Bets Anyone? (3166 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-02 20:50:54 EDT
We asked for it.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/03/31/coral.death.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WEATHER/04/02/midwest.storms.ap/index.html
This year's weather and climate disaster potential is yawning to life here in the midwestern United States. Another line of storms is hurdling across the upper midwest as I speak and exceptionally warm waters in the Carribbean are already taking their toll on coral life. Image what new cyclonic weather monsters it will spawn this year! WOO HOO!
This can only mean one thing.....betting time!
Time to put your money where your mouth is. You think I'm crazy when I talk all this nonsense about climate change and such? Let's put it to a bet.
Here are some completely arbitrary and unfounded odds that insult your intelligence as readers and are probably about right at the same time:
Odds: 5:1 The eastern seaboard (Anywhere from Georgia to Maine) will recieve a direct hit from a Cat3 or higher hurricane.
Odds: 5:1 This will be the worst year for severe tornados in U.S. recorded history. 1974 is the record with over 250 of severity F3 or higher.
Odds 2:1 The total number of tornados magnitude F3 or higher exceeds 100 for the entire U.S.
Odds: 5:1 This will be the worst year for hurricanes in the Atlantic basin in recorded history. Record - 2005 with 27 named storms.
Odds 3:1 Drought and forest fires will plague western states burning more than 3 million acres.
Odds 2:1 The gulf coast gets hit by at least one Cat5.
For instance if the total number of tornados of magnitude F3 or higher exceeds 100 for the entire U.S., and you bet me $10 on it, you will owe me $20. However if I lose, I will owe you $10.
I'll take any serious bets not exceeding $10 U.S. Stake your claim on a win on January 1, 2007 or later. I will consider any other reasonable bets as long as they are concerning world weather or climate and can be in some way quantified at the end of the year.
All statistics will be taken from this website as official: http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~storms
I strongly advise you to do your research before placing bets.
Without further ado, let the games begin.
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-20 16:47:46 EST (#)
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He must owe billions...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-28 13:31:49 EST (#)
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http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/2006/11/28/2530545-sun.html
Guess what dipshit everytime a record is broken it doesn't mean it is the end of the world.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-27 11:08:49 EST (#)
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http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1958286,00.html
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-10-03 17:53:41 EDT (#)
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Pay up, ya stupid fuck.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-10-03 17:13:50 EDT (#)
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I was kinda hoping for one while we were in New Orleans too. That would have been kinda cool.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-10-03 16:36:11 EDT (#)
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i really, really, really want a hurricane to come to houston.
that would kick ass.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-10-03 16:23:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-10-03 15:50:28 (#)
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all your hurricne predictions are bollocks
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Season ain't over yet.
The 8 million acres of wildfires so far burned this year far exceeded my wild prediction, though.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-10-03 15:50:28 EDT (#)
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all your hurricne predictions are bollocks
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-10-03 15:27:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-23 03:39:38 (#)
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Odds 3:1 Drought and forest fires will plague western states burning more than 3 million acres.
Totals as of early September
9/4/2006
Nationwide Number of Fires
83,638
Nationwide Number of Acres Burned
8,098,182
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2006/fire06.html
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You do realize that only 2 times in the last six years have we dipped below 3 million burnt acres?
it really isn't a bold prediction or an earth shattering coincidence when the amount of fire is exactly what is expected.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-23 03:39:38 EDT (#)
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Odds 3:1 Drought and forest fires will plague western states burning more than 3 million acres.
Totals as of early September
9/4/2006
Nationwide Number of Fires
83,638
Nationwide Number of Acres Burned
8,098,182
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2006/fire06.html
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-22 09:33:32 EDT (#)
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http://www.weatherstreet.com/hurricane/2006/hurricane-atlantic-2006-below-normal-season.htm
"In the hurricane category, this year is decidedly below normal, with no hurricanes so far, while by this date 1.5 hurricanes have formed in the average of years 1944 though 2005."
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/21/060821191826.o0mynclv.html
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:17:50 EDT (#)
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You will die!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-02 13:39:20 EDT (#)
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Holy fucking shit! Someone stole my fucking idea!!!
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOU_HURRICANE_BETTING_FLOL-?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 18:16:44 EDT (#)
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http://www.tornadochaser.net/tornalley.html oops
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 18:16:09 EDT (#)
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I just found a great website.
I follwed my last CNN link and they had a link there that illustrates 'tornado alley'. I was surprised they included Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky...my area. I wanted to know I wasn't crazy, so I googled 'tornado alley', and here is a guy that agrees with me that this area should be considered part of 'tornado alley' and has been increasingly dangerous over the past few years.
The maps and facts there are interesting.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 17:59:22 EDT (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WEATHER/04/25/oklahoma.storms.ap/
Oklahoma storms spawn tornadoes
Tuesday, April 25, 2006; Posted: 10:00 a.m. EDT (14:00 GMT)
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 11:41:26 EDT (#)
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Ten to 12 tornadoes reported
No injuries or major damage known in central Illinois storms
Monday, April 17, 2006
http://www.pjstar.com/stories/041706/TRI_B9ICTPTF.048.shtml
Posted on Mon, Apr. 17, 2006
Tornadoes spotted in several central Illinois counties
http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/local/14361234.htm
Tornado Ruled An F-2
Gage County Expects Volunteers On Monday
POSTED: 9:15 am CDT April 17, 2006
UPDATED: 9:26 am CDT April 17, 2006
http://www.ketv.com/news/8766580/detail.html
Posted on Sun, Apr. 16, 2006
More storms, possible tornadoes move into Indiana
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/local/14357874.htm
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-17 10:54:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-04-14 02:07:08 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-12 10:32:09 (#)
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Alarm rather than genuine scientific curiosity, it appears, is essential to maintaining funding. And only the most senior scientists today can stand up against this alarmist gale, and defy the iron triangle of climate scientists, advocates and policymakers.
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Who's the conspiracy theorist now?
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I didn't write it, I was quoting the article by Lindzen (a respected scientist, not a whack job without any real education).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 15:49:45 EDT (#)
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Severe storms threaten Midwest again
2:12 p.m. ET 4/16/2006
B. Bernard, Meteorologist, The Weather Channel
http://www.weather.com/newscenter/stormwatch/
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-14 03:20:05 EDT (#)
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Tornadoes kill at least one in eastern Iowa
Band of storms crush homes, cars, topple trees
Updated: 1:55 a.m. ET April 14, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12309797/
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-04-14 02:07:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-12 10:32:09 (#)
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Alarm rather than genuine scientific curiosity, it appears, is essential to maintaining funding. And only the most senior scientists today can stand up against this alarmist gale, and defy the iron triangle of climate scientists, advocates and policymakers.
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Who's the conspiracy theorist now?
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2006-04-14 01:40:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-02 23:54:21 (#)
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Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2006-04-02 23:21:45 (#)
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Odds: 5:1 The eastern seaboard (Anywhere from Georgia to Maine) will recieve a direct hit from a Cat3 or higher hurricane.
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Also known as every goddamned summer? "I predict that this season will have days...and NIGHTS! I also predict that time will pass, and people will die around the world during this season."
Thanks a lot, Miss Cleo.
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Cat3's on the east coast are not as frequent as you might think.
http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~storms
Go there, select one of the states on the east coast and look at the hurricane events since 1990 for instance. You can break them up by state and look at the type (hurricane or tropical storm) and read about their intensity. Cat3's are actually few and far between on the east coast.
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Yeah, I'm sure someone who doesn't live in Florida would know the weather here better than someone who was outside during three destructive hurricanes in one summer. The types that closed Disney World, which closes for like...nothing. Unlike some, I don't need a link to tell me that it was a hurricane I was walking through.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:03:50 EDT (#)
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Mr. Lindzen is right! Climatologists are trying to rule the planet through FEAR! OMG!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES FROM THE CLIMATOLOGISTS!
THE CLIMATOLOGISTS ARE COMING!!111!!! THE CLIMATOLOGISTS ARE COMING!!!!!!1!!1!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-12 10:32:09 EDT (#)
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220
Climate of Fear
Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence.
BY RICHARD LINDZEN
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT
There have been repeated claims that this past year's hurricane activity was another sign of human-induced climate change. Everything from the heat wave in Paris to heavy snows in Buffalo has been blamed on people burning gasoline to fuel their cars, and coal and natural gas to heat, cool and electrify their homes. Yet how can a barely discernible, one-degree increase in the recorded global mean temperature since the late 19th century possibly gain public acceptance as the source of recent weather catastrophes? And how can it translate into unlikely claims about future catastrophes?
The answer has much to do with misunderstanding the science of climate, plus a willingness to debase climate science into a triangle of alarmism. Ambiguous scientific statements about climate are hyped by those with a vested interest in alarm, thus raising the political stakes for policy makers who provide funds for more science research to feed more alarm to increase the political stakes. After all, who puts money into science--whether for AIDS, or space, or climate--where there is nothing really alarming? Indeed, the success of climate alarmism can be counted in the increased federal spending on climate research from a few hundred million dollars pre-1990 to $1.7 billion today. It can also be seen in heightened spending on solar, wind, hydrogen, ethanol and clean coal technologies, as well as on other energy-investment decisions.
But there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis.
To understand the misconceptions perpetuated about climate science and the climate of intimidation, one needs to grasp some of the complex underlying scientific issues. First, let's start where there is agreement. The public, press and policy makers have been repeatedly told that three claims have widespread scientific support: Global temperature has risen about a degree since the late 19th century; levels of CO2 in the atmosphere have increased by about 30% over the same period; and CO2 should contribute to future warming. These claims are true. However, what the public fails to grasp is that the claims neither constitute support for alarm nor establish man's responsibility for the small amount of warming that has occurred. In fact, those who make the most outlandish claims of alarm are actually demonstrating skepticism of the very science they say supports them. It isn't just that the alarmists are trumpeting model results that we know must be wrong. It is that they are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn't happen even if the models were right as justifying costly policies to try to prevent global warming.
If the models are correct, global warming reduces the temperature differences between the poles and the equator. When you have less difference in temperature, you have less excitation of extratropical storms, not more. And, in fact, model runs support this conclusion. Alarmists have drawn some support for increased claims of tropical storminess from a casual claim by Sir John Houghton of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that a warmer world would have more evaporation, with latent heat providing more energy for disturbances. The problem with this is that the ability of evaporation to drive tropical storms relies not only on temperature but humidity as well, and calls for drier, less humid air. Claims for starkly higher temperatures are based upon there being more humidity, not less--hardly a case for more storminess with global warming.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-12 10:31:51 EDT (#)
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So how is it that we don't have more scientists speaking up about this junk science? It's my belief that many scientists have been cowed not merely by money but by fear. An example: Earlier this year, Texas Rep. Joe Barton issued letters to paleoclimatologist Michael Mann and some of his co-authors seeking the details behind a taxpayer-funded analysis that claimed the 1990s were likely the warmest decade and 1998 the warmest year in the last millennium. Mr. Barton's concern was based on the fact that the IPCC had singled out Mr. Mann's work as a means to encourage policy makers to take action. And they did so before his work could be replicated and tested--a task made difficult because Mr. Mann, a key IPCC author, had refused to release the details for analysis. The scientific community's defense of Mr. Mann was, nonetheless, immediate and harsh. The president of the National Academy of Sciences--as well as the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Union--formally protested, saying that Rep. Barton's singling out of a scientist's work smacked of intimidation.
All of which starkly contrasts to the silence of the scientific community when anti-alarmists were in the crosshairs of then-Sen. Al Gore. In 1992, he ran two congressional hearings during which he tried to bully dissenting scientists, including myself, into changing our views and supporting his climate alarmism. Nor did the scientific community complain when Mr. Gore, as vice president, tried to enlist Ted Koppel in a witch hunt to discredit anti-alarmist scientists--a request that Mr. Koppel deemed publicly inappropriate. And they were mum when subsequent articles and books by Ross Gelbspan libelously labeled scientists who differed with Mr. Gore as stooges of the fossil-fuel industry.
Sadly, this is only the tip of a non-melting iceberg. In Europe, Henk Tennekes was dismissed as research director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Society after questioning the scientific underpinnings of global warming. Aksel Winn-Nielsen, former director of the U.N.'s World Meteorological Organization, was tarred by Bert Bolin, first head of the IPCC, as a tool of the coal industry for questioning climate alarmism. Respected Italian professors Alfonso Sutera and Antonio Speranza disappeared from the debate in 1991, apparently losing climate-research funding for raising questions.
And then there are the peculiar standards in place in scientific journals for articles submitted by those who raise questions about accepted climate wisdom. At Science and Nature, such papers are commonly refused without review as being without interest. However, even when such papers are published, standards shift. When I, with some colleagues at NASA, attempted to determine how clouds behave under varying temperatures, we discovered what we called an "Iris Effect," wherein upper-level cirrus clouds contracted with increased temperature, providing a very strong negative climate feedback sufficient to greatly reduce the response to increasing CO2. Normally, criticism of papers appears in the form of letters to the journal to which the original authors can respond immediately. However, in this case (and others) a flurry of hastily prepared papers appeared, claiming errors in our study, with our responses delayed months and longer. The delay permitted our paper to be commonly referred to as "discredited." Indeed, there is a strange reluctance to actually find out how climate really behaves. In 2003, when the draft of the U.S. National Climate Plan urged a high priority for improving our knowledge of climate sensitivity, the National Research Council instead urged support to look at the impacts of the warming--not whether it would actually happen.
Alarm rather than genuine scientific curiosity, it appears, is essential to maintaining funding. And only the most senior scientists today can stand up against this alarmist gale, and defy the iron triangle of climate scientists, advocates and policymakers.
Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:00:37 EDT (#)
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Congratulations!!! It's a -2
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-07 23:41:16 EDT (#)
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I won't even rate this. Fuck.
Please write something funny again. Please.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-07 23:14:47 EDT (#)
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Deadly storms batter Southeastern U.S.
11 deaths reported; more severe weather expected in region
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WEATHER/04/07/tennessee.severe.weather/index.html
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:17:59 EDT (#)
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It hasn't rained for 40 days here.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:33:32 EDT (#)
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we asked for it?
fuck off.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:02:44 EDT (#)
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how much whiny bullshit is enough?
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:48:31 EDT (#)
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Wah wah fuckin wah
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-04 17:43:00 EDT (#)
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"If I was the leader of the world, the road to self-sufficiency would begin here - by subsidizing the building of underground homes, solar panels, and wind mills. Builders who followed these guidelines would get a break on their property taxes courtesy of the government"
Good idea, I hadn't thought of that and I've considered quite a lot of my manifesto for after I conquer france.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-04 17:36:26 EDT (#)
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Natural disasters kill people and sometimes it isn't anyones fault.
If you really want to change the world for the better, try doing something about the millions of US citizens that live below the poverty line or the people who live with no decent access to freshwater, it only costs about £60,000 for a pipe well for a village.
You're literally shouting at the thunder man.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-04 15:45:00 EDT (#)
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Storms, tornadoes kill at least 27
At least 63 twisters reported in 7 states
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0604040112apr04,1,413851.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
Submitted by toucan_sam (user info) at 2006-04-04 14:08:22 EDT (#)
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you suck.
Submitted by gank (user info) at 2006-04-04 11:41:50 EDT (#)
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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
All of your research is a waste of time. It smacks of two very revealing things: INTERPRETATION and SPECULATION. Even when I agree with you, I don't like how you got there. You're such a fucking fundamentalist it's annoying. Except you're thumping something other than Bibles.
It's an insult to my intelligence to waste another second on any more of your political posts. I'm not even going to do it to amuse myself, as an earlier reviewer said.
Don't trouble yourself to respond to this, because I won't see it. Say whatever you want about me, like you do to everyone else who disagrees. Unlike you, I really don't give a fuck.
-2, more heat for you, but never again.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-04 11:21:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-02 21:25:30 (#)
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Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2006-04-02 21:19:40 (#)
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Can we place bets on the land area of Florida in 2050?
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I'll give you Odds 4:1 - Complete disappearance of Florida Keys by 2020.
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Whoa, If I trusted you enough I'd take that bet, I think sea levels are expected to rise by about 10cm by 2020. That'll overwhelm sea walls for sure.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-04 11:18:48 EDT (#)
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I think you may be on to a loser with the gulf coast one, though the others seem pretty set.
Its definately not my area of expertise but I think the weather systems have to be just right to direct a storm in there.
Submitted by MichelleNJ (user info) at 2006-04-04 09:39:47 EDT (#)
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Paranoid much?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2006-04-04 08:52:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:19:23 (#)
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badass: 12 consecutive most heated posts don't lie. Every hit gets my ideas further up the google ladder.
I might be a little eccentirc at times, but I assure you, I am very sane. I pretty much gave up on my initial agenda of enlightening people to things that are going on in the world and offering my opinions in a delicate way a long time ago.
Now it's just personal.
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Threatening to gut or shoot people who disagree with you isn't sane. You are fucking nuts.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-04 08:10:41 EDT (#)
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conservative girls who put out in orgies make me hot.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-04 07:42:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 20:41:23 (#)
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Is having an actual opinion such a fucking sin?
For christ sakes if you dont agree at least give a coherent arguement, it makes ETS RIGHT if you just go "hur hur, you is a mental case!"
Oh Gods, when did I become on ETSs side?!
Next I'll be agreeing with him!
I DIE!
*dies*
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No but I think arguing with ETS might be, and if not I know it gets you nowhere. He is too full of himself to listen to anyone. I have given up trying to reason with hiim, I come here to amuse myself.
and laugh at gems like this http://www.ubersite.com/m/86170#1915593
Submitted by hollygolitely (user info) at 2006-04-03 23:52:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-03 23:35:58 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/86170#1915064 --- hhahahahahhaha... oh, and the fact that you are calling that o'brien guy is priceless. if there are so many mountains of evidence for global warming, then why is there no proof? your chaos theory idea about the weather pattern is a brilliant cop out, too, but it really is pretty apparent you didn't understand what wikipedia was saying in their discussion of it. the fact that you call o'brien a moron pretty much sums that up. sorry about the delayed response, but i was working. you know, that thing i do to help stimulate the economy and make *worthless* dollars that help me buy all the shit that you wish you had.
no, not acid.
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You know nothing twit. Bush killed the dinosaurs. We started global warming long before we existed.
We're pro-active like that.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-03 23:35:58 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/86170#1915064 --- hhahahahahhaha... oh, and the fact that you are calling that o'brien guy is priceless. if there are so many mountains of evidence for global warming, then why is there no proof? your chaos theory idea about the weather pattern is a brilliant cop out, too, but it really is pretty apparent you didn't understand what wikipedia was saying in their discussion of it. the fact that you call o'brien a moron pretty much sums that up. sorry about the delayed response, but i was working. you know, that thing i do to help stimulate the economy and make *worthless* dollars that help me buy all the shit that you wish you had.
no, not acid.
Submitted by hollygolitely (user info) at 2006-04-03 23:00:08 EDT (#)
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You're killing me.
If the "government" has a special weather altering flying machine that you've tracked down with your superior googling skillz, does it not stand to reason that "they" also have mastered time travel?
I mean, it's clear at some point in a version of the future, you will save the world from the Bush backed anti-christ and so, you must be destroyed. Since you've done a good job of fucking yourself, all "they" had to do was go back in time and implant microchips in your finger nails (which is why they are so sturdy and require little sun light to grow — they're genetically modified) while you were watching Captain Planet, Season 2, Episode 8 for the 15th time, in a drug induced coma. These SENPs (specially embedded nail pieces) accept direction from future dictators, whose sole purpose is to cause you to have erratic behavior so that no one listens to your testimony.
I would link you to the "real" patent site (jumping bean powered semis and all!), but they do not allow 14 hundred junk links/adverts....Instead, you have to pledge your allegiance to oil and the all mighty dollar to gain clearance (someone has to pay for the space).
What do you say?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 20:58:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 20:39:28 (#)
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listen man, i didn't even bring up this particular issue in my reply there. I was simply speaking to you about how you go about yourself here and you can't even see past your latest quest to answer the questions .
in my later review I asked about you wasting time here...and you ignored it.
I AM one the FEW people that are being rational with you, not degrading you and yet you still can't properly address what i'm saying.
you say you want people to listen to facts and in the same FUCKING sentence you make accusations of 'paid minions' and some other shit about spouting bullshit.
you call Obrien a bullshitter, well I don't know him and neither do you but to fucking PRESUME that you MIGHT know more than him on any fucking subject from Hurricanes to wiping your fucking ass is ridiculous
I'm done man...you might actually get SOME of the broad picture...and you should take that as a compliment...but you don't fucking get the right here right now realty a fucking lick.
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You know how many times I've answered the question about taking my message somewhere else? My answer is always the same. I DO take my message elsewhere. I do things outside this website. It's not always all I CAN do, but it's a start. I'm not saying I'm perfect. Never have. But I do more than any of you seem to think I do.
I think I've addressed everything you're saying NUMEROUS times on this website.
I linked you to webpages accounting people from NOAA who had their jobs threatened for speaking out against global warming. What more do you want from me? You want me to go torture the people responsible to get a confession? Cause that's seeming more and more like the only way I can satisfactorily answer any of you.
Yes I called O'Brien a fucking bullshitter in SPITE OF his qualifications because in my opinion anyone who can still say "absolutely not" when asked if global warming is playing a part in last year's hurricane season is either a bad scientist, or is getting paid a pretty penny by big oil.
For every Dr. O'Brien there are 100 other scientists all saying that global warming is a fucking reality.
"but to fucking PRESUME that you MIGHT know more than him on any fucking subject from Hurricanes to wiping your fucking ass is ridiculous"
Thing is, I don't have to know more than him, badass. There are a million people just as qualified as this joker saying the exact opposite....AND they're backing it up with hard evidence.
MOUNTAINS of it, in fact. So, you see, it really has nothing to do with me whatsoever. I'm just the messenger, and yet all you people want to do is shoot me instead of going and reading the things I link you to.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-03 20:10:45 (#)
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Ummm, I bet you cut yourself.
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Is having an actual opinion such a fucking sin?
For christ sakes if you dont agree at least give a coherent arguement, it makes ETS RIGHT if you just go "hur hur, you is a mental case!"
Oh Gods, when did I become on ETSs side?!
Next I'll be agreeing with him!
I DIE!
*dies*
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 20:40:36 EDT (#)
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Dr. James J. O'brien
Proffesional Resume
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/bios/obrien.html
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 20:39:28 EDT (#)
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listen man, i didn't even bring up this particular issue in my reply there. I was simply speaking to you about how you go about yourself here and you can't even see past your latest quest to answer the questions .
in my later review I asked about you wasting time here...and you ignored it.
I AM one the FEW people that are being rational with you, not degrading you and yet you still can't properly address what i'm saying.
you say you want people to listen to facts and in the same FUCKING sentence you make accusations of 'paid minions' and some other shit about spouting bullshit.
you call Obrien a bullshitter, well I don't know him and neither do you but to fucking PRESUME that you MIGHT know more than him on any fucking subject from Hurricanes to wiping your fucking ass is ridiculous
I'm done man...you might actually get SOME of the broad picture...and you should take that as a compliment...but you don't fucking get the right here right now realty a fucking lick.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-04-03 20:12:36 EDT (#)
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And on a nicer note, I think you might like this band:
http://www.purevolume.com/codeseven
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-03 20:10:45 EDT (#)
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Ummm, I bet you cut yourself.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-04-03 19:48:04 EDT (#)
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"Give me time. I ain't done yet."
Uh huh. Let me know when you get started.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 19:03:50 EDT (#)
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The biggest problem with thw whole global warming arguement is that someone has to pay the piper. The piper in this case are the scientists researching the phenomenon. People would be more willing to believe the evidence of a team of scientists who have good financial backing and access to the best equipment.
However these are also the scientists who are most likely to give a biased opinion matching that of their benefactors as no scientists wants to lose his funding or backing.
Although I would like to think if I was on some sort of team and was told to skew some results for a kickback Id refuse, I probably wouldnt or couldnt since it would allow me to continue the work I actually wanted to do.
Scientists with no funding or backing cant research anything except that which is being published by those with backing etc
It works both ways, since those scientists working for 'green' organisations will be under as much pressure from their top men as scientists working for the oild industry etc
Theres no easy answer until we come up with some way to stop humans being dishonest and selfish.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:52:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:39:35 (#)
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you say people won't listen
which implies that you are trying to teach them
can you be pacified by the idea that you showed them the door...even if in the end they don't agree?
is the end goal to get them to think and arrive at their own decision?
because the other option...to tell them and demand they agree...submitting them to the same herding, brainwashing...whatever...that you tell them they are victim to right now?
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It's not the same.
I want people to arrive that their own conclusion, but I want it to be based on the FACTS, not on conjecture and opinions by paid minions or a bunch of misleading sidetracks thrown up to obfuscate the point.
I would like people to be able to read the argument and think for themselves rather than superimpose their presuppositions about me onto everything I say.
I have nothing to gain through this. Nothing. In fact, I've lost what rapport I had on this site because of this.
Why in the FUCK would I want to brainwash anyone into believing global warming was due to man? Why? Am I gonna have an army of global warming believers following me or something? No. Are they gonna do my fucking laundry? No.
However, on the flipside, you see some of the richest and most powerful individuals in the world arguing against it - trying to preserve the status quo.
It doesn't take much to see whose motives are pure here.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:43:10 EDT (#)
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No, Filthy...it's a fucking failure.
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Fair enough dude, but I disagree. All I know is if I could find 300 people to agree with something I'd said, I'd be pretty fucking chuffed.
First of all- ETS didn't "say" anything original. He just regurgitated some OTHER nutjobs' idea and concept and posted it on the internet, where a gazilion people have the opportunity to read it and sign the stupid fucking petition.
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BULLSHIT. Find it. Show me where someone else said anything NEAR that same thing about that issue.
In fact, I'd only read ONE SINGLE ARTICLE on BBC's website about the land sale. At the time, there was nothing else on google about it AT ALL.
I wrote it I researched all the numbers my fucking self. I don't understand why it's so hard for some of you to understand how that sort of thing is done. All that tells me is you have never done it your fucking self.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:42:34 EDT (#)
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First of all- ETS didn't "say" anything original. He just regurgitated some OTHER nutjobs' idea and concept and posted it on the internet, where a gazilion people have the opportunity to read it and sign the stupid fucking petition.
So the fact that only 300 people did so is pretty insignificant in that respect, for starters.
Secondly, you know what really gets you chuffed? Playing original music in front of 1000+ people, which I've done many times. See, that's real "face-to-face" interaction where you even get to see and feel the reactions, good or bad.
For all you know, those 300 retards who signed his unoriginal petition are only 78 different people...kind of like Uber.
So forgive me if I'm not impressed.
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I don't need to forgive you - I don't take it as a personal affront if someone disagrees with me.
As for the emphasis you put on saying something original, I think you're on shaky ground there. I'd argue that pretty much everything any of us have ever said is a regurgitation of something else if we drill it down far enough (but that would take us off on a huge tangent that would end in some kind of semiotic knife fight) - there are only so many notes dude.
And although a gazillion people have the opportunity to read something on the internet, that doesn't mean they are likely to. Damn, it's hard enough to find something you're actually looking for, let alone stumble across something you don't even know about. People were passing the link around to their friends and discussing it, and that's the point - if it brought the issue to the attention of even one person that wasn't previously aware of it, it has done its job.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:39:50 EDT (#)
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"""O'Brien: But what's amazing is if you actually looked at the trends in the Atlantic
Ocean - the region where hurricanes form from five north to 20 north - from Africa
over to the United States, it's actually cooling down. So, I mean yes, there are
hotspots in the globe which are warming up, but not in the Atlantic hurricane
formation region. So, their theory doesn't really hold water."""
This fucker is full of shit.
For one thing, it doesn't matter where the hurricane forms. All three of last year's Cat 5's hit the gulf and roared into monsters in a matter of hours. I will remind you that last year was unprecedented in history both in terms of hurricane frequency AND strength.
If global warming is not to blame, then what is? Why are the waters of the gulf so hot? Where is his evidence of a cooling Atlantic? Where's the study? IS there a study? If I just spouted my mouth off like that without links, I'd get reamed.
Yet this guy can spout stupid shit like this and get away with it because....WHY???....because he's a scientist with the 'trust me' credentials? Show me the numbers. I want data. I don't want his opinions. I want him to back up his claims as well.
Yet here you have a director from a government-funded center aligning himself with the political status quo. Surprise.
http://www-ocean.tamu.edu/GCOOS/System/costs.pdf
This is a political game to some and an urgent problem to others. I don't trust much NOAA says anymore unless it's just raw data. That's about all I use their site for since I heard about the way the government agency has been treating its employees: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/feb2006/nasa-f15.shtml
Wait till the Democrats control Congress, you'll be hearing a slightly different tune from NOAA and its related affiliates - depending on who's signing their pay checks.
There is a great deal of money to be made in denying global warming for as long as possible. Don't forget that.
Believe who you want though. I've seen enough to know where I stand.
You act like I haven't heard people skeptical of global warming before. I've been doing nothing but reading about this shit for the past god knows how long.
"ETS, if you are open minded on this subject then maybe you'll read this"
I'll read just about anything...being swayed by an opinion is another story.
Funny thing though...obviously there are others in NOAA who disagree with Dr. O'Brien: http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html
I wonder why he hasn't spoken to any of them.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:36:03 EDT (#)
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That still gives me flashbacks as bad as any 'nam veteran.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:31:40 EDT (#)
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I think Urbane was real too, because the proof is in the beef curtains.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:30:05 EDT (#)
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I know Im real, someone had to set up the site so Bart must be real, theres no way someone would pretend to be ETS so hes real. Youre probably real as well, hmmm. Actually Im thinking maybe there are about 12 real people, the rest are Method.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:25:24 EDT (#)
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Well, TTOM, I was just approximating. I may have been a little high in my estimate.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:22:29 EDT (#)
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theres no WAY there are as many as 78 'real' people on uber, 20 tops
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:25:12 (#)
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No, Filthy...it's a fucking failure.
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Fair enough dude, but I disagree. All I know is if I could find 300 people to agree with something I'd said, I'd be pretty fucking chuffed.
First of all- ETS didn't "say" anything original. He just regurgitated some OTHER nutjobs' idea and concept and posted it on the internet, where a gazilion people have the opportunity to read it and sign the stupid fucking petition.
So the fact that only 300 people did so is pretty insignificant in that respect, for starters.
Secondly, you know what really gets you chuffed? Playing original music in front of 1000+ people, which I've done many times. See, that's real "face-to-face" interaction where you even get to see and feel the reactions, good or bad.
For all you know, those 300 retards who signed his unoriginal petition are only 78 different people...kind of like Uber.
So forgive me if I'm not impressed.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 18:03:22 EDT (#)
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no, you're right TTOM but I get the feeling that it is not just discussion that ETS is looking for and the whole thing turns into a debacle
sure he is not solely at fault but to address the reviewers on uber is futile...you must address the poster and his responsibility to what he has written
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:49:57 EDT (#)
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theres nothing wrong with a bot of discussion, its not as though he's winning us round, is it?
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:49:06 EDT (#)
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Can you idiots knock it off for five minutes?
Talk about giving a moron exactly what he wants, when he wants, ALL THE TIME!
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:47:54 EDT (#)
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and if you claim to be steadfast in your desire to spread the word and cmae to the realization that it will not work here aren't you doing yourself and your cause a disservice by spending the time you do here? Wouldn't that time be better spent serviing your plight?
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:39:35 EDT (#)
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you say people won't listen
which implies that you are trying to teach them
can you be pacified by the idea that you showed them the door...even if in the end they don't agree?
is the end goal to get them to think and arrive at their own decision?
because the other option...to tell them and demand they agree...submitting them to the same herding, brainwashing...whatever...that you tell them they are victim to right now?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:31:36 EDT (#)
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so if your true goal is to enlighten, then I'll assume that you'd be willing to do whatever it took to achieve it and from there possibly accept my challenge to present and idea, present your side of it, encourage people to investigate it on thier own and then hold a mature and open minded debate floor.
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Tried it. It doesn't work. Not here.
People simply will not listen. I think everyone here might just have ADD.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:29:11 EDT (#)
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well of course you agree with her, you ARE her
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:28:44 EDT (#)
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ETS, if you are open minded on this subject then maybe you'll read this
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20050919.pdf
a bunch of different articles
and since you brought up the Katrina aspect, pay close attention to the interview with Dr. James J. O'brien
but understand that your approach really does detract from your goal
a defensive mind is a closed and tight one
and this is uber and it is all about the size of your internetdick
so if your true goal is to enlighten, then I'll assume that you'd be willing to do whatever it took to achieve it and from there possibly accept my challenge to present and idea, present your side of it, encourage people to investigate it on thier own and then hold a mature and open minded debate floor.
long sentence there
I'll give you this though, you get people googling and reading and that, barring whatever negatives you might bring...can't be all bad
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:27:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:15:14 (#)
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Filthy - I would have to agree with the petition signing, hell i signed it but then to generalize America that way takes credit from you.
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Dude, I *AM* American and I agree with her. I'm not the only one either. There is a growing number of us who are waking up to the fact that our foreign policies as a nation and our utter ignorance of current events as a whole makes us look like a bunch of dipshits.
We are more concerned with shopping for the latest Paris Hilton-endorsed footwear than what's going on in the wars we started or along our own gulf coast.
We don't care or consider how things come to be in our possession either. We don't consider what it took to put that shirt on our back. We don't care about the fact that a Chinese child probably worked in a factory for less than 10 cents an hour that we might be clothed.
We're just an ignorant people. A huddled mass of mewling cattle. I am more and more ashamed to be an American every single day.
I'm not one of these people whose heart turns all red, white, and blue at the first sign of conflict either.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:25:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:16:13 (#)
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No, Filthy...it's a fucking failure.
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Fair enough dude, but I disagree. All I know is if I could find 300 people to agree with something I'd said, I'd be pretty fucking chuffed.
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:15:14 (#)
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Filthy - I would have to agree with the petition signing, hell i signed it but then to generalize America that way takes credit from you.
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I'm just performing my duty for the queen dude - they ration our tea and confiscate umbrellas when we aren't sufficiently derisive of our neighbours across the pond.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:19:23 EDT (#)
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badass: 12 consecutive most heated posts don't lie. Every hit gets my ideas further up the google ladder.
I might be a little eccentirc at times, but I assure you, I am very sane. I pretty much gave up on my initial agenda of enlightening people to things that are going on in the world and offering my opinions in a delicate way a long time ago.
Now it's just personal.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:18:52 EDT (#)
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http://www.nymethod.com/ets.html
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:18:34 EDT (#)
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Gor blimey, lay of the tottie guv'nor!Strike a light, she were only givin' 'er humble opinion, begging your pardon!
Would it be tea and eel pie for his lordship?
*tugs forelock,shuffles off backwards bowing and genuflecting*
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:16:13 EDT (#)
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No, Filthy...it's a fucking failure.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:15:14 EDT (#)
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Filthy - I would have to agree with the petition signing, hell i signed it but then to generalize America that way takes credit from you. I would venture to say that all of the Americans you've ever met combined with all the ones you've seen on TV, in the news, and via multiple other sources would make up a barely recognizable percentage of the population.
However had you said that within our government there lies an apathy I could agree but all you did was resort to some of the lame ass generalizing and off topic deflection that happens on most of ETS' posts.
I'm just sayin.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:13:48 EDT (#)
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but our species: "the species to which we belong, Homo sapiens sapiens, is only about 40,000 years old."
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:12:30 EDT (#)
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homosapiens are a bit older ets "Scientists have dated the oldest known fossils with skeletal features typical of modern humans from 195,000 years ago"
http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0932663.html
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-03 17:09:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:38:54 (#)
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I was ridiculing you, a foolishly arrogant, delusional hairy piece of shit from Illinois whose only "plan" is to write a failure of an online petition for all of 300 people to sign.
http://www.petitiononline.com/godwood1/petition.html
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Actually, I don't think getting 300 people to back you up can really be counted as 'a failure.' Given the general apathy of the american public towards anything other than their SUVs and McDonalds latest meal deal, I'd say it's a pretty decent showing.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:58:48 EDT (#)
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The government has funded the HAARP project for nothing? They just flushed all those millions of dollars down the drain for nothing? There is a station sitting up in Alaska that really doesn't DO anything but look cool and scare foreigners?
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well? would you of all people be surprised if that was the truth?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:57:53 EDT (#)
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Moron-o: The pen is mightier than the sword, my mentally-challenged friend. And change can come from unexpected places. Your problem is, you lack vision.
Give me time. I ain't done yet.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:56:13 EDT (#)
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ETS
i don't think that people are saying that your idea is not a plausible one or that we shouldn't take some preventative measures
but you come off as you ideals are the only ones that could possibly be true
and there in lies the problem, you express freely your own ideals and intuitions and then turn and call people morons when they do the same
i could take you seriously if you could...for one post...rise above the adolescence and stay your course but you don't. you fall victims to taunts and your true nature comes out, that you are as irrational as the next person
i've expressed this to you before and have watched to see even the slightest shift in your approaches
to no avail
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:50:23 EDT (#)
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I knew what you meant, TTOM. I'm not a moron like Wardy.
I really do wish I could get people to understand that humans have been on this planet for about 120,000 years and still even as recent as 230 years ago such things as electricity - something so fundamental we now take it for granted - were considered mystical and magical.
I was watching a program the other day called "How William Shatner Changed the World". It was about the modern inventions that were inspired by Star Trek.
Again...where there's a will there's a way. It only requires an opportunity, a dream, and a little ingenuity for the impossible to become possible.
I just can't fathom why anyone would think controlling the weather was out of the realm of possibility. It's an ignorant worldview that reminds me of people who used to point at the sky and say the sun was revolving around the earth.
I mean, for christ's sake, people! We've sent probes to Mars! We've talked about how we might terraform the fucking thing using the exact sort of manipulation I'm talking about here. The government has funded the HAARP project for nothing? They just flushed all those millions of dollars down the drain for nothing? There is a station sitting up in Alaska that really doesn't DO anything but look cool and scare foreigners?
Come on.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:38:54 EDT (#)
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"Chew on that for a while, Moron-o....with your little smartass comments ridiculing the very NOTION of weather control by our benevolent government. Goddamn, you muct be blind. Either that or exceedingly stupid."
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I never ridiculed the notion of weather control. I like to believe in science and crazy shit too. I was ridiculing you, a foolishly arrogant, delusional hairy piece of shit from Illinois whose only "plan" is to write a failure of an online petition for all of 300 people to sign.
http://www.petitiononline.com/godwood1/petition.html
Oh wow, way to fight the system there, you revolutionary you. So tell us, what's your big plan? You gonna overthrow the government with long hair and bad music? You gonna hit all the blogspots that share a similar opinion that you might have (http://arevolutionaryact.blogspot.com/2006/02/real-men-want-to-go-to-iran.html), and go off on an entire website that really doesn't give a shit about what you have to say?
I'm sure Ubersite, a place notorious for rape jokes and HAR HAR PEENER is surely going to make a difference in the world. Oh hell, why not just gather as one, grab some illegal arms and overthrow the government the old-school way you fucking pansy?
The trouble with you, ETS, is that you hold yourself up as a revolutionary, but you haven't done one goddamn thing with your life. You call yourself enlightened after doing copious amounts of drugs, you consider yourself to be the voice of reason amidst the chaos, but in reality you have no reason to ever consider yourself any of those things because you simply don't have the courage or desire to act on those impulses.
You are arrogant with no reason to be. All you know how to do is flap your mouth and try and put down contrary opinions on a website. Congratulations, you sir, are a true success in life, and we can all see the ripples you're making in history.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:38:40 EDT (#)
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I'd like to bet $6000 on the East Coast taking a hit this year, at 5 to 1 please.
Please email me a receipt acknowledging that you are booking my action.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:29:28 EDT (#)
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I was being facetious and suggesting that you are such a crackpot that you would belive the moon landings were fake.
Again, i dont ACTUALLY think this before I am berated.
I think you are a necessary if rather rabid part of Ubersite.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:26:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:23:45 (#)
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Dude, we have people permanently living there.
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In space, that is.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:25:48 EDT (#)
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ETS!!!!!!
I FOUND IT!!!!
THIS IS THE REASON FOR GLOBAL WARMING...
http://abfreedom.blogspot.com/2005/10/japanese-mafia-control-weather.html
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:23:45 EDT (#)
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Dude, we have people permanently living there. We've sent probes to every single planet, including the sun, and even one completely out of the solar system! We've brought back moon rocks and landed rovers on Mars.
Why wouldn't we go to the moon?
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:22:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:12:46 (#)
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I remember about ten years ago(might have been more actually) when they first introduced those anti-personell lasers for blinding peeps with(subsequently banned) and they were saying we'd see high powered anti-vehicle lasers within ten years...still waiting.
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They have a 747 in service with lasers in it to shoot down ballistic missiles.
They're also developing/testing smaller lasers to use against tanks and personel.
Some day war will look like GI Joe, with blue and red lasers, so you can tell who's on what side.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:21:02 EDT (#)
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Im surprised you even believe man did land on the moon to be perfectly honest
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:03:13 (#)
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Read the weather changing article. Sounds like one of those crackpot ideas that never come to fruition. "The great leap forward is expected to come between 2015 and 2025" yeah, but 40 years ago they thought we'd be living on the fucking moon by now, so I highly doubt we'll ever see weather changing devices of the magnitude described in our lifetime.
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Plus, TTOM, weather modification is already a reality. The U.S. military already has the technology. They were doing it in Vietnam by directly seeding clouds, and they can do it now remotely through the HAARP system that exists in Alaska.
Truth is stranger than fiction, my friend. You forget that the only reason we're not living on the moon right now is because there's no advantage to doing it. You better believe if there were useful minerals there we would be.
You're also forgetting that before Sputnik, the idea of going into space at ALL was science fiction and quackery. You can bet if there is a way to do something and there is a need to do it, humans will figure out how.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:17:30 EDT (#)
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"Disclaimer
2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.
This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only.
This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared for public release. "
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If it was something we actually thought would happen, it would be classified, not publicly available to every crackpot with an ax to grind. OMG IT IS TO DISCREDIT TEH FREEEEEEEETINKERS!
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:14:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:55:07 (#)
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As for the Army manipulating weather in Vietnam, it was on the History Channel last night. Ironically enough, there is an article about it in Popular Mechanics.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1281146.html
Here is a Weather Channel video: http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/r2/vbcst/bbd/WCCnPop.htm
It was called "Project Popeye".
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OMG TEHY SEED TEH CLOODS WEHN TEH DROWTS ARE AT DA WURST IN TEH US TOOOO!!!!!
Seeding clouds is common knowledge. It is done on the plains to try to offset crop deaths. The problem is seeding enough to actually make a difference. Notice how it didn't exactly work in Vietnam....
Also, you made a mysterious reference to some super secret plan to change everything before. Does this involve overthrowing the government again? Because you've spouted that off a lot lately. Of course, you're like the bin Ladens and Koreshes of the world. You would gather up a following and send them to do the work while you sit back and cheer from safety.
Get off your ass and actually do something. Calling us fucking morons sure as hell isn't going to change anything.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:12:46 EDT (#)
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All that shows is that the US Airforce can be as gullible and foolish as anybody else.
I remember about ten years ago(might have been more actually) when they first introduced those anti-personell lasers for blinding peeps with(subsequently banned) and they were saying we'd see high powered anti-vehicle lasers within ten years...still waiting.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:06:24 EDT (#)
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http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm
This article?
That's the U.S. Airforce talking, not some 'conspiracy theorist' or sci-fi writer.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:04:37 EDT (#)
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When the fuck did badassmofo become the voice of reason?
STOP SMOKING SO MUCH!
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:03:13 EDT (#)
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Read the weather changing article. Sounds like one of those crackpot ideas that never come to fruition. "The great leap forward is expected to come between 2015 and 2025" yeah, but 40 years ago they thought we'd be living on the fucking moon by now, so I highly doubt we'll ever see weather changing devices of the magnitude described in our lifetime.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 16:01:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:41:53 (#)
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In January 2002, the journal Science published the findings of scientists who had been measuring the vast West Antarctic ice sheet. Far from melting, it turns out the ice sheet is growing thicker. The researchers were Dr. Ian R. Joughin, an engineer at the jet propulsion laboratory of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in Pasadena, Calif., and Dr. Slawek Tulaczyk, a professor of earth sciences at the University of California, Santa Cruz.
About the same time, the journal Nature published the findings of scientist Peter Doran and his colleagues at the University of Illinois. Rather than using the U.N.'s "computer models," the researchers took actual temperature readings. It turned out temperatures in the Antarctic have been getting slightly colder - not warmer - for the last 30 years.
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Yep, and before long, the ice in the arctic will have melted completely in the summer. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4290340.stm
So I vote we continue debating about it and doing nothing, how about you?
I vote we scrounge up every shred of what appears to be contrary evidence just to draw this out another 20 years...whaddaya say!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:55:07 EDT (#)
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badass: I called Wardy a moron because he lacks the capacity for abstract thought. He fails, again and again, to understand that his arguments have already been addressed by me, and, in spite of the fact that I go out of my way to repeat myself, he STILL never gets it. At one time, I would have given him, and DID give him the benefit of the doubt, but social climate on this website have convinced me that no amount of reasoned argument, counterpoint, or rebuttal is going to convince some people to see things that are right in front of their fucking face, so what I end up doing, instead, is bombarding the reader with an overwhelming amount of information on the web and letting them read for themselves.
I'm not holding anyone's fucking hand anymore. It's too tedious and it always ends up being fruitless.
As for the Army manipulating weather in Vietnam, it was on the History Channel last night. Ironically enough, there is an article about it in Popular Mechanics.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1281146.html
Here is a Weather Channel video: http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/r2/vbcst/bbd/WCCnPop.htm
It was called "Project Popeye".
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:46:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:43:31 (#)
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I'm willing to bet that I don't give a fuck about any of this.
So what do I win?
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Not a place on ETS's New Ark, thats for sure
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:45:49 EDT (#)
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Yeah Mofo but the Antarctic has its own weather system that pretty much keeps its own counsel from the rest of the world. I read recently that even if the Arctic was to melt and the global temperature was to rise by a few degress the Antarctic would still be relativly stable.
Ill find out where I read that and post it here if I can.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:43:31 EDT (#)
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I'm willing to bet that I don't give a fuck about any of this.
So what do I win?
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:41:53 EDT (#)
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In January 2002, the journal Science published the findings of scientists who had been measuring the vast West Antarctic ice sheet. Far from melting, it turns out the ice sheet is growing thicker. The researchers were Dr. Ian R. Joughin, an engineer at the jet propulsion laboratory of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in Pasadena, Calif., and Dr. Slawek Tulaczyk, a professor of earth sciences at the University of California, Santa Cruz.
About the same time, the journal Nature published the findings of scientist Peter Doran and his colleagues at the University of Illinois. Rather than using the U.N.'s "computer models," the researchers took actual temperature readings. It turned out temperatures in the Antarctic have been getting slightly colder - not warmer - for the last 30 years.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:36:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:20:34 (#)
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I have lost a lot of faith in humanity.
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I think thats a pretty harsh judgement. We're essentially a young species with a short term world view that has only recently began to expand beyond our own lifetimes. What chance do most people have of being altruistic and thoughful when our technology has expanded so much in the last few centuries and even in our own lifetime we cant keep up with it. Im a young guy but even Im beggining to feel a bit confused and bogged down by how fast everything moves these days.
I would have been dead 100 years ago, I would have been dead fifty years ago, 20 years ago I would probably be dead but thanks to scientific advances Im alive.
A fatal disease to a bit of a pest (OK so a potentially fatal pest) in less than a century.
Its no wonder people cant get their head round something so complicated as world climate change, my grandparents lived in a tiny town all their lives and barely ever left it while I communicate with people from around the world whom Ive never met in fractions of a second.
People arent stupid, theyre just scared and left behind.
I havent lost faith in Humanity, quite the opposite. I believe that with our intelligence and good will we can overcome ANY obstacle but we need people to do something about it.
thats DO something, not just point out things and then insult people for not having knowledge.
We could do without religion for fucking starters though.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:36:16 EDT (#)
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pretty much what he said...
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:26:10 EDT (#)
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ETS man, you have to chill
I just read your last review you began with agreeing with wardy that the 'chaos theory' will never be proven 100%.
Then you ended it by call him a moron because his theory, which disagrees with yours, will never be proven true.
we don't have to fight about it...it's right there in the fucking review.
this is why people give you such a hard time man.
i tried ready the post and the reviews and you went from global warming to government influence on the weather?
pick a topic and prove it out or you are just spouting like everyone else here.
and your one statement about the government controlling the weather in Vietnam? Provdide a link please so that I can read that from someone other than you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:20:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 14:58:03 (#)
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I know all about chaos theory(well, enough to blag it anyway) and as a biologist Ive heard more theorys on global warming and climate change than I care to remember.
My point was that our knowledge in global climate patterns is woefully poor and to simply scream "GLOBAL WARMING! WE'RE ALL DEAD!" is a bit premature(Im not saying this is waht you are doing before you berate me)
We can't wait a couple of centuries to change things just in case we're wrong and it IS our fault but we'll all feel a bit stupid if in ten years time everything calms down again by itself, unlikely as that is.
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This is precisely my point. We can't wait around while the last few remaining scientific stragglers are convinced with 'conclusive proof' (that WILL never and CAN never come) that man is causing global warming.
All the evidence we have points to man's effect.
There is a time to study and research, and there is a time to act. If a massive comet is hurdling toward earth, you think we're going to sit around and study in a lab whether or not a nuclear blast will thwart the disaster? Of course not!
We're going to do the only thing we CAN do...TRY.
At least I HOPE we would. But even that is in question now, as far as I'm concerned. I have lost a lot of faith in humanity.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 15:15:17 EDT (#)
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"""what TTOM and i are saying is that it is impossible to know for sure anything about these weather patterns."""
And I just agreed with you. You NEVER WILL know anything 'for sure' about them either, that's why it's called 'chaos theory'. It's impossible to produce a 100% accurate model of weather on earth. You would have to have all possible information about every atom on the earth, and that's impossible.
"""furthermore, the changes you are suggesting are rapid, and without any sort of congruency with prior weather patterns, suggesting that they are the immediate result of "tons of CO2" being pumped into the atmosphere."""
No, the changes I was suggesting in CO2 ARE gradually applied over time from one perspective, BUT, it depends on the scale of time you're perceiving in the system.
In the pendulum analogy, the change is rapid because the force is rapid. If you put it in slow motion to drag it out a couple years, it would no longer be rapid. The same applies to weather and climate models. In the case of climate, we only perceive the change to be slow because of our human lifespan and perception of time. If you look at the timescale of, say, a couple hundred thousand years and played the video of the earth's climatic activities over that period within 30 minutes, the change would be extremely rapid.
"""this obviously is not the case, as you wouldn't argue that the weather has been getting worse and worse every year, would you?"""
Obviously. Riiiiight.
See? This is why I consider you a fucking moron, Wardy. You THINK you know what you're talking about, but you never do. Your arguments SOUND ok, but they forget very important facts every single time.
You will, no doubt, argue with me about this till you're blue in the face and have made a total fool of yourself before the people who actually understand the subject. Unforunately, the majority of the people here are just as clueless as you in this area, so they'll applaud your simpleton approach to a subject that, by its very nature, will NEVER be fully explained or proven.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 14:58:03 EDT (#)
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I know all about chaos theory(well, enough to blag it anyway) and as a biologist Ive heard more theorys on global warming and climate change than I care to remember.
My point was that our knowledge in global climate patterns is woefully poor and to simply scream "GLOBAL WARMING! WE'RE ALL DEAD!" is a bit premature(Im not saying this is waht you are doing before you berate me)
We can't wait a couple of centuries to change things just in case we're wrong and it IS our fault but we'll all feel a bit stupid if in ten years time everything calms down again by itself, unlikely as that is.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-03 14:51:50 EDT (#)
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you've completely misunderstood TTOM as far as i can tell. what TTOM and i are saying is that it is impossible to know for sure anything about these weather patterns. furthermore, the changes you are suggesting are rapid, and without any sort of congruency with prior weather patterns, suggesting that they are the immediate result of "tons of CO2" being pumped into the atmosphere. this obviously is not the case, as you wouldn't argue that the weather has been getting worse and worse every year, would you?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-03 14:42:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-03 13:41:17 (#)
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Climate change as caused by Humanity is possible, nay probable, but not proven. We've only been recording weather patterns accuratly for less than a century and like evrything else on Earth these things have cycles which take place over decades and centuries and millenia.
Im not saying that we should just carelessly pollute but to blame every cycle of crappy weather on humanity is ignorant.
Here in Britain we had a couple of winters that were early in arrival...this was blamed on global warming.
This year we had a late arriving winter...this was blamed on global warming.
You cant have it both ways.
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You don't understand the effect of global warming.
Look, do you know anything about chaos theory? Because that's essentially what we're talking about here. The complexity of the parameters that make up climate are astronomical.
It's more difficult than mapping the human genome to provide an exact model of it, yet we accept the reality that certain genes create certain traits in humans, don't we? Why should climate be any different? You don't have to map the entire thing perfectly to know that certain parameters' existence (i.e. h