God...he's a sneaky sonofabitch. (676 hits)
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Submitted by RockDocc (View user info) at 2006-03-06 21:59:08 EST
*I wrote this a few months ago after reading "The Devil's Apocrypha" I think it is still relevant, and still poses a few questions that I would love to have answered. I don't give a damn about grammar, or whether or not this actually has a point, I just want some questions answered. This is a public forum, so have at it ladies and gentleman*
since when did christianity espouse war?
what happened to the whole turn the other cheek, and live and let live, and all that other feel good stuff?
Since when was war all right?
I mean for god's sakes, didn't Pat Robertson and the other evangelists agree that going to war was a good idea?
What happened to the pacifism that the Christ espoused? What happened to "peace on earth?" Why is war so good for you people?
Christ never wanted to kill anyone, if you are supposed to be "Christ-like" then why do you?
I don't care if they're evil, or if they're wrong, they don't DESERVE to die. I mean this whole death penalty thing, you people are for it! Why? it's against everything you believe in. It's against everything Christ stood for!
Answer me, someone tell I'm wrong. What about the Sermon on the Mount? What about anything Christ said? Not peter, not Paul, not anyone else. Just Christ. What did he have to say about war?
Tell me, when did your saviour tell you to go to war? Tell me, when did killing become something that had to be done?
Now, I am not going to become a pacifist, that's not who I am. I'm a soldier, it's what I do. It's who I am. I'm trained to fight and I have no problem with killing a man who wants to do me or my patients harm, but I'm asking all of you; I've come to terms with what I am, stop hiding behind the name of "christian" and tell me who you are, are you truly "Christ like?".
Not like Paul, not like any of the other writers, like Christ.
Who among you can raise your hand and tell me that you are indeed "Christ like"
By the way, this will piss off everyone, but Gandhi was a better "christian" than anyone I have ever met. Anyone. Prove me wrong. And don't give me this "He didn't convert" bullshit, tell me the truth, do you know one other person (other than maybe Nelson Mandela) that followed Christ's vision better than Gandhi. Strange how a "heathen" is a better christian than everyone else. Strange indeed.
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Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-03-08 00:17:24 EST (#)
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Thanks guys. That was enlightening.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-03-07 18:00:06 EST (#)
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I've always thought that Jesus's biggest mistake was the ressurection, and the reason why is because of issues like this. If you look at what the role of the messiah is, it's not to be God, it's to assist God. God is supposed to be the point of religion, not Jesus. Jesus distracts from God, in many ways, although I personally think what he has to say himself is more interesting than what God himself said. You can't have both the Old Testament and the New... the Trinity doesn't work. Jesus makes himself too important with the ressurection- he's all powerful... I always thought that was the main problem with Christianity- you can't really ever be Christ-like because you can't ressurect yourself...
Ok, and as for free will? It's impossible as most people define God. If God is omniscient, than he knows what you're going to do before you do it, and if he's omnipotent, than he has the power to stop you. Easily. That means that every action you make, God has to decide whether or not he's going to allow it. Now, most Christians would say "well he always allows it, so that's free will" but it's not. If someone has that kind of power over your every action, you're not free. 'Nuff said.
Submitted by ampersand (user info) at 2006-03-07 16:45:37 EST (#)
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By the way, I've always thought MLK Jr. to be the pinnacle of Christianity as it were. Far more fitting I think then Ghandi.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-07 14:21:42 EST (#)
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interesting
Submitted by Hilarity_Ensues (user info) at 2006-03-07 10:08:52 EST (#)
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First of all, let me say that I hate televangelists. I think God hates them too. There's just something slimey about them, I don't know. Did you know that if you re-arrange the letters in televangelist, it spells "evil angels"? Think about it.
In a perfect world, there wouldn't be war, but we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world full of mortals who possess free will. In saying that, you're going to have some people who choose to travel the path of the righteous and some who choose to travel the path of the damned. In the constant struggle between good and evil, sometimes you must force your hand to come out victorious against those who choose the path of darkness.
Anyone who claims to be "Christ-like" is kidding themselves. There have been veeeeery few people in the history of man-kind who have conducted themselves in such a way that could even come close to being called Christ-like. The best the rest of us mere mortals can hope for is inner peace. Once you find inner peace, peace will be projected from you and you will be doing your part in Christ's vision. I don't think you have to be absolutely Christ-like to bask in His love. You are GOING to fall because as creatures blessed with free will, you WILL make the wrong decision at one time or another, but that's not what counts. What counts in the end, is the manner you choose to pick yourself up and brush yourself off in. I think God smiles when he sees inner strengh and peace. He smiles when He sees someone at a fork in the road and they choose the right path. He smiles at anyone trying to fight the good fight.
Submitted by Nellypaal (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:55:52 EST (#)
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A good - but much-covered and extremely boring - point.
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-03-07 00:31:18 EST (#)
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I think this is going to be a series of pieces.
Starting with the "Jihad...redux" continuining with this, and ending whenever. I think it's a pretty good idea, and I've already got the next installment written.. (okay, wrote it like...four months ago, but still)
Submitted by ampersand (user info) at 2006-03-06 23:51:36 EST (#)
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Actually Christians have quite a historical precedent in favor of war, what with those Crusades and all. So I guess if you are wondering when Christians decided war was ok, it would be like the 11th century I think.
But if you are wondering how Christians got from "turn the other cheek" to "crusade ftw!" well, its simple because all the higher ups in the christian organization back in the day couldn't give two shits about jesus. They cared about money and power. I think I've said it before and I think I'll say it again: faith is but another method by which the haves rule the have-nots.
Actually thinking on it further, I believe war and Christianity goes back further then the middle ages. I think the Roman Empire first converted to Christianity, in part because, one day they went to war flying banners marked with the cross. Since they won, they all decided Jesus was cool (Council of Nicaea), and thus Christianity was brought unto the world en masse. But don't quote me on that. Someone who is smarter should verify.
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-03-06 23:40:28 EST (#)
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*pops an erection*
yay! someone answered me!
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-03-06 23:31:29 EST (#)
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Ok, so I'm no longer actually a true Christian... though I do go to church as a matter of habit... you're welcome to look up my post for my explanation of why, but that's not important now, I'll try to give you an answer from what I came up with when I was struggling with this before I... de-Christianed myself. First of all, I tended to notice that Jesus himself was a pretty big flip-flopper on this issue as well as others- remember the whole "I come not to bring peace, but a sword" thing, so that added to my building frustration with the actual Christ figure. Sure he says that it's important to love one another, but he also says that there shall come a time, and at his behest, when a woman shall slay her own child, or wish it was never born, or something to that effect. Basically, you could pass the argument off with just saying- "well maybe Jesus doesn't care if we kill someone as long as we're bringing about the kingdom of heaven" and, God damnit, there'd be textual evidence from His own lips to support your thesis. The justification I tenuously used as a Christian was this- I can make the decision of non-violence for myself- I can turn my cheeck if someone hits me. However, if another person is unable to defend myself, and they are being attacked unfairly by someone or something, than if I am in a position to defend them, it is my duty to do so. Jesus did this in a non-violent way on many occasions. I am a pacifist, and I believe that it is important to defend the defenseless. I respect soldiers a lot. Anyway, I'm on a time limit here, so that's all I'll say for now. If you're really all that interested in a serious debate on the topic, you're welcome to hit me up on the im- Jacktripper1000. I promise I won't mind, just remind me who you are. Thanks for raising a good philosophical question... here, take a +1
Submitted by The_Cyst_Master (user info) at 2006-03-06 23:01:41 EST (#)
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I recommend hypnosis:
http://www.meatspin.com
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-03-06 22:26:58 EST (#)
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alright, who shit in the gene pool?
Submitted by ChristPuncher (user info) at 2006-03-06 22:23:20 EST (#)
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KIRBY PUCKET DIESD
FUCK CHRIST AND ALL HIS PLANS
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
FUCK U TO I HOPE YER WHOLE FAMILY IS SLAUGHTERED
I HATE U
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-03-06 22:18:12 EST (#)
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since when did christianity espouse war?
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Since Christ died.
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Since when was war all right?
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Since war meant power
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Ok that's what I got for you now go read what repenting means in the Uber religion and REPENT!
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-03-06 22:13:42 EST (#)
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oh fuck off and give me a goddamned answer.
look, I -2 it, Fuck? I give none of that.
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2006-03-06 22:11:29 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-03-06 22:08:28 EST (#)
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Rock what happened? I thought you and your nijas were in with my religion? http://www.ubersite.com/m/84890 go back and repent now. It's so fucking funny that some peopel are taking that seriously.
Submitted by PoTtY (user info) at 2006-03-06 22:05:07 EST (#)
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I don't know much about religion but I guess it all started during the Middle Ages, I guess, with the all-powerful and corrupt church. Governments and leaders have been using religion since as an excuse for conflict or as a way to control a mass group of people. Personally, I would rather be christ-like than be Christians. Religion is just designed to make people feel better about their worthless existence anyways.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-03-06 22:00:37 EST (#)
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You should consult with the three wise men. Don't take up too much of their precious time though, they have many people to see
http://www.lemonparty.org
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-03-06 21:59:46 EST (#)
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-2 or not, I don't give a fuck. Someone, answer me!