How to Save the World (Identifying the World's Problems) (4678 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-05 15:27:18 EDT
This morning, Forbes reported that a handful of U.S. industries are pleading with Washington to create mandatory cuts in fossil fuels. http://www.forbes.com/2006/04/04/greenhouse-emissions-environment-cx_jh_0405green.html?partner=links
Its seems they finally paid some attention to that little hunchback guy who would always come into their meetings coyly proclaiming, "Ummm...these...ummm...numbers clearly show how we're all going to die."
"That's nice, Johnson. Why don't you be a sport and get us all some coffee. Everyone, give Johnson here your order."
But the Hunchback of Corporate Dame finally got through somehow. My guess is he got that lazy eye operated on and brought out a chart that clearly showed that the company couldn't sell its products and services to dead people. Needless to say, Johnson was immediately fired.
However, he was soon brought back and promoted, if only slightly, to 'Low-Down Rotten Scoundrel of Operations', or LDRSEO. The job description was the same though; he still got the coffee and got cut off mid-sentence.
Every board room must have somebody there to get cut off mid-sentence, and Johnson is just good at it. It makes the rest look like they're doing their jobs. Plus, there's just a certain malevolent satisfaction in cutting off someone's perfectly valid point with nothing more than a "nanananananana" and a wave of the finger.
Now THAT says 'P.O.W.E.R.'!
All kidding aside...I hope these people are finally waking up and realizing, "HEY!!! I think dumping all this shit into the air is probably a bad idea!" It's a good thing too, because I was getting really tired of hearing that Jeopardy theme over and over.
Moving on...
I said in my last post that I had the answer to the world's problems. I will now reveal my master plan for world domi.....uh.....peace. Yea, world peace. (Wrong speech)
But first be must understand what the problems are before we can address them. Which leads me to...
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Identifying the World's Problems
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The way I see it, the two main problems in the world right now are
1) our dependence on forms of energy that pollute the environment, and
2) the struggle for power in an increasingly global society.
Back in the time when the cold war first began, countries were far more isolated. News didn't travels as fast, people didn't travel as fast, and ideas didn't travel as fast. But now with the advent of the internet, satellite technology, improved travel, and global economy, we are all more connected to the rest of the world than ever before.
This, coupled with the specialized politics in the post-nuclear age has created a world wherein the haves and the have-nots are more widely separated than ever. Corporate lobbying, labor outsourcing, posturing of overwhelming military might, and control over the world's central banks through a strategic fiat petro-dollar arrangement have all converged to create a world superpower that has become increasingly meddlesome in world affairs and increasingly irresponsible in its supposed role as the world's leader and champion of peace and democracy.
This increasing obsession with global control has led the surviving superpower, the United States, to build military bases around the world to protect its various economic interests there and be ready on a moment's notice to protect its allies' interests.
It takes a little understanding of history to appreciate the current world political landscape, (America in particular), in the 21st century and how it differs from, yet adheres to, the M.O. of past empires.
In the past, the fundamental laws of economics and military power were very different. At the height of the Roman empire, the best military weaponry still consisted of men on horseback and in chariots, and in order to gain wealth to fund the lavishness of the people of the empire, military conquest was needed to plunder its gold and other resources, which at the time included slaves.
At the height of the British empire, the best things the military had going for it were muskets, wooden ships, and cannons. The relationship between military might and the homeland economy were still very much the same as in Roman times. Conquest was always needed to expand the empire and plunder its goods to fund the lavish excesses of the people at the expense of others.
At 8:15 in the morning of August 6, 1945 all that changed forever when the Enola Gay released its payload upon the unsuspecting people of Hiroshima, effectively ending the war and starting the footrace with Russia to superpower and world dominance.
Virtually all the major advances in human technological know-how from that point on have centered around this footrace, which came to be known as the 'cold war'. Computers, satellites, intercontinental rockets, space exploration, wireless technology, the internet, advances in medical science, jet propulsion, weather control, genetic engineering, human behavioral research, you name it. If it advanced our knowledge of the world around us, you better believe the government was all over it right away, whether it began as a military operation or not.
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989, the United States became the world's last unchallenged superpower, but how long this state of affairs can last is anyone's guess.
Americans, myself included, have been raised to believe that our overseas meddling is borne out of a benevolent wish to better the world by spreading democracy and hope to disadvantaged and oppressed people, but the reality is, America's interest in foreign affairs always carries some sort of strategic advantage for itself. Whether it's to open up a new foreign market to which it can peddle its services, to expand corporations, to exploit a cheap workforce, to expand military presence, to manipulate its leadership, or to acquire unfettered access to its natural resources, American occupation and meddling in foreign lands has always carried a distinct strategic advantage.
The problem with this is, while the rest of the world recognizes this as obvious, the American people, in large part, fail to see it. Media is controlled by a select few people. A handfull of companies own the entire media nerve center of the country. All the major newspapers, television stations, and radio stations are owned by a select group of men whose allegiance to the economic status quo will not allow them to penetrate the lie of American benevolence. To do so would jeopardize the economic system, not only of this country, but of the entire world.
Since 1971, when the dollar was taken off the gold standard, America has been free to print the dollar without restriction, on paper that is, for all intents and purposes, worthless. It has been able to maintain this ability through strategic alliances with westernized European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and other oil producing nations to buy their oil in dollars - thereby solidifying the status of American currency - in exchange for American military intervention anytime one of them has a little 'problem'. It helps that the United States has the nuclear capability to destroy the earth many times over if it so chose.
As of yet, these countries haven't found an overwhelming reason to question this arrangement, because as long as their economies are growing at the expense of the poorer nations, all is right with the world. That is, until the day finally comes when the United States becomes more of a liability than an asset and the poor countries no longer have sufficient resources (either natural or of the labor variety) to keep up the pace of growth in the developed world. This is what I feel we're seeing happen right now in a range of different ways.
First, the U.S. is becoming a liability to her allies because, instead of an arrangement wherein other countries get free military service courtesy of the red, white, and blue to beat down violence and instability wherever it may erupt, they are now seeing the U.S. smacking at the hornet's nest of potentially violent people in a preemptive fashion, which is actually CAUSING more violence.
Second, the U.S.'s fiat currency system is beginning to be questioned around the world and even by people inside its own government. The United States' economic growth is now in direct inversion from where economist's logic says it should be. Any other country on the face of the planet that ran a trade deficit of $760 BILLION last year would have had their remaining assets seized by world banks and investors at the drop of a hat. Their country would have been invaded under the banner of 'liberating' it from 'oppression', and that would have been that.
The United States, on the other hand, due to its special place at the top of the military food chain, is allowed to produce less and less, and consume more and more. The goliath is growing, and the Davids of the world are slowly beginning to draw their sling shots.
This is what we see happening in Iran.
Iran is still planning its oil bourse to switch its oil sales from dollars to euros. It has been delayed momentarily - probably to keep it as a strategic bargaining chip while it continues its race toward nuclear development and sanctions are threatened against it - but you can bet that is but one of the rocks Iran will load into its economic slingshot at the U.S. should it come under sanction or attack.
China, so far, has remained content to sit back and play the game by the U.S.'s rules, because its own economy is growing and the United States is providing them with a constant source of revenue with which to build their infrastructure and expand their technological know-how, but if its thirst for oil is not quenched, and Iran is taken off the table by the U.S. as a source of this oil, China is a beast that could awaken quite explosively.
In short, the so-called 'growth' of the U.S. economy is only a gross growth, not a net growth, and it amounts to little more than highway robbery and open theivery of the rest of the world. That is, unless you believe we will at some point pay it all back...all $8.8 TRILLION of it.
If you believe that, I have some property I'd like to sell you. You'll LOVE it! It's right by the ocean!
The third major reason the U.S.'s superpower status is beginning to be more vocally challenged - even among allied nations - is because it is the single greatest polluting nation on the planet. At the very time when it's becoming more and more clear that the world is in need of environmentally-conscious leadership, the United States - more specifically the Bush administration - has refused to even join, let alone lead, the Kyoto accord.
It's clear now to most respectable scientists, and even most reasonable laymen, that greenhouse gasses from the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation by an over-industralized world population (which has now exceeded 7 billion people) is causing a global climate crisis the likes of which mankind has never seen, and its manifestations are everywhere.
From melting ice caps to more intense hurricanes to wholesale destruction of coral reefs to increased cases of cancer to widespread drought...all the signs are there, and the world is beginning to wake up. That is, all but the United States apparently.
At a time when its obvious we should be focusing on these problems, the U.S.-elected (by "electoral college") leadership won't even acknowledge global warming as a possibility. Instead, they stubbornly sit atop the world pyramid scheme and fight for control of the remaining drops of oil.
But, do not be disheartened. This cannot last forever.
Please see my next post in which I'll give the solutions to all of these problems and more. If mankind will only follow a few very simple premises, which I will outlay, we will be able to live in peace and prosperity forever.
Is that a vain claim? Probably. But I'm gonna put it out there anyway. For now, feel free to discuss what you feel are the world's biggest problems.
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Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:29:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:28:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jonukah (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:18:58 (#)
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Within twenty years, China will be much scarier than the U.S. Between the rate of growth and corruption in their economy, they will be a true beast. However, this most likely will not be dangerous for the U.S., as the sheer amount of China's FDI in the U.S. will probably keep the walls down. But if you think the U.S. is polluting bad now, look out for China.
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And we're only helping them toward that goal right now through our actions...
There is a way to stop it. Look at this: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1926262
Submitted by jonukah (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:18:58 EDT (#)
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Within twenty years, China will be much scarier than the U.S. Between the rate of growth and corruption in their economy, they will be a true beast. However, this most likely will not be dangerous for the U.S., as the sheer amount of China's FDI in the U.S. will probably keep the walls down. But if you think the U.S. is polluting bad now, look out for China.
Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:31:40 EDT (#)
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STFU
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 05:52:15 EDT (#)
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Um, just noticed, too...
Ya still haven't told us HOW you're gonna do it, like promised.
I'm disappointed in you.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 05:41:25 EDT (#)
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Quoting Orwell, hmm?
Still don't see how you're not banned.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 11:33:51 EDT (#)
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"Before the Hate had proceeded for thirty seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room. The self-satisfied sheeplike face on the screenm and the terrifying power of the Eurasian army behind it, were too much to be borne; besides, the sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically. He was an object of hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia, since when Oceania was at war with some of these powers it was generally at peace with the other. But whta was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day, and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were--in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less."
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-08 21:31:31 EDT (#)
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I wonder if he's been banned yet for last night...
I guess we'll know in a day or so...
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2006-04-08 14:41:25 EDT (#)
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our environment wont die till after Im long gone, and Im not planning on having kids
fuck the planet
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2006-04-08 13:49:35 EDT (#)
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So go join the taliban, John L. Walker, seriously.
Submitted by Chillax (user info) at 2006-04-08 13:47:13 EDT (#)
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Didn't even read this shit, but it has more heat than the Ultimate MSPaint ever did...which cannot be a good thing.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2006-04-07 15:48:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:49:20 (#)
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OMG ETS IS GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD WITH HIS ACID-INDUCED SUPER DUPER MIND POWERS OF RADICAL LIBERALISM AND HIS DEATHRAY EYES!
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I worship you jgreening
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-07 14:44:33 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 20:15:00 (#)
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Can I just ask you, then, why you're so set on your way of how to live life if life is meaningless?"
this question has done nothing but leave thousands of people with mental anguish on their death beds. in extreme cases, it's part of what's led to ideological warfare. if you think too hard about irrelevant shit like this, you'll never find an answer that is absolute, so you'll always be left wondering about the what-ifs; and none of it is going to make your life any better anyway. it's not that life is 'pointless,' it's that it doesn't really matter whether or not there is a point. allow yourself to enjoy it, or join the masses who waste every second of breath with higher motives unachieved. cf. Method's MLK diatribe;
"Hell, he got shot in the face, but he persevered (before the face shooting thing), and he went through ALOT worse than what we're dishing out to you. You're just proving that you're too much of a pussy and you dont have the gumption to actually do something about what you're so "passionate" about.
Another failure. You're a dime a dozen. Get bent. You don't have the moxie to get out of your basement, let alone lead a revolution. Go ahead and give up, pussy. It's what you do best"
he's right, you know. this kind of behavior is exceedingly common. and yes, it's ONLY common in rich societies. to claim, as MistressFist does, that this 'has nothing to do with money' is simply fucking blind. you really think it's a coincidence that the very people who so often end up losing friends and perhaps losing all contact with society at large, are the very ones who tend to be well-educated(if not particularly intelligent) and pining for Something Greater? and, additionally, that they ALWAYS have the option of living a comfortable life -regardless of whether or not they choose to take it?
as for 'saving myself typing time,' now really. if i'm at uber at all, it's obviously not to accomplish anything of any import. i come here to fritter time away, nothing more than to fuck around. so efficiency doesn't even factor in.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-07 13:09:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-04-07 12:21:03 (#)
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+2 for knowing better than most of these idiots.
I wonder why I only rarely visit this place
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i thought it was because everyone here thought you were a fucking tool? that or you caught your wife cheating on you with method, shlongy, and a wolly goat.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-07 13:07:49 EDT (#)
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guys, he claims he never said we should be on the gold standard... remember??
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-07 12:53:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2006-04-07 11:59:41 (#)
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is the euro on the gold standard/
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No it isn't.
Neither is the british pound, and I am pretty sure it was taken off a metal standard before the dollar.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-04-07 12:21:03 EDT (#)
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+2 for knowing better than most of these idiots.
I wonder why I only rarely visit this place
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2006-04-07 11:59:41 EDT (#)
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is the euro on the gold standard/
Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2006-04-07 11:57:31 EDT (#)
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hey method,
go fuck yourself.
love,
D0S
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-07 11:50:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-07 11:20:13 (#)
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hahahaha Bradley why don't you just down a whole sheet of acid and REALLY go out with a bang? It would make my day to hear that you jumped off a fucking bridge and flapped your arms in a futile attempt to fly away to some alternate universe because no one accepts you.
You are THE biggest pussy I have EVER not met in my life. What the fuck do you think will happen to you if you take your views and ideas into the real world? Everyone's going to accept you with open arms? This is just a little taste of what's going to happen. We're actually doing you a favor. Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't loved by everyone. Hell, he got shot in the face, but he persevered (before the face shooting thing), and he went through ALOT worse than what we're dishing out to you. You're just proving that you're too much of a pussy and you dont have the gumption to actually do something about what you're so "passionate" about.
Another failure. You're a dime a dozen. Get bent. You don't have the moxie to get out of your basement, let alone lead a revolution. Go ahead and give up, pussy. It's what you do best
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-07 11:49:55 EDT (#)
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I believe today will be the high point of his insanity. Expect a devastating crescendo, something along the lines of a "Fuck you all, I'm leaving Ubersite" post by ETS, denouncing us all and talking about his genius, followed by a killing spree in Indiana.
I can't wait! I'm giddy with anticipation!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-07 11:38:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:52:26 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:13:58 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:03:23 (#)
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That's funny, Caul, considering I can't remember the last time you gave a real debate with me a chance.
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Why would I?
Anytime I or anyone tried to put forward an argument that makes you usually ignore it or you'll select small parts of it and say: "FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID, YOU SICKEN ME! I AM SUPERIOR! I READ A LOT MORE THAN YOU! BLAH BLAH!"
How come NO ONE here is interested in wasting their time with you? Have you ever asked yourself that?
Is it because we're ALL stupid?
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Not "interested in wasting their time"?
...and this all coming from the guy who has rated me 477 times. I don't know about everyone being stupid necessarily, but Im pretty sure your true colors are shining through, Ms. Lauper.
How Caulaincourt has rated other users
electrictoothsyndrome (user info) -279 on 477 = -0.58
By the way, that's more than you've rated any other user but Apollo.
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I said it already...your shit posts make great chat rooms!
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-07 11:32:50 EDT (#)
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Why don't you just eat the entire bottle of pills, you pathetic fuck?
Dropping -2 bombs on people like it matters.
You're like a fucking 3 year old, only with stinkier underwear.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-07 08:26:09 EDT (#)
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thanks indon.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-07 05:26:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-07 01:24:07 (#)
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I can't believe you idiots indulge this moron.
If you stop giving him attention, he will go back to posting entertaining stuff, rather than heatwhoring SHIT like this.
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it doesn't work with you.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-07 01:37:01 EDT (#)
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are you kidding me? this shit is wayyy more entertaining than anything he's done comedically...
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-07 01:24:07 EDT (#)
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I can't believe you idiots indulge this moron.
If you stop giving him attention, he will go back to posting entertaining stuff, rather than heatwhoring SHIT like this.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 21:17:52 EDT (#)
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i wish he'd still respond to me... you're lucky, indo... dammit...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 20:45:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:15:33 (#)
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No wonder you don't understand how it proves nothing, it isn't even a bar graph.
I have cousin in the 6th grade, she was doing homework on graphs last week and she knew the difference between different types of graphs.
No wonder the peace corp won't take you, you don't understand middle school math.
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Line graph, whatever. You still couldn't read the thing. I had to TELL you how Mauna Loa related to the ice core data even though it plainly says what's what on the graph.
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Try not to be retarted here just for a second. I didn't understand how the Mauna Loa info proved anything about what happened over 300 years ago, because it doesn't. It especially doesn't confirm theories that some scientists have about the atmosphere hundreds of thousands of years ago.
If you are trying to prove the info from hundreds, and thousands of years before, matching a trend over a 50 year period is not only completely insignificant, it is retarted. Look at atmosphere graphs everywhere, you see up and down trends, that does absolutely nothing to prove the accuracy for estimates of what the atmosphere was like that long ago.
You really think there is zero chance that the models that they make introduce more and more error as they go back further in time? The info they use from tree core is a classic example of losing integrity as you go back further. They place assumption upon assumption. Matching different trees, matching trees that have been petrified or buried for a number of years.
I usually enjoy pointing stuff like this out because your mistakes and ass backward assumptions are so obvious it is laughable, but sometimes you are so thick and full of shit it hurts my head to try and explain the simplest things.
I could see you in the peace corp helping out a farming community. Helping them go back to hunter gather technology.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 20:42:15 EDT (#)
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i dig philosophy... keep it up!!
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 20:15:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 20:02:34 (#)
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there's no virtue in finding a meaning to life.
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Can I just ask you, then, why you're so set on your way of how to live life if life is meaningless?
By the way you can stop calling me a dipshit or whatever (I get the point) and save yourself some typing time.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 20:04:36 EDT (#)
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as for the money thing, you're losing ground with every word you say. 'money' doesn't have to refer to greenbacks, and unless you really are as stupid as i keep saying you are, you realize that. 'money', like 'wealth,' is simply an easier way of saying an accumulation of material goods. i honestly hope you're just being a petty bitch, because the only other option is that you're being a dumbshit.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 20:02:34 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:49:45 (#)
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Wow. Another "this is the world" realist who's suckling on the teat of Thomas Hobbes to no end. What else is new?
It's called the Hobbesian-Syndrome that you're suffering from. Everyone assumes the worst and that everyone else is out to get them and it'll happen that way. Sounds to me you're more afraid to embrace possibility ("you can either accept that you don't have a fucking clue, and never will") and willing to grovel in a pathetic excuse for an existence, than to take a look in the mirror and actually consider the fact that "you're going to die; what are you going to do about that?". Metaphysics are deemed irrelevant by the scientific-minded person of today like yourself, however, I ask: what the hell is relevant then?
In short: I'd rather at least try to figure out at least the meaning of my own life before I die because I find that a lot more virtuous than simply accepting what's on plate, and certainly more virtuous than telling others to accept what's on their plates as well. If you're afraid of the unknown, that's fine. Don't try to drag me down with you."
and the syndrome you're suffering from? what is it, Down's? or just a basic universal pretentiousness? i'm not afraid of possibility or the unknown; i simply don't base my life on it. it's idiocy of the highest degree to think that because something is merely possible, you should allow what is tactile to revolve around it. *everything* is possible. thus there is no basis to believe one possibility as being more likely than any other; without a basis for such a belief, it is merely a matter of preference, in other words, because it makes you feel good. what am i going to do about death? what kind of bullshit question is this? it's death. what is relevant is those things that actually affect your life. there's no virtue in finding a meaning to life. i'm sure Charles Manson's life is full of meaning. the two things are completely unrelated.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-04-06 20:00:11 EDT (#)
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everything ets writes is getting on most heated and he's about to knock Ryan Donovan off most viewed authors.
this site sucks.
oh well.
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:58:01 EDT (#)
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Excuse the spelling mistakes I made before.
One more thing:
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:28:01 (#)
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money equals comfort.""
So no-one before a monetary system was in place was comfortable?
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:49:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:28:01 (#)
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i never said money equals happiness, you fucking idiot. suffering is part of being human. NOBODY is completely satisfied with everything in their life, that's normal. money equals comfort. you don't want to be insulted? don't use straw man arguments.
it may not make me an authority, no; but it certainly makes me more so than you. if you want to use an example like that, get ready to be berated when you are faced with someone who can actually attest to that example's validity, but still reject their point of view simply because it doesn't mirror yours.
and you're still missing the fucking point. CHOOSING survival is *still* not survival. if it's a choice, it's an ideal. and it can only be a choice if you're rich enough to choose something else. it's pretty simple.
if you want to know the meaning of life, there's two things you can do. you can either accept that you don't have a fucking clue, and never will, or you can invent stupid bullshit that has NOTHING to do with reality to make yourself feel slightly better about who you are. it's deceptive, false, and self-ingriating. it's hard to think of anything that is more "the way of humans" than that. no matter what hokey magic you choose to believe in, you'll always be human, and you'll always believe in something that was invented by a human. you don't have the option of escaping your humanity, as much as you'd like to. welcome to the world.
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Wow. Another "this is the world" realist who's suckling on the teat of Thomas Hobbes to no end. What else is new?
It's called the Hobbesian-Syndrome that you're suffering from. Everyone assumes the worst and that everyone else is out to get them and it'll happen that way. Sounds to me you're more afraid to embrace possibility ("you can either accept that you don't have a fucking clue, and never will") and willing to grovel in a pathetic excuse for an existence, than to take a look in the mirror and actually consider the fact that "you're going to die; what are you going to do about that?". Metaphysics are deemed irrelevant by the scientific-minded person of today like yourself, however, I ask: what the hell is relevant then?
In short: I'd rather at least try to figure out at least the meaning of my own life before I die because I find that a lot more virtuous than simply accepting what's on plate, and certainly more virtuous than telling others to accept what's on their plates as well. If you're afraid of the unknown, that's fine. Don't try to drag me down with you.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:47:55 EDT (#)
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ets has stopped answering me altogether... oh well...
ets is a sellout, pass it on...
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:28:01 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:03:47 (#)
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Well I'll be damned. It appears you certainly have life figured out don't you? You "know" that money equals happiness, eh? I'm certainly not rich, and I don't think I could be happier. I don't know you bud, but insulting me does not strengthen your argument one bit. In all honesty, you should pull your head out of society's rear-end because any "genius" can figure out that "he who dies with the most toys is still dead".
I don't think that because you lived in Africa for a while you somehow are an authority on their views either. Yes, it can be called survival, but there's no reason survival couldn't be an ideal in a person's head. Hell, I'm sure lots of people would choose survival and happiness over wealth and torment.
If you want to live your life clawing your way to the top of human concoction only to die without any real grasp of what you just lived or more importantly _WHY_, then go ahead. It doesn't have to be "the way of humans" though and it certainly won't be for me. "
i never said money equals happiness, you fucking idiot. suffering is part of being human. NOBODY is completely satisfied with everything in their life, that's normal. money equals comfort. you don't want to be insulted? don't use straw man arguments.
it may not make me an authority, no; but it certainly makes me more so than you. if you want to use an example like that, get ready to be berated when you are faced with someone who can actually attest to that example's validity, but still reject their point of view simply because it doesn't mirror yours.
and you're still missing the fucking point. CHOOSING survival is *still* not survival. if it's a choice, it's an ideal. and it can only be a choice if you're rich enough to choose something else. it's pretty simple.
if you want to know the meaning of life, there's two things you can do. you can either accept that you don't have a fucking clue, and never will, or you can invent stupid bullshit that has NOTHING to do with reality to make yourself feel slightly better about who you are. it's deceptive, false, and self-ingriating. it's hard to think of anything that is more "the way of humans" than that. no matter what hokey magic you choose to believe in, you'll always be human, and you'll always believe in something that was invented by a human. you don't have the option of escaping your humanity, as much as you'd like to. welcome to the world.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:15:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:08:06 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:48:44 (#)
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SEE!!! You're so fucking stupid you don't know how to read a goddamn BAR GRAPH.
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No wonder you don't understand how it proves nothing, it isn't even a bar graph.
I have cousin in the 6th grade, she was doing homework on graphs last week and she knew the difference between different types of graphs.
No wonder the peace corp won't take you, you don't understand middle school math.
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Line graph, whatever. You still couldn't read the thing. I had to TELL you how Mauna Loa related to the ice core data even though it plainly says what's what on the graph.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:13:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:03:47 (#)
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If you want to live your life clawing your way to the top of human concoction only to die without any real grasp of what you just lived or more importantly _WHY_, then go ahead. It doesn't have to be "the way of humans" though and it certainly won't be for me.
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I knew I liked you for a reason. We share a lot of eerily similar views.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:08:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:48:44 (#)
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SEE!!! You're so fucking stupid you don't know how to read a goddamn BAR GRAPH.
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No wonder you don't understand how it proves nothing, it isn't even a bar graph.
I have cousin in the 6th grade, she was doing homework on graphs last week and she knew the difference between different types of graphs.
No wonder the peace corp won't take you, you don't understand middle school math.
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:03:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:45:07 (#)
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Well I'll be damned. It appears you certainly have life figured out don't you? You "know" that money equals happiness, eh? I'm certainly not rich, and I don't think I could be happier. I don't know you bud, but insulting me does not strengthen your argument one bit. In all honesty, you should pull your head out of society's rear-end because any "genius" can figure out that "he who dies with the most toys is still dead".
I don't think that because you lived in Africa for a while you somehow are an authority on their views either. Yes, it can be called survival, but there's no reason survival couldn't be an ideal in a person's head. Hell, I'm sure lots of people would choose survival and happiness over wealth and torment.
If you want to live your life clawing your way to the top of human concoction only to die without any real grasp of what you just lived or more importantly _WHY_, then go ahead. It doesn't have to be "the way of humans" though and it certainly won't be for me.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 19:01:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:52:44 (#)
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You incredibly stupid sack of shit. If it was a parabolic curve then at some point in the past it would go to a minimum, and before that it would have risen more and more as you go futher back in time. It isn't a parabolic curve.
You can't prove a historical trend going back hundreds of thousands of years because some points in the last 50 yrs match part of a parabola. Jesus if you were any stupider you would have to be watered twice a day.
All that graph proved is that you are even stupider than I thought.
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Well, considering you can't read it, that's a pretty good start for you.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:52:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:22:04 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:07:50 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:01:40 (#)
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They invented the pie chart for people like me. To MAKE IT OBVIOUS....and it IS!
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I suggest you take a basic statistics class. The charts you toss around are obviously too complicated for you.
Especially if you think a weather station in Hawaii less than 50 yrs old can prove that atmospheric models from ice cores going back 600,00yrs.
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It's supplemental data...(that just happens to follow the same parabolic curve as the ice core data).
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You incredibly stupid sack of shit. If it was a parabolic curve then at some point in the past it would go to a minimum, and before that it would have risen more and more as you go futher back in time. It isn't a parabolic curve.
You can't prove a historical trend going back hundreds of thousands of years because some points in the last 50 yrs match part of a parabola. Jesus if you were any stupider you would have to be watered twice a day.
All that graph proved is that you are even stupider than I thought.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:52:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:13:58 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:03:23 (#)
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That's funny, Caul, considering I can't remember the last time you gave a real debate with me a chance.
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Why would I?
Anytime I or anyone tried to put forward an argument that makes you usually ignore it or you'll select small parts of it and say: "FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID, YOU SICKEN ME! I AM SUPERIOR! I READ A LOT MORE THAN YOU! BLAH BLAH!"
How come NO ONE here is interested in wasting their time with you? Have you ever asked yourself that?
Is it because we're ALL stupid?
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Not "interested in wasting their time"?
...and this all coming from the guy who has rated me 477 times. I don't know about everyone being stupid necessarily, but Im pretty sure your true colors are shining through, Ms. Lauper.
How Caulaincourt has rated other users
electrictoothsyndrome (user info) -279 on 477 = -0.58
By the way, that's more than you've rated any other user but Apollo.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:45:07 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:18:07 (#)
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Avoiding Caul? http://www.ubersite.com/m/86315#1920617
You don't need to be anything to have ideals. You're giving wealth way too much credit because you live in a society which idealises it. If you lived in Africa, for example, your ideals would be different; perhaps you'd idealise about having enough food to feed your family, either way, they're there."
guess what? i *did* live in West Central Africa, for three years straight. you're full of shit, and so is MistressFist if she REALLY believes ideals have nothing to with wealth. ideals and philosophy are intellectual stagnation, that only come about in societies where people have too much fucking time on their hands. you're right, people in third world countries and ruined societies worry more about finding fucking food and breeding. that doesn't make it a goddamn ideal, you mongoloid. it's called surviving. they don't worry about making the world a better place, they don't really give a shit if oil is running out, and there's no such thing as a society that DOESN'T idealize wealth. know why? because wealth equals comfort. it's not an idealization, it's cold hard fact. take this bullshit spiritual message to the masses of Zaire or Ethiopia and see just how much of a warm friendly reception you'll get. you're not going to find any stimulating intellectual conversation on the higher reality of an ethereal consciousness. it's fucking bullshit that's invented because it makes whoever accepts feel better about themselves. when you don't have to worry about just staying live, when your life is comfortable in every way, you get fucking bored, and start to feel that your life is meaningless. it has everything to do with wealth, stop being such an arrogant dickwad and fucking get a brain.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:37:22 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:52:02 (#)
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Yes, that would be nice, but it's not necessary in order to assess the state of the environment in which we EVOLVED and came into being. The oldest homo sapien bones ever found are estimated at around 120,000 years. That's a long time in terms of CLIMATE. Air, atmosphere, rain cycles, ocean cycles...these things aren't going to have major wave changes last over 120,000 years, at least not without some outside force introduced into the system. The chance encounters with asteroids, meteors, comets, major volcanic eruptions, pole and magnetic pole shifts...these things are the exceptions to the rule. NOT the rule themselves."
how can you possibly be this fucking STUPID? human evolution doesn't start, or stop, with homo sapiens sapiens, Ms. Keller. the first woodland apes to diverge into a branch that would develop into our own species are estimated to have done so about 5... ready... *million* years ago. our physiology is still, today, nearly identical to that of chimpanzees -so much so that chimpanzees are more genetically similar to us than to gorillas. chimpanzees are also an extremely evolutionarily conservative species, having displayed little change over time in ratio to other species' evolutionary development.
although humans are extremely quick to evolve(i've read somewhere that the only mammalian species known to evolve at a faster rate was the polar bear), the differences between us and chimps -the closest apes to our ancestral line- are so small that any climate changes would affect us equally. figure it out, or in case you can't(or, more likely, simply won't): even using a conservative value of a mere 2 million years ago, and knowing that chimpanzees are largely identical to our mutual ancestors, exactly how do you presume to explain your use of such a limited timeframe to justify your crackpot bullshit? of course, we already all know the answer, which is 'because it justifies my preconceived notions rather comfortably.'
but the thing is, as retarded as you can be, we derive enjoyment from it. looks like your life may just have a purpose outside of sitting in a darkened basement after all. you entertain us. you're a pathetic little puppet strung along by others who, like you, are so involved in thinking that they have some sort of access to a higher knowledge that the rest of humanity denies, they'll sponge up any intellectual diarrhea that comes along faster than they can microwave another Hot Pocket. funniest thing of all is, you're exactly the kind of individual the global rulers -assuming such a thing exists- hope to create. have fun being the most insignificant person on the planet, Miss Priss.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:13:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:03:23 (#)
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That's funny, Caul, considering I can't remember the last time you gave a real debate with me a chance.
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Why would I?
Anytime I or anyone tried to put forward an argument that makes you usually ignore it or you'll select small parts of it and say: "FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID, YOU SICKEN ME! I AM SUPERIOR! I READ A LOT MORE THAN YOU! BLAH BLAH!"
How come NO ONE here is interested in wasting their time with you? Have you ever asked yourself that?
Is it because we're ALL stupid?
Or because you're a raging psychopath with serious attitude problems and that the only person who thinks you're worthy a debate is yourself?
I must leave so I'll let you figure that one out for yourself.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 18:03:23 EDT (#)
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That's funny, Caul, considering I can't remember the last time you gave a real debate with me a chance.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:59:01 EDT (#)
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So, yes, talk of it seems pathetic and not worth our time, but it's better than the alternative by a long shot. """
Talking is all fine by me. But if we want these ideals to spread, it'll take a little bit more humility than ETS or MistressFist show who pretend to have the solution for everybody.
People like ETS are extremly counter-productive to any debate. They let their massive egos get in the way and then it all turns into a circus. They make other people to turn their back on the discussion or they simply bully them out of it.
You have to be humble if you want to share view points. Saying you're above everyone and that you hold the Truth is not exactly the way to do it. ETS is the prime example of why we can't get any healthy debate nowadays.
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:42:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:33:18 (#)
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But just so you know...
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/idl/mtgz/20060326/233219-77795.jpg?size=l
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Cheap shot! You bitch!!! :~(
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:34:34 EDT (#)
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I see at least someone gets it. Thanks Yellow Dart. You're a credit to your species.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:33:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:24:16 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:47:31 (#)
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Way to nit-pick on words.
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<<Hoping you'll argue with this. Nothing beats a good argument between geographical foes>>
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I don't have time too. I must go see my accoutant because I'm too lazy to do my own tax report.
But just so you know...
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/idl/mtgz/20060326/233219-77795.jpg?size=l
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:24:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:47:31 (#)
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Way to nit-pick on words.
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I can't let my franco neighbour off easily! I agree with what you said, by the way.
Theories and high-level hypotheses are what changes people's states of mind, which slowly trickle throughout the world and eventually can change a whole lot. Granted, the theories have to be popular and gain enough momentum, but thinking and talking about such things as a peaceful world or one without poverty or famine or whatever you envision are a lot better ways to bring those ends about than telling people off or that it'll never happen. It's awfully regressive if all we do shoot down possibility. So, yes, talk of it seems pathetic and not worth our time, but it's better than the alternative by a long shot.
<<Hoping you'll argue with this. Nothing beats a good argument between geographical foes>>
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:19:13 EDT (#)
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Plus you're a degenerate drug addict, so your opinion holds absolutely ZERO value in my eyes and any other rational persons eyes.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 17:16:49 EDT (#)
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What you fail to realize is that the human race is doomed. We are genetically pre-disposed to destroying ourselves. We are greedy, selfish monsters. Neither you nor anyone else can stop it. It's on such a grand scale that no amount of blathering you do, or anyone else does, and has done for ages, for that matter, will help. We apparently WANT to go out in a blaze of glory. You can't mobilize people enough to do a total 180 and reverse the process. it just can't be done.
If the macrocosm is too big for your tiny little brain, consider the microcosm. We are prone to do things that are harmful. We smoke, we drink, we do alot of things in EXCESS that is just plain stupid. Now apply that to the macrocosm, and politics, and the state of world affairs in general and you'll see that we're in the middle of a giant pot of "we're fucked in the ass" tomato soup.
Stop wasting your breath, especially on issues that are 5 years old. Focus on the here and now, and help in any way you can, however little it may be. Arguing on the internet is THE most counter-productive thing you could do.
If you can help one person, do it. Make an effort. If you can change one life, that's all that anyone can ask of you. You can't do that on Ubersite.
You're still a fucking loser, though, and will disregard this and every other rational statement someone throws your way.
You're your own worst enemy.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:49:10 EDT (#)
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1. GETTING A JOB (I have a job. I'm there right now.)
You seem to work hard.
2. WORKING FOR UNICEF (Might do that after my lease is up.)
No you won't.
3. WORKING FOR THE RED CROSS (See above.)
See above
4. GETTING A HAIRCUT (Got one last week.)
Your mom scisors do not count.
5. BLASTING HIMSELF IN THE FACE WITH A SHOTGUN (Don't own a shotgun.)
How are you kill your senator?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:47:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:18:07 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:50:28 (#)
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Yes, I get it. You didn't invent anything here, just about everybody on this planet imagined this better world you described already. But it's easy to speak of ideals when you're on a full stomach, under a roof, with more luxury than you'll ever need and with virtually no threat to your security.
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Avoiding Caul? http://www.ubersite.com/m/86315#1920617
You don't need to be anything to have ideals. You're giving wealth way too much credit because you live in a society which idealises it. If you lived in Africa, for example, your ideals would be different; perhaps you'd idealise about having enough food to feed your family, either way, they're there.
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Way to nit-pick on words. You basically said what I said. Perhaps I expressed myself wrong.
By "ideals", I was referring to this whole sprititual experience where we all share and kiss and love each others.
Yes, anybody can dream of something. But I'm not sure someone whose starving, is homeless or is in a war zone gives a shit about giving back to the Earth and have compassaion for his neighbor. I'm not sure that someone who was raised under the tight grip of religion cares about overreaching to you either.
It's easy to envision a cute beautiful world from our DIFFERENT viewpoint.
You can't ask others to do the same if you don't understand that...that's all I'm saying.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:47:00 EDT (#)
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what the hell? how does a giant dildo crush a sun? first of all, that's like completely impossible -- you should know that being the man of science that you are... okay, time to go coach! toodles!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:45:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:24:44 (#)
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If my cause is to spread awareness of how our government is fucking us everyday of our lives, I already am.
Thank you.
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i'm getting fucked every day? huh? I'M GETTING FUCKED EVERY DAY?!?! FUCK YEAH!!! THANK YOU? NO THANK YOU SIR I'M GETTING LAID EVERY DAY!!!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:44:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:33:48 (#)
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I'm glad you finally got some airtime though, you deserve it! You're a winner! Things are gonna change, I can feel it!
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I pay no mind to you, Method. You're a giant dildo crushing the sun.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:44:33 EDT (#)
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Nothing to say about the truth of our MASSIVE WTF OMG SKY IS FALLING deficit then?
Didn't really think so.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:40:34 EDT (#)
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yeah ets, despite your intentions, your actions and posts are pretty much counter-productive to any change you seek, soley based on the fact that you're a complete tit.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:33:48 EDT (#)
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I'm glad you finally got some airtime though, you deserve it! You're a winner! Things are gonna change, I can feel it!
http://www.nymethod.com/ets_live_video.html
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:31:34 EDT (#)
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You're not someone I or anyone else would listen to, so you're wasting your time. You're not a credible source.
'Hey, this guy on the soap box is talking about stuff like the government and pollution and global warming!'
'Oh yeah? What's he do? He a scientist?'
'Nah, I think he works at the Stop-n-shop bagging groceries.'
'Oh. I'm hungry. let's go get nachos'
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:24:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:14:17 (#)
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He would never actually volunteer anywhere, it's so much easier to sit around and do nothing. He's useless. If he truly believed everything he's saying, he would be out doing something about it. That is the biggest argument against anything he could say, and the inevitable downfall of this whole internet crusade.
The World: If you believe in your cause so strongly, ETS, why don't you go and do something about it?
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If my cause is to spread awareness of how our government is fucking us everyday of our lives, I already am. And you people are my engine.
Thank you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:22:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:07:50 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:01:40 (#)
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They invented the pie chart for people like me. To MAKE IT OBVIOUS....and it IS!
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I suggest you take a basic statistics class. The charts you toss around are obviously too complicated for you.
Especially if you think a weather station in Hawaii less than 50 yrs old can prove that atmospheric models from ice cores going back 600,00yrs.
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It's supplemental data...(that just happens to follow the same parabolic curve as the ice core data).
METHOD:
1. GETTING A JOB (I have a job. I'm there right now.)
2. WORKING FOR UNICEF (Might do that after my lease is up.)
3. WORKING FOR THE RED CROSS (See above.)
4. GETTING A HAIRCUT (Got one last week.)
5. BLASTING HIMSELF IN THE FACE WITH A SHOTGUN (Don't own a shotgun.)
DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT USING UBERSITE AS A MEANS OF GETTING YOURSELF ON GOOGLE WILL GET YOU NOWHERE?
Not really.
YOU JUST DONT GET IT, YOU ARE SO FUCKING DENSE, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE
What?
AND CLIP YOUR FUCKING FINGERNAILS, THAT'S DISGUSTING
I play guitar and I fingerpick. So no.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:20:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:14:17 (#)
Ranking: -2
He would never actually volunteer anywhere, it's so much easier to sit around and do nothing. He's useless. If he truly believed everything he's saying, he would be out doing something about it. That is the biggest argument against anything he could say, and the inevitable downfall of this whole internet crusade.
The World: If you believe in your cause so strongly, ETS, why don't you go and do something about it?
ETS: LOOK AT THIS PIE CHART, IT SHOWS THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR DEPRECIATING DRAMATICALLY AS THE RAIN FORESTS ARE CUT DOWN AND THE POLAR ICE CAPS MELT
The World: Well, are you going to answer our question?
ETS: WATCH THIS VIDEO ABOUT HOW BUSH IS CRUCIFYING US FOR OIL
The World: ................
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You forgot the part where he gets all pissy and calls everyone a bunch of fucking idiots before retaliating against the whole world with a -2 that doesn't even matter.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:18:40 EDT (#)
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or at least give blood. shit that's a once every three months commitment. if you haven't gotten anything pierced in the last 18 months you're eligible since it seems that you've never had any otherwise risky behavior cuz you don't do anything.
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:18:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:50:28 (#)
Ranking: -2
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Yes, I get it. You didn't invent anything here, just about everybody on this planet imagined this better world you described already. But it's easy to speak of ideals when you're on a full stomach, under a roof, with more luxury than you'll ever need and with virtually no threat to your security.
+++++++
Avoiding Caul? http://www.ubersite.com/m/86315#1920617
You don't need to be anything to have ideals. You're giving wealth way too much credit because you live in a society which idealises it. If you lived in Africa, for example, your ideals would be different; perhaps you'd idealise about having enough food to feed your family, either way, they're there.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:14:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
He would never actually volunteer anywhere, it's so much easier to sit around and do nothing. He's useless. If he truly believed everything he's saying, he would be out doing something about it. That is the biggest argument against anything he could say, and the inevitable downfall of this whole internet crusade.
The World: If you believe in your cause so strongly, ETS, why don't you go and do something about it?
ETS: LOOK AT THIS PIE CHART, IT SHOWS THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR DEPRECIATING DRAMATICALLY AS THE RAIN FORESTS ARE CUT DOWN AND THE POLAR ICE CAPS MELT
The World: Well, are you going to answer our question?
ETS: WATCH THIS VIDEO ABOUT HOW BUSH IS CRUCIFYING US FOR OIL
The World: ................
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:10:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:57:51 (#)
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Actually, you win the prize for the World's Most Unwise Choice Of Life Partner.
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Caul, that makes it sound like he's her lesbian lover.
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:10:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:46:31 (#)
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And the prize for World's Clumsiest Metaphor goes to...
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The Bible!
Turns out Jesus was just trying to promote the virtues of wood (rather than hay or dirt) and even tied himself up to show its ergonomic back straightening qualities. He made a bundle and promptly skipped town (you know how those Romans taxed). Little bastard chose words that could also be interpreted to the likes of "burn your neighbour's house" and "kill the gays" through translation. And the kingdom of heaven? - only the most glorious doll house built at the time by our main man.
(I have reminants of this house that I'll sell to the dye-hard woodsmith in all of us. Worship your local wooden benchs, chairs, and splinters!)
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:09:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:06:02 (#)
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HERE ARE A LIST OF THINGS THAT ETS COULD BE DOING THAT WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT ON WORLD AFFAIRS THAN ARGUING ON THE INTERNET:
1. GETTING A JOB
2. WORKING FOR UNICEF
3. WORKING FOR THE RED CROSS
4. GETTING A HAIRCUT
5. BLASTING HIMSELF IN THE FACE WITH A SHOTGUN
DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT USING UBERSITE AS A MEANS OF GETTING YOURSELF ON GOOGLE WILL GET YOU NOWHERE? NO ONE, AND I REPEAT NO ONE, WILL LISTEN TO YOUR INSANE RAMBLINGS BECAUSE YOU ARE A SELF ABSORBED, UNKEMPT, UNEDUCATED, INSANE GOOBER FROM INDIANA, NO MATTER HOW MANY FUCKING HITS YOU HAVE OR HOW MANY TIMES YOU APPEAR ON GOOGLE.
YOU JUST DONT GET IT, YOU ARE SO FUCKING DENSE, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE
AND CLIP YOUR FUCKING FINGERNAILS, THAT'S DISGUSTING
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You forgot salvation army, peace corps, and countless other ways to voulenteer. But that would require work, and actually believing the horse shit that you are shoveling.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:09:40 EDT (#)
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hahahah, that was a pretty harsh débonktion method!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:07:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:01:40 (#)
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They invented the pie chart for people like me. To MAKE IT OBVIOUS....and it IS!
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I suggest you take a basic statistics class. The charts you toss around are obviously too complicated for you.
Especially if you think a weather station in Hawaii less than 50 yrs old can prove that atmospheric models from ice cores going back 600,00yrs.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:06:02 EDT (#)
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HERE ARE A LIST OF THINGS THAT ETS COULD BE DOING THAT WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT ON WORLD AFFAIRS THAN ARGUING ON THE INTERNET:
1. GETTING A JOB
2. WORKING FOR UNICEF
3. WORKING FOR THE RED CROSS
4. GETTING A HAIRCUT
5. BLASTING HIMSELF IN THE FACE WITH A SHOTGUN
DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT USING UBERSITE AS A MEANS OF GETTING YOURSELF ON GOOGLE WILL GET YOU NOWHERE? NO ONE, AND I REPEAT NO ONE, WILL LISTEN TO YOUR INSANE RAMBLINGS BECAUSE YOU ARE A SELF ABSORBED, UNKEMPT, UNEDUCATED, INSANE GOOBER FROM INDIANA, NO MATTER HOW MANY FUCKING HITS YOU HAVE OR HOW MANY TIMES YOU APPEAR ON GOOGLE.
YOU JUST DONT GET IT, YOU ARE SO FUCKING DENSE, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE
AND CLIP YOUR FUCKING FINGERNAILS, THAT'S DISGUSTING
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:03:34 EDT (#)
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they invented the pie chart so that bill gates could make millions off of excel... duh...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:02:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:47:25 (#)
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These people actually worked their whole lives in their particular fields.
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Edison perfected the incandesent lightbulb at age 32 despite having no formal education whatsoever.
Einstein wrote the Special Theory of Relativity at age 26 despite being a hoodlum at school and teaching himself euclidian geometry.
Adam Smith was in his middle to late 20s when he first began expounding his laisse faire economic theory. Again, in case you missed it the first time around, he was NOT trained in economics. He was a philosophy student and lecturer.
Anything else?
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Edison had been a "tinkerer" his whole life.
Einstein was far from a hoodlum at school, just a bad student. He went to secondary school where he studied Maxwell's electromagnetic theory. He wrote his first paper on capillary forces of a drinking straw when he was 21. He was involved in this stuff his whole life.
I don't know shit about Adam smith, so I will give that to you. But you are still too fucking stupid to get the point.
This guy whips out a theory that has backing from no major news sources, no credible economists, and you take his unrespected theory as the TRUTH. You are a fucking idiot who jumps to any idea that suits your half assed arguments, and when it flies in the face of common sense, the rest of the world, and trained professionals you say you found a Genius.
I just want to know if you bought the magnetic bracelets from the asian guy who say it will make you live forever. He has no formal training, and the establishment doesn't report on him, so he must be a genius too, right?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 16:01:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:53:14 (#)
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ETS:
My argument was against Indoninja's assertion that a person can't be an expert in a field of study without a formal education in that field.
I think I have successfully disproven that.
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Read: I'm an expert.
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How do you arrive at that conclusion? Did you miss the part where I talked about Edison, Smith, Einstein and Einstein?
I never said I was an expert AT ALL. In fact, through all of this the core message has been IT'S COMMON SENSE. All a reasonable person with ANY understanding of basic math has to do is look at the numbers in both the environmental data and the economic data and see that things are fucked up.
They invented the pie chart for people like me. To MAKE IT OBVIOUS....and it IS!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:57:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:46:31 (#)
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I'm not sure the world needs to be 'saved' - the earth has the ability to fix itself. We can only push the pendulum so far in one direction before it swings back to knock us out. We're just bacteria in a petri dish that will start dying back as soon as we're living in too much of our own shit.
I think most people could use a healthy dose of the realisation that we're lucky to be here at all, and as the present is all that we have, we should make sure we're getting some enjoyment out of it. Like all things, it comes down to balance - there's no point smelling the flowers whilst your house is burning down, but if you're spending all your time stocking up on fire extinguishers you'll be overrun by weeds.
And the prize for World's Clumsiest Metaphor goes to...
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Actually, you win the prize for the World's Most Unwise Choice Of Life Partner.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:54:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:47:25 (#)
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These people actually worked their whole lives in their particular fields.
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Edison perfected the incandesent lightbulb at age 32 despite having no formal education whatsoever.
Einstein wrote the Special Theory of Relativity at age 26 despite being a hoodlum at school and teaching himself euclidian geometry.
Adam Smith was in his middle to late 20s when he first began expounding his laisse faire economic theory. Again, in case you missed it the first time around, he was NOT trained in economics. He was a philosophy student and lecturer.
Anything else?
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They still WORKED you stupid idiot! "90% of success is showing up" ~ Woody Allen
What do YOU do? You surf the web and you already convinced yourself that you're superior to everybody. WOW! SURELY YOU WILL SPARK A WORLD-WIDE REVOLUTION!
Quit implying that you're a genius on the rise. You're a fucking deadbeat.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:53:14 EDT (#)
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ETS:
My argument was against Indoninja's assertion that a person can't be an expert in a field of study without a formal education in that field.
I think I have successfully disproven that.
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Read: I'm an expert.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:51:58 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/86315#1920602 -- apparently you ignored this? seriously, you're taking a few people out of BILLIONS!! know what the odds are? PROBABLY AROUND THE SAME ODDS THAT A TINY, MINISCULE FRACTION OF DATA CAN BE EXTRAPOLATED OVER BILLIONS OF YEARS!!! weeee!!! and you still haven't answered a few of my questions...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:51:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:44:42 (#)
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Dude, I agree with lots of what you say. But you are a bit much.
No, you don't need a formal education to be an expert.
BUT... Your not an expert, and neigther am I. None of this information is new to me but that sure doesn't make me an expert.
BUT... You don't need to be an 'expert' to understand this sort of stuff.
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*calms down*
That's EXACTLY my point. THANK YOU.... I guess.
Thank you for failing to understand the difference between defending yourself against what SOMEONE ELSE had said, and espousing the idea yourself.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:50:47 EDT (#)
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I think the fundamental divide between right and left when it comes down to most things, is right wing people are more optimistic. Maybe that's good, maybe it's bad.
Left wing people say I'm right wing, and right wing people call me a hippie. I think that the environment is in terrible danger, and I think the US is acting like a bully. (Intentional or not). But I think they should build a wall between the states and mexico, and that hiring and illegal immigrant should warrant jail time. Etc. Who am I?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:50:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:27:01 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:46:31 (#)
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It's easy to have ideals when you live in the richest nation on Earth.
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you totally don't get it. this isn't about money or living in a rich country.
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Yes, I get it. You didn't invent anything here, just about everybody on this planet imagined this better world you described already. But it's easy to speak of ideals when you're on a full stomach, under a roof, with more luxury than you'll ever need and with virtually no threat to your security.
You and I may have time to think about these paradize scenarios but the majority of people on this planet, poor people, act on survival instinct.
You speak of love and compassion...I suggest you get started with sympathy and humility first.
It's easy to have a solution for everything when you speak only from your narrow view point. Ask ETS, he's good at that.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:47:25 EDT (#)
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These people actually worked their whole lives in their particular fields.
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Edison perfected the incandesent lightbulb at age 32 despite having no formal education whatsoever.
Einstein wrote the Special Theory of Relativity at age 26 despite being a hoodlum at school and teaching himself euclidian geometry.
Adam Smith was in his middle to late 20s when he first began expounding his laisse faire economic theory. Again, in case you missed it the first time around, he was NOT trained in economics. He was a philosophy student and lecturer.
Anything else?
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:47:06 EDT (#)
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I don't mean to say it will 'ruin anything'. But the US still doesn't like it very much, it's a sign of the times. At the very least its unprecedented.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:46:31 EDT (#)
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I'm not sure the world needs to be 'saved' - the earth has the ability to fix itself. We can only push the pendulum so far in one direction before it swings back to knock us out. We're just bacteria in a petri dish that will start dying back as soon as we're living in too much of our own shit.
I think most people could use a healthy dose of the realisation that we're lucky to be here at all, and as the present is all that we have, we should make sure we're getting some enjoyment out of it. Like all things, it comes down to balance - there's no point smelling the flowers whilst your house is burning down, but if you're spending all your time stocking up on fire extinguishers you'll be overrun by weeds.
And the prize for World's Clumsiest Metaphor goes to...
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:44:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:05:00 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:01:29 (#)
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Bradley Linzy woke up at 30 years old, realizing that there was more to life than pot and Kurt Cobain and now he thinks he sees himself as a fucking milestone in mankind's history.
I can't believe he just compared himself to Franklin, Einstein or Lennon and whatnot...all men with tremendous talent and of course, the ability to live outside their parent's basement.
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I didn't compare myself to them, you just did.
My argument was against Indoninja's assertion that a person can't be an expert in a field of study without a formal education in that field.
I think I have successfully disproven that.
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Dude, I agree with lots of what you say. But you are a bit much.
No, you don't need a formal education to be an expert.
BUT... Your not an expert, and neigther am I. None of this information is new to me but that sure doesn't make me an expert.
BUT... You don't need to be an 'expert' to understand this sort of stuff.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:44:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:42:26 (#)
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How does acknowleding global warming make you left wing? Also, if selling oil in euros is no big deal, then why does the goverment keep freaking out about it?
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Where is the Govt freaking out about it?
Where is a reputable economist saying it will ruin the US?
People don't pay for billions of $ worth of oil in cash, it is electronic, adding a conversition to the price will probably be the biggest impact.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:42:26 EDT (#)
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How does acknowleding global warming make you left wing? Also, if selling oil in euros is no big deal, then why does the goverment keep freaking out about it?
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:27:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:46:31 (#)
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It's easy to have ideals when you live in the richest nation on Earth.
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you totally don't get it. this isn't about money or living in a rich country.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:19:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:03:00 (#)
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And judging by that goofy fuck in YOUR picture, I guess that puts you in the three to four year range.
PS: You are an idiot. Your arguments are one dimensional and they lack substance in ALL respects. One only need read my arguments and compare them to your two-sentence nuggets of pure, crusty, petrified dogshit to see who's the fucking idiot here.
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hey jessica, how about we calm down for just a second here, okay? what picture are you talking about, and what's your obsession with me being three to four years old? if that was the case i'd probably be the smartest three year old on the planet, based on my superior typing skills alone!!
p.s. i know i'm an idiot, i've never said i wasn't. actually, if you read a lot of my posts (which i know you've done recently because you -2ed them), you'd see that in the majority of them i credit myself with being a self-proclaimed idiot. and yes, i think almost everyone that has read your arguments versus mine would agree that yours are longer. although, yours are often times filled with quotes or *facts* (and wow do i use that term loosely) and links to worthless websites, whereas my replies often simply ask you a question that you fail to be able to understand. oh, and there are times where i simply reply to you with common sense answers.. actually, that seems to happen a lot...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:10:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:05:00 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:01:29 (#)
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Bradley Linzy woke up at 30 years old, realizing that there was more to life than pot and Kurt Cobain and now he thinks he sees himself as a fucking milestone in mankind's history.
I can't believe he just compared himself to Franklin, Einstein or Lennon and whatnot...all men with tremendous talent and of course, the ability to live outside their parent's basement.
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I didn't compare myself to them, you just did.
My argument was against Indoninja's assertion that a person can't be an expert in a field of study without a formal education in that field.
I think I have successfully disproven that.
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You did compare yourself. Besides, how many times have you called yourself a "genius"?!
These people actually worked their whole lives in their particular fields. You just skim the Internet in your basement and desperatly try to convince strangers that you're superior to them. So no, you're no expert...you're just a fucking loser.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:06:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:01:29 (#)
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Bradley Linzy woke up at 30 years old, realizing that there was more to life than pot and Kurt Cobain and now he thinks he sees himself as a fucking milestone in mankind's history.
I can't believe he just compared himself to Franklin, Einstein or Lennon and whatnot...all men with tremendous talent and of course, the ability to live outside their parent's basement.
I am more and more convinced that his brain stopped thinking at 15 years old.
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Actually I think he was calling Liu a genius, and himself the messenger.
I wish I was a genius so I could sell ads on late night TV about my get rich quick schemes.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:05:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:55:15 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:51:15 (#)
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John Lennon - NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION.
Paul McCartney - NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION. "[My musical education] was very bad," says Paul McCartney. "I don't think the teacher was interested remotely."
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Popular music and science aren't exactly the same thing.
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Then how about...
Johann Sebastian Bach...
You might have heard of him.
He's the genius whose theories form the basis for virtually ALL modern western music.
NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION.
I think my other examples should be quite fucking sufficient in the science and mathematics realm without further elaboration; however, if you would like more examples where formal education and genius have not crossed paths, I would gladly oblige.
(This could go on for a while, just so you know.)
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But you're none of these people Bradley. You're not talented at anything. Adn even if you were, you wouldn't use it. You're just a delusional loser who convinced himself that he's superior. I don't know how many times we're gonna have to tell you.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:05:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:34:19 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:16:22 (#)
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Just passed 300,000 hits by the way. I'll be on MVA by next week.
This is why this douchebag is fighting with everyone, which makes this entire debacle even sadder.
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Is this really news to anyone? I thought everyone already knew this.
I see it like this, of course it's really pathetic and stupid and sure it only makes him look more insane. However, if his one goal in life is to compete with other internet geeks who will never know or care to know him for the title of the most popular geek on a fucking website that doesn't matter in real life(yes ETS, that's all the MVA list is), who are we to crush his dreams?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:05:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:01:29 (#)
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Bradley Linzy woke up at 30 years old, realizing that there was more to life than pot and Kurt Cobain and now he thinks he sees himself as a fucking milestone in mankind's history.
I can't believe he just compared himself to Franklin, Einstein or Lennon and whatnot...all men with tremendous talent and of course, the ability to live outside their parent's basement.
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I didn't compare myself to them, you just did.
My argument was against Indoninja's assertion that a person can't be an expert in a field of study without a formal education in that field.
I think I have successfully disproven that.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:04:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:48:44 (#)
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What the fuck does a weather observatory on Mauna Loa have to do with the accuracy of Greenhouse gas models going back hundreds of thousands of years?
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SEE!!! You're so fucking stupid you don't know how to read a goddamn BAR GRAPH.
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I know how to read it you dumb fuck, what the hell does it have to do with anything? Does what they are seeing on Mauna LAu in any fucking corroborate what they are saying happened tens of thousands of years ago?
Maybe I missd the time when we made a fucking time machine and built a weather station in hawaii 600,000 years ago. Becaus unless they did it lends zero fucking credit to models that are predicting what the atmosphere was like back then.
So you are saying Liu is a Genius? What do you base this on? He has an obscure Article in the opinion section of the Asia times?
Face it his theory is shit, and it is all tied into him making mioney with his investment group. Look at the books he is commenting on and the type of people who make the same recommendations.
I bet you think those guys who make those magnetic bracelets that cure diseases are genius class thinkers as well.
Everyone of the people you listed spent their lives pursuing what they were later known for being great in. What has Liu done?
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:03:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:46:31 (#)
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It's easy to have ideals when you live in the richest nation on Earth.
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Somebody get a band-aid, his heart's bleeding all over the place!
Anyone can have ideals Caul. Whether or not they can obtain them is another matter.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:03:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:58:45 (#)
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ets, seeing as how you skipped over my last point (as expected), how often do these geniuses come along? i mean, what are the odds that this guy is the 'adam smith' of our times? i'll give you a hint: you've got a better chance at getting laid by a woman within the next year.
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And judging by that goofy fuck in YOUR picture, I guess that puts you in the three to four year range.
PS: You are an idiot. Your arguments are one dimensional and they lack substance in ALL respects. One only need read my arguments and compare them to your two-sentence nuggets of pure, crusty, petrified dogshit to see who's the fucking idiot here.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 15:01:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Bradley Linzy woke up at 30 years old, realizing that there was more to life than pot and Kurt Cobain and now he thinks he sees himself as a fucking milestone in mankind's history.
I can't believe he just compared himself to Franklin, Einstein or Lennon and whatnot...all men with tremendous talent and of course, the ability to live outside their parent's basement.
I am more and more convinced that his brain stopped thinking at 15 years old.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:58:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
ets, seeing as how you skipped over my last point (as expected), how often do these geniuses come along? i mean, what are the odds that this guy is the 'adam smith' of our times? i'll give you a hint: you've got a better chance at getting laid by a woman within the next year.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:55:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:51:15 (#)
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John Lennon - NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION.
Paul McCartney - NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION. "[My musical education] was very bad," says Paul McCartney. "I don't think the teacher was interested remotely."
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Popular music and science aren't exactly the same thing.
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Then how about...
Johann Sebastian Bach...
You might have heard of him.
He's the genius whose theories form the basis for virtually ALL modern western music.
NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION.
I think my other examples should be quite fucking sufficient in the science and mathematics realm without further elaboration; however, if you would like more examples where formal education and genius have not crossed paths, I would gladly oblige.
(This could go on for a while, just so you know.)
Submitted by nochitlins (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:52:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I read enough to know that science isn't your forte. Jesus Fuckin' Christ! There's more to knowledge than just surfing the news channels and repeating what you heard.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:51:15 EDT (#)
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John Lennon - NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION.
Paul McCartney - NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION. "[My musical education] was very bad," says Paul McCartney. "I don't think the teacher was interested remotely."
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Popular music and science aren't exactly the same thing.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:48:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:19:13 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:01:48 (#)
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OH MY FUCKING GOD....
http://www.solar.coppe.ufrj.br/co2.gif
The Mauna Loa records and the ice core records match the same parabolic shape. Coincidence?
Plus, it's not just ice cores. Data from a wide variety of sources matches the same picture. Tree rings (both modern and ancient), studies of certain animals, analysis of properties of humus...
I can't believe the lengths to which some people will go to discredit perfectly reliable data.
It's fucking nonsense. Is there ANYBODY on this entire godforsaken website with a brain!?!?! Would you please just tell this jerk that he's wrong?
Goddammit.
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What the fuck does a weather observatory on Mauna Loa have to do with the accuracy of Greenhouse gas models going back hundreds of thousands of years?
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SEE!!! You're so fucking stupid you don't know how to read a goddamn BAR GRAPH.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:47:38 EDT (#)
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I think it is interesting that he has no training in economics, that I can find very little about his investment group, and that his quotes mirror the guy who wrote "How to Become a Millionaire without really working".
So what is really going on here. CNN, BBC, every major newspaper, even fucking Al-Jazeera are covering up this story, or Henry C.K. Liu is a crackpot. I would go with the second one since he isn't trained in economics, has an "investment group" that I can find nothing about, and has quotes next to a guy who writes books about pyramid schemes or other horseshit.
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When a congressman makes a speech about it on the floor of the house of representatives and ties it in with our interest in invading Iran, yes, you should expect CNN and BBC to at LEAST mention this view in their editorials on Iran, but they do NOT. So, yes, they are either irresponsible, ill-informed, or purposefully withholding information.
Now on to your assertion that someone cannot be an expert in a field unless they have recieved formal training... COMPLETE NONSENSE.
Adam Smith - studied philosophy at University of Glasgow. NO FORMAL ECONOMICS TRAINING.
Albert Einstein - "Taught himself Euclidean plane geometry from a school booklet and began to study calculus. While at [school], he clashed with authority and resented the school regimen, believing that the spirit of learning and creative thought were lost in such endeavors as strict memorization." wikipedia
Thomas Alva Edison - Attended elementary school for only 3 MONTHS before being pulled out by his mother in favor of home schooling. NO FORMAL EDUCATION.
Benjamin Franklin - NO FORMAL EDUCATION beyond the age of 10. Believed in the importance of self-education.
John Lennon - NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION.
Paul McCartney - NO FORMAL MUSICAL EDUCATION. "[My musical education] was very bad," says Paul McCartney. "I don't think the teacher was interested remotely."
Growing up in working-class Liverpool, England, in the 1950s, he remembers, "we had a music class kind of once a week, but the guy used to just put on a record and leave us alone with the record. So I'm afraid that didn't do an awful lot. We turned it down and told jokes." http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-10-17-music-lives-mccartney_x.htm
Shall I continue? Genius has nothing to do with education. Nothing.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:46:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:00:56 (#)
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I believe that humankind's biggest problem is that we forget that we are spirits having a human experience, not the other way around. That if we began honoring the divinity within, we would be less likely to engage in wars, defacing the Earth which has given us EVERYTHING, and taking advantage of others unjustly for our own gain. That if we individually lived our lives with more love and compassion, this would act as a wave affecting humanity as a whole. We live in a very spiritually disconnected country and world as a whole. We are disconnected from our path and our higher selves, as a whole. We are constantly hounded by unhealthy stimuli that manifests into addiction, disease, apathy and total disconnect with the joy that is being alive. Taking time to notice what is meaningful. Taking time to be thankful to the earth that provides us with so much and asks only for respect and cooperation in return. We cannot even give her that. Getting back to what brings our lives TRUE meaning should be the goal. The rest will fall into place.
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It's easy to have ideals when you live in the richest nation on Earth.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:39:54 EDT (#)
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inion -- your name sounds like onion, so you're a-ok in my book. keep up the great work with all the charities that you belong to, and don't you worry about that porn. get it to me whenever you can.
thanks,
wardy.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:38:04 EDT (#)
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i love you now wardy. i shall shower you with porn one day.
Submitted by wijormiclat (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:35:04 EDT (#)
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This post should be entitled: How to Save the World: JON PERRY!!!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:20:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:12:35 (#)
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ets -- not to be a bugger or anything, but was that a government funded research facility? i'm a little sketchy about them and their neo-politics...
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Raw data and conclusions drawn from that data are two different things.
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not in your eyes, love kitten. everything you've said previously is that we can trust nothing that comes out of a place that has direct ties to the government and/or big corporations. it's okay, i know i've caught you fucking up once again, let's just pretend this is a game of tag and i've been kicking the shit out of you for like three weeks now. sound fair?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:19:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:01:48 (#)
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OH MY FUCKING GOD....
http://www.solar.coppe.ufrj.br/co2.gif
The Mauna Loa records and the ice core records match the same parabolic shape. Coincidence?
Plus, it's not just ice cores. Data from a wide variety of sources matches the same picture. Tree rings (both modern and ancient), studies of certain animals, analysis of properties of humus...
I can't believe the lengths to which some people will go to discredit perfectly reliable data.
It's fucking nonsense. Is there ANYBODY on this entire godforsaken website with a brain!?!?! Would you please just tell this jerk that he's wrong?
Goddammit.
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What the fuck does a weather observatory on Mauna Loa have to do with the accuracy of Greenhouse gas models going back hundreds of thousands of years?
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:01:48 (#)
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OH MY FUCKING GOD....
http://www.solar.coppe.ufrj.br/co2.gif
The Mauna Loa records and the ice core records match the same parabolic shape. Coincidence?
Plus, it's not just ice cores. Data from a wide variety of sources matches the same picture. Tree rings (both modern and ancient), studies of certain animals, analysis of properties of humus...
I can't believe the lengths to which some people will go to discredit perfectly reliable data.
It's fucking nonsense. Is there ANYBODY on this entire godforsaken website with a brain!?!?! Would you please just tell this jerk that he's wrong?
Goddammit.
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Dipshit, I am not arguing that there hasn't been an increase in the last 200 years, or that it isn't influenced by the industrial revolution. I am arguing that no respected scientist will come out and say how accurate these models are. It is easy to see how a mistake in the modeling could account for more than a 20% difference.
Your graph is completely fucking useless in this argument. Sorry I don't know wht the fuck Mauna Lau is, and the site that that graph is attatched to seems to not be in english. I could show a graph with you making a lot of money, getting married and being happy in the future, that doesn't make it true.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:12:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:06:01 (#)
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ets -- not to be a bugger or anything, but was that a government funded research facility? i'm a little sketchy about them and their neo-politics...
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Raw data and conclusions drawn from that data are two different things.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:11:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:55:16 (#)
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You going to read the book I recommended earlier ETS? I hope to get/ read it by the end of the month if I can finish some other books higher up in line.
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It sounds like something I'd really enjoy. I'll try to check it out.
Thanks.
Also, I think I'm gonna read this guy's book: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5325069
Listen to the interview on that page and you'll see why it should be pretty good too.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:11:24 EDT (#)
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i have to count individual pictures in 45 sets of photos.
um congratulations caul on getting paid for activity instead of for love-tapping method?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:09:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:07:32 (#)
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well yeah caul but we're bored.
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I'm in no position to judge. I argued my fair share on this place. But right now I just got too much work, which hasn't happen to me in like...years! I actually like it! :-D
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:07:32 EDT (#)
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well yeah caul but we're bored.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:06:18 EDT (#)
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uber seems so stupid when you're too busy ...whoa!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:06:01 EDT (#)
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ets -- not to be a bugger or anything, but was that a government funded research facility? i'm a little sketchy about them and their neo-politics...
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:03:46 EDT (#)
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so again, how is the last 200 years even in league with the last 200,000 years? it's not, you're using small scale data samples to try and prove your point. if you're going to comment on something is big you might want to find information that matches in scale not just happens to be on that subject.
everything you pick is still in the thousandths of percentages. that is too small. and just because human bones weren't discovered half a million years ago doesn't mean there weren't other mammals around. on top of that all animals that have ever lived on this planet are pretty much oxygen breathing ya know it's kinda hard to not realize that. if they didn't make it for some as of yet undiscovered reason what makes us so damn sure it isn't part of what the earth does.
the samples are too small to make long term estimates on. even scientists, ie the professionals, use words like HYPOTHESIZE and COULD and MIGHT and POSSIBLY. you need to think in those terms instead of flipping out every thirty seconds over maybes.
go back to school, or maybe just retake highschool science courses till you get those As you said were just apparently out of your reach because you were so brilliant and misunderstood. hint, the students that are truly brilliant yet don't apply themselves still get the A.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 14:01:48 EDT (#)
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i'm not saying you need 6 billion years worth of data you asshole. what i'm saying is you need a larger percentage and one thousandth of a percentage for a statistic is not near enough to base a broad sweeping theory on.
maybe ONE WHOLE PERCENT would be nice to start with.
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You also need reliable data.
http://www.baysense.com/2006/02/nas_to_review_a.html
http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/sab/enviro/05_enviroindex/18_climate_change.html
There is a 20% jump in greenhouse gasses since the industrial revolution, but our "records" from before the industrial revolution may not be accurate enough to prove that is a REAL jump.
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OH MY FUCKING GOD....
http://www.solar.coppe.ufrj.br/co2.gif
The Mauna Loa records and the ice core records match the same parabolic shape. Coincidence?
Plus, it's not just ice cores. Data from a wide variety of sources matches the same picture. Tree rings (both modern and ancient), studies of certain animals, analysis of properties of humus...
I can't believe the lengths to which some people will go to discredit perfectly reliable data.
It's fucking nonsense. Is there ANYBODY on this entire godforsaken website with a brain!?!?! Would you please just tell this jerk that he's wrong?
Goddammit.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:59:39 EDT (#)
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no i dont.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:57:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:54:00 (#)
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moral of the story is, dont go on about whats good for the planet, noone has that authority or the perspective to say what is good or isnt for the planet
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god does.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:55:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:48:40 (#)
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so... how 'bout that dollar hegemony...? anyone...? anyone...?
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-22 11:10:40 (#)
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"Now give us an in-depth report on dollar hegemony (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm) and"
Can you name a single major news source that has reported on this?
Do you know the first guy I could find talking about this even in an opinion article? Asia times 2002 in a piece by Henry C K Liu (chairman of the New York-based Liu Investment Group).
http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html
I couldn't find much about him. I saw a few quotes from him on a site about a book called "Debunking Economics". http://www.debunking-economics.com/
"Debunking Economics may not delight economic conservatives, but it is certainly necessary. Our hope must be that it will be read by enough people to prompt reform of our economic thinking and save our endangered societies.'
-James Cumes, author of How to Become a Millionaire without really working, and other books
'Particularly useful to those, like myself, who are interested in economics but not formally trained in it. Debunking Economics reveals that neoclassical economic doctrines are faulty not because conditions have changed over time, but because the fundamental assumptions from which such doctrines have been derived are less than self-evident. This book will help create a more informed public so necessary for improving economic policy fromulation in a democratic society.'
-Henry C.K. Liu, Chairman, Liu Investment Group"
I think it is interesting that he has no training in economics, that I can find very little about his investment group, and that his quotes mirror the guy who wrote "How to Become a Millionaire without really working".
So what is really going on here. CNN, BBC, every major newspaper, even fucking Al-Jazeera are covering up this story, or Henry C.K. Liu is a crackpot. I would go with the second one since he isn't trained in economics, has an "investment group" that I can find nothing about, and has quotes next to a guy who writes books about pyramid schemes or other horseshit.
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:55:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:00:56 (#)
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I believe that humankind's biggest problem is that we forget that we are spirits having a human experience, not the other way around. That if we began honoring the divinity within, we would be less likely to engage in wars, defacing the Earth which has given us EVERYTHING, and taking advantage of others unjustly for our own gain. That if we individually lived our lives with more love and compassion, this would act as a wave affecting humanity as a whole. We live in a very spiritually disconnected country and world as a whole. We are disconnected from our path and our higher selves, as a whole. We are constantly hounded by unhealthy stimuli that manifests into addiction, disease, apathy and total disconnect with the joy that is being alive. Taking time to notice what is meaningful. Taking time to be thankful to the earth that provides us with so much and asks only for respect and cooperation in return. We cannot even give her that. Getting back to what brings our lives TRUE meaning should be the goal. The rest will fall into place.
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Dude, I just gained a lot of respect for you.
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Me too.
You going to read the book I recommended earlier ETS? I hope to get/ read it by the end of the month if I can finish some other books higher up in line.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:54:00 EDT (#)
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ok, STOP talking about some 'natural' state that the earth has. there is NO single 'natural' state for this planet. whatever happens on the planet, be it a desert planet, an ocean planet, a lush, verdant forested planet or a stinking putrescent radioactive slag heap planet makes NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER to the planet itself. it will continue revolving, and life will somehow manage to continue evolving.
moral of the story is, dont go on about whats good for the planet, noone has that authority or the perspective to say what is good or isnt for the planet - realistically, nothing is either good or bad for the planet. the real discussion is whats good for humanity. this is all shit i brought up in my post that sent you a bit closer to the edge.
but as i said, the point is what is good for us, not what is good for the planet. if some people think that draining every little last resource out of this rock and turning it into a cess pool is valid, then good for them. if you disagree DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
and by 'do something', i mean in no way whatsoever should or could ubersite be involved in any way, shape or form. what is required if you wish to alter the behaviours of others to a path you see as being better for mankind in general - you have to go out there and do it. this will most likely invlve becoming active in government and effecting change from within.
but i guess im just talking crazy here. im sure we can all get heaps done sitting in our bedrooms and chatting and copying and pasting blog links around.
viva la revolution!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:52:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:40:35 (#)
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i'm not saying you need 6 billion years worth of data you asshole. what i'm saying is you need a larger percentage and one thousandth of a percentage for a statistic is not near enough to base a broad sweeping theory on.
maybe ONE WHOLE PERCENT would be nice to start with.
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Yes, that would be nice, but it's not necessary in order to assess the state of the environment in which we EVOLVED and came into being. The oldest homo sapien bones ever found are estimated at around 120,000 years. That's a long time in terms of CLIMATE. Air, atmosphere, rain cycles, ocean cycles...these things aren't going to have major wave changes last over 120,000 years, at least not without some outside force introduced into the system. The chance encounters with asteroids, meteors, comets, major volcanic eruptions, pole and magnetic pole shifts...these things are the exceptions to the rule. NOT the rule themselves.
The earth's climate - as will ALL SYSTEMS - have a natural tendency toward equilibrium.
The last major eruption of Yellowstone, for example, came about 600,000 years ago if I remember correctly. It is estimated that that explosion was among the most violent ever experienced on earth.
I'd say that 414,000 years of recorded equilibrium in the earth's climate is plenty to get a disturbing picture of what humans have done in the last 200 years and where that's going to lead to.
Put it this way...it's a place that human beings have NEVER SEEN. Never.
So, I guess, good luck to you all. I wish you well. Hope you survive. Hope your children have a world left to live in when we're done with it. One thing's for sure, their world will be unlike anything humans have ever seen.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:50:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:40:35 (#)
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i'm not saying you need 6 billion years worth of data you asshole. what i'm saying is you need a larger percentage and one thousandth of a percentage for a statistic is not near enough to base a broad sweeping theory on.
maybe ONE WHOLE PERCENT would be nice to start with.
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You also need reliable data.
http://www.baysense.com/2006/02/nas_to_review_a.html
http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/sab/enviro/05_enviroindex/18_climate_change.html
There is a 20% jump in greenhouse gasses since the industrial revolution, but our "records" from before the industrial revolution may not be accurate enough to prove that is a REAL jump.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:48:40 EDT (#)
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so... how 'bout that dollar hegemony...? anyone...? anyone...?
Submitted by congo (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:47:49 EDT (#)
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When I was a kid, I used to want to go to Evansville, Indiana because Don Mattingly lived there and had a restaurant there. It seemed like the coolest place in the world to the 10-year-old me.
Chalk up another childhood dream squashed.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:40:35 EDT (#)
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i'm not saying you need 6 billion years worth of data you asshole. what i'm saying is you need a larger percentage and one thousandth of a percentage for a statistic is not near enough to base a broad sweeping theory on.
maybe ONE WHOLE PERCENT would be nice to start with.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:38:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:25:15 (#)
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600,000/6,000,000,000 is... wait i'll do the math for you. 1/1000, or .001%. NOT ENOUGH DATA. that's not even back to the dinosaurs, which represents another problem. if we can't figure out what the hell killed them, stipulations are it was a climate change whether it was an astronomical body falling from the sky or just a natural cycle in the earth's timeline, what exactly are we going to do with a sliver of information.
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You don't NEED 6 billion years worth of fucking data to get a picture of what a stable climate should look like. 6 billion years ago, the earth was still a molten rock for fuck's sake! What the hell good is data about the developing atmosphere of the time going to tell you about the state of the current climate???? NOTHING. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.
We pretty much know what killed the dinosaurs...it was a fucking meteor the size of Mt. Everest. The sun was blocked out, nuclear winter set in, it choked out plantlife and soon the dinosaurs themselves, that is, of course, those that didn't die from inhaling the dust in the air.
All of this is completely pointless. If you can't see the stark distinction between 414,000 years worth of stable data last 200 years worth of STARK UPTURN IN CO2, that's really not my problem. Maybe you could get some help for that. I hear they have many fine adult learning centers around the country.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:35:58 EDT (#)
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indeed method man, indeed. he's the real sellout.
not that you're still not a sellout, but he's just a real, live, in-the-monitor sellout guy.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:34:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:16:22 (#)
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Just passed 300,000 hits by the way. I'll be on MVA by next week.
This is why this douchebag is fighting with everyone, which makes this entire debacle even sadder.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:34:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:23:23 (#)
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I just hope you aren't one of those people who looks down on religious people but thinks your "spiritual" beliefs set you apart. Anyone who believes in shit that can't be proven is in the same fucking boat.
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no, i don't look down on religious people that make sense. i disagree with killing people in the name of allah, or bombing abortion clinics because i'm "pro-life". i think most people disagree with the fringe fundamentalists. i have beef with many religions because of their views on women, and killing in the name of their god. but your average religious person is quite fine in my book, as long as we respect each other's right to believe in what brings our heart joy. and you are right, none of us really know if there is really a God or a Goddess or a Heaven or a Hell. So one belief system is not really truer than another. It just matters that it makes sense to the believer, that's all really.
And ETS, i think mostly i just keep my beliefs to myself because i'm intensely private and don't have the need to justify my beliefs. so partly, i just dont post because i don't have the ego-motivated need to justify them to the flamers. the fact i feel what i believe is enough for me. it's fine that you post your stuff and that's how you like to work it out, i just prefer to do it in other ways, that's all.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:26:49 EDT (#)
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ugh i hate typing in annoyance, it makes me fuck up.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:26:29 EDT (#)
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ets -- obviously i understand the concept of mankind's impact on releasing pollutants into th atmosphere, i'm not retarded. however, throughout the earth's long life it's been able endure much, much worse on a much more rapid scale. don't worry, we'll be okay. i promise. god told me so.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:25:48 EDT (#)
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ets i have to take this EMO moment to remind you that people aren't always exactly the way they are on uber. being a filthy cupcake shoving shlongy sucking ho-bag is a ton of fun on uber, but it's not the whole of what i am. my main beef with you all along was the absolute discounting of the things that i found to be helpful in my life in my tiger uber interview. now i don't have a problem with dissenting views, but just how you express them and many other here on uber.
i rarely "bust out" with the whole spiritual thing because i really don't like getting EMO flamed, and i prefer to keep my spiritual and worldly ideas to myself. and because on uber i blow off some steam being a filthy cupcake raping donkey blowing method licker.
there is more to EVERYONE here.
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I know there's more to people than what's on uber, but I think it can be a good indicator of who people are. It just would have been nice if you had realized that as you were flaming me with the rest of them.
I guess my problem is I'm too honest, huh? I don't share your reservations about speaking my TRUE thoughts or feelings on any particular subject. I have no interest in being 'safe'. I'd rather get flamed while being myself than praised while being part of an act.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:25:15 EDT (#)
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600,000/6,000,000,000 is... wait i'll do the math for you. 1/1000, or .001%. NOT ENOUGH DATA. that's not even back to the dinosaurs, which represents another problem. if we can't figure out what the hell killed them, stipulations are it was a climate change whether it was an astronomical body falling from the sky or just a natural cycle in the earth's timeline, what exactly are we going to do with a sliver of information.
the graphs speak to the speculations of scientists based on THEORY. they don't have proof, they have guestimations. if someone more knowledgable than YOU can still only come up with a POSSIBLE reason why the climate is the way it is and what it MIGHT be like what makes you think you're so damn qualified to spew off someone else's ideas onto us and tell us we're stupid for not seeing the light?
and look, that's still a graph representing a hairline slice of a pie chart we don't have all the pieces to in the first place. what the hell is wrong with you? did you even pass chemistry, biology, physics, or anything that required proof for an experiment. proof, verifiable, reaffirmed data? PROOF. that is not proof. or how bout debate, something that required you to look up information and supportive arguments while being able to refute your opponents. have you ever in your life properly researched anything enough to make even a basic proper judgment towards the subject.
take your graphs and links to the nearest college and see what the teaching community tells you. that oh look, you have unfounded data to base a grandscale estimate on.
it's kinda a no-brainer that humans have an impact on the planet. everything living creature and shit even non living entities such as wind, rain, rocks, dirt, have an impact on everything around them. so big deal the industrial revolution fucked the air directly around large cities and there's a big damn hole in the ozone layer. NEITHER has been around long enough to judge what a real long term effect these things have on the climate. global warming might be coming who knows, or shit we might have another ice age just around the corner because according to most climate estimates we're overdue by a few millenia or so for that one. experts don't know for sure, therefore YOU don't know for sure and no one in their right mind would trust someone without any scientific background beyond public highschool in indiana over the people that study this shit for a living.
stop being stupid. i know it's hard, but try. or at least promise not to reproduce. anyone willing to put up with you as a mate is also a prime candidate for a darwin award i'm sure and i don't want you fucking up the community gene pool any more.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:23:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:15:20 (#)
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i rarely "bust out" with the whole spiritual thing because i really don't like getting EMO flamed, and i prefer to keep my spiritual and worldly ideas to myself. and because on uber i blow off some steam being a filthy cupcake raping donkey blowing method licker.
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I just hope you aren't one of those people who looks down on religious people but thinks your "spiritual" beliefs set you apart. Anyone who believes in shit that can't be proven is in the same fucking boat.
It is the same shit in a different bag.
Stimuli causing disease is like the FSM belief that lack of pirates causes global warming ( http://gangwon.blogspot.com/2005/09/fsm-pirates-and-preventing-global.html ).
I can't really remember you bagging on religious people, so good on you for your beliefs.
I really don't give a rats ass what people believe, it is how they act that is important. But saying negative stimuli causes disease is like Pat saying that Ariel got sick because he gave the palestinians some land back.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:22:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:19:02 (#)
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hate to break your heart, mistress, but there isn't much more to me than you see here, other than a few overdue blockbuster dvds and a funny odor that's followed me since kindergarten. sorry to disappoint...
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bwhahahahaah i'm sure there's some gems buried under that swamp ass stink.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:19:02 EDT (#)
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hate to break your heart, mistress, but there isn't much more to me than you see here, other than a few overdue blockbuster dvds and a funny odor that's followed me since kindergarten. sorry to disappoint...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:18:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:11:32 (#)
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so let me get this straight: ice covered the earth, more or less, right? and now it's melting, because all the shit that caused the ice in the first place the earth recovered from, so it's gradually going back to it's original/natural state? i am not a geologist or botonist or anything, i took a few science classes while i was a pre-med major, but i know the authoritative qualities of google, so let me know what i'm missing...
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http://www.oar.noaa.gov/climate/observing3.html
THAT right there is ANYTHING but gradual.
Let me get this straight, Wardy..... for about 414,000 years the earth cycled between 285ppm and 189ppm of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere and you think it's "returning to its natural state" to JUMP to 360ppm from 1800 to 2000?
414,000 years of predicatable cycles = natural
20% jump over MAXIMUM (not MEAN) MAXIMUM levels in just 200 measley years = mankind
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:16:22 EDT (#)
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and indo i was not joking.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:15:20 EDT (#)
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ets i have to take this EMO moment to remind you that people aren't always exactly the way they are on uber. being a filthy cupcake shoving shlongy sucking ho-bag is a ton of fun on uber, but it's not the whole of what i am. my main beef with you all along was the absolute discounting of the things that i found to be helpful in my life in my tiger uber interview. now i don't have a problem with dissenting views, but just how you express them and many other here on uber.
i rarely "bust out" with the whole spiritual thing because i really don't like getting EMO flamed, and i prefer to keep my spiritual and worldly ideas to myself. and because on uber i blow off some steam being a filthy cupcake raping donkey blowing method licker.
there is more to EVERYONE here.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:11:32 EDT (#)
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so let me get this straight: ice covered the earth, more or less, right? and now it's melting, because all the shit that caused the ice in the first place the earth recovered from, so it's gradually going back to it's original/natural state? i am not a geologist or botonist or anything, i took a few science classes while i was a pre-med major, but i know the authoritative qualities of google, so let me know what i'm missing... also, don't forget about the dreaded dollar hegemony...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:10:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:00:56 (#)
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I believe that humankind's biggest problem is that we forget that we are spirits having a human experience, not the other way around. That if we began honoring the divinity within, we would be less likely to engage in wars, defacing the Earth which has given us EVERYTHING, and taking advantage of others unjustly for our own gain. That if we individually lived our lives with more love and compassion, this would act as a wave affecting humanity as a whole. We live in a very spiritually disconnected country and world as a whole. We are disconnected from our path and our higher selves, as a whole. We are constantly hounded by unhealthy stimuli that manifests into addiction, disease, apathy and total disconnect with the joy that is being alive. Taking time to notice what is meaningful. Taking time to be thankful to the earth that provides us with so much and asks only for respect and cooperation in return. We cannot even give her that. Getting back to what brings our lives TRUE meaning should be the goal. The rest will fall into place.
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I hope that is a joke.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:08:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:00:56 (#)
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I believe that humankind's biggest problem is that we forget that we are spirits having a human experience, not the other way around. That if we began honoring the divinity within, we would be less likely to engage in wars, defacing the Earth which has given us EVERYTHING, and taking advantage of others unjustly for our own gain. That if we individually lived our lives with more love and compassion, this would act as a wave affecting humanity as a whole. We live in a very spiritually disconnected country and world as a whole. We are disconnected from our path and our higher selves, as a whole. We are constantly hounded by unhealthy stimuli that manifests into addiction, disease, apathy and total disconnect with the joy that is being alive. Taking time to notice what is meaningful. Taking time to be thankful to the earth that provides us with so much and asks only for respect and cooperation in return. We cannot even give her that. Getting back to what brings our lives TRUE meaning should be the goal. The rest will fall into place.
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Dude, I just gained a lot of respect for you. I agree 200%. This is about the most thoughtful thing I've seen you say here.
I officially apologise to you if I've misunderstood where you're coming from all this time. It's kinda hard when I perceive you're attacking me, though.
Here's the thing though, Mistress: if we don't actively stand up against those that are destroying the gift we've been given here on this planet, it will soon be too late. The gift will be squandered.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:02:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:42:35 (#)
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i like how so many people keep pointing that out and every time we do he just goes no you're wrong without even attempting to explain how what we have is useful when compared to a missing record tally stretching back 6 billion years.
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Human beings haven't been here that long. We don't have to have a 6 billion year record of climate to make a case for anthropogenic causes global warming, namely because humans didn't evolve and weren't genetically designed to exist in previous earth conditions. Records from even 6 million years ago It's like a before and after picture on a slim fast commercial, all you need is a picture of the earth during a reasonable time period before the industrial revolution and after.
We have both. We have records that, put together, extend back about 600,000 years. The ice core records alone extend back about 414,000 years - containing a detailed snapshot of CO2 atmospheric content. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/antarctica/vostok/vostok_co2.html
Notice that from 414,000 years ago until 2342 years ago, the earth's atmosphere cycled almost like clockwork from around 285ppm to about 189ppm. ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/icecore/antarctica/vostok/co2nat.txt
Now I'll let this next graph speak for itself: http://www.oar.noaa.gov/climate/observing3.html
Any questions?
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-06 13:00:56 EDT (#)
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I believe that humankind's biggest problem is that we forget that we are spirits having a human experience, not the other way around. That if we began honoring the divinity within, we would be less likely to engage in wars, defacing the Earth which has given us EVERYTHING, and taking advantage of others unjustly for our own gain. That if we individually lived our lives with more love and compassion, this would act as a wave affecting humanity as a whole. We live in a very spiritually disconnected country and world as a whole. We are disconnected from our path and our higher selves, as a whole. We are constantly hounded by unhealthy stimuli that manifests into addiction, disease, apathy and total disconnect with the joy that is being alive. Taking time to notice what is meaningful. Taking time to be thankful to the earth that provides us with so much and asks only for respect and cooperation in return. We cannot even give her that. Getting back to what brings our lives TRUE meaning should be the goal. The rest will fall into place.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:54:37 EDT (#)
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ets, you don't think we got to where we are by making choices and sometimes chosing the lesser of two evils? come on, use some of that part of the brain that's mostly clogged with acid and bleach...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:53:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:37:14 (#)
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Almost 30 years old and has accomplished absolutely nothing in his life except some shitty Nirvana cover songs and plotting the assassinations of political world leaders.
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they are quite shitty indeed...he changed, or more like removed, the melody of the songs and turned them into two-chords tune that any no-talent hack can sing. Then he added huge amounts of reverb to mask his crappy skills.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:49:15 EDT (#)
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Glad you finally posted part 2.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86342
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:46:53 EDT (#)
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Jack, where in anything I said did you gather the information that would lead you to conclude that I want any of those things?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:42:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:36:53 (#)
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And then remember that with all the global warming hysteria chicken-littles like you shriek about, we have less than two hundred years worth of RELIABLE data on the subject. And the Earth is about four and a half billion years old.
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i like how so many people keep pointing that out and every time we do he just goes no you're wrong without even attempting to explain how what we have is useful when compared to a missing record tally stretching back 6 billion years.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:41:21 EDT (#)
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ets pauses, scratches his chin, then looks up, "jack, i am going to have to go with the second option because it's the only one you mentioned women in... but i reserve the right to change my mind if the shit gets fucked up and i want something that i think is going to be better."
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:37:14 EDT (#)
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Almost 30 years old and has accomplished absolutely nothing in his life except some shitty Nirvana cover songs and plotting the assassinations of political world leaders.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:36:53 EDT (#)
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So let me get this straight...
You would be happier if
(1) The Japs or the Krauts won the war, in which case whining like yours and speaking out against the Emperor/Fuhrer would last about 6 minutes before you were reported by a neighbor and carted off to a concentration camp never to be seen again or trotted out into the street to have your head chopped off for all to see...
(2) The Russians won the war/cold war and our world consisted of lives lived in tight-liped silent drugery as were worked in factories making the Politburo rich and drowning our sorrows in cheap vodka while wondering why every available woman has moustache and a distinctly mannish frame...
(3) Everyone kicked back and let Fundmanetalist Islam sweep the globe, as is their expressed intent, offering a simple 'convert or be killed' option resulting in a world makes the most stern gathering of America right-wing Christians look like San Francisco's Gay Pride Parade.
Pick one.
And then remember that with all the global warming hysteria chicken-littles like you shriek about, we have less than two hundred years worth of RELIABLE data on the subject. And the Earth is about four and a half billion years old.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:35:49 EDT (#)
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hey i'm in college, i don't need a job!!!.... wait, you were talking to ets wern't you...
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:35:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:30:27 (#)
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http://emocracia.no.sapo.pt/Emocracy.html
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i threw up a little cuz of that.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:34:52 EDT (#)
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Aren't you embarassed for yourself that you don't have a job? Worse, you don't TRY to get a job? You just sit on your computer day and night and argue with internet strangers? So sad, really
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:34:38 EDT (#)
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i refuse to click on that link based on the simple fact that i have no idea what is behind it. but knowing that super-sellout i'm guessing it has something to do with goats and e's (still haven't figured out that inside joke), a party with lemons, or a girl that spends too much time in the tub... either way, i've seen them all and quite frankly, the shit's not for me. method, why don't you go back to rubbing your *worthless* dollar bills together and pray that no one else finds out they're worthless. ets isn't wearing clean underwear again, so there's no telling what he's liable to do -- he might even come to your house and stab you with a giant knife O.J. style!!! *gasp*
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:34:12 EDT (#)
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Caul,
EMO dollars would be scary, ETS would be the richest man on Uber.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/85523#1895403
An interesting look at the well thought out and logical path that leads one to believe that the dollar is worthless since it isn't linked to gold.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:32:51 EDT (#)
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http://www.nymethod.com/ets_live_video.html
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:32:22 EDT (#)
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fuck currencies! let's go back to early civilizations did!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:31:33 EDT (#)
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i just wanted to drop by and call you a wanker.
Wanker.
See ya!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:30:27 EDT (#)
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http://emocracia.no.sapo.pt/Emocracy.html
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:28:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:18:10 (#)
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you're right ets, my parents are a couple of bible thumpers, bent on convincing our government leaders to go to war in the middle east and just start dropping nasty shit to wake up the jesus guy so that we can have the final belt.
but really, did you look at the other review that i linked? and seriously, your responses about not trying to tote the gold-backed dollar as the next best thing since oral contraceptives is laughable, i think indo would agree that it's been one of your major points in the last few posts.
am i right indo? if i'm not, then i'll concede that i was wrong, but i'm pretty sure i've linked it twice and i'm pretty sure there are multiple other times.
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He is going to discount your argument since you mentioned me, but you are right.
He has said repeatedly that the dollar not being linked to gold has led to the "dollar hegemony" (a term coined by a guy with no economics background who has his own investment group, and hence a vested interest in people wanting to look elsewhere to use their savings) as he calls it. If this is such a bad thing it is pretty simple logicly to deduce he should be in favor of linking the dollar to something, but as with all things ETS there is no logic.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:27:37 EDT (#)
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guano?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:26:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:11:47 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:07:18 (#)
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I don't have to 'own up' to anything. The fact of the fucking matter is, I never said a word about wanting to go back to the gold standard. While I share Ron Paul's idea that currency needs to be based on something more concrete than paper and an imaginary relationship with other currencies, I don't know if gold's the answer. And I've said as much.
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If you aren't going to base it on something tangible (like gold) then it is based on "imaginary relationships".
It is one or the other. It either has a hard backing or doesn't. I am really confused on what you think the middle ground should be?
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Emo Dollars?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:25:58 EDT (#)
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sidenote: oral contraceptives, although effective, suck. go for a hysterectomy girls. why take the chance you have a kid like ets as a son?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:18:10 EDT (#)
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you're right ets, my parents are a couple of bible thumpers, bent on convincing our government leaders to go to war in the middle east and just start dropping nasty shit to wake up the jesus guy so that we can have the final belt.
but really, did you look at the other review that i linked? and seriously, your responses about not trying to tote the gold-backed dollar as the next best thing since oral contraceptives is laughable, i think indo would agree that it's been one of your major points in the last few posts.
am i right indo? if i'm not, then i'll concede that i was wrong, but i'm pretty sure i've linked it twice and i'm pretty sure there are multiple other times.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:11:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:07:18 (#)
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I don't have to 'own up' to anything. The fact of the fucking matter is, I never said a word about wanting to go back to the gold standard. While I share Ron Paul's idea that currency needs to be based on something more concrete than paper and an imaginary relationship with other currencies, I don't know if gold's the answer. And I've said as much.
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If you aren't going to base it on something tangible (like gold) then it is based on "imaginary relationships".
It is one or the other. It either has a hard backing or doesn't. I am really confused on what you think the middle ground should be?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 12:07:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:45:57 (#)
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glad to see you've come back... you still didn't own up to your comments on the dollar hegemony (you tried to skirt one by saying that it was a quote by another guy, but it was your entire review, and the sole purpose of using quotes is because somebody said something better than you could have) -- as far as your thoughts on religion, do you really believe the last part of that? that the majority of people are hoping for an end of days war?
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I don't have to 'own up' to anything. The fact of the fucking matter is, I never said a word about wanting to go back to the gold standard. While I share Ron Paul's idea that currency needs to be based on something more concrete than paper and an imaginary relationship with other currencies, I don't know if gold's the answer. And I've said as much.
This issue is over. I've already linked you to a review where I am openly questioning the gold standard. End of story. Now shut the fuck up about it. I'm sick of you childish tugging at my shirt. "HEY LOOK AT MEEEE!!!! HEYYY!!!!! HEYYYYY!!!!"
Do people wish for the end.... When they have children like you, I'm sure they do.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:58:17 EDT (#)
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didn't you realize last night that you were wasting your time (though that is the story of your life)???
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:54:59 EDT (#)
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US is allies with Israel because of whacko extremists beliefs that it will bring about the end of the world and we will be in God's Army?
You are an idiot.
Doesn't have anything to do with it being the only real democracy in the middle east? When it declared independence the US didn't support it.
"The two religions, Judaism and Christianity, are close cousins. The bible consists of mostly Jewish writings."
Judiasm has way more in common with Islam than with Christianity. Kosher and Halal-fucking carbon copies. Look at the rules between men and women in strict muslims and strict hasidics. Look at the people bobbing away and memorizing the TOrah at the wailing wall, and look at any mosque in the world.
Your inbred parents and a few whackos in the bible belt don't determine policy in the US. If they did abortion, rap, islam, etc would not be allowed. How fucked up is your head that you think right wing religious zealots can support a country on the basis of fucking biblical prophecy, but this same group can't stop prayer from being kept out of school?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:53:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:46:29 (#)
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Islam isn't really that far off either. All three religions are branches of the same tree, although a lot of the time it's very hard to see any similarities.
There are a lot of interwoven branches tyeing the three religions together. Judaism doesn't recognize Jesus, however Christianity sees him as the son of god. Islam recognizes him as a Prophet.
This is all really aside from the point though - I was just pointing out the fact that Israel isn't a major oil producing country.
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I know what you were saying. You were making the oil point to question what I was saying in that quote you left in the review. It was a valid question, and one that highlighted our allegiance with Israel as something particularly curious.
I just wanted to talk about that for a second. I'm over it now. Carry on.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:50:59 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85523#1894723 -- just in case you forgot...
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:47:13 EDT (#)
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it's not ironic it's perceptive.
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:46:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:37:16 (#)
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Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:33:26 (#)
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"It has been able to maintain this ability through strategic alliances with westernized European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and other oil producing nations to buy their oil in dollars"
Not to quibble but Israel is a very minor oil producing nation. CIA.gov lists them as 95th out of 213 ranked countries:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:37:16 (#)
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The two religions, Judaism and Christianity, are close cousins.
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Islam isn't really that far off either. All three religions are branches of the same tree, although a lot of the time it's very hard to see any similarities.
There are a lot of interwoven branches tyeing the three religions together. Judaism doesn't recognize Jesus, however Christianity sees him as the son of god. Islam recognizes him as a Prophet.
This is all really aside from the point though - I was just pointing out the fact that Israel isn't a major oil producing country.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:45:57 EDT (#)
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glad to see you've come back... you still didn't own up to your comments on the dollar hegemony (you tried to skirt one by saying that it was a quote by another guy, but it was your entire review, and the sole purpose of using quotes is because somebody said something better than you could have) -- as far as your thoughts on religion, do you really believe the last part of that? that the majority of people are hoping for an end of days war?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:45:27 EDT (#)
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Yea, and the irony is, you people think I'M crazy. You should listen to some of these people.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:44:03 EDT (#)
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kinda appropriate that the last line was "deep seeded madness that will never go away" dontcha think?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:41:57 EDT (#)
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oh dear lord, he's back
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:41:36 EDT (#)
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so it's only got like 36 characters. of course i'm being nice and including the first name too, which probably isn't really george cuz no greek ever has such an american sounding name. shit my name is technically greek and it's too damn long.
i want a monkey that humps legs on command, but that's quick enough to spring off towards your head and pop it in your eye instead of on your pants. the theory that all new yorkers have monkeys would explain the smell...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:37:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:33:26 (#)
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"It has been able to maintain this ability through strategic alliances with westernized European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and other oil producing nations to buy their oil in dollars"
Not to quibble but Israel is a very minor oil producing nation. CIA.gov lists them as 95th out of 213 ranked countries:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html
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Israel at first appears to be an exception, but they're not. As much as most Christians might have been leery of Jews prior to WWII, after all they DID kill Christ, afterward they were seen as 'God's chosen people' again in a way. Even though they didn't believe in the divinity of Christ, they are seen as having more hope than other religions to 'coming around'.
All those images of dead Jews in death chambers and mass graves and the countless books and movies on the subject have softened the Christian attitude toward Jews, and they are now seen as our allies against the far weirder and more malevolent Muslims.
Our allegiance to Israel has everything to do with Biblical dispensationism, the belief that the world will come to an end after the reforming of Israel.
There is a HUGE Christian...well, cult, more or less....who think the end is upon us. It all goes back to a passage in Daniel that said that when the fig tree (interpreted to mean Israel) blooms again, that generation will not pass away before the return of Christ.
That is another one of the alterior motives of the neo-con agenda. They want to be in Christ's army in the battle of Armageddon.
I'm not kidding in the least. I grew up around a lot of people who share this view. A big part of the reason for its popularity in the last 30 years or so is Hal Lindsay's book "The Late Great Planet Earth". Understanding Christian neo-cons isn't really possible without familiarizing yourself with Hal Lindsay's books.
The two religions, Judaism and Christianity, are close cousins. The bible consists of mostly Jewish writings. Our close allegiance with Israel is almost strictly religious. It's not about stabilizing the middle east. Israel would be far more stable if it was entirely in the hands of Palestinians. The middle east is better off with fewer people around that disagree with one another, but, again, that's not really what some people want anyway.
A less stable middle east not only gives us a reason to go in and meddle and have an excuse, it brings those who believe one step closer to their date with the risen Christ and the final battle of Armageddon.
Haven't any of you heard about what people in America thought during the 6 Day War? Many people thought the end was upon them right then. Those same people believe the world will end sometime very soon. This is why everything the United States does militarily in the middle east is taken with such a grain of salt. People in the bible belt just look the other way because they chauk it up to the end of time...and they actually REJOICE at that. They're glad to see war.
This is a deep seeded madness that will never go away.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:36:14 EDT (#)
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kiss my ass oniontooth, my names not THAT long
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:35:35 EDT (#)
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Dude, everyone's got monkeys in New York. Naturally, they don't come pre-packaged with a certain skill set. That's the beauty of it, you can mold and shape them to your needs. I could have gone with a monkey butler like Jewtoast, but I thought that a knife wielding monkey assassin was just so much cooler.
Of course, the auto-theft deterrent trunk monkey is pretty sweet too, but I drive a Honda so I didn't feel the need.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:34:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
so method you're greek but your name still fits in the search engine box? i figured if tiger said it didn't fit in her phone the character limit on google might be too small for it as well.
ps, if your monkey can shoot knives out of it's ass that'd be way cooler. then he could be a knife-wielding monkey while still retaining the classic monkey kung fu attack style of poo fling. hell that even sounds asian... poo fling.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:31:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
YOU HAVE A KNIFE-WIELDING MONKEY ASSASIN?!? GODDAMMIT NOW I WANT TO BE LIKE SO MUCH MORE!!!
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:30:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Love. That is the answer to everything. Not bum love mind you, well not with boys... with girls it's OK and not at all homo.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:26:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
If you google my name, I've got some incredible cover - There's a famous doctor with my name and he's ALL over google. I'm safe.
Although I really don't care, ETS is welcome to come to my house and try to knife fight me. I'll have Bob, my knife wielding monkey assassin take care of him
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:24:07 EDT (#)
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hahaha nice method. i like the fact if you google my name i don't exist. if you search under anything else only two entries come up and they're both normal/legal.
i'm a secret.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 11:11:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
It's an ironic shame, he relies on google for so much information, yet the first thing that comes up when you type his name into google is:
Ubersite - I, Brad Linzy, Suck Cock for Pennies
Oh, what a backstabber that search engine is
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:54:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:33:57 (#)
Ranking: 2
if that's the case, can we expect something about the eminem and kim divorce? they were married for three months! THREE FUCKING MONTHS OH MY GOD WHAT IS THIS COUNTRY COMING TO????????
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Heh.. they are getting divorced AGAIN? Didn't see that one coming :D
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:33:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
if that's the case, can we expect something about the eminem and kim divorce? they were married for three months! THREE FUCKING MONTHS OH MY GOD WHAT IS THIS COUNTRY COMING TO????????
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:33:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
"It has been able to maintain this ability through strategic alliances with westernized European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and other oil producing nations to buy their oil in dollars"
Not to quibble but Israel is a very minor oil producing nation. CIA.gov lists them as 95th out of 213 ranked countries:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:32:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:28:32 (#)
Ranking: 2
me either, i hope he includes something about kite flying as a renewable energy source because of the chance it has of getting struck by lightening... that'd make my day...
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I am sure it will be 90% about american global policy becaus ehe just heard some guy on NPR talking about it last night, and we know that when he hears a new idea it is the 100% most important thing in the world.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:28:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
me either, i hope he includes something about kite flying as a renewable energy source because of the chance it has of getting struck by lightening... that'd make my day...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:25:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I for one can't wait for part duce of this guide to world wide enlightenment.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 10:09:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
owned.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-06 09:52:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:55:29 (#)
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Submitted by ih8u2man (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:53:42 (#)
Ranking: 2
It's interesting that these people question your sanity.
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You must realize that genius is almost always mistaken for insanity. :P
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no mostly the world recognizes that genius comes with insanity. everyone thought einstein was nuts but no one doubted his brilliance. we mostly just think you're fucking nuts and know you're an idiot.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 09:39:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
i only click on the posts that start with 'tinyurl' or if i'm really bored i'll click on a random one just to what kind of crazy shit is out there. i guess those are both kind of related, so it probably shouldn't surprise me. what does surprise me is your statement about me, no way is that not going to go to my head. look out, there's a good chance i'm going to make advances towards a female uber user at some point today that's going to make everything really awkward, all because i now think i'm tight.
this must be how marv albert felt right before his incident. fuck.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-06 09:35:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
wardy is fast becoming my favourite person on this site, after me. still, he's got a long way to go before he passes nath.
i can honestly say i have NEVER clicked on a single link ets has posted. they are entirely irrelevant.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-06 09:04:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
WTF?!? I'm not reading all that. It's only the fucking planet man. When we've arsed up this one we'll get a shiney new one. I dreamt that.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:33:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
that a fact, method? was that a direct translation or did you change around the english language so that you could create a conjunction just for the sake of humor? if this was the case, you'd quickly realize that 'shitheel' would be pronounced with the 'th' sound, making it completly fallacious in nature and for your intended purpose.
i realize you were trying to sound cute and cutting edge with your quick little comment, beacause you know that i'm not a greek so i probably don't speak the language very well. but it doesn't take a brain scientist or ets to see through your craftiness and pin you for the phony you are.
you hear that? you're a phony! A BIG PHONY!!!
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:20:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You're a bit nuts aren't ya big fella?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:19:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
i gotta go to work, I'll belittle you later, wardy
Did you know that Wardy in Greek means "shitheel"?
Yeah
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:17:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
yeah, i figured that, but you're fucking this up by making me get serious for a second, do you have any idea how many hours i've been on this site for? no? well let's just say adderall apparently translates into "having a sweet fucking time doing whatever the fuck is in front of you, even if it is non-consenting and your guitar." you can imagine how my night was, right? no? well fuck off, sellout.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:15:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I don't have one, I just think that Apollo looks alot like a fat, startled guinea pig, as Orgasmatron pointed out
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:14:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
hahaha
"up there in your tower"
"fucking ratist"
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:14:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
that's right... we tell it how it is, greek boy. at least we still keep it real, rumor has it you've sold out. i saw recently that you bought a guinnea pig, is this true? seriously man, own up to your manhood and at least get a floppy-eared bunny rabbit or a sweet gecko... not to mention, not once did you acknowledge one of my sweet ass names that i offered up for you to use.
i guess you've just gotten too big for the little guys on uber these days, huh? if i don't have a set of tits or a sweet ride, i'm pretty much useless to you, right? method = metallica? the similarities are striking minus a few things...
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:13:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
hahaha you people are crazy
funny as all fuck, but crazy, I love it
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:07:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 07:57:59 (#)
Ranking: -2
who the fuck cares about ratings, especially from this delusional fucking whackjob?
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That is easy for you to say Method, up there in your fucking tower!
WE CAN'T ALL LIVES ON THE BACKS OF OUR ALTERS! SOME OF US ARE OUT THERE EVERYDAY, MIXING IT UP, JUMPING ON BANDWAGONS, ENTERING PHOTOSHOP COMPITSIONS, JUST BARELY GETTING ENOUGH +1'S TO LIVE.
SO DON'T COME DOWN HERE, DON'T COME DOWN HERE TO WHERE I MAKE MY FUCKING LIVING AND TELL ME RATINGS DON'T MATTER, WHEN YOUR FAMILY IS HUNGRY AND YOUR WIFE IS SICK RATINGS ARE THE ONLY THING THAT MATTER!!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 08:02:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
ratings are my life, method. fuck man, why can't you understand that people are different from you? fucking ratist...
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-06 07:57:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
who the fuck cares about ratings, especially from this delusional fucking whackjob?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 07:55:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86315#1919186 <---------- indo... you've missed a lot of fun stuff, but he disappeared once he got backed into a corner, i think... read his stuff about the guy that he claims was a top aide to reagan, but after a bit of digging looks like nothing more than a peon with a title...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 07:48:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:18:41 (#)
Ranking: 2
careful mr. jones, he's -2ing posts of people for disagreeing with him. don't say i didn't warn you!
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I was wondering why you were giving him the +2's.
I hope they are a joke about how afraid you are of his terrible rain of -2's, not because you are afraid of his pathetic retalitory rain of -2's.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 07:46:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
man, i didn't even click on it... i guess that's what i get, right? i stopped clicking on his links about a week ago after i hit my third blog in a row... or was it conspiracy site? fuck, i can't remember... you missed it indo, he went back and -2ed more of my posts, this time with another alter, a 'jsultan'... this kid rocks...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-06 07:31:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:04:50 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 21:17:54 (#)
Ranking: 0
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0104/011304ts1.htm
George Bush is allowing the IRS to OUTSOURCE PRIVATE TAX COLLECTING AGENCIES to collect taxpayers' payments at 25 CENTS PER DOLLAR COMMISSION!!!
This is opposed to the 5 cents per dollar it would cost to get government IRS employees to do it.
That's 20% of our taxes now about to be WASTED...down the fucking bottomless drain that is the Bush administration.
Unbelievable.
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If thats true....hes just giving quarter of your taxes away...that sucks.
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It isn't true.
ETS once again providing half truths, and mispresenting facts for his own agenda.
Looking at ETS's link the plan calls for using, "private firms to support collection efforts in "specific, limited ways". The use of collection agencies would help garner an added $1.5 billion over 10 years, Treasury officials estimated.
"Many taxpayers are aware of their outstanding tax liabilities but have failed to pay them, and the IRS cannot continuously pursue each taxpayer with an outstanding liability," the Treasury statement said. "The proposal would enable government to reach these taxpayers to obtain payment while allowing the IRS to focus its own enforcement resources on more complex cases and issues.""
It wouldn't be all of the IRS work being handed over to outside firms.
I can't see anywhere in the article that says it costs the IRS 5 cents on the dollar, and the firms would collect 25 cents on the dollar. I find it hard to believe that the IRS is moire effecient than some corporation, I would enjoy somebody showing me a case anywhere of an entity like the IRS being run more effeciently by the Govt than by a company.
Oh yeah, the date on this article was Jan 13, 2004. I don't even know if this was put into effect, but it is typical of ETS to choose a source that supports him rather than an up to date factual one.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2006-04-06 05:43:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I don't give a shit.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 04:47:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
oh come on! what happened to ets?!!?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:53:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
mr. jones, that's probably the most intelligent review in the history of ever. nice work. as far as my education goes, well i'm a writing-intensive english major that loves to argue, so the ets posts generally serve that need pretty well. that, and ets never admits to the possibility that what i'm saying is right, or moreover that my explanations make sense... all of this just adds up to a lot of entertainment for me while i sit around and do nothing...
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:49:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:35:35 (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:30:48 (#)
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for mine, i see the single biggest problem facing the world today is our spiralling population and the growing upward mobility of the third world. no longer is everyone else out there content to 'ooh' and 'ahh' at the sanitary splendour and technological wizardry of western (read: developed) society and be content with scrabbling out an tiny existence on some dry patch of dirt, they too now want plasma screens and mobile telephones.
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funny, Howard Stern said much the same thing yesterday on his show.
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Well, that settles it for me.
I certainly don't need any more information than that.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:48:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Economics is one of those topics that everyone has an opinion on, regardless of the actual knowledge they have. Similar to most hot bed topics really. (evolution, big bang, chaos theory, stem cells, politics in general, global warming, most things ETS writes about, etc) So really, you get used to people trying to explain things they really don't understand terribly well to you.
It doesn't help, either, that there are many different economic philosophies out there - much of it is highly debateable, and for a price you can get an economist to write a paper on, or agree with, nearly anything.
The upside is that there is still room for original ideas and solving new(and old) problems. The downside is everyone thinks they have the answers.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:35:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:30:48 (#)
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for mine, i see the single biggest problem facing the world today is our spiralling population and the growing upward mobility of the third world. no longer is everyone else out there content to 'ooh' and 'ahh' at the sanitary splendour and technological wizardry of western (read: developed) society and be content with scrabbling out an tiny existence on some dry patch of dirt, they too now want plasma screens and mobile telephones.
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funny, Howard Stern said much the same thing yesterday on his show.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:31:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
sweet jesus, well then i bet we sound like a bunch of retards to you, huh? sorry about that..
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:30:48 EDT (#)
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for mine, i see the single biggest problem facing the world today is our spiralling population and the growing upward mobility of the third world. no longer is everyone else out there content to 'ooh' and 'ahh' at the sanitary splendour and technological wizardry of western (read: developed) society and be content with scrabbling out an tiny existence on some dry patch of dirt, they too now want plasma screens and mobile telephones.
this ramping up in consumption on the behalf of the vast majority of the worlds population is what is going to fuck us more than anything. worrying about fossil fuels is 80's. when the time comes, corporations will change our feedbag and continue to make their profits, they just have to get the most out of the infrastructure they put in place before they do so.
there has to be a third world for the othe two to stand on the shoulders of to keep their faces out of the muck.
we need to bomb these uppity cunts back to where they belong and remind them of their station: that of spending 15 hours a day making me a cheap and easily disposable lifestyle that they can only dream of.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:30:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I just realized that ETS has never retaliated on me before. I don't know how to feel about that.
Is it an honor? Does he value my dissenting arguments?
An insult? Am I not worth acknowledging?
Simple respect, because I read his posts even if I don't tend to agree?
hmm...
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:24:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
Yea Wardy, this is the end of my junior year. Math/Economics double major. Next year I'm studying abroad in Sweden finishing up my 2 undergraduate degrees, then off to grad school in Econ.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:21:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
mr. jones, do you study economics at all?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:18:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
careful mr. jones, he's -2ing posts of people for disagreeing with him. don't say i didn't warn you!
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:16:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
I love using numbers without any context. Would you like to know the real reason the world isn't terribly concerned about a 760B deficit?
12,410,000,000,000
That's why ETS. 760B is just a drop in the fucking bucket. You're right, if some third world country ran that budget they would be interfered with, but last time I checked third world countries don't have GDP's running 12.4T either.
So, to recap 760B is only around 6% of our GDP. A 6% deficit is actually fairly insignificant. Keep throwing out stuff without context though...it really makes your arguments credible.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:02:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
i did not know that... damn, i've never done a hate post before, i should...
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 03:01:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
you know my first hate post was about ETS?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:55:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
be careful rad... he's going around and -2ing old posts again... i think he's up to about fifteen on me (not including his alters)... so be nice...
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:53:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:40:19 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:34:32 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:07:59 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:03:14 (#)
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too bad ETS has no idea how to tell the difference between good information and bad information.
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There is no 'bad' information. There is only 'not enough' information. All information still has to be filtered through the mind.
Trouble is, none of you people seem to have ANY information. You have nothing to add to a debate unless it's completely subverting the point. Then, none of you even understand that that's what you've done when you do it. You stand around hi-fiving each other and slapping each other's asses like a bunch of testosterone-injected, brain-dead frat-boys and you are completely clueless when you've just lost a debate lock, stock, and barrel.
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two points
1. the 'no bad information, not enough information' thing is horseshit. You, as a nobel prize winning scientist should know that information that is blatently false is bad. sure, some grey areas exist, but in relation to your 'google search' method of obtaining information, how can you be sure of the validity of any of it? Especially when any of it could have been written by somebody like you?
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How can you be sure of the validity of ANYTHING you read of see on tv? How?
That's right, you CAN'T.
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exactly.
genius.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:47:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:40:19 (#)
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How can you be sure of the validity of ANYTHING you read of see on tv? How?
That's right, you CAN'T.
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well, if that's the case then i'm really fucked because that would mean i can't be sure of the validity of anything outside of my line of sight. well fuck shit ass, that means everything out of my line of sight could *gasp* be a lie! HOLY SHIT WHAT HAVE I BEEN DOING MY WHOLE LIFE TRUSTING EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE EVER!!!! FUCK!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:45:59 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/72071#1919263 <----- thanks for this. is this the maturity level i can expect for the rest of the discussion? yes? sweet...
getting back to what you've said, i didn't have to say that much because your argument did nothing to refute what i had said. all you did was dig up some guy that said bush isn't using reaganomics. i said earlier i wasn't sure if you could call it reaganomics, but that in essence that's what it is -- which for the most part the same idea is at work, just through different avenues. the fact that you're championing reagan, though, is completely against your cause, if you knew the first fucking thing about anything.
as far as writing a manifesto, last i checked a manifesto was more than three paragraphs with little (if any) solid information.
yeah, hooked on phonics is a bitch, but i'm doing the best i can, back off.
clinton did have a surplus, you're right. but for how long? and what were the causes for it and what were the causes for its decline? be warned that i already know what you're going to say, but i want to hear you say it just so that i can refute it... that's the joy i get out of being here.
i can't remember what else you said, but i think that was everything... i'll go back and check to make sure i didn't leave anything out though, just for you. *kisses*
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:40:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:34:32 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:07:59 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:03:14 (#)
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too bad ETS has no idea how to tell the difference between good information and bad information.
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There is no 'bad' information. There is only 'not enough' information. All information still has to be filtered through the mind.
Trouble is, none of you people seem to have ANY information. You have nothing to add to a debate unless it's completely subverting the point. Then, none of you even understand that that's what you've done when you do it. You stand around hi-fiving each other and slapping each other's asses like a bunch of testosterone-injected, brain-dead frat-boys and you are completely clueless when you've just lost a debate lock, stock, and barrel.
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two points
1. the 'no bad information, not enough information' thing is horseshit. You, as a nobel prize winning scientist should know that information that is blatently false is bad. sure, some grey areas exist, but in relation to your 'google search' method of obtaining information, how can you be sure of the validity of any of it? Especially when any of it could have been written by somebody like you?
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How can you be sure of the validity of ANYTHING you read of see on tv? How?
That's right, you CAN'T.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:38:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:35:32 (#)
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oh, and reagan also had massive deficits, that's why bush raised taxes. i was only about eight years old when he did that, but i remember it pretty well. seriously man, you really have very little grasp on the situation, and i think it's safe to say everyone here can see it quite clearly, except for you... which is why you get on most heated so easily, because we love watching people self-destruct...
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Let me get this straight, I just get finished writing a fucking manifesto on this, and you write one sentence and thing I don't know what I'm talking about?
The only president in the past 50 years to be in surplus was Clinton. If you're such a fucking proponent of Reaganomics, and you ADMIT that Bush had to raise taxes because of the excesses it produced, who's the fucking moron with no grasp on the situation here????
It ain't fucking me, Tyler boy.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:35:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:25:06 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85523#1892875 -- that took me two seconds using the CTRL+F feature. know about that one? keep using google though, it's doing you a lot of good...
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That's called a QUOTE you fucking dumbass. *I* didn't say SHIT about gold right there.
Keep hitting the Hooked on Phonics, even though it's doing you no good whatsoever.
It'll give you something to do besides get into arguments where you're clearly out of your league.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:35:32 EDT (#)
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oh, and reagan also had massive deficits, that's why bush raised taxes. i was only about eight years old when he did that, but i remember it pretty well. seriously man, you really have very little grasp on the situation, and i think it's safe to say everyone here can see it quite clearly, except for you... which is why you get on most heated so easily, because we love watching people self-destruct...
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:34:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:07:59 (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:03:14 (#)
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too bad ETS has no idea how to tell the difference between good information and bad information.
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There is no 'bad' information. There is only 'not enough' information. All information still has to be filtered through the mind.
Trouble is, none of you people seem to have ANY information. You have nothing to add to a debate unless it's completely subverting the point. Then, none of you even understand that that's what you've done when you do it. You stand around hi-fiving each other and slapping each other's asses like a bunch of testosterone-injected, brain-dead frat-boys and you are completely clueless when you've just lost a debate lock, stock, and barrel.
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two points
1. the 'no bad information, not enough information' thing is horseshit. You, as a nobel prize winning scientist should know that information that is blatently false is bad. sure, some grey areas exist, but in relation to your 'google search' method of obtaining information, how can you be sure of the validity of any of it? Especially when any of it could have been written by somebody like you?
2. you are as guilty of that second thing as much as anyone else.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:33:12 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85523#1894723 -- what is this? an email to cnn about dollar hegemony? hmmm...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:27:09 EDT (#)
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that guy wasn't reagan's economic advisor, per se... he was a peon at best, which is why he was considered pretty expendable at any time, and as far as i can tell, did his best work under the table in the oval office during the reagan years...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:25:06 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85523#1892875 -- that took me two seconds using the CTRL+F feature. know about that one? keep using google though, it's doing you a lot of good...
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:23:40 EDT (#)
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you think you know. it's worlds apart. grow the fuck up.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:23:15 EDT (#)
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"No, the problem is, everyone reads the tongue-in-cheek title of the post and don't read nor care about the actual content. Then they rate it again and again and again because they think they're getting to my nerves or something just because I threaten them or call them the morons every now and then."
i was talking about the gold thing, Einstein. which just reinforces my point.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:19:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:11:12 (#)
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it's not that we don't know, kid. it's that we don't fucking care. maybe someday you'll understand why -and no, it's not the reason you think.
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No, I know why. I've been there. Don't want to go back either.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:16:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:05:11 (#)
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or the fact that if people misinterpret what you are saying, and you consider yourself some sort of 'voice of reason' amidst the turbulent chaos of destructive whirlwinds plaguing humanity, the problem is probably that you're not being a very efficient communicator.
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No, the problem is, everyone reads the tongue-in-cheek title of the post and don't read nor care about the actual content. Then they rate it again and again and again because they think they're getting to my nerves or something just because I threaten them or call them the morons every now and then.
Funny thing is. I don't even have to fake anything. I believe in what I say, and I think for the most part I say it rather well, but these morons are simply learning impaired.
I was very clear about what I wanted to say in this post, as I have been in most (not all) but most of my posts, and there's at least one more part to this one I haven't even posted yet and you're already jumping to conclusions and making judgements about how impossible 'saving the world' is.
Just passed 300,000 hits by the way. I'll be on MVA by next week.
Cheers.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:11:12 EDT (#)
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it's not that we don't know, kid. it's that we don't fucking care. maybe someday you'll understand why -and no, it's not the reason you think.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:07:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:03:14 (#)
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too bad ETS has no idea how to tell the difference between good information and bad information.
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There is no 'bad' information. There is only 'not enough' information. All information still has to be filtered through the mind.
Trouble is, none of you people seem to have ANY information. You have nothing to add to a debate unless it's completely subverting the point. Then, none of you even understand that that's what you've done when you do it. You stand around hi-fiving each other and slapping each other's asses like a bunch of testosterone-injected, brain-dead frat-boys and you are completely clueless when you've just lost a debate lock, stock, and barrel.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:05:11 EDT (#)
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or the fact that if people misinterpret what you are saying, and you consider yourself some sort of 'voice of reason' amidst the turbulent chaos of destructive whirlwinds plaguing humanity, the problem is probably that you're not being a very efficient communicator.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:04:24 EDT (#)
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Here you go TYLERRRR:
http://ubersite.com/m/84205#1845159
"""Teeph: Thanks for keeping an open mind. You've really hit on something else there too... How valuable is GOLD when we really think about it? Hell, what is 'value' anyway, if not a direct means to survive? It's really a deep question, and one that will always be relevant, but no more so than this moment in history. If we just look at our national debt here in the US, $8.2 TRILLION and growing, it's easy to see that the only way we could possibly ever pay that back is by a lot of hard work...
...or an all-out, debt-erasing war."""
I addressed it here also: http://ubersite.com/m/84205#1845512
...and here: http://ubersite.com/m/84205#1845164
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 02:03:14 EDT (#)
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too bad ETS has no idea how to tell the difference between good information and bad information.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:57:35 EDT (#)
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Go on, Wardy. Google it. Use the ubersite search engine. Let me help you since you obviously don't know how to use a fucking search engine, you moron...
Try: electrictoothsyndrome "gold standard" dollar
or electrictoothsyndrome "gold-backed" dollar
or electrictoothsyndrome "gold backing" dollar
You get the idea.
The more you use search engines the easier it is to find that ever-elusive...*GASP*....'in-for-ma-tion'.
I know how foreign this idea must feel to someone of your mental capacity, but I promise you practice makes perfect.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:52:01 EDT (#)
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I can't wait until the next civil war.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:51:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:49:58 (#)
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-2 because you claim you've never stated that you think we should go back to having a gold backed dollar... i'm not going to go back and look for it, but i don't make up shit. it's there. give me a second on the rest of your horseshit...
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Never said it.
By the way.... I left you more presents for being a lazy bitch.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:50:35 EDT (#)
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oh, and i don't use google to find research, most of the shit that comes up is just that, shit...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:49:58 EDT (#)
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-2 because you claim you've never stated that you think we should go back to having a gold backed dollar... i'm not going to go back and look for it, but i don't make up shit. it's there. give me a second on the rest of your horseshit...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:45:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:03:03 (#)
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you're right ets, i am that kid.
that economic theory is what most people would call reaganomics, although i'm not an economist so i don't know if there's another name for it. stop talking like you have any idea what a deficit is. yeah, we have one. is it going anywhere? yeah, eventually. but you fail to see the simple fact of the matter: that our world is changing drastically and american's are finding a lot of different ways to stimulate the economy, many of which seem to be working.
the fact that you don't get this is your insistance on the gold backed dollar, and how we're fucked because we no longer back it with gold like we once did. this leads me to believe that you seriously haven't the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about, and really just lets me sit back and enjoy what you'll come up with next.
oh yeah, and that link is horseshit. i could have guessed those numbers myself, but they really don't say shit...
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Listen to me and listen to me closely...
I am not necessarily opposed to cutting taxes for the people who need it, but when you cut taxes for the richest brackets in America it does NOT create jobs, it does NOT augment the economic equality of the country in any way, nor does it create more economic opportunities for the people who need it most.
Even REAGAN'S OWN ECONOMIC ADVISOR has condemned the current administration's runaway annual budget defict: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5259926
If you believe in Reaganomics, as you say you do, you're championing the wrong people, and you clearly have absolutely NO understanding what's going on in your own fucking country right now, let alone what's going on in the world.
I never said I was necessarily advocating a return to the gold standard either. At no point have I ever said anything of the sort. Ron Paul, to whom I have linked on several occasions, champions the idea, but all I'm saying is, and the core of his speeches I've liked so much, deal with the RESPONSIBILITY aspect of government spending vs. government revenue.
Whether it's laisse faire, reaganomics, Keynesian, whatever... I don't care what it is, at the core, they ALL champion responsibility and surplus over debt! This administration and congress is NOT DOING THAT!
Just look at this, dude! This is insanity! If nothing else, surely we can agree on that.
http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs/deficit_1980-2015.gif
http://www.housedemocrats.gov/30Something/posters/foreigndebt.pdf
One more thing. What you do not understand is that the massive budget deficits are doing NOTHING positive for the economy in the long term.
You don't believe me? Do this... Google "Bush economy". Here, I'll even link you so you don't have to work too hard for your information: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=bush+economy&btnG=Search
You will be hard pressed to find ANYTHING positive. If it was truely the way forward, you wouldn't have economists from every possible political background condemning it.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:36:45 EDT (#)
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either that or he makes death threats. must've been heroin today
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:36:02 EDT (#)
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ets always disappears when he gets backed into a corner... what a shame...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:34:49 EDT (#)
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did everyone just find ytmnd today?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:30:19 EDT (#)
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http://hitlerareemo.ytmnd.com/
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:25:54 EDT (#)
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thanks for replying to that one, isatros... i honestly question sometimes if these people are serious...
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:22:22 EDT (#)
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Canucks, the reason we don't completely conquer other countries is because we don't need to. we have economic imperialism; all the benefits, none of the hassle. get with the times, man.
Submitted by CanucksFan (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:19:32 EDT (#)
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
I'm still convinced that the only reason the US doesn't start completely taking over countries and expanding their 'empire' is because they would have to give them the same benefits as Americans.
Everyone knows its much more profitable to just steal from the little guys anyways!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:19:00 EDT (#)
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hehe... i can't wait to see what ets is going to reply with next!! ten bucks says he comes out as the next gayest person ever on ubersite... ten to one odds? anyone?
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:10:38 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:09:55 (#)
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no, you're thinking of christopher reeves, caul. no, helen keller was this really oppressed black slave girl in the 1940s South that overcame all diversity and ended up becoming president of her church or something..."
HAHA
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:10:13 EDT (#)
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Amber Haggerman
Terri Schiavo
Helen Keller
ETS
these are a few of my favorite things
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:09:55 EDT (#)
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no, you're thinking of christopher reeves, caul. no, helen keller was this really oppressed black slave girl in the 1940s South that overcame all diversity and ended up becoming president of her church or something...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:07:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:04:11 (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:57:17 (#)
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You people fucking sicken me. You literally sicken me. I just realized I'm wasting my time on you."
holy shit dude, you're fucking slower to learn than Helen Keller
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Who's taht? Someone like Terri Schiavo?
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:04:11 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:57:17 (#)
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You people fucking sicken me. You literally sicken me. I just realized I'm wasting my time on you."
holy shit dude, you're fucking slower to learn than Helen Keller
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 01:03:03 EDT (#)
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you're right ets, i am that kid.
that economic theory is what most people would call reaganomics, although i'm not an economist so i don't know if there's another name for it. stop talking like you have any idea what a deficit is. yeah, we have one. is it going anywhere? yeah, eventually. but you fail to see the simple fact of the matter: that our world is changing drastically and american's are finding a lot of different ways to stimulate the economy, many of which seem to be working.
the fact that you don't get this is your insistance on the gold backed dollar, and how we're fucked because we no longer back it with gold like we once did. this leads me to believe that you seriously haven't the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about, and really just lets me sit back and enjoy what you'll come up with next.
oh yeah, and that link is horseshit. i could have guessed those numbers myself, but they really don't say shit...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:58:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:57:17 (#)
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You people fucking sicken me. You literally sicken me. I just realized I'm wasting my time on you.
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You JUST realized? Not very quick, are you?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:57:17 EDT (#)
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You people fucking sicken me. You literally sicken me. I just realized I'm wasting my time on you.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:57:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:54:44 (#)
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"I seem to remember a certain Ice Age that our half-retarded ancestors survived. While I doubt 6 billions + could surive huge climate changes, I doubt every single individual on Earth will rapidly heat up like microwaved pasta. Even the movie Day After Tomorrow was not as dramatic as you are.
Many will survive and if anything, it will restore balance. I'm pretty sure you won't though. You'll sit in a corner in fetal position and cry yourself to death. Fuck, it hasn't happened yet and you're one step away from complete insanity."
Caulaincourt, don't you see? ETS isn't real. it's a conspiracy. he's a digitized computer program implanted here by the Illuminati, designed to scream about world tribulations so loudly and arrogantly that we dismiss his views automatically. that way "They" will strike us when are at out weakest, when we are most confident in our level of safety!!!
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I think your theory is still too plausible for ETS. You should try being mentally ill and ingest large amounts of drugs before you start playing around with TEH TRUTH!
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:54:44 EDT (#)
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"I seem to remember a certain Ice Age that our half-retarded ancestors survived. While I doubt 6 billions + could surive huge climate changes, I doubt every single individual on Earth will rapidly heat up like microwaved pasta. Even the movie Day After Tomorrow was not as dramatic as you are.
Many will survive and if anything, it will restore balance. I'm pretty sure you won't though. You'll sit in a corner in fetal position and cry yourself to death. Fuck, it hasn't happened yet and you're one step away from complete insanity."
Caulaincourt, don't you see? ETS isn't real. it's a conspiracy. he's a digitized computer program implanted here by the Illuminati, designed to scream about world tribulations so loudly and arrogantly that we dismiss his views automatically. that way "They" will strike us when are at out weakest, when we are most confident in our level of safety!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:53:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:43:03 (#)
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hahaha... i've started giving him +2's based soley on the fact that a -2 doesn't faze him anymore (other than him -2ing a bunch of my posts), and the entertainment this provides me in itself is worth a lot more than all the +2's i've handed out over the years here...
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Nobody even asked you about that, yet you felt the need to point it out?
That reminds me of a kid who goes "HEY....LOOK AT THIS...HEY HEY....WATCH THIS....LOOK AT THIS....LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!"
Jesus
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:52:42 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 21:45:34 (#)
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ETS IS FINALLY GIVEN THE RECOGNITION HE DESERVES! WATCH HIS LIVE VIDEO FROM CBS NIGHTLINE PREACHING THE TRUTH AND WISDOM BEHIND HIS WORDS!!!
http://www.nymethod.com/ets_live_video.html"
bahahahahahahahahahahahaa oh method
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:51:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:30:07 (#)
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clearly you don't understand this theory of economics in its truest form. the government is looking for ways to keep the economy moving, and if this means giving non-governmental employees a bunch of work, that's part of the idea. it isn't like the irs isn't going to be working during this time either, it's a matter of getting AS MANY people working as possible. how can you argue with that? people with jobs HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE...
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Keeping the economy moving???? Is THAT what a $700 billion budget deficit is! OHHHHHHH! Now THAT clears up everything.
Tell me Wardy, what's this theory of economics called by chance?
I'll tell you how to keep the fucking economy moving...stop letting our high wage jobs go overseas. That's how. Stop driving up the debt and expecting Americans to keep buying products on credit because they're working for peanuts and cannot survive on what is being paid to them in wages.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:48:30 EDT (#)
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no way that you're a middle class citizen... fifty bucks says you eat canned goods by necessity, not by choice...
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:46:27 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:40:24 (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:26:37 (#)
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Julie - I was raised protestant, they believe in the trinity. Father, Son, Holy spirit. All of which are different forms of the same God. When God created everything he was the Father, when he came down as Jesus to save us, he was the son. And when he talked to Moses, etc. he was the holy spirit. Make sense? didn't think so.
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If you look at it that way, it sounds like God has Multiple Personality Disorder. How can anyone possibly worship a god with MPD?"
pretty much the entire Indian subcontinent does
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:45:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:28:25 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:22:05 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:05:33 (#)
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but seriously, you don't actually *think* (and i use that verb loosely) that all of that money goes to the corporations to invest overseas, right?
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Shut the fuck up Wardy. I didn't say ALL the money. But the fucking POINT is, it doesn't have to be all the money. If just 1 red CENT goes overseas instead of to the coffers of the United States to help pay for what it is SUPPOSED to pay for - social programs, highways, national defense, etc. - we're on the losing end.
1 red cent.
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WOHOO! GO TOTAL ISOLATIONISM! THAT WOULD WORK OUT WELL IN TODAY'S WORLD! I BET THAT THERE AREN'T ANY STATE-SPONSORED FOREIGN INVESTORS IN THE U.S. EITHER, RIGHT?
ETS, LEAD THE WAY!
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Caul, that might make sense, but, again....GUESS WHAT! Bush cut taxes to the wealthiest Americans, who make up a large percentage of those who invest overseas, so we're getting even LESS back as middle class citizens.
Look at this: http://www.housedemocrats.gov/30Something/posters/What%20else%20with%20Tax%20Cuts%20Iraq%20%5BRead-Only%5D.pdf
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:43:03 EDT (#)
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hahaha... i've started giving him +2's based soley on the fact that a -2 doesn't faze him anymore (other than him -2ing a bunch of my posts), and the entertainment this provides me in itself is worth a lot more than all the +2's i've handed out over the years here...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:34:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:28:01 (#)
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I am dead serious. Refute what I said below, I fuckin' DARE you.
You can't.
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^Clearly ETS arguments are not about ego...right?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:32:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:27:17 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:14:50 (#)
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What I'm trying to say here is...WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIVER, YOU DUMBSHIT?
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What part of "wait till the next post" don't you understand?
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Oh man, another ETS solution without any detail...this will be hilarious.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:31:25 EDT (#)
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and what caul just said... i really didn't think i'd have to respond to that, which is why i made the joke about you being ignorant... apparently it wasn't a joke...?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:30:07 EDT (#)
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getting back to your questions... i find it interesting that the same government that you have an extensive distrust for you want to handle our tax money. shouldn't you be worried that the bush administration has them on lock and that they'll fib a little on all those tax returns and turn a pretty penny to the president and his goon squad?
no? interesting...
now as far as the overpriced (as you call it) tax collection by private companies, like i said, clearly you don't understand this theory of economics in its truest form. the government is looking for ways to keep the economy moving, and if this means giving non-governmental employees a bunch of work, that's part of the idea. it isn't like the irs isn't going to be working during this time either, it's a matter of getting AS MANY people working as possible. how can you argue with that? people with jobs HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:28:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:22:05 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:05:33 (#)
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but seriously, you don't actually *think* (and i use that verb loosely) that all of that money goes to the corporations to invest overseas, right?
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Shut the fuck up Wardy. I didn't say ALL the money. But the fucking POINT is, it doesn't have to be all the money. If just 1 red CENT goes overseas instead of to the coffers of the United States to help pay for what it is SUPPOSED to pay for - social programs, highways, national defense, etc. - we're on the losing end.
1 red cent.
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WOHOO! GO TOTAL ISOLATIONISM! THAT WOULD WORK OUT WELL IN TODAY'S WORLD! I BET THAT THERE AREN'T ANY STATE-SPONSORED FOREIGN INVESTORS IN THE U.S. EITHER, RIGHT?
ETS, LEAD THE WAY!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:28:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:25:40 (#)
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holy shit, you really are ignorant... is this all a game to you? are you just being like this on purpose to get hits and heat? are you laughing haughtily as you type every review? i am beginning to think this, because there is no way you're... fuck man... seriously??
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I am dead serious. Refute what I said below, I fuckin' DARE you.
You can't.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:27:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:14:50 (#)
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What I'm trying to say here is...WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIVER, YOU DUMBSHIT?
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What part of "wait till the next post" don't you understand?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:25:40 EDT (#)
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holy shit, you really are ignorant... is this all a game to you? are you just being like this on purpose to get hits and heat? are you laughing haughtily as you type every review? i am beginning to think this, because there is no way you're... fuck man... seriously??
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:24:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 23:27:22 (#)
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Unchecked, it WILL kill us all. It's not a question of 'if'.
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I seem to remember a certain Ice Age that our half-retarded ancestors survived. While I doubt 6 billions + could surive huge climate changes, I doubt every single individual on Earth will rapidly heat up like microwaved pasta. Even the movie Day After Tomorrow was not as dramatic as you are.
Many will survive and if anything, it will restore balance. I'm pretty sure you won't though. You'll sit in a corner in fetal position and cry yourself to death. Fuck, it hasn't happened yet and you're one step away from complete insanity.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:22:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:05:33 (#)
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but seriously, you don't actually *think* (and i use that verb loosely) that all of that money goes to the corporations to invest overseas, right?
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Shut the fuck up Wardy. I didn't say ALL the money. But the fucking POINT is, it doesn't have to be all the money. If just 1 red CENT goes overseas instead of to the coffers of the United States to help pay for what it is SUPPOSED to pay for - social programs, highways, national defense, etc. - we're on the losing end.
1 red cent.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:19:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 23:36:34 (#)
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i'm trying really hard not to get into an economics lesson with you...
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You don't want to get into one. In fact, I INVITE you into one.
You will - and already have - lost this debate.
You haven't a leg to stand on if you think that privatizing tax collection is ANYTHING but a bad fucking idea, particularly when it's at 20% OVER the lost of government employees doing the same job!
So there is no argument like "we're making government smaller" or "we're saving taxpayers money by privatizing", because the fact is, they're COSTING the taxpayers more money by essentially expanding the government by 20%, thereby increasing inefficiency, than by simply allowing the IRS employees to do the collecting. It makes ZERO economic sense.
I'll tell you what would make economic sense, if we stopped borrowing money from the fucking Japanese and the Chinese to fund our over-zealous nation-building and preemptive 'wars'. Maybe we should, instead, put that 20% toward something constructive for society as a whole like, oh I don't know...HEALTHCARE. Veteran's healthcare. Social security. Military pay. Small business appropriations. You know...all the things the republican congress have voted against time after time in favor of increasing the debt limit to $9 BILLION.
Explain that one to me, Mr. Mock-economist.
If you would like to continue this vain debate,
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:14:50 EDT (#)
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Hydroelectric dams kill fish. I like to eat fish. Hydro dams are great ways to get energy- my entire area's power is supplied by a dam; however, They arent any good for the rivers...
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And they are one of the cleanest, least invasive, and economical options we have. Period.
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My entire province runs on Hydro dams and on top of that, Hydro-Québec even supplies large parts of the U.S. East Coast industry. I even worked for them for a while (just saying so before you try to patronize me with your superior knowledge).
It's great! But we are pretty much an exception since there isn't a place on this planet where there are so much lakes and rivers in a huge inhabited therefore exploitable area.
What I'm trying to say here is...WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIVER, YOU DUMBSHIT?
Do you expect europeans whose main rivers are not even the size of my hometown's river (which is considered ridiculous by Canadian standard) to use dams? LET'S TURN THE ELBE INTO AN AUTOBAHN! BRAD LINZY FOR CHANCELLOR! YAY!
Or what about deserted areas? Are they gonna run these dams on spit and cum?
Unlike nuclear or coal powerplants, dams aren't just built all the same in the middle of nowhere. To say they are the least invasive and less ecologically damaging really depends on the situation.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-06 00:05:33 EDT (#)
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but seriously, you don't actually *think* (and i use that verb loosely) that all of that money goes to the corporations to invest overseas, right?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 23:36:34 EDT (#)
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i'm trying really hard not to get into an economics lesson with you...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 23:27:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Still-Life (user info) at 2006-04-05 23:21:18 (#)
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You're wrong.
Wind energy produces no biproducts. Neither does solar. Neither does hydro. Hydrogen fuel cells don't either.
The only way these forms of energy are at all harmful is because the materials used in the manufacture of the various components that go into them are mainly still run on coal burning.
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Hydroelectric dams kill fish. I like to eat fish. Hydro dams are great ways to get energy- my entire area's power is supplied by a dam; however, They arent any good for the rivers...
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And they are one of the cleanest, least invasive, and economical options we have. Period.
What would you replace them with? Coal? Oil? Natural gas? Weigh out the options.
I never said there was zero impact, I said there were zero emissions. There are ways to minimize the environmental impact with hydro, there are few with the fossil fuel alternatives. All of them will continue to pump CO2 into the atmosphere, CO2 which cannot be absorbed fast enough by the vegetation that's left on the planet, and it's warming it up. That is the reality we're facing at this time in history. Unchecked, it WILL kill us all. It's not a question of 'if'.
Submitted by Still-Life (user info) at 2006-04-05 23:21:18 EDT (#)
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You're wrong.
Wind energy produces no biproducts. Neither does solar. Neither does hydro. Hydrogen fuel cells don't either.
The only way these forms of energy are at all harmful is because the materials used in the manufacture of the various components that go into them are mainly still run on coal burning.
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Hydroelectric dams kill fish. I like to eat fish. Hydro dams are great ways to get energy- my entire area's power is supplied by a dam; however, They arent any good for the rivers...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 23:03:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:51:57 (#)
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right, and so the guy at the top of the giant corporation gets all of that 25 cents for every dollar? please tell me you're not that stupid...
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Well, apparently YOU are.
Look at what you're saying. This is what I'm talking about when I say you never think things through...AT ALL.
Why would the U.S. Congress take money it ALREADY HAS from citizens only to hand a huge percentage of that back to a selecct few companies - in effect recycling it? How is that helping anything?
It might be different if you're subsidizing a company that will bring revenue INTO the country, but you're not. You're taking money that's ALREADY IN the country and handing it over to a few CEOs to be reinvested overseas.
Wiggle your way out of that one.
Wardy, it makes no sense. The man who testified on behalf of the fucking IRS in a hearing about this said "it makes no sense".
In short, you're wrong.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:51:57 EDT (#)
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right, and so the guy at the top of the giant corporation gets all of that 25 cents for every dollar? please tell me you're not that stupid...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:42:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:13:06 (#)
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christ ets... he's giving that money to tax paying citizens, don't you see how that side of economic theory thinks? please tell me you do...
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No, sir, he's giving that money to yet another corporate body, which does as ALL corporate bodies do in this day and age - give money to a few rich people in this country who will, in turn, invest at least 70% of that OVERSEAS!
But you're right... It's a better idea to place the economic descisions about our own welfare in the hands of private corporate interests instead of the United States fucking Congress.
Brilliant.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:41:50 EDT (#)
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I HOPE YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT YOU SEX MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:39:11 EDT (#)
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I hope Ron Paul runs for president. This man is the real deal.
Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:36:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:59:37 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:50:01 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:45:13 (#)
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I like his selective argumentation too.
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He likes me! He really really likes me!!!! *cries*
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I would be the first...on this continent anyway...fucking loser.
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That's just not true. I like ETS!
When are you starting your cult Brad? I want to join. I'm super loyal and very impressionable. I'll do whatever you tell me to :)
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:33:46 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:28:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:02:39 (#)
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The world's biggest problem right now is people like you. Stupid fucking idiots who are just overwhelming the world nowadays.
Your feeble mind can be swayed in any direction in a finger snap. You eat up pre-digested opinions and regurgitate them in normal's people face because it makes you need to feel above others. It's all about your frail ego, not the world's problems.
You are the loudest and the most stubborn and that is exactly what idiots do. Your loud bullshit muffles reasonable people's voice (when you just don't bully them) and your stubborness makes it look like having reasonable opinions serves no use anymore.
You are exactly what makes people so cynic toward politics and causes them to distance themselves from important debates that have been hijacked by a bunch of stupid fucking idiots already.
On top of that, you offer absolutely no solution except for you self-acclaimed enligthened view.
Let me ask you again, if this is not about your ego...why are you still doing this when you're obviously being counter-productive to your cause, which apparently is THE way, the Truth? Why do you insist? Probably because this IS about you.
How about you work on yourself a bit and sort that out before you ask the world to change, you self-absorbed pompous little douchebag?
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Ouch!.......+2 true
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:13:06 EDT (#)
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christ ets... he's giving that money to tax paying citizens, don't you see how that side of economic theory thinks? please tell me you do...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:09:05 EDT (#)
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Ron Paul is back on C-SPAN
Turn it on and listen.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-05 22:04:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 21:17:54 (#)
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http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0104/011304ts1.htm
George Bush is allowing the IRS to OUTSOURCE PRIVATE TAX COLLECTING AGENCIES to collect taxpayers' payments at 25 CENTS PER DOLLAR COMMISSION!!!
This is opposed to the 5 cents per dollar it would cost to get government IRS employees to do it.
That's 20% of our taxes now about to be WASTED...down the fucking bottomless drain that is the Bush administration.
Unbelievable.
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If thats true....hes just giving quarter of your taxes away...that sucks.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 21:45:34 EDT (#)
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ETS IS FINALLY GIVEN THE RECOGNITION HE DESERVES! WATCH HIS LIVE VIDEO FROM CBS NIGHTLINE PREACHING THE TRUTH AND WISDOM BEHIND HIS WORDS!!!
http://www.nymethod.com/ets_live_video.html
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-05 21:36:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:32:31 (#)
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5325069
Everyone should go there and click "listen". Or tune your radios to NPR right now. This guy is talking about the U.S.'s policies of regime change throughout its history.
Brilliant historian
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I heard that this afternoon. It was interesting.
And if we want to solve the world's problems, we have to eradicate the world's problems. And by "world's problems," I mean "the continent of Africa."
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 21:18:19 EDT (#)
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By the way, I just saw that on C-SPAN. It's on right now if any of you want to watch it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 21:17:54 EDT (#)
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http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0104/011304ts1.htm
George Bush is allowing the IRS to OUTSOURCE PRIVATE TAX COLLECTING AGENCIES to collect taxpayers' payments at 25 CENTS PER DOLLAR COMMISSION!!!
This is opposed to the 5 cents per dollar it would cost to get government IRS employees to do it.
That's 20% of our taxes now about to be WASTED...down the fucking bottomless drain that is the Bush administration.
Unbelievable.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:59:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:50:01 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:45:13 (#)
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I like his selective argumentation too.
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He likes me! He really really likes me!!!! *cries*
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I would be the first...on this continent anyway...fucking loser.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:58:34 EDT (#)
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Well, at least during this one, he hasb't threatened to kill me.
Yet.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:50:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:45:13 (#)
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I like his selective argumentation too.
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He likes me! He really really likes me!!!! *cries*
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:45:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:30:25 (#)
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That's what he doesn't get, Caul. Maybe people would be more receptive if he wasn't such an arrogant cock face about all of this. With his attitude, he couldn't get his 6 year old brother to listen to him.
He really believes that he's being ground-breaking here, and exposing us to things we've never heard before. Instead he goes on google, sees "9/11 was a conspiracy", his eyes bug out and he RUNS to ubersite to tell us all about his remarkable findings as if he's doing us a favor.
He really is delusional.
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I like his selective argumentation too.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:32:31 EDT (#)
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5325069
Everyone should go there and click "listen". Or tune your radios to NPR right now. This guy is talking about the U.S.'s policies of regime change throughout its history.
Brilliant historian.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:30:25 EDT (#)
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That's what he doesn't get, Caul. Maybe people would be more receptive if he wasn't such an arrogant cock face about all of this. With his attitude, he couldn't get his 6 year old brother to listen to him.
He really believes that he's being ground-breaking here, and exposing us to things we've never heard before. Instead he goes on google, sees "9/11 was a conspiracy", his eyes bug out and he RUNS to ubersite to tell us all about his remarkable findings as if he's doing us a favor.
He really is delusional.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:26:56 EDT (#)
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I don't think there's something more pathetic that someone who awakes at age 30 and feels the need to inform the world on common knowledge.
"WAKE UP PEOPLE! THE ICE CAP IS MELTING AND THE EARTH IS ROUND! CAN'T YOU SEE!? THE IRIANIAN BOURSE IS OUT THERE EVERYDAY, SKETCHING PLANS TO SNATCH YOUR CHILDREN AND FEED THEM IN THE 'SYSTEM' THAT CONTROLS OUR MIND! *SOBS*"
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:25:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:00:54 (#)
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No it isn't.
"Most photovoltaic panels are warranted for 20 years, but the actual life of the panels may be much longer. Solar panels have been in operation for 30 years and longer. The manufacturer's warranties are managed by your solar installer. The manufacturer's warranty for the inverter, which converts from DC to AC power, is five years. All components used under the Generation Solar program are on a list of approved products managed by the state of California, in order to qualify for the state rebate."
And this is from ( http://www.sfenvironment.com/aboutus/energy/solarsf/what_life.htm ) which is very very enviromentally biased.
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I'd like everyone to read what I said and then read Indo's reply. Why is this guy basically pointing to that website to refute what I said when I basically said the same thing as the website?
Does he not know the difference between warranty life and actual life? Did he not read where it said "the actual life of the panels may be much longer"?
You know, I might just be crazy...in fact, I probably AM crazy, but at least I'm not comatose and illiterate.
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Oh so you think that solar cells performance doesn't degrade at all after 20 or so years? You don't think that the inverter that has to be replace every five years costs energy to produce? Do you think they grow on fucking farms? And way to once again pick on a single point of my reply.
Nevermind ETS you are right, you know a lot about all aspects of the energy industry, that is why you live in a fucking hovel and can't afford to see your girlfriend more than once a year.
That is why you don't have the mental capacity to earn a degree in any field, go ahead and say that if you wanted to you could, go ahead and say it doesn't matter (even though it could help spread your word).
You are a failure, in all aspects of the word. The best thing you will probably ever achieve in your life, and this is a stretch, is being on an episode of whatever basterdized version of wife swap is on in 10 years and sharing your backwards views of the world with whoever watches shit like that in between commercial breaks.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:24:51 EDT (#)
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haha that French one is great
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:22:01 EDT (#)
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this is still my favorite
http://nymethod.com/ets.html
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:21:15 EDT (#)
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ETS mind scheme: http://worldconspiracy.ytmnd.com/
For Method: http://greece.ytmnd.com/
And to be fair: http://picardisfrench.ytmnd.com/
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:15:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2005-11-18 16:10:12 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-11-18 14:37:21 (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2005-11-18 14:34:31 (#)
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Only someone like you could come up with this shit.
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What the hell's that supposed to mean!?!? :P
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means you're a nutjob. An incredibly intelligent nutjob, but a nutjob nonetheless
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEW! HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES THAT SHIT METHOD!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:14:33 EDT (#)
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These scientists say that Hydrogen would be more toxic than petroleum!
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Hydrogen/not_the_answer.htm
I don't give a shit about their views or yours, but I know you will type a ten-thousand words long reply or that you will simply ignore it like you do whenever someone brings up a valid argument. Speaking of which, will you ever my question...why are you insisting when you know you are being counter-productive to your cause if this isn't about you? Are you afraid to admit that this is just about your ego?
What a shitty Internet prophet you make!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:13:26 EDT (#)
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We finally have live video of the Prophet ETS preaching to the masses!
http://robotnikualue.ytmnd.com/
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:13:03 EDT (#)
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YOU NEED TO STICK YOUR PEEPEE IN SOME BAJINER
GO FOR A BIKE RIDE
ENJOY THE FRESH AIR BEFORE THE WORLD ASPLODES
DO SOMETHING BESIDES SITTING IN YOUR MOMS BASEMENT AND CHEWING ON YOUR TOE NAILS WHILE PERUSING MEDIA DISINFORMATION SITES
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:09:21 EDT (#)
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I NEVER SAID YOU WERE STUPID, YOU FUCKING GOOBER, YOURE INSANE
WAY TO TAKE OUT OF CONTEXT SOMETHING YOU POSTED THAT WAS NOT ONE OF YOUR INSANE RAMBLINGS
I SWEAR TO GOD, YOU AND AL SHARPTON SHOULD TEAM UP AND BECOME THE DYNAMIC DUO OF WORD TWISTING
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:05:25 (#)
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We finally have live video of the Prophet ETS preaching to the masses!
http://robotnikualue.ytmnd.com/
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:06:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:57:27 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:55:29 (#)
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You must realize that genius is almost always mistaken for insanity. :P
DEAR FUCKING LORD
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Allow me to direct the uber person's attention to the following exchange:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/79472#1700471
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2005-11-18 16:10:12 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2005-11-18 14:37:21 (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2005-11-18 14:34:31 (#)
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Only someone like you could come up with this shit.
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What the hell's that supposed to mean!?!? :P
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means you're a nutjob. An incredibly intelligent nutjob, but a nutjob nonetheless
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:05:25 EDT (#)
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We finally have live video of the Prophet ETS preaching to the masses!
http://robotnikualue.ytmnd.com/
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:03:18 EDT (#)
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holy shit this is fun...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:02:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:55:29 (#)
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Submitted by ih8u2man (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:53:42 (#)
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It's interesting that these people question your sanity.
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You must realize that genius is almost always mistaken for insanity. :P
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ARE WE BEING DELUSIONAL AGAIN?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 20:00:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:07:30 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:45:51 (#)
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You're not 'wrong', but your statement was misleading.
The thing about solar and wind is that once you produce the machinery or the solar panels, the energy is free indefinitely. We don't even really know the limits of the life of solar panels just yet because they are so durable that many of the first ones ever produced are still in operation. Likewise, windmills aren't just knocked down every year and rebuilt. They last and last. A very little bit of energy expenditure from a non-renewable source or a hydro-electric source can produce these things, as opposed to coal and gas firing, which is killing us slowly.
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No it isn't.
"Most photovoltaic panels are warranted for 20 years, but the actual life of the panels may be much longer. Solar panels have been in operation for 30 years and longer. The manufacturer's warranties are managed by your solar installer. The manufacturer's warranty for the inverter, which converts from DC to AC power, is five years. All components used under the Generation Solar program are on a list of approved products managed by the state of California, in order to qualify for the state rebate."
And this is from ( http://www.sfenvironment.com/aboutus/energy/solarsf/what_life.htm ) which is very very enviromentally biased.
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I'd like everyone to read what I said and then read Indo's reply. Why is this guy basically pointing to that website to refute what I said when I basically said the same thing as the website?
Does he not know the difference between warranty life and actual life? Did he not read where it said "the actual life of the panels may be much longer"?
You know, I might just be crazy...in fact, I probably AM crazy, but at least I'm not comatose and illiterate.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:57:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:55:29 (#)
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You must realize that genius is almost always mistaken for insanity. :P
DEAR FUCKING LORD
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:55:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ih8u2man (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:53:42 (#)
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It's interesting that these people question your sanity.
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You must realize that genius is almost always mistaken for insanity. :P
Submitted by ih8u2man (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:53:42 EDT (#)
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It's interesting that these people question your sanity.
Submitted by Deconstruction (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:49:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:48:53 (#)
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You have a point, over their life they will have less pollution (wind, solar, hydro), but with things like hydrogen fuel cells at this point the energy required to power them IS dirtier than the energy used to run a normal fuel efficient gas car.
But you are too thick to get that, so go on with your short sighted prophecies of how to fix the world.
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You're wrong. I'll show you why in my next post.
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please don't
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:48:53 EDT (#)
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You have a point, over their life they will have less pollution (wind, solar, hydro), but with things like hydrogen fuel cells at this point the energy required to power them IS dirtier than the energy used to run a normal fuel efficient gas car.
But you are too thick to get that, so go on with your short sighted prophecies of how to fix the world.
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You're wrong. I'll show you why in my next post.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:43:13 EDT (#)
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jesus, is there anything you can't do?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:41:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:29:04 (#)
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Dammit, I forgot...
Sierra Nevada Brewing company in Chico, CA. has a few Hydrogen fuel cells that provide all their electricity for the facility.
Guess what they do with the water that's produced by them?
Yeah, I know, too easy. but that's pretty cool though.
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Heh. Kickass.
I'm going to go more in depth about how to create a self-sustaining renewable energy system in my next post.
It's awesome, as I was researching some of the ideas I had just brainstorming, I came across this guy who had a lot of the same ideas I had. I'll get more into that on the next one. Suffice it to say, I think the technology is there for most households to be completely self-sufficent energy-wise.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:40:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:26:37 (#)
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Julie - I was raised protestant, they believe in the trinity. Father, Son, Holy spirit. All of which are different forms of the same God. When God created everything he was the Father, when he came down as Jesus to save us, he was the son. And when he talked to Moses, etc. he was the holy spirit. Make sense? didn't think so.
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If you look at it that way, it sounds like God has Multiple Personality Disorder. How can anyone possibly worship a god with MPD?
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:33:14 EDT (#)
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A recently released book entitled "The Weather Makers" by an Aussie proffesor is getting rave reviews from the academic community.
Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/osh25
If you people want a coherent, expert's findings on all this stuff ETS is trying to bring up, then read it. Should be at bookstores; I'll probably pick it up sometime soon.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:29:04 EDT (#)
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Dammit, I forgot...
Sierra Nevada Brewing company in Chico, CA. has a few Hydrogen fuel cells that provide all their electricity for the facility.
Guess what they do with the water that's produced by them?
Yeah, I know, too easy. but that's pretty cool though.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:26:37 EDT (#)
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ETS - one thing I learned at the fuel cell tour was that there are small fuel cells that are about the size of an air conditioning unit for houses. They hook up to the natural gas line of the house and supply all the power you'll ever need. Pretty cool.
But, the best and most economical way of getting hydrogen is still with methane.
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Julie - I was raised protestant, they believe in the trinity. Father, Son, Holy spirit. All of which are different forms of the same God. When God created everything he was the Father, when he came down as Jesus to save us, he was the son. And when he talked to Moses, etc. he was the holy spirit. Make sense? didn't think so.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:23:23 EDT (#)
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http://sunshineday.ytmnd.com/
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:07:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:45:51 (#)
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You're not 'wrong', but your statement was misleading.
The thing about solar and wind is that once you produce the machinery or the solar panels, the energy is free indefinitely. We don't even really know the limits of the life of solar panels just yet because they are so durable that many of the first ones ever produced are still in operation. Likewise, windmills aren't just knocked down every year and rebuilt. They last and last. A very little bit of energy expenditure from a non-renewable source or a hydro-electric source can produce these things, as opposed to coal and gas firing, which is killing us slowly.
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No it isn't.
"Most photovoltaic panels are warranted for 20 years, but the actual life of the panels may be much longer. Solar panels have been in operation for 30 years and longer. The manufacturer's warranties are managed by your solar installer. The manufacturer's warranty for the inverter, which converts from DC to AC power, is five years. All components used under the Generation Solar program are on a list of approved products managed by the state of California, in order to qualify for the state rebate."
And this is from ( http://www.sfenvironment.com/aboutus/energy/solarsf/what_life.htm ) which is very very enviromentally biased.
Look at Norway with all its wind turbines. They require a huge amount of maintenance, that costs energy. If it wasn't for the huge govt subsidies for them they wouldn't compete with coal, gas, etc.
You have a point, over their life they will have less pollution (wind, solar, hydro), but with things like hydrogen fuel cells at this point the energy required to power them IS dirtier than the energy used to run a normal fuel efficient gas car.
But you are too thick to get that, so go on with your short sighted prophecies of how to fix the world.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:06:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:47:12 (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:40:44 (#)
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He's clearly delusional. Proof in case:
"""Please see my next post in which I'll give the solutions to all of these problems and more. If mankind will only follow a few very simple premises, which I will outlay, we will be able to live in peace and prosperity forever."""
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My god I didn't even read that part! He just keeps getting better and more sane by the minute doesn't he?
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But he knows the Truth, can we really blame him? Could we really blame Jesus?
ETS = GOD?
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Too bad I don't believe in god. I guess ETS won't be able to save me huh?
By the way, are Jesus and god supposed to be the same dude? I've heard people say they're one in the same and now I'm confused. I was raised Catholic and I always thought they were two different....umm....entities? Then again, I stopped believing in all religions when I was 7 so maybe I got some things mixed up.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 19:02:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:15:45 (#)
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I got bored with this and stopped reading. I'm assuming it's something about how we're all going to die because of global warming or oil or something. All I have to say about that is, and I've said this several times now, if the world is really going to end for whatever reason, you're a big nobody with no real power or voice sitting at a desk in the middle of nowhere so there's nothing you can do to stop it. Why don't you just stop wasting your time and energy stressing out about every little thing and enjoy your life while you can?
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Thanks for the encouragement.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:53:23 EDT (#)
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"The way I see it, the two main problems in the world right now are
1) our dependence on forms of energy that pollute the environment, and
2) the struggle for power in an increasingly global society."
Wrong and wrong, I admit pollution is a slight worry, but you always go on about global warming which is only really a problem for people who live on the edge of sustainable land anyway, I'd think far more damaging is the huge increase in breathing problems.
Then again this massive rise in asthma etc has already happened and nobody really gives a shit.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:47:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:40:44 (#)
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He's clearly delusional. Proof in case:
"""Please see my next post in which I'll give the solutions to all of these problems and more. If mankind will only follow a few very simple premises, which I will outlay, we will be able to live in peace and prosperity forever."""
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My god I didn't even read that part! He just keeps getting better and more sane by the minute doesn't he?
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But he knows the Truth, can we really blame him? Could we really blame Jesus?
ETS = GOD?
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:40:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
He's clearly delusional. Proof in case:
"""Please see my next post in which I'll give the solutions to all of these problems and more. If mankind will only follow a few very simple premises, which I will outlay, we will be able to live in peace and prosperity forever."""
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My god I didn't even read that part! He just keeps getting better and more sane by the minute doesn't he?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:30:34 EDT (#)
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I am SO calling the fact that he's gonna build a bunker in his parents backyard in the next year.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:25:31 EDT (#)
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"Please see my next post in which I'll give the solutions to all of these problems and more. If mankind will only follow a few very simple premises, which I will outlay, we will be able to live in peace and prosperity forever."
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I heard that someone was remaking the Ten Commandments, just didn't think it would be Bradley.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:20:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:15:45 (#)
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I got bored with this and stopped reading. I'm assuming it's something about how we're all going to die because of global warming or oil or something. All I have to say about that is, and I've said this several times now, if the world is really going to end for whatever reason, you're a big nobody with no real power or voice sitting at a desk in the middle of nowhere so there's nothing you can do to stop it. Why don't you just stop wasting your time and energy stressing out about every little thing and enjoy your life while you can?
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Because ETS thinks he's making a difference. And that one day, he will awaken in the World presidential suite, walk up to his balcony in his bathrobe and salute humanity, which will be at his feet.
He's clearly delusional. Proof in case:
"""Please see my next post in which I'll give the solutions to all of these problems and more. If mankind will only follow a few very simple premises, which I will outlay, we will be able to live in peace and prosperity forever."""
I would think it's a joke from anybody, but from that nutcase...you never know!
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:15:45 EDT (#)
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I got bored with this and stopped reading. I'm assuming it's something about how we're all going to die because of global warming or oil or something. All I have to say about that is, and I've said this several times now, if the world is really going to end for whatever reason, you're a big nobody with no real power or voice sitting at a desk in the middle of nowhere so there's nothing you can do to stop it. Why don't you just stop wasting your time and energy stressing out about every little thing and enjoy your life while you can?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:10:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:40:37 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:28:12 (#)
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I like how you just learned what everybody knows already and think you're so enlightened that you're fit to lead the entire world into an earthly paradize.
You are so fucking 15 years old, it's unbelievable.
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What a mature statement.
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And discarding everyone who doesn't adhere to your end-of-world scenarios and conspiracy theories as below you makes you mature?
I'd like you to show me where you've ever displayed maturity, you self-important mental case. If there is anyone who needs to grow up here, it's you, buddy. You don't even understand the dynamics of basics social interactions so I don't think you're in any way fit to show us the way forward.
I gotta say though, despite your rampant idiocy, you are quite a persistent Internet prophet.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 18:02:39 EDT (#)
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The world's biggest problem right now is people like you. Stupid fucking idiots who are just overwhelming the world nowadays.
Your feeble mind can be swayed in any direction in a finger snap. You eat up pre-digested opinions and regurgitate them in normal's people face because it makes you need to feel above others. It's all about your frail ego, not the world's problems.
You are the loudest and the most stubborn and that is exactly what idiots do. Your loud bullshit muffles reasonable people's voice (when you just don't bully them) and your stubborness makes it look like having reasonable opinions serves no use anymore.
You are exactly what makes people so cynic toward politics and causes them to distance themselves from important debates that have been hijacked by a bunch of stupid fucking idiots already.
On top of that, you offer absolutely no solution except for you self-acclaimed enligthened view.
Let me ask you again, if this is not about your ego...why are you still doing this when you're obviously being counter-productive to your cause, which apparently is THE way, the Truth? Why do you insist? Probably because this IS about you.
How about you work on yourself anda bit sort that out before you ask the world to change, you self-absorbed pompous little douchebag?
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:51:36 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:45:41 EDT (#)
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ehhh... just because a company owns a large portion of a given medium, does not mean they are controlling every tiny aspect of everything that goes on within that company, this is especially the case with the media. yes, there are companies like clear channel, but with the emergence of satellite radio, even you would have to agree their stranglehold on radio is weakening. yeah, a lot of their stations are shit... yeah, that statement ends there, but i don't listen to them.
but i still take the journalists that cover any situation on a major news source to have a tremendous amount of credibility. i've already explained my argument why in a different post of yours, so i'm not going to get into it again with you.
and it's good to see that someone without a college education calling me an idiot and questioning how i'm in college. it reaffirms my belief that there still is freedom of speach in this country...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:40:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:28:12 (#)
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I like how you just learned what everybody knows already and think you're so enlightened that you're fit to lead the entire world into an earthly paradize.
You are so fucking 15 years old, it's unbelievable.
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What a mature statement.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:37:34 EDT (#)
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I disagree with this statement on as many levels as possible. Anti-trust laws,
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Goddammit Wardy. You really don't get it, do you?
I don't say that in an angry way, man. I say it in a sad way. I just don't see how you are even in college, honestly. You have the worldview of a hillbilly.
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/
There. See who owns the world. Click on Time-Warner, or Disney. Look at what they own. Fuck, dude, look at Clear Channel. They own like 8 different stations in some cities.
Haven't you heard of FCC deregulation? Haven't you been following this stuff? Why do you think I'm constantly bashing heads with you about what you seem to call 'credible sources' when your own definition of credible sources are the same MEGA-media outlets that own everything and have Washington cocks in their mouths?
Dude, I really don't know how else to say it. You just do not know what you're talking about. Anti-trust laws?!?! Come on. Do a little research into FCC deregulation. Shit, I've watched first hand hearings on C-SPAN where the government has basically HANDED Clear Channel the right to buy as many fucking stations as they please.
Furthermore, by your argument, I'd assume you agree that anti-trust laws are a GOOD thing...
How...'Democratic' of you.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:28:12 EDT (#)
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I like how you just learned what everybody knows already and think you're so enlightened that you're fit to lead the entire world into an earthly paradize.
You are so fucking 15 years old, it's unbelievable.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:24:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:10:28 (#)
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it does matter because you call people out on technicalities of speech all the time. you can't ignore the rules you apply to others because it doesn't fit your mood. but wait then again... here comes the argument cuz yet again someone found fault with you. never mind, dunno why i bothered. must just be tired.
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I don't know why you bothered either...especially considering you didn't say much that didn't amount to some bullshit excuse why we shouldn't worry about where we get our energy from because it doesn't matter.
After you say something like that, I don't think I'm really put into a position where I have to resort to technicalities to debate you.
Your error is obvious even if your intelligence isn't.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:14:30 EDT (#)
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I think it could be a butterfly
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:11:15 EDT (#)
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"...created a world wherein the haves and the have-nots are more widely separated than ever"
I disagree with this statement on as many levels as possible. Anti-trust laws, not to mention the collapse of most caste systems and monarchies tends to favor the notion that there is less of a gap, but whatever. I realize that there is a massive gap between the world's richest and even me, but I'm okay with that.
As far as most of the rest of what you said, I'd have to say I completely disagree with you on most of it. Our nation's "pre-emptive" (I have no idea how to spell it) military tactics are for a million more reasons than just protecting our economic interests and our allies. Sure, those are factors, but I know soldiers, I've seen pictures, there's a lot of awful shit out there. That, coupled with the fact that as the world's only "superpower", we are looked at as the world's police, whether you like it or not. Sure, there are dissenting views for Iraq, but if something were to have happened there like what happened in 1989 or 1991, we are the ones that are expected to clean it up, to take action. It's a double-edged sword, and I'm not sure what the answer is, but fuck it if I'm going to blame the guys with the weight of the world on their backs for making what I percieve to be the wrong decision. This is of course, because any commentary I make on any politician's decision is with a good deal of hindsight, and you know what they say about that...
As far as the dollar is concerned, well you know where I stand on that and while I think you need to talk to more economists before you make your decision, I'm going to tell you right now that you're wrong about the gold-backed dollar. But I'm not an economist...
As far as everything else goes, well I'm just glad that you're back after your one day hiatus. I was bored out of my bits yesterday, so hooray for you!
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:10:28 EDT (#)
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it does matter because you call people out on technicalities of speech all the time. you can't ignore the rules you apply to others because it doesn't fit your mood. but wait then again... here comes the argument cuz yet again someone found fault with you. never mind, dunno why i bothered. must just be tired.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:06:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:02:08 (#)
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ZZZZzzzzz
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You should really have that looked at.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:02:08 EDT (#)
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ZZZZzzzzz
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-05 17:01:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:56:56 (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:40:34 (#)
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PS Is there an easy way to reply to a review so that the previous review shows up? I just copied and pasted, but I wasn't sure if this was how it was normally done.
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Not really. You just sorta copy the parts that you want to respond to and paste them manually.
You can also copy a link to the specific review you're referring to. Right click the pound (#) symbol and copy link location into the review.
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Thank you :).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:56:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:40:34 (#)
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PS Is there an easy way to reply to a review so that the previous review shows up? I just copied and pasted, but I wasn't sure if this was how it was normally done.
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Not really. You just sorta copy the parts that you want to respond to and paste them manually.
You can also copy a link to the specific review you're referring to. Right click the pound (#) symbol and copy link location into the review.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:52:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:47:49 (#)
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setting up dams and hydroelectric plants is bad though because it fucks up natures plan of where that water should go. think egypt and the damming of the nile. now the entire river valley is fucked because it doesn't flood and deposit silt like it should.
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What is your point?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:52:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:40:46 (#)
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hydro electric, whoops forgot that one, is still the conversion of an existing energy into a more useful one. it's still not destroying one thing to make the energy needed. however, building hydroelectric powerplants is still along the lines of heavy environmental impact, although less than again coal, wood, fossil fuel and the like.
i said the destruction of something to release energy, not the conversion of one into another form, is what makes the byproducts.
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Doesn't matter what you 'said', what you 'meant'...what your 'message' was was: "Don't worry about it. Nothing you can do."
That's the part that's bullshit and you know it.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:47:49 EDT (#)
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setting up dams and hydroelectric plants is bad though because it fucks up natures plan of where that water should go. think egypt and the damming of the nile. now the entire river valley is fucked because it doesn't flood and deposit silt like it should.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:45:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:34:28 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:10:28 (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:01:07 (#)
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the destruction of anything to release its energy creates byproducts. ANYTHING being broken down to be used for energy will have things polluting in reaction to whatever chemical process it took to produce the energy. even breathing pollutes the air.
existence makes a mess. deal with it.
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You're wrong.
Wind energy produces no biproducts. Neither does solar. Neither does hydro. Hydrogen fuel cells don't either.
The only way these forms of energy are at all harmful is because the materials used in the manufacture of the various components that go into them are mainly still run on coal burning.
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wind and solar energy are not the destruction of something to fuel something else. building a windmill, singular, has no byproducts other than maybe some wood shavings, but then the nails taken to build a wooden one require fire so there goes that, with fire comes smoke. solar panel construction and wiring to use them also still require something being broken down, byproducts created, end result is just less than say refining oil into gasoline and then burning that to run a car. the basis of solar and wind power is the absorption and conversion of energy not the breaking down of one chemical substance into another substance that's useful.
and the reason you listed, ie coal burning, is why hydrogen fuel cells still have byproducts.
i'm not wrong.
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You're not 'wrong', but your statement was misleading.
The thing about solar and wind is that once you produce the machinery or the solar panels, the energy is free indefinitely. We don't even really know the limits of the life of solar panels just yet because they are so durable that many of the first ones ever produced are still in operation. Likewise, windmills aren't just knocked down every year and rebuilt. They last and last. A very little bit of energy expenditure from a non-renewable source or a hydro-electric source can produce these things, as opposed to coal and gas firing, which is killing us slowly.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:40:46 EDT (#)
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hydro electric, whoops forgot that one, is still the conversion of an existing energy into a more useful one. it's still not destroying one thing to make the energy needed. however, building hydroelectric powerplants is still along the lines of heavy environmental impact, although less than again coal, wood, fossil fuel and the like.
i said the destruction of something to release energy, not the conversion of one into another form, is what makes the byproducts.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:40:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:16:37 (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:09:46 (#)
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As long as you keep caring, I'll keep being impressed. Just promise me no racial slurs in responding to reviewers this time (and I don't mean the concern with denigrating Australians, which was sufficiently addressed later in the reviews).
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Thanks.
I am not a racist person or a 'classist' person. Anytime I use a racist term, it's with a sense of irony that probably doesn't come off well in print. I'll try to watch that, but I refuse to allow it to turn me into some politically-correct, watered down version of who I am.
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No worries and thanks for the posts. I definitely assumed you weren't racist or classist or I wouldn't have even mentioned it. I also agree entirely on not watering yourself down, I really enjoy and respect that you don't feel compelled to be moderate. I also don't worry about particular words for the sake of political correctness or anything like that. I only thought that there is probably enough actual - if often latent - racism on this site that I would just lean towards extra caution so as to avoid potential misinterprations of your viewpoints.
Just to give a personal example, many of my friends back home are relatively working class, white or hispanic kids. They use racially charged language with each other all the time, despite not being racist (well, at least no more so than everyone is on some level). Normally, since the words aren't intended badly, I wouldn't say anything. But, if I know we are in a context where their words might be misunderstood - and possibly be hurtful or inadvertently encouraging of someone with actual racist inclinations - I say something.
Anway, sorry for the long response :). And keep up the good work!
PS Is there an easy way to reply to a review so that the previous review shows up? I just copied and pasted, but I wasn't sure if this was how it was normally done.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:36:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:29:24 (#)
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no, the woodland creature thing. there is no way i could "get" your post seeing how its way to long to hold my attention. i did skim it though.
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I was being facetious.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:34:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:10:28 (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:01:07 (#)
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the destruction of anything to release its energy creates byproducts. ANYTHING being broken down to be used for energy will have things polluting in reaction to whatever chemical process it took to produce the energy. even breathing pollutes the air.
existence makes a mess. deal with it.
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You're wrong.
Wind energy produces no biproducts. Neither does solar. Neither does hydro. Hydrogen fuel cells don't either.
The only way these forms of energy are at all harmful is because the materials used in the manufacture of the various components that go into them are mainly still run on coal burning.
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wind and solar energy are not the destruction of something to fuel something else. building a windmill, singular, has no byproducts other than maybe some wood shavings, but then the nails taken to build a wooden one require fire so there goes that, with fire comes smoke. solar panel construction and wiring to use them also still require something being broken down, byproducts created, end result is just less than say refining oil into gasoline and then burning that to run a car. the basis of solar and wind power is the absorption and conversion of energy not the breaking down of one chemical substance into another substance that's useful.
and the reason you listed, ie coal burning, is why hydrogen fuel cells still have byproducts.
i'm not wrong.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:29:24 EDT (#)
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no, the woodland creature thing. there is no way i could "get" your post seeing how its way to long to hold my attention. i did skim it though.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:26:47 EDT (#)
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The post? Yea, I noticed.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:24:23 EDT (#)
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i dont get it
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:20:38 EDT (#)
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Did you guys hear something?.......
It's like......like........the sound of a desperate woodland creature dying from starvation......but smaller......
I can't put a finger on it.
If I had to guess, I'd say it was..........nah.......couldn't be him. He doesn't even read my posts.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:18:35 EDT (#)
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i think we should start by capping every volcano in the world with pozzolan cement
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:18:30 EDT (#)
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I TOO, THOUGHT THE HISTORY BOOK COMPARISON WAS FUNNY. AND BY FUNNY I MEAN SAD. ETS IS A MEGALOMANIAC WHICH IS AN AWESOME WORD EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT ETS IS ONE WHICH LOWERS ITS COOLNESS A LITTLE BIT.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:17:30 EDT (#)
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MAN DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN MAKE OIL OUT OF HEMP? ITS TRUE MAN. THAT'S WHY THE GOVERNMENT WONT LET US SMOKE WEED. DID YOU KNOW IN AMSTERDAM YOU CAN SMOKE A BOWL AND BLOW THE SMOKE IN SOME PIG COPS FACE AND HE CANT DO SHIT? ITS FUCKIN TRUE MAN
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:16:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:09:46 (#)
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As long as you keep caring, I'll keep being impressed. Just promise me no racial slurs in responding to reviewers this time (and I don't mean the concern with denigrating Australians, which was sufficiently addressed later in the reviews).
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Thanks.
I am not a racist person or a 'classist' person. Anytime I use a racist term, it's with a sense of irony that probably doesn't come off well in print. I'll try to watch that, but I refuse to allow it to turn me into some politically-correct, watered down version of who I am.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:15:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:04:44 (#)
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"Why is it so hard to believe that someone might just be able to accumulate knowledge an apply it without ripping someone else off? Do you take the same attitude toward history books? Are THEY ripping off each other?"
So you are like a history book, is that it ETS?
If you are so smart and able to divine such great insight, why don't you publish this? Why don't you try and sell of your wisdom, don't think of the commercial aspect of it think of all the people who miss out on your wisdom now.
Oh that is right, because your political rants suck and offer no insight. Because you have absolutely no grasp on the history of the world 500, 100, and 50 years ago. Because you have some of the most simplistic, backward and flat out wrong views of the world today.
Oh yeah, and history book cite real sources, not left wing blogs, or rants from confused old senators.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:10:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:01:07 (#)
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the destruction of anything to release its energy creates byproducts. ANYTHING being broken down to be used for energy will have things polluting in reaction to whatever chemical process it took to produce the energy. even breathing pollutes the air.
existence makes a mess. deal with it.
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You're wrong.
Wind energy produces no biproducts. Neither does solar. Neither does hydro. Hydrogen fuel cells don't either.
The only way these forms of energy are at all harmful is because the materials used in the manufacture of the various components that go into them are mainly still run on coal burning.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:09:46 EDT (#)
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As long as you keep caring, I'll keep being impressed. Just promise me no racial slurs in responding to reviewers this time (and I don't mean the concern with denigrating Australians, which was sufficiently addressed later in the reviews).
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:09:13 EDT (#)
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"At the height of the British empire, the best things the military had going for it were muskets, wooden ships, and cannons. The relationship between military might and the homeland economy were still very much the same as in Roman times. Conquest was always needed to expand the empire and plunder its goods to fund the lavish excesses of the people at the expense of others.
At 8:15 in the morning of August 6, 1945 all that changed forever when the Enola Gay released its payload upon the unsuspecting people of Hiroshima, effectively ending the war and starting the footrace with Russia to superpower and world dominance."
What exactly changed here?
You don't think there were arms races before - there were.
You say the british empire was living on the backs of others - but you imply the same about America.
A lot of people died in Hiroshima - more died in the Dresden or Hamburg bombing.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:08:29 EDT (#)
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To be honest I couldnt be arsed reading it all but Hunchback of Corporate Dame made me giggle
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:07:51 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:04:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:42:36 (#)
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HEY! WHAT THE!
this weeks Time magazine is featuring an article about the ongoing immigration debate. i figured you would post something eerily similar. ya know, like you usually do. what magazine inspired this?
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No magazine inspired this. I don't even subscribe to magazines.
Why is it so hard to believe that someone might just be able to accumulate knowledge an apply it without ripping someone else off? Do you take the same attitude toward history books? Are THEY ripping off each other? How about newspapers that print the same stories? Are THEY?
If Time magazine prints a story about something that I happen to post about in the same fucking week, it has nothing to do with 'follow-the-leader' journalism and everything to do with the importance of the subject.
If that were the case, I wouldn't be talking about Iran's oil bourse, I'd be talking about it's 'underhanded scheme to produce nuclear weapons', wouldn't I.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-05 16:01:07 EDT (#)
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the destruction of anything to release its energy creates byproducts. ANYTHING being broken down to be used for energy will have things polluting in reaction to whatever chemical process it took to produce the energy. even breathing pollutes the air.
existence makes a mess. deal with it.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:56:20 EDT (#)
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I made it through the wilderness
Somehow I made it through
Didn't know how lost I was
Until I found you
I was beat incomplete
I'd been had, I was sad and blue
But you made me feel
Yeah, you made me feel
Shiny and new
Like a virgin
Touched for the very first time
Like a virgin
When your heart beats
Next to mine
Gonna give you all my love, boy
My fear is fading fast
Been saving it all for you
'Cause only love can last
You're so fine and you're mine
Make me strong, yeah you make me bold
Oh your love thawed out
Yeah, your love thawed out
What was scared and cold
Like a virgin
Touched for the very first time
Like a virgin
With your heartbeat
Next to mine
Oooh, oooh, oooh
You're so fine and you're mine
I'll be yours 'till the end of time
'Cause you made me feel
Yeah, you made me feel
I've nothing to hide
Like a virgin
Touched for the very first time
Like a virgin
With your heartbeat
Next to mine
Like a virgin, ooh, ooh
Like a virgin
Feels so good inside
When you hold me, and your heart beats, and you love me
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Ooh, baby
Can't you hear my heart beat
For the very first time?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:52:33 EDT (#)
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"It takes a little understanding of history to appreciate the current world political landscape, (America in particular), in the 21st century and how it differs from, yet adheres to, the M.O. of past empires."
Then why the hell are you writing about it?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:49:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
OMG ETS IS GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD WITH HIS ACID-INDUCED SUPER DUPER MIND POWERS OF RADICAL LIBERALISM AND HIS DEATHRAY EYES!
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:42:36 EDT (#)
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HEY! WHAT THE!
this weeks Time magazine is featuring an article about the ongoing immigration debate. i figured you would post something eerily similar. ya know, like you usually do. what magazine inspired this?
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:41:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
The Soviet Union ceased to exist on December 25th, 1991 (not 1989)
Reagrding the Kyoto Treaty, let me ask you: How much of its emissions is China required to curtail?
How much of India's?
(if you playing at home answered ZERO, you would be correct)
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the rest of your post is the usual bullshit about non-existent oil bourses, Bretton Woods, and the regular John Birch stuff you spout - I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the Tri-Lateral Commission, or the Bilderburgers yet....check them out, they'll make your conspiracy-peenar ROCK HARD111111!!!!!
Submitted by Call911 (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:40:37 EDT (#)
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+2 Because I know a lot of people will -2 without reading it.
Normally +1
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:36:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Feijuada (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:33:34 (#)
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I think it's hilarious. I love how the bill claims that the corporations will be so worried about maintaining an enviroment-friendly public image that they'll keep pollution down despite the new lax laws.
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If only...
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:36:45 EDT (#)
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Trashing your computer and sticking that knife of yours in your head would be a great place to start...
Submitted by Feijuada (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:33:34 EDT (#)
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I think it's hilarious. I love how the bill claims that the corporations will be so worried about maintaining an enviroment-friendly public image that they'll keep pollution down despite the new lax laws.
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:31:18 EDT (#)
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Auto "Resident Sociopathic Uber User" +2
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:28:29 EDT (#)
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whoops!
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-05 15:27:58 EDT (#)
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www.nymethod.com/ets.html