This is Not a Sexist Post...Yet (979 hits)
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Submitted by oxymoron (View user info) at 2006-01-30 13:23:16 EST
electrictoothsyndrome started this in his post...http://www.ubersite.com/m/83109, but I felt it needed it's own post.
I've been discussing with friends, relatives, coworkers, homeless people on the street recently about the almost certainty of Hillary Clinton running for the presidency in 2008.
I'll get this out in the open right away...I don't agree with 95% of Hillary's positions on the main topics. Having said this, I want to point out that she has become quite moderate in the last year following Bush's election. Her new stance on Illegal immigration is one of those instances.
What this post is about though, isn't her political views, or whether she could be elected. It's what I've been hearing from the various people I've been talking to that this post is about. When I bring up the question about whether they would vote for her or not, I'm getting responses like "It's about time a woman was president.", and "Of course I would vote for her, I think a woman president is what this country needs."
I respond with questions like, what about Hillary do you like? foreign policies, social policies, stance on the war, etc. And to my shock, the majority who say they would vote for her are justifying their decision solely on her being a woman. I'm not sexist, I think a woman president would be great, but only if she had similar views to my own, could I vote for her. I can't justify voting for anyone, whether they're Black, White, Male, or Female on the sole basis of their race, or gender.
It scares me that only 1/3 of eligable voters vote in America. It makes me shit my pants when I hear that a portion of that 30% are voting based on things like this.
My intention isn't to start a Right vs. Left argument with this post, but I'm curious to see if anyone on here feels similarly to me, or not.
So, Uber. What do ya say?
Would YOU vote for a candidate based solely on their Race/Gender? let me know.
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-02-15 19:08:47 EST (#)
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Thanks for reminding me where Alcatraz is, I appreciate it.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-01-31 07:41:44 EST (#)
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Ignorant?
Neither the Republicans or the democrats are left wing, you can argue if you want.
There is no left in america, just two rights.
Submitted by ooQueso (user info) at 2006-01-30 18:21:55 EST (#)
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Political comments on posts always cause me to lose a lot of respect for people. Politics should be like income, keep it to yourself because you aren't going to change anybody, you're just going to tick em off. Sheep are easy to tick off.
Submitted by SammySnyders (user info) at 2006-01-30 18:06:24 EST (#)
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this cartoon makes good use of a concept known as cetrus peribus and is pretty not humrous as well
nice
http://captainfoamy.com
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-01-30 17:53:30 EST (#)
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A good percentage of voters who supported Pauline Hanson (conservative anti-immigrationist) in the Queensland State election did so because they thought she was good-looking.
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200308/r7959_18366.jpg
Submitted by MyTeeOne (user info) at 2006-01-30 17:28:39 EST (#)
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Politics...meh. I don't discuss them
(Insert sarcasm) Part of me hopes Hillary wins, and I'll tell you why. It has NOTHING to do with the issues. Finally, SNL would have decent fodder again. Comics around the world could rejoice. Hillary in office and Billy with nothing to do... oh, that sounds like a sitcom right there. Funny stuff.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 16:07:03 EST (#)
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whatever doosh :P
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:56:31 EST (#)
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Would YOU vote for a candidate based solely on their Race/Gender? let me know.
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I vote for old rich white guys all the time - what's the deal here?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:55:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:45:53 (#)
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I just don't get the same kick out of spirited intellectual debate that you do. Sorry.
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I will settle for name calling.
Bitch.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:45:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:33:06 (#)
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I would think that before you say you would endorse a candidate you would like to know what they think should be done in Iraq, what should be done about immigration (other then just saying reform).
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Yeah... you would think. But I think you're forgetting that I don't really give a shit and I'm more than happy to concede that you're way Internet smarter than I am.
I just don't get the same kick out of spirited intellectual debate that you do. Sorry.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:36:41 EST (#)
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My intention isn't to start a Right vs. Left argument with this post,
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No, but you're hoping somebody does.
Fucking right I would vote for somebody based solely on their race/gender, but I would never publicly admit it.
oops.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:33:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:12:05 (#)
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Well, off the top of my head... She supports a woman's right to choose, she is a strong proponent of civil rights, she supports domestic partnership rights for gay couples, and she is in favor of higher federal funding for health care.
The only issues I can think of that I don't agree with her on are the absolute right to gun ownership guaranteed by the second amendment (I'm for it, she's against it) and drug laws (I am in favor of decriminalizing marijuana and she is not).
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Jeanneee,
Those are pretty broad subjects, that pretty much follow the party line.
I would think that before you say you would endorse a candidate you would like to know what they think should be done in Iraq, what should be done about immigration (other then just saying reform).
I would be suprised if you found any official statement she has made on these topics. the more she can avoid real answers the more she can she is for whatever is popular.
I am sure the Republicans will put out a candidate who is equally vague on real issues, but I am suprised at the number of people who say they like her without her saying what she wants to do on so many of these key issues.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:32:13 EST (#)
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Same with McCain loki. McCain is my first hope. Then Guliani. Then Powell. (I know I am slightly to the right). Those are the guys who I would want leading the country.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:30:17 EST (#)
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The wide right will never ever accept Guilani.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:22:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:08:39 (#)
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Whoa whoa.
John McCain? Rudy Gulieany (fuck I can't spell)? Those guys are pretty hard core. I would vote for either if they make it to the primaries.
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Guilani? I can't spell it either. I like them bnoth as well, but I doubt they will get the nomination.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:22:00 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:17:24 (#)
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Extreme LEFT? there is no left in america, you have two sides; extremely rightwing buerocratic idiots, and amazingly rightwing religious idiots.
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Don't be fucking ignorant.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:17:24 EST (#)
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Submitted by RamenNoodle (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:38:30 (#)
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I dont care if Hillary ran on a "every Clinton voter gets head from a supermodel" platform. I would never ever vote for that convictionless cunt. She has moved towards the center in recent years, because she knows extreme left candidates cant win in todays political climate. This does not mean that she will not immediately go extreme left once she is elected though. I am pretty sure she will win, but God I hope not.
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Extreme LEFT? there is no left in america, you have two sides; extremely rightwing buerocratic idiots, and amazingly rightwing religious idiots.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:14:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:33:54 (#)
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I would vote for a woman to be president. But luckily I am ineligibale to vote due to living in a different country.
I have my own cheeky little voting stystem. Each election I have to vote for a different party- I have voted Lib Dem, Labour, Green, Independant and the senior Citizens party. Also, I once spolied a vote by writing I hate them all instead of putting a cross.
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I can't beleive you'd make a mockery of the system like that...voting Tory, whats wrong with you?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:12:14 EST (#)
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I feel the same way whenever I hear black leaders talking about "community", because by "community" they mean "black people voting for black people"
whereas
If white people insisted on only voting for white people then not only would the black leaders freak, but no black person would ever be elected to anything ever.
Oh but that's different.
somehow
So no I am no more likely to vote for a woman simply because we both sit to pee. In fact, my own dearly loved (cough) representative is none other than the charming Sue Myrick who rather infamously albeit locally had an affair and then went full court press on Bill Clinton for similarly abhorrent behavior.
However, it is true that women and men are held to different standards. A woman boss who is tough is called a bitch and yet a man with those exact same qualities is a go getter.
Its bullshit really it is.
Hillary is far too polarizing to get elected. Maybe she will run, but I doubt she'll get out of the primaries.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:12:05 EST (#)
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Well, off the top of my head... She supports a woman's right to choose, she is a strong proponent of civil rights, she supports domestic partnership rights for gay couples, and she is in favor of higher federal funding for health care.
The only issues I can think of that I don't agree with her on are the absolute right to gun ownership guaranteed by the second amendment (I'm for it, she's against it) and drug laws (I am in favor of decriminalizing marijuana and she is not).
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:08:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:59:02 (#)
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Not that I think the Republicans will put out a candidate with a clear platform and stance on real issues.
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Whoa whoa.
John McCain? Rudy Gulieany (fuck I can't spell)? Those guys are pretty hard core. I would vote for either if they make it to the primaries.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:04:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:00:17 (#)
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If you don't like her, don't vote for her. I don't give a shit.
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I am just curious why you like her? What issues do you agree with her on?
Most people who say they want to vote for her can't give me 5 things she believe in that are serious real issues.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 15:00:17 EST (#)
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If you don't like her, don't vote for her. I don't give a shit.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:59:02 EST (#)
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Not that I think the Republicans will put out a candidate with a clear platform and stance on real issues.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:58:05 EST (#)
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http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/
Well I am about halfway through her topics, and it seems to be filled with fluff. Nothing actually pins here down in any controversial issue.
Civil rights seem only to refer to minorities, women have their own section. No mention of free speech or "wiretapping" issues, but support for hate crimes is pretty important.
Her national security states no policy or strategy she wishes to follow, only that she supports the troops.
I don't know how anyone could be in favor of someone with such an elusive agenda being a presidential candidate.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:55:43 EST (#)
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No.
I vote for the better candidate, regardless.
In 2000 I wasn't quite old enough to vote. Had I been it would've been for Bush. '04 I voted for Kerry. In the last Iowa gubernatorial election I voted for Gross over Vilsack.
If Hilary ran I wouldn't vote for her, regardless of whether or not she was the Dem's nominee. I'd end up voting third party or leaving that space blank before I voted for a candidate I don't think is one that would best serve the US.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:49:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:45:42 (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:39:57 (#)
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I would vote for Hillary if she was a man, a woman, a hermaphrodite, whatever.
I think she is awesome and she would make a great president because she is intelligent, experienced, and I agree with her on many issues.
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What issues? I will admit that I don't go out of my way to follow her, but I read the papers and listen to the news all the time, and I have never heard her make a statement that didn't revolve around being anti-Bush.
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I don't have a unique thought today, because I agree.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:45:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:39:57 (#)
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I would vote for Hillary if she was a man, a woman, a hermaphrodite, whatever.
I think she is awesome and she would make a great president because she is intelligent, experienced, and I agree with her on many issues.
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What issues? I will admit that I don't go out of my way to follow her, but I read the papers and listen to the news all the time, and I have never heard her make a statement that didn't revolve around being anti-Bush.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:43:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:39:53 (#)
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Like the post.
I would not vote for HC for the same reason I would not vote for Jesse Jackson. Neither has sufficient experience to do the job.
The Clintons moved to NY after the election specifically to establish a residence in an exceptionally liberal state from which HC could get a senate seat. That was so obvious it was stupid, though she knew that the media would gloss over it and they certainly did so. She did not campaign outside NYC, Buffalo, and Albany, beacuse that is where the liberal centers are. The rest of the state is largely moderate Republican and she knew she could overwhelm their numbers by taking the urban poor in the metropolitan areas. Idiot New Yorkers elected her partly because she wasn't Republican and partly because they thought it'd be neat-o. I can see them at the ballots, "Heh! Hold my welfare check and watch this! I'm votin' for a broad!" Pitiful.
She has 'moderated' her rhetoric on several issues simply in an attempt to gain some support from the moderate block. She has not changed the few opinions on acual issues that she has made public, only the language in which they are couched. She is as liberal a wolf as ever, in her $1000 sheep's clothing.
With apologies to Douglas Adams, someone who wants to be President so desparately should under no circumstances be allowed to do so. Her motivation is clear: to become President using any means necessary so that she can show up her snivelling husband. That is not good enough for my vote, and I hope it's not good enough for yours.
Sorry to rant, but she is spiteful and needs to be watched.
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I'm sure Douglas Adams is smiling somewhere. And I thought of that quote too.
Hillary is REALLY power hungry. More so than Bush or Bill. I don't trust her. I think more Dem's are rooting for Mark (is it Mark or John? Whichever) Warner to win the Dem presidency.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:39:57 EST (#)
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I would vote for Hillary if she was a man, a woman, a hermaphrodite, whatever.
I think she is awesome and she would make a great president because she is intelligent, experienced, and I agree with her on many issues.
However, I probably wouldn't want her for a shopping buddy... but that's neither here nor there.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:39:53 EST (#)
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Like the post.
I would not vote for HC for the same reason I would not vote for Jesse Jackson. Neither has sufficient experience to do the job.
The Clintons moved to NY after the election specifically to establish a residence in an exceptionally liberal state from which HC could get a senate seat. That was so obvious it was stupid, though she knew that the media would gloss over it and they certainly did so. She did not campaign outside NYC, Buffalo, and Albany, beacuse that is where the liberal centers are. The rest of the state is largely moderate Republican and she knew she could overwhelm their numbers by taking the urban poor in the metropolitan areas. Idiot New Yorkers elected her partly because she wasn't Republican and partly because they thought it'd be neat-o. I can see them at the ballots, "Heh! Hold my welfare check and watch this! I'm votin' for a broad!" Pitiful.
She has 'moderated' her rhetoric on several issues simply in an attempt to gain some support from the moderate block. She has not changed the few opinions on acual issues that she has made public, only the language in which they are couched. She is as liberal a wolf as ever, in her $1000 sheep's clothing.
With apologies to Douglas Adams, someone who wants to be President so desparately should under no circumstances be allowed to do so. Her motivation is clear: to become President using any means necessary so that she can show up her snivelling husband. That is not good enough for my vote, and I hope it's not good enough for yours.
Sorry to rant, but she is spiteful and needs to be watched.
Submitted by userpete86 (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:26:08 EST (#)
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I liked the words "convictionless cunt" used on her.
Submitted by ChurleR (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:16:52 EST (#)
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Hillary is swaying towards the extreme right when it comes to the issue of videogame censorship as well. Not like that's an issue that will effect how the world spins, but it is of major concern to folks opposed to extreme censorship in media.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-01-30 14:07:13 EST (#)
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OMG! imagine condi ran and hilary ran against her. that would be awesome.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:49:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:41:21 (#)
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Do most Dems really want her to run??
she only seems to be in the news now bashing Bush, maybe I have not been following her closely but what does she stand for?
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It's hard to tell what she stands for nowadays. She keeps moving toward the middle in hopes that voters will forget what she USED to stand for. Noodle's right IMO, she's just going to say what she needs to to get elected, then flip back to what she really believes.
"Democrats should know they can't win by simply being anti Bush."
One would have thought they learned that from the last election, since that was Kerry's entire platform.
Submitted by leilani (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:48:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by RamenNoodle (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:38:30 (#)
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I am pretty sure she will win, but God I hope not.
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I am pretty sure a female president will never be elected in our lifetime.
Submitted by JackalFett (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:47:42 EST (#)
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I agree...
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:47:19 EST (#)
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The idea of voting for someone solely because of their faith/gender/ethnicity/hair color/accent is ridiculous.
How far down the "take over for the President" chain is the First Lady? I'd put Hillary in office just so First Man Billy Clittin' could somehow fill in for her.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:45:37 EST (#)
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I'm not much for token minorities, mostly because it's already been done. Want your female world leader? Try Elizabeth I (there were many others before her, but let's not obsess; she's a famous point of reference.) First democratically elected female world leader? Try Margaret Thatcher. If you're trying for famous firsts, why don't we go with the first democratically elected salad fork, or the first defective hard drive to become a tinpot dictator of a small third world country.
If Hillary makes the white house again (with all the bad press, she probably won't,) she should do so on issues. As it stands, I think McCain is set to humiliate her, and I think the Democrats know that. They're doing this to make a statement and show how flipping progressive they are, which, as a Democrat, pisses me off to no end.
And why the hell did you capitalize White, Black etc? They're not even ethnicities; they're just colors.
Submitted by Jacobt26 (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:42:02 EST (#)
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First election I'll be able to vote in, and you dare ask if I'd vote for this cunt because shes a woman?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:41:21 EST (#)
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Do most Dems really want her to run??
she only seems to be in the news now bashing Bush, maybe I have not been following her closely but what does she stand for? Democrats should know they can't win by simply being anti Bush.
Submitted by RamenNoodle (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:38:30 EST (#)
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I dont care if Hillary ran on a "every Clinton voter gets head from a supermodel" platform. I would never ever vote for that convictionless cunt. She has moved towards the center in recent years, because she knows extreme left candidates cant win in todays political climate. This does not mean that she will not immediately go extreme left once she is elected though. I am pretty sure she will win, but God I hope not.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:33:54 EST (#)
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I would vote for a woman to be president. But luckily I am ineligibale to vote due to living in a different country.
I have my own cheeky little voting stystem. Each election I have to vote for a different party- I have voted Lib Dem, Labour, Green, Independant and the senior Citizens party. Also, I once spolied a vote by writing I hate them all instead of putting a cross.
Submitted by leilani (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:33:25 EST (#)
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yeah that is a little weird, and you have to remember that for everyone that would vote for her BECAUSE she is a woman, there is an equal or greater section of the population that would NEVER vote for a woman even if they agreed with her ideology.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:29:24 EST (#)
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I hope all of you knuckleheads vote for Hillary.
It'll be a slam dunk for the Republicans in '08 against her. Does the name Geraldine Ferarro ring a bell? She sunk Mondale in '84.
Why don't you go full out with the sunshiny, rainbow-filled diversity crapola, and make Oprah her running mate?
Submitted by BingBongBing (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:28:46 EST (#)
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nah, i agree, i think youll find that a large majority of people feel the same as you....no matter sex, race, what have you people wont nec. vote for them unless they agree what they say...at least no one with a little sense about them.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:28:29 EST (#)
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I don't like anything she stands for. She is the devil.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-01-30 13:25:08 EST (#)
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I have this same problem talking to people. I want to yell at them "A woman can run the country into the ground just as easily as a man can. Look at the character behind the penis/vagina and find your leader!"