and what he wrote about sums it up, though what he wrote isn't that great.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:25:30 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
SOrry berty chemical castration is not enough. Someone like this should never be allowed out of prison the rest of his life. I can understand not liking this post, but there is no excuse for this man not being in jail for the rest of his life.
I am a pretty open minded person. I could see how terrorists get wrapped up in doing despicable things (I don't approve, but I can understand). I can't understand how someone would want anything less than life in prison for someone like this.
--------------------------------
A fair point. Rape is rape afterall. I just don't think we're getting the whole story here.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-06 09:17:13 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I want to club that judge with a walrus. What a dumbass. Maybe if the girl was his daughter he would think differently. Dumb fuck.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-06 08:23:14 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 07:29:37 (#)
Ranking: -2
Ok, here's the thing.
The article didn't mention any of the other measures that our man the judge has taken. One would assume that he's booked our rape supporter into some manner of treatment program which, for all we know, includes something horrible like chemical castration.
Now given that the article was a paragraph or two on what happened and several paragraphs of people saying how awful it all is, I think it's safe to say that we're not getting the complete picture here.
Nothing personal, but a link and a few lines shouting 'what the fuck?' do not make a good post. Not unless you can say 'what the fuck?' in a really, really creative way.
--------------------------------
SOrry berty chemical castration is not enough. Someone like this should never be allowed out of prison the rest of his life. I can understand not liking this post, but there is no excuse for this man not being in jail for the rest of his life.
I am a pretty open minded person. I could see how terrorists get wrapped up in doing despicable things (I don't approve, but I can understand). I can't understand how someone would want anything less than life in prison for someone like this.
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2006-01-06 07:59:25 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
According to the title of your piece we have a descrepency. He has 60 days to serve. Now if has good behavior, he'll be out in 40. But don't forget that he probably has time served for when he was initially arrested. Ok, the way I see it is that he has to serve 30 days in jail for rape. I guess he didn't get away with it after all did he?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-01-06 07:29:37 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Ok, here's the thing.
The article didn't mention any of the other measures that our man the judge has taken. One would assume that he's booked our rape supporter into some manner of treatment program which, for all we know, includes something horrible like chemical castration.
Now given that the article was a paragraph or two on what happened and several paragraphs of people saying how awful it all is, I think it's safe to say that we're not getting the complete picture here.
Nothing personal, but a link and a few lines shouting 'what the fuck?' do not make a good post. Not unless you can say 'what the fuck?' in a really, really creative way.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-01-06 06:25:22 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Rape: the victimless crime.
Submitted by sinna (user info) at 2006-01-06 04:47:53 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Chroniclysm (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:36:26 (#)
Ranking: 2
What the fuck. Who wants to take a roadtrip in a few months and wreck this fool?
---------------------------------
I'd fly over just for it.
Submitted by Kent_Weirdo (user info) at 2006-01-06 03:42:04 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
THAT'S
FUCKING
BULLSHIT!
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-01-06 03:20:14 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
This is fucked up. Why does the law exist in such a way that this sentence was possible? Otherwise the prosecution would have instantly won an appeal.
Submitted by Davros (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:46:27 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-01-06 01:55:10 (#)
Ranking: 2
Good fucking god...
Submitted by Chroniclysm (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:36:26 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
What the fuck. Who wants to take a roadtrip in a few months and wreck this fool?
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:31:47 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:24:23 (#)
Ranking: 2
Gotta love "progressive" judges.
/add nukelist Vermont
The nukelist now consists of:
CALIFORNIA?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
justice is administered here...at a later date, and from a different direction...
by many
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:24:23 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Gotta love "progressive" judges.
/add nukelist Vermont
The nukelist now consists of:
CALIFORNIA
MASSACHUSETTS
OREGON
VERMONT
WASHINGTON
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:13:59 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
the sad part is he'll be relatively safe in a county lock-up
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2006-01-06 02:02:15 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
I've only got one thing to say on this matter: hot.
You know rape was a mating ritual back in the day.
My philosophy is: it's not rape if she can't remember.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-01-06 01:55:10 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Good fucking god...