Abortion in South Dakota (837 hits)
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Submitted by Remy L (View user info) at 2006-03-07 18:27:39 EST
I'm confused, and maybe one of you out there can explain something to me once you've finished reading this.
I read on CNN about how South Dakota has banned all abortions, except when the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother or baby. All arguments about abortion aside, there are a couple things about this that bother me.
First of all, it specifically says that rape and incest are not justification for abortion. That just blows my mind. Someone violates a woman like that and the woman's entire life is now ruined at no fault of her own. Even worse, how could she love that child? And if the father is some kind of triple Y chromosome freak, then what kind of child will that be? South Dakota is placing that burden on the victim, and that's just fundamentally wrong.
Second, what if the woman truly can't support the child? The government, and ultimately, the taxpayers are paying for a child to live when the mother didn't want that child in the first place. You could argue that a woman should consider that spending $8 on a box of condoms is worth not having to spend tens of thousands on a child, and that's a solid argument. But she still has to deal with getting an abortion, if that's the path she chooses.
I strongly believe that someone should be responsible for their own decisions. If you have unprotected sex and get pregnant, you have to deal with the consequences of that decision. All ethics aside, how you choose to deal with your pregnancy should be up to you, not the government. I personally know a woman who had an abortion once and when she got pregnant again decided to have the baby because of the guilt they felt after the first abortion. It can be just as painful for someone to know they are ending a life.
Here is what confuses me: whom does the South Dakota government think it's helping? This is a government making an ethical decision. Scientifically speaking, each cell is alive. Once a baby is conceived, yes, technically, it is alive. So does the government decide murder based on ending a life or terminating a soul? Other than that ethical question, I don't see any legitimate justification for a government to do this. I have seen first hand that a parent who doesn't care about their child is more dangerous to the child than an abortion would be to a woman. The government is basically deciding that child should suffer due to bad parenting. And we've all heard the arguments that back alley abortions will become common if abortion is illegal. Or a woman will just leave the state and go somewhere else to get her abortion.
Here's what else gets me: why don't they pass legislation that teaches responsibility? When you have a problem, you either fix the cause so it doesn't happen, or you create an excellent solution so that it can be solved quickly, easily, with little trouble. This ban does none of those things. It actually eliminates options and creates hardship. The women who want an abortion have a reason; financial, rape, incest or (let's be honest) the woman was irresponsible with her birth control method, or lack thereof, and she knows that for whatever reason she shouldn't be a parent.
You can walk into most school nurses offices or Planned Parenthood locations and get free condoms. Why not pass legislation that makes condoms cheaper? Or free? Who cares what brand they are as long as they work?
When was the last time you said, "I was having sex the other day, but it wasn't that good... I was using a Trojan condom and they just don't do it for me." If you're concerned about what brand of condom you're using, you're doing something wrong, I would think.
So my confusion, in case it wasn't clear, is that I don't understand why this sort of ban would happen. Notice, I'm not voicing my own personal opinion on this, I'm trying to be objective about it.
Do any of you out there know a solid argument for why this ban is a good thing?
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-04-24 17:16:29 EDT (#)
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Apparently, women in SD lack a spine and/or are so fucking stupid that they think the government is capable of making their personal medical decisions for them.
after all the government has done such a wonderful job of the war on Iraq, education, transportation, ending global warming, and the environment that I'm sure they'll do a fine job of telling every single citizen and resident how to wipe their own ass
Submitted by Stellar5446 (user info) at 2006-04-24 16:51:21 EDT (#)
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Huh...that's makes some odd loopholes...
For instance, if you consider the fact that having an abortion is 10 times safer than delivering a child, then technically any abortion would be okay.
Anyway, I agree, so +2
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-03-08 12:44:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-07 21:39:41 (#)
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In the case of rape: Abortion should be legal.
Also, rapists should be hung... I'm being deadly serious about that. No rehab. No jailtime. Hung.
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I was thinking more of a year or two of extreme, televised torture followed by butchery. Their organs would go to those that need them, and the rest would be sold online. Any family that try to liberate the prosecuted should recieve similar, extreme treatment.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-08 05:28:49 EST (#)
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First of all, it specifically says that rape and incest are not justification for abortion. That just blows my mind. Someone violates a woman like that and the woman's entire life is now ruined at no fault of her own. Even worse, how could she love that child? And if the father is some kind of triple Y chromosome freak, then what kind of child will that be? South Dakota is placing that burden on the victim, and that's just fundamentally wrong.
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I agree with abortion but I'm sorry, I do not agree with the above statement. The child is innocent, indeed it could even be considered a victim as well.
I also don't reckon it's wise to cherry pick situations where abortion is acceptable/unacceptable. It either is or it isn't.
Submitted by dedre (user info) at 2006-03-08 00:53:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-07 21:39:41 (#)
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In the case of rape: Abortion should be legal.
Also, rapists should be hung... I'm being deadly serious about that. No rehab. No jailtime. Hung.
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First off, it's "hanged" not "hung". Items, like clothing, a hat, or coat hangers are hung. A person or otherwise living object is termed to be "hanged".
And I thought my english teacher never taught me nuthin!
And in regards to the post, I'm 100% in agreement in your questioning.
...at least I know I'll never ever set foot in South Dakota for assjism reasons like this...
...well, south dakota sucks and I'd never set foot in there anyways, but this is one more reason.
Submitted by Aztune (user info) at 2006-03-07 23:22:30 EST (#)
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I thought about adoption when I wrote this piece, and I chose not to include it here.
The women willing to put a baby up for adoption fall in the category of those that choose to have a baby.
When I said "financial difficulty" I wasn't ONLY talking about raising a child.
Pregnant women can have a difficult time doing their jobs. They may lose income from lost time at work. And the adoption process doesn't pay for child birth.
Child birth is expensive.
What happened with my daughter in http://www.ubersite.com/m/83674 cost upwards of 6 figures. Yes, I have insurance. But if you don't want to have the kid in the first place, why stress your insurance carrier that way?
"Hi, I'm going to cost you a couple dozen thousand dollars for absolutely nothing."
So yes, adoption is an option, but it's the 9 months of pregnancy and then giving up a child that led me to exclude adoption from this.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2006-03-07 22:15:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-07 21:39:41 (#)
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In the case of rape: Abortion should be legal.
Also, rapists should be hung... I'm being deadly serious about that. No rehab. No jailtime. Hung.
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I support death penalty for rapists and murderers.
I also support abortion.
Submitted by LadyJay (user info) at 2006-03-07 22:01:33 EST (#)
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remember, according to the catholic church, we shouldnt be using condoms or other chemical forms of birth control at all.. just the natural cycle method, or pulling out, which is dodgy at best.
religious fanatics have been against the morning after pill because they say it is stopping the possiblity of the pregnancy, if she may have been pregnant, ie abortion... by this logic, then anal sex, blowjobs, pulling out, or masterbating are all in the same boat. All those millions of children that COULD have been concieved.
I am for abortion, or to put it better, I am for the choice to abort. I dont think I would do it myself, but that is a personal choice, and who knows if a situation arose that I might change my mind.. but I want to have the option.
Also, on another thread... if you have the baby and have it adopted, as some are saying.. this may be really really silly, but still an important factor in having children v's abortion when the child is really not wanted.. in some cases you have ruined your body, from stretchmarks, to flabby skin, to wieght gain, to stretched vaginal walls... its a very selfish thing to think about I know (and I'm gonna get lambasted for this one), but after a child and adoption , the girl still has to go about her normal life with the marks of a child with no child to show for it... and still have to live up to societies pressure to be slim and beautiful. this is a little off the beaten track but something that nowadays in our image focused world, is increasingly important. People always say, if you dont want the child, have it anyway, and give it to people who do want it.. but that person then has to get on with her life after.
this was poorly worded, but i hope i got a point across.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-07 21:39:41 EST (#)
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In the case of rape: Abortion should be legal.
Also, rapists should be hung... I'm being deadly serious about that. No rehab. No jailtime. Hung.
Submitted by Jacobt26 (user info) at 2006-03-07 21:36:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:56:40 (#)
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Submitted by NewestIndustry (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:18:21 (#)
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Why it's justifyable:
-People just say "USE A FUCKING CONDOM."
Why it's not:
-Underground clinics will run rampant; these are always a risk.
-Incestuous and rape children can't be aborted? Assholes.
-In response to the condom thing: I believe that condoms have an approximately 10% chance of fouling up. Now, that's nothing to basically blow off condoms as worthless, but that can be a big risk. What happens when your partner doesn't use birth control pills and your condom fucks up? I think you know by now..
But, yeah. The reason why this happened is because they're religious bigots under the rule of Mr. Texan Monkeyface.
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idiot.
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If the condom fails, just punch her in the stomach like I... er someone I know did.
Seriously, the Incest and rape thing is a bit touchy, but it isn't the babies fault. Put it up for adoption.
For the love of god all you people arguing the financial responsibilities, the problems with having to deal with a kid, the horrors of not being able to love a child, what about adoption?!
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:56:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by NewestIndustry (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:18:21 (#)
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Why it's justifyable:
-People just say "USE A FUCKING CONDOM."
Why it's not:
-Underground clinics will run rampant; these are always a risk.
-Incestuous and rape children can't be aborted? Assholes.
-In response to the condom thing: I believe that condoms have an approximately 10% chance of fouling up. Now, that's nothing to basically blow off condoms as worthless, but that can be a big risk. What happens when your partner doesn't use birth control pills and your condom fucks up? I think you know by now..
But, yeah. The reason why this happened is because they're religious bigots under the rule of Mr. Texan Monkeyface.
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idiot.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:27:45 EST (#)
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"What happens when your partner doesn't use birth control pills and your condom fucks up?"
The pills don't have a 100% success rate either. Nothing does really. Even if you get your tubes tied or have a vasectomy, it's not a guarantee that you can't/won't reproduce.
Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:25:17 EST (#)
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Remy L?
as in Remy LeBeau?
as in Gambit?
Submitted by NewestIndustry (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:18:21 EST (#)
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Why it's justifyable:
-People just say "USE A FUCKING CONDOM."
Why it's not:
-Underground clinics will run rampant; these are always a risk.
-Incestuous and rape children can't be aborted? Assholes.
-In response to the condom thing: I believe that condoms have an approximately 10% chance of fouling up. Now, that's nothing to basically blow off condoms as worthless, but that can be a big risk. What happens when your partner doesn't use birth control pills and your condom fucks up? I think you know by now..
But, yeah. The reason why this happened is because they're religious bigots under the rule of Mr. Texan Monkeyface.
Submitted by RamenNoodle (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:12:05 EST (#)
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first of all no one knows a persons heart. Therefore its dishonest to take the words of "professed Christians" and paint a picture of Christianity. My religion is between me and God, and thats it, I couldnt give a shit less what Pat Robertson etc has to say. By the way, I want to see my kids grow up and meet my grandkids, not looking forward to armageddon.
2Corinthians 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2nd if the majority of the people in a state want a law passed, whether its gay marriage, abortion, the right to shit in the middle of the street on mondays, whatever. Point is let states decide for themselves.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-03-07 20:07:25 EST (#)
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"Judge not lest thee be judged..."
I love when Christians say this and then turn around and slam gays, athiests, and other "sinners" who don't think exactly as they do.
About the whole abortion thing, I think it's ridiculous. I agree that you should be responsible for your actions and accept the consequences. On the other hand, no one should be forced to keep a baby they don't want. It'll cause a lot of resentment and anger and just fuck the kid up. Yeah, it could always be put up for adoption but there are too many orphans as it is. It's not a good life for a child and neither is the first scenario. Someone who's forced to keep a baby they don't want is also probably much more likely to be one of those people who goes nuts and kill their kids one day.
I could go on about why this idea is absurd but I'm not going to. Basically, the people who are against abortions always say they're trying to save a life but they never actually think about the life they're "saving" and how it'll end up. By the way, what if someone did use a condom or birth control or whatever but still got pregnant?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:54:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:16:56 (#)
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We musn't forget, these are the same people who PRAY for the end of time so they can meet Jesus in the air. They haven't the first clue how to minister the word of God to anyone else.
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Christians don't pray for the end of time. If they do, they're not real christians. Jesus taught us to worship life, not death.
And of all the missionaries all over the world by far, the majority are christian.
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I agree, but you'd be surprised...
"For the first time ever, everything is in place for the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ." ~ Ronald Reagan
http://www.reandev.com/taliban/
Submitted by ThatOneGirl (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:42:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:29:29 (#)
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girl-without-a-clue, so you think 1 person should be able to dictate what 99 people do?
If that were the case, we would all have to do what ETS or Method wanted us to do.
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Okay, I don't agree with what she said either, but in this case, that one person wouldn't be forcing the 99 others to have abortions, thereby not dictating anything.
But anyway, I think it comes down to the fact that it's a woman's body. Who are a bunch of politicians (in many places, mostly males) to tell a woman what she can and cannot do to her own body? Because let's face it, while the fetus is in there, it is technically a parasite, and it's a part of the mother.
Plus the back alley and Mexican abortions would get out of control - thus doing more harm than good.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:36:56 EST (#)
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i read the first couple of lines. adoption.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:29:29 EST (#)
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girl-without-a-clue, so you think 1 person should be able to dictate what 99 people do?
If that were the case, we would all have to do what ETS or Method wanted us to do.
utter bs
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:26:55 EST (#)
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Submitted by Girlwithaclue (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:23:17 (#)
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I personally believe that if a state is going to pass legislature that affects every person so personally and profoundly that it should only be passed with a 100% approval.
That is all I am going to say....
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I hate to sound like Michael Jackson but that is ignorant.
You can't even get 100% of people to agree that murder should be outlawed.
See my point?
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:25:37 EST (#)
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Well, abortion is cool when you need it or somebody you know. I'd like to see that senator write a bill on "How to get a State permission to Procreate"
Submitted by Girlwithaclue (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:23:17 EST (#)
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I personally believe that if a state is going to pass legislature that affects every person so personally and profoundly that it should only be passed with a 100% approval.
That is all I am going to say....
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:19:28 EST (#)
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Fuck the governor of South Dakota. Fuck this shit.
all i have to say is this:
a gastrula is not a human being.
deal with it.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:16:56 EST (#)
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We musn't forget, these are the same people who PRAY for the end of time so they can meet Jesus in the air. They haven't the first clue how to minister the word of God to anyone else.
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Christians don't pray for the end of time. If they do, they're not real christians. Jesus taught us to worship life, not death.
And of all the missionaries all over the world by far, the majority are christian.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:02:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2006-03-07 18:42:58 (#)
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ok but first you have to tell me if Rogue ever let you splooge on her titties cause you guys can't get freaky.
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It's smart-ass reviews like this on 'serious posts' that keep me around Ubersite.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-07 19:00:34 EST (#)
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No one should be surprised by this in the least. If you are, you really haven't been paying much attention to the news.
The Christian right is scared because they know their way of life is dying. Unfortunately, it will take several generations to phase out this twisted bastardization of Christ's teachings.
"Judge not lest thee be judged..."
"He who is without sin..."
"Do unto others..."
All this translates to:
"Fags are going to hell..."
"Whores are the devil's instruments..."
"BEWARE THE EVIL ANTICHRIST ENEMY, HE WILL DEVOUR YOUR SOUL!"
We musn't forget, these are the same people who PRAY for the end of time so they can meet Jesus in the air. They haven't the first clue how to minister the word of God to anyone else.
Submitted by digdug (user info) at 2006-03-07 18:56:42 EST (#)
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The federal government should stay the FUCK out of it, and let the states decide.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-07 18:43:45 EST (#)
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It's a good thing in only one aspect...The people were actually given a choice. The overwhelming population of South Dakota thinks abortion is unethical. So they got what the majority wanted.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2006-03-07 18:42:58 EST (#)
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ok but first you have to tell me if Rogue ever let you splooge on her titties cause you guys can't get freaky.
Submitted by Butler (user info) at 2006-03-07 18:38:56 EST (#)
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Repiblicans are all for keeping a child under any circumstance. But the minute your born, you're on your own as far as they are concerned. You don't see too many of them stepping up to adopt these unwanted children (with the exception of McCain). I think they are against abortion because they want a bigger population so they'll be able to pay people less and get themselves richer! basically, they'd have a bigger tax base!
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-03-07 18:37:35 EST (#)
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Consider this
What if the mother isn't in grave danger (going to die) but instead the doctors tell her, you'll end up in a coma, parapalegic, or something else.
WTF
Submitted by Quint (user info) at 2006-03-07 18:31:07 EST (#)
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Theybanned abortions, but made it legal to kill babies once they are born. Pretty good compromise that should keep all sides happy.