Another Bush Blunder. Go Figure. (Using Eminent Domain to Build Presidential Library) (2151 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-02-21 12:07:41 EST
Southern Methodist University...
Sounds like a premeire institute of higher learning to me. Sounds like the kind of university you'd want to send your children if you didn't want them to be exposed to any of those smartass ideas about men comin' from monkeys and such. Sounds like the kind of university you might attend if your parents always told you your wee wee was for peeing ONLY.
In all fairness, I don't know much about the university, but the Methodist demonination is one of the more 'fire and brimstone' of the Protestant sects, giving the Baptists and the Penecostals a serious run for their money. I've had the displeasure of attending services from all three denominations, and I can honestly say that the Methodist services, at least the ones I've personally attended, were among the most backwoods and marry-your-sister retarded.
The Penecostals had the most lively service, but they were also voted 'Most Likely to Believe that God Lives on a Spaceship'. These are the people that smear oil on themselves, speak in 'tongues', and are laughed at by most every other Christian sect as, and I quote, "horseshit".
Baptist churches are where old people go when their life is over and they're just waiting around to die. The Baptists, like the Puritans before them, pretty much believe that most all forms of fun are 'sinful'. They believe that we are all unclean and sinful creatures, yet they still manage to believe in the perfection of God. How they reconcile that is with one of the oldest literary devices gone awry...The Devil makes us do it! As a sidenote, Baptist churches are the worst smelling churches, with their women contingent thinking it's ok to dump a whole bottle of cheap Avon cologne down their blouses to cover up the smell of dust and rot.
I'm seriously off subject here. One of these days, I'm going to do a definitive study of the various Christian sects - their differences, their similarities, comparisons of how many times during a typical service they say "Amen" or "Praise Jesus". I think the Methodists would definitely hold their own.
Speaking of whom, the Southern Methodist University in Dallas apparently has decided it would not only be the American thing to do, but also the Christian thing to do to use eminent domain laws to force people out of their homes so they can build the George W. Bush Presidential Library. http://www.nysun.com/article/27794
Amid ALL the other scandals and blemishes on this presidency, not only are they going to build Bush a library, but they are going to force people from their homes to do it.
Way to go, Georgie! Keep up the good work! At this rate, the Democratic party should win back the House, Senate, AND the Presidency. Not that I'm complaining. Anything that gets your lying bunch of New World Order neocons out of office is ok with me. What kind of 'books' are you going to fill this 'library' with anyway? Will there be any on NUkUlar warfare? Will any of them be more than 10 pages long? Will they have them thar newfangled pict-o-graphic imagez in them?
As Americans, we've come to accept that our presidents aren't perfect. We know that everyone makes mistakes here and there - but the relentless DISASTER that has been the Bush presidency is unprecedented in the history of this country. The sheer number and depth of the blunders of this administration have been written about too much already to be repeated here, so suffice it to say this Presidential Library thing is just another nail in the coffin of the president and the sinking ship that is the Republican party. Well, maybe not the FINAL nail...
Ignorance is often a perpetual state of being; like missing a chromosome, it's not something that's easily repaired. In short, never underestimate the resiliency of stupidity. It tends to spread like a weed...and not even the good kind.
Give it another 20-30 years, though. Let the baby boomers and the WWWII generation die off, let broadband internet into the largely ignorant bible-belt otherwise known as the heartland, maybe then things will improve. Maybe then we'll reach a point where these baboons and their gibbon minions aren't able to get 50.0000000001% of the American vote.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-22 12:50:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 20:00:51 (#)
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And if Bush approves it, then he is blatantly ignoring the law and pursuing some agenda while damaging the environment or some shit.
There isn't anything he could do that could please certain people.
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No Stabkill, I think you underestimate people's willingness to understand and even forgive their president. If only he would EXPLAIN what he's doing.
This president has a great ability to explain things in layman's terms and level with people when he wants to. He has a great ability to make common sense to people when he wants to. If he were to come out and say, "Look, under normal circumstances, the federal government would never place these trailors in a floodplain because we feel there is an outside risk it could be harmful to our citizens. But these aren't 'normal circumstances', and the current risks of people being harmed because they're homeless, desperate, and have nowhere to turn are the more pressing dangers.
In everything we do there is risk, even if it's stepping out your front door in the morning, but we have to do everything we can to help our own people in their time of need, and if that means accepting the risk of placing these trailors in a floodplain temporarily until a more suitable compromise can be reached, we have no alternative."
Even if some people got in an uproar over that, Stabkill, which I don't think many would do, they would not be listened to, and they would be dismissed as idiots, because if the president did that, he would be doing the RIGHT THING.
That's what politics is SUPPOSED to be about - discovering what the RIGHT THING is and relating that to the people of the country. Even if he had to have fireside chats via radio and TV with the American people every single week to keep the country together, he should be doing that. Instead he is ignoring the problem and further dividing people along political lines.
This is an unfortunate attribute in a leader.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-02-22 12:44:02 EST (#)
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"Mr. Vodicka's lawsuit, filed in the fall, seeks to prevent the university, which officially bought the property in mid-December but issued vacate notices last spring, from destroying the condominiums by declaring the university's actions in obtaining the property to be illegal."
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They were 'illegally' purchased? What, were they stolen?
oh and btw, Methodists are not 'fire and brimstone' types, quite the opposite.
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-02-22 03:34:19 EST (#)
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but the Methodist demonination is one of the more 'fire and brimstone' of the Protestant sects, giving the Baptists and the Penecostals a serious run for their money
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You're horrendously misinformed.
Submitted by SiddleyHawker (user info) at 2006-02-22 03:33:02 EST (#)
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WTF? I'm not reading all that.
Furthermore, why do I care? I live in that big cold country north of the United States
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-02-22 02:44:37 EST (#)
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democrats nothing.
it was wacko liberal justices that support eminant domain.
and yeah, so you got a neocon using it.
so what.
your mind is so bent on hating traditionalists you fail to have an open mind about things.
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2006-02-21 22:31:44 EST (#)
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You're way off. SMU is a pretty good school, actually.
And I was raised in a methodist church, (yes, in Texas) and though I no longer attend any kind of church or religious function, I can tell you that the methodists are hardly "fire and brimstone" and that they NEVER exclaim "Amen!" or "Praise Jesus!"
Not that I'm defending them, OR Bush, whom I wholeheartedly hate.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 20:00:51 EST (#)
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And if Bush approves it, then he is blatantly ignoring the law and pursuing some agenda while damaging the environment or some shit.
There isn't anything he could do that could please certain people.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 18:32:52 EST (#)
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Oxy: Think of this as a parallel to the hurricane Katrina disaster. As in that case, the buck stops that the president.
On the Katrina side, the president has the power to ask for the resignation of anyone in FEMA, to be apprised to the situation, to declare marshall law as needed, to pull strings to bypass certain red tape (that's STILL IN THE WAY of getting trailors to people), to conduct meetings with the local and state government to decide what is the best way to handle what he declared a "NATIONAL" Disaster, but he didn't do it.
In this instance, the president has the final say as well. The buck again stops with him. If he sees injustice being done in the execution of something that is being done on his behalf, he has more than enough authority to halt the project until a suitable alternative is attained. Here again, he is undoubtedly apprised of the situation and has every opportunity to weigh in with the kind of veto authority a president SHOULD be able to weild, but he isn't doing it.
In short, this president stands for NOTHING. He is a true coward and is of the lowest moral and ethical character imaginable for a president. He has no principles and is too afraid to stand up for what is right even if it means cutting some red tape or lobbying local governments for reforms or amendments that hold up crucial progress.
Every night I watch CNN and see on Anderson Cooper 360 how the FEMA trailors that were meant to go to Katrina victims are just sinking into a muddy pasture in Arkansas because of some bullshit state ordinance about not putting trailors in flood plains. The president of the United States has the authority, especially in a time of NATIONAL DISASTER, to authorize a temporary reprieve from that law so that people can get the help they so desperately require. But he isn't doing it.
Yet, we've seen over and over again that he's had no qualms about outright breaking the law, bypassing Congress and the courts, so he can wiretap his own citizens without oversight.
That's what I call a piece of shit leader. In fact, I can't even call him a leader. He's a fucking puppet and a COWARD.
Most of us on ubersite have more leadership skills in our pinky toes than this man does in his whole body...and that's S.A.D.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-02-21 18:12:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 17:11:10 (#)
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No, you're wrong. Bush is responsible for approving the plans for his presidential library.
All presidents are.
They accept proposals and choose one of them.
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Yeah, that's it. He doesn't do anything else. He's not in on the development of it, just the overall look and contents of the library.
He is not the one taking land from people, the school is. And furthermore, the city/county controllers where the school is are the people that decide eminant domain.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 17:25:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:26:39 (#)
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I don't blame the Democrats for the trash-talking about the economy though, by the way. Both political parties likes to try to get political gains by not exactly speaking the truth because it doesn't serve their purpose. I think that is bad, but they all do it.
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Stabkill, I appreciate your views on the economic side of things. You're right about the problems with China and immigration, but that's not all of it. Wal-Mart can pay what they pay not only because of immigration (where I live, there are few immigrants but these jobs are filled by Americans with few other options), the problem is with little government trust-busting and regulation on big business. Beisdes the minimum wage being overwhelmingly low, Wal-Mart and businesses like it have driven out all the retail competition, and higher wage industrial production jobs are gone to China.
The reality now is, unless you're in lower-wage service or retail, you can't find a job.
The NUMBER of jobs says nothing about the QUALITY of those jobs, that's why I cringe whenever I hear Bush proudly wave the 4-5% unemployment rate as a sign he's doing a good job, because this number hides the deeper reality that our country is LESS independant and self-sufficient than it was 5 years ago when he took office.
He's ruining our economy. The full effects of his damage haven't hit us yet, but one day very soon, perhaps this spring when Iran switches to the eurodollar, we will all see just how badly we've been hurt by the $700 Billion per year deficits.
You know this to be true.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 17:11:10 EST (#)
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No, you're wrong. Bush is responsible for approving the plans for his presidential library.
All presidents are.
They accept proposals and choose one of them.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-02-21 16:54:21 EST (#)
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Hey ETS...do you write anything other than Anti-Bush rants?
You do know that Presidential libraries are not built by the president right? Or, that he doesn't have much say in the building/running of said library? These libraries are funded by donations and, run by committies of the president's supporters.
To blame Bush for any of this is ignoRANT
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 16:36:00 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-02-21 16:23:58 (#)
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I'm glad my life doesn't revolve around this shit.
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You know, mine didn't either once upon a time...
You know before our president's idiotic decisions started affecting my life, if not directly, at least potentially.
On our present course, the US Dollar is about to take a huge CRAP. This is the fault of an administration whose budgets are irresponsible, unrealistic, and the direct result of poor decision and policy making. Because of their lack of priorities and their insistance in getting us into foreign conflicts to preserve dollar hegemony and the petrodollar under the false pretense of dismantling WMDs in the "axis of evil" country of Iraq, they have managed to worsen our situation and credability the world over, and our children will pay the price.
So, yes, this IS my life. And whether you choose to see it or not, it's yours too.
Submitted by Drone_of_Industry (user info) at 2006-02-21 16:34:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 16:26:19 EST (#)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I just noticed one of the the google adverts on this post reads:
"CATHOLICS vs. PROTESTANTS
An essay discussing the relations between
Catholics and CHRISTIANS"
Am I the only one who sees the hilarity in that? :P
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-02-21 16:23:58 EST (#)
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I'm glad my life doesn't revolve around this shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 16:03:30 EST (#)
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Johny: I did read the thing, and I saw the story, along with an interview with the plaintiff, on Tucker Carlson's show last night on MSNBC.
The plaintiff alleges that the property was seized under illegal pretenses. I linked you all to the article and made a brief comment on it. I'm not twisting facts or hiding information. I gave you my sources. Drawing your own conclusion is, of course, your prerogative, but do not accuse me of trying to mislead anyone here, because that was clearly not done.
"Mr. Vodicka's lawsuit, filed in the fall, seeks to prevent the university, which officially bought the property in mid-December but issued vacate notices last spring, from destroying the condominiums by declaring the university's actions in obtaining the property to be illegal."
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 15:23:13 EST (#)
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ok well i'll start from the top. it's a good thing i'm just doing ids today because really otherwise i wouldn't have gotten shit done just replying to all this.
1) eminent domain is pretty much impossible to fight here. stamford ct is a big FUCK YOU little guy kinda place. tough shit. maybe where there's more land, but when it comes down to it around here, you're fucked if someone can pay more but it's like that most places.
2) i might move to canada because at least there when i have a job i'll have healthcare and education covered except for $2k a year i'm just going to stay far far away from caul.
3) if someone does something, not just talks about it, but does it then what's to say they won't do it again. that's where the term repeat offender comes from. like when someone's brought up on rape/murder/extortion/carjacking/domestic violence/arson and the like, and then found guilty then they have a history of it. i think they should be tagged for stuff. like the way child molestors should be registered, sex offenders that stuff. if someone shoots and kills someone else, does 10 years on good behavior gets out on parole and then ends up with a commuted sentence left over in just probation, i don't think they should be allowed to purchase anything deemed as a weapon, gun, butcher knife, sporting equipment, what have you. alot of times violent offenders, when finally prosecuted and found guilty, have been through the system a few times. why trust people who have proven they can't be trusted before? it's actually fairly lenient the way i'd have it. you get your one chance, you fuck up we watch you, you do it again we take away your rights.
and that is lenient because it allows for every mistake once and, probably in poor judgment, doesn't allow for the separation between idle threats and precursors to actual motions on those threats.
the right to privacy is a touchy thing. yes, people like it, need it, really for the most part have it and it works well. at the same time the right to privacy is what keeps people from saying it's my house i'll beat you if i damn well please. i think there should be an extensive, preferably exhaustive, cataloguing of criminals of all sorts and that the networks keeping track of all this should be severely overhauled and available to the public.
when people go to prison they are supposed to lose their right to privacy because they've taken the right of another citizen away for whatever reason. i WANT to know what my neighbors have done to other people in the past. i WANT to have it available to me that this person has been caught and tried and found guilty of rape, murder, burglary, etc. i think this information should be for the public to decide what to do with though not just the few politicians and people that collect it.
unfortunately i also think most people are too stupid to keep a level head when they do get certain information. that's why i'd never vote for any spying anyway because unless we go brave new world on the way this one is created it won't matter because there's no way to judge the way individuals will react to the same sets of circumstances.
in summation... yeah i'm long-winded but i think that if people are PROVEN, not suspected, to have commited crimes they should be stalked so they don't do it again. never gonna happen though.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-02-21 15:12:03 EST (#)
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Jesus.
Did you even READ the article, ETS?
Go ahead, read it, I'll wait.
Okay, Did you read ALL of it?
Did you read the part about how the university ALREADY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY?
Eminent Domain requires the seizing of property - in this case the university is the legal owner, therefore, eminent domain cannot exist. You'll note if you bothered to pay attention, that Vodicka refers to 'the spirit of eminent domain'...that is not the same as ACTUAL eminent domain.
Look dude, I think George W. Bush is a complete idiot too, but you do a HUGE disservice to your cause when you deliberately misstate facts, use faulty sources, and just play fast and loose with the truth.
You realize, that puts you on par with those same people you so despise as liars and cheats.
I've called you out on this shit more that once, dude - this is why I have pretty much dismissed everything you write nowadays...even on issues I agree with you on, I've just come to the conclusion that your 'sources' are always bullshit (and I'm right).
If I feel that way, how many other people do you think around here feel that way?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:53:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:42:32 (#)
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yeah eminent domain is sure fucking up my hometown. god i hope i can move soon.
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To where? Unless you're getting out of the country, it's just going to follow you.
I think it's important to fight the just battles wherever they find us.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:52:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:01:15 (#)
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...and ya know personally i have no problem if they really do want to profile and watch people that are dangerous...
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How are you defining dangerous?
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real simple to me. i'm not talking about preemptive shit. i think if you're doing it just out of pure paranoia it's a bad idea and you're asking for trouble. i'm talking about done it before, tough shit now we're up your ass for the rest of your life. like criminals that use guns shouldn't be allowed to use a gun ever again kind of deal. do it once and be damned forever. get busted once well that's your second chance, do it again and you deserve to get fucked over. that's really my only definition of dangerous as far as american citizens go. other than that i think the danger list for countries is a good place to start looking for people who are going to do bad things. i mean when there's a general consensus of western countries saying hey don't go to libya, maybe we should be a little wary of libyans moving here. people who have a proven history, i think, need supervision. countries that have a history of violent acts, and not just against america, should be given a wide birth and a cautious approach with their immigrating citizens.
again, i could think this still just because i doubt i'd be one hauled off to a secret prison. seriously, i have family members who are in the ira and when they fled ireland, in the 70's not a century ago, and became gun runners for them i would NOT be the first to stand in defense of their privacy rights. i don't believe that NI is part of england, i do believe that it's wrong to ship guns around although really, in that war, there seems to be little anything anyone could do to stop the violence on both sides. i'd expect them to be watched carefully because they have a history of violent crime. their dealings with certain people should also be watched carefully.
dangerous, to me, is a proven track record, ie one act of conscious violence. in the end i guess it's not a big deal to me cuz i don't do anything really illegal besides speeding. like drunk drivers shouldn't ever get their licenses. parents who abuse children shouldn't be given another chance to do it again. i'm all for people hurting themselves if they damn well please, but if it really affects other people i'd rather have a cop breathing down their necks because they fucked up just once. i still think it should be based on actions not words though. that i'd have to fine tune my theory on.
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This opinion puts you just one small step away from the Fourth Reich.
As democratic societies and lovers of the high concept of freedom, it is our duty to uphold the virtues of a system wherein a person is innocent until proven guilty, where we are allowed to speak our minds (even if we're wrong), and where even our 'enemies' are deserving of the same humanitarian and civil rights as one of our citizens.
It is only through staunch vigilance in the face of these opposing forces of democracy and a reaffirmation of democracy's precepts that justice and freedom will prevail in the world.
The 'bad guys' will always change as the media and political leaders convince us who is right and who is wrong in the world, but the institution of democracy will outlive them all. It is one of the highest creations of man. It is bigger than just one President or one Prime Minister. It is greater than just one generation. It transcends all boundaries - religious, economical, political, and social.
To allow fear to cause the abandonment of principle is to admit defeat...and worse still, it's to become the very thing you were fighting against in the first place.
Goddamn, I should write speeches. I almost made myself cry there. :P
Submitted by iamhewhoisnot (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:48:57 EST (#)
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the houses in that area are not cheap...University/Highland Park is some of the most expensive real estate in Dallas.
Believe me, their "fair price" will be in the 400 - 800 k range. if they are condos, think millions for the building with each unit owner getting quite a pretty penny as well...
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:42:32 EST (#)
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yeah eminent domain is sure fucking up my hometown. god i hope i can move soon.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:40:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:25:39 (#)
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Libraries should only be built for good presidents.
Oh, and why should a religious university get to use eminent domain? I thought only government institutions could use that.
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Not since the Supreme Court ruling on the issue late last year. Now PRIVATE COMPANIES can take your land if the local authorities deem it in the best interest of the local citizens as a whole.
This means that if Wal-Mart felt so inclined, they could bulldoze your perfectly good and livable home and put up a parking lot as long as they can convince the local government to approve it.
This isn't just a localized problem. This is the end of the American Dream as we know it:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/60minutes/main575343.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-02-20-ohioeminentdomain_x.htm
http://www.reason.org/eminentdomain/
I could give you examples of how this is being abused all day. Just google and see for yourself.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:38:23 EST (#)
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I'm not reading all your guys bullshit but this is happening in OH too I think. I heard on the news a condo/retail developr convinced a mayor to allow eminent domain to take over a neighborhood saying it would generate revenue for the city. Fuck the people who own those houses this developer needs that land in order to get rich
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:01:15 (#)
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...and ya know personally i have no problem if they really do want to profile and watch people that are dangerous...
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How are you defining dangerous?
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real simple to me. i'm not talking about preemptive shit. i think if you're doing it just out of pure paranoia it's a bad idea and you're asking for trouble. i'm talking about done it before, tough shit now we're up your ass for the rest of your life. like criminals that use guns shouldn't be allowed to use a gun ever again kind of deal. do it once and be damned forever. get busted once well that's your second chance, do it again and you deserve to get fucked over. that's really my only definition of dangerous as far as american citizens go. other than that i think the danger list for countries is a good place to start looking for people who are going to do bad things. i mean when there's a general consensus of western countries saying hey don't go to libya, maybe we should be a little wary of libyans moving here. people who have a proven history, i think, need supervision. countries that have a history of violent acts, and not just against america, should be given a wide birth and a cautious approach with their immigrating citizens.
again, i could think this still just because i doubt i'd be one hauled off to a secret prison. seriously, i have family members who are in the ira and when they fled ireland, in the 70's not a century ago, and became gun runners for them i would NOT be the first to stand in defense of their privacy rights. i don't believe that NI is part of england, i do believe that it's wrong to ship guns around although really, in that war, there seems to be little anything anyone could do to stop the violence on both sides. i'd expect them to be watched carefully because they have a history of violent crime. their dealings with certain people should also be watched carefully.
dangerous, to me, is a proven track record, ie one act of conscious violence. in the end i guess it's not a big deal to me cuz i don't do anything really illegal besides speeding. like drunk drivers shouldn't ever get their licenses. parents who abuse children shouldn't be given another chance to do it again. i'm all for people hurting themselves if they damn well please, but if it really affects other people i'd rather have a cop breathing down their necks because they fucked up just once. i still think it should be based on actions not words though. that i'd have to fine tune my theory on.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:34:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:17:59 (#)
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I honestly want to know if you feel even the smallest bit guilty for being responsible for setting out this false information.
Look at poor Jpeg down there. He's going to believe everything you've written here just because he wants to. You're feeding into his biases.
You could have mentioned that the decision on where the Presidential library is going to be won't be announced until on or around March 31, but you didn't. You chose instead to say that Bush is evicting poor little condo residents through Eminant Domain.
You could have mentioned that Baylor, Texas Tech and several other colleges were potential locations for the library, but you didn't.
Go ahead and lambast "the media" but you're the one who didn't even read the story you attribute all this shit to.
I find your comments about ignorance to be highly amusing in this light.
I think that's about all I have to say about this.
Good day.
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I'm going by what was reported LAST NIGHT on Tucker Carlson's program. Apparently, according to his show, it's a done deal. The university wants to begin bulldozing on Wednesday and the only thing standing in their way is the injunction put forth by the owner of the condo, which is in court as we speak.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:26:39 EST (#)
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I don't blame the Democrats for the trash-talking about the economy though, by the way. Both political parties likes to try to get political gains by not exactly speaking the truth because it doesn't serve their purpose. I think that is bad, but they all do it.
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:25:39 EST (#)
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Libraries should only be built for good presidents.
Oh, and why should a religious university get to use eminent domain? I thought only government institutions could use that.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:19:23 EST (#)
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Everyone is bashing the economy as it "blows" etc, but in reality ... that is just the political trash-talking you hear from the democrats. Our trade deficit and national debt are serious issues, obviously...but our economy has, overall, done well after 9/11. Much better than most of the world, I might add.
Unemployment is lower than it has been in a long time, although wages appear down. I'd say it has something to do with illegals along with that exporting of jobs to China. The fact wal-mart can give people $6/hr, or whatever low wage they offer, is because people WILL TAKE THOSE JOBS. If people don't take the jobs, they have to offer more. This is a fact.
Let illegals in that will work for less, and that's what we will get. So we get squeezed all over.
Economics is a touchy issue because if you think that instantly cutting goverment deficit spending is a good thing, you'll say otherwise after a recession after doing so.
I think the government has overspent and this has falsely made the economy stronger...but who knows, that's just my opinion. And I do believe this will bite us in the ass in the end.
When the economy does good, we're supposed to pay off our debts so we can have an option the next time the economy starts to hurt...other than inflation though the god damned roof.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:18:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:01:15 (#)
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...and ya know personally i have no problem if they really do want to profile and watch people that are dangerous...
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How are you defining dangerous? And what happens when the state decides that something you're doing is a danger to society? If you're prepared to sacrifice your freedom to curtail the freedom of a handful of mysterious and loosely defined 'others' then you WILL get fucked over.
And it's not like it hasn't already happened. What about that guy shipped out to afghanistan, kept in solitary confinement for five months whilst he got the fuck beaten out of him only to have the CIA turn around and say "oh, sorry, we made a mistake" - when they come knocking on your door it will be too late to grow a conscience about something that you already know is wrong.
You do not answer to your government - your government is there to answer to you.
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:17:59 EST (#)
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I honestly want to know if you feel even the smallest bit guilty for being responsible for setting out this false information.
Look at poor Jpeg down there. He's going to believe everything you've written here just because he wants to. You're feeding into his biases.
You could have mentioned that the decision on where the Presidential library is going to be won't be announced until on or around March 31, but you didn't. You chose instead to say that Bush is evicting poor little condo residents through Eminant Domain.
You could have mentioned that Baylor, Texas Tech and several other colleges were potential locations for the library, but you didn't.
Go ahead and lambast "the media" but you're the one who didn't even read the story you attribute all this shit to.
I find your comments about ignorance to be highly amusing in this light.
I think that's about all I have to say about this.
Good day.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:04:40 EST (#)
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+2.
But isn't it funny that they're using eminent domain, which the conservative side of the Supre,e Court was all in arms about?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 14:01:15 EST (#)
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Wait till we get a Democratic president or a Democratically controlled Congress who do NOTHING for the American people like this Congress and president have, and I'll SHOW you just how non-partisan I can be.
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i'm sure you could find examples right now of dems doing dumbshit things. and christ i don't think i can wait that long on ubersite. congratulations on turning on my brain for the day. katrina was also alot more complicated than just bush/fema fucked up. granted i'm not saying anything about that was done right really, but that was a big all around fuck up not just all on one side.
wiretaps and spying, yeah well every president has his ways of getting info. information is tracked, it may be done illegally, but it's done all the time there's shit you can do about it, and ya know personally i have no problem if they really do want to profile and watch people that are dangerous. psycho fundies are psycho fundies, it sucks but profiling based on certain triggers really is useful. it's a real dick thing to do, but honestly, the best way to find out secrets is to lie, cheat, and steal. sad but true. like the cia can't use torture tactics so army interrogators will hand over iraqi prisoners to iraqi police/military to get the info out of them because they know who they're afraid of. sometimes the worst ways get the best results. maybe i'm just saying this cuz i doubt i'd really be put in jail or i haven't had the same experiences as the people being stalked, but when it comes down to it you can't argue with spying and beatings effectiveness, even if it's wrong.
yes the economy blows. we went from a 4.1 unemployment rate to somewhere around 8 or 9% in just the first bush term. however, stock market's up so it's not all bad. blame the economic problems on walmart, it's easier. actually i'm surprised that the stock market's back over 10k, and actually well over it cuz i was waiting for a big dip on that one.
and i told you you don't know your churches. you just said blue states don't count because that would mean your judgment of a methodist church would be based on the people there and not the writings of the church itself. um HELLO. different areas have different people, in the case of most christian sects i'd seriously agree to shooting the messengers because of the message they get out. that is still NOT because they are methodist it's because they are backwater sister fucking sheep raping hicks.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:53:00 EST (#)
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Obviously many of you have never been to a Methodist church in Kentucky.
If you live in a blue state or a big city, all bets are off. I'm talking about the heartland here... You know...the reason people like Bush are in office...
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:49:37 EST (#)
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What does Bush have to gain by spying on citizens with wiretaps, ETS?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:44:08 EST (#)
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Are they putting the UAE government in charge of the library like they are port security?
woo hoo go plastic sheeting and duct tape
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:43:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:17:36 (#)
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if you're "filling a niche" and you do so by pointing out ONE SIDE's mistakes than that's not a fair, impartial view. it's not seeing both sides of something, it's just arguing for the sake of arguing. you don't seem stupid, but it's a stupid idea to pick a side just because alot of people are on the other one. you are not a rebellious teenager any more, the reasoning that because one side is over represented in your eyes is not a reason to just say well fuck all it must be all their fault again. and there are worse presidents in the line you just have to compare them to their own times not to the times before them.
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I don't choose a side just because no one is on it. I choose it because I feel it's right. I might seem to many of you like a 'liberal' or an anti-conservative simply because I came to ubersite in 2004. Bush has been in office the whole time I've been here. You have no idea what I'm like when the other side commits similarly stupid acts.
I don't CARE who is committing the wrong act. If I see it's wrong, I will say something about it.
Right now, it's the BUSH ADMINISTRATION who has so far taken us to war under false and fabricated pretexts, spied on its own citiznery ILLEGALLY without warrants (which is the key here), botched up the Katrina recovery (a recovery STILL being botched), contributed to the degradation of our environment by doing NOTHING to curb or even ACKNOWLEDGE global warming as the serious issue it is, has given us the LARGEST budget and trade shortfalls of ANY COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE FUCKING WORLD (look it up!)........
This list is virtually ENDLESS. And some of you have the audacity to even have to ASK why I attack these people, or suggest that I'm simply playing a partisan card.
Look, people, even Bush's own party are finally trying to distance themselves from him on the eve of this year's elections. This means they will either start doing their fucking jobs, or they are cowards and scared of the voters (who are slowly wisening up to precisely the things I'm talking about here). By money is on the latter.
Wait till we get a Democratic president or a Democratically controlled Congress who do NOTHING for the American people like this Congress and president have, and I'll SHOW you just how non-partisan I can be.
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:38:29 EST (#)
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Shine on you crazy diamond.
I really don't have time to play today, =(, but I just thought I'd point out a couple things (which may have already been pointed out).
1) The location of the George W. Bush Presidential Library hasn't even been decided yet. It only says that Southern Methodist is in the running. Try reading ALL of the words.
2) Methodists, yes. Fire and brimstone are the two words that always come to mind when I hear the word "Methodist." Well, "fire," "brimstone," and "gay marriage." Oh yeah, aren't the Methodists the ones that keep causing all the controversy because their ministers keep marrying gay people? Yeah. I guess they are. Practically Amish Quakers those Methodists.
I hope this is another attempt at heat, because if it isn't, you just suck so much I can't even begin to describe it. I know you are smarter than this.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:35:09 EST (#)
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yeah we used to have more parties to choose from. they just eventually dwindled and converged into two main. but really, why form a third party, maybe voting should be opened up a little more to allow individuals an easier chance to just get on the ballot. and we need to get rid of the electoral college. none of this wins the popular but loses the electoral vote. we don't have slaves any more we don't need that crap.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:33:12 EST (#)
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and you can find instances of ALL the us presidents being reckless and arrogant for what THEY see as betterment of the nation. shit it's not like all of the country agreed with lincoln freeing the slaves, ww1? the depression? vietnam? most of america in the beginning couldn't see why george washington shouldn't be king and not president. republicans in an uproar over term limitations because of fdr? (which i agree was a good idea). i will not give bush the benefit of the doubt on most of his actions because they do directly affect my life, but at the same time i can't see you pointing him out for being reckless and arrogant when those are the qualities that basically get you elected to any office in the first place in america. bill clinton was a complete asshole, he fucked quite a few things over, yes i realize a blow job is not the same as a war. reagan? oh sweet jesus did his policies screw up alot of things, the first george bush? relatively unmentionable except for a short stint in iraq chapter 1. seriously. bush, an asshole, is still not the only arrogant reckless leader this country has, he is not the worst, but he's far from the best.
and no, i didn't vote for him.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:29:33 EST (#)
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Well +2 for your more level-headed responses below. The one against the media is absolutely correct...even if that is a terrible truth.
I wish we had more political parties to choose from. If the democrats face severe setbacks in 2006 and 2008 after the Republicans constantly hurt themselves, you will see something big happen for the first time in many, many years. I'd love that party to splinter. The leftists can go to hell, and the moderates can revamp their platform to today's standards and totally get my vote.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:27:30 EST (#)
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we do have a third party. it's ralph nader and 60 hippies. duh.
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:25:36 EST (#)
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Where are they building a movie theatre for Stevie Wonder then?
I like to read you folk picking on eachother, Liberals, Conservatives, Democrats and Republicans. Doesn't it make more sense to get involved in what you think is the right thing instead of pointing out the bad in other stances?
The Beasty Boys were right when they stated: You've gotta fight for the right to party.
George W. should be confronted with such a fight as he's already partying on your costs.
Salaam.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:23:02 EST (#)
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To elaborate on my point about the 'real' news... Stabkill gave us a perfect example below. He researched for himself and in 10 minutes found an article talking about how the Clinton library faced the same sort of setbacks and eminent domain abuses. So what he's done is given us a fuller perspecitve of the issue, which is what these reviews and conversations SHOULD be all about here. He's shown that the issue is NOT a liberal OR a conservative issue, but an AMERICAN issue. I never disputed that, as the record will show on ALL my previous reviews on posts such as this.
The purpose of my article here, and my title suggests this, was not that 'OH MY GOD Bush is doing this and it's unthinkable or unprecedented'. The purpose was to illustrate that not everyone is what they seem. Politics is about saying "LOOK AT WHAT THE OTHER SIDE JUST DID! We here on THIS side would never do something like that!" Then they turn around and do it.
Again, another reason we need a third party in politics. (Are you getting the jist of my agenda here yet?)
The problem with the Bush administration is that it's reckless and arrogant and seems to have the Congress by the balls for some reason.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:22:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:26:59 (#)
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you really really suck at knowing your churches. sorry, there's some real nutjobs out there. but you REALLY need to research the actual tenets of the churches and not the fuckups that go to them. the fuckups also vary from region to region, il isn't the most forward thinking state either once you get away from chi or st louis so really, think about the demographics of the state vs what the actual church structure is. stick to politics, you actually seem to read about that stuff a little more.
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That's for sure. Go an hour away from any of the megacities in IL and you'll be smack in the middle of Bible-thumpin', Pug hillbillies.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:19:43 EST (#)
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i read cnn.com every day. i watch the news. sure it's got a bunch of stories that aren't heart-wrenching news stories, but they are necessary to balance out the other shit. i think your cynical views go to shit when you start trying to tell me that the internet is a valid source for gathering concrete information. i'm pretty sure most of the internet is full of crack pot sources with conspiricy theories and apocolyptic predictions at every turn. i'm not saying there aren't good sources out there, but i'll leave the work that i trust up to the journalists on tv and in major print networks.
oh, and maybe that's what the government wants. whoop-dee-do. i still live in an awesome city, with a great group of friends and family, and as far as i can tell, if someone starts fucking with my shit, the government is going to step in and help me out.
i'll take that, mr. ets.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:19:20 EST (#)
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then*
fucking brain.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:17:36 EST (#)
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if you're "filling a niche" and you do so by pointing out ONE SIDE's mistakes than that's not a fair, impartial view. it's not seeing both sides of something, it's just arguing for the sake of arguing. you don't seem stupid, but it's a stupid idea to pick a side just because alot of people are on the other one. you are not a rebellious teenager any more, the reasoning that because one side is over represented in your eyes is not a reason to just say well fuck all it must be all their fault again. and there are worse presidents in the line you just have to compare them to their own times not to the times before them.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:10:27 EST (#)
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Nevermind, looks like Bush has something to do with the location selection.
This post is still less than a 0.
Submitted by simple_catalyst (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:07:50 EST (#)
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meh.
and stab and elec:
what do you expect, govt. exist for only one purpose.
like cancer.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:07:38 EST (#)
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Bush isn't building the Library.
The most recent Supreme court ruling that expanded the power of emminent domain was not supported by Bush, or the types ofJustices that Bush would appoint.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:06:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:43:36 (#)
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dude, you focus on conservative fuck ups all the time. so in response to that mini rant - you first.
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That's cause I'm filling the niche on this website. There are PLENTY of other people like Stabkill and Indoninja who will make every effot to point out the 'liberal' fuck ups.
I'm just balancing the beam.
Plus, we've got a 'conservative' president who just happens to be the worst this country has ever seen, so my job is really easy.
I rarely break issues down along lines of 'conservative' or 'liberal'. For me, there are only stupid people with stupid ideas, and smart people with smart ideas. That's it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:04:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:40:06 (#)
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i'm pretty sure the owners of the condos approved this, or are getting a great price for the land. if they were getting screwed, this would be real news.
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REAL NEWS?
Is the rumor of Tom Cruise and what's her face's breakup REAL news?
I was watching CNN last night and actually saw a RERUN news story on Anderon Cooper 360! A RERUN news story. I'd seem the same puff piece a week ago. Anderson Cooper is following pretty much only one serious news story right now, and that's the Hurricane Katrina "Keeping Them Honest" piece.
I was watching Keith Oberman on MSNBC last night as well and he said in the middle of his show, "And now for more things my producers make me report on." Then he proceeded to give us the latest Hollywood scoop. He knows it's bullshit. He knows it's not the REAL news.
Larry King Live. He had the fuckers from Family Ties or something on the other night. In a world where Iran is trying to get nukes, our budget deficit is over $600 BILLION a year, a scandal is on wherein the president of the United States admits to spying on people against the law, Larry King is Dancing With the Stars and talking to Kirk Cameron about his career since his TV show. Is THAT the REAL news?
The producers of all the shows on CNN, Fox, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC all have a certain numbers on paper giving them a certain amount of data about what kind of people watch their news shows, and they cater to those people...not to mention keep their mouths shut when they are PAID to keep their mouths shut, or sweep stories under the rug or a mountain of bullshit like a Cheney shooting - even going so far as to DISCREDIT the REAL news by making your average, can't-think-for-himself Joe Blow believe the news is horseshit.
And he'd be right.
But, the problem is the people in middle America are being trained to be docile and productive, non-questioning, uninformed imiciles with no idea what real news is.
Shut up and buy this...THAT is the message. It has nothing to do with 'REAL' news.
This is why I read the internet. It's about as close to 'REAL' news as you're gonna get, if for nothing else than because you can investigate the source of the news for YOURSELF and think for YOURSELF what you believe based on a mountain of evidence from disparate sources...not just from the mouth of people on a political payroll like Scarborough, O'Reilley or Carlson.
Journalists in the vein of Walter Cronkite are a dying breed. They are now nothing more than a commodity and a puppet to a producer who chooses what they report on. There is no such thing as 'REAL' news now unless you're willing to find it for yourself.
Submitted by simple_catalyst (user info) at 2006-02-21 13:03:53 EST (#)
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ok, i stopped at methodist are fire and brimstone...
maybe someplace, but being razed methodist, the people at my church
were LAID back. really. didn't give a flying fuck.
they were 'babtist ultra-light'
now i'll finish and rank accordingly with the rest...
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:53:56 EST (#)
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ya know stabkill..... you can always buy an old abandoned missile silo from the government. saves on construction costs. makes me want my own little fort.
nra 4ever.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:53:23 EST (#)
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http://www.ala.org/al_onlineTemplate.cfm?Section=april2000&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=3492
He lost.
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/statSe.htm
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:49:20 EST (#)
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The ACLU AND the NRA suck ass. They are both extreme groups with an alarmest mentality that is ridiculous. After picking up NRA propaganda, it makes you want to buy land in South Dakota and start on building a bunker 100 feet below the earth.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:47:18 EST (#)
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yeah, but it's probably only poor people's houses.
Kinda fitting really, the memorial to Bush is made by shitting on the poor.
OH MY GOD.
I've just realised, I don't have a post on most heated!
Best get cracking.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:46:58 EST (#)
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blah blah blah...argue the "liberal" and "conseravative" point elsewhere. You damn well know what I'm talking about. Type in fucking "liberal judge" in a search engine and find out what the fuck I'm talking about if you don't understand.
I don't understand your arguement other than you hate anything that has "bush" mentioned in it. You want to say it is a fuckup in Texas and ignore the much larger fuckup the supreme court offered the people of the nation?
That is EXACTLY why I can't stand self-professed liberals.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:43:36 EST (#)
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dude, you focus on conservative fuck ups all the time. so in response to that mini rant - you first.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:41:19 EST (#)
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I really fucking wish you'd grow up and realize there is more to any particular issue than conserns over what's a 'liberal' or 'conservative' viewpoint.
If we'd just get over those fucking definitions and learn to see clearly through what's right and what's wrong, we might start getting somewhere in this country. But as it is, people like you are able to persuade people that they are somehow being fucked over by the "OTHER SIDE!" when in reality we're all fucking Americans here and we all have the same rights under the fucking Constitution.
I know you like to blame the 'LIBERALS' for eminent domain. I'm not disputing it was people who might be labeled as 'LIBERALS' who played a part in it. I am with you in thinking that it's complete bullshit and those people who allowed it to pass should be shot or at the very least jailed for shitting on the Constitution and citizens' rights, but I'm not going to go so far as to extend my blame unto everyone who *I* think falls under the blanket category of 'LIBERAL'.
I don't ALWAYS agree with the ACLU's position in some of their lawsuits. I think some of them are petty. But that doesn't mean I don't respect the fact that they are on the front lines of the war against the erosion of our rights as citizens against the encroaching Big Brother.
Conservatives should understand that sentiment! Conservatives in the NRA understand all too well the struggle to hold back the erosion of their right to bear arms. These two organizations are really brothers in the sense that they both want their own rights as citizens protected.
This idea that every issue can be reduced to 'LIBERAL' and 'CONSERVATIVE' is a farce that is specifically designed to keep the two dominant parties of Democrat and Republican in power. It has NOTHING to do with the fluid and ever-changing notions of what's right and wrong for our country.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:40:06 EST (#)
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i'm pretty sure the owners of the condos approved this, or are getting a great price for the land. if they were getting screwed, this would be real news.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:39:33 EST (#)
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stabkill's right there. left doesn't usually vote in favor of individual property rights.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:38:58 EST (#)
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Your wild belief that the democrats will rake in the votes is hilarious at best. They keep getting stomped over and over...and then they stomp on their own guys and piss off their own people. (See Ohio Senate Race).
The Democrats are outdated and incompetent. Howard Dean makes more people vote Republican than he brings new votes to the Democrats. People say this shit all the time, and there is alot of evidence to back this up...but do the democrats listen? Fuck no.
Republicans do the same thing. But they are winning elections so they are simply arrogant, that's all.
Submitted by ScottPeterson (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:36:25 EST (#)
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"I don't care!"
<Tommy Lee Jones>
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:33:49 EST (#)
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i just think it's funny that bush will get a library when he can barely sort out all the letters on a teleprompter and won't admit to having a learning disability.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:33:28 EST (#)
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I told you. The Supreme Court liberal-minded judges allow this behavior.... Yet you want to bash Bush. If it is state law that puts some "must be obsolete" claus in it, then that has to be met. It seems like the university was slick in its methods but certainly did nothing that is illegal. How much do you care to wager this lawyer loses his case?
I am merely pointing out while you want to bash Bush, the liberal judges give less than a fuck about property rights. Do you not see that?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:30:31 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
I don't have to defend the conserative right. The facts are facts. Liberal judges approved eminent domain rights of the government over the individual and you want to argue this just because you hate BUSH.
Are you angry that Bush will get a library? That's all it seems to be to me... And then you're going to blame him instead of where any blame really lies.
It doesn't matter, really. The city will prevail because the money the library brings in will benefit the city and money overrides your petty concerns for the good people of Texas.
Give me a break, dude.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:29:35 EST (#)
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Ok, let's assume you're right, Stabkill. Let's assume it's Texas law that's at fault here.
Who runs Texas? The liberals? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... SEE WHAT I MEAN!?!?! You have no argument.
Who was once the GOVERNOR of Texas? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... Oh, this is too easy.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:27:25 EST (#)
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It is probably Texas law probably says the homes need to be obsolete....Federal law says it is OK to take the land even if it isn't obsolete. The arguement is pointless... The city sees dollar signs, ETS. That goes along way... Blaming Bush is ridiculous on this one. Local officials is where the blame lies if you don't like it.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:27:08 EST (#)
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It can't be that many people losing their homes though. I mean come on how big could this library possibly be?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:26:59 EST (#)
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you really really suck at knowing your churches. sorry, there's some real nutjobs out there. but you REALLY need to research the actual tenets of the churches and not the fuckups that go to them. the fuckups also vary from region to region, il isn't the most forward thinking state either once you get away from chi or st louis so really, think about the demographics of the state vs what the actual church structure is. stick to politics, you actually seem to read about that stuff a little more.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:25:53 EST (#)
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Look at Stabkill, vainly trying to defend the Conservative right with his accusations of "LIBERALS DID IT".
Not in this case, Stabby.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO GODDAMN FUNNY!
Can you say "HYPOCRITES"?
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:25:07 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:24:55 EST (#)
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The Clinton library has every issue of Hustler and Swank in it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:24:13 EST (#)
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No, Wardy, they're tearing down a private condominium complex and private residences. Zoning has nothing to do with it. They're using eminent domain law to try to declare these homes obsolete, and they're not.
Even if they were, the fact that a private institution is driving people from their rightfully owned land to build a presidential library for a Republican president whose party purports to stringently oppose such actions is a laugh and a half.
I get a kick out of Bush now. He really no longer even pisses me off. He just reminds me that some people were put here for comic relief and I should just accept that.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:23:42 EST (#)
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maybe it just depends where your methodists are. cuz the methodists are a little more liberal round these here parts. uhyuck.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:21:01 EST (#)
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They have no leg to stand on now that the Supreme Court (whereby LIBERAL judges overwhelmingly approved of these things) allow such behavior. It doesn't matter how "illegal" this guy claims it to be, but he is probably just publicizing the move because he hates Bush and doesn't want the library there more than anything...Who fucking knows, everyone has a motive these days as it seems.
Do you blame Bush when it rains or snows as well? It seems like the school is responsible for this action and it probably is state law, not federal law, which allowed this takeover of the property in the first place. The article seemed very biased also...I don't know about that particular newspaper, but I'm guessing they aren't big Bush fans so they will leave out facts. The print media is absolute shit... Why do I have to be the one to research shit after an article when this simple information should have been provided?
Perhaps you should read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html
And note the judges that approved and their philosophy.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:19:35 EST (#)
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oh, now go read my latest post. it's on most heated, and should be on b@w, just like all of my others.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:19:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by freebie (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:16:16 (#)
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I've formed the opinion over the last few months that you're a total dipshit. This post definately and without a doubt confirms it.
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Ah...you must be one of 'those'.
Don't worry...give it a few million years. I'm sure your lord will give you teh opposable thumbs.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:18:30 EST (#)
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+2 for this line and a few others -- Baptist churches are the worst smelling churches, with their women contingent thinking it's ok to dump a whole bottle of cheap Avon cologne down their blouses to cover up the smell of dust and rot.
However, your anti bush sentiment is misplaced -- every president gets their own library. Nixon probably has one somewhere. as far as moving people from their homes, i'm sure they were well aware of the circumstances of the zoning and what not when they moved in. if anything, they were most likely students living in cheap housing that they didn't own, but rented from, and the university probably has land bought up to move them to.
Submitted by freebie (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:16:16 EST (#)
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I've formed the opinion over the last few months that you're a total dipshit. This post definately and without a doubt confirms it.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:14:47 EST (#)
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....What do you use YOUR wee wee for?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-02-21 12:13:40 EST (#)
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The great Bart seems to have given us more of them newfangled 'buttons' to play with...
What's a 'label'?