My theory on the middle east (468 hits)
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Submitted by oxymoron (View user info) at 2006-01-25 18:37:24 EST
This was going to be a response to Loki's recent post on praise jebus, but I got a little long winded and decided to start a new topic. Read the other if you must, but this one can handle it's own.
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Back when Iran and Iraq were fighting in the 70's and 80's, The U.S. backed Iraq to prevent the U.S.S.R from gaining more control in that region. We supplied them with weapons, and supplies to use against Soviet backed Iran.
Iran didn't like this, so they took over the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, heald hostages and negotiated their release. For their release we gave them all kinds of cool stuff like Stinger missiles, rifles, etc. (heard of Oliver North and the Iran Contra affair?)
In the late 80's Afghanistan was involved in a civil war, and the Gov't. was backed by the Soviets. The rebels were hardline conservatives and against communism. the U.S. gave them some help, again with Stinger missiles, rifles, etc.
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Now, after a decade or more, we see that Saddam couldn't keep his rocket in his pants, and used chemicle weapons against his own people, shame on you Saddam. This obviously upset us, and we began to watch him. He went into Kuwait in 91...BIG mistake. After that conflict was over, the UN passed sanctions on Iraq, and required random weapons checks of the country. We all know that Saddam didn't cooperate with these.
Afghanistan's Gov't that we helped put in place ended up being a bunch of Women beating, gun toting, Islamo Fascists known as the Taliban. The Taliban didn't like western civilization (as do most Islamo Fascists), so they started Terrorist training camps, and harbored such wonderous people as Osama Bin Laden and Al Quaeda.
Iran for the last couple decades has sat by the wayside and, other than a couple plane hijackings, has kept mostly to itself, until a few months ago when the people of Iran elected the closest thing to Hitler they possibly could. This guy has a problem of saying dumbass things such as "Isreal should be wiped off the map", and "the holocaust was made up to give jews simpathy for fleeing to Isreal". Iran has also been working on enriching Uranium...Bad Joo Joo. What they intend to do with this stuff is still uncertain, but their lack of cooperation with the IAEA has put quite a bit of doubt on them using it for energy.
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Now for the crazy part. This is entirely my theory, and is more or less a joke with some bit of truth.
All these countries were, in way or another, helped out by the U.S. during the cold war. We were too busy worrying about the end of the world to care what these countries were really thinking/doing. Now that the Cold War is over we have time to look at what has become of the middle east.
During the cold war the middle east saw most of the world adopting one of two forms of Gov't. Communism or Federalism. Muslims hated both. The Muslim religion has always had their own forms of Gov't and they liked it that way. However they began to see that their countries would not survive unless they picked the lesser of two evils. They didn't necesarily have to change their Gov't. but they had to become more willing to be Westernised, ie. trading.
After the cold war ended, middle eastern countries saw that they didn't need to be allies with the western world anymore, and started taking things into their own hands. Small fringe groups formed, and began recruiting disinfranchised young men who wanted something to believe in. TERRORIST ORGINIZATIONS WERE FORMED. These groups began to profess(is this a word?) their extreme muslim beliefs and soon found a growing support chain of men willing to kill themselves for their beliefs. They will not rest until the entire world is either Islamic or dead.
Seeing how this could put a damper on things in the rest of the civilized world, The U.S. decide it needed to fix what it had more or less started, and remove some of these wackos from power. Iraq was the logical first choice, since Saddam had already expressed intent and used WMDs in the past. However OBL changed all this on 9/11 when the world woke up to Islamic Terrorists. 9/11 wasn't the first attack, but was big enough to make us do something.
This brings me to Iran. If it hadn't been for their new president kicking out the IAEA, cutting off the locks to their nuclear facilities and, saying some pretty inflamatory remarks about Isreal. I don't think they would even be on the list. But they did, and now they must be dealt with.
So as you see, much of this Middle East shit is the US's fault to some degree, and being the noble people that we are, we feel it necesary to fix or mistakes. If that means overthrowing shitty regimes and replacing them with cooky cutter democracies, then so be it.
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-01-25 19:05:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by Smack_Fuck (user info) at 2006-01-25 18:56:21 (#)
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No, this is probably just a silly kid, what's fucked up is that you are far more knowledgable yet you agree with his ignorant conclusion. His conclusion is fucking laughable.
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what's laughable is that the people against this solution would rather let things be, so they can fester and bubble and BOOM!!!! Uh Oh, Osama got his hands on a nuke......
Maybe my answer was a little extremist, but it is less laughable than any other solution I've heard
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-01-25 19:00:14 EST (#)
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I know there are a lot of inaccuracies, it was my test to see who actually knows anything around here. good job for giving a shit about our world. All in all I just wanted to start a big orgie of a debate.
As far as selling goes. We wouldn't have even thought of selling arms to Iran if they hadn't had our nuts in a vice, thanks to that no good peanut farmer who talks to God.
Submitted by Smack_Fuck (user info) at 2006-01-25 18:56:21 EST (#)
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No, this is probably just a silly kid, what's fucked up is that you are far more knowledgable yet you agree with his ignorant conclusion. His conclusion is fucking laughable.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-25 18:54:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-25 18:54:01 EST (#)
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Wookie raised the points that were needed to be brought to light.
The USA has a history of installing shitty governments and now nobody trusts us. We still can't leave a nut in charge of Iran though...or Saddam for that matter. But we should have left Saddam seeing as to Iraqis can't get along with each other without a brutal dictator.
We need to #1) Admit to everything we did wrong and apologize...try to make amends with countries that are quasi-friendly to us
#2) establish global standards for citizens of the world and make sure the UN enforces them (minimal standards mind you...but ones that will allow some major ass kicking of the leaders across the middle east and down through most of Africa)
#3) let those countries run their own lives and unless they conflict with #2, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
See ya.
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-01-25 18:51:02 EST (#)
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Man. There are so many inaccuracies in this... and it's kind of a shame, because I sort of agree with your conclusion, but how you arrived at it is all fucked up.
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-01-25 18:47:29 EST (#)
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"Back when Iran and Iraq were fighting in the 70's and 80's, The U.S. backed Iraq to prevent the U.S.S.R from gaining more control in that region. We supplied them with weapons, and supplies to use against Soviet backed Iran.
Iran didn't like this, so they took over the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, heald hostages and negotiated their release. For their release we gave them all kinds of cool stuff like Stinger missiles, rifles, etc. (heard of Oliver North and the Iran Contra affair?)"
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Dude. Are you kidding me? First of all, we "supported" BOTH Iraq and Iran during that war. The Iran-Contra affair was about us SELLING weapons to Iran--at the same time we were supporting Iraq--in order to fund the "conflict" in Nicaragua. The arms shipments the US made to Iran began long before the first hostage was taken, and continued long after the last hostage was released.
Second of all, the Iranian Islamic students didn't take over the embassy because they were mad at the US for supporting Iraq, the took over the embassy because the US, in a CIA-backed coup, removed the the liberal Iranian president Dr. Mohammad Mossadeq (mainly because he was going to nationalize oil) and replaced him with a brutal dictator (the Shah of Iran). The Shah's regime was so brutal it fomented the rise of the Islamic fundamentalists.
Submitted by Smack_Fuck (user info) at 2006-01-25 18:46:56 EST (#)
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You misspelled held, and that doesn't look like a typo.