Allegiance to Conscience (Why you have a moral right to stop paying your taxes to the American government) (4577 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-09 16:34:05 EDT
"I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right. It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience. Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice." - Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience
A man is not a man unless his words are reflected in his actions. A man of conscience, as Thoreau would put it, cannot submit himself upon the alter of convenience and material wealth if the price of such wealth is the deterioration of that most precious of things...the soul. "For," as Jesus Christ said, "what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
What does it profit the citizens of a nation, to gain personal security and world wealth through the actions of its government if their own souls, their own will, and the very freedoms they seek to protect are lost in the process?
The worst enemies of freedom are those who would take it away in the name of securing it. Standing up for oppressed people does NOT include being oppressors ourselves. Liberty is NOT a function of force. Defense of the meek does NOT include endangering them further. Democracy does NOT preclude injustice when it is imposed by of foreign power. Yet, it is evident by the general apathy and contentment of the modern bourgeoisie that personal comfort and freedom from state-manufactured fear far outweighs any will toward doing what is right, not from a religious standpoint, but from a conscientious standpoint.
For centuries, men have been baffled with the problem of society - with the eternal struggle between purely selfish ends, which feed the will to power, and selfless ends, which by virtue of the constructs of that society, render the selfless in material poverty. For selflessness in a capitalist scheme is nearly impossible for anyone but the most affluent and well-to-do, who have only gotten that way by NOT practicing selflessness. Truly effective philanthropy does not ultimately serve the self-interest of those who make their bread and living on the backs of the less educated and economically disadvantaged, for, to raise up the disadvantaged through the dispersion of wealth would be to cut off the source such wealth and ensure its demise.
So what is government? In short, government is an intermediary between conflicting interests within a given society. It is a way of maintaining overall stability despite the disagreements of individuals. Government is there to keep such disagreements from becoming violent by offering solutions that best suit both interested parties and the society as a whole. But the problem of government arises when, without provocation, it begins to meddle in affairs that are outside its own borders for its own ends or the ends of individuals. At that point it has extended beyond the rights imposed upon it by its own people and is now infringing upon the rights of other societies. Whether this is done under the banner of Liberation, Justice, Democracy, or Freedom is secondary and immaterial to the fact that it is done without any moral authority whatsoever and can rightly be considered the sole product of a self-serving greed.
I, through a conscientious will to do what I feel is right, have come to the conclusion that to pledge my allegiance to a nation that perpetrates such atrocities is impossible. I CANNOT and WILL NOT support any regime that refuses to carry out the most basic of governmental functions in the true interests of its own people. Any government that, through use of a standing army around the world, seeks to bend to its will the sovereignty of foreign nations has ultimately abandoned its purported function; and its folly, while largely lost on its own people - for their well-being is perceived to increase with such injustice - is not lost on the people of occupied nations, and any perceived well-being the occupying nation is securing for itself in the present will undoubtedly be compromised 7-fold in the future. For, people are not likely to forget any infringement upon their God-given right to decide their own destiny, be it by a totalitarian dictator or foreign 'liberator', particularly when that infringement has been the harbinger of the death and suffering of its countrymen and its ultimate result is the compromise of its own culture through assimilation with the culture of the liberating force. Furthermore, any intended benevolence of the liberating army will be invariably lost when their true motives are revealed as being self-serving.
It is the sour allotment of the wiseman that he is vexed with seeing the ultimate outcome of his actions and his influences upon the world. It is his sad misfortune that he is able to percieve how the ripple effects of his choices extend beyond the mere boundaries of his own personal struggle or that of his countrymen to all mankind. It is likewise unfortunate that such a man is forced to question the notion of his own betterment, and weigh that notion using more than the scales of material success.
That is why this year, I am refusing to pay my federal income taxes. I am giving that money, instead, to charity. Maybe they can do with it the kind of good that my government seems only capable of negating. If that means receiving punishment from an unjust government, then so be it.
When a democratic government uses its tax dollars to perpetrate preemptive war and regime change around the globe instead of homeland defense, when it stations a standing army around the globe even in times of peace to impose its will on sovereign nations, when it has become a liability to its people through its instigation of others in its persuit of temporary gain, it is time to stop supporting that government and start opposing it.
It is with my full conviction of conscience as a man that I pledge to never again support, with either money or approval, any government that perpetrates unjust, preemptive wars under false pretenses against sovereign nations, that promotes fear and disconnection from our fellow man, or that fails to represent the true will of the people in its elected bodies.
I also hereby declare my independance from the government of the United States of America until such time as they get back to doing what they're there to do, DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. That is, unless they keep defining 'enemies' as those people who still exercise a conscience.
User Reviews
Submitted by PeopleAreStrange (user info) at 2006-06-20 04:27:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Good for you ETS, I hope you have the courage to follow your convictions and that you realise that if you end up with a prison record it may be extremely difficult for you to reintegrate into society. You might be living off the grid for more than a year with no choice.
If you ever get the chance I recommend you buy a copy of Louis Theroux 'Weird Weekends'. Theroux has made a number of interesting documentaries, in some of which he put a new spin on British celebrities and in the Weird Weekends he explored subcultures. In the episode 'Survivalists' he goes to North West America to meet with a community of people who don't pay federal taxes. Read the interview with Amazon here which explains a bit more about the people he met:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/228350/ref%3Ded%5Fart%5F303890%5Ftxt%5F1/203-7080709-9520718
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-16 10:55:25 EDT (#)
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Whoever decided to found a city and nme it Troy was asking for trouble
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-15 06:26:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by fried-green-potatoes (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:30:23 (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:08:34 (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm not entirely sure how it works over there, but doesn't your income tax also pay for upkeep of roads and such? Public amenities? Law and order?
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Funny you should ask...
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9410862/
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This just came up on StumpleUpon. They break it down by state: http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=198&Itemid=61
Don't know how accurate it is but somebody might find it interesting.
Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:54:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I don't understand why people hate you so much.
Oh well.
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:54:08 EDT (#)
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Dude, if you could successfully defend my moral cause in the court of law, I'd gladly follow your cause. As it stands, I'll have to take the role of the farmers who stood around watching some patriots take down England's army. I'm pretty sure some of what I just wrote made sense.
Submitted by Martyn_Steiner (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:53:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Good on you.
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:20:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
FAGGOT
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:15:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
ETS is still convinced that he's a victim and a brilliant mind: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1928457
But hey, he does NOT have an attitude problem!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:04:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:53:32 (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:44:42 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:43:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
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We know that, well at least I know that.
I don't think I am going to change him, I don't care.
It amuses me to see his stuff.
His claims of wisdom, of knowing the truth, of joining the peace corp, of living off the grid, even this post and his "act of defiance". It is the funniest shit on the web. The fact that he believes he is doing something (even though he doesn't have the balls or backbone to ask for his tax money back from uncle sam) is hilarious. The people who believe his shit, or think he is going to do something when he floats from cause to cause and never actually following through on what he says make my day.
Not only does it crack me up, it is an ego boost. I am an average joe. I am healthy, I own a house, I have a good job, I am engaged to the woman I love, I have lived in exotic countries I guess I am better that average, I am happy, but I am never going to be great outside my circle of friends and family. And I have accepted that. But when I see someone who believes they are going to be great and be involved in great struggles and then they fall so terribly short of their goals it makes me feel good about myself. When I see someone whose sworn arch enemy is a system they are living in and supporting, when I see them unwilling to make the slightest effort to fight it, that makes me feel good about the things I have struggled through.
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Haha
That is so cruelly hilarious.
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:53:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:44:42 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:43:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
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We know that, well at least I know that.
I don't think I am going to change him, I don't care.
It amuses me to see his stuff.
His claims of wisdom, of knowing the truth, of joining the peace corp, of living off the grid, even this post and his "act of defiance". It is the funniest shit on the web. The fact that he believes he is doing something (even though he doesn't have the balls or backbone to ask for his tax money back from uncle sam) is hilarious. The people who believe his shit, or think he is going to do something when he floats from cause to cause and never actually following through on what he says make my day.
Not only does it crack me up, it is an ego boost. I am an average joe. I am healthy, I own a house, I have a good job, I am engaged to the woman I love, I have lived in exotic countries I guess I am better that average, I am happy, but I am never going to be great outside my circle of friends and family. And I have accepted that. But when I see someone who believes they are going to be great and be involved in great struggles and then they fall so terribly short of their goals it makes me feel good about myself. When I see someone whose sworn arch enemy is a system they are living in and supporting, when I see them unwilling to make the slightest effort to fight it, that makes me feel good about the things I have struggled through.
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Haha
That is so cruelly hilarious.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:44:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:43:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
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We know that, well at least I know that.
I don't think I am going to change him, I don't care.
It amuses me to see his stuff.
His claims of wisdom, of knowing the truth, of joining the peace corp, of living off the grid, even this post and his "act of defiance". It is the funniest shit on the web. The fact that he believes he is doing something (even though he doesn't have the balls or backbone to ask for his tax money back from uncle sam) is hilarious. The people who believe his shit, or think he is going to do something when he floats from cause to cause and never actually following through on what he says make my day.
Not only does it crack me up, it is an ego boost. I am an average joe. I am healthy, I own a house, I have a good job, I am engaged to the woman I love, I have lived in exotic countries I guess I am better that average, I am happy, but I am never going to be great outside my circle of friends and family. And I have accepted that. But when I see someone who believes they are going to be great and be involved in great struggles and then they fall so terribly short of their goals it makes me feel good about myself. When I see someone whose sworn arch enemy is a system they are living in and supporting, when I see them unwilling to make the slightest effort to fight it, that makes me feel good about the things I have struggled through.
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Haha
That is so cruelly hilarious.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-12 11:49:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
ets is like the borg...he wants to bring chaos to order.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-04-12 11:03:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Well done for getting on MVA, ETS.
Submitted by Lechuga (user info) at 2006-04-12 10:51:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
"That is why this year, I am refusing to pay my federal income taxes. I am giving that money, instead, to charity."
Enjoy going to Federal Prison for tax evasion you fucking idiot. I agree that the government sucks, BUT NOTHING YOU SAY OR DO WILL CHANGE THIS ADMINISTRATION'S MIND. Bush isn't sitting in the oval office going "PLEASE TELL ME BRAD LINZY IS GOING TO PAY HIS INCOME TAX THIS YEAR! HE'S NOT? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
He doesn't fucking care, the IRS certainly doesn't give a shit, and while the charity you choose to give to may thank you, doing this will accomplish NOTHING, except to get you in trouble.
Doing this doesn't make you a Martyr, or a hero, it just tells me that you're a dumbass. I see protests and mini-marches and stuff all the time at my university, and you know what, the smarter people on campus realize that they accomplish NOTHING as well.
So enjoy what little "stand" you're taking, because while the IRS might not get around to it immediately, they WILL notice that you didn't pay, and they WILL send you delinquient tax notices, and when you fail to pay, they WILL send you to Federal Prison.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-12 06:49:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
silly rabbit, trix are for kids.
Submitted by wetyourself (user info) at 2006-04-12 01:52:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
This post actually inspired me to start rating some of the garbage I read.
Now, then, despite the fact that I wholeheartidly disagree with what you said in this submission, all I really want to say is that you bore the fuck out of me with your pointless reiteration of an idea that was thouroughly described in the quote. All you needed to say (in addition to the quote) was, I'm not going to pay my taxes anymore because I hate the government, and I'm going to go to jail because of my views. That would've saved me a lot of reading time that I could've used perusing more interesting submissions about what really goes through people's heads when they are having sex, or itching their balls, or whatever.
oh, yeah, and since this is my first review... -2die
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 23:15:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Someone just came off of some sort of high.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 23:01:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:02:44 (#)
Ranking: 2
I love ya Bradley, I know you're a good person deep down, and I think in another life you and I could be good friends. I just wish you'd tone it down a bit, and not be such a cock face about things
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At this point, dude, even when I try to tone it down 'they' won't let me. You can read the reviews to most of my posts, you know... I start out with every single intention of having a productive and stimulating debate, and it just turns into a menagerie of hate and over-inflamed passions. The first few reviews I write are toned down, directed, concise, and for the most part cordial. Then, invariably, the shit wave hits the rocky shore of my temperament and it all pretty much falls apart.
What really sucks is, at this point, I really do think I have some things of value to say about the world, but the real message is lost in the ensuing catfight.
But, you know, I guess this is the world we live in today. I can argue with people from all over the world and threaten their lives from 5000 miles away in a way they know I will never carry out. I can insult them, and they me over nothing more than a perception stemming from communication purely in writing. I just hope that the freedoms and the wonders of the life we have on this earth at this particular time in human history is not lost on us and we can be grateful and appreciate it for what it is...truly extraordinary.
I know that seems a bit too grandiloquent for such a savage place as the internet, but much like the promise of a burgeoning frontier, the internet is STILL the way of the future, and one day, if we can manage to reign in the more destructive and greedy side of human nature, we can enjoy a world that's transparent to us, wherein people can share ideas and information without acting like monkeys at a monolith.
There are some brilliant minds that pass this way, and I believe in the power of that, of having such minds converging on the same place to communicate, relate, debate, and share ideas about everything around us. Such is the stuff of great movements. Such things have the power to change history. I know a lot of the people here scoff at that somewhat, but hell, look around, it's already happening! Let's not take such things for granted or leave them solely under the will of people in government bodies or corporate boardrooms and we'll be ok.
...and yea, I'll try to loosen up. ;)
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:47:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
What he said.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:43:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
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We know that, well at least I know that.
I don't think I am going to change him, I don't care.
It amuses me to see his stuff.
His claims of wisdom, of knowing the truth, of joining the peace corp, of living off the grid, even this post and his "act of defiance". It is the funniest shit on the web. The fact that he believes he is doing something (even though he doesn't have the balls or backbone to ask for his tax money back from uncle sam) is hilarious. The people who believe his shit, or think he is going to do something when he floats from cause to cause and never actually following through on what he says make my day.
Not only does it crack me up, it is an ego boost. I am an average joe. I am healthy, I own a house, I have a good job, I am engaged to the woman I love, I have lived in exotic countries I guess I am better that average, I am happy, but I am never going to be great outside my circle of friends and family. And I have accepted that. But when I see someone who believes they are going to be great and be involved in great struggles and then they fall so terribly short of their goals it makes me feel good about myself. When I see someone whose sworn arch enemy is a system they are living in and supporting, when I see them unwilling to make the slightest effort to fight it, that makes me feel good about the things I have struggled through.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:58:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
tom i don't even read them anymore.
i just like to go where the action's at.
PARTY! Woo!
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:57:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Congrats, you're on the MVA!!!
NOW GO GET SOME SUN!!!
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:44:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:42:59 (#)
Ranking: -2
You people are pathetic. ETS probably masturbates to the hits he's getting.
"OH MY GOD, MY MESSAGE IS GETTING 'OUT THERE' TO THE MASSES! I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!"
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tom, stuff bothers you way to much.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:44:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Tom, I honestly could give a rats ass if he prints this out and papercuts his wrists with it for pleasure.
I enjoy this, and that's the only reason I need.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:43:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I am only glad that at some point some now-stone-dead bugger questioned Feudalism. I'm glad someone finally realized the folly of emperors and kings with their "Divine Right". I'm glad that people wrote and questioned and challenged and took to the streets through the course of history, otherwise we wouldn't have the freedom to follow the rules.
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The best form of government is an autocracy ruled by a benevolent leader. Like a well run business with no micro managing and committees, every decision is simplified.
But, unfortunatly, a Benevolent Autocracy has only been shown to work in small villages.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:42:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You people are pathetic. ETS probably masturbates to the hits he's getting.
"OH MY GOD, MY MESSAGE IS GETTING 'OUT THERE' TO THE MASSES! I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!"
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:39:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
congrats on mva
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:07:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
So, Brad.
You think we need a new type of government?
We need a new form of leadership?
Suggestion?
What kind of government do *YOU* think we need?
Give it to me from the top down.
Leadership.
Lawmaking.
Law-ruling.
States.
Cities.
Big list.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:02:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I love ya Bradley, I know you're a good person deep down, and I think in another life you and I could be good friends. I just wish you'd tone it down a bit, and not be such a cock face about things
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:01:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:56:39 (#)
Ranking: 0
Is that a frech lady reference?
They really don't teach history in the US do they?
Well I'm off to bed.
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No Eddie Izzard. Cake or death?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:56:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Is that a frech lady reference?
They really don't teach history in the US do they?
Well I'm off to bed.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:54:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
But we would have plenty of cake.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:52:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:43:12 (#)
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If you don't like it you don't have to live there, if you want to live there you have to follow the rules.
It is a very simple concept.
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I am only glad that at some point some now-stone-dead bugger questioned Feudalism. I'm glad someone finally realized the folly of emperors and kings with their "Divine Right". I'm glad that people wrote and questioned and challenged and took to the streets through the course of history, otherwise we wouldn't have the freedom to follow the rules.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:50:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
HADUKEN by DCWoody!
We don't own jack shit in the government, and we haven't in a long long time.
Now, here's what I wish I'd be able to see in the future.
In November, the Republicans will be swept out of House of Reps and MAYBE the Senate.
In 2008, if the Senate is still righty, that will change, along with a Democrat into the White House.
Then watch ETS, as he turns into the government lover.
I would laugh at that, but sadly, ETS will die a few months into being "off-the-grid" because he misread the section in his Boy Scout handbook labeled "Poisonous Plants"
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:43:12 EDT (#)
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"No, sir, we have control over THEM."
Yeah obviously.
Its the WE part thats important, the government represents the majority of the we, and the majority of the we say pay your taxes.
The government has control over you. The government is decided by democratic means (sort of), but then they're in charge until the next election.
The government is chosen to be in charge, and then it is in charge.
The government was elected to run the country, and until the next election they have control over you. They are in charge. Not you.
You had your say at the election, you lost cos you were in a minority, and you have to accpet that cos thats how the US works. If you don't like it you don't have to live there, if you want to live there you have to follow the rules.
It is a very simple concept.
Submitted by Whiplash (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:19:10 EDT (#)
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how cute i'm feeding the fire
i'm technically retarded and even --I-- think every word you've ever said is jibberish
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:57:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:19:29 (#)
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ETS.
Democracy doesn't chancge anything, it lets you have a tiny tiny say in who your government is every now and again.
Right now its Bush and Co, later it'll be someone else, it still doesn't make any difference.
You are a citizen of the US and its government has control over you.
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No, sir, we have control over THEM.
This is the magic of that little 'Constitution' you seem to think is so overrated.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:53:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:37:22 (#)
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEehehehehehehehehe this is funny...
Democracy, ETS?
Dude, I thought you knew enough about "politics" and the like to not make that VERY common mistake.
We're not a DEMOCRACY. We never have been. We're a REPUBLIC.
---see previous review
We vote for the people who vote on the laws. (You know, the Senate? The House of Reps?)
---correct, you get a gold star
We vote for the people who vote for our leaders. (remember the Electoral College?)
---This varies by state, but somewhat correct. The political parties vote for them at their convention, not everyone.
Those people SHOULD listen to what the masses have to say, but they're not FORCED to do so. They sign no contract that says "I will poll my constituents and vote however the majority decides."
---technically they could be. We got pissed at Gray Davis and booted his ass out. the E.C. is elected every election year, so they could be black balled as well
In a democracy, popular vote of the people would decide EVERYTHING.
Every law in the Senate and House of Reps would go to a public vote.
The popular vote totals would determine the Presidential Elections.
---true, that's what makes us a democratic republic, not a true democracy. Could you imagine having to have 150,000,000 vote for every little bill, etc.? not realistic.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:46:17 EDT (#)
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The democratic part of "democratic republic" has been so watered down.
Seriously, the only laws that the individuals vote on are laws that the governing body allows. Even if an issue is placed on the abllot by petition, it has to be done legally, through the process set out by the governing body.
The best place to find a "democracy" is a small town that still decides everything during Town Hall meetings.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:45:54 EDT (#)
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goddamn, nitpicking.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:43:22 EDT (#)
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Democratic Republic
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:37:22 EDT (#)
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEehehehehehehehehe this is funny...
Democracy, ETS?
Dude, I thought you knew enough about "politics" and the like to not make that VERY common mistake.
We're not a DEMOCRACY. We never have been. We're a REPUBLIC.
We vote for the people who vote on the laws. (You know, the Senate? The House of Reps?)
We vote for the people who vote for our leaders. (remember the Electoral College?)
Those people SHOULD listen to what the masses have to say, but they're not FORCED to do so. They sign no contract that says "I will poll my constituents and vote however the majority decides."
In a democracy, popular vote of the people would decide EVERYTHING.
Every law in the Senate and House of Reps would go to a public vote.
The popular vote totals would determine the Presidential Elections.
I'm shocked you, the almighty politico, messed that up.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:19:29 EDT (#)
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ETS.
Democracy doesn't chancge anything, it lets you have a tiny tiny say in who your government is every now and again.
Right now its Bush and Co, later it'll be someone else, it still doesn't make any difference.
You are a citizen of the US and its government has control over you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 17:42:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 16:42:28 (#)
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You are a citizen of the US and its government has control over you.
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Apparently you missed Democracy 101.
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-11 17:28:09 EDT (#)
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"There are plenty of things america could boast about, but the main two are the constitution and single handedly defeating the Nazis"
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Your kidding about the nazis I hope?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 16:42:28 EDT (#)
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Okay, I'm gonna stop with tht arguing and write a response to the post again.
The 1st quote is great.
the line alter of convenience is great.
then theres a lot of pretensious crap in the middle.
then this
" also hereby declare my independance from the government of the United States of America until such time as they get back to doing what they're there to do, DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC."
Firstly, I think you guys are a little too prideful of your infamous constitution, its not that great, its too rigid and modern american governments basically ignore it.
There are plenty of things america could boast about, but the main two are the constitution and single handedly defeating the Nazis. It's like the worlds greatest long jumper keeping going on about how his hair is better than anyone elses. When hes ginger.
Secondly you CAN'T declare your independance of the government of the US.
Well thats not true, you can if you want, you can declare yourself to be a direct male line descendant of Jesus Christ if you really feel like it but it won't make any difference.
You are a citizen of the US and its government has control over you. The US government, unlike some, allows people to stop being citizens of the US and continue breathing.
But you can't eat your cake and have it. If you want to live in the USA then you must accept the law of the land and the law of the land IS the US government.
The US government owns the US, if you want to live their then you are a US citizen, if you don't want to be a US citizen then you can't live their.
Its as simple as that. You cannot choose to go live in the woods and stop being a citizen, because its their woods.
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2006-04-11 16:07:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:27:30 (#)
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ubmitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:21:18 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
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Is that pic for real?
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so it seems
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Jeebus that creeped me out. Where do you even get secret society rings? And why two? So that no matter what secret handshake you do they can see the ring?
Was Thoreau part of the Masons? I think not. In fact I think he would have disliked an such organization as a surrogate to true social responsibility and self actualization...
But then again, what do I know?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 16:07:45 EDT (#)
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Couple of things, just in general...
1) I can get you the number of the department that will allow you to dissolve your citizenship if you'd like, ETS. It takes about 45 days to do the paperwork, and you must find a recognized country that will have you as a citizen.
2) No raise. We don't actually RUN the government, persey, we just kind of walk around all the time, and get a president elected or twelve. And we don't claim Dubbya, although we don't mind his pappy.
3) ETS playing himself off as brave for being willing to "drop off the grid" for a year is like me playing myself off as a "fitness guru" because my doctor put my fat ass on a diet.
4) Um... I guess 3 is all.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 15:57:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:37:29 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:34:07 (#)
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Too many people are chickenshit about doing the right thing these days. It's nice to know some people aren't.
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Here we have ETS saying he's brave...hahahahha
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But not brave enough to ask for his money back from Uncle Sam.
Way to make the laziest thing in the world, not filing taxes, seem like a courageous david vs goliath struggle against the system.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2006-04-11 15:55:42 EDT (#)
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I also hereby declare my independance from the government of the United States of America until such time as they get back to doing what they're there to do
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If you hinder the actions of one side you inadvertantly bolster the actions of the other.
Activists think putting themselves on the line somehow makes their beliefs valid, newsflash: it doesn't.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:37:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:34:07 (#)
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Too many people are chickenshit about doing the right thing these days. It's nice to know some people aren't.
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Here we have ETS saying he's brave...hahahahha
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:16:48 EDT (#)
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i know. people actually believe it enough to buy the rings and wear them. like ETS in that picture.
anyway, i work for the govt, and you are a mason and we all know you guys run the govt. can i have a raise?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:15:55 EDT (#)
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Still no answer ETS?
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1927139
Go ahead and pretend I am asking you to lie again.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:12:33 EDT (#)
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Ah, sorry.
But you can imagine, since A&D came out, people have really started believing that kind of jibba jabba again. It's been odd, to say the least.
But I can say this, at least I'm not a Shriner.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:00:25 EDT (#)
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sorry, that was wrong of me. i was being sarcastic.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:59:39 EDT (#)
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NO SHIT YOU FAT BLOB. I WAS BEING FACETIOUS.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:58:28 EDT (#)
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Um, dude.
I'm a Mason.
My family has been Mason for... I wanna say 10 generations, now.
The Dan Brown thing is just about as untrue as anything I've read on the Onion.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:48:52 EDT (#)
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nice illuminati rings nutball. you must LOVE dan brown.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:27:30 EDT (#)
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ubmitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:21:18 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
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Is that pic for real?
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so it seems
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:22:56 EDT (#)
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W
T
F
Last time I saw this, there were like, 110 reviews.
SOMEONE WENT WACKO AGAIN, DIDN'T THEY?
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:21:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
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Is that pic for real?
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 12:45:45 EDT (#)
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"[Long thumbnails have a myriad of uses. They come in especialy handy in opening new CD packaging.] "
True.
"Please don't squish me.
[Heh. Aren't you English? Why are you afraid of the FBI?] "
Just being careful...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 12:37:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:57:11 (#)
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"I posted the pic on someone else's post to give them something to think about"
Bad move unfortunatly, quite ruined your credibility.
[It was just a joke. Nothing more. It doesn't define who I am. Besides, if I were a Mason and yet I'm still talking about the elite that rule the world, might it not stand to reason that I'd have some sort of inside information that I simply wasn't at liberty to discuss?]
"Plus, if I ever had to tear out a person's eyeballs, it would be much easier with a healthy set of thumbnails...I guess. "
Funny that, I keep a thumbnail long for precisely the same reason*. That and potentially slitting carotid arteries. But then I've just had chavs throw bricks at my building, all because what the flat downstairs had done.
[Long thumbnails have a myriad of uses. They come in especialy handy in opening new CD packaging.]
*Dear FBI, though we might share a similar pedicural philosophy, I do not share ETS's militancy. Personally I do dissagree with the present US administration, but I know that "two wrongs don't makea right".
Please don't squish me.
[Heh. Aren't you English? Why are you afraid of the FBI?]
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:57:58 EDT (#)
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I am pretty sure I asked you why you aren't asking for your money back for the reasons listed on this post
here http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1927076
and here http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1927027
and here http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1926588
and here http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1926105
and in none of them did I say to lie about dependents, or make up a scam.
I simply asked you to fucking back up what you say.
What is the problem ETS do you not believe what you say or are you too scared or too lazy or is it all three. This would take all of 15 minutes to do, an it wouldn't involve lying, but you won't do it, why is that?
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:57:11 EDT (#)
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"I posted the pic on someone else's post to give them something to think about"
Bad move unfortunatly, quite ruined your credibility.
"Plus, if I ever had to tear out a person's eyeballs, it would be much easier with a healthy set of thumbnails...I guess. "
Funny that, I keep a thumbnail long for precisely the same reason*. That and potentially slitting carotid arteries. But then I've just had chavs throw bricks at my building, all because what the flat downstairs had done.
*Dear FBI, though we might share a similar pedicural philosophy, I do not share ETS's militancy. Personally I do dissagree with the present US administration, but I know that "two wrongs don't makea right".
Please don't squish me.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:50:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:40:12 (#)
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I told you 1000 times, you non-listening PIECE OF SHIT.
I'm not going to lie. To get money back like you're suggesting I'd have to LIE TO DO IT. However, I can take what money I STILL OWE the federal government on my income tax return, which equals $178, and give it to charity instead and it will be honest and still effective to illustrate my point.
WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Oh that's right, you understand it, you just like acting like an idiot on my posts in an effort to confuse the point and mislead others into believing your bullshit.
FUCK. OFF.
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Where did I say lie? I mentioned about a hundred reviews ago about the dependents, you said you wouldn't lie and I dropped it.
How many times since then did I say you didn't have to lie?
Fill out your 1040 and ask for a tax credt because you believe you shouldn't pay federal taxes. How is that a lie? Yeah you might not get your money back, but at least it would be an "act of defiance", not an act of being to laxy to follow through with the bullshit you preach.
What don't you get about that? How difficult is it to understand? Where is the lie?
I am not misleading others, I am pointing out your bullshit.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:42:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:40:12 (#)
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I told you 1000 times, you non-listening PIECE OF SHIT.
I'm not going to lie. To get money back like you're suggesting I'd have to LIE TO DO IT. However, I can take what money I STILL OWE the federal government on my income tax return, which equals $178, and give it to charity instead and it will be honest and still effective to illustrate my point.
WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Oh that's right, you understand it, you just like acting like an idiot on my posts in an effort to confuse the point and mislead others into believing your bullshit.
FUCK. OFF.
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Another testimony of ETS's benevolence.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:40:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:20:38 (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:03:13 (#)
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i'm still wondering how to get money back by filing a 1040. i already did my taxes this year and broke even but if i could get the last few years back or something i'd love to know which boxes to check.
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Well you probably won't get it back.
But a few years ago a bunch of people filled out their tax forms and put in for a tax credit for their "40 acres and a mule". Some of them got it, of course the IRS eventually came after them.
ETS believes he is entitled to the money he has paid in federal taxes, if he really believes this, and he really wants to perform an act of defiance he should include his beliefs on his tax forms and ask for his tax money back. Like I said no guarantee he would get it back, but it would be an act of defiance instead of an act of apathy or laziness.
Any way to get your tax money back would be illegal, and I wouldn't advise it, of course ETS is prepared for that (or at least he says it is) so I don't understand why he isn't trying.
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I told you 1000 times, you non-listening PIECE OF SHIT.
I'm not going to lie. To get money back like you're suggesting I'd have to LIE TO DO IT. However, I can take what money I STILL OWE the federal government on my income tax return, which equals $178, and give it to charity instead and it will be honest and still effective to illustrate my point.
WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Oh that's right, you understand it, you just like acting like an idiot on my posts in an effort to confuse the point and mislead others into believing your bullshit.
FUCK. OFF.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:38:52 EDT (#)
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Leave your dungeon and get some sun, ya fucking nutjob.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:32:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:15:34 (#)
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Leave economics alone man...what did it ever do to you? You're "plan" for getting out of the hole is painfully laughable.
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And you can't tell me why. What a surprise that is.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:29:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:19:52 (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:20:01 (#)
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you're not paying attention to what Caul is saying. he's not disregarding those points with which he agrees. he's disregarding the attitude with which they're displayed.
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And where is the attitude?--cause I don't see it.
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Yes, it must be because you are a victim. Having zero admittance is great sign of introspection.
Assuming that you are intellectually superior to everybody and claiming that you own the Truth and the solution for the world's problem and that you're a misunderstood genius are signs of humility.
So is ignoring 90% of arguments only to select those that you can refute in order to promote your idea.
Getting mad and borderline psychotic when someone invalidates your conspiracy theories within seconds is also a great display of maturity.
Calling everybody brainwashed and sheeps because they don't cling to your six years old simplistic view of the world shows how open-minded you are.
I could go on and on and on but it's a waste of time since "you don't see it".
Just make sure you NEVER ever reflect on your blatant attitude problem. This way you can keep living under the illusion that you're the embodiment of perfection. Completly devoid of flaws and exempt from criticism.
After all, that's what crazy people do. And it is kinda entertaining. :-)
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:20:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:03:13 (#)
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i'm still wondering how to get money back by filing a 1040. i already did my taxes this year and broke even but if i could get the last few years back or something i'd love to know which boxes to check.
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Well you probably won't get it back.
But a few years ago a bunch of people filled out their tax forms and put in for a tax credit for their "40 acres and a mule". Some of them got it, of course the IRS eventually came after them.
ETS believes he is entitled to the money he has paid in federal taxes, if he really believes this, and he really wants to perform an act of defiance he should include his beliefs on his tax forms and ask for his tax money back. Like I said no guarantee he would get it back, but it would be an act of defiance instead of an act of apathy or laziness.
Any way to get your tax money back would be illegal, and I wouldn't advise it, of course ETS is prepared for that (or at least he says it is) so I don't understand why he isn't trying.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:15:34 EDT (#)
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Leave economics alone man...what did it ever do to you? You're "plan" for getting out of the hole is painfully laughable.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:03:13 EDT (#)
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i'm still wondering how to get money back by filing a 1040. i already did my taxes this year and broke even but if i could get the last few years back or something i'd love to know which boxes to check.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:55:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:45:05 (#)
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so this is a serious comment and a serious question. in that picture, you really do look like you're plotting bombings from an abandoned missile silo left over from 1956 in south dakota or something. do you actually like that image?
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Of course he does. He like to project an image of being a defiant badass on the edge.
Although he doesn't have the balls or motivation to do any real acts of defiance. Like filling out a 1040 and asking for his money back because of the reasons he listed here. He is only defiant enough to not send in a check to the govt.
Just like he doesn't believe in his ideas of helping those less fortunate by joining the Peace corps.
Just like he won't believe in living off the grid once it comes down to it.
He is all talk, actually not even talk he is all posts and bad camwhores.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:52:01 EDT (#)
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How'd you know where I was! What do you know! Who sent you!?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:45:05 EDT (#)
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so this is a serious comment and a serious question. in that picture, you really do look like you're plotting bombings from an abandoned missile silo left over from 1956 in south dakota or something. do you actually like that image?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:27:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 05:43:17 (#)
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Oh my God, what a picture. Didn't read the whole post, I'm in enough trouble without none payment of taxes. Personally I feel that acknowledging the possibilities of conspiracies by keeping your head down and gathering wealth, power and a good woman; to be the best policy.
But what in the hell where you doing with that pic, that's just irresponsible. You are doing your side an injustice by looking like such a loony.
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I posted the pic on someone else's post to give them something to think about. Caul saw fit to bring it here for some reason. His obsession with me knows no bounds.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:22:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:16:26 (#)
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ya know he says he's a finger picker and that explains the obscenely long nails but that doesn't really fit. if he was using his nails to pick only one hand would have long nails, makes me wonder if he's right or left handed because if he's right handed that also means he's growing the wrong nails too long and playing chords properly would actually be harder not easier.
hey method how long can you live off that pic?
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I'm right handed. The only nail on my left hand that is long is my thumb nail. That has nothing to do with guitar and more to do with symmetry.
Plus, if I ever had to tear out a person's eyeballs, it would be much easier with a healthy set of thumbnails...I guess.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:19:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:20:01 (#)
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you're not paying attention to what Caul is saying. he's not disregarding those points with which he agrees. he's disregarding the attitude with which they're displayed.
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And where is the attitude?--cause I don't see it.
What the hell did I say on this one that was TOO MUCH for you people? As I recall, I was attacked over and over again pretty much from the get go.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:16:26 EDT (#)
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ya know he says he's a finger picker and that explains the obscenely long nails but that doesn't really fit. if he was using his nails to pick only one hand would have long nails, makes me wonder if he's right or left handed because if he's right handed that also means he's growing the wrong nails too long and playing chords properly would actually be harder not easier.
hey method how long can you live off that pic?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 07:15:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:48:29 (#)
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If I were too lazy to pay taxes I wouldn't have actually gone to Turbotax and filled out my entire return only to turn around, not file it, and give it to a reputable charity instead.
Why is it really that hard to believe that a man can still have conviction over something? Is the world really that far gone?
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How do you have conviction if you can't even say this to the Govt? How do you have conviction if you can't take the 15 minutes it takes to fill out a 1040 by hand and send in a letter explaining why you want all your federal tax back?
Once again the only reasonable conclusion I can draw is that you are full of shit and lack the balls to practice what you preach. If you believed what you wrote you wouldn't be happy with the fed keeping the lions share of your federal taxes. You wouldn't be afraid, or too lazy to send this statement to the IRS and ask for your money back.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 06:27:52 EDT (#)
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dont you DARE argue with him, his tactics are infallible!
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 06:15:35 EDT (#)
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Erm, don't know what to say really, surely there must be smarter ways to fight "the Man".
Personally I would have joined the Republican party, get on the dirt on the inside and shafted them properly. Should have started that at 16 - 18 years of age.
Actually that's not a bad idea ETs, change your name and infiltrate; come back with the facts.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 05:46:36 EDT (#)
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Hey Jimmo, you must have missed these gems then
http://nymethod.com/ets.html
http://www.nymethod.com/ets_live_video.html
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 05:43:17 EDT (#)
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Oh my God, what a picture. Didn't read the whole post, I'm in enough trouble without none payment of taxes. Personally I feel that acknowledging the possibilities of conspiracies by keeping your head down and gathering wealth, power and a good woman; to be the best policy.
But what in the hell where you doing with that pic, that's just irresponsible. You are doing your side an injustice by looking like such a loony.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 05:10:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
OH MAN am I ever gonna have fun with THAT picture
hoooooooooooooooly fuck
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-11 04:43:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 04:10:13 (#)
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"If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference."
Press conference? what fucking press conference? you think people who don't pay their taxes get given a press conference?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 04:10:13 EDT (#)
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"If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference."
Press conference? what fucking press conference? you think people who don't pay their taxes get given a press conference?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:35:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:20:01 (#)
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you're not paying attention to what Caul is saying. he's not disregarding those points with which he agrees. he's disregarding the attitude with which they're displayed.
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I know, but I like getting on my high horse. Apparently he's rubbing off on me, and not in an enjoyable, sticky way.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:20:01 EDT (#)
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you're not paying attention to what Caul is saying. he's not disregarding those points with which he agrees. he's disregarding the attitude with which they're displayed.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:04:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:26:21 (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:13 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
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Are you explain why or are you just gonna sit there and root for your boyfriend like a dumb cunt with pom-poms?
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Dude, you could have addressed that statement to anyone on uber and I would have said exactly the same - there's no need to assume that my criticism of you is a defence of him. The attitude you just displayed is, to my mind, pathetic. Put that statement in a vaccuum and I'd still feel the same.
And if I have to explain why you declaring that you feel compelled to disregard valid points that someone makes simply because you don't like them is pathetic, then you're nowhere near as intelligent as I thought you were.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:35:35 EDT (#)
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p.s. you are the next Roch Thériault...wildboy!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:32:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:11:24 (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:13 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
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No shit it is.
Hey Kathy, you wanna see what I'm talking about when I say that the military are fucking brainwashed?
Check this shit out: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86470
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hahaha...you two make a great pair! On a cyber mission for better or for worse!
See you tomorrow for yet another installment of ETS aberrations!
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:28:23 EDT (#)
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I'm surprised you haven't given up yet ETS, but good on you man.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:26:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:13 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
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Are you explain why or are you just gonna sit there and root for your boyfriend like a dumb cunt with pom-poms?
In case you misunderstood me, regardless of how right or wrong I think you are, I cannot stand people who try to cram down their beliefs down people's throat just because they convinced themselves they are geniuses. As I've said trillion times already, perhaps when Bradley here learns to get over himself, people will be ready to listen to his "prophecies". Until then, this portentous piece of shit can get bent.
That might be pathetic...OK. But may I add that your devotion to some Internet nobody with illusions of grandeur really leaves you no room to comment on what is or isn't pathetic.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:11:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:13 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
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No shit it is.
Hey Kathy, you wanna see what I'm talking about when I say that the military are fucking brainwashed?
Check this shit out: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86470
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 EDT (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 01:56:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 01:33:12 (#)
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Don't you ever consider that it's caustic, acrid comments like that that make me react the way I do to you people?
I extend an olive branch and you smack it away with your short-sighted bullshit.
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"Chat échaudé craint l'eau froide"
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 01:33:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:40:49 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:32:18 (#)
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Look, man, I understand that I might remind you of your fucking roommate whose ideas and manner you obviously hate, but can't you for an instant understand that I am not him? Can you not give me the benefit of the doubt?
This shit we're talking about here is too important to let such bullshit as our personal feelings toward one another stifle creative debate. That's all I'm asking for here - creative debate.
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I know you're not him. Otherwise you'd be writing blogs titled "I'm a Ferrari without gas" (<- I'm not kidding) and such. I just see similarities.
Creative debate? YOU want motherfucking creative debate?
There must have been a hundred people by now who pointed out your blatant attitude problem and just about the entire palette of mental issues.
If you can't see why by now, if you still think it's not your fault, you need to complete what you started in 1995 and pull that trigger.
The gene pool won't miss you.
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Don't you ever consider that it's caustic, acrid comments like that that make me react the way I do to you people?
I extend an olive branch and you smack it away with your short-sighted bullshit.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:44:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:37:27 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:31:14 (#)
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Then I suppose you won't mind that I, among others, informed the FBI on your various physical threats toward your state representative along with your name and adress.
After all, you're a man of convicton :-D
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Dude, do what you feel you gotta do. I really don't give a shit. I have an excellent case if it's taken to court simply because what I said, while vile and hateful, was in no way a death threat.
Besides, the man is a fucking Senator. Don't you think he can decide for himself whether he wants to inform on me to the FBI? Furthermore, I'm sure the FBI must be fully aware of me by now. If they're not, they're not doing a very fucking good job.
If I gave a FUCK about repercussions, I wouldn't have said what I said in the first place. That's just the kind of crazy son-of-a-bitch I am. I say, LET THEM COME.
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Or maybe the FBI realized by now that you're all talk, no action (as we have seen a number of times already)
Your temper tantrums must be filed under the "Pussies" folder at the NSA.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:40:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:32:18 (#)
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Look, man, I understand that I might remind you of your fucking roommate whose ideas and manner you obviously hate, but can't you for an instant understand that I am not him? Can you not give me the benefit of the doubt?
This shit we're talking about here is too important to let such bullshit as our personal feelings toward one another stifle creative debate. That's all I'm asking for here - creative debate.
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I know you're not him. Otherwise you'd be writing blogs titled "I'm a Ferrari without gas" (<- I'm not kidding) and such. I just see similarities.
Creative debate? YOU want motherfucking creative debate?
There must have been a hundred people by now who pointed out your blatant attitude problem and just about the entire palette of mental issues.
If you can't see why by now, if you still think it's not your fault, you need to complete what you started in 1995 and pull that trigger.
The gene pool won't miss you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:37:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:31:14 (#)
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Then I suppose you won't mind that I, among others, informed the FBI on your various physical threats toward your state representative along with your name and adress.
After all, you're a man of convicton :-D
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Dude, do what you feel you gotta do. I really don't give a shit. I have an excellent case if it's taken to court simply because what I said, while vile and hateful, was in no way a death threat.
Besides, the man is a fucking Senator. Don't you think he can decide for himself whether he wants to inform on me to the FBI? Furthermore, I'm sure the FBI must be fully aware of me by now. If they're not, they're not doing a very fucking good job.
If I gave a FUCK about repercussions, I wouldn't have said what I said in the first place. That's just the kind of crazy son-of-a-bitch I am. I say, LET THEM COME.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:32:18 EDT (#)
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Look, man, I understand that I might remind you of your fucking roommate whose ideas and manner you obviously hate, but can't you for an instant understand that I am not him? Can you not give me the benefit of the doubt?
This shit we're talking about here is too important to let such bullshit as our personal feelings toward one another stifle creative debate. That's all I'm asking for here - creative debate.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:31:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:24:33 (#)
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Caul, allow me to direct you to the response I left below:
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:45:13 (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:40:54 (#)
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You know what, ETS? I find it funny that you believe immigrants should be punished for breaking the law and coming here illegally when you're planning to break the law and do something illegal yourself on this very post.
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And I'm fully prepared to accept whatever consequences that entails. So should they.
Breaking the law and expecting punishment is one thing....
Breaking the law and expecting amnesty is a different thing altogether.
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Then I suppose you won't mind that I, among others, informed the FBI on your various physical threats toward your state representative along with your name and adress.
After all, you're a man of convicton :-D
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 EDT (#)
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Neither one of you, Jonny or Caul, bothered to consider fully what I said. That's because you, like Wardy are doomed and determined to write me off as nothing more than a quack...a charletan. You simply will not accept the idea that I might have a point. """
I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
In my view, you embody absolutely everything that I cannot stand in my generation. I explained why so many times already, I don't even know how to phrase it anymore.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:24:33 EDT (#)
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Caul, allow me to direct you to the response I left below:
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:45:13 (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:40:54 (#)
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You know what, ETS? I find it funny that you believe immigrants should be punished for breaking the law and coming here illegally when you're planning to break the law and do something illegal yourself on this very post.
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And I'm fully prepared to accept whatever consequences that entails. So should they.
Breaking the law and expecting punishment is one thing....
Breaking the law and expecting amnesty is a different thing altogether.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:17:11 EDT (#)
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ETS arguments against illegal immigrants (who are doing jobs no fat lazy american would never do anyway) is that they MUST enter the country the LEGAL way .
But then ETS will do illegal acts to oppose his government.
He'll even wish death upon his representatives!
ETS is a walking contradiction. It must be his misunderstood genius.
Or a hypocritical douchebag...take your pick.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:16:28 EDT (#)
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2) Any company that decides to relocate outside the country as a result of this tariff will have a harder time reaching the American market. If, for instance, a company such as Microsoft decided they wanted to jump ship to Europe (which, by the way, wouldn't happen because they employ mostly Americans in their business ventures) because of the tariffs, they would have a harder time selling their products back on the American market, and it would open the door for other companies such as Linux to close the market gap.
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I wanted to go ahead and say upfront, Europe was a bad example. I meant to say China or some such country. The labor laws in Europe are pretty much on par with those here in the U.S., so relocating there would't pose much of a strategic advantage to a U.S.-based company.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:11:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:53:06 (#)
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We can't afford ILLEGAL Immigration. ILLEGAL Immigrants don't pay taxes, and suck of the taxpayer's teet, while they take most of their money that they earn back to...ahem...Mexico. Why do you think that Vincente Fox isn't doing anything about it?
I'm all for Immigration, the legal kind. Like my Great Grandparents did in the late 19th cent. Their name is on a plaque at ellis Island. They did it the legal way, the right way.
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I agree 100%.
See below.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:10:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:11:18 (#)
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Someone else will be glad to take their place.
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actually, no, there won't be anybody. All that wealth will go with them - I'm sure you'd love to see that, America reduced to an agrarian, pre-industrial society.
Which is what's gonna happen when those nukes go off in NYC, DC, LA, SF, ATL, ChiTown, etc, etc.
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You're not thinking this through. Here's what happens in a nutshell...
1) Impose tariffs on foreign goods from places where wages are next to nothing (China, Indonesia, India, etc...) until such time as they change their policies to raise worker wages through labor reform.
2) Any company that decides to relocate outside the country as a result of this tariff will have a harder time reaching the American market. If, for instance, a company such as Microsoft decided they wanted to jump ship to Europe (which, by the way, wouldn't happen because they employ mostly Americans in their business ventures) because of the tariffs, they would have a harder time selling their products back on the American market, and it would open the door for other com