My Spine Injury (813 hits)
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Submitted by Alex DeWitt <alex.dewitt.at.ntlworld.com> (View user info) at 2006-03-03 07:24:51 EST
About 3 years ago I was a hardcore gym enthusiast. I used to ride 7 miles to the gym, spend two hours there doing cardio, stretching, heavy weights and isometrics, and ride home, every other day. On the off days I would do rigorous martial arts training. I now know it was too much for me as at the time I was losing weight, and always felt tired and low on energy.
I started trying out different routines, and I was doing one with very heavy weights, and low reps, in a reverse pyramid structure. On this particular day in August 2003, I was doing deadlifts with around my own body weight on the bar. For some reason I decided to do them quickly, bouncing the bar off the floor at the bottom. BIG MISTAKE. My form was not up to scratch and I was, admittedly, very stupid!
On one of the reps I felt a strange sensation in my back, but continued, and on the next rep, I felt a severe 'twang' sensation and immediately dropped the bar. I wasn't exactly in pain, but a lot of discomfort. I tried to stretch out, but felt extreme discomfort, and couldn't move into certain positions. Being as determined as I was, I decided to finish my routine, I only had one exercise to go; lower back hyper extensions! I did one set of 20 of these in discomfort, then walked back to my office. Sitting in my office chair the pain was quickly getting worse and worse, until I literally couldn't even sit there any more. I told the manager I was leaving and walked to my car. The injury was literally getting worse by the minute, and I could hardly walk through the car park, thinking 'what have I done to myself'. When I got there, I literally couldn't put my leg in the car. I threw myself into the seat, and in agony, used my arms to lift my leg in.
The journey home was fun, as I couldn't push the clutch pedal. It's amazing how you take it for granted how things you do in every day life, such as pressing a clutch pedal, and standing upright use so many little muscles in your back and hips. I managed to get home by pushing the gear stick into neutral at every set of traffic lights, then crunching it into 2nd gear and driving in 2nd all the way!
After about an hour of getting home, I was lying on the living room floor, unable to walk. I called an ambulance and they gave me laughing gas for the pain! This was an experience. 2 breaths of this stuff felt like I'd had 5 whiskeys, then 5 breaths of normal air made me completely 'sober up' again! It was like a months worth of nights out in 30 minutes, without the hangovers! The paramedic was asking me things like how I injured myself, my name and age etc, and I was just laughing too much to tell him! Every little bump in the ambulance caused great pain at the bottom of my spine, and I was suspending myself from the loops in the ambulance roof so I wouldn't have the agony of my spine bouncing on the chair. The paramedic was telling me to take more deep breaths of the gas, because when we arrived at hospital I wouldn't have it any more, but I didn't want to as I felt so drunk, so I pretended to breathe it in!
After spending ages in casualty I was referred to a physiotherapist. They said the most important thing was to keep mobile, so I had to get up every half hour and walk around the house, even though it was painful and I just wanted to sit down. I had to do this all through the night as well. At first my range of motion was nil; I couldn't bend or rotate my body in any direction at all. After weeks of physio I was finally able to come near to normal range of motion, I could touch my knees (the photo below shows my flexibility before the injury), and lying on my back and bringing my knees into my chest.
Some time later, I was massively recovered, but still had discomfort, clicking noises, nerve pain all down my leg, tightness etc. So I visited a chiropractor. I felt a bit dubious at first, but he definitely helped. One session, I was lying on my side with my top leg crossed across my body, and he pressed down really hard on my leg (he practically took a run up), twisting my spine and made a huge cracking noise! It is a bit disconcerting when you hear your own bones crack. Especially when they twist your head round, you do wonder how they know the limits of neck twisting before death! The next day I got out of bed and was able to touch my toes, and I realised he had released the sciatic nerve that was trapped! It was a great feeling. Other bizarre things he did were 'intra-oral' techniques where he donned rubber gloves and started pushing my jaw bones and stretching my cheeks apart! Apparently the alignment of the skull directly affects the alignment of the back!
Some time later, I felt that I was no longer getting any benefit from the chiropractor, even though he kept insisting I come back, fair enough he did me good, but now I felt like he was just eeking out my appointments to get more money out of me, so I stopped going.
Months later, I heard about the benefits of an 'applied kinesiologist' so I found one in my area. He was also a specialist in Bach flower remedies, osteopathy, chiropractic, and Tibetan overtone chanting, to name a few! He told me that unlike the chiropractor, he would not ask me to come back for multiple sessions unless I felt I needed to. He diagnosed me with a strange muscle testing technique, where I made a circle with my fingers and he tried to break though it with his finger. He told me to resist, and he tried multiple times as he said different words out loud, for example:
He would say: Muscular, spiritual, skeletal - then on that word his finger would break my circle, and he knew it was a skeletal problem. I could swear on other tests he was muttering bizarre words like "light, box, fish, jam, ham, mercury, Cardiff.." and at a certain point he would break the circle and write something down.
Then he gave me some kind of crystal or stone to put under my tongue, then he cracked my bones! He did more in one session that the other guy did in 10! I am all open to alternative medicine, and even if part of this was a placebo effect, it worked!
Now I am about 95% better, but I don't know if I will ever be 100%. As I never had an MRI scan, I don't know exactly what my injury was, but from all the people I have spoken to, I guess it was a herniated disc, trapped sciatic nerve, and probably some form of ligament damage such as a tear.
Now I just get stiffness and discomfort when standing for long periods of time. I have learnt that when weightlifting, form and technique are paramount!! I have also learnt to try out new therapies, and to have an open mind as to what is capable of healing you.
It really annoyed me that my dedication to training so hard had led to this injury which meant I couldn't train for at least 6 months. It was so ironic, but I guess that chain of events has led to the happy compromise in which I now exist; I can identify the obsessiveness I had before, and I now just do what I feel like, eat what I want, relax and do a bit of training here and there! Before I went through a stage of not eating any fried food, chocolate, alcohol, caffeine, cake, etc etc. I lost loads of weight. Then I would binge drink...but that's a story for another time.
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 22:05:10 EST (#)
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Get yer peener out my ass,
you fuckin' dude, ya got no class. . . . .
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-03-03 16:44:32 EST (#)
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Then he gave me some kind of crystal or stone to put under my tongue, then he cracked my bones! He did more in one session that the other guy did in 10! I am all open to alternative medicine, and even if part of this was a placebo effect, it worked!
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You forgot to mention the part where he introduced his peener to your chocolate starfish; I've heard all about your so-called 'wonder cure'...
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-03-03 11:14:36 EST (#)
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-1 for bad technique.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:54:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:42:54 (#)
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Competitions only judge competition skills, which are very different. Thats why every single brawl or street fight you see is absolutely nothing like any competition, sparring, or film you will see, without exception. Ive even seen an impromtu fight break out between two highly regarded Wing Chun sifus and it was a total mess and over in 30 seconds.
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Ummm, UFC.
Thanks for the inf on WC.
I would check out google video, and look for gracie fights, there are a few good ones of him putting down some Kung-Fu Sifu's.
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Loki, why the hate for the Gracis. I think they are money grubbing, and sell BS tapes to make money but they (at least to my knowledge) made some pretty badass fighting styles more mainstream.
Royce is coming out of retirement in a few months for one more fight, he is going to get owned.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:44:13 EST (#)
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I'm not getting sucked into this martial arts argument except to say that the Gracis are assholes who should all be fed their own cocks.
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:42:54 EST (#)
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this is a whole discussion in itself. But briefly:
Muay Thai was totally and completely different to Wing Chun. Very brutal. Take the MA I am referring to in all my comments to be Wing Chun. I'm not saying that you wont learn culture and what have you with Muay Thai, I just didn't.
WC has several principles that should be obeyed, if they are then the rest is not pre-prescribed like forms or katas at all. Quite the opposite. Some of these principles that come to mind are: Protect the centre line. Be relaxed. If your enemy comes accept him, if he retreats follow him, upon loss of contact, rush in.
We are taught to train great touch sensitivity. As soon as I make contact with an opponents arms I immediately know where his energy is going and where the holes in his defence are. It should be a subconscious, reflex reaction.
Sparring should be for mutual benefit. No one benefits if you gouge out your partners eyes. WC has some 'deadly' techniques and eye gouges, but we do not spar with them. The only 'sparring' we do is completely unlike other traditional sparring methods and a tap on the chest of a push off balance will signify to your training partner that they had left a hole exposed in their defence this is what is needed to learn and improve. 'Fighting' each other is unnecessary.
WC is a form of kung fu, but totally different to others, for example 'Kwan' means display and the art is about making the moves look beautiful to watch. WC is mundane and dull to watch. The film ever made using proper WC was 'The prodigal Son' and that was grossly exagerted. You take the moves they do in that and scale them down and you'll see how fast, direct, and efficient WC is.
Fighting skills can only be won in a fight. Competitions only judge competition skills, which are very different. Thats why every single brawl or street fight you see is absolutely nothing like any competition, sparring, or film you will see, without exception. Ive even seen an impromtu fight break out between two highly regarded Wing Chun sifus and it was a total mess and over in 30 seconds.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:28:23 EST (#)
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xanderd,
I am baffled how you learned about other cultures, or spiritual progression in Muy Thai, in fact if you did you should ask for your money back. When I took it I learned how to throw wicked elbows and watch for knees when I duck punches.
Do you think your Wing-Chun training compares with Muy Thai? I am really curious. I have met a couple people who have studied more formal Kung-Fu they would watch my friends and I spar with boxing gloves sometimes, I asked one guy who always corrected us to his friends if he would like to join us one day, but he declined since Kung fu was too dangerous to spar with. I am pretty sure it was Wing-Chun (they do have deadly touch type forms don't they), but I could be wrong. I am not judging all of kung-fu practioners on this, but I have met a number of people who give reasons for not sparring as it being too dangerous. I used to take Jeet-Kun-Do, and we learned the eye gouges, neck chops, etc but I always found it weird that people who studied more conventional Kung-Fu could never spar for fear of using this. I remember whent the first UFC came out and you had a number of fung-fu practioners get their asses handed to them. I remember watching old Royce Gracis videos where he would go to Kung-Fu schools in California and challenge the Sifu's, and always own them.
That was kind of off topic, but your comment on competitions not being able really measure ones ability to win a fight brought it out. It is harder, a lot harder to eyegouge someone in a real fight than to break their nose. Unless you are cheap shotting them most of the "fight ending" moves I have seen don't work. I am curious what kind of things you learn in Wing-Chun that end a fight so fast, and why you think fighting skills can't be measured in competition?
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:15:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:05:44 (#)
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Did anyone else find the phrase "fucking yoga" enticingly erotic?
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Naturally.
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:13:29 EST (#)
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Incidetally, I do Yoga too and its great for my back.
I had the fittest little instructor and one lesson I was sitting directly in front of her, and we were doing an exercise where you grab your feet and spread your legs really wide apart. It felt like I was in a porn movie. I was trying not to look at her snatch, so I looked into her eyes and it was a magical moment. Cracking a boner in a Yoga class is not fun.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-03-03 10:05:44 EST (#)
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Did anyone else find the phrase "fucking yoga" enticingly erotic?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:59:42 EST (#)
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I didn't follow that bit at the end but it sounds like it involved incantations and the shaking of chicken bones. Maybe you should try that thing with the needles, what's it called...heroin?
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:42:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:25:39 (#)
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Ok, self defense is being able to stomp the pther guy.
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Not if you avoid the conflict in the first place. But if you do get involved, then yes you must obliterate them in under 10 seconds.
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Competiton is just a measure of how well you can do it.
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no, no, no. Most competition fighters are crap-hole fighters!! Most competitions are about how well you can reproduce a set of learned rules, and how entertaining you can be when you do it, not killing your opponent a fast as possible.
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All the other things you can get from Yoga, ask yourself why you picked something that will make you better at hurting others.
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They're called martial ARTS for a reason. Take another art form like music, you cant say that music is just to dance to and thats it. You're saying if someone started learning guitar for any other reason but to have people dance to it, they are wasting their time?
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How did martial arts teach you to avoid conflict, or learn about other cultures? If they wasted time teaching you not to pick fights or the way people eat in Japan, get your money back. If it gave you confidence so you wouldn't be as nervous in a confrintation that comes from knowing you are better equipped to pound someone. If you learned to count to 10 in japanese or a few other words and you think that encapsulates a culture...well I don't know what to say.
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I cant put my finger on it, I just think through the closeness of the relationship you have with violence you learn to appreciate it more, and with time you naturally want to control it more and more, to have that feeling of control and self discipline, and to know that you can easily avoid hurting yourself and others simply by not being in the conflict to begin with. Culture is not counting from one to ten. I learned a lot about where the art originated just through the style itself. it's implicit.
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I am not saying what you are listing aren't valid secondary reasons, but every one of them could have been filled by non-violent classes except for the ass kicking. To deny being able to fight better as the main reason for martial arts is like saying you bought a car because of the stereo and the seat not because you needed transportation.
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I never wanted to fight better, because I never wanted to fight in the first place. I did however want to improve my chances of self defence should a sticky situation arise. I also had some less noble reasons at the time like looking cool and feeling confident. But all the other reasons I listed are true for me too, are you saying that becuase I enjoy these aspects more than smashing peoples faces in I should switch to Yoga?
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Just out of curiosity what did you train in?
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First Muay Thai, then Wu Shu Kwan, a bit of Karate and kickboxing, but what really opened my eyes and what I practice to this day is Wing Chun.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:27:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:21:39 (#)
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thanks. I think the ratings should be about the quality of the writing, not because you dont agree with what the author did.
some of the ratings on here are getting stupid:
-2 ... I wouldnt have done that if I were you
you referenced a band/film/person who I dont like = auto -2
no-one in particular, just a general jibe. Also the fact that you have to rate to discuss is annoying all my own ratings of 0 drag the overall down.
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Little tip if you complain about ratings people will -2 you to piss you off.
Just skate it off only wankers care about ratings.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:25:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:09:25 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:59:45 (#)
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Martial arts in its core is about being able to fuck up the other guy. Put all the window dressing you want on it, call it spiritual, talk about the discipline and dedication, talk about respect and learning your limits, that is all gold plating. Any true martial artists know they study it so if the shit hits the fan they have a better shot at putting the other guy down, if this wasn't the case they would be doing fucking Yoga.
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Thats rubbish. People do MA for fitness, socialising, flexibility, focus, spiritual progression, learning about other cultures, competition, and self defence. Not all martial arts are McDojo 'kung fu-karate boxercise' bullshit. Mine led me to avoid conflict as a method of self defence. I enjoyed the challnege of expressing my body, going through the pain barier, and admiring the progress I had made. These are MY opinions, you cannot say I am wrong.
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Ok, self defense is being able to stomp the pther guy. Competiton is just a measure of how well you can do it. All the other things you can get from Yoga, ask yourself why you picked something that will make you better at hurting others.
How did martial arts teach you to avoid conflict, or learn about other cultures? If they wasted time teaching you not to pick fights or the way people eat in Japan, get your money back. If it gave you confidence so you wouldn't be as nervous in a confrintation that comes from knowing you are better equipped to pound someone. If you learned to count to 10 in japanese or a few other words and you think that encapsulates a culture...well I don't know what to say.
I am not saying what you are listing aren't valid secondary reasons, but every one of them could have been filled by non-violent classes except for the ass kicking. To deny being able to fight better as the main reason for martial arts is like saying you bought a car because of the stereo and the seat not because you needed transportation.
Just out of curiosity what did you train in?
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:21:39 EST (#)
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thanks. I think the ratings should be about the quality of the writing, not because you dont agree with what the author did.
some of the ratings on here are getting stupid:
-2 ... I wouldnt have done that if I were you
you referenced a band/film/person who I dont like = auto -2
no-one in particular, just a general jibe. Also the fact that you have to rate to discuss is annoying all my own ratings of 0 drag the overall down.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:14:03 EST (#)
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What the fuck is going on in here? Stop squabbling over herbal remedies. Everyone knows chiropractors are Satanists (true) while buying ground rhino horn to cure your impotence is complete bollocks.
HOWEVER - positive thought can be highly effective, and also a medicine may still be effigacious even if it accompanied by mumbo jumbo.
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:09:25 EST (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:57:31 (#)
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Don't tell people "read my post" if you didn't mention a doctor
visit in your post. See how simple it is to communicate?
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I assumed that my readers could infer that the 'paramedics' and other staff in the 'hospital' and 'casualty' were doctors.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:59:45 (#)
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He said you training was macho because you hurt yourself lifting too much (although it is hard for me to see how your own body weight on deadlifts is too much).
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As the post says i was doing last set of a reverse pyramid, i.e. the lightest set. Also as my post says, it's not so much about being 'too much' weight as about being BAD FORM.
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Martial arts in its core is about being able to fuck up the other guy. Put all the window dressing you want on it, call it spiritual, talk about the discipline and dedication, talk about respect and learning your limits, that is all gold plating. Any true martial artists know they study it so if the shit hits the fan they have a better shot at putting the other guy down, if this wasn't the case they would be doing fucking Yoga.
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Thats rubbish. People do MA for fitness, socialising, flexibility, focus, spiritual progression, learning about other cultures, competition, and self defence. Not all martial arts are McDojo 'kung fu-karate boxercise' bullshit. Mine led me to avoid conflict as a method of self defence. I enjoyed the challnege of expressing my body, going through the pain barier, and admiring the progress I had made. These are MY opinions, you cannot say I am wrong.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 09:05:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:53:34 (#)
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computer science. Its not the subject that matters, its the rigourous scientific testing.
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But you beleive the chanting and finger circle trick??
your trust model is flawed.
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No it isn't. Anyone who takes medical advice from someone who believes in the healing power of cryatals is an idiot. If they lack the basic reasoning skills to see cryatals are BS, than any medical judgement they make is suspect.
Im not qualified to say, but I have taken ones that expedite recovery from cold and flu, some to increase energy, and some to releive stress and anxiety (nervousness for presentations) and they had the desired effect on me. Many drugs stem (heh) from plants, why are you so skeptical?
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I said I beleive herbal remedies do have benefits, but Bach Flower treatment is a specific belief that simple herbs can fix almost any mental disturbance or discomfort, and is completely without merit.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:59:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:48:11 (#)
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Because you said my training was purely macho. No true martial arist would ever say training is about being macho.
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He said you training was macho because you hurt yourself lifting too much (although it is hard for me to see how your own body weight on deadlifts is too much).
Martial arts in its core is about being able to fuck up the other guy. Put all the window dressing you want on it, call it spiritual, talk about the discipline and dedication, talk about respect and learning your limits, that is all gold plating. Any true martial artists know they study it so if the shit hits the fan they have a better shot at putting the other guy down, if this wasn't the case they would be doing fucking Yoga.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:57:31 EST (#)
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Don't tell people "read my post" if you didn't mention a doctor
visit in your post. See how simple it is to communicate?
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:55:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:52:58 (#)
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I just re-read your post. You did not say you went to a doctor.
A physiotherapist is NOT a doctor. What is your Phd in again?
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"After spending ages in casualty " ... hospitals are full of doctors. Although I didnt mention it in my post, I also went to my GP. He was useless.
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:53:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:39:50 (#)
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Sorry you are the one who seems to take stock in this guys magic ability to find your problem by chanting a few words and blocking your fingers from making circles. PhD in what?
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computer science. Its not the subject that matters, its the rigourous scientific testing.
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I am glad he at least had a chirpractic degree, but I still think someone who believes in chanting and cryatals is suspect, and wouldn't allow them to touch me.
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your trust model is flawed.
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Which flower remedies work?
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Im not qualified to say, but I have taken ones that expedite recovery from cold and flu, some to increase energy, and some to releive stress and anxiety (nervousness for presentations) and they had the desired effect on me. Many drugs stem (heh) from plants, why are you so skeptical?
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I have a problem with people who embrace anything with ancient, herbal, chinese or natural on it with no proof.
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I do not embrace ANYTHING that is ancient. my grandmother for example.
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I have a problem with people who think there is an answer to every ailment with herbal remedies, that is better than real medicine.
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I didnt say they were better than 'real' (what does that mean?) medicine. They are called 'complimentary' for a reason.
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There is a million dollar prize for anyone out there who can prove that aura's, chanting, or crystals work it hasn't happened because they don't work. I have a lot of trouble accepting "medical" advice from people who can't recognize this fact.
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I am not a beleiver in crystals chanting and auras, but I am willing to accept that some people are.
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:52:58 EST (#)
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I just re-read your post. You did not say you went to a doctor.
A physiotherapist is NOT a doctor. What is your Phd in again?
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:48:25 EST (#)
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Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:39:41 (#)
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should have gone to an orthopedic surgeon. the ones who specialize in spine, specifically spine trauma, will have more training and expertise applicable to your type of situation than 5 chiropractors put together.
judging by the loading conditions at the time of injury (high sheer stress at L5-S1) i'd guess that you experienced a low grade spondylothesis, or 'spondy,' resulting in a compressed cauda equina.
when you get hurt, you go to a doctor first. not an alternative medicine practicioner.
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Why would a surgeon be required when I am 98% better without one? I did go to a doctor first - read my post.
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:48:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:30:18 (#)
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People who received placebos during test studies were often
'cured' as well. Their testimony is worthless.
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They werent cured, their symptons improved for a period, before getting worse than they were before.
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How is it "obvious" I have never done martial arts? What an idiotic assumption!
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Because you said my training was purely macho. No true martial arist would ever say training is about being macho.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:39:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:23:28 (#)
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don't take me for an idiot - I am a scientist doing a PhD, I believe in applied scientific knowledge. However I also have an open mind - you should try it sometime. At the end of the day what he did worked. He did not use bach flower remedies because that was not required, he combined other techniques and they worked great. He had a degree in chiropractic for gods sake!
oh and ps. Traditional Chinese medicine and flower remedies DO work for at least some ailments. I can testify to that.
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Sorry you are the one who seems to take stock in this guys magic ability to find your problem by chanting a few words and blocking your fingers from making circles. PhD in what?
I am glad he at least had a chirpractic degree, but I still think someone who believes in chanting and cryatals is suspect, and wouldn't allow them to touch me.
Which flower remedies work?
Vine for dominance and inflexibility?
Walnut for protection from change and unwanted influences?
Water Violet for pride and aloofness?
White Chestnut for unwanted thoughts and mental arguments?
I am not saying all herbal supplements are worthless, I know some have effects on the immune system, sleeping, pain, etc and have been documented. I have a problem with people who embrace anything with ancient, herbal, chinese or natural on it with no proof. I have a problem with people who think there is an answer to every ailment with herbal remedies, that is better than real medicine. I am very open minded, and am willing to learn about any type of healing that has a shred of fact to back it up. There is a million dollar prize for anyone out there who can prove that aura's, chanting, or crystals work it hasn't happened because they don't work. I have a lot of trouble accepting "medical" advice from people who can't recognize this fact.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:39:41 EST (#)
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should have gone to an orthopedic surgeon. the ones who specialize in spine, specifically spine trauma, will have more training and expertise applicable to your type of situation than 5 chiropractors put together.
judging by the loading conditions at the time of injury (high sheer stress at L5-S1) i'd guess that you experienced a low grade spondylothesis, or 'spondy,' resulting in a compressed cauda equina.
when you get hurt, you go to a doctor first. not an alternative medicine practicioner.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:35:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:27:11 (#)
Ranking: 0
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:17:37 (#)
Ranking: 2
The +2 was for the writing. The content says you have more
brawn than brain, especially where 'alternative' medicine
is concerned :)
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Actually I have a lot more brain then brawn. My training was not at all about being macho. You have obviously never done martial arts. I hate confrontations, and I hate training in public with people watching. My only reasons for training were for personal growth, physically and mentally, and expressing the human body. Like any other skill, say playing the guitar or writing, you want to become an expert, which requires practice and dedication. Everyone has different reasons for doing their training.
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If you had a brain you would understand the difference between 'then' and 'than'. :)
How is it "obvious" I have never done martial arts? What an idiotic assumption!
I once achieved a brown belt in Karate, but had to end there due to family, job,
and finances.
The reasons for doing traininng are intensely personal, but pushing your body
to the point of injury is stupid.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:30:18 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
People who received placebos during test studies were often
'cured' as well. Their testimony is worthless.
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:27:11 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:17:37 (#)
Ranking: 2
The +2 was for the writing. The content says you have more
brawn than brain, especially where 'alternative' medicine
is concerned :)
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Actually I have a lot more brain then brawn. My training was not at all about being macho. You have obviously never done martial arts. I hate confrontations, and I hate training in public with people watching. My only reasons for training were for personal growth, physically and mentally, and expressing the human body. Like any other skill, say playing the guitar or writing, you want to become an expert, which requires practice and dedication. Everyone has different reasons for doing their training.
Submitted by beatjunky (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:23:34 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
No Comment
Submitted by xanderd (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:23:28 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:18:24 (#)
Ranking: 0
Very heavy reps were your own weight???? Pussy.
Ok the meathead portion of this review is over.
Bach flower remedies, Osteopathy, chanting? Are you an idiot? You are lucky he did not fuck up your back worse. People who believe in this psuedo science are dangerous, mostly with flowers and chanting they will just take your money, but if they start cracking your joints you run the risk of getting seriously hurt. Cracking a joint does not equal healing, you can't compare how good he is to a real chirpractor because of the number of times your joints cracked. The relief you feel is the result of you falling for his head games, and rest, nothing more.
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don't take me for an idiot - I am a scientist doing a PhD, I believe in applied scientific knowledge. However I also have an open mind - you should try it sometime. At the end of the day what he did worked. He did not use bach flower remedies because that was not required, he combined other techniques and they worked great. He had a degree in chiropractic for gods sake!
oh and ps. Traditional Chinese medicine and flower remedies DO work for at least some ailments. I can testify to that.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:18:24 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Very heavy reps were your own weight???? Pussy.
Ok the meathead portion of this review is over.
Bach flower remedies, Osteopathy, chanting? Are you an idiot? You are lucky he did not fuck up your back worse. People who believe in this psuedo science are dangerous, mostly with flowers and chanting they will just take your money, but if they start cracking your joints you run the risk of getting seriously hurt. Cracking a joint does not equal healing, you can't compare how good he is to a real chirpractor because of the number of times your joints cracked. The relief you feel is the result of you falling for his head games, and rest, nothing more.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:17:37 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
A chiropracter is good ONLY if you have slipped something out
of place. Ruptured discs are beyond their abilities.
Back surgery is only for extreme cases. I know several people
who had surgery, and it made them worse.
Ugh. Me tough guy. Me not stop when body tell me!
Sorry, guy, but that hard-ass, macho attitude has messed you
up. Who is at fault?
The +2 was for the writing. The content says you have more
brawn than brain, especially where 'alternative' medicine
is concerned :)
Submitted by dove666 (user info) at 2006-03-03 08:04:04 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Sciatica sucks.
Lucky you.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-03-03 07:58:27 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Slipped off the back of a HUMMV carrying a MK-19....two herniated discs.
Don't get back surgery and stay away from the chiropractor.
The only healing is exercise and time.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2006-03-03 07:54:19 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Absolutely some kind of comment here.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-03 07:47:02 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Chiropractors are evil bastards. Mine looks like the hypnotist from Little Britain - and whenever he does that neck thing I can't help but laugh nervously. One day I'll push him too far and he'll Steven Seagal me to death.