Speak Up or Shut Up? (How will you use the voice with which you've been blessed/cursed?) (6434 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-03-19 13:42:02 EST
Here is your daily dose of truth. I realize that many of you have come to see me as someone who thinks he has a monopoly on it, but this really isn't the time to focus on trivial bickering.
I'd like for each of you to ask yourselves something... If you had a chance to go back to Nazi Germany in the early 1930s and tell the people what their beloved Adolph Hitler was about to do to their country, would you do it? Would you yell out in the street or try to rouse your fellow citizens to break the spell of popular opinion and see what was happening before their very eyes? Or would you sit on your hands and do nothing?
That's a question I find I'm asking myself a lot lately. Would I risk my life for my country? For my fellow man? That is a truly difficult question to answer, and there is no right or wrong one.
A man cannot be blamed for valuing self-preservation. He cannot be blamed for wanting to shy away from trouble and just go about his own business without being abrasive. Yet, a man who sits idly by while women and children suffer in his name, propped up with HIS vote, surely there is no sin greater under heaven.
To slink away from the suffering of one's fellow man in favor of the safety of a crowd is a natural human tendency, but one that must be overcome if our world is ever to overcome the perpetual conflict of war and the suffering it brings.
A day after the third anniversary of the present war in Iraq, I am heartened that so many people decided to stand up and take to the streets in so many places around the world over the weekend http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/19/war.protests.ap/index.html, but am saddened by the knowledge there is another war looming on the horizon, and I come to you humbly and entreat you to open up your hearts and minds and eyes to see the present truth of our situation, not so I can say "i told you so" or some such nonsense, but so that you might ask yourself the question - what will I do now? Will I speak up or will I shut up? Will I cower and shy away from confrontation, or will I stand up for what I know is right?
The following is an article I found that will hopefully explain my concerns better than I am presently able to articulate.
I apologise for the copy/paste, but I wouldn't do it if I didn't think this was important and if I thought I could do better myself. I would like to offer my own thoughts on the subject, but will do so in the reviews.
For now, if you'd just like to read a great article that explains the truth about what the U.S. and its allies are planning to do to Iran, and perhaps join a friendly debate, continue on, if not, kindly leave your -2 Die comment and tell me how much of a loser I am.
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Still here? Cool. Thanks for sticking around.
I do suggest you go to the link below to read the article because the format is better and has links, but if you like, the article is reprinted below for you.
http://arevolutionaryact.blogspot.com/2006/02/real-men-want-to-go-to-iran.html
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It's going to happen - and sooner than you think. We'll be watching the news headlines, or maybe there'll be a news flash, and we'll be informed that the RAF, along with the USAF's long-range B2 bombers, and the Israeli Air Force have carried out overnight bombing raids across Iran, targeting nuclear facilities, radar stations, airfields and anti-aircraft bases.
I can't see a land invasion - at least not for a long time - for the simple reason that Iranian civilians are more patriotic than their Iraqi counterparts, that Iran has a much bigger and better equipped army than Iraq had and a lot more fundamentalists, the type that strap bombs to themselves and run towards you. Moreover, the country is much bigger than Iraq, with a lot of mountainous terrain and with a much larger population, which makes it far more difficult for the largely un-resisted kind of invasion the US enjoyed in Iraq.
As in the case of Iraq, there will be the prior attempt at the mass manufacture of consent. Blair and Bush and indeed other European leaders, who think they will have something to gain, pedalling the line that newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is another Saddam Hussein who, if Iran's nuclear programme is not halted, will be able to lob a nuclear missile at the west in a few minutes and how Iran is supporting international terrorism, financing terrorist cells all over the world, including Al Qaeda. The case will be made that Iran is still very much a part of the axis of evil, first referred to in George W Bush's State of the Union Address in 2002, and its people, secretly harbouring thoughts of Western style democracy, the country crying out for regime change. In his January, 2005, State of the Union Address George W said; "Iran remains the world's primary state sponsor of terror, pursuing nuclear weapons while depriving its people of the freedom they seek and deserve."
The White House has in fact been steadily creating an anti-Iran climate in the US for some time. The Wall Street Journal reported on Feb. 3, "in recent polls a surprisingly large number of Americans say they would support U.S. military strikes to stop Tehran from getting the bomb."
All of this, of course, is part of the desensitisation process, aimed at calming world public opinion in advance. And if Congress and Parliament and the people on the streets won't buy the cant, then expect the false flags to go up - the state-sanctioned attacks on Western cities, purportedly carried out by Islamic terrorists acting on the instructions of Tehran or on behalf of Al Qaeda, the names by now interchangeable. That'll win over the damned doubters and ditherers. There will be the mandate for another round of butchery!
And you know how it will all start. Indeed, it has already started. The high profile diplomatic efforts to refer Iran to the UN Security Council will be followed by UN Security Council Resolutions condemning Iran's uranium enrichment programme and an insistence on an additional protocol for inspections of its nuclear facilities, and in the knowledge that Iran's Parliament has already moved to reject any further inspections if such a scenario arises. Sanctions could be imposed aimed at isolating Iran and turning it into a pariah state. Iran, feeling it is doing nothing wrong - it has in fact an "inalienable right" as a signatory of the Non Proliferation Treaty to develop a civilian nuclear technology for generating electricity for its population of 70 million - will, in so many words, tell the UN to fuck off, and this will be the pretext for war, with the US, the UK and Israel, like comic book super-heroes coming to the defence of peace-loving, god-fearing people everywhere. There will be warnings about the consequences from all manner of experts and demonstrations will take place right across the world - as in the case of Iraq - and reference will be made to double standards, to the fact that Israel and India and Pakistan all have nuclear weapons and are yet to sign the NPT, but to no avail. The masters of war will have their day.
It's improbable that Russia and China will ever agree on a UN Security Council Resolution against Iran which could justify military action if it is thought to have been breached; for they have strong vested interests in Iran which they are desperate not to jeopardise. Not that this will bother the US in the least, as both Russia and especially China are economic powers that threaten US global ambitions, so any attack on Iran, that consequently leads to the overthrow of the present regime in Tehran, upsets the long term ambitions of China and Russia.
An Iranian response
But, make no mistake; Iran will be no push over. The US will not enjoy a hasty capitulation of the Tehran regime, as was the case with Baghdad, exhausted by over a decade of perpetual bombardment and sanctions. The Iranian army comprises about 350,000 active-duty soldiers and 220,000 conscripts and you can add to this 120,000 of the elite Revolutionary Guard. The country's navy and air force total 70,000 men. Between them, the armed forces have about 2,000 tanks, 300 combat aircraft, and three submarines, hundreds of helicopters and at least a dozen Russian-made Scud missile launchers, the kind Saddam fired at Israel during the first Gulf War of 1991. Iran also has an unknown number of Shahab missiles with a range of more than 1,500 miles. With this in mind you can begin to appreciate the remarks of Under Secretary of State, John Bolton, in the build up to the invasion of Iraq: "Real men want to go to Iran".
True, a lot of Iran's military hardware is old, thirty years old in some cases, and no match for the state-of-the-art weaponry the US is wont to use. Nevertheless, it is still weaponry and more than capable of delivering untold damage to US forces or any other country within striking distance of its missiles and who are perceived as being pro-US.
With Iran controlling the Strait of Hormutz, oil tankers could easily be bombed as well tankers and platforms elsewhere in the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. And Tehran could easily escalate any conflict, giving the nod for Lebanese Hezbollah militant attacks on Israel, sanctioning also assaults on U.S. interests throughout Central Asia.
Nobel Peace Prize winner Shirin Ebadi and Muhammad Sahimi a professor of chemical engineering at the University of Southern California, co-authored a piece for the Los Angeles Times on January 19th. They said:
"A military attack would only inflame nationalist sentiments. Iran is not Iraq. Given Iranians' fierce nationalism and the Shiites' tradition of martyrdom, any military move would provoke a response that would engulf the entire region, resulting in countless deaths and a ruined economy not only for the region but for the world. "Imposing U.N. sanctions on Iran would also be counterproductive, prompting Tehran to leave the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and its 'additional protocol.' ' Is the world ready to live with such prospects?"
Both Bush and Blair have already hinted at military intervention and Israel has previously threatened Iran. The New York Times of 13th January 13 reported Meir Dagan, the chief of the Israeli Mossad declaring that "Israeli policy makers all agree that a military option against Iran's nuclear facilities cannot be ruled out."
More importantly, The Sunday Times on December 11th last year reported that Ariel Sharon has instructed Israel air force to get ready for a military attack against Iran by the end of March 2006, when Israeli elections are scheduled. Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of Israel's Likud Party, gave notice last year that if Prime Minister Sharon did not wipe out Iran's nuclear installations, he would see the job was done if he became prime minister in March.
Consider also the statement by ex-CIA officer Philip Giraldi, in the August 2005 issue of the American Conservative. According to Giralidi, Vice president Dick Cheney has told the Pentagon to plan for an all-out air attack on 450 sites in Iran if another terrorist incident occurs in the US. Giraldi reports that such a plan would include the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Iran's fortified nuclear installations. Likewise, France's President Chirac caused a furore when he announced France would respond with nuclear strikes against any state believed to be behind terrorist attacks on French soil. With Statements like this and knowing the long-term prize at stake, you just can't help wondering if one of those false flags is being unfurled right now.
A year ago it was reported that Iran was anticipating an attack by the US and that it was ready for an impressionable response within 15 minutes. For over a year, anticipating a US attack, Iran has been mobilising recruits into citizens' militia and has made plans to engage in the kind of "asymmetrical" warfare that has mired U.S. troops in neighbouring Iraq.
Oil Boarse
And the real reason for the coming war with Iran? Forget the nuclear threat. Forget the support for terrorist cells and the other hackneyed charges against this "rogue state". The very simple fact is that next month, in March, Iran intends to launch its Oil Boarse which will facilitate the future trade of oil in the Euro instead of the US petro dollar - the international currency that props up the US economy. (For further info see this blog's entry for May 15th of last year)
John Pilger writes in the latest issue of New Statesman (13th February):
"The effect on the value of the dollar will be significant, if not, in the long term, disastrous. At present the dollar is, on paper, a worthless currency bearing the burden of a national debt exceeding $8trn and a trade deficit of more than $600bn. The cost of the Iraq adventure alone, according to the Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, could be $2trn. America's military empire, with its wars and 700-plus bases and limitless intrigues, is funded by creditors in Asia, principally China.
"That oil is traded in dollars is critical in maintaining the dollar as the world's reserve currency. What the Bush regime fears is not Iran's nuclear ambitions but the effect of the world's fourth-biggest oil producer and trader breaking the dollar monopoly. Will the world's central banks then begin to shift their reserve holdings and, in effect, dump the dollar? Saddam Hussein was threatening to do the same when he was attacked."
Likewise, Krassimir Petrov, Professor of Economics at the American University of Bulgaria, writing of the establishment of an Oil Bourse in the January edition of Energy Bulletin, said:
"In economic terms, this represents [a great threat] because it will allow anyone willing either to buy or to sell oil for Euros to transact on the exchange, thus circumventing the U.S. dollar altogether.
"Europeans will not have to buy and hold dollars in order to secure their payment for oil, but would instead pay with their own currencies. The adoption of the euro for oil transactions will provide the European currency with a reserve status that will benefit the European at the expense of the Americans ....The Chinese and the Japanese will be especially eager to adopt the new exchange, because it will allow them to drastically lower their enormous dollar reserves and diversify with Euros, thus protecting themselves against the depreciation of the dollar."
The Oil Bourse aside. Iran has also sizeable oil reserves that look quite enticing and which other countries have been eyeing up for some time. The highly regarded Oil and Gas Journal reported last year that 125.8 billion barrels of oil were in Iran just waiting to be pumped out. Iran is also the number 2 producer in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC).
Most of Iran's crude oil is to be found in an area known as Khuzestan, bordering Iraq and the Persian Gulf and the location of Iran's largest untapped oil fields - Yadavaran and Azadegan. There are serious profits to be had here but, tellingly, the Chinese state oil company China Petroleum & Chemical Corporation has a 50 percent stake in the vast Yadavaran oil field.
So to has Russia a claim in Iranian oil. Three years ago In 2003 Russia decided to expand its oil procure and distribution methods by shipping Russian crude to Iran, to be refined for domestic consumption, with Iran delivering a corresponding amount of oil to Russia, thus decreasing the cost of exports via tankers loaded at Black Sea ports and making Russian oil accessible to buyers at competitive prices.
Addicted to oil?
George Bush, in his January 2006 State of the Union Address made an interesting statement: "The US is addicted to oil". That's perhaps the truest statement Bush has ever said, but he's mistaken if this is meant to signify that the US is going into detox and will be weaning itself of oil. At the moment there is just too much US corporate interest in the Middle East and Central Asia for the US to even think of cutting back on one barrel of oil.
Furthermore, there are dangerous competitors out there, who have an insatiable thirst for oil, so its important that the US has a say in who has access to the world's oil resources. The U.S. is not that dependent upon Middle East oil for its own domestic consumption, but is aware that one way to control its foremost economic rivals is to control just how much oil they can have and at what price. The project for the New American Century is well under way, with the war-mongering neo-cons ready to use any excuse to justify the use of US military power to eradicate any regime deemed an obstacle to its global ambitions. With China a fastly growing economic, political and military power, naked aggression is a strategy they will pursue throughout the oil rich regions of the Middle East and central Asia, regardless of the cost of life and the dent to the US' global image. The petro-dollar needs defending, world's oil resources need to be controlled and military bases built. Iran is just one step towards total global control - the real enemy is yet to be confronted.
But for now, with International Atomic Energy Agency complaining that Iran isn't cooperating fully with IAEA inspectors, Washington will use its man at the UN, Ambassador John "Real Man" Bolton, to help hype a global crisis which will consequently be used to justify attacks on Iran, with or without the blessing of the UNSC. No evidence exists as to Iranian desires to create an atomic bomb, but the fact that the country is enriching uranium - quite legally so, and as a signatory to the NPT, unlike pro-US nuclear states - is all the confirmation the neo-cons need for another war for oil.
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Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:23:47 EDT (#)
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Shut up!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-24 04:19:35 EST (#)
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He's not watching right now.
He wanking to low quality webcam shots of FA shooting up.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-24 01:44:27 EST (#)
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Better mind your P's and Q's
http://www.ubersite.com/m/85734
He is watching!!!!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-24 01:31:34 EST (#)
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I still gotta say, that letter he supposedly sent back to the Senator is really grounds for an FBI full cavity search.
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2006-03-23 22:16:32 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by toucan_sam (user info) at 2006-03-23 14:33:31 EST (#)
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complete horseshit
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-03-23 14:13:27 EST (#)
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i use it to hum when i deepthroat. that way my voice becomes action, and actions speak louder than words.
Submitted by sketch9 (user info) at 2006-03-23 13:23:54 EST (#)
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you honestly beleive the war in iraq was about oil? is it now about oil? was it at the beginning? if so, why havent our crude prices gone down? iran falling, or even going to war, is not going to honestly affect our relation with the saudi oil wells, and opec will probably use the war as a reason to jack the price of oil. just because we invade a country does not mean we own its natural resources.
you guys never seem to think about jack in the middle east except oil. the iraq was wasnt about oil, and never has been. an iran war will not be about oil. shut the hell up.
Submitted by moray (user info) at 2006-03-23 13:08:47 EST (#)
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you seem to be a wank.
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2006-03-23 09:36:20 EST (#)
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The Son of God has respawned
http://www.ubersite.com/m/85692
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-23 09:02:58 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85523#1896731
Jesus man, get a grip
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-23 06:47:25 EST (#)
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Now THERE is an idea.
ETS=blogger.
Makes sense, most whackjobs have one.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-23 06:37:11 EST (#)
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I got enough new information out of this to justify a +2, even if it is a blog.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 06:07:54 EST (#)
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Bless you and yours, Lyn. You're a Saint among saints.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-23 06:07:45 EST (#)
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What the fuck is wrong with you
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2006-03-23 04:47:42 EST (#)
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"You just keep up the 'good' work, Mr. Senator, and sleep well...sleep
well knowing that Hell Hounds are on your trail. We ARE WATCHING YOU."
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Brad's fucking lost it.
Love you like a brother - not MY brother, because he's a crackhead - and watching you go over the edge is making me giggle like a happy medicated child.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-23 04:45:13 EST (#)
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Julie, you're right.
He sounds... Well... Unstable.
I'm guessing this recent output of his over the last two weeks is because he's off whatever meds he was on.
And I don't doubt at ALL that his message is going to the FBI and SS.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-03-23 04:39:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 02:56:02 (#)
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and my response???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You know what you can do with your little reply, Mr. Lugar....
You can shove it up your pompous, self-serving ASS!
That's what you can do!
You know why???
Because your ways are OVER! That's why.
The youth of America are about to SHOCK your ass with lightning so
powerful you won't know what to do with yourself/
FUCK you, and FUCK your president! He's NOT my president. You are
nothing but a little lapdog. I know you, and everyone here in
Evansville, Indiana that I come into contact with knows what you're up
to. I've looked at your voting record, and I'm passing it onto
everyone I know as we fucking speak.
You just keep up the 'good' work, Mr. Senator, and sleep well...sleep
well knowing that Hell Hounds are on your trail. We ARE WATCHING YOU.
NOW, KINDLY DIE!
You don't fucking fool me, and you don't fool anyone else wiht your
bullshit lies about trying to do ANYTHING for this country.
YOU ARE A JOKE.....AND YOU ARE A DISGRACE.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_2.htm
Now kindly die, sir.
That's right....DIE.
Your time is over.
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Do you not see how fucking insane this makes you sound? At first it just seems like you're one of those little 17 year old punk bitches who is trying to rebel against authority and goes on about anarchy and how the government sucks and your life is so hard because of it(even though you've lead a very easy, sheltered life and have had everything handed to you on a silver platter) and blah blah blah in a pathetic attempt to be different and cool. Then you start getting creepy and threatening. It sounds like you're a goddamn stalker or something. I won't be surprised if he turns you in to the FBI and they start investigating you.
I'm not sure if that made any sense or not because I'm working late, I'm dead tired, and I'm high as a kite because I took Benadryl for my cold with lots of pain meds for my gimp knee and broken head. Fuck you, it made sense to me.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 03:52:38 EST (#)
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http://www.theyrule.net/2004/tr2.php
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 03:47:33 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/83896
http://www.petitiononline.com/godwood1/petition.html
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_2.htm
I asked Mr Richard G. Lugar, United States Senator for Indiana to PLEASE not sell our National Forests...
But what does he do???
HE SENDS ME A MOTHERFUCKING CANNED RESPONSE!!!!
There is nothing...NOTHING I hate worse than a canned response.
That sonfoabitch is going down.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 02:54:55 (#)
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
Mr. Luger of Indiana.... Senator.....
Dear Mr. Linzy:
Thank you for contacting me. I appreciate knowing your thoughts about preserving our public lands and national parks.
President Bush has submitted his fiscal year 2007 budget to Congress and proposed the sale of federal land under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Forest Service. In conjunction with this announcement, on February 28th, the U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service announced the start of a public comment period on the list of forest lands that would be available for sale as a proposal to provide funding to reauthorize the Secure Rural Schools and Community Self-Determination Act of 2000. You can review this proposal on the Forest Service website at: <http://www.fs.fed.us/>.
Comments on the proposed list must be received by March 30, 2006, and may be sent by e-mail to SRS_Land_Sales.at.fs.fed.us. Written comments may be sent to: USDA Forest Service, SRS Comments, Lands 4S, 1400 Independence Ave., SW, Mailstop 1124, Washington, DC 20250-0003. Faxed comments should be sent to (202) 205-1604.
I will continue to closely follow the progress of this issue. National parklands are a treasure every American can share. Our breathtaking forests and mountains are world-renowned. As economic prosperity allows citizens and industries to expand in more rural areas, preserving national parks becomes more important than ever. Again, thank you for contacting me.
and my response???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You know what you can do with your little reply, Mr. Lugar....
You can shove it up your pompous, self-serving ASS!
That's what you can do!
You know why???
Because your ways are OVER! That's why.
The youth of America are about to SHOCK your ass with lightning so
powerful you won't know what to do with yourself/
FUCK you, and FUCK your president! He's NOT my president. You are
nothing but a little lapdog. I know you, and everyone here in
Evansville, Indiana that I come into contact with knows what you're up
to. I've looked at your voting record, and I'm passing it onto
everyone I know as we fucking speak.
You just keep up the 'good' work, Mr. Senator, and sleep well...sleep
well knowing that Hell Hounds are on your trail. We ARE WATCHING YOU.
NOW, KINDLY DIE!
You don't fucking fool me, and you don't fool anyone else wiht your
bullshit lies about trying to do ANYTHING for this country.
YOU ARE A JOKE.....AND YOU ARE A DISGRACE.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_2.htm
Now kindly die, sir.
That's right....DIE.
Your time is over.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2006-03-23 03:16:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-22 20:18:17 (#)
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He thought the point was not yet beaten into the ground, dug out and beaten down again, and so he's started up again.
+*^--^*+
At least he doesn't lay around all day trying to lick his balls or sniff other dog's butts.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 02:56:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 02:54:55 (#)
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
Mr. Luger of Indiana.... Senator.....
Dear Mr. Linzy:
Thank you for contacting me. I appreciate knowing your thoughts about preserving our public lands and national parks.
President Bush has submitted his fiscal year 2007 budget to Congress and proposed the sale of federal land under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Forest Service. In conjunction with this announcement, on February 28th, the U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service announced the start of a public comment period on the list of forest lands that would be available for sale as a proposal to provide funding to reauthorize the Secure Rural Schools and Community Self-Determination Act of 2000. You can review this proposal on the Forest Service website at: <http://www.fs.fed.us/>.
Comments on the proposed list must be received by March 30, 2006, and may be sent by e-mail to SRS_Land_Sales.at.fs.fed.us. Written comments may be sent to: USDA Forest Service, SRS Comments, Lands 4S, 1400 Independence Ave., SW, Mailstop 1124, Washington, DC 20250-0003. Faxed comments should be sent to (202) 205-1604.
I will continue to closely follow the progress of this issue. National parklands are a treasure every American can share. Our breathtaking forests and mountains are world-renowned. As economic prosperity allows citizens and industries to expand in more rural areas, preserving national parks becomes more important than ever. Again, thank you for contacting me.
and my response???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You know what you can do with your little reply, Mr. Lugar....
You can shove it up your pompous, self-serving ASS!
That's what you can do!
You know why???
Because your ways are OVER! That's why.
The youth of America are about to SHOCK your ass with lightning so
powerful you won't know what to do with yourself/
FUCK you, and FUCK your president! He's NOT my president. You are
nothing but a little lapdog. I know you, and everyone here in
Evansville, Indiana that I come into contact with knows what you're up
to. I've looked at your voting record, and I'm passing it onto
everyone I know as we fucking speak.
You just keep up the 'good' work, Mr. Senator, and sleep well...sleep
well knowing that Hell Hounds are on your trail. We ARE WATCHING YOU.
NOW, KINDLY DIE!
You don't fucking fool me, and you don't fool anyone else wiht your
bullshit lies about trying to do ANYTHING for this country.
YOU ARE A JOKE.....AND YOU ARE A DISGRACE.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_2.htm
Now kindly die, sir.
That's right....DIE.
Your time is over.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 01:52:02 EST (#)
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Ok, we'll talk here then...
How's the bass going, brutha? You playin' with anyone right now?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-03-23 01:50:07 EST (#)
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I wish I did brotha.
my work compy doesnt allow for teh messaging services.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 01:47:26 EST (#)
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Rad...add me.
Let's talk about stupid shit for a minute...
Submitted by Some_Type_Of_Super (user info) at 2006-03-23 01:47:18 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85675
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 01:45:17 EST (#)
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Rad...you got MSN?
electrictoothsyndrome.at.msn.com
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-03-23 01:43:14 EST (#)
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Adolph Hitler was about to do to their country,
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all in all, Hitler wasn't really all that bad for germany.
sucked for the rest of the world, but the germans would have been okay if he got what he wanted.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 01:39:51 EST (#)
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I'm sistening to this right now: http://electrictoothsyndrome.com/songs/nirvanaproject/breed.mp3
Damn...I should have finished this album...
Maybe soon...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-23 01:37:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-22 20:03:56 (#)
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you never answered my question...
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yea....
And fuck you AND your question.
How's that!?!??
I think I've said all I should have to say on this post.
Right now, I'm listening to good music and jerking my fucking cock around my apartment. And I feel like GOD HIMSELF.
How are you going to dissuede me from that?
That's right...you can't.
Good evening uber. I really hope you sleep well.
Good, God, I hope you sleep well...
Submitted by thecaes (user info) at 2006-03-23 00:07:34 EST (#)
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I just watched a very interesting documentary called "Why We Fight." It's about the American propensity for war and the blurred lines between war and business. I won't go into detail, but one of the most memorable and chilling lines from the movie was:
"The industrial-military complex has become so pervasive that it is almost invisible."
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2006-03-22 22:45:59 EST (#)
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Party hearty, rock and roll
Drink a keg, then smoke a bowl
Life's a bitch, and then you die
So fuck this world, and let's get high.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-03-22 22:18:19 EST (#)
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I always like your posts.
I'd give my two cents but I have a feeling one of the 400+ reviews (which I am WAY too lazy to read) have already hit most of my major points.
It comes down to the fact that war is good business, and any military action on their soil would set them back years if not decades. The ultimate goal I still believe is to keep the whole region destabilised long enough to utilize their resources until they become a non issue, because lets face it, when oil runs out most of the middle east is fucked, especially if they don't follow the lead of Dubai.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-03-22 20:49:03 EST (#)
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"So the best thing to do, if we all value our current lifestyle in any way, is to stop this stupid bickering and convince people that the ENTIRE WORLD would be better off (including Canada) if the Democrats win back the house and senate this fall."
"You know, if the Democrats win back both houses, and can take back the presidency in '08, we MIGHT just come around to rejoining kyoto talks. We MIGHT increase subsidies for solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear power - all of which have major players operating in Canada!"
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Oh my god ETS, I can't believe you actually said that. There you go trying to force your opinion onto others again. Democrats are not going to save the entire world and they aren't the answer to all of our problems. I agree that our current situation sucks and it's not getting any better. I also agree that the president is a complete moron(he can't even pronounce nuclear!) and I hate him just as much as everyone else in the world. I still can't believe anyone voted for him in the first place. However, I don't think all of the blame for all that is wrong with our country can be placed on one person or one party and I don't think the solution is as simple as you make it seem.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-22 20:18:17 EST (#)
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SEE WHAT YOU GUYS DID?
I WARNED YOU.
He thought the point was not yet beaten into the ground, dug out and beaten down again, and so he's started up again.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-22 20:03:56 EST (#)
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you never answered my question...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:49:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by jeveuxgagner (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:28:25 (#)
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Its people like you who make people hate the left wing... so you're informed... good on you... now stop patronising those who aren't
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I didn't know trying to inform people, or give them the tools to inform themselves, was patronising... When did this happen? Did I miss a meeting?
Now THAT was patronizing. Learn the fucking difference.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:48:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:16:01 (#)
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Caul, one more time... """
-- Why one more time? This is the 1st time I say that argument and that you respond to me without shedding tears.
The difference between your pussy-ass Canadian dollar and the greenback is the greenback is the world's premeire reserve currency. If the dollar falls against other currencies, (which our excessive spending is CAUSING), it means that the world's power balance is in jeopardy of tipping...and we all know what happens in situations like that. """
-- Most analysts seem to predict a recession to "correct" this situation. A recession most have been waiting for since 2001. I don't know what you mean by "we all know what happens in situations like that" but I suspect it has something to do with worst-case scenarios, total war and the last chapters of the Bible.
So the best thing to do, if we all value our current lifestyle in any way, is to stop this stupid bickering and convince people that the ENTIRE WORLD would be better off (including Canada) if the Democrats win back the house and senate this fall. """
-- Well...no shit! Everybody outside the United States are still baffled that you voted that clown and his buddies for a second term.
A quick look at the voting record of both the house and senate should tell people where the Republican priorities lie if there's ANY doubt... Go to this site:
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/b_three_sections_with_teasers/active_leg_page.htm#D
Then choose any issue you think is important. Then look at the voting results for said issue. You can look at exactly who voted for and against any particular legislation. You can get on the internet through google.com and read that legislation in its entirety if there aren't direct links.
Then you can make an INFORMED decision on who should run this country, instead of sticking to party lines. """"
-- I'm not american, dumbass. I can have preferences but I have no say over who should run your country. I have however the opportunity to tell you what I think of you, which is where my problem lies, not necessarily your messages. You're not helping anything by jumping up and down and screaming like a panicking monkey. If you wanna convince the septics, you're gonna have to take a step back and let go of your ego for a minute. I think BadAssJulie was spot on your blatant attitude problem. Try to change that before you ask others for change.
Middle America needs to wake the fuck up and start informing themselves. """
-- Probably. But you need to realize that your attitude and over-the-top conclusions are exactly what makes people further distance themselves from politics.
Caul, you, of all people, should know this. So why keep this up? Why keep trying to knock me down? """
-- Knock you down of your pedestal? Maybe. But I hate your counter-productive fear-mongering caca.
Now cue you saying that you are being a victim of perceptions, not your own behavior. So much for waking the fuck up when you can't even make your own introspections. Anyway...I'm going to the gym. You should do the same. It could help evacuate some of that anxiety.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:38:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:58:57 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:48:23 (#)
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Their neighbors were afraid
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Which Neighbors Exactly?
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You do remember they invaded Kuwait? They were getting ready to go into Saudi.
Saddam was hated among arabs, but it is like when brothers fight, they hate you more for fighting him. An oversimplified analogy, but accurate.
Submitted by jeveuxgagner (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:28:25 EST (#)
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Its people like you who make people hate the left wing... so you're informed... good on you... now stop patronising those who aren't you fuck that just makes them NOT want to do what you say
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:28:13 EST (#)
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PS: Caul, you could HELP me, you know...instead of bickering with me.
Maybe if we didn't bicker so much and helped each other out, we could share relevant information instead of trying to undercut each other's arguments with completely unrelated topics, like the Canadian dollar.
I just responded to your argument about the Canadian dollar, even though it's not AT ALL relevant to an argument about the American dollar.
Surely you can see how that is only a sidetrack and a distraction, because the two economies are completely different. They are run differently, they have different foreign investors, different budget deficits, different exports, different leadership, different EVERYTHING!
This isn't even a case of apples and oranges, this is a case of apples and sea-tortoises! They're not even in the same FAMILY of fruitiness!
You know, if the Democrats win back both houses, and can take back the presidency in '08, we MIGHT just come around to rejoining kyoto talks. We MIGHT increase subsidies for solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear power - all of which have major players operating in Canada!
Most of the North American uranium exploration is in Canada.
Ballard Power Systems, the world's leading manufacturer of Hydrogen Fuel Cells operates in Canada.
Your COUNTRY would benefit from it. The whole fucking WORLD would. But yet, you sit here trying to knock me down... Why? Because you don't like me? Because I upset you somehow?
That's ridiculous, dude.
Don't want to help me? Ok. But can we at least have a little peace here?
Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:25:03 EST (#)
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It's like a sport. Make the emotionally unstable redneck flip his lid.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:16:01 EST (#)
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Caul, one more time...
The difference between your pussy-ass Canadian dollar and the greenback is the greenback is the world's premeire reserve currency. If the dollar falls against other currencies, (which our excessive spending is CAUSING), it means that the world's power balance is in jeopardy of tipping...and we all know what happens in situations like that.
So the best thing to do, if we all value our current lifestyle in any way, is to stop this stupid bickering and convince people that the ENTIRE WORLD would be better off (including Canada) if the Democrats win back the house and senate this fall.
A quick look at the voting record of both the house and senate should tell people where the Republican priorities lie if there's ANY doubt...
Go to this site: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/b_three_sections_with_teasers/active_leg_page.htm#D
Then choose any issue you think is important. Then look at the voting results for said issue. You can look at exactly who voted for and against any particular legislation. You can get on the internet through google.com and read that legislation in its entirety if there aren't direct links.
Then you can make an INFORMED decision on who should run this country, instead of sticking to party lines.
Middle America needs to wake the fuck up and start informing themselves.
Caul, you, of all people, should know this. So why keep this up? Why keep trying to knock me down?
Submitted by ScottPeterson (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:11:36 EST (#)
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Caul wins .
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 19:00:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:58:44 (#)
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Caul, I'm not debating with you anymore. Even when I address every letter of your backward, vapid replies, you say I'm being selective.
So DEAL WITH IT.
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Yes, actual arguments and past events that disprove your paranoid bullshit are vapid and backward. You are right.
Anything else, my lord?
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:58:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:48:23 (#)
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Their neighbors were afraid
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Which Neighbors Exactly?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:58:44 EST (#)
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Caul, I'm not debating with you anymore. Even when I address every letter of your backward, vapid replies, you say I'm being selective.
So DEAL WITH IT.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:54:13 EST (#)
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How about a Senate resolution to increase the statutory limit on the budget deficit by $800 BILLION???
Republicans - our great proponents of 'small government' - said 'YAY!'.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00054
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:49:44 EST (#)
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p.s. Thanks for missing the point and stating the obvious and leaving out the majority of my reply with your trademark selective arguing.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:47:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:36:45 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:07:18 (#)
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You're not getting poorer because of the devaluating U.S. dollar, your nation's getting poorer because your government is spending like a 13 years old girl in a vintage clothes store.
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Obviously you know nothing.
The spending is DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR.
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Yes, I know nothing. You're right. I spent most of my youth in a nation that went through long term currency devalution and deficits. I also worked in bankings and finances for the majority of my still short career...I know nothing of this.
I'm sorry, you own the Truth and I keep forgetting.
This debate is so constructive, I'm gonna let you talk to yourself.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:36:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:07:18 (#)
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You're not getting poorer because of the devaluating U.S. dollar, your nation's getting poorer because your government is spending like a 13 years old girl in a vintage clothes store.
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Obviously you know nothing.
The spending is DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:13:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:59:56 (#)
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If I only cared about myself, I sit around on this website and paste other users' heads on people and write about how much I hate them instead of stimulating debate about the world's problems.
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You're not stimulating debate. Saying you hold the Truth and cramming your pre-fabricated views down's people throat isn't exactly debate. You want approval or silence. This is obviously about you, not the world's problems.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 18:07:18 EST (#)
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Look at the devaluation of the American dollar and tell me HOW you're NOT getting poorer every day."""
Will you ever stop blabbering about the devaluation of the U.S. dollar? It's not Armaggadon. Canada withstood a LONG term devaluation during the nineties and we came out all right. In fact, since the our dollar rose in comparison to the U.S. dollar, we had to deal with a lot of plants closure that just couldn't export anymore. Fortunately, it also had its positive effects.
You remind me of the people who panicked in the early nineties when our dollar started plummeting because they thought that the currency was the only indicator of economical health. Next thing you knew, our economy revived.
You're not getting poorer because of the devaluating U.S. dollar, your nation's getting poorer because your government is spending like a 13 years old girl in a vintage clothes store.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:59:56 EST (#)
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If I only cared about myself, I sit around on this website and paste other users' heads on people and write about how much I hate them instead of stimulating debate about the world's problems.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:48:06 EST (#)
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Fuck off Shlongy. This isn't about you. You obviously only care about your fucking self. """
And you don't?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:43:05 EST (#)
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I've offered a multitude of solutions.
Curb fucking unnecessary spending and get the fuck out of Iraq. Control the budget.
Shlongy, you wouldn't go out onto the golf course and throw hundreds at killing gophers would you? Same concept in government.
The problem is, even with our current deficit, domestic social programs - programs that are DESIGNED to stop the decay of society - a decay that is actually a THREAT to wealth maintenence - are being cut while corporate taxes and taxes for the wealthy are also being cut, requiring the poor and middle class to fit more of the bill in the long run.
I'm not saying any of these ideas are 'new' or 'original'...I really don't care if I'm being original.
I'd rather be truthful in these matters than original.
Original in politics...what a stupid fucking notion.
You're a dumbass Shlongy.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:31:34 EST (#)
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Close.
I also care about 5 or 6 other people, too.
I know I don't care about closet homosexual rants from people with no life experiences to draw on, but with too much time spent on the internet pulling, then plagiarizing pseudo-pop psychobabble and passing it off as their own theories and posing as intellectual deep thinkers with no offers of solution, whether monetarily or by actually GETTING OFF OF THEIR DIRTY, LAZY, SLOVENLY ASSES and...
ah, never mind.
You're just so full of shit it makes MY head hurt.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:28:12 EST (#)
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Ok, I'm done.
End of outburst.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:22:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:17:57 (#)
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Having fun mumbling to yourself, ya goddman self-indulgent idiot?
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Fuck off Shlongy. This isn't about you. You obviously only care about your fucking self.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:21:37 EST (#)
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Think about something... How far are you in debt? How much do you owe your bank? For your car? For your house?
How much do you owe the credit card company? Because you had to borrow to pay the gas bill? Because you got sick and couldn't afford the healthcare?
How much?
Tell me you're not getting poorer.
Look at the devaluation of the American dollar and tell me HOW you're NOT getting poorer every day.
LOOK AT THE VOTING RECORDS BELOW.
WATCH YOUR SENATORS' ACTIONS!
GO FUCKING VOTE IN NOVEMBER AND TELL THESE MOTHERFUCKERS YOU'RE TIRED OF BEING LIED TO.
YOU'RE TIRED OF HAVING YOUR DOLLARS DEVALUED.
YOU'RE TIRED OF GETTING POORER AND POORER WHILE THE RICH GET RICHER AND RICHER.
YOU'RE TIRED OF PEOPLE THAT SAY ONE THING WHILE DOING QUITE ANOTHER.
These people have 90% incumbent rates! WHY!?!?!
Look at the people who voted against YOU in the Senate, and return the fucking favor in November.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:17:57 EST (#)
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Having fun mumbling to yourself, ya goddman self-indulgent idiot?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:16:11 EST (#)
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Increase funding to combat avian flu paid for by requiring tax withholding on government payments to contractors like Halliburton???
And LOWER CHEANEY'S STOCK!?!?!
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00055
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:02:23 EST (#)
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Provide seniors with a simple prescription drug benefit plan that works???
No fucking way! We don't have room in THIS budget for those people! http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00071
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 17:01:10 EST (#)
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Preventing excessive TRICARE fees and copays for military retirees???
Not in THIS Republican-controlled Senate: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00067
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:59:56 EST (#)
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Reducing debt by closing corporate tax loopholes??? NO WAY, says Repuclicans: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00064
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:55:57 EST (#)
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Legislative transparency??? Nope. Not for REPUBLICANS!
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00035
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:53:45 EST (#)
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How about the 'pay-as-you-go' requirement reinstatement that pushed America back into the black in the late 90s? Seems like a good fucking idea, don't it?
Not to Republicans: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00038
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:52:00 EST (#)
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Nor do we give a fuck about veterans: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00041
Notice where the Democrats and REpublicans stand on these issues...
LOOK at these fucking pages.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:49:52 EST (#)
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5282521
"Like many cash-strapped Americans who have maxed-out credit cards, the federal government has hit its limit for borrowing funds to keep operating. If the limit isn't raised, the government likely will run out of borrowing authority within days, risking a shutdown.
When President Bush took office five years ago, the national debt was at $5.6 trillion; since then, big budget surpluses have collapsed into huge deficits, and the debt has shot up nearly 50 percent."
We can spend Billions on war, but we don't give a fuck about student aid: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00039
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:31:11 EST (#)
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i find the conclusions that the author of that article draws are provacative and groundbreaking, ets. he tells us to invest intelligently and with caution -- sweet jesus i had no idea. i have no energy to get into this right now, but if i have a mountain of gold in my house, i'm a lot less likely to be able to sell that than if i have a lot full of cars for sale.
realization: ets has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:22:18 EST (#)
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Paranoia is the language of war, caution is the language of peace. """
You must have a hard-on for war with all the fear-mongering bullshit you've been posting since you're arrival on this website.
Caution worked like a charm for Chamberlain, didn't it?
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:17:46 EST (#)
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I was a douchebag idiot once too.
Don't worry, one day you'll get over it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:16:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:47:41 (#)
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The last thing I'm going to say is that I find it quite ironic that all the pro-war people are calling the anti-war people paranoid? Do you forget why you guys want to go to war? WMD that might exist, and might be used against the states. Why the hell would someone use a WMD against the states, do they think that would cripple them? No. it would mean the attacking country would be reduced to rubble in 24 hours and there wouldn't be a single person that would disagree.
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DING DING DING DING! We have a winner!
Paranoia is the language of war, caution is the language of peace.
Yea, I said that.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-22 16:14:13 EST (#)
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This article sums up the attitude I share, which is...value in paper currencies is directly proportional to the confidence of the people in the government that printed them.
It's no secret that confidence in the U.S. government is fading fast. Therefore, it only stands to reason that the dollar will follow... And it IS.
http://finance.yahoo.com/columnist/article/richricher/2987
"The primary reason why I keep my dollars moving is because I'm bearish on the greenback. We have all heard the saying, "The U.S. dollar is backed by the full faith and confidence of the U.S. government." It is unfortunate that faith and confidence in the U.S. government is eroding. I don't believe Americans have the stomach to make the changes that are required to run a fiscally responsible government and save the dollar.
When President George W. Bush attempted to reform Social Security, that proposal was more unpopular with Americans than the Iraq war. People love their entitlements. When Bush pushed the Prescription Drug Benefit plan through, I decided the U.S. dollar is toast. To me, all hope of avoiding financial disaster was gone. The American people have voted.
My concern is that very soon, citizens of the world will tire of America's gross fiscal mismanagement and hesitate to take U.S. dollars. In order to keep the world interested in the greenback, interest rates must rise. When that happens, U.S. assets, especially paper assets such as U.S. stocks, bonds, mutual funds, and savings will drop in value. Some real estate prices will increase because replacement costs are high, but overvalued real estate will drop."
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:48:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:38:22 (#)
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Wardy, iraq was never a threat. Not even it's neighbors were afriad of it. What were they going to attack us with again?
Also, you don't have to source and opinion.
Any of the number or facts listed in the article are EASILY checkable in a variey or sources.
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1 Their neighbors were afraid, but they would still rather not have infidels protect them from other muslims.
2 http://www.ubersite.com/m/85523#1895403
The whole post is based off of an imagined conspiracy having to do with the oil boarse, which would only hurt us if the "dollar hegemony" works as Liu said it does.
Read up on him.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:48:16 EST (#)
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Disagree with the use of force that is.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:47:41 EST (#)
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The last thing I'm going to say is that I find it quite ironic that all the pro-war people are calling the anti-war people paranoid? Do you forget why you guys want to go to war? WMD that might exist, and might be used against the states. Why the hell would someone use a WMD against the states, do they think that would cripple them? No. it would mean the attacking country would be reduced to rubble in 24 hours and there wouldn't be a single person that would disagree.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:43:53 EST (#)
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Well, i can honestly say i understand why people want to go to war with iran. Their leadership is crazy, and they're starting a nuclear program, but what people DON'T realize is that the consequences would be ridiculously huge if americas tries to attack.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-03-22 15:38:22 EST (#)
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Wardy, iraq was never a threat. Not even it's neighbors were afriad of it. What were they going to attack us with again?
Also, you don't have to source and opinion.
Any of the number or facts listed in the article are EASILY checkable in a variey or sources.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-03-22 13:09:02 EST (#)
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Thing is, Iran is signing long-term contracts with only a select few countries like China, so the system they choose to put in place with regard to the Euro are only applicable in THOSE sales. They don't have to be adopted by the entire globe to be viable. So, that's fallacy #1.
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Unfortunately for your logic, China doesn't have large amounts of euros - what they DO have is large amounts of DOLLARS, due to the 40 billion trade deficit.
It's all moot anyways - the Bourse was supposed to open this Monday, the 20th.
Where is it? Where is the big collapse of the dollar?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-22 11:10:40 EST (#)
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"Now give us an in-depth report on dollar hegemony (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm) and"
Can you name a single major news source that has reported on this?
Do you know the first guy I could find talking about this even in an opinion article? Asia times 2002 in a piece by Henry C K Liu (chairman of the New York-based Liu Investment Group).
http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html
I couldn't find much about him. I saw a few quotes from him on a site about a book called "Debunking Economics". http://www.debunking-economics.com/
"Debunking Economics may not delight economic conservatives, but it is certainly necessary. Our hope must be that it will be read by enough people to prompt reform of our economic thinking and save our endangered societies.'
-James Cumes, author of How to Become a Millionaire without really working, and other books
'Particularly useful to those, like myself, who are interested in economics but not formally trained in it. Debunking Economics reveals that neoclassical economic doctrines are faulty not because conditions have changed over time, but because the fundamental assumptions from which such doctrines have been derived are less than self-evident. This book will help create a more informed public so necessary for improving economic policy fromulation in a democratic society.'
-Henry C.K. Liu, Chairman, Liu Investment Group"
I think it is interesting that he has no training in economics, that I can find very little about his investment group, and that his quotes mirror the guy who wrote "How to Become a Millionaire without really working".
So what is really going on here. CNN, BBC, every major newspaper, even fucking Al-Jazeera are covering up this story, or Henry C.K. Liu is a crackpot. I would go with the second one since he isn't trained in economics, has an "investment group" that I can find nothing about, and has quotes next to a guy who writes books about pyramid schemes or other horseshit.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-22 09:22:56 EST (#)
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and you will be fully forgiven in my eyes and the eyes of those I speak to on a daily basis about your often irresponsible reporting. """
Jesus, you're fucking nut...what a lame gay ass threat.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-22 05:40:42 EST (#)
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Folks, please don't make ETS think that this post is still alive.
Seriously.
He needs to make more tinfoil hats.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-22 05:13:58 EST (#)
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ETS has always been quite reasonable to me, mad, but reasonable.
His posts are almost always some wierd combination of the blindingly obvious and the completely insane, but I appreciate them for the discourse they bring.
And by discourse I do of course mean web slanging matches where people rely on personal insults and frantic googling to declare themselves victorious.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-21 22:43:49 EST (#)
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clearly you don't watch the news. somebody at cnn is going to circulate this email and you are going to become an inside joke at cnn over night.
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I bet someone on their staff will post it on their blog and, ETS will become quasi-famous.
ETS, can I get your autograph?
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-21 22:40:44 EST (#)
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Did you actually send that to them? Funny if you did. They probably recieve 10,000 emails a day, do you think they read all of them? or even pay someone/s to read them?
What's your next post gonna be on? I wasn't around for the start of this one.
Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2006-03-21 22:35:32 EST (#)
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I read it all. I knew the vast majority of it already. But still, +2 for attempting to inform the ignorant.
I don't believe I have anything to the argument that hasn't already been added (for this war, or Bush's previous two). But how many wars does it take, George?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-21 22:33:27 EST (#)
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But just as I am capable of visceral criticism, I will be the first to praise progress, and I am pleased to see that Anderson Cooper 360 and CNN in general FINALLY beginning to actively question the war and the rest of the Bush administrations grave missteps.
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clearly you don't watch the news. somebody at cnn is going to circulate this email and you are going to become an inside joke at cnn over night.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-21 22:19:58 EST (#)
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An email to CNN and Anderson Cooper:
FINALLY!
You're finally starting to GET IT! America doesn't care about puff pieces right now.
In a time when this president is taking liberties with our liberties and being completely disingenuous on nearly every single issue that crosses his lips, CNN and Anderson Cooper 360 has been camping outside the Entwistle's and driving Natalie Halloway down our collective throats.
I have been a vocal critic of Anderson's show and CNN's ability to accurately and fully cover the relevant news to our day both in daily life and on internet blogs.
But just as I am capable of visceral criticism, I will be the first to praise progress, and I am pleased to see that Anderson Cooper 360 and CNN in general FINALLY beginning to actively question the war and the rest of the Bush administrations grave missteps.
Now give us an in-depth report on dollar hegemony (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm) and how $800 BILLION annual deficit is slowly choking our country, and you will be fully forgiven in my eyes and the eyes of those I speak to on a daily basis about your often irresponsible reporting.
Thank you sincerely.
Brad Linzy
Evansville, Indiana
USA
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-21 22:19:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:06:31 (#)
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I can't believe anyone would say I ignore or outright dismiss arguments.
For Christ's sake, look at all the reviews on this post! Look at how many are mine!
I am doing nothing BUT defending myself and my post and my views while at the same time trying to search the web for a multitude of backup sources, formulate thoughtful answers around them, and at the same time juggle about 15 different replies from 15 different people asking 15 different questions, all of whom want the best, most informed answer they've ever heard even though I am a self-confessed learner in all this too, and they can't even accept the answers I give them OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. --------------------------
doesn't that clue you in on the fact that maybe you are just wrong? just a thought...
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If ANYONE questions whether or not I thoughtfully and informatively answer all the questions I am posed, just read the reviews.
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informatively? hmmmm... check your sources... no seriously...
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...and for Wardy. Your shit is really starting to get old, friend. There is NOWHERE in this post I said ANYTHING to warrant this:
"how many times has ets purported that he is the only one capable of it in this post and the subsequent reviews."
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hmmm... maybe it was an overstatement, i guess you could be right. the people that agree with you are also capable of the truth.
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It's really about time you guys come off your idea that I am some self-righteous lunatic. I amight be forceful, I might be highly opinionated, and I might be a grade-A asshole to some people that piss me off with their incessant childish asking and RE-asking the same questions I've already completely addressed, but I am not a lunatic.
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if you're forceful, highly opinionated, and a grade-A asshole, that sounds pretty self-righteous to me. i don't think it's a far stretch from there to call you a lunatic, but you're the one that said it not me...
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I think I'm a pretty reasonable guy to those that are, themselves, reasonable and willing to disagree respectfully. Problem is, VERY FEW of you are...so, predictably, you get ETS, the Rampaging Asshole.
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yeah, you're the reasonable one when you go around and -2 posts with your alters and yourself in retaliation...
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There are many sides to my personality. Those who have been around a while might remember when it was "ETS-the guy who only posts puzzles". Then it was "ETS-the guy who only posts crappy Nirvana remakes". Then it was "ETS-the sometimes good poster, sometimes emo whiner". Now it's "ETS-the the conspiracy theorist/lunatic extraordinaire".
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many different personalities? and you're not a lunatic?
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When are you all gonna learn to stop trying to pigeonhole me? Doing so just makes you all look like jackasses when I eventually morph into something else.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA... morph away, you fucking lunatic...
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-21 21:54:05 EST (#)
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"Don't hate a playa for bringin' the truth.
That's just busted."
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Huh? Is that Indiana Ebonics?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-03-21 20:43:16 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Frequently, ETS stands for Extremely Tenuous Stance, but on this post
he is 100% right. The naysayers just want to get their lick in.
I say, lick this !!!! :) :)
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-21 19:57:13 EST (#)
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Don't hate a playa for bringin' the truth.
That's just busted.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-21 19:53:43 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:06:31 (#)
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When are you all gonna learn to stop trying to pigeonhole me? Doing so just makes you all look like jackasses when I eventually morph into something else.
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Morph? You aren't a fucking power ranger.
People don't hold special internet grudges against you, when you don't post crazy political BS people won't treat your posts like crazy political posts.
You will stop looking like a jackass when you stop posting the "truth".
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-03-21 19:48:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:06:31 (#)
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I am doing nothing BUT defending myself and my post and my views while at the same time trying to search the web for a multitude of backup sources, formulate thoughtful answers around them, and at the same time juggle about 15 different replies from 15 different people asking 15 different questions, all of whom want the best, most informed answer they've ever heard even though I am a self-confessed learner in all this too, and they can't even accept the answers I give them OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.
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There are many sides to my personality.
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When are you all gonna learn to stop trying to pigeonhole me? Doing so just makes you all look like jackasses when I eventually morph into something else.
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This was entirely my point too.
"Open your eyes...look up to the skies and seeeeee...."
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-21 19:18:45 EST (#)
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heheheh..
This post kinda reminded me of this: http://www.ubersite.com/m/68839
Submitted by Jacobt26 (user info) at 2006-03-21 18:06:24 EST (#)
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Jesus christ ETS, your name alone causes heat.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:59:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:26:24 (#)
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BadAssJulie gets "best reply to ETS" EVER!
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Eh, just pointing out the obvious. I just about fell over and died when I read this though:
"DO NOT TURN YOUR BACK ON THE TRUTH OR I SHALL SMITE YOU WITH MY INTERNET POWERS! THE PETRO-DOLLARS ARE COMING TO RAPE YOUR FIRST-BORN!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:57:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:50:03 (#)
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You're right...10 minutes is just TOO LONG to wait for a reply from someone who is at work at the time. I gave you a few different possible answers on the EU issue. Any of which could easily explain why they're doing what they're doing. """
-- I recall that you replied to all sorts of arguments while I kept reitarating mine (which I had used on another one of your post already where you ignored it too). And it took a little more than an hour. And you're an Internet Support Technician, so who cares if you're at work. But that's only one example and I don't want to get into one of your tedious argument where you play on words in order to save face. Many times I've seen you delibaratingly ignore valid arguments and that is a fact. End of story.
From now on, I'm at your beckon-Caul.
*rolls eyes* """
You are my beacon!?! ENLIGHTEN ME!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:50:03 EST (#)
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You're right...10 minutes is just TOO LONG to wait for a reply from someone who is at work at the time. I gave you a few different possible answers on the EU issue. Any of which could easily explain why they're doing what they're doing.
From now on, I'm at your beckon-Caul.
*rolls eyes*
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:38:52 EST (#)
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Not once have you ever stand down even though your "theories" have been disproved, if not outright ridiculed. The only arguments you respond to are the ones you can refute with Internet "sources". The rest you ignore or attack the author. It took me ten times before you finally answered my argument about the EU, in a rather poorly way I might add.
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I feel obligated to state that ETS has backed off on a couple of his theories when given knowledgable rebuttles, although the second part of that statement holds some truth.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:32:29 EST (#)
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There are many sides to my personality. Those who have been around a while might remember when it was "ETS-the guy who only posts puzzles". Then it was "ETS-the guy who only posts crappy Nirvana remakes". Then it was "ETS-the sometimes good poster, sometimes emo whiner". Now it's "ETS-the the conspiracy theorist/lunatic extraordinaire".
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I prefer "ETS, the Rampaging Asshole" myself
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:26:24 EST (#)
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BadAssJulie gets "best reply to ETS" EVER!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:24:48 EST (#)
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It's really about time you guys come off your idea that I am some self-righteous lunatic"""
You've painted yourself in a corner a long long time ago. What can we do!?
I think I'm a pretty reasonable guy to those that are, themselves, reasonable and willing to disagree respectfully. """
Not once have you ever stand down even though your "theories" have been disproved, if not outright ridiculed. The only arguments you respond to are the ones you can refute with Internet "sources". The rest you ignore or attack the author. It took me ten times before you finally answered my argument about the EU, in a rather poorly way I might add.
You're a crazy person ETS and eventually you will realize it.
Until then, keep entertaining us, petit sot! :-)
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:21:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-21 16:29:32 (#)
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"DO NOT TURN YOUR BACK ON THE TRUTH OR I SHALL SMITE YOU WITH MY INTERNET POWERS! THE PETRO-DOLLARS ARE COMING TO RAPE YOUR FIRST-BORN!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
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hahahahah
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-03-21 17:19:30 EST (#)
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I can't believe you guys are still arguing about this.
ETS- Before you get your panties twisted in a bigger knot than they're already in, I'll say I don't hate you. I don't like or dislike you but I almost feel sorry for you because you're so incredibly paranoid that you probably can't sleep at night. Now, I'm going to give you a little advice. Maybe if you 1)would do actual research(by this I mean looking up info from reputable sources that both supports and contradicts your ideas) before jumping to the conclusion that the world is ending for some reason or another, 2)didn't try to force your OPINION onto others, 3)didn't claim that your opinions are facts and absolute truths, 4)weren't such an immature, arrogant, self-righteous prick who throws a hissy fit anytime someone disagrees with you and/or points out the flaws in your "truths," people would actually take the things you have to say into consideration.
You think you're an advocate of truth? Well, here are a few truths for you:
- The whole world is not out to get you.
- Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean it's a personal attack(this is especially true of people on the internet who don't even know you).
- More than likely the world is not coming to an end and even if it is, there's nothing you or any one person can do to stop it.
- You can't believe everything you read or see.
- You're just one guy sitting at a desk in the middle of nowhere. You're not helping anyone or any of your causes, especially with the way you present your ideas and act like such an ass when defending them. If anything, you're only pushing people away from accepting your "truths."
- If anyone was really interrested in any of this bullshit that you put out, they could look it up themselves the same way you did and come to their own conclusions.
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